Smash The Nazis/KKK In D.C. August 7th!
Miguel O'Pastel
SMASH THE NAZIS/KKK IN D.C. AUGUST 7TH!
_________________________________________________________________
A call to stop the racist march in Washington D.C. by any
means necessary
* * *
On Saturday, August 7, at 3PM, a group of KKK supporters and
racist skinheads are planning on marching down Pennsylvania Ave.
to Lafayette Park where they intend to rally.
The people of Washington DC must stand up proud and say that
these would-be racist murderers and church-burners have no right
to organize for racist murder and attacks in the nation's
capitol. This march of violent racists must be stopped by any
means necessary!
Only five weeks ago, in Illinois, a racist skinhead went on
a racist, anti-Semitic shooting spree, killing two and injuring
many. The racist killer was inspired by a KKK/Nazi sect exactly
like the one calling the march in Washington DC. A year ago in
Jasper, Texas, KKK members murdered James Byrd Jr., a black man,
by dragging him behind a truck.
The last year has seen a series of attacks on synagogues in
California, the Murder of two Anti-Racist Action members in Las
Vegas, Nevada and the high school massacre on Hitler's birthday
in Littleton, Colorado.
While to the great majority of Americans, these events are
appalling, to the KKK/Nazis, they are inspiring. It makes them
feel that the time for hate and violence has arrived.
While this movement is getting bolder and more violent, it
is still very internally divided. The group calling this march,
the "American Nationalist Party" is trying to unite this movement
by holding an event in the nations' capitol, in the spotlight.
This will be the first attempt at a fascist march in Washington
DC in 9 years.
In the past, whenever the racists have attempted to march in
Washington, youth from the city's black community aided by black
and white antiracists from around the country have turned out to
express their rage and prevent the fascists from scoring a
tactical victory.
We must send a message to these media-sponsored, government-
protected racist murderers that they are not welcome in DC - they
must go. After the last year of racist violence, it is urgent
that Washington's black youth and the nation's antiracist
fighters deal the KKK/Nazis a decisive tactical defeat to keep
them from moving forward to even more horrors.
This march will be an opportunity for black, Latino and
white youth to send a loud and clear message to the KKK/Nazis and
racist skinheads: we will not tolerate organizing of racist and
bigoted violence. All DC residents who oppose racist, anti-
Semitic, anti-gay and other bigoted attacks should come out and
show their opposition. This march CAN BE STOPPED. It will a take
determined collective effort on the part of many hundreds to some
thousands of people.
BEWARE: there are sellouts among us who will tell black and
white anti-racists to "stay home and ignore the KKK/Nazis," while
they organize and recruit for racist murder. Those who propagate
the pacifist "strategy" are either naive fools or deceitful
traitors. Preaching "non-violence," or diversion tactics is
simply a method of disarming youth, the black community, the
oppressed and the working class as a whole in the face of a
concerted campaign of cross burnings, fire bombings and murders.
Do not be fooled. The KKK/Nazis must be stopped by any means
necessary!
If we fight the KKK/Nazis with a working-class militant
integrationist strategy we can and will stop them. In order to
crush the fascist scum definitively, the full social power of
integrated working class action must be brought to bear.
Experience attests, youth, particularly black youth, will lead
the fight.
The fascists exploit the discontent of white, downwardly
mobile middle-class and working class youth. They offer fake,
radical sounding solutions to the real and growing problems of
unemployment, poverty and economic insecurity in the U.S. today.
The fascists scapegoat and call for attacks on blacks, Jews,
immigrant workers, lesbians and gay men, and trade unions.
To this torrent of cynical racist lies we counterpose real,
militant working class solutions to the economic and social
crisis. For militant, integrated working class action to fight
the real enemy -- the bosses -- and to win jobs for all at union
wages through a shorter workweek -- 30 hours work for 40 hours
pay!
ALL OUT TO SMASH THE KKK/NAZIS!
ALL OUT TO STOP THE RACIST MARCH!
GATHER: 2PM, This Saturday, Aug 7th
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Jafo
>Miguel O'Pastel posted, then thought about:
>
>> SMASH THE NAZIS/KKK IN D.C. AUGUST 7TH!
>>
>> A call to stop the racist march in Washington D.C. by any
>> means necessary
>Good to see Miguel is a firm beleiver in the first ammendment. But
>hey, its only racists who he is advocating silencing by *ANY MEANS
>AVAILABLE*
>> On Saturday, August 7, at 3PM, a group of KKK supporters and
>>racist skinheads are planning on marching down Pennsylvania Ave.
>>to Lafayette Park where they intend to rally.
>Nothing like people excercising their basic rights under the
>Constitution in our Nations Capital to illustrate what freedom is
>supposed to be about.
No, no. People who agree with Miguel excercising such rights is what
freedom is supposed to be about. Others need not apply.
>> The people of Washington DC must stand up proud and say that
>>these would-be racist murderers and church-burners have no right
>>to organize for racist murder and attacks in the nation's
>>capitol. This march of violent racists must be stopped by any
>>means necessary!
>H'mm, free speech is a good thing - so long as you like the content.
>Is that the message you are spreading Miguel?
Apparently so. A key phrase is "would-be", thereby bringing into
focus the concept of thought-crime.
>[one specific example of one racist and lots of suppostion snipped]
>> While to the great majority of Americans, these events are
>>appalling, to the KKK/Nazis, they are inspiring. It makes them
>>feel that the time for hate and violence has arrived.
>And for this reason, they MUST be deprived of the freedoms that
>everyone else enjoys! How else will we stamp out idea that offend
>us?!
>
>I say let them walk. Free speech is not about protecting only the
>ideas and thoughts that are publicly pleasing. It is about
>protecting all forms of speech. If we are going to start banning
>any speech that offends, we might as well start lobotomizing and
>removing layxn's at birth.
Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
>Or at least make it illegal for Jehovas Witnesses to go around.
Hmmm. Might have a point with that one... ;^)
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun.
Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can say nothing about it.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
hc23hc
>
> Lets see if Avi attacks me - or the message of hate and oppresiion that
> Miguel (one of Avi's supporters) is advocating here.
>
> Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> posted, then thought about:
>
> > SMASH THE NAZIS/KKK IN D.C. AUGUST 7TH!
> >
> > means necessary
>
> its only racists who he is advocating silencing by *ANY MEANS AVAILABLE*
Bill could better represent his 'superior' beliefs by quoting correctly.
For the moment, Bill appears to be sniping from gutter level, as usual.
.
.
.
Miguel O'Pastel
a conspiracy to deprive others of their civil rights.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b087b2...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On 8 Aug 1999 05:54:30 GMT, Bill wrote:
|
|>Miguel O'Pastel posted, then thought about:
|>
|>> SMASH THE NAZIS/KKK IN D.C. AUGUST 7TH!
|>>
|>> A call to stop the racist march in Washington D.C. by any
|>> means necessary
|
|>Good to see Miguel is a firm beleiver in the first ammendment. But
|>hey, its only racists who he is advocating silencing by *ANY MEANS
|>AVAILABLE*
|
|>> On Saturday, August 7, at 3PM, a group of KKK supporters and
|>>racist skinheads are planning on marching down Pennsylvania Ave.
|>>to Lafayette Park where they intend to rally.
|
|>Nothing like people excercising their basic rights under the
|>Constitution in our Nations Capital to illustrate what freedom is
|>supposed to be about.
|
|No, no. People who agree with Miguel excercising such rights is what
|freedom is supposed to be about. Others need not apply.
|
|>> The people of Washington DC must stand up proud and say that
|>>these would-be racist murderers and church-burners have no right
|>>to organize for racist murder and attacks in the nation's
|>>capitol. This march of violent racists must be stopped by any
|>>means necessary!
|
|>H'mm, free speech is a good thing - so long as you like the content.
|>Is that the message you are spreading Miguel?
|
|Apparently so. A key phrase is "would-be", thereby bringing into
|focus the concept of thought-crime.
|
|>[one specific example of one racist and lots of suppostion snipped]
|
|>> While to the great majority of Americans, these events are
|>>appalling, to the KKK/Nazis, they are inspiring. It makes them
|>>feel that the time for hate and violence has arrived.
|
Jim Danials
Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> wrote in message
news:ufOU9kU4#GA.295@cpmsnbbsa03...
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
>|of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
>|
>|Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
>|assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
>|group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
>|own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
>|that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
>These are not citizens peacefully assembling They are criminals
>engaged in a conspiracy to deprive others of their civil rights.
As opposed to high-minded citizens like Miguel who engage in a
conspiracy to deprive *them* of *their* civil rights. This, of
course, is *different*.
Miguel, you've demonstrated that you have neither the intelligence nor
the maturity to see what's involved here. I recall seeing or reading,
about a month ago, of some black attorney who represented a white
racist in some legal matter because he believed the racist deserved
the same legal rights under the Constitution as anyone else. Neither
liked the other, but the lawyer did his best and I believe he won.
The lawyer represented him in the face of considerable opposition
from black "equal rights" groups. I think the lawyer was a patriot,
but that sort of thinking doubtless goes right over your head.
I read in this morning's paper that "a neo Nazi group abruptly
cancelled its planned rally Saturday in the nation's capital even
though the city closed a number of streets and spent an estimated
$1 million on police to protect them."
"The march was cancelled because huge counter demonstrations were
planned and 'the media worked this thing up into a frenzy'". You
probably think that this is some sort of great victory, but you'll
think otherwise the day it happens to you.
But the ultimate absurdity came later in the article, with "A
spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department said Ramsey will ask
the district's legal staff to sue the American Nationalist Party to
recover the costs incurred for providing security for the march and
several counter protests."
They want to get paid extra for offering protection for a march that
didn't happen... a march that was called off by its own organizers in
order to spare the prospect of public violence. And they want the
people who called it off to pay the money. But who offered violence
in the first place? The people who obeyed the law by taking out a
permit for their march in a public place, or the people who urged
others by to stop the march "by any means necessary"?
Apparently, it's Chief Ramsey's position that now that the Department
had gone to all that trouble, they should have gone ahead and had a
riot. Kinda makes you want to knock on the side of the police chief's
head and ask if anybody's home.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
"McCarthyism: Character assassination for political purposes,
by asserting that some person is a member of the Communist
conspiracy, especially when this is done by an admirer of
Sen. Joseph McCarthy. Not to be confused with asserting that
some person is a member of the fascist conspiracy, especially
when this is done by an admirer of Sen. Eugene McCarthy."
- Withit's Collegiate Dictionary, 1973
Jafo
Jim Danials <chimpb...@earthliink.net> wrote:
>mudlover
With all the Constitutionally legitimate exceptions that could have
been taken to the repressive thoughts represented in Miguel's article,
we are instead treated to the puerile comments of a brain-dead asshole
with a cutesy username who seemingly can't even spell "Daniels"
correctly. One hopes that it isn't his own real name.
Jafo
>Jafo <jafo@_cheetah.net> posted, then thought about:
>>Apparently, it's Chief Ramsey's position that now that the Department
>>had gone to all that trouble, they should have gone ahead and had a
>>riot. Kinda makes you want to knock on the side of the police chief's
>>head and ask if anybody's home.
>
>And you realize if they had marched; and those who oppose racism for its
>violence had sparked a riot - the asshole would be still be considering
>suing for damages.
We should try to think positively. An ancient question has just
been answered: 'What if they gave a riot and nobody came?'
Jafo
>Jafo posted, then thought about:
>>People who agree with Miguel excercising such rights is what
>>freedom is supposed to be about. Others need not apply.
>Apparently they can, but Miguel's crowd will beat them into silence.
The old "agree with us or we'll fucking kill you approach". It's a
classic.
>>Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
>>of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
>Miguel's crowd will be cheering about their victory for ending the march.
>And nobody will be saying anything about the trampled civil rights -
>including the FBI.
And certainly not Janet Reno's "Justice" Department.
>>Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
>>assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
>>group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
>>own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
>>that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
>The irony here, is that the KKK, Neo-Nazi's and skinheads appear to
>be willing to let people speak out against them in peace. We don't
>hear about many anti-racist protests disupted by violence or ended
>early by police due to the spector of violence.
Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition? Heinlein said
it would be like this; more than forty years ago he wrote that the
end of the century would be "the crazy years".
Jafo
>Jafo posted, then thought about:
>>We should try to think positively. An ancient question has just
>>been answered: 'What if they gave a riot and nobody came?'
>They get sued for not showing. :)
Exactly.
Miguel O'Pastel
people who take you all out will probably not call themselves socialists or
communists. maybe moralists. We know that free speech is only ok when the
corporations say so.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c0da9f...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:13:18 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
|>|of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
|>|
|>|Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
|>|assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
|>|group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
|>|own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
|>|that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
|
|Apparently, it's Chief Ramsey's position that now that the Department
|had gone to all that trouble, they should have gone ahead and had a
|riot. Kinda makes you want to knock on the side of the police chief's
|head and ask if anybody's home.
|
|--
| ~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
|
hc23hc
>
> Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
> and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition? Heinlein said
> it would be like this; more than forty years ago he wrote that the
> end of the century would be "the crazy years".
Perhaps it was inevitable that the sickening ordure of R.A. Heinlein's
apocalyptic world view was to appeal to Jafo almost as much as weaponry,
militarist trappings and a highly-regimented society of uniform robots
would excite the hormones of an ailing desk jockey like Heinlein.
Crazy years it is. But they're numbered, aren't they ?
.
.
.
Jafo
Sounds as if you saw the movie rather than read the book.
>Crazy years it is.
Yep.
>But they're numbered, aren't they ?
Two posts thus far by you in the thread, and you haven't yet touched
the subject matter. Kinda typical, eh? So what about the march - and
the riot - that never happened?
Jafo
<background snipped for brevity; see thread>
>It is abundantly clear that you are on the side of fascism and
>racism. The people who take you all out will probably not call
>themselves socialists or communists. maybe moralists.
Earlier in the thread, I'd written that "you've demonstrated that you
have neither the intelligence nor the maturity to see what's involved
here", and you've just proven me right. What's passed beyond your
limited comprehension is the fact that I detest these KKK assholes as
much as you do. The difference is that of the two of us, I'm not the
one who'll deny their right of free speech while claiming it for my
own. And I'm not the one who calls others "fascist" while donning
the trappings of fascism himself.
>We know that free speech is only ok when the corporations say so.
More quotes from a turn-of-the-century union organizers' handbook
by one who would personally eliminate the right of others to free
speech. And who's "we", Miguel; you got a mouse in your pocket?
It seems that in your concept of a perfect world, we'll have free
speech only when *you* say it's ok.
Heil Miguel!
ipm
> It is abundantly clear that you are on the side of fascism and racism. The
> people who take you all out will probably not call themselves socialists or
> communists. maybe moralists. We know that free speech is only ok when the
> corporations say so.
Taking about free speech. You know something? You're an idiot.
When David Duke appeared at the Cleveland National Alliance unit last year for
a speech, the communists held a violent protest, attacking people and smashing
windows, with several of their doped-up trash being arrested. The next day the
papers carried the headline: "Duke sparks riot." What nonsense. Duke didn't
spark anything. I have been to numerous NA meetings and there's never been any
trouble whatsoever. The only riots occur when the left is present.
BTW, the Duke speech went off with no problems after only a slight delay.
--
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Jafo
>Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>> It is abundantly clear that you are on the side of fascism and
>> racism. The people who take you all out will probably not call
>> themselves socialists or communists. maybe moralists. We know
>> that free speech is only ok when the corporations say so.
>Taking about free speech. You know something? You're an idiot.
>
>When David Duke appeared at the Cleveland National Alliance unit
>last year for a speech, the communists held a violent protest,
>attacking people and smashing windows, with several of their
>doped-up trash being arrested. The next day the papers carried
>the headline: "Duke sparks riot." What nonsense. Duke didn't
>spark anything. I have been to numerous NA meetings and there's
>never been any trouble whatsoever. The only riots occur when the
>left is present.
The "left" consists of those who campaigned for "free speech" in
the sixties (and their spiritual descendants) and who are in the
forefront of denying it to others today. It seems that all along,
what they wanted was freedom of speech only for those who shared
their views. If people don't like the message of the David Dukes
of the world, they needn't attend the speeches.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
Repression: Denial of the right of free speech, e.g., by refusal
to provide a free rostrum for an activist, or the right of a free
press, e.g., by refusing to print, televise, or stock in libraries
every word of an activist, or the right to be heard, e.g., by mob
action against an activist. Not to be confused with protection of
the people from reactionary infection.
Activist: a person employing tactics in the cause of liberation
which, when used by a fascist, are known as McCarthyism and
repression.
hc23hc
>
> On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 01:46:46 -0700, Slick <hc23hc> wrote:
>
> >Jafo wrote:
> >> Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
> >> and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition? Heinlein said
> >> it would be like this; more than forty years ago he wrote that the
> >> end of the century would be "the crazy years".
>
> >Perhaps it was inevitable that the sickening ordure of R.A. Heinlein's
> >apocalyptic world view was to appeal to Jafo almost as much as weaponry,
> >militarist trappings and a highly-regimented society of uniform robots
> >would excite the hormones of an ailing desk jockey like Heinlein.
>
> Sounds as if you saw the movie rather than read the book.
I may have read more science fiction then you, Jafo and have a natural
aversion toward fascist authors and their fan clubs.
> >Crazy years it is.
>
> Yep.
>
> >But they're numbered, aren't they ?
>
> Two posts thus far by you in the thread, and you haven't yet touched
> the subject matter. Kinda typical, eh? So what about the march - and
> the riot - that never happened?
Dragging dead misanthrope Heinlein in was your "special" touch.
"Now get back in line before Heini's drum major beats you off" - is that
more like music to your floppy ears ?
.
.
.
Miguel O'Pastel
am pro-union in all cases. That makes me non socialist, look it up. You
are a collaborator with fascists. You speak up for the cause of fascism and
racism. You have done nothing for your fellow humans. morality was the
same at the turn of the century as it is today. Our day will come.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b7d008...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:23:15 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
| <background snipped for brevity; see thread>
|
|>It is abundantly clear that you are on the side of fascism and
|>racism. The people who take you all out will probably not call
|>themselves socialists or communists. maybe moralists.
|
|Earlier in the thread, I'd written that "you've demonstrated that you
|have neither the intelligence nor the maturity to see what's involved
|here", and you've just proven me right. What's passed beyond your
|limited comprehension is the fact that I detest these KKK assholes as
|much as you do. The difference is that of the two of us, I'm not the
|one who'll deny their right of free speech while claiming it for my
|own. And I'm not the one who calls others "fascist" while donning
|the trappings of fascism himself.
|
|>We know that free speech is only ok when the corporations say so.
|
|More quotes from a turn-of-the-century union organizers' handbook
|by one who would personally eliminate the right of others to free
|speech. And who's "we", Miguel; you got a mouse in your pocket?
|
|It seems that in your concept of a perfect world, we'll have free
|speech only when *you* say it's ok.
|
|Heil Miguel!
|
Miguel O'Pastel
Mussolini in the final victory? Not collaborators, but a working class
partisan group.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b20d4c...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On 8 Aug 1999 22:23:35 GMT, Bill wrote:
|
|>Jafo posted, then thought about:
|>>People who agree with Miguel excercising such rights is what
|>>freedom is supposed to be about. Others need not apply.
|
|>Apparently they can, but Miguel's crowd will beat them into silence.
|
|The old "agree with us or we'll fucking kill you approach". It's a
|classic.
|
|>>Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
|>>of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
|
|>Miguel's crowd will be cheering about their victory for ending the march.
|>And nobody will be saying anything about the trampled civil rights -
|>including the FBI.
|
|And certainly not Janet Reno's "Justice" Department.
|
|>>Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
|>>assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
|>>group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
|>>own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
|>>that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
|
|>The irony here, is that the KKK, Neo-Nazi's and skinheads appear to
|>be willing to let people speak out against them in peace. We don't
|>hear about many anti-racist protests disupted by violence or ended
|>early by police due to the spector of violence.
|
|Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
|and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition? Heinlein said
|it would be like this; more than forty years ago he wrote that the
|end of the century would be "the crazy years".
|
Miguel O'Pastel
We deserve to be reimbursed for the expenses.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b6cfd5...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 01:46:46 -0700, Slick <hc23hc> wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote:
|>> Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
|>> and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition? Heinlein said
|>> it would be like this; more than forty years ago he wrote that the
|>> end of the century would be "the crazy years".
|
|>Perhaps it was inevitable that the sickening ordure of R.A. Heinlein's
|>apocalyptic world view was to appeal to Jafo almost as much as weaponry,
|>militarist trappings and a highly-regimented society of uniform robots
|>would excite the hormones of an ailing desk jockey like Heinlein.
|
|Sounds as if you saw the movie rather than read the book.
|
|>Crazy years it is.
|
|Yep.
|
|>But they're numbered, aren't they ?
|
|Two posts thus far by you in the thread, and you haven't yet touched
|the subject matter. Kinda typical, eh? So what about the march - and
|the riot - that never happened?
|
Miguel O'Pastel
should be arrested. This will happen.
M
ipm wrote in message <37AEEA97...@usaor.net>...
|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|> It is abundantly clear that you are on the side of fascism and racism.
The
|> people who take you all out will probably not call themselves socialists
or
|> communists. maybe moralists. We know that free speech is only ok when
the
|> corporations say so.
|
|Taking about free speech. You know something? You're an idiot.
|
|When David Duke appeared at the Cleveland National Alliance unit last year
for
|a speech, the communists held a violent protest, attacking people and
smashing
|windows, with several of their doped-up trash being arrested. The next day
the
|papers carried the headline: "Duke sparks riot." What nonsense. Duke didn't
|spark anything. I have been to numerous NA meetings and there's never been
any
|trouble whatsoever. The only riots occur when the left is present.
|
Miguel O'Pastel
M
Bill wrote in message <7ol017$rk6$1...@nnrp02.primenet.com>...
|In article <37b087b2...@news1.cheetah.net>,
|Jafo <jafo@_cheetah.net> posted, then thought about:
|
|>On 8 Aug 1999 05:54:30 GMT, Bill wrote:
|>
|>>Miguel O'Pastel posted, then thought about:
|>>
|>>> SMASH THE NAZIS/KKK IN D.C. AUGUST 7TH!
|>>>
|>>> A call to stop the racist march in Washington D.C. by any
|>>> means necessary
|>
|>>Good to see Miguel is a firm beleiver in the first ammendment. But
|>>hey, its only racists who he is advocating silencing by *ANY MEANS
|>>AVAILABLE*
|>
|>>> On Saturday, August 7, at 3PM, a group of KKK supporters and
|>>>racist skinheads are planning on marching down Pennsylvania Ave.
|>>>to Lafayette Park where they intend to rally.
|>
|>>Nothing like people excercising their basic rights under the
|>>Constitution in our Nations Capital to illustrate what freedom is
|>>supposed to be about.
|>
|>No, no. People who agree with Miguel excercising such rights is what
|>freedom is supposed to be about. Others need not apply.
|
|Apparently they can, but Miguel's crowd will beat them into silence.
|
|>>> The people of Washington DC must stand up proud and say that
|>>>these would-be racist murderers and church-burners have no right
|>>>to organize for racist murder and attacks in the nation's
|>>>capitol. This march of violent racists must be stopped by any
|>>>means necessary!
|>
|>>H'mm, free speech is a good thing - so long as you like the content.
|>>Is that the message you are spreading Miguel?
|>
|>Apparently so. A key phrase is "would-be", thereby bringing into
|>focus the concept of thought-crime.
|
|Nothing like banning the public expression of an idea to quickly eliminate
|it.
|
|>>[one specific example of one racist and lots of suppostion snipped]
|>
|>>> While to the great majority of Americans, these events are
|>>>appalling, to the KKK/Nazis, they are inspiring. It makes them
|>>>feel that the time for hate and violence has arrived.
|>
|>>And for this reason, they MUST be deprived of the freedoms that
|>>everyone else enjoys! How else will we stamp out idea that offend
|>>us?!
|>>
|>>I say let them walk. Free speech is not about protecting only the
|>>ideas and thoughts that are publicly pleasing. It is about
|>>protecting all forms of speech. If we are going to start banning
|>>any speech that offends, we might as well start lobotomizing and
|>>removing layxn's at birth.
|>
|>Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
|>of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
|
|Miguel's crowd will be cheering about their victory for ending the march.
|And nobody will be saying anything about the trampled civil rights -
|including the FBI.
|
|>Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
|>assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
|>group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
|>own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
|>that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
|
|The irony here, is that the KKK, Neo-Nazi's and skinheads appear to
|be willing to let people speak out against them in peace. We don't hear
|about many anti-racist protests disupted by violence or ended early by
|police due to the spector of violence.
|
|>>Or at least make it illegal for Jehovas Witnesses to go around.
|>
|>Hmmm. Might have a point with that one... ;^)
|
|Y'all here about the Hell's Angle Jehova's Witness? Knocks on your door
|and tells you to fuck off.
|--
|This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life,
|you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where
|to go.
Miguel O'Pastel
M
Jafo wrote in message <37afe4fc...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Miguel O'Pastel
collaborated with the nazis, sold them goods and were happy to do business
with them. The only organized civilian resistance to the nazis was almost
totally composed of leftists.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b20d4c...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On 8 Aug 1999 22:23:35 GMT, Bill wrote:
|
|>Jafo posted, then thought about:
|>>People who agree with Miguel excercising such rights is what
|>>freedom is supposed to be about. Others need not apply.
|
|>Apparently they can, but Miguel's crowd will beat them into silence.
|
|The old "agree with us or we'll fucking kill you approach". It's a
|classic.
|
|>>Question Of The Day: When, on that fair day in D.C., both sides
|>>of this argument are wearing jackboots, how will we tell them apart?
|
|>Miguel's crowd will be cheering about their victory for ending the march.
|>And nobody will be saying anything about the trampled civil rights -
|>including the FBI.
|
|And certainly not Janet Reno's "Justice" Department.
|
|>>Miguel has no concept of the freedoms of speech and peaceable
|>>assembly. Admittedly, the skinheads and KKKers are one sorry
|>>group of people, but to deny them their rights is to risk our
|>>own. Miguel's position on the matter is indistinguishable from
|>>that of a fascist. Same shit, different day.
|
|>The irony here, is that the KKK, Neo-Nazi's and skinheads appear to
|>be willing to let people speak out against them in peace. We don't
|>hear about many anti-racist protests disupted by violence or ended
|>early by police due to the spector of violence.
|
|Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
|and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition? Heinlein said
|it would be like this; more than forty years ago he wrote that the
|end of the century would be "the crazy years".
|
ipm
> Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot and they
> should be arrested. This will happen.
Only the commie trash were arrested, fool. Of course, they should have arrested
far more of them. Everybody from the NA behaved like civilized people.
Jafo
Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|
>| <background snipped for brevity; see thread>
>|
>|>It is abundantly clear that you are on the side of fascism and
>|>racism. The people who take you all out will probably not call
>|>themselves socialists or communists. maybe moralists.
>|Earlier in the thread, I'd written that "you've demonstrated that you
>|have neither the intelligence nor the maturity to see what's involved
>|here", and you've just proven me right. What's passed beyond your
>|limited comprehension is the fact that I detest these KKK assholes as
>|much as you do. The difference is that of the two of us, I'm not the
>|one who'll deny their right of free speech while claiming it for my
>|own. And I'm not the one who calls others "fascist" while donning
>|the trappings of fascism himself.
>|>We know that free speech is only ok when the corporations say so.
>|More quotes from a turn-of-the-century union organizers' handbook
>|by one who would personally eliminate the right of others to free
>|speech. And who's "we", Miguel; you got a mouse in your pocket?
>|
>|It seems that in your concept of a perfect world, we'll have free
>|speech only when *you* say it's ok.
>|
>|Heil Miguel!
>You are full of shit. None of may posts indicate anything that you say.
^^^^
You misspelled "All".
>i am pro-union in all cases. That makes me non socialist, look it up. You
>are a collaborator with fascists. You speak up for the cause of fascism and
>racism. You have done nothing for your fellow humans. morality was the
>same at the turn of the century as it is today. Our day will come.
What I've spoken up for in this thread is the right of people with
obnoxious opinions to have their Constitutional say.
Jafo
>The march was threatened
Indeed. And just who *threatened* it?
>and it disrupted public order and cost the public. We deserve to
>be reimbursed for the expenses.
Preposterous. You *caused* the expenses. The marchers organized
peacefully and applied for *and were granted* a permit for the march.
It was people like you, calling for the upcoming march to be stopped
"by any means necessary" whose inflammatory rhetoric caused the threat
of violence. If the city is to get reimbursement, every fuckin' one
of you should have his bank account accessed for at least a couple of
grand. I'd love to see it happen, and hear you squeal like a stuck
pig as for once in your life, you paid your own way.
Jafo
>Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot
>and they should be arrested. This will happen.
Arrested on sight for a thought crime.
Miguel should take the sig line to heart.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
"We have met the enemy, and he is us" - Walt Kelly, 'Pogo'
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
>|and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition?
>The racist nazis don't want their asses kicked.
Are there any other groups with whom you disagree, whose
Constitutional rights you'd like to abridge?
Jafo
>My people fought fascism in WWII. You may have stopped, we have not.
You've not only stopped, you've adopted it as your own.
Marcos
ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote in message
news:37AF4614...@usaor.net...
> Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>
> > Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot
and they
> > should be arrested. This will happen.
>
have arrested
> far more of them. Everybody from the NA behaved like civilized
people.
>
> --
> For White Unity,
> ipm
>
They were only 4 from the NA you idiot. What the hell you think they
could do, the wave?
Miguel O'Pastel
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c181be...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|As viewed from alt.california on Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:19:09 -0700,
Miguel O'Pastel
M
ipm wrote in message <37AF4614...@usaor.net>...
|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|> Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot and they
|> should be arrested. This will happen.
|
|Only the commie trash were arrested, fool. Of course, they should have
arrested
|far more of them. Everybody from the NA behaved like civilized people.
|
|--
|For White Unity,
|ipm
|
Miguel O'Pastel
who pose a real threat to the corporations. Dis so all during the sixties.
I saw police stop peel from registering to vote, from attending rallies,
etc., etc., etc. This right does not really exist.
M'
Wild Rice wrote in message <37b7b6af....@news.newsguy.com>...
|On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:20:16 -0700, "Miguel O'Pastel"
|<heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
|
|>Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot and they
|>should be arrested. This will happen.
|
|Wrong. Wrong. Wrong, Miguel. A highly erroneous political process by
|which you give cause for white supremacist groups to advocate that
|"any appearance by any BLACK/LATINO/JEW/INDIAN/NATIVE AMERICAN should
|be considered inciting to riot and they should be arrested."
|
|Get a grip man. This isn't The Peoples Republic of China. It's a
|country where any idiot can stand on a soap box in a public park
|and present any point of view s/he wants. Whether it's a neo-Nazi, an
|Anarchist, a Maoist, a Confucius, Muslim, Fundamentalist, or a "Larry
|Flynt for President." Where a Jack Kerouac can publish "On the Road";
|where James Baldwin can explore Black rage; where Henry Davis Thoreau
|can write about civil disobedience; where J. D. Salinger writes the
|youth-cult "Catcher in the Rye"; where the Rolling Stones can do "I
|get No Satisfaction"; and where Joseph Heller can write something like
|"Catch-22."
|
|Silence the free speech of the neo-Nazis and you ultimately will sniff
|all of us out. Surely you can see where your argument will end.
|Live with it, tolerate it, but don't stomp of the freedom for
|political kooks to present their repugant views, be it a soap box or a
|parade.
|
|Wild Rice
|
|
Miguel O'Pastel
and land your class has stolen from us.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c281c8...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Miguel O'Pastel
conspiracy. This is why pedophiles are arrested for having kiddie porn.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c48207...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:23:47 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
|>|and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition?
|
|>The racist nazis don't want their asses kicked.
|
|Are there any other groups with whom you disagree, whose
|Constitutional rights you'd like to abridge?
|
Jafo
>Cowards, not civilized people.
"Civilized people" like yourself, who urge that others be denied
their rights "any means necessary"?
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|What I've spoken up for in this thread is the right of people with
>|obnoxious opinions to have their Constitutional say.
>No, you have advocated free speech only for fascists.
Miguel, your miniscule intellect forces you to write brief little
one-liners that serve only to illustrate your abysmal cluelessness.
Where, pray tell, have I "advocated free speech only for fascists"?
I've certainly not argued against your right to state your opinions;
I've only countered the opinions themselves. I'll also argue against
you when you claim the right to disrupt the peacefully-intended and
legally-permitted right of others ("any means necessary") to the same
free speech and peaceable assembly that you would otherwise treasure
only for yourself.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two
opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the
ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Preposterous. You *caused* the expenses. The marchers organized
>|peacefully and applied for *and were granted* a permit for the march.
>|It was people like you, calling for the upcoming march to be stopped
>|"by any means necessary" whose inflammatory rhetoric caused the threat
>|of violence. If the city is to get reimbursement, every fuckin' one
>|of you should have his bank account accessed for at least a couple of
>|grand. I'd love to see it happen, and hear you squeal like a stuck
>|pig as for once in your life, you paid your own way.
>We will be happy to pay our own way as soon as you give us back the labor
>and land your class has stolen from us.
Straight from the Socialist Workers' Handbook.
All hail Marx and Lenin!
And Sieg Miguel!
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
Repression: Denial of the right of free speech, e.g., by refusal
to provide a free rostrum for an activist, or the right of a free
press, e.g., by refusing to print, televise, or stock in libraries
every word of an activist, or the right to be heard, e.g., by mob
action against an activist. Not to be confused with protection of
the people from reactionary infection.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>Jafo wrote...
>|>|Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
>|>|and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition?
>|>The racist nazis don't want their asses kicked.
>|Are there any other groups with whom you disagree, whose
>|Constitutional rights you'd like to abridge?
>N one has a Constitutional or any other right to advocate a criminal
>conspiracy.
As you've advocated the denial of the rights of others "by any
means necessary", I certainly hope this means that you'll be
turning yourself in to the nearest FBI office forthwith.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
"The intellectual left of the '90s, it turns out, owes more to
Mussolini than to Marx." - David Horowitz
ipm
> ipm <i...@usaor.net> wrote in message
> news:37AF4614...@usaor.net...
> > Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
> >
> > > Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot
> and they
> > > should be arrested. This will happen.
> >
> > Only the commie trash were arrested, fool. Of course, they should
> have arrested
> > far more of them. Everybody from the NA behaved like civilized
> people.
> >
> > --
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
> >
>
> They were only 4 from the NA you idiot. What the hell you think they
> could do, the wave?
There were over a hundred I'm sure. I didn't attend that particular
event, but I've been to several other public lectures and events
sponsored by the Cleveland NA and there's been from 100 to 350 people in
attendance.
Jafo
>Miguel O'Pastel posted, then thought about:
>>Any appearance by any Nazi should be considered inciting to riot
>>and they should be arrested. This will happen.
>
>Y'know, I am not christian; and I am offended by all these fucks
>spouting the "word of christ". Lets ban them for the peace of mind
>of all who aren't christian.
Don't forget them damn' Witnesses, too...
Miguel O'Pastel
about social parasites.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b4fe6c...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Miguel O'Pastel
They are involved in planning the deaths of millions of Americans, and you
want to let them do it.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37bd6d87...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:30:28 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Cowards, not civilized people.
|
|"Civilized people" like yourself, who urge that others be denied
|their rights "any means necessary"?
|
Miguel O'Pastel
thought up between shopping for party dresses?
M
Jafo wrote in message <37be6dae...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:35:02 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Preposterous. You *caused* the expenses. The marchers organized
|>|peacefully and applied for *and were granted* a permit for the march.
|>|It was people like you, calling for the upcoming march to be stopped
|>|"by any means necessary" whose inflammatory rhetoric caused the threat
|>|of violence. If the city is to get reimbursement, every fuckin' one
|>|of you should have his bank account accessed for at least a couple of
|>|grand. I'd love to see it happen, and hear you squeal like a stuck
|>|pig as for once in your life, you paid your own way.
|
|>We will be happy to pay our own way as soon as you give us back the labor
|>and land your class has stolen from us.
|
|Straight from the Socialist Workers' Handbook.
|All hail Marx and Lenin!
|
|And Sieg Miguel!
|
|--
| ~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
|
Miguel O'Pastel
Maquis, but of course this is America and the police protect them.
M
.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37bf6db8...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:40:17 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|>|>Jafo wrote...
|>|>|Hell of a note, isn't it, when the fuckin' racist Nazis are better
|>|>|and more law-abiding citizens than their opposition?
|
|>|>The racist nazis don't want their asses kicked.
|
|>|Are there any other groups with whom you disagree, whose
|>|Constitutional rights you'd like to abridge?
|
|>N one has a Constitutional or any other right to advocate a criminal
|>conspiracy.
|
|As you've advocated the denial of the rights of others "by any
|means necessary", I certainly hope this means that you'll be
|turning yourself in to the nearest FBI office forthwith.
|
|--
| ~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
|
Miguel O'Pastel
and Irish with a pun. My people were the Lincoln brigades and other
"premature" antifascists. My people are of all ethnic
types and persuasions. They are not the collaborator with or lackeys of
fascism.
M
M
Bill wrote in message <7oqid7$ir8$1...@nnrp03.primenet.com>...
|In article <euM4jMp4#GA.202@cpmsnbbsa02>,
|Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> posted, then thought about:
|
|>My people fought fascism in WWII. You may have stopped, we have not.
|
|
|As someone noted, your surname is french. Care to continue arguing "your
|people" did anything? Mexico didn't. And Spain was facist, albiet
|netral.
|--
|Command, n.:
| Statement presented by a human and accepted by a computer in
|such a manner as to make the human feel as if he is in control.
Miguel O'Pastel
instrument. I do not deny that. The free speech issue is a red herring
used by those who would take away yours and are conspiring to kill me and
possibly you if you don't continue kowtowing.
Jafo
>|>We will be happy to pay our own way as soon as you give us back
>|>the labor and land your class has stolen from us.
>|Straight from the Socialist Workers' Handbook.
>|All hail Marx and Lenin!
>|
>|And Sieg Miguel!
>What the Hell is the Socialist Worker's Handbook? Something J.
>Edgar Hoover thought up between shopping for party dresses?
A clumsy bit of dodging from one who quotes from bulletins of such
as the "National Women's Rights Organizing Coalition Revolutionary
Workers League". Message-ID: <ufOU9kU4#GA.295@cpmsnbbsa03>
"Revolutionary Workers League"? Give us a break. Most of you ultra
leftists will never admit to what you are.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>Cowards, not civilized people.
>|"Civilized people" like yourself, who urge that others be denied
>|their rights "any means necessary"?
>Nazis do not engage in protected speech.
Today, it's Nazis. Whose rights will you eliminate tomorrow?
>They are involved in planning the deaths of millions of Americans,
>and you want to let them do it.
No Miguel, the people who took out the permit for the march aren't
planning that. They would like to carve out their own separate
nation, which is a simplemindedly unworkable concept, but that's
another issue.
The fact is, they're just one group of people whose ideas and opinions
differ from your own, which in your mind justifies the removal of any
rights they may have. The real fascists here, Miguel, are you and
yours.
Jafo
>Anyone with any cultural awareness could see that the "surname" is
>Mexican and Irish with a pun.
Obviously.
>My people were the Lincoln brigades and other "premature" antifascists.
>My people are of all ethnic types and persuasions.
Yeah, like Hillary Clinton. :)
Actually, it sounds more like your use of the word "my" is like the
royal "we".
>They are not the collaborator with or lackeys of fascism.
If the historical "O'Pastels" have been anything like you, neither
were they collaborators with those who, more than two centuries ago,
created a nation that espouses the concept of equal rights for all.
None of your spiritual ancestors would have understood the idea.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>Jafo wrote...
>|>|Are there any other groups with whom you disagree, whose
>|>|Constitutional rights you'd like to abridge?
>|>N one has a Constitutional or any other right to advocate a criminal
>|>conspiracy.
>|As you've advocated the denial of the rights of others "by any
>|means necessary", I certainly hope this means that you'll be
>|turning yourself in to the nearest FBI office forthwith.
>I hate Nazis.
So do I. What of it? It's irrelevant.
>I will happily part any of their hair with a blunt instrument.
>I do not deny that. The free speech issue is a red herring
>used by those who would take away yours and are conspiring
>to kill me and possibly you if you don't continue kowtowing.
No Miguel, it's not a red herring. Rather, it's the key to the whole
issue. On Sunday in Message-ID: <37c0da9f...@news1.cheetah.net>,
I referred - as best I could from memory - to a recent case in which
a black attorney felt obligated to defend a white racist when no one
else would because he believed that the man deserved his right of
representation in court. Predictably, you failed to offer comment on
it in your typical one-liner reply ("It is abundantly clear that you
are on the side of fascism and racism."). Do you even comprehend the
man's point?
Are you able to answer the question, or will we be treated to another
of your quick Workers' Paradise half-witticisms?
Miguel O'Pastel
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c36bef...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:51:11 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|>|>Cowards, not civilized people.
|
|>|"Civilized people" like yourself, who urge that others be denied
|>|their rights "any means necessary"?
|
|>Nazis do not engage in protected speech.
|
|Today, it's Nazis. Whose rights will you eliminate tomorrow?
|
|>They are involved in planning the deaths of millions of Americans,
|>and you want to let them do it.
|
|No Miguel, the people who took out the permit for the march aren't
|planning that. They would like to carve out their own separate
|nation, which is a simplemindedly unworkable concept, but that's
|another issue.
|
|The fact is, they're just one group of people whose ideas and opinions
|differ from your own, which in your mind justifies the removal of any
|rights they may have. The real fascists here, Miguel, are you and
|yours.
|
Miguel O'Pastel
already given us a demo of what they plan to do again.
M
Wild Rice wrote in message <37beb250....@news.newsguy.com>...
|On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:51:11 -0700, "Miguel O'Pastel"
|<heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
|
|>Nazis do not engage in protected speech.
|>They are involved in planning the deaths of millions of Americans, and you
|>want to let them do it.
|
|Miguel, you'd have loved the 50': Commies liberals harboring the Reds.
|And you know how they planned to bury us all. It was believed they
|were "involved in planning the death of...of Americans."
|
|You'd loved the 40': Law-abiding Japanese Americans, gook spies, who
|were rounded up and placed in internment camps. It was believed they
|were "involved in planning the deaths...of Americans."
|
|Your view is very much like that of the white supremacists (or the
|prevailing mentality of the 40' and 50') It's not a crime to
|peacefully assemble, regardless of the worthless, bloated and vile
|thoughts bouncing around in the head of racists and supremacists. Or
|the righteous causes that cause people to march. For example:
|
|Check this out from "Aviator" <S...@tter.com>, which is a re-post from
|Gary Crooks/for the editorial board of the Spokesman Review, a daily
|metro newspaper which serves E. Washington and N. Idaho. Crooks
|was writing an editorial concerning the Aryan Marches in Coeur d'
|Alene, Idaho, very near where the Headquarters for the Aryan nation is
|located. Hopefully you can learn from this post, below:
|
|_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_
|Newsgroups: alt.california
|Subject: A good example of the American way [A second opinion]
|08/10/99, 09:37 p.m.
|
| ***The following is a synopsis of Crooks editorial****
|
|>Think of it this way. Birmingham, Ala., is still nursing the public
|>relations shiner it so richly deserved after turning fire hoses and
snarling
|>dogs on "outside agitators" 36 years ago. Most residents were repulsed by
|>Martin Luther King Jr.'s message. Businesses and law enforcement bemoaned
|>the loss of dollars. Emboldened by majority rule, Police Chief Bull Connor
|>turned on civil rights demonstrators.
|
|Bravo! Well said.
|
|Wild Rice
Miguel O'Pastel
no one. It is a crime against humanity to espouse nazi views and plot to
murder people as in the Jewish school. This is what results from lack of
criminal enforcement of the laws against criminal syndicalism and the
breakdown of the US mental health system
M
Wild Rice wrote in message <37c2b6d8....@news.newsguy.com>...
Miguel O'Pastel
them. Thought you might want to know what some people are saying.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37bc6abe...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Miguel O'Pastel
Johnny Cochran, et al.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37bd6ad2...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:03:28 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
Miguel O'Pastel
the next couple of hundred years. It was a phony deal.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37be6b15...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Jafo
Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>Jafo wrote...
>|No Miguel, the people who took out the permit for the march aren't
>|planning that. They would like to carve out their own separate
>|nation, which is a simplemindedly unworkable concept, but that's
>|another issue.
>|
>|The fact is, they're just one group of people whose ideas and opinions
>|differ from your own, which in your mind justifies the removal of any
>|rights they may have. The real fascists here, Miguel, are you and
>|yours.
>Now you are lying in defense of Nazism.
Sure I'm lying, Miguel <polite pause inserted for those who would lift
the remark out of context>, provided that you clearly state that you
don't believe that the marchers should have been stopped "by any
means necessary" and provided you offer those with whom you would
disagree the same access to express their views as you enjoy for
yours.
That'll be a cold day in hell, won't it?
Jafo
>The liberals were in league with the witch hunters in the fifties harboring
>no one. It is a crime against humanity to espouse nazi views
You're not bright enough to be careful here. It's not against the law
to support the idea of separate states for blacks and whites. The
fact that both you and I happen to think it's a silly concept is
irrelevant.
>and plot to murder people as in the Jewish school.
AFAIK, it's always been against the law to murder people. Whom did
this guy plot with?
>This is what results from lack of criminal enforcement of the laws
I believe you meant to say, "lack of enforcement of the laws against
criminals", and if so I'd agree with you. It seems that our L.A.
shooter has been in trouble before but he's still on the loose.
>against criminal syndicalism and the breakdown of the US mental health system
You of all people, Miguel, should be happy about the breakdown of said
system.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>I hate Nazis.
>|>I will happily part any of their hair with a blunt instrument.
>|>I do not deny that. The free speech issue is a red herring
>|>used by those who would take away yours and are conspiring
>|>to kill me and possibly you if you don't continue kowtowing.
>|No Miguel, it's not a red herring. Rather, it's the key to the whole
>|issue. On Sunday in Message-ID: <37c0da9f...@news1.cheetah.net>,
>|I referred - as best I could from memory - to a recent case in which
>|a black attorney felt obligated to defend a white racist when no one
>|else would because he believed that the man deserved his right of
>|representation in court. Predictably, you failed to offer comment on
>|it in your typical one-liner reply ("It is abundantly clear that you
>|are on the side of fascism and racism."). Do you even comprehend the
>|man's point?
>|
>|Are you able to answer the question, or will we be treated to another
>|of your quick Workers' Paradise half-witticisms?
>Legal opportunists will defend anyone or anything to get publicity.
>As in Johnny Cochran, et al.
That's a chickenshit answer if ever there was one. The attorney
didn't go out of his way to seek publicity; he represented the man
whom he personally despised because he understood and believed in
the Constitution. Which is infinitely more than anyone can say
for you.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>|>We will be happy to pay our own way as soon as you give us back
>|>|>the labor and land your class has stolen from us.
>|>|Straight from the Socialist Workers' Handbook.
>|>|All hail Marx and Lenin!
>|>|
>|>|And Sieg Miguel!
>|>What the Hell is the Socialist Worker's Handbook? Something J.
>|>Edgar Hoover thought up between shopping for party dresses?
>|A clumsy bit of dodging from one who quotes from bulletins of such
>|as the "National Women's Rights Organizing Coalition Revolutionary
>|Workers League". Message-ID: <ufOU9kU4#GA.295@cpmsnbbsa03>
>|
>|"Revolutionary Workers League"? Give us a break. Most of you ultra
>|leftists will never admit to what you are.
>Because I give you the opinions of others, does not mean I subscribe to
>them. Thought you might want to know what some people are saying.
So now you're disassociating yourself at this late date from the
material which you chose to post?
Sorry, but somehow the picture of "Miguel O'Pastel" bending over
backwards to present both sides of an issue is a bit more than this
writer can swallow.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>My people were the Lincoln brigades and other "premature"
>|>antifascists. My people are of all ethnic types and persuasions.
>|>They are not the collaborator with or lackeys of fascism.
>|If the historical "O'Pastels" have been anything like you, neither
>|were they collaborators with those who, more than two centuries
>|ago, created a nation that espouses the concept of equal rights for
>|all. None of your spiritual ancestors would have understood the
>|idea.
>They espoused equal rights for all and proceeded to violate that
>concept for the next couple of hundred years. It was a phony deal.
No, it was not a phony deal. The ideals were true and good; if
human failings caused them to be insufficiently or incorrectly
applied, that's quite another matter.
The difference is, Miguel, that you don't even try. You're the
true fascist in the group.
--
~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
"Two little Hitlers will fight it out until /
One little Hitler does the other one's will"
- Elvis Costello
Miguel O'Pastel
nazis die,.
How you like them numbers. By the way there are excellent sites on the web
with info on guns and silencers to effect his. Good shooting!!!!
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c4e41e...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|As viewed from alt.california on Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:37:44 -0700,
|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|No Miguel, the people who took out the permit for the march aren't
|>|planning that. They would like to carve out their own separate
|>|nation, which is a simplemindedly unworkable concept, but that's
|>|another issue.
|>|
|>|The fact is, they're just one group of people whose ideas and opinions
|>|differ from your own, which in your mind justifies the removal of any
|>|rights they may have. The real fascists here, Miguel, are you and
|>|yours.
|
|>Now you are lying in defense of Nazism.
|
|Sure I'm lying, Miguel <polite pause inserted for those who would lift
|the remark out of context>, provided that you clearly state that you
|don't believe that the marchers should have been stopped "by any
|means necessary" and provided you offer those with whom you would
|disagree the same access to express their views as you enjoy for
|yours.
|
|That'll be a cold day in hell, won't it?
|
Jafo
Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>Jafo wrote...
>|>|No Miguel, the people who took out the permit for the march
>|>|aren't planning that. They would like to carve out their own
>|>|separate nation, which is a simplemindedly unworkable concept,
>|>|but that's another issue.
>|>|
>|>|The fact is, they're just one group of people whose ideas and
>|>|opinions differ from your own, which in your mind justifies the
>|>|removal of any rights they may have. The real fascists here,
>|>|Miguel, are you and yours.
>|>Now you are lying in defense of Nazism.
>|Sure I'm lying, Miguel <polite pause inserted for those who would
>|lift the remark out of context>, provided that you clearly state
>|that you don't believe that the marchers should have been stopped
>|"by any means necessary" and provided you offer those with whom you
>|would disagree the same access to express their views as you enjoy
>|for yours.
>|
>|That'll be a cold day in hell, won't it?
>My proposal is this: One child shot, one nazi dies. One child
>killed, five nazis die,.
Yeah, there's your typical liberal solution - never mind the guys
who actually shoot the kids, just grab a bunch of their amigos.
>How you like them numbers. By the way there are excellent sites
>on the web with info on guns and silencers to effect his. Good
>shooting!!!!
Sure, Miguel. Most of 'em belong to the people you hate. It's not
surprising that you'd emulate them in this way, as you emulate them
in so many others.
While you're out shopping, better get some polish for those
jackboots.
Miguel O'Pastel
segregation was a good idea, but are afraid to say it.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37cae516...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:47:28 -0700, Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|>|>My people were the Lincoln brigades and other "premature"
|>|>antifascists. My people are of all ethnic types and persuasions.
|>|>They are not the collaborator with or lackeys of fascism.
|
|>|If the historical "O'Pastels" have been anything like you, neither
|>|were they collaborators with those who, more than two centuries
|>|ago, created a nation that espouses the concept of equal rights for
|>|all. None of your spiritual ancestors would have understood the
|>|idea.
|
|>They espoused equal rights for all and proceeded to violate that
|>concept for the next couple of hundred years. It was a phony deal.
|
|No, it was not a phony deal. The ideals were true and good; if
|human failings caused them to be insufficiently or incorrectly
|applied, that's quite another matter.
|
|The difference is, Miguel, that you don't even try. You're the
|true fascist in the group.
|
|--
| ~ Jafo http://www.cheetah.net/jafo/
|
Miguel O'Pastel
on.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c5e4a0...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Miguel O'Pastel
right? I can't think of a better way to get nazis to be responsible than
popping off a few. They would then be motivated to clean house. I bet you
don't really know what jackboots are, do you? In a war the only rights are
prescribed by the Geneva Convention. nazis have declared war on us.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37b466e5...@news1.cheetah.net>...
|Not bright enough to grasp the point of the whole discussion,
|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
|
|>Jafo wrote...
|>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
The Pervert
just putting us all on with the silliness you throw out?
Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>
> I already know who you are and what you think, collaborator, so I'll move
> on.
> M
Miguel, you don't know the first thing about anything.
hc23hc
>
> In article <euM4jMp4#GA.202@cpmsnbbsa02>,
> Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> posted, then thought about:
>
> >My people fought fascism in WWII. You may have stopped, we have not.
>
> As someone noted, your surname is french. Care to continue arguing "your
> people" did anything? Mexico didn't. And Spain was facist, albiet
> netral.
Your surname is Irish. Those guys had a singularly amicable relationship
with the Germans throughout both World Wars.
Does that explain your bent-over backward liberalism toward fascists ?
.
.
.
Jafo
>"Miguel O'Pastel" <heresl...@you.kid> wrote:
>>My proposal is this: One child shot, one nazi dies.
>Christ, here we go again. Your knee jerking emotions belong in the
>privacy of your bedroom with your wife or girl friend. Imp is making
>more intelligent posts. "That's spooky". Lay off CNN for a few
>days....get laid for a few more days. You'll feel better about
>yourself and our national problems when you return.
>>One child killed, five nazis die,
>And would it be you doing a drive by.
>>By the way there are excellent sites on the web
>>with info on guns and silencers to effect his. Good shooting!!!!
>Wonderful! Now you're just as bad as they are. Should YOU be
>arrested for YOUR thoughts?
This concept would be beyond his imagination. He's a liberal and
therefore is a cut better than anyone else; his thoughts simply
must be correct because he feels that his heart is pure.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>Jafo wrote...
>|>|Miguel O'Pastel wrote:
>|>|>My people were the Lincoln brigades and other "premature"
>|>|>antifascists. My people are of all ethnic types and persuasions.
>|>|>They are not the collaborator with or lackeys of fascism.
>|>|If the historical "O'Pastels" have been anything like you, neither
>|>|were they collaborators with those who, more than two centuries
>|>|ago, created a nation that espouses the concept of equal rights for
>|>|all. None of your spiritual ancestors would have understood the
>|>|idea.
>|>They espoused equal rights for all and proceeded to violate that
>|>concept for the next couple of hundred years. It was a phony deal.
>|No, it was not a phony deal. The ideals were true and good; if
>|human failings caused them to be insufficiently or incorrectly
>|applied, that's quite another matter.
>|
>|The difference is, Miguel, that you don't even try. You're the
>|true fascist in the group.
>Civil rights for the rich is all you espouse.
Of course that's directly opposite of everything that I've written,
but we already knew that your reading comprehension is nonexistent.
Your sort will always believe what you want to believe, and the facts
be damned.
>I am sure you still think segregation was a good idea, but are afraid
>to say it.
Actually Miguel, the idea stinks.
Miguel O'Pastel
motto: "England's difficulty is Ireland's opportunity" I don't recall any
IRA statement that the Germans were good guys for providing them with
weapons to use against the British imperialists. Realpolitik in action.
M
hc23hc wrote in message <37B3C6A0...@artlink.ne>...
Miguel O'Pastel
with you. Try to develop a personality.
M
The Pervert wrote in message <37B3BE...@spambad.yahooo.com>...
Miguel O'Pastel
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c51307...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Miguel O'Pastel
with money.
M
Jafo wrote in message <37c61311...@news1.cheetah.net>...
Jafo
>Jafo wrote...
>|This concept would be beyond his imagination. He's a liberal and
>|therefore is a cut better than anyone else; his thoughts simply
>|must be correct because he feels that his heart is pure.
>I am no liberal.
Oh?
>Scratch a liberal, you find a fascist underneath.
Absolutely. Now, think about what you've just written.
hc23hc
>
> Baja can make a better
> case for whacking Hispanics than you do for whacking Nazi's.
Sez Bill, giving birth to 'relative absolute' evil, himself.
.
.
.
hc23hc
>
> hc23hc <hc2...@artlink.ne> posted:
>
> >Bill wrote:
> >>
> >> Miguel O'Pastel <heresl...@you.kid> posted:
> >>
> >> >My people fought fascism in WWII. You may have stopped, we have not.
> >>
> >> As someone noted, your surname is french. Care to continue arguing "your
> >> people" did anything? Mexico didn't. And Spain was facist, albiet
> >> netral.
> >
> >
> >Your surname is Irish. Those guys had a singularly amicable relationship
> >with the Germans throughout both World Wars.
>
> Englands enemies.
That makes it all right then, doesn't it ?
Obviously, all that surname hunting got you plumb tuckered out.
> >Does that explain your bent-over backward liberalism toward fascists ?
>
> Do you even comprehend the meaning of the words you sling?
Absolutely. I also understand that you ("facist, albiet netral") don't.
.
.
.