Why aren't more Republicans volunteering to fight in Iraq?
ClassWarz
Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
There seems to be a bit of a recruit shortage these days. Come heed the
call! Join up now!
There are lots of IEDs to be defused; get yourself a choice job clearing
these before all the slots fill up and the opportunity is gone! It's the
hot new way to get into the high tech workplace of the future! Are you going
to let all us working class types beat you to these chic new careers? Don't
delay! Sign up today!
ClassWarz
edi...@netpath.net
"tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of Monica
Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
any of her classmates?)
Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the
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WF Peifer
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>
> Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there? The
> "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of Monica
> Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
> any of her classmates?)
Care to cite stats? Real ones . . . not ones pulled out of your ass.
Didn't think so.
Curtis
Ok I'm a republican and I will volunteer for the army and you go to Iraq as
a human shield.
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ClassWarz
How many children of Republican congressmen are in Iraq? Damn few.
How many children of the wealthy, conservative elite are in Iraq. Damn few.
It's a rich man's war and a poor man's fight! Just like in Vietnam!
Michael Moore made this issue one of the centerpieces of F-911:
Recruited from Red Nation, my eye! Haven't you been reading the news.
Fourteen killed on one day were from Kucinich's Ohio district! In F911,
Moore chronicles recruitment efforts in Blue Nation: Flint, Michigan!
Fifty seven million voted Republican last election, so how come we have a
recruitment shortfall??? Are Republican voters a bunch of chickenhawks?
I thought all you Red Staters were patriots!
Classwarz
ClassWarz
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> Ok I'm a republican and I will volunteer for the army
No, you won't.
Some working class person will fill in for you, while those on your side of
the political fence work here at home to make life tougher for working class
persons.
Just like in Vietnam.
ClassWarz
EnemyAce
"tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of Monica
Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
any of her classmates?) <<
Native Americans have always been in front of every American war. They
are the only true warriors in this country.
omare...@aol.com
eh? No wonder you want Republicans fighting the war for you. Luckily
the military's 75% Republican. Uh oh!
omare...@aol.com
> "Curtis" <curt...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Ok I'm a republican and I will volunteer for the army
>
> No, you won't.
Sure he will, considering 75% of the military is Republican. You won't
though, since you're too much of a coward to fight for your country.
Continue crying.
omare...@aol.com
75% of the military is Republican to your unending horrors. Try not to
let that destroy you.
PagCal
Jos.Carman
I think you mean "losing" don't you? The term "loosing"
means to let loose.
Now that I've got that off my chest, (whew!), just who is
it says we are 'losing' the war in Iraq? Did CNN tell you
that? Or was it NBC?
Presently I live in Kuwait and work up in Iraq. I,
personally, see NO sign we are 'losing' the war.
The buildup of material continues. Our convoys get through
to all parts of the country. The Iraqi government continues
to move toward political stability, while the Terrorist
opposition continues to alienate more and more Iraqis with
their lack of any political alternative to KILL, KILL, KILL!
From my admittedly limited perspective, (kind of a worm's
eye view), progress is being made on a daily basis.
Naturally, none of this is ever going to satisfy the Left.
It's all too obvious they want the US to fail in everything
it does. Having moved so far Left they can no longer win
elections, the Democrat Party can only hope for disaster to
overtake the US so they can blame it on the Republicans and
try and slide back into power.
The Bright Side
Personally it's a sigh of relief when I read the flow of casualty reports.
Darwinism at work.
WakeU...@adelphia.net
<N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote:
>Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
>
>Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
>
>There seems to be a bit of a recruit shortage these days. Come heed the
>call! Join up now!
I'm reminded of the young Jewish Neocon columnist -- I think he's
actually in college -- by the name of Shapiro (his column is
syndicated and appears in newspapers throughout America) -- who over
and over again beats the drum for ever more wars to be fought by
Americans against Gentile states in the Middle East. Needless to say,
he does this from the comfort of his air-conditioned digs in the USA,
even as 130,000 of the sons and daughters of America's working people
deal with the likelihood of being killed or seriously wounded (like
26,000 of them so far) in addition to 125 degree heat.
"So, likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter . . . It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others . . .
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government . . . Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests . . .
"Nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded, and that in place of them just and amicable feelings toward all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest."
-- President George Washington
Farewell Address
September 26, 1796
Sid9
Have you read this:
August 14, 2005
Someone Tell the President the War Is Over
By FRANK RICH
LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day,
President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for
Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the
course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we,
white man?
A president can't stay the course when his own citizens (let alone his own
allies) won't stay with him. The approval rate for Mr. Bush's handling of
Iraq plunged to 34 percent in last weekend's Newsweek poll - a match for the
32 percent that approved L.B.J.'s handling of Vietnam in early March 1968.
(The two presidents' overall approval ratings have also converged: 41
percent for Johnson then, 42 percent for Bush now.) On March 31, 1968, as
L.B.J.'s ratings plummeted further, he announced he wouldn't seek
re-election, commencing our long extrication from that quagmire.
But our current Texas president has even outdone his predecessor; Mr. Bush
has lost not only the country but also his army. Neither bonuses nor fudged
standards nor the faking of high school diplomas has solved the recruitment
shortfall. Now Jake Tapper of ABC News reports that the armed forces are so
eager for bodies they will flout "don't ask, don't tell" and hang on to gay
soldiers who tell, even if they tell the press.
The president's cable cadre is in disarray as well. At Fox News Bill
O'Reilly is trashing Donald Rumsfeld for his incompetence, and Ann Coulter
is chiding Mr. O'Reilly for being a defeatist. In an emblematic gesture akin
to waving a white flag, Robert Novak walked off a CNN set and possibly out
of a job rather than answer questions about his role in smearing the man who
helped expose the administration's prewar inflation of Saddam W.M.D.'s. (On
this sinking ship, it's hard to know which rat to root for.)
As if the right-wing pundit crackup isn't unsettling enough, Mr. Bush's top
war strategists, starting with Mr. Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, have of
late tried to rebrand the war in Iraq as what the defense secretary calls "a
global struggle against violent extremism." A struggle is what you have with
your landlord. When the war's über-managers start using euphemisms for a
conflict this lethal, it's a clear sign that the battle to keep the Iraq war
afloat with the American public is lost.
That battle crashed past the tipping point this month in Ohio. There's
historical symmetry in that. It was in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, that Mr.
Bush gave the fateful address that sped Congressional ratification of the
war just days later. The speech was a miasma of self-delusion, half-truths
and hype. The president said that "we know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had
high-level contacts that go back a decade," an exaggeration based on
evidence that the Senate Intelligence Committee would later find far from
conclusive. He said that Saddam "could have a nuclear weapon in less than a
year" were he able to secure "an amount of highly enriched uranium a little
larger than a single softball." Our own National Intelligence Estimate of
Oct. 1 quoted State Department findings that claims of Iraqi pursuit of
uranium in Africa were "highly dubious."
It was on these false premises - that Iraq was both a collaborator on 9/11
and about to inflict mushroom clouds on America - that honorable and brave
young Americans were sent off to fight. Among them were the 19 marine
reservists from a single suburban Cleveland battalion slaughtered in just
three days at the start of this month. As they perished, another Ohio marine
reservist who had served in Iraq came close to winning a Congressional
election in southern Ohio. Paul Hackett, a Democrat who called the president
a "chicken hawk," received 48 percent of the vote in exactly the kind of
bedrock conservative Ohio district that decided the 2004 election for Mr.
Bush.
These are the tea leaves that all Republicans, not just Chuck Hagel, are
reading now. Newt Gingrich called the Hackett near-victory "a wake-up call."
The resolutely pro-war New York Post editorial page begged Mr. Bush (to no
avail) to "show some leadership" by showing up in Ohio to salute the fallen
and their families. A Bush loyalist, Senator George Allen of Virginia,
instructed the president to meet with Cindy Sheehan, the mother camping out
in Crawford, as "a matter of courtesy and decency." Or, to translate his
Washingtonese, as a matter of politics. Only someone as adrift from reality
as Mr. Bush would need to be told that a vacationing president can't win a
standoff with a grief-stricken parent commandeering TV cameras and the
blogosphere 24/7.
Such political imperatives are rapidly bringing about the war's end. That's
inevitable for a war of choice, not necessity, that was conceived in
politics from the start. Iraq was a Bush administration idée fixe before
there was a 9/11. Within hours of that horrible trauma, according to Richard
Clarke's "Against All Enemies," Mr. Rumsfeld was proposing Iraq as a
battlefield, not because the enemy that attacked America was there, but
because it offered "better targets" than the shadowy terrorist redoubts of
Afghanistan. It was easier to take out Saddam - and burnish Mr. Bush's
credentials as a slam-dunk "war president," suitable for a "Top Gun" victory
jig - than to shut down Al Qaeda and smoke out its leader "dead or alive."
But just as politics are a bad motive for choosing a war, so they can be a
doomed engine for running a war. In an interview with
Tim Russert early last year, Mr. Bush said, "The thing about the Vietnam War
that troubles me, as I look back, was it was a political war," adding that
the "essential" lesson he learned from Vietnam was to not have "politicians
making military decisions." But by then Mr. Bush had disastrously ignored
that very lesson; he had let Mr. Rumsfeld publicly rebuke the Army's chief
of staff, Eric Shinseki, after the general dared tell the truth: that
several hundred thousand troops would be required to secure Iraq. To this
day it's our failure to provide that security that has turned the country
into the terrorist haven it hadn't been before 9/11 - "the central front in
the war on terror," as Mr. Bush keeps reminding us, as if that might make us
forget he's the one who recklessly created it.
The endgame for American involvement in Iraq will be of a piece with the
rest of this sorry history. "It makes no sense for the commander in chief to
put out a timetable" for withdrawal, Mr. Bush declared on the same day that
14 of those Ohio troops were killed by a roadside bomb in Haditha. But even
as he spoke, the war's actual commander, Gen. George Casey, had already
publicly set a timetable for "some fairly substantial reductions" to start
next spring. Officially this calendar is tied to the next round of Iraqi
elections, but it's quite another election this administration has in mind.
The priority now is less to save Jessica Lynch (or Iraqi democracy) than to
save Rick Santorum and every other endangered Republican facing voters in
November 2006.
Nothing that happens on the ground in Iraq can turn around the fate of this
war in America: not a shotgun constitution rushed to meet an arbitrary
deadline, not another Iraqi election, not higher terrorist body counts, not
another battle for Falluja (where insurgents may again regroup, The Los
Angeles Times reported last week). A citizenry that was asked to accept tax
cuts, not sacrifice, at the war's inception is hardly in the mood to start
sacrificing now. There will be neither the volunteers nor the money required
to field the wholesale additional American troops that might bolster the
security situation in Iraq.
WHAT lies ahead now in Iraq instead is not victory, which Mr. Bush has never
clearly defined anyway, but an exit (or triage) strategy that may echo
Johnson's March 1968 plan for retreat from Vietnam: some kind of
negotiations (in this case, with Sunni elements of the insurgency), followed
by more inflated claims about the readiness of the local troops-in-training,
whom we'll then throw to the wolves. Such an outcome may lead to even
greater disaster, but this administration long ago squandered the
credibility needed to make the difficult case that more human and financial
resources might prevent Iraq from continuing its descent into civil war and
its devolution into jihad central.
Thus the president's claim on Thursday that "no decision has been made yet"
about withdrawing troops from Iraq can be taken exactly as seriously as the
vice president's preceding fantasy that the insurgency is in its "last
throes." The country has already made the decision for Mr. Bush. We're outta
there. Now comes the hard task of identifying the leaders who can pick up
the pieces of the fiasco that has made us more vulnerable, not less, to the
terrorists who struck us four years ago next month.
JBP
Iraq?"
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omare...@aol.com
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
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> > Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there? The
> > "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> > Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of Monica
> > Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
> > any of her classmates?)
> >
> > Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the
> > http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
> >
>
> How many children of Republican congressmen are in Iraq? Damn few.
Changing the argument now that you lost the one you started, eh?
Continue panicking.
>
> How many children of the wealthy, conservative elite are in Iraq. Damn few.
How many children of the wealthy, liberal elite are in Iraq? Whoops!
>
> It's a rich man's war and a poor man's fight! Just like in Vietnam!
No kidding, dipshit. Unfortunately that's not the theory you posited
above. What a complete coward you are.
>
> Michael Moore made this issue one of the centerpieces of F-911:
>
> www.michaelmoore.com
Yes, Moore's hysterical stalking of congressmen was one of the funnier
parts of that "documentary," for all the wrong reasons.
>
> Recruited from Red Nation, my eye! Haven't you been reading the news.
> Fourteen killed on one day were from Kucinich's Ohio district! In F911,
> Moore chronicles recruitment efforts in Blue Nation: Flint, Michigan!
Yes, and that has relevance to the general state of the military in the
rest of the country, how? Are you on drugs?
>
> Fifty seven million voted Republican last election, so how come we have a
> recruitment shortfall??? Are Republican voters a bunch of chickenhawks?
Are Democrat voters a bunch of cowards who want others fighting wars
for them? Don't worry, we all know the answer to that one.
>
> I thought all you Red Staters were patriots!
No one thought you Blue Staters were.
>
>
>
> Classwarz
Steven L.
> Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
>
> Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
From the surveys of our military that I've seen, the majority of them
are Republicans; only a minority are Democrats. In fact, the U.S.
officer corps is *overwhelmingly* Republican.
So it would seem that more Republicans have volunteered to join the
military than Democrats.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
WF Peifer
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>
> 75% of the military is Republican to your unending horrors. Try not to
> let that destroy you.
I'll repeat: Care to cite stats? Real ones . . . not ones pulled out of
your ass.
Didn't think so. You can throw out any number you like, but you're unable
to back your claims up with any reality.
Mitchell Holman
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> ClassWarz wrote:
>
>> Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
>>
>> Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
>
> From the surveys of our military that I've seen, the majority of them
> are Republicans; only a minority are Democrats. In fact, the U.S.
> officer corps is *overwhelmingly* Republican.
So why are we supposed to feel sorry for the
plight of troops victimized by stop loss orders
and crummy VA hospitals and vehicles without armor?
They like this war, they like this administration,
so why are we being asked to "support the troops"?
Mitchell Holman
> The question should be "Why aren't ANY democrats volunteering to fight in
> Iraq?"
Can you name one member of this administration
who has a son or daughter serving in Iraq?
56 military women have died in Iraq, and the
Bush girls sit around the White House Rec Room
playing video games and drying their nails.
Is being a chickenhawk inheritable?
PLMerite
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
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Don't worry Mitchell, I never accused you of ever supporting anything
American.
Regards, PLMerite
Mitchell Holman
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
> Carman wrote:
> I think you mean "losing" don't you? The term "loosing"
> means to let loose.
>
> Now that I've got that off my chest, (whew!), just who is
> it says we are 'losing' the war in Iraq? Did CNN tell you
> that? Or was it NBC?
>
> Presently I live in Kuwait and work up in Iraq. I,
> personally, see NO sign we are 'losing' the war.
General says attacks on US convoys in Iraq doubled
12 Aug 2005
WASHINGTON, Aug 12 (Reuters) - The number of roadside
bomb attacks by insurgents against U.S. military supply
convoys in Iraq has doubled in the past year, the general
in charge of logistics for American military forces in
Iraq said on Friday. Army Brig. Gen. Yves Fontaine, commander
of the 1st Corps Support Command, said U.S. military convoys
carrying fuel, food, water, arms and equipment faced 30 attacks
weekly involving so-called improvised explosive devices, or IEDs.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N12662579.htm
>
> The buildup of material continues. Our convoys get through
> to all parts of the country. The Iraqi government continues
> to move toward political stability, while the Terrorist
> opposition continues to alienate more and more Iraqis with
> their lack of any political alternative to KILL, KILL, KILL!
Political stability, indeed..........
Baghdad Mayor Is Ousted by a Shiite Group
August 10, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Aug. 9 - Armed men entered Baghdad's
municipal building during a blinding dust storm on
Monday, deposed the city's mayor and installed a
member of Iraq's most powerful Shiite militia.
Witnesses estimated that the number of armed men
ranged from 50 to 120. Mr. Makkia is a member of a
Shiite political party that swept to victory during
the across-the-board Shiite successes during January's
elections. Mr. Tamimi, the deposed mayor, was appointed
by the central government and held ministerial rank.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/10/international/middleeast/10iraq.html
>
> From my admittedly limited perspective, (kind of a worm's
> eye view), progress is being made on a daily basis.
>
> Naturally, none of this is ever going to satisfy the Left.
> It's all too obvious they want the US to fail in everything
> it does. Having moved so far Left they can no longer win
> elections, the Democrat Party can only hope for disaster to
> overtake the US so they can blame it on the Republicans and
> try and slide back into power.
Of course the Left blames the administration's
failures on the administration. But only because
the Bushies refuse to accept any blame themselves.
Remember their plank of personal responsibility?
Welcome to the modern GOP, where no one is responsible
for anything.........
Mitchell Holman
Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out
from bragging about how Republicans control all three
branches of government to complain that the towering
deficit, record pollution, lax border controls, those
"burdensome" regulations and the quagmire in Iraq are
the fault of "those liberals in Congress".
Mitchell Holman
@trnddc09:
If you support the war so much, why aren't
YOU serving in it? And no, waiting for the Bush
girls to volunteer first is not acceptable.....
Steven L.
You're right!
You're absolutely right!
You Democrats should stop supporting the troops immediately.
After all, so many of them didn't vote for Kerry. Therefore, they
deserve to be killed in action.
Mitchell Holman
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> "Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in
>> news:UwJLe.5819$WD.5099 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>
>>>ClassWarz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
>>>>
>>>>Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
>>>
>>> From the surveys of our military that I've seen, the majority of them
>>>are Republicans; only a minority are Democrats. In fact, the U.S.
>>>officer corps is *overwhelmingly* Republican.
>>
>>
>>
>> So why are we supposed to feel sorry for the
>> plight of troops victimized by stop loss orders
>> and crummy VA hospitals and vehicles without armor?
>> They like this war, they like this administration,
>> so why are we being asked to "support the troops"?
>
> You're right!
> You're absolutely right!
> You Democrats should stop supporting the troops immediately.
And you Bushies should show your support
for the troops by JOINING THEM.
Oh, I forgot - Combat is for the "the
little people". You sport a "We support
the troops" decal on your SUV, and who
could ask for more than that?
blazing laser
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>>
>> Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there? The
>> "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
>> Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of Monica
>> Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
>> any of her classmates?)
>
>Care to cite stats? Real ones . . . not ones pulled out of your ass.
>
>Didn't think so.
Actually the guy is right, at least in a way. The policy makers and
planners, people in charge of rebuilding Iraq, people in charge of
budgeting and spending the money, people in charge of briefing the
press, the people running the Iraqi oil industry, helping Iraqi
leaders to write their constitution (and choosing which Iraqis will be
in the govt. over there)--all those people are Republicans. The
problem is they were put in their jobs based on political loyalty not
practical experience.
WF Peifer
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>
> Actually the guy is right, at least in a way. The policy makers and
> planners, people in charge of rebuilding Iraq, people in charge of
> budgeting and spending the money, people in charge of briefing the
> press, the people running the Iraqi oil industry, helping Iraqi
> leaders to write their constitution (and choosing which Iraqis will be
> in the govt. over there)--all those people are Republicans. The
> problem is they were put in their jobs based on political loyalty not
> practical experience.
It's true that the policy wonks and bureaucrats (the ones that misplaced $8
billion in reconstruction money) are Republican political appointees, but
his contention was that the fighting men and women were 3/4 Republican.
Someone, somewhere, dreamed this stat up, and right-wing loons keep
repeating it, but they can't tell anyone where it came from. It has a nice
ring to it for them, so they just keep chanting it over and over again, as
if it were the Hare Krishna.
Brian
state" is nonsense. This red state/blue state idiocy is just so much
more drivel for so-called "main-stream" media outlets.
If you want to get to the truth, simply look at the exit polls from
Presidential elections, restricted only to active duty military
personnel. I think you'll find them to be OVERWHELMINGLY Republican.
If they weren't, why did Gore try to get rid of absentee ballots sent
in from American military serving overseas? Hmmmm...
WF Peifer
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>
> Sure he will, considering 75% of the military is Republican.
Keep throwing that fabricated number out there. Maybe someone besides you
will believe it.
Robert R.
Jos.Carman wrote:
> Presently I live in Kuwait and work up in Iraq. I,
> personally, see NO sign we are 'losing' the war.
I have an acquaintance who is a US Army captain just back from a
year-long tour in Iraq. In his opinion, Iraq "sucks," there is no
prospect whatsoever of Western-style democracy taking root there any
time in the forseeable future, and the current violence is practice for
an impending Sunni-Shi'ah civil war, which (he said) we will be
completely powerless to prevent. He also had some choice words about
Halliburton.
Robert R.
WF Peifer
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>
> Still too much of a pussy to go over there and fight for your country,
> eh? No wonder you want Republicans fighting the war for you. Luckily
> the military's 75% Republican. Uh oh!
"Uh oh" yourself! Why'd you pick 75%? Wouldn't it look better if you said
the military was 90%? Hell, why not go for 99%? Those numbers are every
bit as provable as 75% is.
Brian
Most of us refuse to fight for a President that is a FUCKING LIAR!That's
why!!!!!And why aren't you in Iraq?!Do you have any children that are of
age?If so why aren't they over there dying for your piece of shit
President?!!!!
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WF Peifer
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>
> Trying to figure out a soldier's political affiliation by his "home
> state" is nonsense. This red state/blue state idiocy is just so much
> more drivel for so-called "main-stream" media outlets.
>
> If you want to get to the truth, simply look at the exit polls from
> Presidential elections, restricted only to active duty military
> personnel. I think you'll find them to be OVERWHELMINGLY Republican.
The problem is that there's a law against exit polling of active duty
military, so we CAN'T look at such numbers. The closest you, or anybody,
can come is to cite an Army/Air Force/Navy Times survey that indicated that
72% of the readers who chose to respond preferred Bush over Kerry. The
biggest problem with that survey is that the Military Times readership
consists almost exclusively of career commissioned and non-commissioned
officers. The average enlisted man rarely picks it up except when
completely bored and there's nothing else to read. The bulk of the
military, the young men and women who signed up to get some money for
college or to get out of a dead-end situation at home (i.e. inner city slums
or backwoods rural environments), aren't included in that 72%.
> If they weren't, why did Gore try to get rid of absentee ballots sent
> in from American military serving overseas? Hmmmm...
Gore challenged the absentee ballots that arrived after the statutory
deadline. A little thing called "rule of law" that right-wingers love to
cite, except when it works to their detriment.
Randy Sweeney
"The Bright Side" <So...@wonderful.life.com> wrote in message
news:42FF5245...@wonderful.life.com...
>> 75% of the military is Republican to your unending horrors. Try not to
>> let that destroy you.
>
> Personally it's a sigh of relief when I read the flow of casualty reports.
> Darwinism at work.
Your mother must be so proud of you.
WF Peifer
news:47BLe.57307$Tt6....@fe04.lga...
>
> Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
>
> Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
>
> call! Join up now!
They would, but it would mean that they'd have to drive their SUVs into
those dangerous "blue" neighborhoods, where almost all of the military
recruiting offices are.
Andy Weaks
> Carman wrote:
> I think you mean "losing" don't you? The term "loosing"
> means to let loose.
>
> Now that I've got that off my chest, (whew!), just who is
> it says we are 'losing' the war in Iraq? Did CNN tell you
> that? Or was it NBC?
>
> Presently I live in Kuwait and work up in Iraq. I,
> personally, see NO sign we are 'losing' the war.
>
> The buildup of material continues. Our convoys get through
> to all parts of the country. The Iraqi government continues
> to move toward political stability, while the Terrorist
> opposition continues to alienate more and more Iraqis with
> their lack of any political alternative to KILL, KILL, KILL!
>
> From my admittedly limited perspective, (kind of a worm's
> eye view), progress is being made on a daily basis.
>
> Naturally, none of this is ever going to satisfy the Left.
> It's all too obvious they want the US to fail in everything
> it does. Having moved so far Left they can no longer win
> elections, the Democrat Party can only hope for disaster to
> overtake the US so they can blame it on the Republicans and
> try and slide back into power.
>
so how often do you go out to eat while up in Iraq, take in a movie,
stroll down the shady lane catching a cold beer in a side walk cafe? do
you wander the streets talking to the locals. Do you drink water from
the tap? And I am sure you can tell us where those WMDs are, can't ya????
PLMerite
I AM serving in it. In a better way than you ever could even if you weren't
a socialist surrender-monkey.
Regards, PLMerite
abe
they drive down the road..
<edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message ...
jif...@supanet.com
>repeating it, but they can't tell anyone where it came from.
The democrats wanted arms cuts didn't they ? Do you think military
personell are going to vote for someone who is going to put them out of
work ?
WF Peifer
news:1124048980.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> The democrats wanted arms cuts didn't they ? Do you think military
> personell are going to vote for someone who is going to put them out of
> work ?
Democrats are also the ones leading the charge for better pay and benefits
for the military, while Republicans have generally opposed such measures.
Do you think military personnel are going to vote for someone who thinks
they're getting paid enough, when their families qualify for food stamps?
Democrats are also the ones leading the charge for better health care for
veterans, while Republicans have generally opposed such measures . . . in
fact, would prefer to cut VA benefits. Do you think military personnel are
going to vote for someone who thinks they shouldn't be taken care of
properly should they become disabled by their service?
Jeff Welch
> Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there?
America's young people, and reservists held way beyond their commitment.
> The "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation!
Bullshit. The outfits that are over there come from America's most
populated areas - blue states.
> (Heard of Monica Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea
> Klinton - or
> any of her classmates?)
Why should they? They're not stupid enough to support this idiotic war and
this mentally retarded commander in chief.
Why aren't YOU enlisting, traitor?
-Jeff
WF Peifer
> Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting?
Why bring up Monica? She's a Republican now, you know. She said Democrats
left a bad taste in her mouth.
Jeff Welch
"Jos.Carman" <jos_c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124027781.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Now that I've got that off my chest, (whew!), just who is
> it says we are 'losing' the war in Iraq? Did CNN tell you
> that? Or was it NBC?
It was the Pentagon.
We lost 70 American soldiers in the month of August - the highest since the
invasion began.
-Jeff
Felix D.
"ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
> > "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> > Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
> > any of her classmates?)
>
> How many children of Republican congressmen are in Iraq? Damn few.
How many children of Democrat congressmen are in Iraq? Even less ...
Asmodeus
news:1eGdnbeBWK_...@comcast.com:
> Democrats are also the ones leading the charge for better pay and
> benefits for the military, while Republicans have generally
> opposed such measures.
No not Democrats. Some Democrats. And no, Republicans have not
generally opposed anything of the kind. Klintoon, recall, cut
and slashed the military budget, as did Jimmy "I never met a
dictator I didn't love" Carter.
> Democrats are also the ones leading the charge for better health
> care for veterans, while Republicans have generally opposed such
> measures . . .
Wrong again, and for the same reasons.
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WF Peifer
news:Xns96B2A67BA3403as...@216.196.97.142...
>
> No not Democrats. Some Democrats. And no, Republicans have not
> generally opposed anything of the kind. Klintoon, recall, cut
> and slashed the military budget, as did Jimmy "I never met a
> dictator I didn't love" Carter.
Democrats (including the party platform) have supported a smaller, but
better compensated and better equipped military. It's called
"modernization". It ultimately means a smaller defense budget, but with the
funds spent on things that do the troops some good, instead of fat contracts
to already-fat defense contractors for doing little or nothing.
> > Democrats are also the ones leading the charge for better health
> > care for veterans, while Republicans have generally opposed such
> > measures . . .
>
> Wrong again, and for the same reasons.
Tell that to the disabled vets who rely on VA hospitals. They'll tell you
what's happened to the level of care they, and the NEW disabled vets coming
back from Bush's Vendetta, are getting. Who, in Congress, in the last six
months, wanted the very modest increases in VA funding reduced? The
Administration and Congressional Republicans. Who wanted those increases
made larger? Congressional Democrats.
omare...@aol.com
Everyone believes it because it's utterly true. Still continue
panicking because you can't deal with reality.
WF Peifer
news:1124054153....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Everyone believes it because it's utterly true.
Cite? Real facts, not opinions pulled from your ass.
Mitchell Holman
news:qNMLe.9405$Rp5.7820@trnddc03:
You don't say.
Proof?
omare...@aol.com
Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "PLMerite" <stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote in news:K%JLe.2948$%K4.271
> @trnddc09:
>
> >
> > "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns96B26FC80...@216.196.97.131...
> >> "Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in
> >> news:UwJLe.5819$WD.5099
> >> @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> >>
> >>> ClassWarz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> >>>>
> >>>> Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
> >>>
> >>> From the surveys of our military that I've seen, the majority of them
> >>> are Republicans; only a minority are Democrats. In fact, the U.S.
> >>> officer corps is *overwhelmingly* Republican.
> >>
> >>
> >> So why are we supposed to feel sorry for the
> >> plight of troops victimized by stop loss orders
> >> and crummy VA hospitals and vehicles without armor?
> >> They like this war, they like this administration,
> >> so why are we being asked to "support the troops"?
> >
> >
> > Don't worry Mitchell, I never accused you of ever supporting anything
> > American.
>
>
> If you support the war so much, why aren't
> YOU serving in it? And no, waiting for the Bush
> girls to volunteer first is not acceptable.....
See you over in Iraq, coward!
omare...@aol.com
Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in
>
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >
> >> "Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in
> >> news:UwJLe.5819$WD.5099 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> >>
> >>
> >>>ClassWarz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> >>>>
> >>>>Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
> >>>
> >>> From the surveys of our military that I've seen, the majority of them
> >>>are Republicans; only a minority are Democrats. In fact, the U.S.
> >>>officer corps is *overwhelmingly* Republican.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So why are we supposed to feel sorry for the
> >> plight of troops victimized by stop loss orders
> >> and crummy VA hospitals and vehicles without armor?
> >> They like this war, they like this administration,
> >> so why are we being asked to "support the troops"?
> >
> > You're absolutely right!
> > You Democrats should stop supporting the troops immediately.
>
>
> And you Bushies should show your support
> for the troops by JOINING THEM.
>
> Oh, I forgot - Combat is for the "the
> little people". You sport a "We support
> the troops" decal on your SUV, and who
> could ask for more than that?
So when are you heading over?
David Moffitt
%%%% BRAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA---- The self admitted coward Mitch asking for
someone to prove they are serving. Now that is funny! :o)
blazing laser
>The democrats wanted arms cuts didn't they ? Do you think military
>personell are going to vote for someone who is going to put them out of
>work ?
Actually it's the arms that put soldiers out of work. Republicans
love to spend billions on big, expensive weapons systems, which are
really no more than pork, rather than on compensation, benefits,
incentives, etc. for soldiers. By eliminating this mostly-useless
hardware, the Democrats are helping soldiers, not putting them out of
work.
blazing laser
wrote:
>If they weren't, why did Gore try to get rid of absentee ballots sent
>in from American military serving overseas? Hmmmm...
You guys keep lying about that. Republicans got to complete
incomplete ballots only in the Republican counties they wanted to.
That's pretty fraudulent. But hey, any accusation against a Democrat
is okay, right? I mean true or not, what's the difference? 8^)
WF Peifer
news:cAPLe.6137$Je....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> %%%% BRAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA---- The self admitted coward Mitch asking for
> someone to prove they are serving. Now that is funny! :o)
Of course, he COULD have posted something really stupid like "%%%%
MOS/AFSC?"
PLMerite
Prove to me you've ever done anything constructive and I might consider it.
Until then, you don't have the need to know.
Regards, PLMerite
WF Peifer
news:qNMLe.9405$Rp5.7820@trnddc03...
>
> I AM serving in it. In a better way than you ever could even if you
weren't
> a socialist surrender-monkey.
Must be one HELL of a wireless NIC you've got in that laptop, posting from
Iraq through a Verizon server in Reston, VA.
David Moffitt
"blazing laser" <none> wrote in message
news:91ivf1hao9qero612...@4ax.com...
> On 14 Aug 2005 09:58:39 -0700, "Brian" <workinw...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>If they weren't, why did Gore try to get rid of absentee ballots sent
>>in from American military serving overseas? Hmmmm...
>
> You guys keep lying about that. Republicans got to complete
> incomplete ballots only in the Republican counties they wanted to.
%%%% Is that anything like counting and recounting and recounting and
recounting votes in select Democrat controlled counties in Florida instead
of the whole state?
Mitchell Holman
t...@comcast.com:
That is all you can expect from Muffy.
Dodge and evade, whine and disappear.
At least he is consistent....
Asmodeus
news:nMPLe.10043$Rp5.1456@trnddc03:
> Prove to me you've ever done anything constructive and I might
> consider it.
I'd be all for trading Mitchie and his comrades for these:
http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/07/welcome-aboard.html
David Moffitt
%%%% I noticed you didn't deny being a coward Mitch. :o)
>
>
>
>
>
David Moffitt
"Asmodeus" <bo...@Xadelphia.net> wrote in message
> "PLMerite" <stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote in
> news:nMPLe.10043$Rp5.1456@trnddc03:
>
>> Prove to me you've ever done anything constructive and I might
>> consider it.
>
> I'd be all for trading Mitchie and his comrades for these:
>
> http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/07/welcome-aboard.html
%%%% Amen. We need more Americans like Q and less socialist surrender
monkeys like Mitch.
Mitchell Holman
@trnddc03:
Gads, what IS it with you rightwingers
making stupid claims and then running away
when asked for proof?
Mitchell Holman
"Clinton protested the US in a country that
was sending arms to kill our soldiers."
David Moffitt, 3/24/05. He has since run away
from all calls for proof of this claim.
PLMerite
"WF Peifer" <wfpe...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:5_adnYUcluq...@comcast.com...
It would be, if I'd ever said I was in Iraq.
You don't think us DoD civilians can do support to military operations from
CONUS?
What potato-peeling job did *you* have in the military?
Regards, PLMerite
--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
PLMerite
What, you think I owe *your* lefty ass an explanation for anything?
Regards, PLMerite
PLMerite
>
>
> Gads, what IS it with you rightwingers
> making stupid claims and then running away
> when asked for proof?
Sorry, when I retire in about 10 years I'll tell you. Until then, it's too
good a gig to screw with.
Unlike whatever pissant job you're qualified to do.
> Mitchell Holman
Mitchell Holman
$ns....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Keep running from the lies you post, Muffy.
It is the only exercise you seem to get.......;)
Mitchell Holman
@trnddc06:
Hey, if you cannot back your claim
whose fault is that?
Mitchell Holman
news:SEQLe.1477$Y55.1285@trnddc06:
>
> "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96B2BAF5E...@216.196.97.131...
>
>>
>>>> If you support the war so much, why aren't
>>>> YOU serving in it? And no, waiting for the Bush
>>>> girls to volunteer first is not acceptable.....
>>>
>>>
>>> I AM serving in it.
>>
>>
>> You don't say.
>>
>> Proof?
>>
>> Prove to me you've ever done anything constructive and I might consider
it.
>
>
>>
>> Gads, what IS it with you rightwingers
>> making stupid claims and then running away
>> when asked for proof?
>
> Sorry, when I retire in about 10 years I'll tell you. Until then, it's
> too good a gig to screw with.
So back up your claim that you are
serving in the war in Iraq.
Or run away, again.
Say, is THAT why you chose a FRENCH name
to hide behind?
Mitchell Holman
"I think we should be worried about how many women
in the US are giving their kids misspelled common,
fake French and Muslim-sounding names"
"Pour Le Merite", himself using a "fake French name",
1/4/05
WF Peifer
>
> What potato-peeling job did *you* have in the military?
Only one potato-peeling job. And that's one out of three times pulling KP
while in basic. Other jobs in the military included "Infantryman",
"Information Specialist" and "Broadcast Specialist". Spent one of the last
two years about 15-20 miles ESE and the other about 180 miles SSE of your
Reston server. And that's more than you really have a need to know.
SaPeIsMa
"ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
news:zfCLe.31367$_41....@fe02.lga...
>
> How many children of Republican congressmen are in Iraq? Damn few.
>
While were at it, how many children of Democratic congressmen are in Iraq ?
Damn few or even fewer.
Interesting that you don't ask that question.
> How many children of the wealthy, conservative elite are in Iraq. Damn
> few.
>
While were at it, how many children of the wealthy liberal elite are in Iraq
?
Damn few or even fewer.
Interesting that you don't ask that question.
> It's a rich man's war and a poor man's fight! Just like in Vietnam!
>
OK ?
So what's your point ?
> Michael Moore made this issue one of the centerpieces of F-911:
>
That Hypocrite ?
No wonder you're an idiot.
SaPeIsMa
"Brian" <m...@me.com> wrote in message news:MtLLe.25674$084.22811@attbi_s22...
>
> Most of us refuse to fight for a President that is a FUCKING LIAR!That's
> why!!!!!And why aren't you in Iraq?!Do you have any children that are of
> age?If so why aren't they over there dying for your piece of shit
> President?!!!!
>
Well that's one way of covering up that you're a coward.
But explain one thing.
Why did the Democrats try to disenfranchise the Military from being able to
vote in the last two elections ?
Is it because the Military are in large part conservatives who vote
Republican ?
SaPeIsMa
> "JBP" <Sen_Ph...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:mXILe.5421$1b5.971@trnddc05:
>
>> The question should be "Why aren't ANY democrats volunteering to fight in
>> Iraq?"
>
>
> Can you name one member of this administration
> who has a son or daughter serving in Iraq?
>
> 56 military women have died in Iraq, and the
> Bush girls sit around the White House Rec Room
> playing video games and drying their nails.
>
> Is being a chickenhawk inheritable?
>
>
What was Hillary's daughter doing whle Daddy sent soldiers to Africa, the
Middle-East and Europe to be in harm's way ?
How many children of Democrats were in service when the Democrats sent
troops to hot spots in the world to get killed ?
PLMerite
> "PLMerite" <stoc...@smokebombhill.com> wrote in
> news:SEQLe.1477$Y55.1285@trnddc06:
>
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns96B2BAF5E...@216.196.97.131...
>>
>>>
>>>>> If you support the war so much, why aren't
>>>>> YOU serving in it? And no, waiting for the Bush
>>>>> girls to volunteer first is not acceptable.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I AM serving in it.
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't say.
>>>
>>> Proof?
>>>
>>> Prove to me you've ever done anything constructive and I might consider
> it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Gads, what IS it with you rightwingers
>>> making stupid claims and then running away
>>> when asked for proof?
>>
>> Sorry, when I retire in about 10 years I'll tell you. Until then, it's
>> too good a gig to screw with.
>
>
> So back up your claim that you are
> serving in the war in Iraq.
>
> Or run away, again.
>
> Say, is THAT why you chose a FRENCH name
> to hide behind?
How *are* things on Tatooine, little Mitch?
Haven't outgrown Star Wars yet, have you?
> Mitchell Holman
>
> "I think we should be worried about how many women
> in the US are giving their kids misspelled common,
> fake French and Muslim-sounding names"
> "Pour Le Merite", himself using a "fake French name",
> 1/4/05
Yup, I can tell you're losing it when you have to go searching.
What did you say you were doing to support the troops again, Mitchell? I
mean of course, American troops, not the ragheads trying to kill them.
Regards, PLMerite
--
"When contemplating...liberals, you really regret once again that John
Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John
Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize
that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright
traitors.” Ann Coulter
PLMerite
"Information Specialist," "Broadcast Specialist," sound like AFARTS to me.
Hope you're putting those skills to better use than bullshitting people on
the Internet.
David Moffitt
%%%% I asked you for proof that you were not a coward Mitch and you ran
away. :o)
Morton Davis
"The Bright Side" <So...@wonderful.life.com> wrote in message
news:42FF5245...@wonderful.life.com...
> omare...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > WF Peifer wrote:
> > > <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1124003184.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there? The
> > > > "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> > > > Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of
Monica
> > > > Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton -
or
> > > > any of her classmates?)
> > >
> > > Care to cite stats? Real ones . . . not ones pulled out of your ass.
> > >
> > > Didn't think so.
> >
> > 75% of the military is Republican to your unending horrors. Try not to
> > let that destroy you.
>
> Personally it's a sigh of relief when I read the flow of casualty reports.
> Darwinism at work.
>
>
Pity no "Iraqi insurgent" will get the opportunity to saw off your head with
a dull blade, FUCKTARD.
-*MORT*-
ClassWarz
<omare...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1124031639....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> ClassWarz wrote:
> > <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
> > news:1124003184.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there? The
> > > "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> > > Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of
Monica
> > > Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
> > > any of her classmates?)
> > >
> > > http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
> > >
> >
> > How many children of Republican congressmen are in Iraq? Damn few.
>
> Continue panicking.
You're in Dodge City, pard.
>
> >
> > How many children of the wealthy, conservative elite are in Iraq. Damn
few.
>
> How many children of the wealthy, liberal elite are in Iraq? Whoops!
The wealthy, liberal elite aren't the ones who are hell-bent on sending the
working class to fight their battles for them.
The hawkish rhetoric is coming from the chickenhawk right. Is it not
obvious to you that it is they who ought to be first in line at the
recruiting station?
Why, nothing less would be sheer hypocrisy!
>
> >
> > It's a rich man's war and a poor man's fight! Just like in Vietnam!
>
> No kidding, dipshit. Unfortunately that's not the theory you posited
> above. What a complete coward you are.
>
That is the theory I posit. It is at the core of the conservative's
hypocrisy!
> >
> > Michael Moore made this issue one of the centerpieces of F-911:
> >
> > www.michaelmoore.com
>
> Yes, Moore's hysterical stalking of congressmen was one of the funnier
> parts of that "documentary," for all the wrong reasons.
>
What reasons?
> >
> > Recruited from Red Nation, my eye! Haven't you been reading the news.
> > Fourteen killed on one day were from Kucinich's Ohio district! In F911,
> > Moore chronicles recruitment efforts in Blue Nation: Flint, Michigan!
>
> Yes, and that has relevance to the general state of the military in the
> rest of the country, how? Are you on drugs?
>
You snipped the precursor text; go put it back in again so you can answer
your own question.
This is a response to what you snipped, moron.
> >
> > Fifty seven million voted Republican last election, so how come we have
a
> > recruitment shortfall??? Are Republican voters a bunch of chickenhawks?
>
> Are Democrat voters a bunch of cowards who want others fighting wars
> for them? Don't worry, we all know the answer to that one.
This war is a Republican war, fought to obtain profits for the wealthy and
well-connected. Let them fight their own damn war!
>
> >
> > I thought all you Red Staters were patriots!
>
> No one thought you Blue Staters were.
>
Plenty of Blue Staters are dying in your Red Stater war!
ClassWarz
> >
> >
> >
> > Classwarz
>
ClassWarz
"Felix D." <#1Che...@OGPU.org> wrote in message
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>
> "ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
> news:zfCLe.31367$_41....@fe02.lga...
> >
> > news:1124003184.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Just who the hell do you think is fighting over there? The
> > > "tip-of-the-spear" outfits that are doing all the major fighting in
> > > Iraq are virtually totally recruited from Red Nation! (Heard of
Monica
> > > Lewinsky - or any of her classmates - enlisting? Chelsea Klinton - or
> > > any of her classmates?)
> >
>
This is a Republican war, this war is being fought for the benefit of the
wealthy and well-connected. Let them fight their own damn war!
ClassWarz
>
>
ClassWarz
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
> news:zfCLe.31367$_41....@fe02.lga...
> >
> > How many children of Republican congressmen are in Iraq? Damn few.
> >
>
> While were at it, how many children of Democratic congressmen are in Iraq
?
> Damn few or even fewer.
> Interesting that you don't ask that question.
It's a Republican war, fought for the benefit of those with wealth and
clout. Let those who benefit fight their own damn war!
>
> > How many children of the wealthy, conservative elite are in Iraq. Damn
> > few.
> >
>
> While were at it, how many children of the wealthy liberal elite are in
Iraq
> ?
> Damn few or even fewer.
> Interesting that you don't ask that question.
This is not their war. This is a war for corporate profit and control over
corporate oil interests in lands these corporations have no right to sully
with their very presence.
>
> > It's a rich man's war and a poor man's fight! Just like in Vietnam!
> >
>
> OK ?
> So what's your point ?
What better point can there be than that???
ClassWarz
Bret Cahill
Right after I start hyping democratizing Iraq as the MOST IMPORTANT
EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
Next question?
Bret Cahill
PLMerite
"ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
>
>
> This is not their war. This is a war for corporate profit and control
> over
> corporate oil interests in lands these corporations have no right to sully
> with their very presence.
How's that hybrid car of yours doing?
Regards, PLMerite
Mitchell Holman
@trnddc02:
Pretty brave words from a coward too
chickenshit to post his own name.
Why DO you hide behind a FRENCH name,
anyway?
>
>> Mitchell Holman
>>
>> "I think we should be worried about how many women
>> in the US are giving their kids misspelled common,
>> fake French and Muslim-sounding names"
>> "Pour Le Merite", himself using a "fake French name",
>> 1/4/05
>
> Yup, I can tell you're losing it when you have to go searching.
Oh, I kept that gem as proof of your cowardice
when you first posted it.
You claim you are civilian DoD contractor?
Post your proof right here:______________________
____________________________________________________
____________________________________________________
Mitchell Holman
$Je....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
You are not in a position to ask for proof
until you supply some.
Here is your claim that keep running away from.
"Clinton protested the US in a country that
was sending arms to kill our soldiers."
David Moffitt, 3/24/05. He has since run away
from all calls for proof of this claim.
So, are you going to post your proof, or run
away like you always do?
ClassWarz
The military is in large part working class teenagers trying to get money to
go to college or poor urban teenagers who can't find a job because the
wealthy conservative elites chose to outsource the manufacturing base
abroad. Get real--most of the these teens have yet to formulate their
political affiliation and most have yet to even enter a polling station.
By Republican, I mean dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, not some inexperienced
kids.
Why did Bush shirk combat duty in Vietnam, like Cheney and Quayle did? In
WWII, even the wealthy elites sent their kids to combat.
As I said, rich man's war, poor man's fight!
ClassWarz
>
>
ClassWarz
<omare...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ClassWarz wrote:
> > "Curtis" <curt...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:RM-dnZ2dnZ0b8jGqnZ2dn...@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > Ok I'm a republican and I will volunteer for the army
> >
> > No, you won't.
>
> Sure he will, considering 75% of the military is Republican. You won't
> though, since you're too much of a coward to fight for your country.
> Continue crying.
Cite.
The military is mostly working class; many of them are teens who have yet to
enter a polling station much less declare their political affiliation.
Most who join the military join for financial reasons, whether the lack of a
job or for college tuition.
I'll bet you a WMD that very few of the wealthy conservative elite and very
few of their sons and daughters are serving in Iraq.
ClassWarz
>
> >
> > Some working class person will fill in for you, while those on your side
of
> > the political fence work here at home to make life tougher for working
class
> > persons.
> >
> > Just like in Vietnam.
> >
> >
> > ClassWarz
> >
> > > and you go to Iraq as
> > > a human shield.
> > >
> > > "ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
> > > news:47BLe.57307$Tt6....@fe04.lga...
> > > > Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> > > >
> > > > Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
> > > >
> > > > There seems to be a bit of a recruit shortage these days. Come heed
the
> > > > call! Join up now!
> > > >
> > > > There are lots of IEDs to be defused; get yourself a choice job
clearing
> > > > these before all the slots fill up and the opportunity is gone!
It's
> > the
> > > > hot new way to get into the high tech workplace of the future! Are
you
> > > > going
> > > > to let all us working class types beat you to these chic new
careers?
> > > > Don't
> > > > delay! Sign up today!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ClassWarz
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
Robin Hood Zoro
David Moffitt
%%%% I supplied proof that I was not a coward by my military service.
Provide proof that you are not just another cowardly leftard Mitch.
>
> Here is your claim that keep running away from.
%%%% Quit trying to change the subject. :o)
ClassWarz
"Ken [NY]" <em...@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:23:54 -0500, "ClassWarz"
> <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> claims:
>
> >"Curtis" <curt...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:RM-dnZ2dnZ0b8jGqnZ2dn...@comcast.com...
> >>
> >> Ok I'm a republican and I will volunteer for the army
> >
> >No, you won't.
> >
of
> >the political fence work here at home to make life tougher for working
class
> >persons.
> >
> >Just like in Vietnam.
>
> Times survey of its readership (primarily career military officers and
> enlisted personnel)
How about a disinterested and independent source, not the "Military Times?"
Career military officers and enlisted are not reservists chafing under the
backdoor draft. Nor are they teenagers bamboozled into the military by
high-pressure recruiters, the lack of available jobs, or high college
tuition costs. You need to cite a statistically valid sample before you
call any poll "compelling evidence."
ClassWarz
, that reports of the demise of Bush's popularity
> were premature. By an astonishing 72 to 17 percent margin, the
> active-duty military personnel who took the survey favored Bush over
> Kerry (Guard and Reserve respondents favored Bush, 73 to 18 percent).
> Frankly, the margin greatly exceeds anything that I or any other
> analyst had expected.
> -Article in Washinton Post
>
>
> Cordially,
> Ken (NY)
>
> email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
>
> What we are responding to:
> http://www.pentagonattack911.com/wtc.htm
>
> "I'll have those niggers voting democrat for 200 years"
> -President Lyndon B. Johnson, D-TX remarked on the
> passage of the 1964 civil rights act
>
> spammers can send mail to u...@ftc.gov
ClassWarz
I walk to work. Small town. Get 40 mpg.
Am will to pay for the resource; I don't need corporate-military extortion
of the resource from the Arabs.
ClassWarz
>
>
> Regards, PLMerite
>
>
ClassWarz
<omare...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Still too much of a pussy to go over there and fight for your country,
> eh? No wonder you want Republicans fighting the war for you. Luckily
> the military's 75% Republican. Uh oh!
This war is not being fought for me or for you; it is for profits in the
pockets of the wealthy investor class. Republican elites don't give a damn
about me or you.
Only a fool would fight for a cause he has no stake in; only an evil-doer
would invade a nation that has not attacked us.
ClassWarz
>
> ClassWarz wrote:
> > Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> >
> > Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
> >
ClassWarz
"Ken [NY]" <em...@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:55:10 -0500, "ClassWarz"
>
> >Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> >
> >Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
>
> mostly come from "red states" are Democrats? I think you have it
> backwards. Remember, Mr. Bush won the military vote in both
> presidential elections. (By a staggering margin of 4 to 1 in 2004)
Only careerists, by your own citation--the "Military Times."
You conveniently excluded the backdoor draft reservists and new recruits.
Given that 57 million voted Republican, why do I still see articles citing a
shortage of recruits?
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/07/Opinion/The_military_s_enlist.shtml
You mention only those who have already enlisted; my original post questions
why millions of Republican voters have not enlisted.
Oughtn't there to be a million Republican recruits just chafing at the bit
to serve in Iraq? One would think so given their rhetoric.
Why aren't there more Republicans VOLUNTEERING to fight in Iraq?
ClassWarz
> So if there is a shortage of recruits, shouldn't they come
> from the Democrats in the big cities who have mostly sat out the war
> on terrorism?
ClassWarz
"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> ClassWarz wrote:
>
> > Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> >
> > Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
>
> are Republicans; only a minority are Democrats. In fact, the U.S.
> officer corps is *overwhelmingly* Republican.
Where are the rest of them? One would think that amongst 57 million
Republican voters in 2004, one would not see articles like this:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/07/Opinion/The_military_s_enlist.shtml
You cite the officer corps, but what about the backdoor draft reservists and
what about the newer recruits? What percentage of them are Bush-friendly,
as it were? How did you get your numbers and did you use statistically
valid methods?
ClassWarz
>
> So it would seem that more Republicans have volunteered to join the
> military than Democrats.
>
>
> --
> Steven D. Litvintchouk
> Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
>
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
ClassWarz
"David Moffitt" <moffitcl@weaselstomping..com> wrote in message
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>
> "Asmodeus" <bo...@Xadelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns96B2C2290951Bas...@216.196.97.142...
> >> consider it.
> >
> >
> > http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/07/welcome-aboard.html
>
>
> %%%% Amen. We need more Americans like Q and less socialist surrender
> monkeys like Mitch.
Socialist surrender monkey???
You can't be serious. The insurgents are outnumbered ten to one, yet our
military and political leadership after over two years and hundreds of
billions of dollars has not defeated them. All our leaders know how to do
is send our troops in dubious patrols thru ambush country--then it's back to
base to do the same thing over again tomorrow. Just like in Vietnam.
Fascist incompetence monkey. Republican bungle monkey. Conservative
failure monkey.
ClassWarz
>
>
> >
> >
> > --
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>
>
ClassWarz
>
> "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96B2BAF5E...@216.196.97.131...
>
> >
> >
> > making stupid claims and then running away
> > when asked for proof?
>
too
> good a gig to screw with.
Hey, I am a four star general who drove the Germans out of Normandy in WWII.
How cool a gig is that?
LOL!
ClassWarz
>
> Unlike whatever pissant job you're qualified to do.
>
>
> > Mitchell Holman
ClassWarz
> "ClassWarz" <N...@ObedienceSkills.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Hey all you Republican-leaning faux patriots!
> >
> > Why are there so few of you volunteering to serve in Iraq???
> >
> > call! Join up now!
>
> those dangerous "blue" neighborhoods, where almost all of the military
> recruiting offices are.
Bullseye! All the recruiting offices are in the working class section of my
city.
ClassWarz
>
>
ClassWarz
"Robin Hood Zoro" <rbnh...@N0SPAM.Z0R0.0RG> wrote in message
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I leave the groups for five months to see that you have not progressed at
all.
ClassWarz