Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the candidates)
So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
*****CRASH!!*****
-denny- -- "...our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: 'Our country--when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.'" - Carl Schurz, in 1899
Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote: >Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >candidates)
>So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>*****CRASH!!*****
****************CRASH**************** -- Clovis Man (aka George Ruch) "New! Do-it-yourself autopsy kits! Be the first on your block to get one!" (Stolen with pride from alt.folklore.urban)
Denny Wheeler wrote: > Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a > BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the > candidates)
> So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
> *****CRASH!!*****
******CRASH!!******
-- Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote: >Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >candidates)
>So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>*****CRASH!!*****
>-denny-
I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against him.
What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
Denny Wheeler wrote: > Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a > BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the > candidates)
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote: >Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >candidates)
>So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
<<<<CRASH>>>>
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Canth wrote: > On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:47:16 -0800, Denny Wheeler > <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>> Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >> BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >> candidates)
>> So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>> *****CRASH!!*****
>> -denny- > I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through > four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been > struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote > for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half > the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against > him.
> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot > bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can > your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
Probably not - it didn't *really* survive the last one.
-- Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
Denny Wheeler wrote: > Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a > BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the > candidates)
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:47:16 -0800, Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> typed furiously:
>Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >candidates)
>So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>*****CRASH!!*****
Hear, hear.
*****CRASH!!***** -- David No email replies please. So I'm right. Period. Anyone who believes different is retarded. (Stolen from JJRussell, alt.funnytown) (Originally posted by Jami JoAnne in alt.folklore.urban)
Canth wrote: > I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through > four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been > struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote > for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half > the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against > him.
"Sean Quinn, of the polling site FiveThirtyEight, respected for its obsessiveness and eerie prescience, recently posted a hair-raising story about a pair of Barack Obama supporters. Quinn seems ready to verify its source, but only after the election. At any rate, it goes like this: A man canvassing for Obama in western Pennsylvania asks a housewife which candidate she intends to vote for. She yells to her husband to find out. From the interior of the house, he calls back, "We're voting for the nigger!" At which point the housewife turns to the canvasser and calmly repeats her husband's declaration."
<snipped>
Me, I'm just relieved Obama won, although I admit to a moment of true admiration for John McCain when I heard his concession speech.
-- Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
"You know you can indict a ham sandwich if you want to." William J. Martini, Judge, United States District Court
On Nov 5, 12:22 am, Canth <kwar6...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot > bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can > your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
There's no such thing as a red state. Never has been. Just shades of purple. And nobody'd secede, they'd lose all the monies.
> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot > bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can > your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
Hi, I don't believe we've met. I'm the twenty-first century, and this is my good friend...woops, I was going to introduce you my good friend the twentieth century, but you seem to have just missed him.
OK, enough snark. The US doesn't do secessions anymore. A couple of states tried it about 140 - well, almost 150 years ago, and it didn't turn out so well for them.
In <35ec7b9b-84e2-4466-bd5b-fdcd99bda...@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com> Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:50:17 -0800, Harry Mary Andruschak said:
> On Nov 4, 8:47 pm, Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> > wrote: >> Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >> BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >> candidates)
>> So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>> *****CRASH!!*****
> Does this mean that Blacks will stop blaming the white-controlled > Government for all their problems? I hope so, of course.
Of course, but Republicans will most likely start blaming the Democrat-controlled Government for all of theirs, so it's a bit of a trade-off.
Patrick. -- Email to; 0mn1-sneaking(a)sneakEmail,com but fix the (a) and the comma first.
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:50:17 -0800 (PST), Harry Mary Andruschak
<adoptsoldc...@aol.com> wrote: >On Nov 4, 8:47?pm, Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> >wrote: >> Racism in the US isn't dead. ?But damn it, today's election dealt it a >> BIG blow. ?(and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >> candidates)
>> So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>> *****CRASH!!*****
>Does this mean that Blacks will stop blaming the white-controlled >Government for all their problems? I hope so, of course.
Most of the black people I know *don't* blame whites for their problems. ___
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On Nov 4, 8:47 pm, Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
> Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a > BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the > candidates)
> So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
> *****CRASH!!*****
> -denny- > -- > "...our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and > welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be > secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: > 'Our country--when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put > right.'" - Carl Schurz, in 1899
Well Denny I am with you on this. just his getting elected with the number of votes he had. the turn out at the polls and the bitterness of those opposed to this election are huge leaps. now the real work starts.
to giant leaps. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Crash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Nov 5, 9:30 am, Kevin Ahearn <Kevin.Ahe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot > > bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can > > your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
> Hi, I don't believe we've met. I'm the twenty-first century, and this > is my good friend...woops, I was going to introduce you my good friend > the twentieth century, but you seem to have just missed him.
> OK, enough snark. The US doesn't do secessions anymore. A couple of > states tried it about 140 - well, almost 150 years ago, and it didn't > turn out so well for them.
> --Kevin
Keven you have apparintly not been to see Mr pacific north west. or the new try for the state of cascadia or the conch republic or several other odd things that looked /look suspiciously like succession without guns.
On Nov 5, 3:02 pm, Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keven you have apparintly not been to see Mr pacific north west. or > the new try for the state of cascadia or the conch republic or several > other odd things that looked /look suspiciously like succession > without guns.
I've seen many of those odd things. To -me- they look like a handful of weirdos with publicity. No big.
Two meter troll wrote: > On Nov 5, 9:30 am, Kevin Ahearn <Kevin.Ahe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot >>> bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can >>> your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
>> Hi, I don't believe we've met. I'm the twenty-first century, and this >> is my good friend...woops, I was going to introduce you my good friend >> the twentieth century, but you seem to have just missed him.
>> OK, enough snark. The US doesn't do secessions anymore. A couple of >> states tried it about 140 - well, almost 150 years ago, and it didn't >> turn out so well for them.
>> --Kevin
> Keven you have apparintly not been to see Mr pacific north west. or > the new try for the state of cascadia or the conch republic or several > other odd things that looked /look suspiciously like succession > without guns.
Never hear of the others, but I can assure you that the Conch Republic is a healthy money-making tourist attraction in Key West.
The only real secessionist group I've ever heard of that sounds credibly scary is the AIP. I expect they have guns.
>> I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through >> four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been >> struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote >> for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half >> the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against >> him.
> "Sean Quinn, of the polling site FiveThirtyEight, respected for its > obsessiveness and eerie prescience, recently posted a hair-raising story > about a pair of Barack Obama supporters. Quinn seems ready to verify its > source, but only after the election. At any rate, it goes like this: A > man canvassing for Obama in western Pennsylvania asks a housewife which > candidate she intends to vote for. She yells to her husband to find out. > From the interior of the house, he calls back, "We're voting for the > nigger!" At which point the housewife turns to the canvasser and calmly > repeats her husband's declaration."
Sounds like to him - and her - the word is a description, not necessarily an insult.
On Nov 5, 12:08 pm, Lots42 <lot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 3:02 pm, Two meter troll <eawis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Keven you have apparintly not been to see Mr pacific north west. or > > the new try for the state of cascadia or the conch republic or several > > other odd things that looked /look suspiciously like succession > > without guns.
> I've seen many of those odd things. To -me- they look like a handful > of weirdos with publicity. No big.
really a "handfull weirdos" what ever shall we do? Never underestimate the power of a hand full of wierdos they are responcible for most of the things we now use every day. like the light bulb, PC's and the united states of america. Those same wierdos that i mentioned have gotten some pretty odd stuff out of the courts over the years so someone has taken them relitivly seriously. you dont always shoot someone to succede sometimes a bit of law treaking is all you need.
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:47:16 -0800, Denny Wheeler
> <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote: > >Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a > >BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the > >candidates)
> >So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
> >*****CRASH!!*****
> >-denny-
> I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through > four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been > struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote > for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half > the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against > him.
> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot > bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can > your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
Considering that most of those red states (with the exception of Texas) are a net drain on the federal coffers, and most blue states are a net contributor, I'd say "let 'em secede" - they can start their own little third-world country, and the rest of us will breathe a little easier if we don't have to support them. But again, with the same considerations in mind, I don't think they'll try to secede - they know where their money is coming from, and they know they can't survive on their own.
>>Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >>BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >>candidates)
>>So--to the USofA, and a giant leap.
>>*****CRASH!!*****
>>-denny- >I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through >four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been >struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote >for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half >the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against >him.
That presupposes that the *only* reason people voted against Barack Obama is due to his skin color, rather than his stance on various issues.
That presupposition is nonsense. Sure, some people may have voted based on that, just as some people may have voted *for* him based on his skin color. But the majority? Or even a significant minority? Don't be silly.
-Chris Zakes Texas
A politician may be distinguished from a statesman in that the former is, unfortunately, not dead.
Adapted from "The Devil's Dictionary" by Ambrose Bierce
saavik wrote: > Two meter troll wrote: >> On Nov 5, 9:30 am, Kevin Ahearn <Kevin.Ahe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot >>>> bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can >>>> your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
>>> Hi, I don't believe we've met. I'm the twenty-first century, and this >>> is my good friend...woops, I was going to introduce you my good friend >>> the twentieth century, but you seem to have just missed him.
>>> OK, enough snark. The US doesn't do secessions anymore. A couple of >>> states tried it about 140 - well, almost 150 years ago, and it didn't >>> turn out so well for them.
>>> --Kevin
>> Keven you have apparintly not been to see Mr pacific north west. or >> the new try for the state of cascadia or the conch republic or several >> other odd things that looked /look suspiciously like succession >> without guns.
> Never hear of the others, but I can assure you that the Conch Republic > is a healthy money-making tourist attraction in Key West.
> The only real secessionist group I've ever heard of that sounds credibly > scary is the AIP. I expect they have guns.
Big deal. They have about 12,000 registered members. I'm pretty sure you could find a lot more people than that in Alaska who *oppose* their ideas and *also* have guns. Hell, if it came to that, you could raise more armed citizens in Kentucky alone than the *entire population* of Alaska (assuming anybody here cared enough to try and keep'em, which I doubt...)
-- Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
Canth wrote: > On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:47:16 -0800, Denny Wheeler > <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>> Racism in the US isn't dead. But damn it, today's election dealt it a >> BIG blow. (and I'd say that, regardless of my opinion of the >> candidates)
>> So--to the USofA, and a giant leap. > I'd call it a bit premature yet. If he (and the US) makes it through > four years & the next election OK, then I will say a big blow has been > struck. Just because a confluence of events got enough people to vote > for him, doesn't mean racism has changed much. Remember, almost half > the people & in some places more than half the people, voted against > him.
> What does the US do now if one of those red states decides it cannot > bear being governed by a black president, and tries to secede? Can > your country survive a civil war in this day & age?
I think the Unpleasantness of 1861-1864 answered that.
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