Spencer VCT-BajaRat racist & pedophile
Filly
(before it changed servers):
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>
>Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
>Date: 1995/12/23
>Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
>X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
>Reply-To: BajaRat
>Newsgroups:
>alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
>alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
>alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
>alt.binaries.pictures.girls
>alt.sex.anal,
>alt.sex.pedophilia,
>alt.sex.pre-Teens
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Dotdotdotcom
cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
>
>
> In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> # (before it changed servers):
> #
> # Date: 1996/06/15
> # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >
> # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> # >Date: 1995/12/23
> # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> # >Newsgroups:
> #
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> # >alt.sex.anal,
> # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
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Dotdotdotcom
cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> In ny.general Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> #
> # cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> #
> # > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
> #
> # When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
> # perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
>
> Why, no.
>
> Check out the newsgroups for this thread.
>
> Any more questions?
So you're saying that he has a healthy, scientific interest in pedophiles, as
well as pre-teen sex, bondage, and teen erotica? Interesting point of view.
B. Young
Tiny Human Ferret
You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
God what a dolt!
He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
And only _your sort of scum_ would condemn someone _for removing filth from
the InterNet_.
Child molester!
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hc23hc
>
> Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> >
> > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
> > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
>
> You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
>
> God what a dolt!
>
> He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
When BajaRat covers his tracks, along comes Tiny to
cover for the Rat. VCT - not so much teamwork, as
hive mentality.
.
.
.
Filly
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> >
> > cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> >
> > > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
> >
> > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect
that
> > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
>
> You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
>
> God what a dolt!
>
> He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
>
> And only _your sort of scum_ would condemn someone _for removing filth
from
> the InterNet_.
BajaRat tried to cover his tracks after
he was found out, but you already knew that, Ferret.
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Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> >
> > cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> >
> > > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
> >
> > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
> > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
>
> You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
>
> God what a dolt!
>
> He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
>
> And only _your sort of scum_ would condemn someone _for removing filth from
> the InterNet_.
>
> Child molester!
Idiot! He's canceling his own posts. You can't cancel other's posts.
Nice going, Eunuch Engineer.
--
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> > >
> > > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
> >
> > You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
> >
> > God what a dolt!
> >
> > He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
>
> cover for the Rat. VCT - not so much teamwork, as
> hive mentality.
What a crock of pus.
Only you would waste a moment apologizing for imbecility.
It's like the fool used the fact that the sun is shining as proof that it's
night.
And is too STUPID to notice it.
Rosanna Rosanna Annadanna is twice as smart as Spot. At least she has the
sense to realize she's wrong and say "never mind". Spot however is just too
stupid to notice he's wrong, and wneh told he's wrong, will simply argue
endlessly that UseNet doesn't exist, and if it did, it wouldn't work, and if
it worked, it wouldn't work by the rules. Not just a fuckhead, but an
IGNORANT fuckhead.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
> > >
> > > cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
> > >
> > > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
> > > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
> >
> > You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
> >
> > God what a dolt!
> >
> > He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
> >
> > And only _your sort of scum_ would condemn someone _for removing filth from
> > the InterNet_.
> >
> > Child molester!
>
If that's what you think, you really need to spend some time in
news:news.admin.net-abuse.usenet -- you clearly haven't got a clue.
Well, I guess I can rule out the possibility that the reason your account
isn't yanked is because you are a news-admin at EarthStink...
> Nice going, Eunuch Engineer.
I'd be real happy to prove you wrong, but I -- unlike you -- cannot support
criminal activity.
You probably think you're the top of the heap in terms of being able to
"forge" your headers by removing your actual account name and substitute
"Spot", don't you.
Idiot.
hc23hc
>
> Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
> > > >
> > > > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
> > > > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
> > >
> > > You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
> > >
> >
>
> If that's what you think, you really need to spend some time in
> news:news.admin.net-abuse.usenet -- you clearly haven't got a clue.
>
> Well, I guess I can rule out the possibility that the reason your account
> isn't yanked is because you are a news-admin at EarthStink...
OK, leaving aside your resentment of the Hubbards, if you're such
an asset to net management, go ahead and isolate the forged cancels,
if any, relating to BajaRat's many documented excursions into the
realm of online pedophilia. It seems beyond dispute at this point
that BajaRat the VCT psychobilly mouthpiece first posted the filth,
then later went back and canceled it in the simplistic belief that it
would just sorta go away by itself after that. You're suspiciously
energetic in buttressing that erroneous assumption, Tiny. Check
your position, please.
> > > > >
> > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > #
> > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >
> > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > #
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
.
.
.
Filly
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
BajaRat posted to one of the "kiddy
site" as usuall, but tried to cancel them.
This is only one of those postings Ferret,
but you are well aware of that, and continue
to protect the racist pedophile freaks.
# This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> # (before it changed servers):
> #
> # Date: 1996/06/15
> # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >
> # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> # >Date: 1995/12/23
> # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> # >Newsgroups:
> #
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> # >alt.sex.anal,
> # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
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Tiny Human Ferret
>
> In article <39ED638D...@clark.net>,
> Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>
> BajaRat posted to one of the "kiddy
> site" as usuall, but tried to cancel them.
> This is only one of those postings Ferret,
> but you are well aware of that, and continue
> to protect the racist pedophile freaks.
Judy, you're flagrantly psychotic. Floridly so, in fact.
Still managing to evade the Involuntary Outpatient Committment squad, eh?
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > cyp...@punk.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
> > > > >
> > > > > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
> > > > > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
> > > >
> > > > You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > If that's what you think, you really need to spend some time in
> > news:news.admin.net-abuse.usenet -- you clearly haven't got a clue.
> >
> > Well, I guess I can rule out the possibility that the reason your account
> > isn't yanked is because you are a news-admin at EarthStink...
>
> OK, leaving aside your resentment of the Hubbards, if you're such
> an asset to net management, go ahead and isolate the forged cancels,
> if any, relating to BajaRat's many documented excursions into the
> realm of online pedophilia. It seems beyond dispute at this point
> that BajaRat the VCT psychobilly mouthpiece first posted the filth,
> then later went back and canceled it in the simplistic belief that it
> would just sorta go away by itself after that. You're suspiciously
> energetic in buttressing that erroneous assumption, Tiny. Check
> your position, please.
This is the most outrageous bullshit coming from you.
There's no way to research this since Deja doesn't go back that far anymore,
there's no way to get a statistically-valid sampling of paths so as to
accurately assess from which server the "legitimate" BajaRat posted and thus
I can't compare.
It's also quite common for people to find objectionable posts in various
groups, and simply forge the alias@address of the poster, and thus most
servers will honor the cancels without question (or would at that time) --
hell, that's what the HipCrime 'bot was all about at first, morphing around
the net and automatically changing 'nym so as to cancel entire groups full
of crap content. (Unfortunately it fell into the wrong hands, but that's
another story.)
Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > # >
> > > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > > #
> > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
>
> .
> .
> .
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
A post in Deja can only be canceled by a request coming from the same address as
contained in that post. And, all communication about that cancellation must also
originate from that same address, so forging an address would not cause the post to
be canceled, as the forger would never get the authorizing reply from Deja. For a
EUNUCH engineer, you sure are ignorant about this basic stuff.
But perhaps this is just another lie :)
>
>
> It's also quite common for people to find objectionable posts in various
> groups, and simply forge the alias@address of the poster, and thus most
> servers will honor the cancels without question (or would at that time) --
It won't work! And never has worked. Prove it by canceling this post using that
same technique.
You can't, nit wit!
>
> hell, that's what the HipCrime 'bot was all about at first, morphing around
> the net and automatically changing 'nym so as to cancel entire groups full
> of crap content. (Unfortunately it fell into the wrong hands, but that's
> another story.)
Delusion, not story. Delusion! The sooner you begin to call it by it by the right
name, the closer you will get to getting well.
>
>
> Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
> pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
> being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
> prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
It's been proven, time and again, by several posters.
--
hc23hc
> there's no way to get a statistically-valid sampling of paths so as to
> accurately assess from which server the "legitimate" BajaRat posted and thus
> I can't compare.
You had plenty of time before the changes at Deja, but enough people have
looked into it before you got off your posterior, knowing you'd arrived at
the party not fashionably, but deliberately too late.
> It's also quite common for people to find objectionable posts in various
> groups, and simply forge the alias@address of the poster, and thus most
> servers will honor the cancels without question (or would at that time) --
Irrelevant and outdated ... practically misinformative of you.
Any good reasons for your extraordinary charity towards the old
pedophile known as BajaRat ?
> Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
> pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
> being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
> prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
I shouldn't have to be the one to explain to an important figure in the
information technology business such as yourself that only BajaRat could
have canceled his own post(s) and that he had plenty of reasons for
wanting to do this. Since the only alibi which you can concoct for the
VCT mouthpiece is the least likely story imaginable, it appears that the
liar here is you, Tiny. And why would you want to do that, again ?
Filly
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> Filly wrote:
> >
> > In article <39ED638D...@clark.net>,
> > Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> >
> > BajaRat posted to one of the "kiddy
> > site" as usuall, but tried to cancel them.
> > This is only one of those postings Ferret,
> > but you are well aware of that, and continue
> > to protect the racist pedophile freaks.
>
> Judy, you're flagrantly psychotic.
So Klaatu Ferret, why do you protect
a racist pedophile like BajaRat, and non stop?
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"Filly" <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8t5jd1$cfo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <39F64938...@clark.net>,> > Filly wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <39F4EA93...@clark.net>,
> > > Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> > > > Filly wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <39ED638D...@clark.net>,
> > > > > Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > BajaRat posted to one of the "kiddy
> > > > > site" as usuall, but tried to cancel them.
> > > > > This is only one of those postings Ferret,
> > > > > but you are well aware of that, and continue
> > > > > to protect the racist pedophile freaks.
> > > >
> > > > Judy, you're flagrantly psychotic.
> > >
> > > a racist pedophile like BajaRat, and non stop?
> >
>
> You protect a known pedophile who
> is connected at the butt to Spencer's
> VCT (AmPatrol) racist organization,
> who is ripping off Americans even as
> we post. What does Klaatu Ferret gain
> by this association with such a group?
> Birds of a feather? Why do you post
> to pre teen "chat rooms" Klaatu?????
That must be a very effective artificial breathing apparatus
that allows you to keep your head up your ass for
extended periods of time, Silly. As usual, since you can't
offer anything of substance, you make false accusations,
and hope by repeating them, to make them stick.
Typical Lefty Liberal in action. That's why the others
have pegged you as an idiot...
hc23hc
Not legally, but that seems to leave you cold. So much for your aspiration
to professionalism, Tiny.
> Whether or not the cancel is honored is entirely
> up to the server administrator; so many forged cancels have been issued that
> most servers do not honor them unless they come from accredited sources.
So what you appear to be saying now is that someone who is *not* BajaRat of
VCT, who was indeed booted off ix.netcom.com, forged cancels of his solicitation
of underage male prostitutes, and that this macabre circumstance is fine by you.
Whereas, it is infinitely more probable that BajaRat undertook the cancels himself.
In your intoxication with netadmin trivia, you have actually blown his cover once
and for all. Well done, Tiny, even if you didn't really mean to do well at all.
<major block of irrelevant Linux-degrading trivia snipped>
>
> How the hell do you think they cancel SPAM?
They take you outside when it's dark and stick lots of toothpicks in you ?
> > and that he had plenty of reasons for
> > wanting to do this. Since the only alibi which you can concoct for the
> > VCT mouthpiece is the least likely story imaginable, it appears that the
> > liar here is you, Tiny. And why would you want to do that, again ?
>
> I wouldn't. I also am not lying.
You've gone to amazing lengths to fabricate absurd excuses for the arch
blaggard and sexual deviant known as BajaRat. You're churning out one
nonsensical scenario after another to try covering for him and his abject
perversion and violent racist campaigns. You already crossed the line into
falsehood and forgery too often and now you expect to be mistaken for
anything but a rotten misshapen little liar ? No dice, Tiny.
<yet more inane klaatu excreta flushed>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >
> > > > > > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
.
.
.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> In article <39F4EA93...@clark.net>,
> Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> > Filly wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <39ED638D...@clark.net>,
> > > Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > BajaRat posted to one of the "kiddy
> > > site" as usuall, but tried to cancel them.
> > > This is only one of those postings Ferret,
> > > but you are well aware of that, and continue
> > > to protect the racist pedophile freaks.
> >
> > Judy, you're flagrantly psychotic.
>
> a racist pedophile like BajaRat, and non stop?
It has yet to be demonstrated that he's a pedophile.
All that has been demonstrated is that someone posting as BajaRat cancelled
a post in newsgroups known for pornography.
It might not even be BajaRat, and it might not have even been pr0n that got
cancelled.
Tiny Human Ferret
And perhaps, you pretentious baboon masquerading as a hominid, if you will
look at the headers you will see that the cmsg cancel, and the post in
question, originated at nntp.ix.netcom.com and not at Deja; hence whatever
Deja's cancel policies are make no goddamned difference, since UseNet exists
entirely apart from Deja.
>
> >
> >
> > It's also quite common for people to find objectionable posts in various
> > groups, and simply forge the alias@address of the poster, and thus most
> > servers will honor the cancels without question (or would at that time) --
>
> It won't work! And never has worked. Prove it by canceling this post using that
> same technique.
> You can't, nit wit!
I like my job, dicknose, or I would be exceptionally happy to run
CancelMoose (or SpamHippo) on all instances of posts by yourself.
So, to rephrase, I absolutely _can_ cancel you, but I _may not_. That would
be UseNet Abuse. As a sysadmin with a reputation to conserve, not even for
the likes of your sorry ass will I cancel your posts.
Anyone else with lesser ethics than mine own is cordially invited to erase
this scum from the pond.
>
> >
> > hell, that's what the HipCrime 'bot was all about at first, morphing around
> > the net and automatically changing 'nym so as to cancel entire groups full
> > of crap content. (Unfortunately it fell into the wrong hands, but that's
> > another story.)
>
> Delusion, not story. Delusion! The sooner you begin to call it by it by the right
> name, the closer you will get to getting well.
Still trying to Gaslight people, eh, Spotty?
>
> >
> >
> > Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
> > pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
> > being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
> > prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
>
> It's been proven, time and again, by several posters.
I haven't seen it. Cites, please.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >
> > > > > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
--
Tiny Human Ferret
Anyone can forge a cancel. Whether or not the cancel is honored is entirely
up to the server administrator; so many forged cancels have been issued that
most servers do not honor them unless they come from accredited sources.
Whether or not a specific browser will allow a cancel to be sent after a
message with a different ID address than that of the message, this is
totally browser dependent -- Netscape won't allow it, nor will Outhouse
Express, nor most recent versions of `tin`. However, older versions of `tin`
certainly allowed that, and in any case, source code is available which can
be easily hacked to allow one to send cancels after messages not one's own,
or for that matter to suck every name out of a given newsgroup, ID all of
the messages with specific addresses, and remove some or all of any given
users' messages.
How the hell do you think they cancel SPAM?
> and that he had plenty of reasons for
> wanting to do this. Since the only alibi which you can concoct for the
> VCT mouthpiece is the least likely story imaginable, it appears that the
> liar here is you, Tiny. And why would you want to do that, again ?
I wouldn't. I also am not lying.
You, however, are a clueless newbie and completely incomprehending of the
mechanisms you are abusing whenever you post to UseNet. Suffice it to say,
you have only made yourself appear to be either a willful lying fuckhead
misrepresenting issues for personal vanity, or one of the most laughably
clueless newbie who is completely incomprehending of even the slightest of
the inner workings of the tools you use daily.
>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >
> > > > > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
--
Filly
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> Filly wrote:
> >
> > In article <39F4EA93...@clark.net>,
> > Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> > > Filly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <39ED638D...@clark.net>,
> > > > Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > BajaRat posted to one of the "kiddy
> > > > site" as usuall, but tried to cancel them.
> > > > This is only one of those postings Ferret,
> > > > but you are well aware of that, and continue
> > > > to protect the racist pedophile freaks.
> > >
> > > Judy, you're flagrantly psychotic.
> >
> > So Klaatu Ferret, why do you protect
> > a racist pedophile like BajaRat, and non stop?
>
> It has yet to be demonstrated that he's a pedophile.
You protect a known pedophile who
is connected at the butt to Spencer's
VCT (AmPatrol) racist organization,
who is ripping off Americans even as
we post. What does Klaatu Ferret gain
by this association with such a group?
Birds of a feather? Why do you post
to pre teen "chat rooms" Klaatu?????
Subject: Re: "BajaRat" is not only a racist, he's a pedophile
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
>
>Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
>Date: 1995/12/23
>Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
>X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
>Reply-To: BajaRat
>Newsgroups:
>alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
>alt.sex.anal,
>alt.sex.pedophilia,
>alt.sex.pre-Teens
hc23hc
>
> Filly wrote:
> >
> > So Klaatu Ferret, why do you protect
> > a racist pedophile like BajaRat, and non stop?
>
> It has yet to be demonstrated that he's a pedophile.
>
> All that has been demonstrated is that someone posting as BajaRat cancelled
> a post in newsgroups known for pornography.
>
> It might not even be BajaRat, and it might not have even been pr0n that got
> cancelled.
BajaRat himself admitted that the porn was issuing from his computer.
Then he tried to outdo himself and claimed that it had been going on
for *five years* under his nose, by a "disgruntled employee". But at
no time did financial ne'er do well BajaRat ever *have* any employees
except in the biblical sense ...
So where's your blissfully ignorant argument now, Tiny ?
.
.
.
Tiny Human Ferret
Judy, I do not now, nor have I ever, posted to teen chat rooms.
I have no association with VCT.
You have not proven in any way, nor has anyone else, that VCT is "ripping
off Americans".
Nobody so far as I know has proven that BajaRat is a pedophile, known or
otherwise.
Why do you lie, Judy? Why do you make false accusations?
>
> Subject: Re: "BajaRat" is not only a racist, he's a pedophile
> Date: 1996/06/15
> Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
>
> >This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> >
> >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> >Date: 1995/12/23
> >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> >Reply-To: BajaRat
> >Newsgroups:
> >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> >alt.sex.anal,
> >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> >alt.sex.pre-Teens
--
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > Filly wrote:
> > >
> > > a racist pedophile like BajaRat, and non stop?
> >
> > It has yet to be demonstrated that he's a pedophile.
> >
> > All that has been demonstrated is that someone posting as BajaRat cancelled
> > a post in newsgroups known for pornography.
> >
> > It might not even be BajaRat, and it might not have even been pr0n that got
> > cancelled.
>
> Then he tried to outdo himself and claimed that it had been going on
> for *five years* under his nose, by a "disgruntled employee". But at
> no time did financial ne'er do well BajaRat ever *have* any employees
> except in the biblical sense ...
>
> So where's your blissfully ignorant argument now, Tiny ?
I have only your statement that BajaRat ever admitted that.
Cites, please.
Tiny Human Ferret
Again you display to all that your brain is firmly esconced in a crock of
shit.
People who forge cancels aren't concerned about legalities, as a rule. I,
however, am concerned about legalities and also about forged cancels. I
don't forge cancels. Your statement was entirely nonsequitur.
>
> > Whether or not the cancel is honored is entirely
> > up to the server administrator; so many forged cancels have been issued that
> > most servers do not honor them unless they come from accredited sources.
>
> So what you appear to be saying now is that someone who is *not* BajaRat of
> VCT, who was indeed booted off ix.netcom.com, forged cancels of his solicitation
I have no record of this. Care to provide one? Can't? Won't?
> of underage male prostitutes, and that this macabre circumstance is fine by you.
If it was BajaRat who posted the alleged article, why would he need to forge
a cancel? He could just issue one via standard procedure. Why would I need
to approve or disapprove if he's canceling his own posts? For that matter,
how do I know that the posts he cancelled weren't forgeries issued under his
name to discredit him?
> Whereas, it is infinitely more probable that BajaRat undertook the cancels himself.
Sure, it's just as probable that someone forged his name to a discreditation
attempt, and he noticed it and cancelled it.
> In your intoxication with netadmin trivia, you have actually blown his cover once
> and for all.
Only in the minds of wackos such as yourself who leap to entirely
unwarranted conclusions.
> Well done, Tiny, even if you didn't really mean to do well at all.
>
><technical discussion of UseNet cancellation technology, snipped>
> >
> > How the hell do you think they cancel SPAM?
>
> They take you outside when it's dark and stick lots of toothpicks in you ?
That wouldn't have a lot of effect on UseNet news servers.
>
> > > and that he had plenty of reasons for
> > > wanting to do this. Since the only alibi which you can concoct for the
> > > VCT mouthpiece is the least likely story imaginable, it appears that the
> > > liar here is you, Tiny. And why would you want to do that, again ?
> >
> > I wouldn't. I also am not lying.
>
> You've gone to amazing lengths to fabricate absurd excuses for the arch
> blaggard and sexual deviant known as BajaRat. You're churning out one
> nonsensical scenario after another to try covering for him and his abject
No, you pathetic mouthpiece and slimeball-rolling underhanded pitcher of
character assassinations, I am not. You are preconvicting the suspect and I
am examining all possibilities.
> perversion and violent racist campaigns. You already crossed the line into
> falsehood and forgery
Me, forgery? Got a cite to back that up?
> too often and now you expect to be mistaken for
> anything but a rotten misshapen little liar ?
pot.kettle.black
--
Filly
"Stan Rothwell" <roth...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> "Filly" <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8t5jd1$cfo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> that allows you to keep your head up your ass for
> extended periods of time
The "Roth-Chihuahua" is one of
those connected at the butt to the
racist pedophiles.
Filly
> > BajaRat himself admitted that the porn was issuing from his
> computer.
>
> I have only your statement that BajaRat ever admitted that.
Why are you so concerned about a known
white supremacist like BajaRat who also is
a known pedophile? Duh, maybe because you
post to pre-teen chat rooms has something
to do with it? Or is the racist aspect of
BajaRat which draws you to the swine?
Filly
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
It's the pedophile part of the
racist organization-BajaRat that pulls
you towards them, eh Klaatu Ferret, so
you accept what ever, even when they
advocate "shooting Americans on sight".
You are sick Ferret, get help asap please sir.
> hc23hc wrote:
> > > > Irrelevant and outdated ... practically misinformative of you.
> > > > Any good reasons for your extraordinary charity towards the old
> > > > pedophile known as BajaRat ?
> > You've gone to amazing lengths to fabricate absurd excuses for the
arch
> > blaggard and sexual deviant known as BajaRat. You're churning out
one
> > nonsensical scenario after another to try covering for him and his
abject
>
> No, you pathetic mouthpiece and slimeball-rolling underhanded pitcher
of
> character assassinations, I am not. You are preconvicting the suspect
and I
> am examining all possibilities.
>
> > perversion and violent racist campaigns. You already crossed the
line into
> > falsehood and forgery
>
================================
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
Who said anything about Deja's policy?
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's also quite common for people to find objectionable posts in various
> > > groups, and simply forge the alias@address of the poster, and thus most
> > > servers will honor the cancels without question (or would at that time) --
> >
> > It won't work! And never has worked. Prove it by canceling this post using that
> > same technique.
> > You can't, nit wit!
>
> I like my job, dicknose, or I would be exceptionally happy to run
> CancelMoose (or SpamHippo) on all instances of posts by yourself.
>
> So, to rephrase, I absolutely _can_ cancel you, but I _may not_. That would
> be UseNet Abuse. As a sysadmin with a reputation to conserve, not even for
> the likes of your sorry ass will I cancel your posts.
>
> Anyone else with lesser ethics than mine own is cordially invited to erase
> this scum from the pond.
Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone else, and you
know it.
I personally give you my permission to cancel this post as a demonstration of what you
say is true.
I accept all responsibility for authorizing this cancellation, and I invite you to
demonstrate that what you have said is accurate. There, now where is your excuse?????
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > hell, that's what the HipCrime 'bot was all about at first, morphing around
> > > the net and automatically changing 'nym so as to cancel entire groups full
> > > of crap content. (Unfortunately it fell into the wrong hands, but that's
> > > another story.)
> >
> > Delusion, not story. Delusion! The sooner you begin to call it by it by the right
> > name, the closer you will get to getting well.
>
> Still trying to Gaslight people, eh, Spotty?
Is that your latest adolescent fixation?
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
> > > pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
> > > being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
> > > prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
> >
> > It's been proven, time and again, by several posters.
>
> I haven't seen it. Cites, please.
That you haven't seen them (itself a lie!) doesn't preclude their existence.
Look it up for yourself.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >
> > > > > > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >Control: cancel <30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
>
" ' "
I R A Darth Aggie
hc23hc <hc2...@artlink.ne>, in
<39F68D46...@artlink.ne> wrote:
+ Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
+ >
+ > hc23hc wrote:
+ > >
+ > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
+ > > >
+ > > > hc23hc wrote:
+ > > > >
+ > > > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
+ > > > > >
+ > > > > > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
+ > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
+ > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
+ > > > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > > > cyp...@punk.net wrote:
+ > > > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > > > > And just how does this make someone a pedophile?
+ > > > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > > > When someone post to alt.sex.pedofilia, wouldn't you just suspect that
+ > > > > > > > > perhaps they were interested in pedofilia?
+ > > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > > You fucking imbecile, it's a cmsg cancel!
+ > > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > > He's _removing_ pedophile filth from the InterNet!
+ > > > > > >
+ > > > > > > Idiot! He's canceling his own posts. You can't cancel other's posts.
+ > > > > >
+ > > > > > If that's what you think, you really need to spend some time in
+ > > > > > news:news.admin.net-abuse.usenet -- you clearly haven't got a clue.
+ > > > > >
+ > > > > > Well, I guess I can rule out the possibility that the reason your account
+ > > > > > isn't yanked is because you are a news-admin at EarthStink...
+ > > > >
+ > > > > OK, leaving aside your resentment of the Hubbards, if you're such
+ > > > > an asset to net management, go ahead and isolate the forged cancels,
+ > > > > if any, relating to BajaRat's many documented excursions into the
+ > > > > realm of online pedophilia. It seems beyond dispute at this point
+ > > > > that BajaRat the VCT psychobilly mouthpiece first posted the filth,
+ > > > > then later went back and canceled it in the simplistic belief that it
+ > > > > would just sorta go away by itself after that. You're suspiciously
+ > > > > energetic in buttressing that erroneous assumption, Tiny. Check
+ > > > > your position, please.
+ > > >
+ > > > There's no way to research this since Deja doesn't go back that far anymore,
+ > > > there's no way to get a statistically-valid sampling of paths so as to
+ > > > accurately assess from which server the "legitimate" BajaRat posted and thus
+ > > > I can't compare.
+ > >
+ > > You had plenty of time before the changes at Deja, but enough people have
+ > > looked into it before you got off your posterior, knowing you'd arrived at
+ > > the party not fashionably, but deliberately too late.
+ > >
+ > > > It's also quite common for people to find objectionable posts in various
+ > > > groups, and simply forge the alias@address of the poster, and thus most
+ > > > servers will honor the cancels without question (or would at that time) --
+ > >
+ > > Irrelevant and outdated ... practically misinformative of you.
+ > > Any good reasons for your extraordinary charity towards the old
+ > > pedophile known as BajaRat ?
+ > >
+ > > > Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
+ > > > pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
+ > > > being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
+ > > > prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
+ > >
+ > > I shouldn't have to be the one to explain to an important figure in the
+ > > information technology business such as yourself that only BajaRat could
+ > > have canceled his own post(s)
+ >
+ > Anyone can forge a cancel.
+
+ Not legally,
You mean "not legitimately". Name a law that forging a cancel breaks.
+ but that seems to leave you cold.
Probably leaves him snickering at you...welcome to nanau, where you
are sure to provide hours of fun for the local denizens...
James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
To cure your perl CGI problems, please look at:
<url:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html>
hc23hc
> +
> + Not legally,
>
> You mean "not legitimately".
You're right. I do mean "not legitimately".
> + but that seems to leave you cold.
>
> Probably leaves him snickering at you...
Tiny's convulsions occur for mainly medical reasons.
> welcome to nanau, where you
> are sure to provide hours of fun for the local denizens...
Thanks, but as quickly as Tiny dragged this thread in there
it can be ended. He's soliciting legit tech/life support for a
necrotic political issue, but may have to reboot himself first.
.
.
.
Dave Korn
>Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone
else, and you
>know it.
>I personally give you my permission to cancel this post as a demonstration
of what you
>say is true.
>I accept all responsibility for authorizing this cancellation, and I invite
you to
>demonstrate that what you have said is accurate. There, now where is your
excuse?????
Done. It will work on some servers but not others.
hth,
DaveK
--
They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
The Traveler
[snip]
> > > > Now, if you are going to try to document BajaRat's "excursions into ...
> > > > pedophilia", go ahead and do it; in the meantime I figure it's just you
> > > > being you, and casting aspersions where none are due. In short, until you
> > > > prove otherwise, you are presumed to lie.
> > >
> > > It's been proven, time and again, by several posters.
> >
> > I haven't seen it. Cites, please.
>
> That you haven't seen them (itself a lie!) doesn't preclude their existence.
> Look it up for yourself.
Translation: "I can't do that, as I'm only going on what other people say."
--
We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of
Shakespeare...Thanks to AOL, we know this is not possible.
hc23hc
>
> I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable people
> could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that anyone with a clue
> can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as the servers to which the cmsg
> cancels propagate are configured to honor said cancels.
You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
Say goodbye to the IT industry.
.
.
.
Jafo
He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
Get a clue, and cancel yourself.
--
Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo
hc23hc
>
> <hc23hc> wrote:
>
> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> >> honor said cancels.
>
> >You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
> >
> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
>
> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
> Get a clue, and cancel yourself.
Your spamming, lying, forging, misshapen little pal
almost put you out of a job fabricating excuses for
Chief Dirty Uncle BajaRat. Jafo. The only thing
separating you and the real subject now is about two
thousand miles.
.
.
.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> In article <39F68BBA...@clark.net>,
>
> > > BajaRat himself admitted that the porn was issuing from his
> > computer.
> >
> > I have only your statement that BajaRat ever admitted that.
>
> Why are you so concerned about a known
> white supremacist like BajaRat who also is
> a known pedophile? Duh, maybe because you
> post to pre-teen chat rooms has something
> to do with it? Or is the racist aspect of
> BajaRat which draws you to the swine?
Well, stupid and insane JudyBot, I _don't know_ that BajaRat is a pedophile.
I have only your assertion, which is a common ploy of character
assassination.
Since you are also attempting to engage in character assassination against
me, I presume you're doing it against Baja. He will be innocent until proven
guilty. You have not proven him to be guilty of anything.
I do not post to pre-teen chat rooms, nor to teen chat rooms..
Judy, you are insane, you know that, right?
Tiny Human Ferret
Hardly, you verminous tripe-stuffer.
Go eat a box of hookworm pills, or would that make you fall apart entirely?
Not that there's been all that much together with you in any case.
I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable people
could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that anyone with a clue
can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as the servers to which the cmsg
cancels propagate are configured to honor said cancels.
--
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that anyone with a clue
> > can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as the servers to which the cmsg
> > cancels propagate are configured to honor said cancels.
>
>
> Say goodbye to the IT industry.
Not a chance, baybee.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Jafo wrote:
> >
> > <hc23hc> wrote:
> >
> > >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> > >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> > >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> > >> honor said cancels.
> >
> > >
> > >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
> >
> > Get a clue, and cancel yourself.
>
> Your spamming,
Cites, please.
> lying,
Cites, please.
> forging,
Cites, please.
> misshapen
Stipulated due to the fact that as a creature, you probably think normal
people are misshapen.
> little pal
> almost put you out of a job fabricating excuses for
> Chief Dirty Uncle BajaRat. Jafo. The only thing
> separating you and the real subject now is about two
> thousand miles.
The only thing separating you from sanity is, well, complete lunacy.
>
> .
> .
The Traveler
[snip]
>
> Go eat a box of hookworm pills, or would that make you fall apart entirely?
Slick's already done that.
http://www.cadaver.org/roundworms-th.jpg
Jafo
>Jafo wrote:
>> <hc23hc> wrote:
>> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>> >> I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable
>> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
>> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
>> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
>> >> honor said cancels.
>> >You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
>> >
>> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
>> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
>> Get a clue, and cancel yourself.
>Your spamming, lying, forging, misshapen little pal
>almost put you out of a job fabricating excuses for
> Chief Dirty Uncle BajaRat. Jafo. The only thing
>separating you and the real subject now is about two
>thousand miles.
Again, you attempt a typical style-over-substance personal attack when
confronted by the simple fact that your comments on a technical matter
are in error.
--
Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo
hc23hc
>
> <hc23hc> wrote:
>
> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> >> honor said cancels.
>
> >
> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
>
> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
Jump right in, Jafo. Your pedophile friend BajaRat
admitted the posts came from his computer, and that
is not open to reinterpretation even by a fascist
apologist like you, or ugly, forging Brother Tiny.
So, "wrong" is what you do, the way you do it, and any
reason you think you have to do it. Other than that,
for an old bald guy stuck in the closet, you're doing
just fine.
.
.
.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote:
>> <hc23hc> wrote:
>> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>> >> I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable
>> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
>> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
>> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
>> >> honor said cancels.
>> >You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
>> >
>> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
>> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
>Jump right in, Jafo. Your pedophile friend BajaRat admitted...
<shitcanned>
BajaRat, SchmahaRat. The monomaniacal fixations that you develop upon
your adversaries is downright hilarious. You stated that only the
author could cancel his own posts. Klaatu pointed out the fact that
this statement is technically incorrect. You've evaded that and
attempted on several different occasions now to "respond" with your
usual vicious personal slams. How many people do you think you're
fooling with these frantic and transparent evasions? You made a
statement on Usenet operation, and the statement was wrong. Deal
with it.
--
Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo
Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]
>
> Jafo wrote:
> >
> > <hc23hc> wrote:
> >
> > >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> > >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> > >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> > >> honor said cancels.
> >
> > >
> > >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
> >
> > He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
>
> Your spamming,
Cites, please.
> lying,
Cites, please.
> forging,
Cites, please.
> misshapen
Stipulated due to the fact that as a creature, you probably think normal
people are misshapen.
> little pal
> almost put you out of a job fabricating excuses for
> Chief Dirty Uncle BajaRat. Jafo. The only thing
> separating you and the real subject now is about two
> thousand miles.
The only thing separating you from sanity is, well, complete lunacy.
>
> .
> .
> .
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======:
Message-ID: <71E0E7BE...@clark.net>
Control: cancel <39F7D4EE...@clark.net>
Subject: cmsg cancel <39F7D4EE...@clark.net>
From: Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net>
Approved: aussier...@aol.com
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Date: 26 Oct 2000 16:20:28 GMT
X-No-Archive: Yes
X-Fuck-You: Yes you
NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.16.4.152
X-Trace: 26 Oct 2000 12:21:33 -0500, 172.16.4.152
Lines: 2
Path: news.sol.net!spool0-milwwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!europa.netcrusader.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!172.16.4.124!172.16.4.152
Cancelled for kiddy porn
Filly
Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
Klaatu Ferret why do you stalk
posters from newsgroup to newsgroup,
thread to thread?
Filly
jafo wrote:
Protecting the racist raton till the
end, eh Sewer filth jafo.
Filly
jafo wrote:
Sewer Filth Jafo, you have got
to be the saddest sack ever, so what
does the Am racist Patrol do for you?
(We all know what you do for them,
now tell us what they do for you?
Dotdotdotcom
Jafo wrote:
And just what do you think he has proven? Please tell us, oh 4F techie, how
the comments on the technical matter are in error : )
If you can muster the style, that is.
--
Dotdotdotcom
Jafo wrote:
> As viewed from alt.california, Slick <hc23hc> wrote:
>
> >Jafo wrote:
> >> <hc23hc> wrote:
> >> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >> >> I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable
> >> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> >> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> >> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> >> >> honor said cancels.
>
> >> >You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
> >> >
> >> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
>
> >> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
>
> >Jump right in, Jafo. Your pedophile friend BajaRat admitted...
>
> <shitcanned>
>
> BajaRat, SchmahaRat. The monomaniacal fixations that you develop upon
> your adversaries is downright hilarious. You stated that only the
> author could cancel his own posts. Klaatu pointed out the fact that
> this statement is technically incorrect.
But has yet to prove it. If you are counting on the example posted earlier,
you will notice a distinct difference in the two cancel posts. Klaatu's
stated the person and their url who initiated the cancel post, and listed the
appropriate agency, BajaRat's did none of that. It only listed BajaRat in
that header. Whoops : ) Style wins over substance again. Can't help it
when the substance is sooo puny.
> You've evaded that and
> attempted on several different occasions now to "respond" with your
> usual vicious personal slams. How many people do you think you're
> fooling with these frantic and transparent evasions?
As many as you are fooling with your desperate line of reasoning? Just a
guess.
> You made a
> statement on Usenet operation, and the statement was wrong. Deal
> with it.
Sorry, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Missed out again 4F.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> In article <39F7D4EE...@clark.net>,
> Tiny Human Ferret <kla...@clark.net> wrote:
>
> Klaatu Ferret why do you stalk
> posters from newsgroup to newsgroup,
> thread to thread?
I don't. I post where I will, where there's a topic that interests me.
Tiny Human Ferret
Woo! another country heard from!
SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Jafo wrote:
>
> > As viewed from alt.california, Slick <hc23hc> wrote:
> >
> > >Jafo wrote:
> > >> <hc23hc> wrote:
> > >> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >> >> I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable
> > >> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> > >> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> > >> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> > >> >> honor said cancels.
> >
> > >> >You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
> > >> >
> > >> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
> >
> > >> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
> >
> > >Jump right in, Jafo. Your pedophile friend BajaRat admitted...
> >
> > <shitcanned>
> >
> > BajaRat, SchmahaRat. The monomaniacal fixations that you develop upon
> > your adversaries is downright hilarious. You stated that only the
> > author could cancel his own posts. Klaatu pointed out the fact that
> > this statement is technically incorrect.
>
> But has yet to prove it.
Reload your newsreader. You'll see that a HipClone cancelbot just cancelled
my posts, and Dave the Resurrector resurrected it. More proof than that
ought not to be required.
> If you are counting on the example posted earlier,
> you will notice a distinct difference in the two cancel posts. Klaatu's
> stated the person and their url who initiated the cancel post, and listed the
> appropriate agency, BajaRat's did none of that. It only listed BajaRat in
> that header.
what the hell are you talking about? Your terminology is not correct. Try
posting the two examples and we can dissect them side by side.
> Whoops : ) Style wins over substance again. Can't help it
> when the substance is sooo puny.
>
> > You've evaded that and
> > attempted on several different occasions now to "respond" with your
> > usual vicious personal slams. How many people do you think you're
> > fooling with these frantic and transparent evasions?
>
> As many as you are fooling with your desperate line of reasoning? Just a
> guess.
He doesn't _have_ to fool anyone. So he's not even trying. You on the other
hand are trying and failing miserably.
>
> > You made a
> > statement on Usenet operation, and the statement was wrong. Deal
> > with it.
>
> Sorry, wrong, wrong, wrong.
you might think so, but that's because you just don't understand how things
work.
> Missed out again 4F.
--
The Traveler
[snip]
Why even bother to explain? Anyone who knows how Usenet works is well aware
of the various conditions and methods of cancelling posts. It's been made clear
several times that cancels can be issued by parties other than the post's
author, so if Dot STILL wishes to play (and LOOK) stupid then that's HIS
problem.
d...@cheetah.net
wrote:
>
>
>Jafo wrote:
>> Again, you attempt a typical style-over-substance personal attack when
>> confronted by the simple fact that your comments on a technical matter
>> are in error.
>>
>
>And just what do you think he has proven? Please tell us, oh 4F techie, how
>the comments on the technical matter are in error : )
>If you can muster the style, that is.
Get back to the back of your cage.
Relax and try not to growl to loud
at the tourists.
DCI
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Why even bother to explain? Anyone who knows how Usenet works is well aware
> of the various conditions and methods of cancelling posts. It's been made clear
> several times that cancels can be issued by parties other than the post's
> author, so if Dot STILL wishes to play (and LOOK) stupid then that's HIS
> problem.
>
Actually, the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
everyone's business.
Not that he needs much help from anyone...
hc23hc
>
> The Traveler wrote:
> >
<snip usual fascist pig pile>
> the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> everyone's business.
It isn't everyone's business. Not unless you
want to make your maniacal obsession everyone's
business, in which case, keep going. You're
halfway back into the sanitarium already.
.
.
.
Tiny Human Ferret
You can't go back to where you've never been.
And, and which maniacal obsession were you talking about? You fantasize that
I have so many.
and you never did tell us, _was_ that you who ran the Hipclone cancel bot
against my posts yesterday, disproving your own point?
Dave Korn
>"Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
>
>
>Woo! another country heard from!
>
>SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
I'm afraid you've just got caught in the crossfire that's going on here
and in araa/arna/afn. DtR re-posts anything that gets cancelled in
here automatically and adds that tag in the header.
DaveK
--
They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
hc23hc
>
> <hc23hc> wrote:
>
> >Jafo wrote:
> >> <hc23hc> wrote:
> >> >Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >> >> I brought this in here so that some of the technically knowledgable
> >> >> people could set you straight as to how cancels work, and that
> >> >> anyone with a clue can cancel anyone else's messages, so long as
> >> >> the servers to which the cmsg cancels propagate are configured to
> >> >> honor said cancels.
>
> >> >You're a spamming, lying, forging, delusional techno-dwarf.
> >> >
> >> >Say goodbye to the IT industry.
>
> >> He's right, Slick, and you're wrong.
>
> >Jump right in, Jafo. Your pedophile friend BajaRat admitted...
>
> <shitcanned>
Is that your best shot at a forged cancel, you old rectophile ?
You'll be hearing more about this, so brace yourself (if some
little teenage taxi boy isn't already doing your braces for you).
> BajaRat, SchmahaRat.
Schmery Schmunny, Schmafo. Feeling Schmewish ?
> The monomaniacal fixations that you develop upon
> your adversaries is downright hilarious. You stated that only the
> author could cancel his own posts. Klaatu pointed out the fact that
> this statement is technically incorrect. You've evaded that and
> attempted on several different occasions now to "respond" with your
> usual vicious personal slams. How many people do you think you're
> fooling with these frantic and transparent evasions? You made a
> statement on Usenet operation, and the statement was wrong. Deal
> with it.
Other than the semantic correction that nobody can *legitimately*
cancel the posts of anyone else, the gist of what only your clinical
obstinacy prevents you from understanding is, that this topic isn't
about Usenet operation. BajaRat already admitted on alt.california
that years' worth of pornographic posts emanated not just from his
ISP account, but directly from his computer. He blamed these years
of male youth pornography on "a disgruntled employee" allegedly
either trying to discredit him, or else just coincidentally sharing
to a tee BajaRat's own predilection for certain international centers
of underage male prostitution, in Mexico, in Costa Rica and in Phuket,
Thailand. What a coincidence. Then there is the small detail of
BajaRat never having had any employees. You deliberately overlook
that as well as all the other reasons why Tiny's ostentation with
Usenet trivia is completely and utterly irrelevant, BajaRat already
having implicated himself in the series of posts under review.
Now, why either you or Tiny should take it upon yourselves to launder
the filthy reputation of BajaRat with the same diligence as virulent
Holocaust revisionists seek to minimize the core evil of that shameful
period in history, is not at all easy to understand, unless you are both
exactly the sort of slimy little fascist lapdogs you already appear
to be.
Thank you for proving it.
.
.
.
Dotdotdotcom
d...@cheetah.net wrote:
When will you learn that Grecian Formula only works when you have hair?
Or did Jafo leave that part out?
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
Read that header, and then compare it to the BajaRat header. See any differences?
BajaRat canceled his own post, no one else!
Idiot!!!!
>
>
> > If you are counting on the example posted earlier,
> > you will notice a distinct difference in the two cancel posts. Klaatu's
> > stated the person and their url who initiated the cancel post, and listed the
> > appropriate agency, BajaRat's did none of that. It only listed BajaRat in
> > that header.
>
> what the hell are you talking about? Your terminology is not correct. Try
> posting the two examples and we can dissect them side by side.
Pull them up yourself, nit wit. They are both still on the news servers.
>
>
> > Whoops : ) Style wins over substance again. Can't help it
> > when the substance is sooo puny.
> >
> > > You've evaded that and
> > > attempted on several different occasions now to "respond" with your
> > > usual vicious personal slams. How many people do you think you're
> > > fooling with these frantic and transparent evasions?
> >
> > As many as you are fooling with your desperate line of reasoning? Just a
> > guess.
>
> He doesn't _have_ to fool anyone. So he's not even trying. You on the other
> hand are trying and failing miserably.
>
> >
> > > You made a
> > > statement on Usenet operation, and the statement was wrong. Deal
> > > with it.
> >
> > Sorry, wrong, wrong, wrong.
>
> you might think so, but that's because you just don't understand how things
> work.
You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> hc23hc wrote:
> >
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >
> > > The Traveler wrote:
> > > >
> > <snip usual fascist pig pile>
> >
> > > the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> > > everyone's business.
> >
> > It isn't everyone's business. Not unless you
> > want to make your maniacal obsession everyone's
> > business, in which case, keep going. You're
> > halfway back into the sanitarium already.
>
> You can't go back to where you've never been.
You're blocking again. You're doctors warned you about that.
>
>
> And, and which maniacal obsession were you talking about? You fantasize that
> I have so many.
Lying!
>
>
> and you never did tell us, _was_ that you who ran the Hipclone cancel bot
> against my posts yesterday, disproving your own point?
One of your playmates in another ng.
The Traveler
>
> The Traveler wrote:
> >
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Why even bother to explain? Anyone who knows how Usenet works is well aware
> > of the various conditions and methods of cancelling posts. It's been made clear
> > several times that cancels can be issued by parties other than the post's
> > author, so if Dot STILL wishes to play (and LOOK) stupid then that's HIS
> > problem.
> >
>
> Actually, the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> everyone's business.
"Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone
else, and you know it. I personally give you my permission to cancel this post
as a demonstration of what you say is true. I accept all responsibility for
authorizing this cancellation, and I invite you to demonstrate that what you
have said is accurate. There, now where is your excuse?????"
Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> - <39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
I can't imagine how much MORE stupid Dot can be made to look. ;)
hc23hc
>
> hc23hc wrote:
> >
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >
> > > The Traveler wrote:
> > > >
> > <snip usual fascist pig pile>
> >
> > > the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> > > everyone's business.
> >
> > It isn't everyone's business. Not unless you
> > want to make your maniacal obsession everyone's
> > business, in which case, keep going. You're
> > halfway back into the sanitarium already.
>
> You can't go back to where you've never been.
Stop pretending you don't remember being there.
> Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
Now it's coming back to you. Should've been kinder to your neighbors.
.
.
.
Dave Korn
>
>You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone. Of course, you might
not notice unless you reset and re-download the group, because
you've probably still got a copy in your offline folder on your own
PC. I can see how that might lead you to think it was still out there,
but it isn't. On every server on the internet that actually honours cancel
messages, it's long gone. Does anyone know if earthlink does
or doesn't? Maybe the guy can still see it on his own ISPs
server and doesn't realise that it's null and void everywhere
else.
The Traveler
>
> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> >
> >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
>
> You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone. Of course, you might
> not notice unless you reset and re-download the group, because
> you've probably still got a copy in your offline folder on your own
> PC. I can see how that might lead you to think it was still out there,
> but it isn't. On every server on the internet that actually honours cancel
The little ignoramus is using Netscape's newsreader, so that is quite likely
the case. He sees it still there, and the body still appears when he clicks on
it, so to him it *must* still be on the server.
"Duuuuuh, gee Tennessee, the message is still in my newsreader, so it wasn't
cancelled!"
> messages, it's long gone. Does anyone know if earthlink does
> or doesn't? Maybe the guy can still see it on his own ISPs
> server and doesn't realise that it's null and void everywhere
> else.
Maybe someone can contact a former Netcommie that's using Earthlink's 6 month
free offer to confirm that Earthlink's news server accepted the cancel.
hc23hc
>
> "Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
> >
> >Woo! another country heard from!
> >
> >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
>
> Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
> doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
Explain it to someone who cares, Dave. My only interest in this
thread is why a half-baked forging wannabe sysop like Tiny would
argue the legitimacy of forged cancels to distract attention from
his unstable, violent pornographer crony, BajaRat. If you want
to give Tiny a free education, please don't let me stop you.
It won't automatically make him a better person.
.
.
.
Dotdotdotcom
Dave Korn wrote:
> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> >
> >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
>
> You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone. Of course, you might
> not notice unless you reset and re-download the group, because
> you've probably still got a copy in your offline folder on your own
> PC. I can see how that might lead you to think it was still out there,
> but it isn't. On every server on the internet that actually honours cancel
> messages, it's long gone. Does anyone know if earthlink does
> or doesn't? Maybe the guy can still see it on his own ISPs
> server and doesn't realise that it's null and void everywhere
> else.
>
> DaveK
Just did it. I unsubscribed from alt.california, and then subscribed to it
again. My post, mentioned above, is still there. There are no cancel post
shown in the 500 post that I downloaded. I was actually hoping that it would
be there because I had intended to show that, by looking at the header, there
is a significant difference from a usenet cancel and the one from BajaRat that
was posted earlier. The whole point of this exercise is to demonstrate that
the post in question was not a forgery, but the real thing emanating from
BajaRat. The header in the cancel post that you did would have shown clearly
the discrepancies. If you have a copy of that cancel post that you did on my
post, I would appreciate it if you would post it. Hate to drag you into this
brouhaha, but then, you did get involved all by yourself, didn't you?
Anyway, thanks for the effort.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Dave Korn wrote:
> >
> > "Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
> > >
> > >Woo! another country heard from!
> > >
> > >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
> >
> > Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
> > doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
>
> Explain it to someone who cares, Dave. My only interest in this
> thread is why a half-baked forging wannabe sysop like Tiny would
> argue the legitimacy of forged cancels to distract attention from
> his unstable, violent pornographer crony, BajaRat.
I told you, as did your therapist, that Ketamine should not be injected into
your carotid artery, but you just never listen. Apparently you also don't
listen when people tell you not post to UseNet after you go ahead and do it
anyway.
And I haven't forged anything. Prove it! You can't because it didn't happen.
Nit Wit!
You're even hinging all of your argument on BajaRat forging cancels to
remove pr0n that someone posted as him, forging headers to do it. But nobody
can prove anything because neither the forged cancels nor the forged pr0n
messages have full path information.
So all of this argument resolves only to whatever is demonstrable, and
what's been demonstrated is that anyone can forge anything, and anyone can
forge cancels to cancel anything. And you hinged your argument on that
"fact" and it was demonstrated to be a non-fact.
So, as always, you lose because you're wrong.
> If you want
> to give Tiny a free education, please don't let me stop you.
>
> It won't automatically make him a better person.
Right, Terri. Tickled anyone lately?
>
> .
> .
> .
--
"We look through a glass but darkly:
What we see is more colored by our beliefs,
than what we believe is colored by what we see."
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > The Traveler wrote:
> > >
> > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Why even bother to explain? Anyone who knows how Usenet works is well aware
> > > of the various conditions and methods of cancelling posts. It's been made clear
> > > several times that cancels can be issued by parties other than the post's
> > > author, so if Dot STILL wishes to play (and LOOK) stupid then that's HIS
> > > problem.
> > >
> >
> > Actually, the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> > everyone's business.
>
> "Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone
> else, and you know it. I personally give you my permission to cancel this post
> as a demonstration of what you say is true. I accept all responsibility for
> authorizing this cancellation, and I invite you to demonstrate that what you
> have said is accurate. There, now where is your excuse?????"
>
> Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> - <39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
>
>
> I can't imagine how much MORE stupid Dot can be made to look. ;)
What bothers me is that I never saw it, it got cancelled before I even saw
it, so _I didn't get a chance to cancel it_!
Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> >
> >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
>
> You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone. Of course, you might
> not notice unless you reset and re-download the group, because
> you've probably still got a copy in your offline folder on your own
> PC. I can see how that might lead you to think it was still out there,
> but it isn't. On every server on the internet that actually honours cancel
> messages, it's long gone. Does anyone know if earthlink does
> or doesn't? Maybe the guy can still see it on his own ISPs
> server and doesn't realise that it's null and void everywhere
> else.
He's a genuine FsckHead, even if the rest of the world knows it's gone, he
wouldn't admit it because it would make him admit something he can never
publicly admit, but which everyone else has always known; that he doesn't
know squat and he's always wrong.
>
> DaveK
> --
> They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
> Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--
Filly
kla...@clark.net wrote:
"Dave Korn" is one of the
"VCT Frejoles" aka Jumpin'Bean.
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> The Traveler wrote:
> >
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >
> > > The Traveler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > Why even bother to explain? Anyone who knows how Usenet works is well aware
> > > > of the various conditions and methods of cancelling posts. It's been made clear
> > > > several times that cancels can be issued by parties other than the post's
> > > > author, so if Dot STILL wishes to play (and LOOK) stupid then that's HIS
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> > > everyone's business.
> >
> > "Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone
> > else, and you know it. I personally give you my permission to cancel this post
> > as a demonstration of what you say is true. I accept all responsibility for
> > authorizing this cancellation, and I invite you to demonstrate that what you
> > have said is accurate. There, now where is your excuse?????"
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> - <39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> >
> >
> > I can't imagine how much MORE stupid Dot can be made to look. ;)
>
> What bothers me is that I never saw it, it got cancelled before I even saw
> it, so _I didn't get a chance to cancel it_!
>
> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
Didn't get canceled! It was on Earthlink's news server as last as three days ago, and
that has to be a record for Earthlink where posts disappear and reappear almost
spontaneously.
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> Dave Korn wrote:
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> > >
> > >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
> >
> > You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> > are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone. Of course, you might
> > not notice unless you reset and re-download the group, because
> > you've probably still got a copy in your offline folder on your own
> > PC. I can see how that might lead you to think it was still out there,
> > but it isn't. On every server on the internet that actually honours cancel
> > messages, it's long gone. Does anyone know if earthlink does
> > or doesn't? Maybe the guy can still see it on his own ISPs
> > server and doesn't realise that it's null and void everywhere
> > else.
>
> He's a genuine FsckHead, even if the rest of the world knows it's gone, he
> wouldn't admit it because it would make him admit something he can never
> publicly admit, but which everyone else has always known; that he doesn't
> know squat and he's always wrong.
Wrong again, WeasleBob. That message was on Earthlinks news server as late as
three days ago.
Boohoo! Now where, EUNUCH Engineer?
>
>
> >
> > DaveK
> > --
> > They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
> > Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
>
> --
> "We look through a glass but darkly:
> What we see is more colored by our beliefs,
> than what we believe is colored by what we see."
--
Andrew Gierth {not a hipclone}
>> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
Dotdotdotcom> Didn't get canceled! It was on Earthlink's news server
Earthlink don't honour cancels at all.
--
Andrew.
"I believe we've been over this before. There isn't need for any sort
of security feature unless some asshole wants to make a nuisance of
himself." Matt (ARPAVAX:glickman) in net.rumor, Dec 1981
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> >>>>> "Dotdotdotcom" == Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
>
> Dotdotdotcom> Didn't get canceled! It was on Earthlink's news server
>
> Earthlink don't honour cancels at all.
<bemused and strangely cheerful voice>
Really.
<grin>
</bemused>
So, um, how do they deal with forger spew?
>
> --
> Andrew.
>
> "I believe we've been over this before. There isn't need for any sort
> of security feature unless some asshole wants to make a nuisance of
> himself." Matt (ARPAVAX:glickman) in net.rumor, Dec 1981
--
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
> > Dave Korn wrote:
> > >
> > > Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> > > >
> > > >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
> > >
> > > You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> > > are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone. Of course, you might
> > > not notice unless you reset and re-download the group, because
> > > you've probably still got a copy in your offline folder on your own
> > > PC. I can see how that might lead you to think it was still out there,
> > > but it isn't. On every server on the internet that actually honours cancel
> > > messages, it's long gone. Does anyone know if earthlink does
> > > or doesn't? Maybe the guy can still see it on his own ISPs
> > > server and doesn't realise that it's null and void everywhere
> > > else.
> >
> > He's a genuine FsckHead, even if the rest of the world knows it's gone, he
> > wouldn't admit it because it would make him admit something he can never
> > publicly admit, but which everyone else has always known; that he doesn't
> > know squat and he's always wrong.
>
> Wrong again, WeasleBob. That message was on Earthlinks news server as late as
> three days ago.
> Boohoo! Now where, EUNUCH Engineer?
If EarthStink doesn't honor cancels, that means that the message wasn't
cancelled there -- and you can't cancel your own stuff either. Which means
that the bars of your intellectual-rapists' cage which you built yourself
are strong strong strong. Nothing you do can remove the evidence against
you.
Guilty, sentenced, soon to be fried.
Keep in mind that even if all of your $cientologist buddies at EarthStink
can read your confessions of lameness, it doesn't mean that anyone else in
the world has the slightest clue that you consistently pretend to have
something to say.
Filly
kla...@clark.net wrote:
> Andrew Gierth {not a hipclone} wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> "Dotdotdotcom" == Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net>
writes:
> >
> > >> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom> Didn't get canceled! It was on Earthlink's news
server
> >
> > Earthlink don't honour cancels at all.
>
> So, um, how do they deal with forger spew?
>
How do they deal with Klaatu Ferret
who stalks several posters from newsgroup
to newsgroup and thread to threae?
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> Andrew Gierth {not a hipclone} wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> "Dotdotdotcom" == Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> writes:
> >
> > >> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom> Didn't get canceled! It was on Earthlink's news server
> >
> > Earthlink don't honour cancels at all.
>
> <bemused and strangely cheerful voice>
>
> Really.
>
> <grin>
>
> </bemused>
>
> So, um, how do they deal with forger spew?
>
They hunt you down like the dog you are, WeaselBob. No liquor store, homeless
shelter, park bench, or wooded pasture will provide you refuge. With toothpicks
drawn, the Soldiers of Earthlink will find you, and 'pick you like the Bull
[shitter] you are.
Dotdotdotcom
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
I have no fear. Right is my might : )
>
>
> Guilty, sentenced, soon to be fried.
>
> Keep in mind that even if all of your $cientologist buddies at EarthStink
> can read your confessions of lameness, it doesn't mean that anyone else in
> the world has the slightest clue that you consistently pretend to have
> something to say.
Another post fwd to $cientology.control.nit.wits.com.
hc23hc
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > Guilty, sentenced, soon to be fried.
> >
> > Keep in mind that even if all of your $cientologist buddies at EarthStink
> > can read your confessions of lameness, it doesn't mean that anyone else in
> > the world has the slightest clue that you consistently pretend to have
> > something to say.
>
> Another post fwd to $cientology.control.nit.wits.com.
So much for Tiny's concept of religious freedom and of
the First Amendment, as it protects anyone but himself.
.
.
.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> In article <39FCB64B...@clark.net>,
> kla...@clark.net wrote:
> > Andrew Gierth {not a hipclone} wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>>> "Dotdotdotcom" == Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net>
> writes:
> > >
> > > >> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
> > >
> > > Dotdotdotcom> Didn't get canceled! It was on Earthlink's news
> server
> > >
> > > Earthlink don't honour cancels at all.
>
> >
> > So, um, how do they deal with forger spew?
> >
>
> How do they deal with Klaatu Ferret
> who stalks several posters from newsgroup
> to newsgroup and thread to threae?
How do they deal with a stupid JudyBot who stalks several posters from
newsgroup to newsgroup and thread to thread?
Tiny Human Ferret
$cientology isn't a religion. It's a Ponzi Scheme based on hoodwinking the
marks into paying ridiculous sums of money to subject themselves to
thought-control under the guise of "auditing", where they get hooked up to
homemade and low-quality lied-detectors and questioned relentlessly about
the deepest detail of their own and of others' personal lives.
$cientology is banned across most of the planet, with a variety of judges in
places such as incredibly-liberal Australia declaring it a public menace,
and in Germany, which understandably is not interested in suppressing anyone
on religious or ethnic grounds, $cientology has been declared a foreign
intelligence agency, due to its habits of black-bag breakings, forgery of
documents, falsification of legal claims and other sordid practices.
The Traveler
>
> The Traveler wrote:
> >
> > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > >
> > > The Traveler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > Why even bother to explain? Anyone who knows how Usenet works is well aware
> > > > of the various conditions and methods of cancelling posts. It's been made clear
> > > > several times that cancels can be issued by parties other than the post's
> > > > author, so if Dot STILL wishes to play (and LOOK) stupid then that's HIS
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, the stupider he can be made to look, to make that occur is
> > > everyone's business.
> >
> > "Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone
> > else, and you know it. I personally give you my permission to cancel this post
> > as a demonstration of what you say is true. I accept all responsibility for
> > authorizing this cancellation, and I invite you to demonstrate that what you
> > have said is accurate. There, now where is your excuse?????"
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net> - <39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> >
> >
> > I can't imagine how much MORE stupid Dot can be made to look. ;)
>
> What bothers me is that I never saw it, it got cancelled before I even saw
> it, so _I didn't get a chance to cancel it_!
>
> Whoever it was that's been cancelling Spot, thanks!
According to you-know-who, that's not happening. ;)
The Traveler
>
> In article <39FB77E8...@clark.net>,
> kla...@clark.net wrote:
>
> "Dave Korn" is one of the
> "VCT Frejoles" aka Jumpin'Bean.
Haaahahahahaha, whatever you say, "Mrs. Columbo". :)
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote in message <39F8E0D1...@clark.net>...
> >"Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
> >
> >
> >Woo! another country heard from!
> >
> >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
>
> Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
> doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
But <puts on tin-foil hat> isn't that exactly the public pose you'd expect
from a HipClone or any other cancel-spew author?
> I'm afraid you've just got caught in the crossfire that's going on here
> and in araa/arna/afn. DtR re-posts anything that gets cancelled in
> here automatically and adds that tag in the header.
Too bad there aren't DtRs working all of the other groups too, in
coordination with the CancelMoose bots etc.
>
> DaveK
> --
> They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
> Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--
Dave Korn
>Dave Korn wrote:
>>
>> "Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
>> >
>> >Woo! another country heard from!
>> >
>> >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
>>
>> Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
>> doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
>
>Explain it to someone who cares, Dave.
Pay attention. I *was* explaining it to someone who cares, namely
Tiny. Why you should get so upset that someone jumps in to correct
his misunderstanding and set him straight that *you* are not committing
net-abuse and cancelling people's articles I don't know.
>Explain it to someone who cares, Dave. My only interest in this
>thread is why a half-baked forging wannabe sysop like Tiny would
>argue the legitimacy of forged cancels to distract attention from
>his unstable, violent pornographer crony, BajaRat. If you want
>to give Tiny a free education, please don't let me stop you.
Forged cancels are indeed not legitimate. OTOH, if you have the
rights to an email address, you also have the right to cancel any
message that was posted with that address - that is to say, you have
the right to delete any forgeries made in your name. I didn't see
the start of the thread, but jumped in at the point where you said
> > > > > Idiot! He's canceling his own posts. You can't cancel other's
posts.
The thread was tied up with some discussion about Deja at that
point. It's true that you can't get someone else's posts nuked at
Deja, since they mail a confirmation request to the address in the
post (although if you become the new owner of an email address
that someone else formerly used, you could nuke the posts they
had made when they used to own the address), but standard
usenet cancels have no such confirmation mechanism and hence
anyone can cancel anyone else's posts. This, of course, does not
make it right to do so. (cf. Hipcrime et al.)
Dave Korn
>Dave Korn wrote:
>> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
>> >
>> >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
>>
>> You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
>> are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone.
>
>again. My post, mentioned above, is still there.
Yep. As Andrew Gierth confirmed, Earthlink's servers don't honour
cancel messages.
> There are no cancel post shown in the 500 post that I downloaded.
You don't see cancel posts in the group they cancel an item in. Instead
the server gathers all the cancel posts together and synthesizes a pseudo
newsgroup, control.cancel, where you can usually find them.
> The whole point of this exercise is to demonstrate that
>the post in question was not a forgery, but the real thing emanating from
>BajaRat. The header in the cancel post that you did would have shown
>clearly the discrepancies. If you have a copy of that cancel post that you
did on
>my post, I would appreciate it if you would post it. Hate to drag you into
>this brouhaha, but then, you did get involved all by yourself, didn't you?
OK, just FYI, here's what I posted:
---begin cancel message------
Newsgroups:
alt.california,ny.general,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.immigration,news.
admin.net-abuse.usenet
From: DaveK <no....@my.mailbox.invalid>
Control: cancel <39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
Sender: Dotdotdotcom <Dotdot...@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <cancel.39F6...@earthlink.net>
Path: kookcancel!usenet
X-Cancelled-By: DaveK@nanau
Reply-To: nanau
Organization: Proof provided!
X-Mailer: telnet
Subject: cmsg cancel <39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:09:28 GMT
From the original post:
>Lying piece of crap! You can't do it, and you know it. Neither can anyone
else, and you
>know it.
>I personally give you my permission to cancel this post as a demonstration
of what you
>say is true.
>I accept all responsibility for authorizing this cancellation, and I invite
you to
>demonstrate that what you have said is accurate. There, now where is your
excuse?????
Invitation accepted. Thanks.
---end cancel message----
Now, I have no idea of the genuineness or otherwise of the posts and
cancels that you two are arguing over; I'll just point out that where I put
the From: header, I could have entered any email address I liked and
it would have made no difference, and that the X-Cancelled-By is
completely optional. You can't *easily* deduce whether a cancel is
forged or not from the headers, although you can look for evidence:
if there's an NNTP-Posting-Host header, does it come from the
same netblock/dialup provider that the poster normally uses? Does the
Path tail match the server that the poster normally posts through?
But these aren't conclusive evidence either. Anyone who posts through
the same ISP and news server could do a forgery that would be
indistinguishable from a genuine posting by the true owner of the From:
address. The only way to tell in that case would be to get your hands
on the ISP's modem logs, find out what the CLI was for the user who
made the post (based on IP address from a NNTP posting host header),
and compare that to known posts from the same author - we can
assume that the forger wouldn't have access to the forgee's home
phone line.
hc23hc
>
> hc23hc wrote:
> >
> > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> > >
> > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Guilty, sentenced, soon to be fried.
> > > >
> > > > Keep in mind that even if all of your $cientologist buddies at EarthStink
> > > > can read your confessions of lameness, it doesn't mean that anyone else in
> > > > the world has the slightest clue that you consistently pretend to have
> > > > something to say.
> > >
> > > Another post fwd to $cientology.control.nit.wits.com.
> >
> > So much for Tiny's concept of religious freedom and of
> > the First Amendment, as it protects anyone but himself.
>
> $cientology isn't a religion. It's a Ponzi Scheme
>
> places such as incredibly-liberal Australia declaring it a public menace,
> and in Germany, which understandably is not interested in suppressing anyone
This is the United States, Tiny. You personally should be "understandably
not interested in suppressing anyone", but the opposite is true. Your
vengeful lynch-mob attitude and crippled personality make you less at home
here than in a fascist dictatorship, better still one populated exclusively
by Hubbards. FedEx makes a small box you'll fit in for the trip.
.
.
.
Simon C.
> "Dave Korn" is one of the
> "VCT Frejoles" aka Jumpin'Bean.
I think you're mixing maiz with frijoles, amiga. Not the same muchacho.
hc23hc
>
> hc23hc wrote
> >>
> >> "Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Woo! another country heard from!
> >> >
> >> >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
> >>
> >> Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
> >> doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
> >
> >Explain it to someone who cares, Dave.
>
> Pay attention. I *was* explaining it to someone who cares, namely
That's fine, and also what I was saying.
> Tiny. Why you should get so upset that someone jumps in to correct
> his misunderstanding and set him straight that *you* are not committing
> net-abuse and cancelling people's articles I don't know.
I'm completely relaxed, if that matters. Nobody has ever accused me
of forging post cancellations. I haven't ever even canceled any of my
own legit posts, nor of any posts forged under my name, let alone anybody
else's. The real question is why a half-baked sysop imitator such as Tiny
would a) be so ignorant and b) use his paucity of acumen to try and rehab
forgers, as he has often done, and then via total overdosages of voodoo
geekery, attempt to mitigate the misdeeds of known usenet thug BajaRat.
Talk about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing - his is Tiny !
> >Explain it to someone who cares, Dave. My only interest in this
> >thread is why a half-baked forging wannabe sysop like Tiny would
> >argue the legitimacy of forged cancels to distract attention from
> >his unstable, violent pornographer crony, BajaRat. If you want
> >to give Tiny a free education, please don't let me stop you.
>
> Forged cancels are indeed not legitimate. OTOH, if you have the
> rights to an email address, you also have the right to cancel any
> message that was posted with that address - that is to say, you have
> the right to delete any forgeries made in your name. I didn't see
> the start of the thread, but jumped in at the point where you said
>
> > > > > > Idiot! He's canceling his own posts. You can't cancel other's
> posts.
That quote is from a different poster, Dave, not from me.
> The thread was tied up with some discussion about Deja at that
> point. It's true that you can't get someone else's posts nuked at
> Deja, since they mail a confirmation request to the address in the
> post (although if you become the new owner of an email address
> that someone else formerly used, you could nuke the posts they
> had made when they used to own the address), but standard
> usenet cancels have no such confirmation mechanism and hence
> anyone can cancel anyone else's posts. This, of course, does not
> make it right to do so. (cf. Hipcrime et al.)
OK, Dave, we're on the same page here.
.
.
.
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> hc23hc wrote in message <39F9D170...@artlink.ne>...
> >Dave Korn wrote:
> >>
> >> "Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Woo! another country heard from!
> >> >
> >> >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
> >>
> >> Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
> >> doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
> >
> >Explain it to someone who cares, Dave.
>
> Pay attention. I *was* explaining it to someone who cares, namely
> Tiny. Why you should get so upset that someone jumps in to correct
> his misunderstanding and set him straight that *you* are not committing
> net-abuse and cancelling people's articles I don't know.
Probably I was just being sarcastic to hc23hc, Dave, she brings out the best
in me.
Also, evidently the drily humorous imputation that someone -- protesting
that cancelling the posts of others to be impossible -- might be the best
cover (denial/protestations of innocent/ignorance) for a cancel-spewer. You
know, "both the innocent and the guilty deny the crime".
>
> >Explain it to someone who cares, Dave. My only interest in this
> >thread is why a half-baked forging wannabe sysop like Tiny would
> >argue the legitimacy of forged cancels to distract attention from
> >his unstable, violent pornographer crony, BajaRat. If you want
> >to give Tiny a free education, please don't let me stop you.
>
> Forged cancels are indeed not legitimate. OTOH, if you have the
> rights to an email address, you also have the right to cancel any
> message that was posted with that address - that is to say, you have
> the right to delete any forgeries made in your name. I didn't see
> the start of the thread, but jumped in at the point where you said
>
> > > > > > Idiot! He's canceling his own posts. You can't cancel other's
> posts.
>
> The thread was tied up with some discussion about Deja at that
> point. It's true that you can't get someone else's posts nuked at
> Deja, since they mail a confirmation request to the address in the
> post (although if you become the new owner of an email address
> that someone else formerly used, you could nuke the posts they
> had made when they used to own the address), but standard
> usenet cancels have no such confirmation mechanism and hence
> anyone can cancel anyone else's posts. This, of course, does not
> make it right to do so. (cf. Hipcrime et al.)
Right. The point I am trying to get across to this individual is that once
you get from the initial position of cancels being wrong, one gets into a
thorny morass of forged identities, and forgers posting forged articles to
implicate another individual (at least to those ignorant of the
possibilities in forgery), and potentially you have the real individual
implicated by the forgery legitimately cancelling articles forged under
their name, or you have alternatively a possibility of legitimate articles
cancelled by individual forging the identities of the original poster. You
can also get into secondary layers of permutations of forgery and deception,
etc etc but let's not get into all of that until the situation requires it;
this is not the sort of person you want to give any ideas to...
>
> DaveK
> --
> They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
> Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39FA2767...@earthlink.net>...
> >Dave Korn wrote:
> >> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> >> >
<snip snip>
> But these aren't conclusive evidence either. Anyone who posts through
> the same ISP and news server could do a forgery that would be
> indistinguishable from a genuine posting by the true owner of the From:
> address. The only way to tell in that case would be to get your hands
> on the ISP's modem logs, find out what the CLI was for the user who
> made the post (based on IP address from a NNTP posting host header),
> and compare that to known posts from the same author - we can
> assume that the forger wouldn't have access to the forgee's home
> phone line.
Black-bag jobs? Heh heh.
Thanks for the excellent educational presentation, Dave!
>
> DaveK
> --
> They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
> Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--
Tiny Human Ferret
>
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> >
> > hc23hc wrote:
> > >
> > > Dotdotdotcom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Guilty, sentenced, soon to be fried.
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep in mind that even if all of your $cientologist buddies at EarthStink
> > > > > can read your confessions of lameness, it doesn't mean that anyone else in
> > > > > the world has the slightest clue that you consistently pretend to have
> > > > > something to say.
> > > >
> > > > Another post fwd to $cientology.control.nit.wits.com.
> > >
> > > So much for Tiny's concept of religious freedom and of
> > > the First Amendment, as it protects anyone but himself.
> >
> > $cientology isn't a religion. It's a Ponzi Scheme
> >
> > $cientology is banned across most of the planet, with a variety of judges in
> > places such as incredibly-liberal Australia declaring it a public menace,
> > and in Germany, which understandably is not interested in suppressing anyone
>
> This is the United States, Tiny. You personally should be "understandably
> not interested in suppressing anyone", but the opposite is true.
Absolutely. Rather late in my life, I am learning to fight my oppressors,
rather than simply lying back and enjoying the rape.
Surely you can understand that?
Dotdotdotcom
Dave Korn wrote:
> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39FA2767...@earthlink.net>...
> >Dave Korn wrote:
> >> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> >> >
> >> >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
> >>
> >> You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> >> are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone.
> >
> >Just did it. I unsubscribed from alt.california, and then subscribed to it
> >again. My post, mentioned above, is still there.
>
> Yep. As Andrew Gierth confirmed, Earthlink's servers don't honour
> cancel messages.
>
> > There are no cancel post shown in the 500 post that I downloaded.
>
> You don't see cancel posts in the group they cancel an item in. Instead
> the server gathers all the cancel posts together and synthesizes a pseudo
> newsgroup, control.cancel, where you can usually find them.
I make no claim to scholarship in usenet matters, but I have seen, actually seen
with my own eyes, canceled posts in news groups. So what does that mean?
Here is the original cancel post that started the whole discussion. As you will
immediately note, it is a deja cancel, so what you said specifically about deja
posts is most applicable. There is virtually no way that anyone else could have
canceled this post other than the original author. The whole thread was based
on that cancel post, and that premise. That we have even gotten into
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, is purely due to the obfuscation of WeaselBob in
his attempt to defend a known poster of pornography. That he shares some
political ideas with that cur is secondary to the thread, but it is the primary
reason for his dragging this thread into your group. The cancel post, or all of
the crap that WeaselBob offered up in the defense of this dog, was pure
subterfuge. I apologize for the disruption of your group with this garbage, and
I suggest that you deal with WeaselBob within your own group. Thanks for your
attention.
Dotdotdotcom
Dave Korn wrote:
> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39FA2767...@earthlink.net>...
> >Dave Korn wrote:
> >> Dotdotdotcom wrote in message <39F9925C...@earthlink.net>...
> >> >
> >> >You still have a chance to prove me wrong. Cancel my post!
> >>
> >> You are referring to news:<39F6DEA6...@earthlink.net>
> >> are you not? Believe me dude, it's long gone.
> >
> >Just did it. I unsubscribed from alt.california, and then subscribed to it
> >again. My post, mentioned above, is still there.
>
> Yep. As Andrew Gierth confirmed, Earthlink's servers don't honour
> cancel messages.
>
> > There are no cancel post shown in the 500 post that I downloaded.
>
> You don't see cancel posts in the group they cancel an item in. Instead
> the server gathers all the cancel posts together and synthesizes a pseudo
> newsgroup, control.cancel, where you can usually find them.
I make no claim to scholarship in usenet matters, but I have seen, actually seen
with my own eyes, canceled posts in news groups. So what does that mean?
>
>
Here is the original cancel post that started the whole discussion. As you will
immediately note, it is a deja cancel, so what you said specifically about deja
posts is most applicable. There is virtually no way that anyone else could have
canceled this post other than the original author. The whole thread was based
on that cancel post, and that premise. That we have even gotten into
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, is purely due to the obfuscation of WeaselBob in
his attempt to defend a known poster of pornography. That he shares some
political ideas with that cur is secondary to the thread, but it is the primary
reason for his dragging this thread into your group. The cancel post, or all of
the crap that WeaselBob offered up in the defense of this dog, was pure
subterfuge. I apologize for the disruption of your group with this garbage, and
I suggest that you deal with WeaselBob within your own group. Thanks for your
attention.
> > > > >
> > > > > In ny.general Filly <j_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > > > # This post turned up in a routine search of DejaNews.
> > > > > # (before it changed servers):
> > > > > #
> > > > > # Date: 1996/06/15
> > > > > # Message-ID: <31c33285...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >
> > > > > # >Subject: cmsg cancel
<30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >From: BajaRat (BajaRat)
> > > > > # >Date: 1995/12/23
> > > > > # >Message-Id: <30dc6c0f...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >Control: cancel
<30dc6b98...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > # >Organization: BajaRat, Ltd.
> > > > > # >X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 23 12:51:38 PM PST 1995
> > > > > # >Reply-To: BajaRat
> > > > > # >Newsgroups:
> > > > > #
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage,
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen,
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.
> > > > > # >alt.binaries.pictures.girls
> > > > > # >alt.sex.anal,
> > > > > # >alt.sex.pedophilia,
> > > > > # >alt.sex.pre-Teens
Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]
>
> hc23hc wrote in message <39F9D170...@artlink.ne>...
> >Dave Korn wrote:
> >>
> >> "Tiny Human Ferret [reposted because of HipClone cancel]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Woo! another country heard from!
> >> >
> >> >SO, hc23hc, you're a HipClone? Who'd a thunk it!
> >>
> >> Nahh, you got the wrong end of the stick there. After all, hc23hc
> >> doesn't think it's possible to cancel other people's articles, right?
> >
> >Explain it to someone who cares, Dave.
>
> Pay attention. I *was* explaining it to someone who cares, namely
> Tiny. Why you should get so upset that someone jumps in to correct
> his misunderstanding and set him straight that *you* are not committing
> net-abuse and cancelling people's articles I don't know.
Probably I was just being sarcastic to hc23hc, Dave, she brings out the best
in me.
Also, evidently the drily humorous imputation that someone -- protesting
that cancelling the posts of others to be impossible -- might be the best
cover (denial/protestations of innocent/ignorance) for a cancel-spewer. You
know, "both the innocent and the guilty deny the crime".
>
> >Explain it to someone who cares, Dave. My only interest in this
> >thread is why a half-baked forging wannabe sysop like Tiny would
> >argue the legitimacy of forged cancels to distract attention from
> >his unstable, violent pornographer crony, BajaRat. If you want
> >to give Tiny a free education, please don't let me stop you.
>
> Forged cancels are indeed not legitimate. OTOH, if you have the
> rights to an email address, you also have the right to cancel any
> message that was posted with that address - that is to say, you have
> the right to delete any forgeries made in your name. I didn't see
> the start of the thread, but jumped in at the point where you said
>
> > > > > > Idiot! He's canceling his own posts. You can't cancel other's
> posts.
>
> The thread was tied up with some discussion about Deja at that
> point. It's true that you can't get someone else's posts nuked at
> Deja, since they mail a confirmation request to the address in the
> post (although if you become the new owner of an email address
> that someone else formerly used, you could nuke the posts they
> had made when they used to own the address), but standard
> usenet cancels have no such confirmation mechanism and hence
> anyone can cancel anyone else's posts. This, of course, does not
> make it right to do so. (cf. Hipcrime et al.)
Right. The point I am trying to get across to this individual is that once
you get from the initial position of cancels being wrong, one gets into a
thorny morass of forged identities, and forgers posting forged articles to
implicate another individual (at least to those ignorant of the
possibilities in forgery), and potentially you have the real individual
implicated by the forgery legitimately cancelling articles forged under
their name, or you have alternatively a possibility of legitimate articles
cancelled by individual forging the identities of the original poster. You
can also get into secondary layers of permutations of forgery and deception,
etc etc but let's not get into all of that until the situation requires it;
this is not the sort of person you want to give any ideas to...
>
> DaveK
> --
> They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Copernicus. They laughed at
> Columbus. But remember, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--
Be kind to your neighbors, even though they be transgenic chimerae.
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