Once again, the VCT and their minions demonstrate to us that their drive
is not the issue of illegal immigration, but one that is quite purely
based on hate and against anything that is Mexican and/or Latino. (Baja
Rat's recent racist diatribe against Puerto Ricans, American citizens,
comes to mind.) My understanding is that the mission of VCT is to
tighten the borders, and stem the flow of illegal immigration, from all
countries. What does that have to do with a historic mural, painted
years ago by American citizens?
Granted, I find communism and socialism distasteful, however I would
like to see the mural. Art is art, and its commentary is that of the
artist. In the free market of ideas that our democracy is supposed to
be about, its up to the individual viewer to embrace or reject that
commentary. What is VCT so afraid of?
The mural itself was censored (whitewashed) by the
White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant (the racial/ethnic/religious stock of which
I come from) power structure of Los Angeles of the day. As the
descendants of WASPs myself (which by the way would back then would have
pegged an Irishman like Baja Rat at about the level of chihuahua), I am
ashamed that this happened.
The Getty is a private organization and can choose to pursue whatever
projects it wants. If some donor is offended, they can refuse to give
and/or not visit the museum. I'm glad to see that the Getty is
approaching some aspect of the city's history and isn't solely a brie &
chablis hangout for Westsiders to view the latest Picasso. Art is
supposed to be controversial, and the Getty should be praised for
willing to approach something as such.
The VCT has always claimed that they are not about race. But it looks
like with this, and Baja's views on Puerto Ricans, that the VCT has
exposed themselves for the hate-mongers that they are. Baja's response
to this will only demonstrate that further.
Then youre wrong. VCT may not have been founded as a hate group,
but it has become one for what its worth. Tyndall and Lorenz are not only
all over the VCT site but can also be found on " White nationalist " sites
like the British National Party and American Renaissance.
What does that have to do with a historic mural, painted
> years ago by American citizens?
Exactly ! Siqueiros' assistants were all American, and a certain Jackson
Pollock who was among them, wound up becoming one of America's most reknowned
painters of the century, although in my opinion he was responsible for
a large amount of garbage in terms of influencing Abstract Expressionism
and Informalism. However thats beside the point here.
> Granted, I find communism and socialism distasteful, however I would
> like to see the mural.
Communism was an evil philosophy, however it was part of the history of
this almost expired century, and the mural was a key landmark of the art
of the twentieth century. Siqueiros in any estimation would be considered
one of modernism's greats, and his work is found in museums worldwide.
PRI and PAN governments in Mexico can put aside his political views enough
to recognise his immense contributions to Mexico and to culture in general.
Art is art, and its commentary is that of the
> artist. In the free market of ideas that our democracy is supposed to
> be about, its up to the individual viewer to embrace or reject that
> commentary. What is VCT so afraid of?
My sentiments exactly !
> The mural itself was censored (whitewashed) by the
> White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant (the racial/ethnic/religious stock of which
> I come from) power structure of Los Angeles of the day. As the
> descendants of WASPs myself (which by the way would back then would have
> pegged an Irishman like Baja Rat at about the level of chihuahua), I am
> ashamed that this happened.
For many years the Irish carried a bad rep. In fact, Jewish and Italian
gangsters in 19th century America often gave themselves Irish names
because those names were considered to be more appropriate for gangsters!
Carl Sandberg in his biography of Abraham Lincoln wrote that the Irish
lived in conditions just as bad as the slaves in mid 19th century America,
and if the southern politicians had been hip enough they would have
countered the abolitionists by stating the conditions of the Irish in
Boston and New York. Even as late as 1928, Gov.Al Smith of New York's
ethnicity was considered a drawback ( although the main reason why he
lost the presidency was his heavy Brooklyn accent ). Of course the Irish
wound up contributing more to the USA than any other ethnicity in its
history, and succeeded enough that the stereotypes became softened into
affectionate nostalgia ( at least outside of NYC's Hells Kitchen and the
" Westies " ). But the prejudice and stereotypes at one time were very,
very real. BTW many writers and other observers, such as Ron Unz ( the
California GOP's last best hope )have noted the cultural similarities between
Irish and Mexicans,and the Irish were called " the Mexicans of Europe "
long before Salinas went into hiding in the Emerald Isle.
> The Getty is a private organization and can choose to pursue whatever
> projects it wants. If some donor is offended, they can refuse to give
> and/or not visit the museum. I'm glad to see that the Getty is
> approaching some aspect of the city's history and isn't solely a brie &
> chablis hangout for Westsiders to view the latest Picasso.
BTW, Picasso also was a communist for many years as well, and as a result
was banned from Spain for 35 years.
Art is
> supposed to be controversial, and the Getty should be praised for
> willing to approach something as such.
>
> The VCT has always claimed that they are not about race.
At least Spencer claims this - and at least originally Spencer WAS VCT,
despite mentioning a " co-founder ". VCT stonewalls on this as they do
on many issues.
But it looks
> like with this, and Baja's views on Puerto Ricans, that the VCT has
> exposed themselves for the hate-mongers that they are. Baja's response
> to this will only demonstrate that further.
>
Which so far has been absent...
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