CEPT: I don't want to get fired... {{:'-(
Beth Jackson
-----------------
{{:''-(
<sniffle>
**Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
few days
-- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
<sniffle>
--Because (after we'd closed the dining-room for the night, at the
Wendy's where I work) unawares, I caused some of my newer younger
co-workers to feel very threatened by my horrid verbal temper, and the
language I was beginning to use to vent off Frustration-&-Anger steam.
(It was one of Those Nights-- where I fet **really** overwhelmed, and we
had ((imo)) way too few people on-clock to handle -- suddenly -- **way**
too many ustomers! *And* we had a new little girl on-crew who was really
seemng ((again IMO)) really clueless... and I felt *very*
overwhelmed..!)-'':}}
I forgot that some of them haven't known me long enough to know it was
just talk -- especially when (only to let off extra steam) I growled
that "I was beginning to feel homicidal".
Longer-time co-workers who've known me for awhile there seem to realize
it's prob'ly Only Beth Letting Off Reall Nasty Steam, and that's all...
but I'd forgotten that newer ears were around-- gulp-- too,
..especially my new co-manager.
{{:'-(
He said if it had been a guy, he wouldn't even have bothered to admonish
me-- he'd simply have called 911 for someone to come pick me up for
psychological evaluation, and that I would have been dismissed.
(*Sighhh*)
It's not the first time I've sounded-off like that...in fact some other
managers of mine have spouted rather similar things every once in awhile
when *they've* been steamed.
This time, though <gulp> some *drive-thru* customers heard me... and
*they called* our 800-number to complain.
{{:''-(
<gulp/sniff>
As I told my new co-manager, I never woulda said what I'd said if I'd
thought customers outside could hear me... I hadn't realized the
drive-thru windows were open at the time.
{{:''-(
<gulp>
He wrote it *all* down, *including* his requisite that I *not* come back
to work until I've gone back to my ADHD-treatment doctor and have gotten
a note from them saying that I'm ok to work in this environment, and
that I'm safe to work around.
And even with *that*, (if it does go thru ok) I am stll now on a
conditional thing... he said if it does go thru, and I'm allowed to come
back, that if he *ever* hears one more thing like that, that I *am*
fired.
<sniffle....!!>
{{:'''-(
I *really* don't want to get fired -- right now this job is the main
thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
***Please*** help me...!!
<convulses in sobs, and puts head down on table, with arms>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The Canvas Canary"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I love to paint,
I like to sing,
I have blonde hair, and
I am a little bit flighty:)
(Visit my website to see my art & me;)
Joyce of Pendle
> **Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at
> least the next few days
> -- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight,
> without pay.
> <sniffle>
Oh golly :((
Good Thoughts for stable employment and a safe way of
releasing steam!
Joyce of Pendle.
--
"The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
Harry Andruschak
>From: Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson)
>Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
>**Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
>few days
>-- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
><sniffle>
Best wishes from your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist
>And even with *that*, (if it does go thru ok) I am stll now on a
>conditional thing... he said if it does go thru, and I'm allowed to come
>back, that if he *ever* hears one more thing like that, that I *am*
>fired.
>I *really* don't want to get fired -- right now this job is the main
>thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
Sigh...had you been working for the Post Office (as I do) you would already
have been fired. In the wake of all that publicity about shootings, and the
endless bad jokes about "disgruntled postal workers", the USPS has put in place
a "zero tolerance for violence" policy. I've already seen it in action at my
facility.
( In a way, I may be fortunate that my orchiectomy has reduced my stress and
aggresion levels. I am much calmer at work than I used to be.)
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Beth Jackson
Canary:
>>**Please**
>> Pray
>> / Good-thought
>> / Whatever
>> for me for at least
>> the next few days
>> -- I got suspended for about a week
>> from work tonight,
>> without pay.
>>
>><sniffle>
Joyce of Pendle:
>Oh golly
>:((
>
>Good Thoughts for stable employment
>and a safe way of releasing steam!
Thanks, Joyce;
I really need it
-- well, both, it seems.
{:''-(
I'm really worried about this.
Very scared too.
<sniff>
{{:'-\
Beth Jackson
>Best wishes from your
>Friendly Neighborhood Atheist
<sniff>
{{:'-) Thanks.
I appreciate that.
JBONETATI
<<
**Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
few days >>
Done and continuing. I'm so very sorry that this is happening!
It's getting pretty sad when people in the service industries can't 'vent' to
their own co-workers especially since there was a co-manager there who should
have been trying to help and keep tension down.. That used to be the one thing
that could keep them going. They felt threatened? Unless you were waving a
chili ladle around like a weapon, that's silly (okay, it's silly anyway).
Yes, it's a shame that the drive-thru customers heard it and that was a
mistake. Naturally the manager had to take some action if the customers called
the 800 number because those complaints have to be answered immediately and
documented.
I've found my car to be my refuge when overwhelming emotions grab me. I can
yell, scream, cry and (in an isolated area) pound the steering wheel and horn
until whatever it is is out of my system.
Petitions away and {{{hugs}}} offered.
Jan
den...@nolunch.zipcon.net
Jackson) held forth, saying:
>***Please*** help me...!!
>
><convulses in sobs, and puts head down on table, with arms>
Awww. I have only hugs to offer--but the stock is fresh today. And I
send Good Thoughts too.
--
-denny-
curmudgeonly editor
Money talks. Chocolate sings. Beautifully.
--"The Rules of Chocolate"
j.w.
Beth Jackson wrote:
>
> **Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
> few days
> -- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
> <sniffle>
GoodThoughts on the way.
j.w.
--
If I _did_ kill someone, it would probably be anyone who ever said to
me, "You could be so pretty if you'd just lose a few pounds."
Patricia J. Washburn
SCA Wench
> I *really* don't want to get fired -- right now this job is the main
> thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
>
> ***Please*** help me...!!
>
> <convulses in sobs, and puts head down on table, with arms>
{{{{{((((({{{{{[[[[[{{{{{Canary}}}}}]]]]]}}}}})))))}}}}}
Oh honey, btdt. I can't imagine there's anyone here who hasn't managed to
jam their foot in their mouth right up to the knee at least once in their
lives (yours truly DEFFINETLY included). Goodthoughts going out that this
mess gets resolved quickly and you can get back to normal soon. In the
meantime there's plenty more hugs if you need them.
--
Lady Brigid
I know all the important people
for all the wrong reasons.
John Waters
D. Potter
>I *really* don't want to get fired -- right now this job is the main
>thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
>
>***Please*** help me...!!
>
><convulses in sobs, and puts head down on table, with arms>
GoodThoughts on their way Fed Ex... actually, Fed Ex isn't fast enough. At the
speed of thought. And a {hug}.
--
D. Potter
"Quit worrying about the chimera and pay attention to the damn bear!"
--Randolph Fritz, in rasff
LePheaux
Beth Jackson wrote in message
<3730-3B...@storefull-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
I forgot that some of them haven't known me long enough to know it was
just talk -- especially when (only to let off extra steam) I growled
that "I was beginning to feel homicidal".
<<>>
easy Beth dear,
in the construction field this would be just one way to start or finish a
day.
healthy like that iz.
<<<>>>
He said if it had been a guy, he wouldn't even have bothered to admonish
me-- he'd simply have called 911 for someone to come pick me up for
psychological evaluation, and that I would have been dismissed.
<<<>>
could say discrimination against guys, or hey, he just gave ya an even
break.
<<<<>>>
He wrote it *all* down, *including* his requisite that I *not* come back
to work until I've gone back to my ADHD-treatment doctor and have gotten
a note from them saying that I'm ok to work in this environment, and
that I'm safe to work around.
<<>>
shoulda told him that's what yer supposed to do,\<let of some steam />
<<<>>
I *really* don't want to get fired -- right now this job is the main
thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
<<>>
You'll be alright.
ifin ya loose the wendys job, there's another dozen just like it around the
corner.
member don't sweat the petty things.
pet the sweaty things <G>
P&E
Jette Goldie
Canary wrote
> Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
>
Aw, hell, you're HUMAN. Sometimes you need to swear to
let off steam. Tis natural. That's what swearing is for -
around here (Scotland) we'd just have said "don't you
bl**dy swear at me, hen!"
Good thoughts, hinnie.
--
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
je...@blueyonder.co.uk
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
Miche
Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) wrote:
> I *really* don't want to get fired -- right now this job is the main
> thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
>
> ***Please*** help me...!!
>
> <convulses in sobs, and puts head down on table, with arms>
Miche wraps a soft, warm blanket round Beth. "I'll do what I can, dear."
Miche
--
"... in the physics of the heart, distance is relative;
it is time that is absolute."
- Lois McMaster Bujold, _Shards of Honor_
Dan Goodman
----------
Dan Goodman
dsg...@visi.com
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
ARCmage
> thing I have keepin' my head above water as it is.
>
> ***Please*** help me...!!
>
> <convulses in sobs, and puts head down on table, with arms>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "The Canvas Canary"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Considering how fast food places usually work, being suspended is a good
sign. If they were going to fire you they would have done so already.
Never-the-less, the ARCmage will keep you in his thoughts and offers a hug
or two.
Sin(the ARCmage)^-1
Kay Coram
>Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
>{{:''-(
>
><sniffle>
>
>**Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
>few days
>-- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
><sniffle>
>
>--Because (after we'd closed the dining-room for the night, at the
>Wendy's where I work) unawares, I caused some of my newer younger
>co-workers to feel very threatened by my horrid verbal temper, and the
>language I was beginning to use to vent off Frustration-&-Anger steam.
>
>(It was one of Those Nights-- where I fet **really** overwhelmed, and we
>had ((imo)) way too few people on-clock to handle -- suddenly -- **way**
>too many ustomers! *And* we had a new little girl on-crew who was really
>seemng ((again IMO)) really clueless... and I felt *very*
>overwhelmed..!)-'':}}
>
>I forgot that some of them haven't known me long enough to know it was
>just talk -- especially when (only to let off extra steam) I growled
>that "I was beginning to feel homicidal".
>
<snip>
This may sound weird, but do you know ANY foreign languages? Do any of
your cow-orkers speak any foreign languages? I am a firm believer in
Mark Twain's famous quote: "When angry, count to ten. When very
angry--SWEAR." Only--I swear in languages OTHER THAN English. No one
has a clue as to what I'm saying. They may suspect, but they don't
KNOW. I get to relieve my frustration. I can call them names. I can
threaten to do many things to them, but they don't KNOW. Don't know
any foreign languages? Make one up! The only thing it sounds like you
may need to watch though, is how angrily you behave (yelling,
gesturing and the like). Even if you're speaking a foreign language
and the body language indicates physical aggressiveness (or perceived
aggressiveness), you may still get fired because of the incident that
just occurred.
"Speaking in tongues" also comes in extremely handy for those
occasional late-night calls from obscene phone callers. Everyone who
is family or friends know that I don't answer late-night phone calls
in English. This is SO-O-O-O frustrating to those assholes... <BEG!>
They're going on and on and I just try to sound apologetic and
confused--in a foreign language. THEY get frustrated because they're
getting NOTHING from me--no (intelligible) words, no emotional
reaction, nothing. THEY are the ones who hang up on me. THEY never
call back either. **I** on the other hand, am laughing myself silly as
I toddle back to bed....!!
FWIW, ShyBat (a BIG hug to you....)
denaldo
>
> Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
>
> -----------------
>
> {{:''-(
>
> <sniffle>
>
> **Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
> few days
> -- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
> <sniffle>
<snip>
Goodthoughts for the canary.
--
Denaldo aka Dennis M. Dillow den...@ev1.net
http://users2.ev1.net/~dennisdillow/
J gave the huffle of a snail in danger, but nobody heard him at all.
Jai Rose
Jai
Beth Jackson
>>**Please**
>>Pray
>>/ Good-thought
>>/ Whatever
>>for me for at least the next few days
JBONETATI:
>Done and continuing.
>I'm so very sorry that this is happening!
<sniffle>
Thank you.
So am I... {{:'-\
..It's not the first time I've vented like that
either -- we-el-l-ll, maybe I haven't verbalized all that violently
before, all at one time. {{:'-)
But I *have done so* before-- and the *General* Manager (who was the
Co-Manager but got promoted recently) has seen me do that (albeit on a
somewhat smaller scale, I admit) and has in fact occasionally hollered a
bit herself.
And when I apologized for that, at that time, she just sorta reluctantly
shrugged and said that she knew I was just blowin' off steam. {{:'-)
And yet even tho' I wound up not so sure wheher she likes me all that
much anymore lately, and/or other stuff, --I *know**she's* not crazy..
there's just been an *awful* lot of stuff happening in her personal life
right now that's *really* stressful, and I can understand *how and why*
she feels/acts like that sometimes.
(Heck, in fact I'm impressed and appreciative of how much she *is*
keeping herself together, considering all that. --Keep her in your
thoughts, maybe, while you're at it? {:'-) --She's really pretty nice.
Mostly, very good to work for/with:)
>It's getting pretty sad
>when people in the service industries
>can't 'vent' to their own co-workers
Yep.
And I'm not even the only one who's done so
--several of the *day*-crew have occasionally *in conversational tones*
been talking about some "mother-f****er" or other...
when *customers were out in the dining-room*, fercryinoutloud...
{{:-\
>especially since there was
>a co-manager there
>who should have been trying to help
>and keep tension down..
{{:-\
<gulp>
He was. And he did.
(At least he apparently thought he did...)-':}
He said the minute I said the word "homicidal", he figured he'd better
get me outa there-- in fact, he was about to right out and fire me right
then and there.
(After calling 911, or so he said...{{:'-(
>That used to be the one thing
>that could keep them going.
>They felt threatened?
We-ell-l-l, I *am* 5'8". And heavy. And even when I'm the right weight,
I've always been pretty strong, physically-muscles-wise (sorta runs in
the family:)
And the new kids-- especiall the young girl-- are rather lighter of
build than I, in general.
(Heck, she's tiny. And slender.)
I guess in their place I'd have felt threatened, too.
<sighhhhh>
>Unless you were waving a chili ladle
>around like a weapon,
:-D
Hee-hee-hee!
>that's silly
>(okay,
>it's silly anyway).
:-) Yup. In fact, I'm still grinning.
(Boy, what about a mental picture..! Hee-hee!)
--Btw, thanks for the laugh; I needed it!
{{;'-D
>Yes,
>it's a shame that
>the drive-thru customers heard it
>and that was a mistake.
Yep. {{:-(
<gulp>
>Naturally the manager
>had to take some action
>if the customers called the 800 number
>because those complaints
>have to be answered immediately
>and documented.
Well, yeah... {{:'-(
>I've found my car to be my refuge
>when overwhelming emotions grab me.
<wry grin>
I wish I *could* have done so. But I wasn't there at the time. And I
couldn't *take* the time out to go out *to* my car and do that...
{{:'-(
<sighh>
>I can yell,
>scream,
>cry and
>(in an isolated area)
;-) Yep...
(BTDT, IIRC...:)
>pound the steering wheel and horn
>until whatever it is is out of my system.
>
>Petitions away and
>{{{hugs}}}
>offered.
>
>Jan
<sniffle> {{:'-)
Thank you again, and {{{hugs}}} right back at cha!
(By the way, your *name* makes me feel better-- my really neat cousin's
name is the same, too. :'-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The Canvas Canary"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Jackson
>on 8/11/01
>1:02 AM:
>>I *really* don't want to get fired
>>-- right now this job is
>>the main thing I have
>>keepin' my head above water as it is.
>>
>>***Please***
>>help me
>>...!!
>>
>><convulses in sobs,
>> and puts head down on table,
>> with arms>
SCA Wench:
>{{{{{((((({{{{{[[[[[{{{{{Canary}}}}}]]]]]}}}}}
<sniffle>
Thanks... {{:'-}
>Oh honey,
>btdt.
>I can't imagine there's anyone here
>who hasn't managed to jam their foot
>in their mouth right up to the knee
<wry grin>
Cool mental picture, that... :->
>at least once in their lives
>(yours truly DEFFINETLY included).
<sniffle>
Thanks... {{:'-)
>Goodthoughts going out
>>that this mess gets resolved quickly
>>and you can get back to normal soon.
<sniffle>
..And, hopefully, without losing my job unless/until *I* decide to do
so.. {{:'-)
>In the meantime
>there's plenty more hugs
>if you need them.
<sniffle>
{{:'-}
Thank you again... I may just decide to take you up on that (besides
others here who've said/offered more-or-less the same thing...{:'-)
<gulp>
>--
>Lady Brigid
>
>I know all the important people
>for all the wrong reasons.
>John Waters
Love your sig, btw... ;->
Beth Jackson
>>>I *really* don't want to get fired
>>>-- right now this job is
>>>the main thing I have
>>>keepin' my head above water as it is.
>>>
>>>***Please***
>>>help me...!!
>>>
>>><convulses in sobs,
>>> and puts head down on table,
>>> with arms>
D. Potter:
>>GoodThoughts on their way
>>Fed Ex
>>... actually,
>>Fed Ex isn't fast enough.
<tearful grin>
>>At the speed of thought.
>>And a {hug}.
Dan Goodman:
>Good thoughts from me on the way!
<happily gratefully accepts both>
{{{{D.Potter}}}}
{{:'-)
Thank you; thank you *both*.
<sniff>
{{:'-}
Werehatrack
>On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:02:07 -0400 (EDT), Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth
>Jackson) wrote:
>
>>Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
>
>>{{:''-(
>>
>><sniffle>
>>
>>**Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
>>few days
>>-- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
>><sniffle>
>>
>>--Because (after we'd closed the dining-room for the night, at the
>>Wendy's where I work) unawares, I caused some of my newer younger
>>co-workers to feel very threatened by my horrid verbal temper, and the
>>language I was beginning to use to vent off Frustration-&-Anger steam.
><snip>
>
>This may sound weird, but do you know ANY foreign languages? Do any of
>your cow-orkers speak any foreign languages? I am a firm believer in
>Mark Twain's famous quote: "When angry, count to ten. When very
>angry--SWEAR." Only--I swear in languages OTHER THAN English. No one
>has a clue as to what I'm saying.
<snip>
I've used this tactic for *years*, as well as another one; one of my
long-time favorite expressions is "Breed 'em if they've got no sense
of humor." It also works to swear in British instead of American.
FWIW, IMHO, in the interim there's no finer use for the downtime than
scouting the prospects to trade up. One of my ex-cow-orkers took the
opportunity to do just that when his boss decided that he didn't need
a full staff on hand during a traditionally slow period, and was
*shocked* to discover that his superfluous staffer had found a
position at fully 20% more pay as a result. It's perfectly reasonable
to be looking; your present employer runs understaffed habitually.
(Of course, running understaffed is endemic to the fast food service
industry, but one needn't restrict oneself to that field...)
Spamblocked address; remove snowfromdriveway if replying.
Beth Jackson
>><snip of my stuff>
>>
>><convulses in sobs,
>> and puts head down on table,
>> with arms>
The ARCmage:
>Considering how fast food places usually work,
>being suspended is a good sign.
Well, maybe... {{;'-)
...I wouldn't know
.. I've never been suspended from there before..
(and I've been working for Wendy's, mostly, since 1994...
:'(
>If they were going to fire you
>they would have done so already.
He said he almost did. :'(
>Never-the-less,
>the ARCmage will keep you in his thoughts
>and offers a hug or two.
>
>Sin(the ARCmage)^-1
{{:'-) <sniffle>
Why, thank you...
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ARCmage!:')}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Beth Jackson
>><snip of my stuff>
>>***Please***
>> help me
>> ...!!
>>
>><convulses in sobs,
>> and puts head down on table,
>> with arms>
Miche:
>Miche wraps a soft,
>warm blanket round Beth.
>"I'll do what I can,
> dear."
<burrows gratefully,
even further into the blanket,
snuffling against its softness>
Thanks, Miche...{{:'-)
<sniffles some more,
and wonders if it's ok to ask for a hug,
before she goes back to her RL home,
and hits the sack for the night>
(Gee, everybody's been so nice...
maybe I am beginning to feel better
... {:'-)
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 02:02 AM, Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) said:
>And even with *that*, (if it does go thru ok) I am stll now on a
>conditional thing... he said if it does go thru, and I'm allowed to
>come back, that if he *ever* hears one more thing like that, that I
>*am* fired.
I'd advise talking to a lawyer. If you have an uncontrollable medical
condition that doesn't affect the performance of your job, he may have
violated the ADA.
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wrote:
><sniffles some more,
> and wonders if it's ok to ask for a hug,
> before she goes back to her RL home,
> and hits the sack for the night>
John the Wysard, seeing this the next afternoon, says quietly "Hugs
available anytime they're needed, sweet one..."
John the Wysard jvinson *at* WysardOfInfo *dot* com
Gregory Baker
"Beth Jackson" <Canvas...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3730-3B...@storefull-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
>
>
> {{:''-(
>
> <sniffle>
>
> **Please** Pray / Good-thought / Whatever for me for at least the next
> few days
> -- I got suspended for about a week from work tonight, without pay.
> <sniffle>
>
> --Because (after we'd closed the dining-room for the night, at the
> Wendy's where I work) unawares, I caused some of my newer younger
> co-workers to feel very threatened by my horrid verbal temper, and the
> language I was beginning to use to vent off Frustration-&-Anger steam.
The Fat Man nods grimly. "I've been in that situation more than once or
twice, Beth. You are certainly in my prayers.
"If you are in the DC area, maybe I can help you find a better job."
Greg Baker
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SCA Wench
> <sniffles some more,
> and wonders if it's ok to ask for a hug,
> before she goes back to her RL home,
> and hits the sack for the night>
Of course you can!
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Pegasus
the form of a woman. She hesitates and then continues her trek to
Canary's side. In one hand, she holds a large box of Kleenex. A cup of
steaming liquid is held in the other. A long leash dangles over one
arm.
"If I may be so bold...?" she asks quietly. "The problem with keeping
your temper on a leash is that sometimes it slips its collar and has a
romp in the back alleys." She sighs. "I suppose I'd do better if I put
mine on a shorter leash some days." The cup, the box of Kleenex and
the leash are put on the table. "You're welcome to have these, Canary.
The leash is a spare, I've got shares in Kimberly-Clark so I get
tissues by the box, and there's nothing wrong in the world that can't
be fixed with a hot drink. I just wish I could do more."
All the best of fortunes to you, kiddo.
Peg
> Canary comes in, seemingly in-shock and somewhat subdued...
> -----------------
Beth Jackson
>><snip of my stuff>
>>
>>I caused some of my newer
>>younger co-workers
>>to feel very threatened
>>by my horrid verbal temper,
>>and the language I was beginning to use
>>to vent off Frustration-&-Anger steam.
Greg Baker:
>The Fat Man nods grimly.
>"I've been in that situation
> more than once or twice,
> Beth.
> You are certainly in my prayers.
{{:'-)
Thank you...
>"If you are in the DC area,
> maybe I can help you find a better job."
>
>Greg Baker
<wry half-grin>
Thank you again, Greg
-- but I'm in more-or-less mid-state
North Carolina:)
I may take you up on that, though, if I ever decide to move out that way:)
Beth Jackson
>>><sniffles some more,
>>and wonders if it's ok to ask for a hug,
>>before she goes back to her RL home,
>>and hits the sack for the night>
John the Wysard:
>John the Wysard,
>seeing this the next afternoon,
>says quietly
>"Hugs available
> anytime they're needed,
> sweet one
> ..."
>
>
>John the Wysard
>jvinson *at* WysardOfInfo *dot* com
<gratefully runs into offered hug>
<squashes her head into Wysard's shoulder>
Wahhhhhhh-h-h-h-h!! {{|'-O
<apologetically snuffles> {{:'-\
S-sorry about that, John...
but thanks. {{:'-}
(That "sweet one" bit sorta "started" me again... sorry if I got your
shirt soaked...{{;'->)
--Canary
(I think I'll go home and
to RL bed again,
an' grab some sleep
before going out later this a.m.
--to see if I can get
the requisite doctor's note about
coming back to work...{{:'-)
Beth Jackson
>>And even with *that*,
>>(if it does go thru ok)
>>I am still now
>>on a conditional thing
>>... he said if it does go thru,
>>and I'm allowed to come back,
>>that if he *ever* hears
>>one more thing like that,
>>that I *am* fired.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz:
>I'd advise talking to a lawyer.
>If you have an uncontrollable
>medical condition that
>doesn't affect the performance
>of your job,
>he may have violated the ADA.
>
>----------
>
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
>SysProg and JOAT
Thanks; but I'm afraid (?:) my medical condition isn't
uncontrollable-- it's just severe ADHD, and I usually have it under
control with Ritalin and Zoloft.
This was just One Of Those Nights,mostly... and unfortunately (?) I
think he was mostly pretty much *within* his rights for what he did--
after all, he *doesn't* know me so well as my General Manager and some
of my longer-time co-workers do, and he prob'ly *did* feel required to
take that drastic (?) command of that situation.
I mean, with all the "horror at the office & school" stories nowadays,
he mighta been very well nuts *not* to do what he did...
<sighhh> {{:-\
It's mostly, I guess, just that The Shoe Was On The Other Foot, this
time, so to speak, *and* so relatively nexpectedly...{:'-(
Beth Jackson
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:15:14 GMT, ka...@erinet.com (Kay Coram) wrote:
Canary:
>>>I caused some of my newer younger
>>>co-workers to feel very threatened
>>>by my horrid verbal temper,
>>>and the language I was beginning to use
>>>to vent off
>>>Frustration-&-Anger steam.
>>><snip>
Kay Coram:
>>This may sound weird,
It doesn't:)
>>but do you know ANY foreign languages?
<wry grin>
Yep.
A little bit of Italian,
an even littler bit of German,
and a smattering of Spanish:)
(I am a former military-brat, after all:)
But not nearly enough to swear in 'em.
About all I know for more-or-less sure is "Merde!" (French for
"shit!", I've been told:), "scheizkopf!"(sp?) (German for
"shithead!") and "dumkopf!" (same lang. for "dumbhead!":).
Most of the rest of the stuff I know is either politeness-stuff, or
else at least more-or-less neutral stuff.
>>Do any of your cow-orkers speak
>>any foreign languages?
Several of my co-workers are Mexican, and speak mostly Spanish.
(Actually, that's where I've learned most of my little bit of
Spanish:)
>>I am a firm believer in
>>Mark Twain's famous quote:
>>
>>"When angry,
>> count to ten.
>> When very angry
>> --SWEAR."
:) I've read that one, too.
>>Only
>>--I swear in languages OTHER THAN English.
>>No one has a clue as to what I'm saying.
>><snip>
Werehatrack:
><snip>
>FWIW,
>IMHO,
>in the interim there's no finer use
>for the downtime than
>scouting the prospects to trade up.
>One of my ex-cow-orkers took
>the opportunity to do just that
>when his boss decided
>that he didn't need a full staff
>on hand during a traditionally slow period,
>and was *shocked* to discover that
>his superfluous staffer had found
>a position at fully 20% more pay as a result.
>
><snip>
<eg>
That's a thought.
<wry smile>
Unfortunately, I'm *too* poor right now, I think, to be able to afford
that option easily.
"A bird [more-or-less:)] in the hand is worth two in the bush" , etc.
{:)
--Canary
(thinking about it even so..
it's one option that *does* make her feel better:)
Beth Jackson
>>I forgot that some of them
>>haven't known me long enough
>>to know it was just talk
>>-- especially when
>>(only to let off extra steam)
>>I growled that
>>"I was beginning to feel homicidal".
LePheaux:
>easy Beth dear,
<sniff>
Thanks.. {{:'-)
>in the construction field
>this would be just one way
>to start or finish a day.
>
>healthy like
>that iz.
<wry smile>
Well, yeah, perhaps...
But not at a restaurant.
--Not even a fast-food one.
>>He said if it had been a guy,
>>he wouldn't even have bothered
>>to admonish me
>>-- he'd simply have called 911
>>for someone to come pick me up
>>for psychological evaluation,
>>and that I would have been dismissed.
>could say discrimination against guys,
>or hey,
>he just gave ya an even break.
<wry smile>
I'm a trifle inclined to believe *both* -- 'cause he *did* say the
gist of, "..but this is Beth", and not "...but this is a woman."
>>He wrote it *all* down,
>>*including* his requisite
>>that I *not* come back to work
>>until I've gone back to
>>my ADHD-treatment doctor
>>and have gotten
>>a note from them saying
>>that I'm ok to work in this environment,
>>and
>>that I'm safe to work around.
>shoulda told him
>that's what yer supposed to do,
>\<let of some steam/>
<wry smile>
As above, ^
Not if |
I wanna |
keep my job,
though...
you *do* have to
respect your superiors at work (IMO)
-- even if it *is* only their
job-title you're respecting.
(Much easier to get along at work, TTBOMK:)
>>I *really* don't want to get fired
>>-- right now this job is
>>the main thing I have
>>keepin' my head above water as it is.
>You'll be alright.
>
>ifin ya loose the wendys job,
>there's another dozen just like it
>around the corner.
<gulp>
Yeah... unless they find out *the reason* for my firing...{{:-(
>member don't sweat the petty things.
>pet the sweaty things
><G>
<twinkle/blush>
Errrrrmnnn
....
I'd rather not the latter,
just the same,
thankyouverymuch
...
{;>
<sniff/wry smile>
Yeah... tho' in my book, losin' a job isn't exactly a "petty thing".
Thanks for the reminder, though.
{:'-)
John Vinson
wrote:
>S-sorry about that, John...
>but thanks. {{:'-}
Prescription:
One WysardHug. Apply as needed. Unlimited refills available...
Beth Jackson
>A shadow detaches itself
>from the wall of the bar,
>solidifying into the form of a woman.
>She hesitates and then
>continues her trek to Canary's side.
<looks up in surprise>
Well, howdy. {:'-)
>In one hand,
>she holds a large box of Kleenex.
>A cup of steaming liquid is held in the other.
Oo, nice...:)
>A long leash
>dangles over one arm.
?? {{:-\ <gulp>
>"If I may be so bold...?"
>she asks quietly.
>"The problem with keeping your temper
> on a leash is that sometimes
> it slips its collar
> and has a romp in the back alleys."
<suddely understands>
<bursts out in delightedly appreciative
soft laughter>
>She sighs.
>"I suppose I'd do better if
>I put mine on a shorter leash some days."
I understand. *Believe* me, I know.
<wry smile>
>The cup,
>the box of Kleenex
>and the leash are put on the table.
>"You're welcome to have these,
> Canary.
Aww... <sniff> Thank you...!
(And what a delightful idea...!{;)
>The leash is a spare,
<g>
Well. Um, of course:) That makes sense. ;)
>I've got shares in Kimberly-Clark
>so I get tissues by the box,
<g>
(Gee, I just go to the store for mine...;)
>and there's nothing wrong in the world
>that can't be fixed with a hot drink.
Yup.
Or, at least, *helped* with...
<sniff>
*Thank* you...
>I just wish I could do more."
Aww... {:'-)
>All the best of fortunes to you,
>kiddo.
>
>Peg
<starts a bit>
Hm--! Y'know, when Daddy *was* in a "supportingly fatherly mood",
(&iow a "comfortingly-gentle" mood:) *he* used-ta call me that...!
{{:'-)
<gratefully accepts Kleenex box, cup, and TemperLeash:) and hangs
'Leash over back of chair temporarily>
*Thank* you, Peg. :'-)
<wipes eyes and blows nose softly w/ Kleenex>
<looks again at 'Leash>
I may well *need* this, at least for awhile, if/when I can go back to
work.
<wry smile>
<sips drink>
<lets out long sigh of relaxing semi-relief>
...And *this* is good,too; thank you also for this.
I appreciate the thought.
:')
<sighs, and goes back to sipping steaming drink>
Matthew Russotto
Werehatrack <ra...@argoSnowFromDrivewaylink.net> wrote:
>
>I've used this tactic for *years*, as well as another one; one of my
>long-time favorite expressions is "Breed 'em if they've got no sense
>of humor."
Is that how they got high school vice principals?
--
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Pegasus
...Peg leans back in her chair, watching and debating with herself...
Actually, you've done me a favour. Several, in fact. You've made me
feel welcome, you've made me feel useful, and you've made me smile. I
wasn't sure what to expect when I got here.
<sigh> I'm a mental midget when it comes to the Internet, I'm afraid,
so I'm never really sure if I'm "violating" protocol or not. And, to
be honest, I tend to use the expression "kiddo" quite a bit in RL.
Some people take exception to that particular word, as I've
discovered. <rueful grin> I guess I've just had the wrong kind of
training and met with the worst kinds of people. They use "kiddo"
affectionately and "boyo" when they're exasperated. And when they're
really upset, you just get "The Look". *hg*
For what it's worth, though, I *did* get fired when something similar
happened to me. <shrug> It's water under the bridge now, but I can
remember how I felt. The hardest part, I think, is learning not to
hate yourself for coming unglued. I'm still trying to learn that.
Come to think of it, I've got something for you. I think I remember
where I put them. Give me a couple of days and I'll have a URL for you
to visit - if you're interested, that is. ;)
Peg
Joyce of Pendle
> Actually, you've done me a favour. Several, in fact.
> You've made me feel welcome, you've made me feel useful,
> and you've made me smile. I wasn't sure what to expect
> when I got here.
Hello and welcome! Perhaps you'd like a BOYC (beverage of
your choice)? There's a coin on the bar for it :)
We're usually friendly, especially to newcomers.
--
Joyce Haslam, a Texan permanently resident in England.
Beth Jackson
> You're quite welcome, Canary. Any time.
>
> ...Peg leans back in her chair, watching and debating with herself...
>
>Actually,
>you've done me a favour.
Moi??
>Several,
>in fact.
{:-O ??
>You've made me feel welcome,
>you've made me feel useful,
>and you've made me smile.
>I wasn't sure what to expect when I got here.
Aww... {{:'-)
<pretends to drag toe in dirt:)>
'T warn't nuthin'...
{{;-)
(Hey, Mike?
--Could-ja please get Pegasus here a BOHC, --oh, and one for me while
you're at it? {;-> --Thanks, Sir!:)
><sigh>
>I'm a mental midget
>when it comes to the Internet,
>I'm afraid,
<bg>
Meet another.
(me, iow:)
>so I'm never really sure
>if I'm "violating" protocol or not.
>And,
>to be honest,
>I tend to use the expression "kiddo"
>quite a bit in RL.
:-)
'S ok, I think.
I tend to use the expresson "honeychile'" quite a bit myself sometimes
-- even though IRL I don't seem usually to have all that much of a
"Southern Accent"(iow, "Southeastern USAian Accent").
(A coupla other Patrons here who've met me IRL might possibly agree
with that latter thing, I think:)
>Some people take exception
>to that particular word,
>as I've discovered.
><rueful grin>
>I guess I've just had
>the wrong kind of training
>and met with the worst kinds of people.
>They use "kiddo" affectionately
>and "boyo" when they're exasperated.
>And when they're really upset,
>you just get "The Look".
>*hg*
Well, hey, I use that last one myself sometimes, I think... ;-)
>For what it's worth,
>though,
>I *did* get fired
>when something similar happened to me.
<big gulp>
Wish me luck tomorrow, then
--I mean, later on today, then; the manager who suspended me is going
to be on-duty then,and apparently he's the one I need to see about
getting back to work.
(I hope he'll decide to let me *come* back...{{:'-\)
><shrug>
>It's water under the bridge now,
>but I can remember how I felt.
<gulp/sympathetic sniff>
>The hardest part,
>I think,
>is learning not to hate yourself
>for coming unglued.
>I'm still trying to learn that.
{{:'-\
Oh, honeychile', you don't know the half of it (in my limited opinion,
i.e.;) ...
I think I remember being brought up by a (actually, I think, usually
well-meaning) father who was of the Very Old "Dixie" School in re
daughters.
Fex, he seemed to think that healthy self-esteem was actually conceit.
Which was iho a *vice*. And most preferrably enthusiastically
*discouraged*. After all, Good Girls were supposed to be Humble. And
Obedient (totally, I mean..{{:'-\).
Iow, I have an *extra* hard time trying to learn Not To Hate Myself.
{:-\
>Come to think of it,
>I've got something for you.
>I think I remember where I put them.
Sounds like mosta my apartment...:>
>Give me a couple of days
>and I'll have a URL for you to visit
>- if you're interested,
>that is.
>;)
>
>Peg
Hey...! :)
"Presents"...? {;D
'Way cool!
(What can I say--? At heart in many ways I'll be an 8-year-old for a
long time:))
I think I'd be interested in seeing them.
:)
<mode semi-shameless self-promotion:)>
Oh--
--And, speaking of URL presents,
(geeze, I'm such a showoff)
...if you like, try this one, and see what you think.
:)
http://www.angelfire.com/nc/canvascanary/
</mode semi-shameless self-promotion>
Martin Evans
fertilizer hit the air ducts (Beth has the voice of either an angel,
or 1940's movie star, or both!). We talked about possible solutions.
One thing I suggested was that she gracefully leave Wendy's, and
strike out on her own as an art tutor for children and young teens. Is
there anybody else here who think that might be a good idea?
Beth Jackson
(aka Martin Evans:)
>I talked to Beth on the phone
>shortly after the metaphorical fertilizer
>hit the air ducts
We-ell, that's one way of putting it...;)
>(Beth has the voice of either an angel,
> or 1940's movie star,
> or both!).
<deeeep blush>
Gol-leeeee.... {:->
Thank you... thank you very much.
(*sudden twinkle* Well, *sometimes* I don't....;)
(I do have a buncha old-movie videos, and was raised by a Mom who
loved 1930's-'40's movies-type romance...and had a good voice
herself...maybe I learned from her, a little bit...{;->)
>We talked about possible solutions.
>One thing I suggested
>was that she gracefully leave Wendy's,
>and strike out on her own
>as an art tutor for children and young teens.
>Is there anybody else here
>who think that might be a good idea?
<wry grin>
I'm not sure about the "Making a living entirely from this" idea, but
I do think it has merit-- in some ways, it might be kinda fun...:)
Still thinking on it, here... After all, I did just Get My Job Back
Today!! {{:'-D)
Beth Jackson
But this time her face is perked-up a bit.
Collecting a drink from Mike, she goes to the front of the fireplace,
turns to face the Room, and managers to say, albeit in a somewhat
under-breath voice,
"I got my job back.
I can't believe it.
I got my job back...!"
{{:'-}
"Thank you, all you kind people who were (in USAian slang;) rooting for
me.
*Thank* you! --From the bottom of my re-employed heart!!"
{{:'-}
"I don't know where I'd have been if it hadn't been for your kind
support, and the support of my local-IRL friends, and (in California:)
my sister and her husband, and all *their* church, too (Annie said she'd
made a prayer-request that day in church for it:)."
She takes a deeper, cleaner breath, and repeats more firmly,
"I _got my job back_.
"I Got My Job Back.
"I _Got My *Job* Back_!!"
Suddenly, she explodes with sound (well, not literally--painful, that'd
be;) , ...
"I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
{{:'-D
..whirls around, and throws her glass (now empty:) into the Fireplace.
"*YEEEEEEEEEE-HAAaaaaaaaa!!!"
{{|'-D
"*ThankYouThankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!!*"
{{:'-D
<happy dance, a la Snoopy:)>
<sits back down at her table, and bursts into *happy* tears:'-)>
"...I _made_ it...!!
....*Thank* you, God, and *everyone* here who helped make it
possible!!"
{{:'-)
--Canary,
who will go back to work tomorrow
..and will try to keep her temper on a stronger Leash this
time...(thank you for that again, Pegasus:'-)
JBONETATI
<<
"I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
{{:'-D >>
Yah-Hooo!!!!
So glad to hear it!
Jan
John Vinson
Jackson) wrote:
>Suddenly, she explodes with sound (well, not literally--painful, that'd
>be;) , ...
>
>"I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
John the Wysard, not surprised but pleased and relieved, grins widely
and offers a Congratulatory WysardHug in place of the previously
provided Consolatory WysardHugs...
Warin
>Suddenly, she explodes with sound (well, not literally--painful, that'd
>be;) , ...
>
>"I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
And amidst the hustle and bustle, a soft voice barely reaches her
ears. "Congratulations," whispers the grizzly, with feeling.
Warin (enjoying the sight of a happydancing Canvas Canary)
--
Warin the grizzly bear and Catchild the smallish black panther
AIM WarinBear -- ICQ 100274710
If you want us to see your e-mail, send it to:
warinbear*at*home*dot*com
Remember -- only YOU can prevent spamfires!
Martin Evans
>
> Still thinking on it, here... After all, I did just Get My Job Back
> Today!! {{:'-D)
I told you you'd get your job back. But don't limit yourself, Beth.
Everyone here knows you have a lot to give. And also try and work out
that anger like I'm trying. See if there's a ring in your area
(private joke). Will call soon :-)
Pegasus
> > or 1940's movie star,
> > or both!).
Canary:
> <deeeep blush>
> Gol-leeeee.... {:->
> Thank you... thank you very much.
> (*sudden twinkle* Well, *sometimes* I don't....;)
> (I do have a buncha old-movie videos, and was raised by a Mom who
> loved 1930's-'40's movies-type romance...and had a good voice
> herself...maybe I learned from her, a little bit...{;->)
Peg:
Isn't it amazing how kids can learn so much from their parents - even
if they never listen to them? ;)
Martin:
> >We talked about possible solutions.
> >One thing I suggested
> >was that she gracefully leave Wendy's,
> >and strike out on her own
> >as an art tutor for children and young teens.
> >Is there anybody else here
> >who think that might be a good idea?
Canary:
> <wry grin>
> I'm not sure about the "Making a living entirely from this" idea, but
> I do think it has merit-- in some ways, it might be kinda fun...:)
>
> Still thinking on it, here... After all, I did just Get My Job Back
> Today!! {{:'-D)
Peg:
Congratulations on still having your job, kiddo. Wendy's may not be on
the top of the food chain, as far as jobs go, but it's something. *g*
Somehow, getting fired from a fast food joint doesn't seem to do a bit
for one's ego, does it?
But I think Martin's on to something. You have a phenomenal talent as
an artist. I'm impressed. Teaching art - or tutoring it, if you
prefer, is one possibility. There are others. You might consider
freelancing for desktop publishing/printing houses, the local
newspaper or, if you're in a large enough town, court illustrator?
If you have a bit of time from work, you might also consider
volunteering to help out at local schools? It'll give you a place to
start, some contacts, for something that you *could* do for a living.
Does the YMCA/YWCA have some sort of art programme? Another
possibility might be with a ... I'm not sure what they're called in
the US, but some of the Social Assistance people, those dealing with
the psychological aspects of abuse and such, especially in children,
run art programs to help children and young teens draw out their
frustrations, their anger and so on.
Now, this is only going to be my not-so-humble opinion, but a talent
such as yours is wasted on "Father Dave". ;)
Beth Jackson
ThankyouThankyou*Thank*you!! :-D
Beth Jackson
>><snip>
>>
>>Still thinking on it,
>>here
>>... After all,
>>I did just
>>Get My Job Back Today!!
>>{{:'-D)
Ogre/Martin Evans:
>I told you you'd get your job back.
>But don't limit yourself,
>Beth.
>Everyone here knows
>you have a lot to give.
<ironic grin>
Yeah, but so many people IRL (here in NC:) don't want to pay me for
it...
(no Bad Jokes now, people, please...!!}};-)
I will "keep on the back burner" what you talked about, though. Thank
you again, Martin:)
>And also try and work out that anger
>like I'm trying.
>See if there's a ring in your area
>(private joke).
{:-) ??
>Will call soon
>:-)
Ok... :)
(Thanks again for talking with me, btw;
I really needed it:)
Beth Jackson
>Congratulations on still having your job,
>kiddo.
Thank you. :)
>Wendy's may not be on the top
>of the food chain,
<twinkle at good choice of expression>
>as far as jobs go,
>but it's something.
>*g*
Yup. It still helps Pay The Rent.
;-D
>Somehow,
>getting fired from a fast food joint
>doesn't seem to do a bit for one's ego,
>does it?
:'-)
>But I think Martin's on to something.
:-)
>You have a phenomenal talent
>as an artist.
>I'm impressed.
>Teaching art
>- or tutoring it,
>if you prefer,
>is one possibility.
Hm. :)
One-on-one tutoring might not be so bad...I don't think I've ever really
had the patience, he "structured mindset" enough, or many of several
other things necessary to be a regular teacher.
(For one thing, I get distracted **way** too easily...)
>There are others.
>You might consider
>freelancing for
>desktop publishing/printing houses,
<ironic smile>
>the local newspaper or,
>if you're in a large enough town,
>court illustrator?
Ironic you should say that-- since 1978, I've been a professional
commercial graphic artist.
(My last art-boss didn't fire me -- I quit. "Ick..." --Right, Jacob?
<wave-wave> {;-)
>If you have a bit of time from work,
>you might also consider volunteering
>to help out at local schools?
Hmm...
And a former favorite date of mine is a teacher at a local school...
{;->
(didn't know him long enough to consider him a boyfriend though, and he
dumped me, politely, anyway, 'cause I talked all the time)
>It'll give you a place to start,
>some contacts,
>for something that you *could* do
>for a living.
>
>Does the YMCA/YWCA
>have some sort of art programme?
Hmm...:)
>Another possibility might be with a
>... I'm not sure what they're called
>in the US,
>but some of the
>Social Assistance people,
Hm??
--*Oh.* :)
"Social Services". :)
(And for the individual Social Services worker, it's simply Social
Worker:)
>those dealing with
>the psychological aspects
>of abuse and such,
>especially in children,
>run art programs
>to help children and young teens
>draw out their frustrations,
>their anger and so on.
*That's* an idea... {:-)
(*wry smile* Heaven only knows I've drawn a couple of really horrific
ones of Daddy, in my day...{:-\)
>Now,
>this is only going to be
>my not-so-humble opinion,
>but a talent such as yours
>is wasted on "Father Dave".
>;)
Thank you. :)
I just wish more folks in my *chosen vocational field* thought so, who
are in a position to hire me.
{;-/
<yuk>
7 years between art-jobs is tooooo long
-- I'd only thought it'd be 2 or so...!! {{:-\
(...But it felt *so nice* feeling **appreciated** for what I did, as
opposed to my last art-job boss.
<revolted shudder> And it *was* there as a good otlet, when my Mom was
dying in 1994. If I'd been at a *desk-job* then, I don't know what
I'd've done{:'-\)
Beth Jackson
:'-)
Congratulatory WysardHug happily accepted.
((((((((((((Wysard:))))))))))))
Beth Jackson
> Beth Jackson wrote:
>
> >Suddenly, she explodes with sound (well, not literally--painful, that'd
> >be;) , ...
> >
> >"I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
>
> And amidst the hustle and bustle, a soft voice barely reaches her
> ears. "Congratulations," whispers the grizzly, with feeling.
ThankyouThankyou*Thank*you!! :-)
> Warin (enjoying the sight of a happydancing Canvas Canary)
<blush> <grin>
Max and GreyMan
Beth Jackson wrote:
> Ogre/Martin Evans:
>
> >I told you you'd get your job back.
> >But don't limit yourself,
> >Beth.
> >Everyone here knows
> >you have a lot to give.
>
>
> Yeah, but so many people IRL (here in NC:) don't want to pay me for
> it...
> (no Bad Jokes now, people, please...
>
>
GreyMan grumpily interrupts:
"I think making a money-producing side job of your art would be a great
thing. It would give you a creative outlet, which would lower the
internal pressures in your main job, and any money you could make would
lessen your dependency on the main job."
"I agree with you that abandoning your main job completely for something
a lot less sure is probably not a good idea."
"However, if I'd been working for the same company for 7 years and
hadn't had a chance to advance to manager... I'd be looking for other
options."
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
08/15/2001
at 04:42 PM, Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) said:
>"I got my job back.
(*)
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author.]
not literally--painful, that'd
> be;) , ...
>
> "I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
>
Came in late on this one, glad it all worked out...
Dusty, profoundly glad he has an office upstairs, a door he
can close and an assistant who doesn't freak out when HE goes off.
--
This week's column: http://www.booksnbytes.com/dustyrhoades/columns/2001/2001_
0813.html
Allan Friedman
have worked out...as for your voice, Beth, I think Ogre hit the nail on
the proverbial head (remember, I've got that cassette you sent me...)you
do have a remarkable voice! As for the art teaching, maybe you could do
it in the evenings? kids are in school during the day anyhow...That way
you don't have to give up the security at Wendy's, and you can start to
build a client base part-time. It worked for me (I have 27 students
starting September, up from 8 2 years ago (-- Yay!), all in the evenings
and weekends. This allows me to keep my full-time job and do what I
enjoy as well. It may be something to think about, kiddo. Don't sell
yourself short, and the first student is the hardest and most
frightening. After that, it all falls in to place, and word-of-mouth
will take care of the rest. (Did I mention that it's all in cash?<g>)
-Keez
Beth Jackson wrote:
>
> Ogre:
> (aka Martin Evans:)
> >(Beth has the voice of either an angel,
> > or 1940's movie star,
> > or both!).
> >We talked about possible solutions.
Pat Kight
>>You have a phenomenal talent
>>as an artist.
>>I'm impressed.
>>Teaching art
>>- or tutoring it,
>>if you prefer,
>>is one possibility.
>>
>
> Hm. :)
> One-on-one tutoring might not be so bad...I don't think I've ever really
> had the patience, he "structured mindset" enough, or many of several
> other things necessary to be a regular teacher.
> (For one thing, I get distracted **way** too easily...)
The Spinster down in the Lounge butts in to suggest that the lovely
Canary check out her local community college system.
"I don't know about where you live, but hereabouts the community
colleges sponsor a lot of `community education' and `adult enrichment'
type classes, often in the evenings, for folks who are trying to acquire
new skills or just looking for something fun to do. They're always
looking for instructors, and the only required credentials seem to be an
interest in sharing your skills with others.
"Over the years, I've taught community ed courses in public speaking,
business writing, public relations for small businesses and non-profits,
acting improvisation and making hand-made books. The pay was fairly
decent for the time involved, it didn't require too much advance
preparation, and I had a lot of fun."
--Jezebel
kig...@peak.org
Beth Jackson
> GreyMan grumpily interrupts:
>
> "I think making a money-producing side job of your art would be a great
> thing. It would give you a creative outlet, which would lower the
> internal pressures in your main job, and any money you could make would
> lessen your dependency on the main job."
Hmm...
> "I agree with you that abandoning your main job completely for something
> a lot less sure is probably not a good idea."
Yup. {{:-\
BTDT.
Don't want to do that again.
{:-(
> "However, if I'd been working for the same company for 7 years and
> hadn't had a chance to advance to manager... I'd be looking for other
> options."
<ironic grin>
Actually, some managers I used to have (IIRC:) have asked me
more-or-less if I didn't want to try to attempt becoming a manager.
My response?
"I appreciate the thought, but I'd really rather not. While I --
vanity-type modesty aside;) -- believe I more than deserve the
promotion and accompanying pay-increase, I *don't* think I'd enjoy the
pressure.
"I've seen what some good managers I've had, have had to go through,
and I want No Part Of It.
"I don't think I have quite What It Takes to be a Good Manager. I
panic easily, hate math:), get distracted easily & Can't See The
Forest For The Trees (so to speak), and I'd rather not have to deal
with Getting People To Do Their Jobs for me."
:-)
I kinda like *working with* people.
I just don't want to deal with *getting people to work*.
*Yuck.*
Let somebody *else* have *that* headache, thank you.
IMO, what in my mind counts for A Good Manager more-or-less **earns**
their pay. **Lots** more to deal with than *I* have to handle.
Beth Jackson
**Me???**
A ***teacher??***
--I mean, at a *college*?
B-but, I don't even think I'm *qualified*...!
((:-\
Beth Jackson
> Keez drops in for a 'mo, waves at Beth, happy that her employment woes
> have worked out...as for your voice, Beth, I think Ogre hit the nail on
> the proverbial head
> (remember, I've got that cassette you sent me...)
Aww...!! {{;->
<deeeper blush>
> As for the art teaching, maybe you could do
> it in the evenings?
<gulp>
But I work 2nd-shift-- usually from about 4 or 5 pm to about 11 pm or 1 am. {{:-\
> kids are in school during the day anyhow...That way
> you don't have to give up the security at Wendy's, and you can start to
> build a client base part-time.
Hmm... {{:-)
It *is* an idea...:)
> It worked for me (I have 27 students
> starting September, up from 8 2 years ago (-- Yay!), all in the evenings
> and weekends. This allows me to keep my full-time job and do what I
> enjoy as well. It may be something to think about, kiddo. Don't sell
> yourself short,
Aww... {{:'-)
> and the first student is the hardest and most
> frightening. After that, it all falls in to place, and word-of-mouth
> will take care of the rest.
> (Did I mention that it's all in cash?<g>)
>
> -Keez
Uh... nope. :-)
> Beth Jackson wrote:
> >
> > Ogre:
> > (aka Martin Evans:)
> > >(Beth has the voice of either an angel,
> > > or 1940's movie star,
> > > or both!).
<blush>
Aww... Thank you... {{;->
Beth Jackson
> [This followup was posted to alt.callahans and a copy was sent to the cited
> author.]
>
>
> not literally--painful, that'd
> > be;) , ...
> >
> > "I *GOT* MY *JOB* BACK!!"
> >
>
>
> Came in late on this one, glad it all worked out...
>
> Dusty, profoundly glad he has an office upstairs, a door he
> can close and an assistant who doesn't freak out when HE goes off.
<twinkle>
<envious grin>
<muttermutterfrazzlerazzle>
;->
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 12:48 AM, Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) said:
>Actually, some managers I used to have (IIRC:) have asked me
>more-or-less if I didn't want to try to attempt becoming a manager.
I've found that managers have real trouble accepting that some people
don't want to be managers. This is true even when the hhe hiring
manager asks during the interview and the applicant explicitly states
that he does not want to move into management.
Miche
J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> In <5cc0d475.01081...@posting.google.com>, on 08/17/2001
> at 12:48 AM, Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) said:
>
> >Actually, some managers I used to have (IIRC:) have asked me
> >more-or-less if I didn't want to try to attempt becoming a manager.
>
> I've found that managers have real trouble accepting that some people
> don't want to be managers. This is true even when the hhe hiring
> manager asks during the interview and the applicant explicitly states
> that he does not want to move into management.
Yep. Not wanting t move into management apparently means one "lacks
ambition". What it means in my case is that I know myself well enough to
know that I'd suck at management, so I'd rather use my skills elsewhere.
Miche
--
WWMVD?
Bill Longley
> at 12:48 AM, Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) said:
>
>>Actually, some managers I used to have (IIRC:) have asked me
>>more-or-less if I didn't want to try to attempt becoming a manager.
>
>I've found that managers have real trouble accepting that some people
>don't want to be managers. This is true even when the hhe hiring
>manager asks during the interview and the applicant explicitly states
>that he does not want to move into management.
I've had to kick up a fuss about one of the courses I got sent on by my
company: the PRINCE2 (PRojects IN Controlled Environments, version 2)
methodology. I got a week learning all about the methodology, ended up
as a certified practitioner, and yet there is only one position in the
entire system (Team Manager) that I would ever contemplate taking. I
thought that this was just a wasteful way of teaching me about the
fraction that would be relevant to me until I discovered that there is a
two-day version for all the people that just need to know what the
senior managers are doing and why, rather than be project or program
managers or senior users, et cetera, themselves.
Funnily enough, although everybody I know in the company right up to UK
board level has had it reiterated that I don't do people work, I do
computer work with some people contact, nobody has yet been able to
explain why I got the long course: I suppose I should be glad that none
of them are clueless enough about technology to blame it on computer
error, but I'm tempted to read the books again to see where it says that
managers must cover up their cock-ups, as if it was a non-manager
responsible they would have been blamed by now.
--
Bill Longley
Bill Longley
In my case, it means I might advance my career in this company more
easily, but it would also cut off my chance of moving to a better paid
job elsewhere. In IT, flavour-of-the-month technical skills earn far
more than managers, so I'll be damned if I move to a position that is
purely people-based. I've surprised myself by taking on leadership
responsibilities in addition to my techie skills and doing it quite
well, according to the reviews I've had, but that's not my favourite
part of the job. And if it's not what I want to do, it pays less
elsewhere, and jeopardises my chances of doing the things I like, I will
actively resist the change. Just because I CAN do it and somebody will
give me more seniority for doing it doesn't mean it's right for me. It
may be an upward step in their eyes, but it's a downward step along a
blind alley for me.
--
Bill Longley
Werehatrack
<junk...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote
>>In <5cc0d475.01081...@posting.google.com>, on 08/17/2001
>> at 12:48 AM, Canvas...@webtv.net (Beth Jackson) said:
>>
>>>Actually, some managers I used to have (IIRC:) have asked me
>>>more-or-less if I didn't want to try to attempt becoming a manager.
>>
>>I've found that managers have real trouble accepting that some people
>>don't want to be managers. This is true even when the hhe hiring
>>manager asks during the interview and the applicant explicitly states
>>that he does not want to move into management.
>
<snip>
>Funnily enough, although everybody I know in the company right up to UK
>board level has had it reiterated that I don't do people work, I do
>computer work with some people contact, nobody has yet been able to
>explain why I got the long course: I suppose I should be glad that none
>of them are clueless enough about technology to blame it on computer
>error, but I'm tempted to read the books again to see where it says that
>managers must cover up their cock-ups, as if it was a non-manager
>responsible they would have been blamed by now.
I was constantly getting asked if I wanted to step up to a white shirt
(managers wore white, sales/techies wore red) when at my next-to-last
employer, and had to get *quite* firm about it at one point; I
not-so-gently explained that I was fully aware that within that
organization, one had some very strict choices to make; one could have
control over one's own schedule *or* have a full-time job, and one
could have a white shirt *or* a life, but that these were each
mutually exclusive "or" choices. I chose, eventually, to take
*neither* from them.
Spamblocked address; remove snowfromdriveway if replying.
Max and GreyMan
Beth Jackson wrote:
>
> GreyMan:
>
> > "However, if I'd been working for the same company for 7 years and
> > hadn't had a chance to advance to manager... I'd be looking for other
> > options."
>
> <ironic grin>
> Actually, some managers I used to have (IIRC:) have asked me
> more-or-less if I didn't want to try to attempt becoming a manager.
>
> My response?
>
> "I appreciate the thought, but I'd really rather not. While I --
> vanity-type modesty aside;) -- believe I more than deserve the
> promotion and accompanying pay-increase, I *don't* think I'd enjoy the
> pressure.
>
> "I've seen what some good managers I've had, have had to go through,
> and I want No Part Of It.
>
> "I don't think I have quite What It Takes to be a Good Manager. I
> panic easily, hate math:), get distracted easily & Can't See The
> Forest For The Trees (so to speak), and I'd rather not have to deal
> with Getting People To Do Their Jobs for me."
>
> :-)
>
> I kinda like *working with* people.
> I just don't want to deal with *getting people to work*.
>
> *Yuck.*
>
> Let somebody *else* have *that* headache, thank you.
> IMO, what in my mind counts for A Good Manager more-or-less **earns**
> their pay. **Lots** more to deal with than *I* have to handle.
GreyMan replies:
"I respect your desire to stay out of a job you don't like, and it looks
like you have made a realistic assessment of your skills rather than
merely assuming you can't handle the job."
"In technical fields there are plenty of folks who don't want to be
'promoted' from a creative hands-on position to a paper-pushing one.
Quite often, though, there are ways to advance that don't involve
abandoning the tasks you like. I can become a Technical Software
Manager and have light personnel duties and heavy technical ones, or I
can become a Manager and handle people, or I can become a Configuration
Manager or QA or PM and push paper. Even if I stay at my current level,
I make over 1.5x the median income for my geographical area and get
cost-of-living or better raises. So, I have the economic freedom to
refuse promotion."
"My impression of the fast food business is that you work the front
lines or become a manager, if you stay in a single store. Of course, if
you really like the company, you could investigate other kinds of
positions such as roving inspector or store decorator or purchasing or
advertising or franchise sales or... well, you get the picture. Change
the skill set used to one more valued by the company."
"I got the impression you were unhappy with your job and level of
income, and felt a bit trapped. That's my basis for all these
comments."
MaxCat is Huntmaster of Penrith Court, and pretty satisfied with his
job.
Leonard Erickson
wrote:
>Pat Kight <kig...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message news:<3B7C022D...@ucs.orst.edu>...
>> "I don't know about where you live, but hereabouts the community
>> colleges sponsor a lot of `community education' and `adult enrichment'
>> type classes, often in the evenings, for folks who are trying to acquire
>> new skills or just looking for something fun to do. They're always
>> looking for instructors, and the only required credentials seem to be an
>> interest in sharing your skills with others.
>>
>> "Over the years, I've taught community ed courses in public speaking,
>> business writing, public relations for small businesses and non-profits,
>> acting improvisation and making hand-made books. The pay was fairly
>> decent for the time involved, it didn't require too much advance
>> preparation, and I had a lot of fun."
>>
>> --Jezebel
>> kig...@peak.org
>
>
>**Me???**
>
>A ***teacher??***
>
>--I mean, at a *college*?
>
>B-but, I don't even think I'm *qualified*...!
>((:-\
You made a living at it. That's qualification enough for many community
colleges.
Leonard Erickson (aka Nemo) kal...@krypton.rain.com
"No, I will _not_ move your planet... What do you want to move it _for_?
It's fine right where it is!"
-- Dairine Callahan, Wizard (no relation)
Beth Jackson
> >> "Over the years, I've taught community ed courses in public speaking,
> >> business writing, public relations for small businesses and non-profits,
> >> acting improvisation and making hand-made books. The pay was fairly
> >> decent for the time involved, it didn't require too much advance
> >> preparation, and I had a lot of fun."
Canary:
> >**Me???**
> >
> >A ***teacher??***
> >
> >--I mean, at a *college*?
> >
> >B-but, I don't even think I'm *qualified*...!
> >((:-\
Nemo:
> You made a living at it. That's qualification enough for many community
> colleges.
>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Nemo)
> kal...@krypton.rain.com
<raised eyebrows>
<slightly dropped jaw>
Really??
Huh...!!
<intrigued musing look>
Well, whaddaya know about that...!
((:-)