Aliens don't understand America, get into trouble
GLC1173
Down here in North Carolina, a common remark by Mexican illegals busted for
DUI is that they didn't understand it was illegal; they tell officers - and it
is apparently true - that DUI is either legal in Mexico or very trivial.
It's not just Mexicans; in the Midwest, an Iraqi was charged with statutory
rape after an "arranged 'marriage'" in which an Iraqi alien sold his underage
daughter to a fellow Iraqi. In another, earlier Arab incident, Zein Isa - a
Palestinian man in St. Louis - and his wife were convicted of murder after
stabbing their teenage daughter to death in an "honor killing" of the type
common in the Arab world (in which male relatives kill a daughter or sister for
dating the "wrong" man, etc.); Isa was furious that his daughter had wanted to
date, work, and go to college rather than have an Arab-style arranged marriage.
Even for Russian Jews - despite the intense efforts of the American Jewish
community groups resettling these refugees to teach them how to get along in
America (English classes, how to drive, how to shop in supermarkets where there
actually is food), they are getting into problems from not knowing things as
basic as the difference between a candle and an M-1000 firecracker. (The two
don't even look remotely alike.) Four Jewish refugees from Soviet Central
Asia were just injured in Queens when they tried to light what they thought was
a "candle" in their apartment on Yom Kippur - as reported in today's New York
Times.
All of the above situations involve a common thread; aliens in America often
think they can live by the rules of their old cultures - instead of the rules
of the country that they CHOSE to come to.
===========================================================
A family of Bukharan Jews observing their first Yom Kippur in their new
apartment in Lefrak City, Queens, was injured on Tuesday night after lighting
what they thought were religious candles but turned out to be powerful
firecrackers, the authorities said yesterday.
The Borokhova family, emigres from the former Soviet Republic of Uzbekistan,
were lighting what they thought were four yahrzeit candles to commemorate the
deaths of four relatives when the ritual ended in a violent explosion, police
and fire officials said. At least one candle was actually an illegal M-series
firecracker, a powerful explosive whose blast is often likened to that of a
half-stick of dynamite.
Most of the injuries were caused by flying glass, said Chief Fire Marshal
Louis Garcia. Friza Borokhova, 74, was injured under her eyes and on her
forearms; Voya Borokhova, 44, and Sofia Shomekova, 23, were both cut, and two
children, Moshe, 4, and Miriam, 2, suffered from ringing in their ears, said
Officer Gary Cillo, a police spokesman. All were treated at Elmhurst Hospital
Center and released.
=====================================================
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FightBack2
glc...@aol.com (GLC1173) wrote:
"Even for Russian Jews - despite the intense efforts of the American Jewish
community groups resettling these refugees to teach them how to get along in
America (English classes, how to drive, how to shop in supermarkets where there
actually is food), they are getting into problems from not knowing things as
basic as the difference between a candle and an M-1000 firecracker."
While this type of thing undoubtedly does occur, I must say that, IMHO,
Russian Jews will likely assimilate and adopt/accept traditional American
values far more readily than many of today's immigrants from Latin America.
For one thing, THEY (Russian Jews) GENERALLY VALUE EDUCATION FAR MORE THAN
LATIN AMERICANS.
Expect to see Russian Jews who arrived in the U.S. last year employing the
descendents of hispanics who've been in North America for 500 years. Heck, such
a thing is undoubtedly already common.
What gets me is the utter stupidity of (typically liberal) gringos who,
because so many of today's illegal/legal immigrants hail from countries where
the government provides virtually NOTHING to the have-nots, overlook the fact
that, in many instances, these same immigrants are ROBBING THE U.S. BLIND.
The fact that Mexico or El Salvador is run by heartless monied elites does
NOT justify overlooking the fact that so many poor people from these countries
are ROBBING the American taxpayer.
For example, by using fraudulent documents to obtain welfare, free this, free
that and, most ironically, preferential treatment (via "Affirmative Action"
programs) over native-born U.S. citizens.
designated PLC
You will be called a racist for objecting to the Hispanic/mexicano
invasion.
Des
FightBack2 wrote in message <19981001224959...@ng22.aol.com>...
GLC1173
Fightback2 quoted me:
>"Even for Russian Jews - despite the intense >efforts of the American Jewish
>community groups resettling these refugees >to teach them how to get along in
>America (English classes, how to drive, how >to shop in supermarkets where
>there
>actually is food), they are getting into >problems from not knowing things as
>basic as the difference between a candle >and an M-1000 firecracker."
and replied:
>> While this type of thing undoubtedly does >>occur, I must say that, IMHO,
>>Russian Jews will likely assimilate and >>adopt/accept traditional American
>>values far more readily than many of >>today's immigrants from Latin America.
I don't dispute that - but only because today's Latino immigrants don't
assimilate practically at all.
>> For one thing, THEY (Russian Jews) >>GENERALLY VALUE EDUCATION >>FAR MORE
THAN
>>LATIN AMERICANS.
Again, meaningless. It's not hard to value education more than the group
that seems to value it least - and has the highest dropout rates. You are also
comparing European immigrants to Third World immigrants.
> Expect to see Russian Jews who arrived in >the U.S. last year employing the
>descendents of hispanics who've been in >North America for 500 years.
As much as I - a Jew - wish it were so, I doubt it. So many Russian Jews
are on SSI that Jewish groups were among the biggest advocates of restoring SSI
to aliens; 20% of Russian Jews arrived here ALREADY RETIRED.
The Devil's Advocate©
>
> I don't dispute that - but only because today's Latino immigrants don't
>assimilate practically at all.
While driving down Reseda Blvd in the SFV today, I saw signs reading
"Se Habla Español" that were larger than the sign displaying the name
of the business. And corporations are just as responsible for putting
up bill boards in Spanish and making it easier for people to not have
to learn English here. I may be going to Spain or Italy next fall
possibly to study and I wouldn't dare expect them nor want them to put
up signs in English for me, I should learn Castellano or Italiano if
I'm living in their country. But idiots in this country are too quick
to call someone a racist for saying such things.
--
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GLC1173
The Devil's Advocate wrote:
>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the SFV >today, I saw signs reading
>"Se Habla Español" that were larger than the >sign displaying the name
>of the business. And corporations are just as >responsible for putting
>up bill boards in Spanish and making it >easier for people to not have
>to learn English here.
Within the past three years, I remember a letter to the editor in USA Today
saying exactly this same thing; the letter - written by an Atlanta priest who
is an advocate for Hispanic immigrants - said that very few would ever be more
than minimally fluent in English, largely because they faced no need to be.
The problem is that while immigrants can function at the bottom of our
society - working odd jobs, reading ethnic newspapers and viewing videos in
their home language, shopping for food - they will never become part of our
society IN MOST PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY if they don't learn English and learn it
well. Hispanics and Asians alike are pouring into parts of this country where
the ability to minimally function is all they will ever have in America if they
don't learn English well.
Samoa27
Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
conquerors
B. Herder
>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the SFV today, I saw signs reading
>"Se Habla Español" that were larger than the sign displaying the name
>of the business.
Hey DA .... take a drive through East L.A. ... or a drive up Broadway
through downtown ... you'd be hard pressed to find anything in English.
> And corporations are just as responsible for putting
>up bill boards in Spanish and making it easier for people to not have
>to learn English here. I may be going to Spain or Italy next fall
>possibly to study and I wouldn't dare expect them nor want them to put
>up signs in English for me, I should learn Castellano or Italiano if
>I'm living in their country. But idiots in this country are too quick
>to call someone a racist for saying such things.
Heh heh heh ... tell ME about it! ;^)
pokie
glc...@aol.com (GLC1173) wrote:
It doesn't matter; it had NOTHING to do with California...unless you count
the appearance of the word "Mexican" in the text. The "common thread" in the
situations outlined is old-fashioned garden variety ignorance...the same
thing that got any number of European immigrants killed (by either other
humans, animals or the weather) when they attempted to "make a new life" for
themselves in the West during the last century. So what's your point,
"GLC1173"? And what does it have to do with California?
Pokie (who is too smart to live in North Carolina)
>
> Down here in North Carolina, a common remark by Mexican illegals busted for
> DUI is that they didn't understand it was illegal; they tell officers - and it
> is apparently true - that DUI is either legal in Mexico or very trivial.
> It's not just Mexicans; in the Midwest,...In another, earlier Arab incident, >
Zein Isa - a Palestinian man in St. Louis...Four Jewish refugees from Soviet
> Central Asia were just injured in Queens when they tried to light what they
> thought was a "candle" in their apartment on Yom Kippur - as reported in
> today's New York Times.
> All of the above situations involve a common thread; aliens in America
> often think they can live by the rules of their old cultures - instead of the
> rules of the country that they CHOSE to come to.
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> Within the past three years, I remember a letter to the editor in USA Today
>saying exactly this same thing; the letter - written by an Atlanta priest who
>is an advocate for Hispanic immigrants - said that very few would ever be more
>than minimally fluent in English, largely because they faced no need to be.
> The problem is that while immigrants can function at the bottom of our
>society - working odd jobs, reading ethnic newspapers and viewing videos in
>their home language, shopping for food - they will never become part of our
>society IN MOST PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY if they don't learn English and learn it
>well. Hispanics and Asians alike are pouring into parts of this country where
>the ability to minimally function is all they will ever have in America if they
>don't learn English well.
This is the essential tragedy of the efforts of so-called "Hispanic
advocates" to maintain the priority of the Spanish language among
Latino immigrants. Historically, those who immigrated to this country
saw the importance of their children learning its primary language in
order to get ahead. But today's immigrants who remain comfortable
with the language of their homeland and who want their children taught
in that language are insuring that they and their decendents will not
only start at the bottom of our society, but will remain there.
--
~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
"A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national
group in America has not yet become an American, and the man who
goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to
live under the Stars and Stripes." - Woodrow Wilson, May 1915.
Willwork4food
Samoa27 wrote:
and english is your native language?
nopa...@yahoo.com
"designated PLC" <zen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Better watch out....
> You will be called a racist for objecting to the Hispanic/mexicano
> invasion.
Objecting to illegal immigration does not equal racism. Racism equals racism.
- Dean
Willwork4food
-=BajaRat=- wrote:
> The irritating thing about this wretched everyday scenario is that
> most of these colonistic parasites are deportable. It's time for a
> round-up.
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> _/-=BajaRat=- _/
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
all talk, and no walk!
Willwork4food
Angelmoon wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> GLC1173 <glc...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19981001212817...@ng57.aol.com>...
> >
> > Down here in North Carolina, a common remark by Mexican illegals
> busted for
> > DUI is that they didn't understand it was illegal; they tell officers -
> and it
> > is apparently true - that DUI is either legal in Mexico or very trivial.
>
> Nope, they just are used to being able to wave a little cash at the Mexican
> police and get away with anything. :)
>
> > It's not just Mexicans; in the Midwest, an Iraqi was charged with
> statutory
> > rape after an "arranged 'marriage'" in which an Iraqi alien sold his
> underage
> > daughter to a fellow Iraqi. In another, earlier Arab incident, Zein Isa
> - a
> > Palestinian man in St. Louis - and his wife were convicted of murder
> after
> > stabbing their teenage daughter to death in an "honor killing" of the
> type
> > common in the Arab world (in which male relatives kill a daughter or
> sister for
> > dating the "wrong" man, etc.); Isa was furious that his daughter had
> wanted to
> > date, work, and go to college rather than have an Arab-style arranged
> marriage.
> > Even for Russian Jews - despite the intense efforts of the American
> Jewish
> > community groups resettling these refugees to teach them how to get along
> in
> > America (English classes, how to drive, how to shop in supermarkets where
> there
> > actually is food), they are getting into problems from not knowing things
> as
> > basic as the difference between a candle and an M-1000 firecracker. (The
> two
> > don't even look remotely alike.) Four Jewish refugees from Soviet
> Central
> > Asia were just injured in Queens when they tried to light what they
> thought was
> > a "candle" in their apartment on Yom Kippur - as reported in today's New
> York
> > Times.
> > All of the above situations involve a common thread; aliens in America
> often
> > think they can live by the rules of their old cultures - instead of the
> rules
> > of the country that they CHOSE to come to.
Mike
>
> Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
> best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
> conquerors
Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
GLC1173
Pokie quoted me:
>> Down here in North Carolina, a common >>remark by Mexican illegals busted
>>for
>> DUI is that they didn't understand it was >>illegal; they tell officers -
and
>>it
>> is apparently true - that DUI is either legal >>in Mexico or very trivial.
and replied:
>It doesn't matter; it had NOTHING to do >with California...unless you count
>the appearance of the word "Mexican" in >the text.
It has EVERYTHING to do with California; California - particularly the L.A.
area - is loaded with recent immigrants from not only Mexico, but also Asia, to
an extent uncommon in the U.S.
Problems involving aliens not assimilating are, like all other alien
problems, more troublesome in L.A. than Peoria.
hc2...@artlink.ne
HolyRowley manages in one clumsy move to flirt with political
correctness (re:Hispanic) AND take a big fat swipe at Mexico,
with the implication that the prime reason not to use "Hispanic"
is that non-Mexicans might be offended by *something Samoan
did not even say*. He did not refer to Mexico, Mike-o.
You have a dirty mind, Rowley, even after you let BajaRat
brainwash it for you.
hc2...@artlink.ne
>
> On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 04:27:07 -0700, "B. Herder" <b...@qnet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the SFV today, I saw signs reading
> >>of the business.
> >
> >Hey DA .... take a drive through East L.A. ... or a drive up Broadway
> >through downtown ... you'd be hard pressed to find anything in English.
> >
> >> And corporations are just as responsible for putting
> >>up bill boards in Spanish and making it easier for people to not have
> >>to learn English here. I may be going to Spain or Italy next fall
> >>possibly to study and I wouldn't dare expect them nor want them to put
> >>up signs in English for me, I should learn Castellano or Italiano if
> >>I'm living in their country. But idiots in this country are too quick
> >>to call someone a racist for saying such things.
> >
> >Heh heh heh ... tell ME about it! ;^)
> >
> >
>
> The irritating thing about this wretched everyday scenario is that
> most of these colonistic parasites are deportable. It's time for a
> round-up.
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> _/-=BajaRat=- _/
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Hate to break up your boy's little paranoid beef session ...
but you really need to get a new hobby. Signs in Spanish
are giving you nightmares ?
See a doctor. All three of you.
David Eduardo Gleason
Mike wrote in message <3614EA50...@urs.org>...
>Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
>used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
>cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
>Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
>who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
"Hispanic" is derived from the Roman province of Hispania in the Iberian
Peninsula, or Spain. The US Government uses it to refer to persons whose
linguistic or cultural ties are to the "Spanish" culture. Basically, it is
an attempt by the government to classify a group of persons who belong to a
variety of races, mostly "white", with different ethnic origins. The
commonality is not racial, it is cultural and linguistic. "Hispanic" does
not include persons or descendents of persons who spoke Portuguese. Again,
it is a US Government definition and is more than often disliked... as are
all efforts to divide by classification.
Wayne C. Leake
pokie wrote:
> In article <19981001212817...@ng57.aol.com>,
> glc...@aol.com (GLC1173) wrote:
>
> It doesn't matter; it had NOTHING to do with California...unless you count
> the appearance of the word "Mexican" in the text. The "common thread" in the
> situations outlined is old-fashioned garden variety ignorance...the same
> thing that got any number of European immigrants killed (by either other
> humans, animals or the weather) when they attempted to "make a new life" for
> themselves in the West during the last century. So what's your point,
> "GLC1173"? And what does it have to do with California?
>
> Pokie (who is too smart to live in North Carolina)
>
> >
> > Down here in North Carolina, a common remark by Mexican illegals busted for
> > DUI is that they didn't understand it was illegal; they tell officers - and it
> > is apparently true - that DUI is either legal in Mexico or very trivial.
> > It's not just Mexicans; in the Midwest,...In another, earlier Arab incident, >
> Zein Isa - a Palestinian man in St. Louis...Four Jewish refugees from Soviet
> > Central Asia were just injured in Queens when they tried to light what they
> > thought was a "candle" in their apartment on Yom Kippur - as reported in
> > today's New York Times.
> > All of the above situations involve a common thread; aliens in America
> > often think they can live by the rules of their old cultures - instead of the
> > rules of the country that they CHOSE to come to.
>
>
None of these people have any real point, other than to promote anti immigrant,
etc. hatred...
there are far too many of this type of posts that don't belong here.
I wonder, is GLC a neighbor of Des?
--
Wayne AKA Blackie!
http://members.spree.com/blackie/calif.htm
Wayne C. Leake
hc2...@artlink.ne wrote:
> Mike Rowley row-te:
> >
> > Samoa27 wrote:
> > >
> > > Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
> > > best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
> > > conquerors
> >
> > Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
> > used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
> > cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
> > Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
> > who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
>
> HolyRowley manages in one clumsy move to flirt with political
> correctness (re:Hispanic) AND take a big fat swipe at Mexico,
> with the implication that the prime reason not to use "Hispanic"
> is that non-Mexicans might be offended by *something Samoan
> did not even say*. He did not refer to Mexico, Mike-o.
>
> You have a dirty mind, Rowley, even after you let BajaRat
> brainwash it for you.
But Miss B-Rat used goat dung to brain wash him... <G> ...
the sign of a fertile mind...
Wayne C. Leake
hc2...@artlink.ne wrote:
Like ones that say "Aqui se habla español"?
Miss Rat is afraid she'll find one in her window one of these days, along
with a 'for rent' sign...
>
> See a doctor. All three of you.
--
Mike
>
> Mike Rowley row-te:
> >
> > Samoa27 wrote:
> > >
> > > Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
> > > best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
> > > conquerors
> >
> > Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
> > used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
> > cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
> > Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
> > who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
>
> HolyRowley manages in one clumsy move to flirt with political
> correctness (re:Hispanic) AND take a big fat swipe at Mexico,
> with the implication that the prime reason not to use "Hispanic"
> is that non-Mexicans might be offended by *something Samoan
> did not even say*. He did not refer to Mexico, Mike-o.
>
> You have a dirty mind, Rowley, even after you let BajaRat
> brainwash it for you.
Idiot hc proves once again incapable of intelligent thinking.
Listen BOZO Samoan implied Hispanic=Mexicans by referring to
"conquerors". Now unless by saying "conquerors forced their language
upon them" Samoan meant Spaniards in Spain then there is really no other
implication. The Aztecs were conquered by the Spanish. The results
being the Nation of Mexico.
Notice that I didn't mention the Mayans or Incas or other indigenous
people who were also conquered by the Spanish. The reason I didn't is
because the VAST MAJORITY of illegal aliens are from....guess
where?................MEXICO! And it is the attitude of the illegal
population (from Mexico) that Samoa is describing.
Next time try to refrain from acting out your complete disregard for
intelligence on the UseNet and keep your stupid non welcome comments to
yourself.
..................................................................
..................................................................
Mike
>
> Mike Rowley row-te:
> >
> > Samoa27 wrote:
> > >
> > > Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
> > > best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
> > > conquerors
> >
> > Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
> > used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
> > cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
> > Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
> > who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
>
> HolyRowley manages in one clumsy move to flirt with political
> correctness (re:Hispanic) AND take a big fat swipe at Mexico,
> with the implication that the prime reason not to use "Hispanic"
> is that non-Mexicans might be offended by *something Samoan
> did not even say*. He did not refer to Mexico, Mike-o.
>
> You have a dirty mind, Rowley, even after you let BajaRat
> brainwash it for you.
I might add that Hispanics (unless Mexican) do not enjoy being called
"Mexican". I remember seeing my wife becoming angrier then I had ever
seen her before when some duffus asked her if she was "Mexican" (she is
from South America not Mexico).
I have nothing against Mexicans as long as they stay in Mexico or if
they want to come here they obtain a visa first. My beef is with the
illegal immigrants and the disaster being wreaked upon Southern
California (and now Utah also) by them.
Mike
ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE DESTROYING THE U.S.
(FROM http://www.qnet.com/~bmh/usa.htm)
IS THIS THE UNITED
STATES OR
MEXICO???
***
OK.... I realize that I'm probably really going to stir up the pot here,
and probably get a lot of people pissed off, but judging by what I've
seen
over the years, what is currently going on, and the sentiments of the
email I've received, I guess that when the truth bites you in the ass
.... it
hurts. Oh, well ... so be it .... I've never backed off from telling it
like it is yet, and I'm not about to start now.
Let me state right off the bat that I do NOT "hate" Mexicans,
Mexican-Americans, etc. One of my very best friends... that I work with,
carpool
with, socialize with, and taught me damn-near everything I know about
HTML, building websites and computers in general, is
Mexican-American. Although he prefers to be called an American. What
really burns my ass is..... well, keep reading ...
When I was small and in grade school we were taught that the U.S.A. was
the "Great Melting Pot". From when we first started to learn
anything about American history, up until graduating high-school ( I
won't include collage classes, because most of those bleeding-heart
profs. were bent on destroying anything positive about American history,
rather they would teach that THE WHITE MAN was guilty of every
damn EVIL thing that ever happened.) it was impressed upon us ... this
idea of the U.S.A. being the quintessential pot-luck dinner. This was a
good thing! From the earliest days of immigrants coming over and passing
through Ellis Island ( and other ports of entry of course ) they
knew that the U.S.A. was the golden land of opportunity, and that if one
were to apply themselves, work hard, play by the rules, and with a
pinch of lady luck, become anything they wanted to be. And if not for
themselves... then for their children.
Of course, different people set about building communities with 'like
kind' as is to be expected. This is only human nature... as well as
making
this huge change in their lives as easy as possible. Thus the creations
of Chinatowns, Germantowns, Little Italies, Little Tokyo's, etc. etc. Of
course there were the usual problems that went along with different
cultures and races living side by side. What could be described as the
"THEY'RE DIFFERENT" syndrome.
BUT.....
All these different races and cultures had ONE COMMON GOAL. And that was
to become an AMERICAN. They knew that in order for this
brave new world to survive and prosper, that they would all have to
become "as one". Ever wonder what the Latin on every U.S. coin and bill
" E Pluribus Unum" means? It means "All as One". These early Americans
knew what this meant, and also knew that in order for them, and
especially their children, to prosper in this wonderful new land, that
they would all... that they MUST... become as one people... become
AMERICANS. There was simply no other way to do it and have the whole
thing work... and considering that the U.S.A. has become the
greatest nation on earth ... holds testament to that belief. Look around
and you'll still see that for many this is still true, even today.
***
Now... as far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to come to this country
legally, to become an AMERICAN, to further enrich their and our
lives, to be a useful law abiding citizen, and to become "All as One"
... I would welcome them with open arms, as I'm sure the rest of us
would.
But something disturbing has been happening in Los Angeles, Southern
California, ALL of California, and many other states as well. There is
a certain faction of people who are here, legally or not, that seem to
not only NOT want to 'blend in' and become a part of what makes the
'wheels go `round', but for some reason seem to think that they OWN the
whole fucking place, and want us "gringo's" the hell out. There is a
certain kind of 'mindset' that is telling them that THE EVIL WHITE MAN
has stolen THEIR land from them, they were here first, and come
hell or high water they're going to get it back, at seemingly any cost.
(Of course if you want to take that stupid line of thinking to a more
evenhanded and logical extent, one might say that the land should be
given back to tiny prehistoric bacteria fossils that predates all known
life).
There is a concerted effort to not only exterminate THE WHITE MAN from
the southwest United States, but to also erase any presence of
their being, AND to (once again) make THE WHITE MAN look as though he
has been the cause of ALL THAT IS EVIL, and with the help of
our very own government, federal and state, and to a certain extent 'big
businesses' ... this very thing is unfolding right before our eyes. If
you happen to live in these parts you already know what I'm talking
about.
We are spit upon. We are hated, and despised. We are mocked and cursed
at behind our backs. We are murdered and maimed. We are robbed
and plundered. We dish out millions in taxes to be turned over to those
who are not even grateful, but demand that what is given is not
enough, and not only don't just want more... but want IT ALL... They
would not only prefer to, if not see us dead, at the very least, get the
hell
out of the way. They want to turn what was a great city, state, and
country into the 3rd world garbage dumps from which they came. They
care NOTHING about assimilating into what is ... they expect... no, they
DEMAND that the rest of us stoop down to, embrace and love, their
3rd world culture. What was once very familiar surroundings, are turning
into the gutter streets that you would expect to find in Tijuana. To
look around Los Angeles (and other cities) ... in many parts you can't
even tell the difference.
***
Downtown L.A.?? Or downtown Tijuana?? Who the hell can tell
anymore?? As in Tijuana, these stores are equipped with the flashing
strobe-lights, the "fiesta" music blaring out the front
doors, and the "barkers" out front, trying to get you to come inside
David M. Kennedy, the Donald J. McLachlan Professor of American
History at Stanford University, SAYS IN THE NOVEMBER 1996
ISSUE OF THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY
MAGAZINE....
" This Hispanicization of the American Southwest is sometimes called the
Reconquista, a poetic reminder that the territory in question was,
after all, incorporated into the United States in the first place by
force of arms, in the Mexican War of the 1840s. There is a certain charm
in this
turn of the wheel of history, with its reminder that in the long term
the drama of armed conquest may be less consequential than the prosaic
effects of human migration and birth rates and wage differentials. But
the sobering fact is that the United States has had no experience
comparable to what is now taking shape in the Southwest.
"Mexican-Americans will have open to them possibilities closed to
previous immigrant groups. They will have sufficient coherence and
critical mass in a defined region so that, if they choose, they can
preserve their distinctive culture indefinitely. They could also
eventually
undertake to do what no previous immigrant group could have dreamed of
doing: challenge the existing cultural, political, legal, commercial,
and educational systems to change fundamentally not only the language
but also the very institutions in which they do business. They could
even precipitate a debate over a "special relationship" with Mexico that
would make the controversy over the North American Free Trade
Agreement look like a college bull session. In the process, Americans
could be pitched into a soul-searching redefinition of fundamental
ideas such as the meaning of citizenship and national identity."
"The possibility looms that in the next generation or so we will see a
kind of Chicano Quebec take shape in the American
Southwest..."
***
So.... what does this magnificent culture bring us? We'd better take a
look at it, because it looks like it's going to be shoved down our
freekin'
throats whether we want it or not. Let's take a little look around and
see what we can see...
Well... I see houses painted in day-glow colors. Usually a very
"tasteful" combination of Electric Blue and Atomic Yellow. Or perhaps
Neon
Green and Nuclear Orange. Hmmmm... theres a bunch that have no paint on
them whatsoever. Niiiiice... Oh look! Why there's even a giant
shrine to the Virgin Mary in the front yard ... complete with blinking
Christmas lights and everything!
Let's see... there's a bunch of guys in the middle of the day, in the
middle of the week sitting around in their underwear on the front porch
drinking Budwiesers. And of course, a couple of dozen 'empties'
scattered around along with the empty oil bottles. There's a couple of
speakers dragged out the front door onto the grassless front yard
blaring what I would assume to be some sort of Mexican music. You can't
really tell, because it's so LOUD and DISTORTED, it could be anything.
But you sure as hell can hear it from 4 fucking blocks away. Some of
these 'vato's' have enough tattoo's so they look like they're wearing a
shirt. Shaved heads, tattoo's on their heads and THE STARE as you
pass by. Oh look! A couple of them are giving you some sort of
hand-signal! That MUST mean "Hello and welcome to the neighborhood!" in
"homeboy", I'll bet...
In front of this very tasteful domicile are parked a few mid-80's
Buick's with flat tires, oil leaking out of them and a couple of Chevy
trucks with
pictures of cows on the doors and a couple of cowboy hats stickers on
the back window. Ohhh... check out those mudflaps with the giant
chrome naked woman on them! Lesse'... 1...2...3.. Yup! 3,000 running
lights stuck all over it too. That's SO cool! I wish I had a truck like
that.
Hey! Do you hear that? That "BOOM-BOOM! BOOM-BOOM!"? Here comes some
lowered Honda down the street, that's painted about 18
different metal-flake colors, (in between the primer spots) with some
more upstanding shaven-headed citizens, listening to some of that
wonderful, and cultural-enlightening "gansta' rap". I think they need a
BIGGER stereo, because I can only hear that from 6 fucking blocks
away. Hey, they're giving me the "Hello and welcome to the neighborhood"
handsign also. What a friendly place!
Well, lets look out onto the garbage-strewn sidewalk. I see a few places
where the concrete is colored a ruddy-red, with lighted Virgin Mary
candles and flowers marking the spot. I wonder what this means? Maybe...
just MAYBE.... do you suppose that one group of fellows with the
"Hello and welcome to the neighborhood" handsign, gave the handsign to a
group of other fine fellows who didn't want to be told "Hello and
welcome to the neighborhood" and blew their fucking brains out with a
sawed-off semi-auto 12-gauge? Naaaaaawwww....
Lets walk up the street now.... Now, is it just me, or does it seem like
every damn wall has some sort of "mural" painted on it. Again with the
day-glow colors. Don't look at these in full daylight, or your retina's
will be burned out. These must be painted by some retarded 5-6 year-old
kids, because they certainly look like it. Hell, they're on the side of
every wall, business, garage door, school-yard wall, you name it... it's
there. Just the sort of thing you want to be bombarded with at every
turn of the head. How wonderful! An Aztec Indian holding a sign that
says "NO ON PROP 187!!". Did the Aztec Indians know what Prop 187 was?
Look... here's some kind of strange writing... (Let me get out my
Spanish-to-English translation book here) .. Hmmm... it says "Avenue of
the Assassins" .... this other one says "Gringo must die!!" Ahhh... I
MUST have translated this wrong.
Home and business ... the
beauty is neverending.
For more pictures of beautiful art that
grace the vertical surfaces of much of L.A.
Let's walk around the corner... hmmmm... why are all theses kids milling
around? Isn't school in session? Why, there's a couple of what
appears to be 14 year-old girls, with purple lipstick and orange hair,
proudly pushing their baby strollers, along with their heavenly
tattooed,
and apparently 16 year-old boyfriends. Why even the girls have tattoo's
also... on their necks! It must be some sort of sign of 'commitment'
that only can be shared between a 14 and 16 year-old. What lovely
couples they make! The boyfriend must certainly be a very self-giving
father.... he's going into the corner liquor store to get his girlfriend
a 40 ounce of "Old English 800"... how considerate of him!
Across the street is someone with the perpetual, 365 day-a-year yard
sale. Old clothes and broken cheap stereo equipment scattered across
the dirt. Hmmm.... some used tires.... plastic glow-in-the-dark statues
of Jesus .... some cracked ashtrays .... chipped coffee mugs .... Don't
worry about anybody getting this highly valuable stuff before you though
.... it's ALWAYS there, and should something actually be bought,
it's immediately replaced by even more valuable antiques.
Of course, front yards are not the only place of the never-ending
garbage sales. On the weekend, it gets better. Then the masses take over
the city streets and set up garbage sales on public sidewalks for blocks
long.
Next door to this garbage-dump-sale, must live Ol' Mcdonald. How do I
know it's Ol' McDonald ? Because there is a whole freekin' front yard
full of barnyard animals! Chickens... goats .... rabbits.... and even
pigs! It certainly adds a certain 'air of distinction' to the
neighborhood.. Oh
look! The giant bowl of whatever kind of food that is, is full of mice
and cockroaches. I'll bet the neighbors just loooooove Ol' McDonald for
that! He's feeding their pets for them. What a great neighbor Ol'
Mcdonald must be!
One of the many beautiful estates to be found in East
L.A. Truly a "dream house" in anyones opinion ...
As I look further down the street, I see some guy standing at the
freeway onramp, blocking traffic with a grocery cart full of oranges.
Next to
him is a guy selling shrimp out the back of his van. Of course the back
doors are open so you have to change lanes to get around. Down the
other way is some other guy pushing a shopping cart selling corn on the
cob, and big greasy pieces of deep-fried pig fat. Yum! Hmmmm.... I
wonder if these fine gentlemen have business licences? I wonder if the
food they are selling has gone through any kind of inspection? I'm
sure they must, because I just couldn't imagine them breaking any laws.
Just like the leaf-blower guys.
Well, doesn't this just sound lovely? It's certainly the way I would
want to live. And I guess that soon, none of us will have
any choice.
So... where will this all lead to, you might ask. It's leading to U.S.
citizens being made to feel like strangers in their own damn country. It
will
also lead to them (which they are already doing) leaving in droves. Most
people I would imagine, who go to work every day, bust their ass,
and pay their taxes, DON'T want to have their neighborhood turned into a
3rd world slum. Yet I tell you, it's happening, and the worst thing
is, is that there isn't a god-damn thing that can be done. U.S. citizens
are losing ground. HOWyou ask? Not because of this "culture" being
advanced by any means. Not because this "culture" brings any advanced
technology that is based in the area. Not because of any great art
or theater gifts. Not because it is a "culture" that routinely produces
great thinkers or inventors. It's being done by shear numbers, plain
and simple. Of course when you have idiot elected politicians (some with
criminal records, dope addicts, etc.) with the likes of Gloria Molina,
Mike Hernandez, Richard Alatorre, etc. etc., who have openly displayed
hostility for "the establishment" and whom are obviously on a
"Reconquesta" agenda.... that certainly doesn't help either. And the
Feds? Shit, they put on a good dog and pony show, but they couldn't
care less. If they did, things wouldn't be so out of hand. If they did,
they'd have the National Guard all along the border, or have a fence
like
the Great Wall of China. But nooooo.... gotta keep that cheap labor
coming no matter what the ultimate price is.
Oh... and let's not forget those hamburger-headed 9th circuit court
bleeding-heart-liberal, ACLU puppet judges. If I thought it would do any
good, I'd campaign to have those knot-headed dolts voted out of
office... but nobody cares anymore. Besides.... if one of them by some
strange quirk of fate were to be voted out, they'd probably just 'null
and void' the election results as "unconstitutional" like they do
everything that they have a personal disagreement with. Assholes.
Ever noticed that even a dog has enough sense to not shit where it
spends most of it's time? How it will pick a little corner of the yard
to do
it's business, and only go over there for doing it's business? People
(and especially Angeleno's) amaze me that they'd live in someone else's
shit.... and be happy about it.
hc2...@artlink.ne
>
> HC23HC quoted BajaRat:
> >>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the >>SFV today, I saw signs reading
> >>of the business.
>
> and replied:
> >Hate to break up your boy's little paranoid >beef session ...
> >but you really need to get a new hobby. >Signs in Spanish
> >are giving you nightmares ?
>
> ago was not an Hispanic Quebec.
> I still live in that country; it did not become a Quebec for ANY other
> minority group that immigrated here - and I sure don't want it to for any now.
> =====================================================
Don't think pretending to be Canadian will get you an ounce of
extra sympathy for being a sick, paranoid-delusional freak.
Until your condition stabilizes, you're in no state to comment
on the wellbeing of a whole country.
hc2...@artlink.ne
>
> Historically, those who immigrated to this country
> saw the importance of their children learning its primary language in
> order to get ahead. But today's immigrants who remain comfortable
> with the language of their homeland and who want their children taught
> in that language are insuring that they and their decendents will not
> only start at the bottom of our society, but will remain there.
>
> --
> ~ Jafo
At the bottom of society, so to speak, Jafo found BajaRat.
And now he only speaks "body language".
hc2...@artlink.ne
>
> hc2...@artlink.ne scrawled:
> >
> > Mike Rowley row-te:
> > >
> > > Samoa27 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
> > > > best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
> > > > conquerors
> > >
> > > Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
> > > used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
> > > cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
> > > Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
> > > who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
> >
> > HolyRowley manages in one clumsy move to flirt with political
> > correctness (re:Hispanic) AND take a big fat swipe at Mexico,
> > with the implication that the prime reason not to use "Hispanic"
> > is that non-Mexicans might be offended by *something Samoan
> > did not even say*. He did not refer to Mexico, Mike-o.
> >
> > You have a dirty mind, Rowley, even after you let BajaRat
> > brainwash it for you.
>
>
> Listen BOZO Samoan implied Hispanic=Mexicans by referring to
> "conquerors". Now unless by saying "conquerors forced their language
> upon them" Samoan meant Spaniards in Spain then there is really no other
> implication. The Aztecs were conquered by the Spanish. The results
> being the Nation of Mexico.
If you're ghostwriting for Samoan, I can see why you'd be so
into his possible implications, otherwise not. Really.
The Moors conquered a big part of Spain not all that long ago,
then so did the Catholic Church, and a little fat guy by the name
of Franco with his own inimitable brand of inquisition.
They all had some influence on the culture and language, but by and
large the Spaniards lived through and over it.
As for yourself, there seems to have been a bloody conquest
involving cheap drugs and alcohol, a lot of bitterness and ensuing
guilt. You need to get a handle on your own senses before you
do something really stupid to match the rubbish you post here.
Jafo
>Jafo wrote:
>>
>> Historically, those who immigrated to this country
>> saw the importance of their children learning its primary language in
>> order to get ahead. But today's immigrants who remain comfortable
>> with the language of their homeland and who want their children taught
>> in that language are insuring that they and their decendents will not
>> only start at the bottom of our society, but will remain there.
>At the bottom of society, so to speak, Jafo found BajaRat.
>And now he only speaks "body language".
Perfectly predictable: In terms of issue-avoidance, in terms of
meaningless style-over-substance attacks, this is Classic SlickŽ.
You fool no one, Slick. Except yourself.
--
~ Jafo
Visit Slick at http://www.cheetah.net/assholes/005.html
"Into the mud, Scum Queen!" - Steve Martin, "The Man With Two Brains"
GLC1173
HC23HC quoted BajaRat:
>>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the >>SFV today, I saw signs reading
>>of the business.
and replied:
>Hate to break up your boy's little paranoid >beef session ...
>but you really need to get a new hobby. >Signs in Spanish
>are giving you nightmares ?
It may amaze you, but the country I grew up in and was born in only 38 years
ago was not an Hispanic Quebec.
I still live in that country; it did not become a Quebec for ANY other
minority group that immigrated here - and I sure don't want it to for any now.
=====================================================
GLC1173
Mike crossposted from www.qnet.com:
>IS THIS THE UNITED
>STATES >OR
>MEXICO???
>anymore?? As in Tijuana, these stores are >equipped with the flashing
> strobe-lights, the "fiesta" music blaring >out the front
>doors, and the "barkers" out front, trying to >get you to come inside
Today's issue of the Washington Post - a paper that is ultraliberal - notes
that the Texas town the Chicano movement spawned in has had total "white
flight" and is now one of the poorest areas in America.
Translation: Barrioization=impoverishment. It's happening everywhere
barrioization happens - even here in North Carolina (soon to be renamed
Carolina del Norte, as our new arrivals call it). Once-middle-class mixed
black/white apartment complexes end up barrioizing when 16-to-an-apartment
occupancy begins by illegals - and BOTH whites and blacks leave.
GLC1173
HC23HC quoted BajaRat:
>>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the >>SFV today, I saw signs reading
>>of the business.
wrote:
>> >Hate to break up your boy's little >> >> >paranoid >beef session ...
>> >but you really need to get a new hobby. >> >Signs in Spanish
>> >are giving you nightmares ?
quoted me:
>>> It may amaze you, but the country I >>>grew up in and was born in only
38
>>>years
>>> ago was not an Hispanic Quebec.
>>> I still live in that country; it did not >>>become a Quebec for ANY
other
>>> minority group that immigrated here - and >>>I sure don't want it to for
any
>>>now.
and replied:
>Don't think pretending to be Canadian will >get you an ounce of
>extra sympathy for being a sick, >paranoid-delusional freak.
I'm NOT pretending to be Canadian.
I just don't want my country - America - to continue this drift toward a
nationwide variant on Canada's "Quebec problem."
GLC1173
BajaRat quoted me:
>> I'm NOT pretending to be Canadian.
>> I just don't want my country - America - to >>continue this drift toward a
>>nationwide variant on Canada's "Quebec >>problem."
and replied:
>California is fast becoming an American >"Quebec" (or a smelly
>extension of the ditch del sur).
You just don't get it.
It's not just California that's becoming an American Quebec - it's happening
nationwide, even here in North Carolina (which didn't even have practically any
Mexicans only three years ago).
Quebecization in North Carolina means that state troopers here are being
required to be FLUENT in Spanish to keep their jobs - not just learn "survival
Spanish." Same with drivers-license examiners. Signs everywhere are
bilingual.
Willwork4food
illegal immigrants) here. He has always portrayed himself as being only in
support of the laws against illegally immigrating. Now, a statement from
him bashing all immigrants???
hc2...@artlink.ne wrote:
> Jafo wrote:
> >
> > Historically, those who immigrated to this country
> > saw the importance of their children learning its primary language in
> > order to get ahead.
"Historically"?? Where is your source for this little bit of history -
VCT???Or did you mean "...get some head.", in which case they would only
have to move next door to you or Bahahahahah.....
> But today's immigrants who remain comfortable
> > with the language of their homeland
how could you not be "comfortable" with your native language????
> and who want their children taught
> > in that language
(a) they don't have any say in how they are taught (b) when given a choice,
most of them said they did not want bilingual education for their
children...(c) you MUST be talking about Mexican immigrants because there
are no bilingual classes anywhere that I know of for any other language
other than spanish....
> are insuring that they and their decendents will not
> > only start at the bottom of our society, but will remain there.
...which is why there are children of immigrants who are, and have been,
Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Mayors, CEO's..... and the
list goes on and on...And you are ...... what????
My own personal observations are that, the first generation retains its
almost exclusive reliance on their native language, mainly because learning
a new language as an adult is difficult, especially if you are working two
jobs to support your family so that they may have a better life. The
second generation speaks the native tongue only at home or in social
settings where there are others of the same nationality present, but speaks
english in the everyday work world, and in their own homes when they become
adults. By the time there is a third generation, they speak english
exclusively, and knowledge of their native tongue is limited to perhaps only
understanding it or a few phrases they use in communicating with their
grandparents...
Willwork4food
GLC1173 wrote:
> Mike crossposted from www.qnet.com:
> >IS THIS THE UNITED
> >STATES >OR
> >MEXICO???
> >Downtown L.A.?? Or downtown Tijuana?? >Who the hell can tell
> >anymore?? As in Tijuana, these stores are >equipped with the flashing
> > strobe-lights, the "fiesta" music blaring >out the front
> >doors, and the "barkers" out front, trying to >get you to come inside
>
> Today's issue of the Washington Post - a paper that is ultraliberal - notes
> that the Texas town the Chicano movement spawned in has had total "white
> flight" and is now one of the poorest areas in America.
> Translation: Barrioization=impoverishment. It's happening everywhere
> barrioization happens - even here in North Carolina (soon to be renamed
> Carolina del Norte, as our new arrivals call it). Once-middle-class mixed
> black/white apartment complexes end up barrioizing when 16-to-an-apartment
> occupancy begins by illegals - and BOTH whites and blacks leave.
we should return it to it's natural state, that of a swamp!
Willwork4food
GLC1173 wrote:
> HC23HC quoted BajaRat:
> >>While driving down Reseda Blvd in the >>SFV today, I saw signs reading
> >>"Se Habla EspaÒol" that were larger than >>the sign displaying the name
> >>of the business.
>
> and replied:
> >Hate to break up your boy's little paranoid >beef session ...
> >but you really need to get a new hobby. >Signs in Spanish
> >are giving you nightmares ?
>
> It may amaze you, but the country I grew up in and was born in only 38 years
> ago was not an Hispanic Quebec.
> I still live in that country; it did not become a Quebec for ANY other
> minority group that immigrated here - and I sure don't want it to for any now.
hummmm... only 38, and so full of hate!
hc2...@artlink.ne
> hc23hc wrote:
> >Don't think pretending to be Canadian will >get you an ounce of
> >extra sympathy for being a sick, >paranoid-delusional freak.
>
That's right. You're only Frenching BajaRat's bum.
> I just don't want my country - America - to continue this drift toward a
> nationwide variant on Canada's "Quebec problem."
You do well to parenthesize "Quebec problem".
The Quebecois have a grip on their situation, and
could teach you a thing or two if you had any real
learning ability left in your head.
Now tell us about the Mexican "Asteroid problem".
B. Herder
> Quebecization in North Carolina means that state troopers here are being
>required to be FLUENT in Spanish to keep their jobs - not just learn
"survival
>Spanish." Same with drivers-license examiners. Signs everywhere are
>bilingual.
So let me ask you .... say a trooper with 20 years in and close to
retirement (or for that matter, a trooper with only a few years in) is told
'You MUST learn Spanish ... or else ...' Whats the prevailing attitude on
this? Are there small individual acts of defiance going on? Is there a mass
organized effort on the troopers part to defy this? Would a guy who is close
to retirement just say "Fuck you, I'm NOT learning Spanish" and would he/she
really be fired for refusing to learn Spanish? Does a trooper with a few
years on the force say "Hey! You hired me KNOWING I didn't speak Spanish,
and I'm not going to learn" ... are they going to get fired also?
And if they are fired, who do they get to replace them? Cuban refugees? High
School Spanish teachers?
Illegal aliens? I mean, who's left?
And what Politically Correct bleeding-heart liberal allowed this to happen?
Greg Taylor
<36175...@news.qnet.com>...
If I had to guess, I'd say that this was just another
one of GLC's exaggerations.
Willwork4food
B. Herder wrote:
> > Quebecization in North Carolina means that state troopers here are being
> >required to be FLUENT in Spanish to keep their jobs - not just learn
> "survival
> >Spanish." Same with drivers-license examiners. Signs everywhere are
> >bilingual.
>
> So let me ask you .... say a trooper with 20 years in and close to
> retirement (or for that matter, a trooper with only a few years in) is told
> 'You MUST learn Spanish ... or else ...' Whats the prevailing attitude on
> this? Are there small individual acts of defiance going on? Is there a mass
> organized effort on the troopers part to defy this? Would a guy who is close
> to retirement just say "Fuck you, I'm NOT learning Spanish" and would he/she
> really be fired for refusing to learn Spanish? Does a trooper with a few
> years on the force say "Hey! You hired me KNOWING I didn't speak Spanish,
> and I'm not going to learn" ... are they going to get fired also?
> And if they are fired, who do they get to replace them? Cuban refugees? High
> School Spanish teachers?
> Illegal aliens? I mean, who's left?
> And what Politically Correct bleeding-heart liberal allowed this to happen?
he was trolling, and he got one. You!
designated PLC
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Greg Taylor wrote in message <6v85nc$8...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>B. Herder wrote in message
><36175...@news.qnet.com>...
>>
>>
GLC1173
B. Herder quoted me:
>> Quebecization in North Carolina means >>that state troopers here are being
>>required to be FLUENT in Spanish to >>keep their jobs - not just learn
>>"survival
>>Spanish." Same with drivers-license >>examiners. Signs everywhere are
>>bilingual.
and replied:
>So let me ask you .... say a trooper with 20 >years in and close to
>retirement (or for that matter, a trooper with >only a few years in) is told
>'You MUST learn Spanish ... or else ...' >Whats the prevailing attitude on
>this?
So far, it hasn't come up.
If the trooper has only a couple years left, I'm sure that State Highway
Patrol officialdom would ignore it, quietly. If he was new but had attained
job security, and refused to learn Spanish, I'm sure he'd never get promoted.
>Is there a mass
>organized effort on the troopers part to defy >this?
So far, no.
GLC1173
Greg quoted me:
>> Quebecization in North Carolina means >>that state
>>troopers here are being
>>required to be FLUENT in Spanish to >>keep their jobs -
>>not just learn
>>"survival
>>Spanish."
and replied:
>If I had to guess, I'd say that this was just >another
>one of GLC's exaggerations.
Why don't you look it up on the web site of the daily newspaper (News &
Observer) in the state's capital - at www.nando.net/nao? They have a great
archive search; it's free.
Greg Taylor
if they are here legally or not. When I get to know
someone, I don't care what color they are or what type
of accent they speak with, I only care about their
character.
Your character, by the way, seems to be somewhat of a
cross between Homer Simpson, Al Bundy and David Duke
with a much lower IQ. Be honest now, these *are* your
heroes, aren't they?
----------------------
Greg Taylor
designated PLC wrote in message
<45OR1.2887$T5.41...@news4.mia.bellsouth.net>...
Greg Taylor
<19981004143027...@ng56.aol.com>...
>
>Greg quoted me:
>>>Quebecization in North Carolina means
>>>that state troopers here are being
>>>required to be FLUENT in Spanish to
>>>keep their jobs - not just learn "survival
>>>Spanish."
>
>and replied:
>>If I had to guess, I'd say that this was just
>>another one of GLC's exaggerations.
>
>Why don't you look it up on the web site of
>the daily newspaper (News & Observer)
>in the state's capital - at www.nando.net/nao?
>They have a great archive search; it's free.
I searched it and found no story reporting that state
troopers had to become fluent in Spanish in order to
keep their jobs. Perhaps you will post a link to that
article or at least post the title of the article so
that I can find it.
Also, please tell me how you can state that troopers
must learn to speak Spanish fluently in order to keep
their jobs and then post: "If he was new but had
attained job security, and refused to learn Spanish,
I'm sure he'd never get promoted."
Which is it GLC? Will they lose their jobs or will
they simply lose out on promotions to those who go out
of their way to learn Spanish in order to meet the
department's needs? Isn't it the same *everywhere*?
Don't people who meet their employers requirements get
promoted while others are left behind? How is this
different from any other job?
----------------------
Greg Taylor
GLC1173
Greg wrote:
>>If I had to guess, I'd say that this was just
>>another one of GLC's exaggerations.
quoted me:
>Why don't you look it up on the web site of
>the daily newspaper (News & Observer)
>in the state's capital - at www.nando.net/nao?
>They have a great archive search; it's free.
and replied:
>>I searched it and found no story reporting >>that state
>>troopers had to become fluent in Spanish in >>order to
>>keep their jobs. Perhaps you will post a >>link to that
>>article or at least post the title of the article >>so
>>that I can find it.
Look it up under the archive search function.
BTW, I initially read it in the local paper here (Greensboro News & Record);
though their web site (www.greensboro.com/nronline)'s archive search finds the
article free, it will then cost you to look up the article.
>>Also, please tell me how you can state that >>troopers
>>must learn to speak Spanish fluently in >>order to keep
>>their jobs and then post: "If he was new >>but had
>>attained job security, and refused to learn >>Spanish,
>>I'm sure he'd never get promoted."
Easy.
One's in theory, the other the likely way the rule is applied.
Still, it represents the Quebecization of North Carolina.
Greg Taylor
>>troopers
>>>must learn to speak Spanish fluently in >>order to
keep
>>>their jobs and then post: "If he was new >>but had
>>>attained job security, and refused to learn
>>Spanish,
>>>I'm sure he'd never get promoted."
>
> Easy.
> One's in theory, the other the likely way the rule
is applied.
> Still, it represents the Quebecization of North
Carolina.
I emailed the question to the North Carolina State
Troopers Association because I have serious doubts
about the necessity and legality of such an action. I
will post the response when and if I receive one.
----------------------
Greg Taylor
designated PLC
Why do you care about their character???
You neglect yours.
Des
=================
Greg Taylor wrote in message <6v8snt$g...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
Mike
>
> hc2...@artlink.ne wrote:
>
> > Mike Rowley row-te:
> > >
> > > Samoa27 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hispanics believe that they have the world's best culture and speak the world's
> > > > best language. Never mind that their language was forced upon them by their
> > > > conquerors
> > >
> > > Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
> > > used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
> > > cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
> > > Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
> > > who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
> >
> > HolyRowley manages in one clumsy move to flirt with political
> > correctness (re:Hispanic) AND take a big fat swipe at Mexico,
> > with the implication that the prime reason not to use "Hispanic"
> > is that non-Mexicans might be offended by *something Samoan
> > did not even say*. He did not refer to Mexico, Mike-o.
> >
> > You have a dirty mind, Rowley, even after you let BajaRat
> > brainwash it for you.
>
> the sign of a fertile mind...
>
What's that Wayne? The dung or the goat. You should know since you are
the one that is opening your stupid mouth and adding to the idiotic post
of hc23. Your comment is as short and stupid as your brainless web
page, well at least it's short. Anyone who would jump into the tub with
hc23 has got to be a mindless twerp. Everyone else would notice all the
putrefied crap floating on top and avoid it like the plague. BTW Wayne
does your last name reference to the fact that your brain leaked out of
your head when you were a child?
.................................................................
> --
> Wayne AKA Blackie!
> http://members.spree.com/blackie/calif.htm
Wayne C. Leake
Mike wrote:
there you go again, spewing forth shit without even knowing what the fuck you're saying.
the reference infers that the persons mind is still dirty because it was brainwashed with
goat dung.
you, being so fucking stupid and ignorant, can't see this.
you can't see beyond you nose, or was that your dick you try to poke in?
Does Rowley indicate that your ancestors were galley slaves?
Many of those were convicts...
Jafo
>Anyone who would jump into the tub with hc23...
Eeewwww! :-O
Disgusting imagery, Mike. And right after lunch, too.
--
~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
hc2...@artlink.ne
That Mike is such a crack-up. You never know which end his face
is on ...
Wayne C. Leake
FGSilva wrote:
> "Wayne C. Leake" <blackie...@usa.net> wrote:
> >Mike wrote:
> <snipped>
> > there you go again, spewing forth shit without even knowing what the
> fuck you're saying.
> > the reference infers that the persons mind is still dirty because it
> was brainwashed with
> >goat dung.
> > you, being so fucking stupid and ignorant, can't see this.
> > you can't see beyond you nose, or was that your dick you try to poke
> in?
> >
> > Does Rowley indicate that your ancestors were galley slaves?
> > Many of those were convicts...
>
> And don't forget the Rowleys all loved sheep too. <heh heh>
Are you saying that Mike is a stupid ignorant sheepfucker? <GBG> ...
Wayne C. Leake
hc2...@artlink.ne wrote:
> > there you go again, spewing forth shit without even knowing what the fuck you're saying.
> > the reference infers that the persons mind is still dirty because it was brainwashed with
> > goat dung.
> > you, being so fucking stupid and ignorant, can't see this.
> > you can't see beyond you nose, or was that your dick you try to poke in?
> >
> > Does Rowley indicate that your ancestors were galley slaves?
> > Many of those were convicts...
>
> That Mike is such a crack-up. You never know which end his face
> is on ...
The word is 'fuck-up' dear... <G> ...
Just look to see where all the dingleberries are.
He doesn't wipe after.......... (fill in with words of your choice) .....
hc2...@artlink.ne
Eating BajaRat's leftovers ?
Greg Taylor
I received the response from the North Carolina State
Troopers Association and, as I suspected, your claims
are unfounded.
I am told that some troopers have received some
abbreviated classes in Spanish and that some Spanish is
taught in the basic school. Furthermore, the classes
are taught for officer safety and the officers are not
required to become fluent.
If you are not lying about the newspaper article,
either post it or a link to it.
----------------------
Greg Taylor
Greg Taylor
>In other words illegal immigration bothers you not a
whit.
When they support themselves and obey the law? No.
If they are not costing you anything, why do you have a
problem with it?
>Why do you care about their character???
Because their color doesn't matter to me.
>You neglect yours.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
I neglect my own character because I refuse to be a
racist like you?
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
>Des
>
>
>=================
>Greg Taylor wrote in message
designated PLC
joke.
If they are illegal you like 'em.As simple as that.
Des
Greg Taylor wrote in message <6vbul7$5...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
Greg Taylor
judge of character is a
>joke.
>If they are illegal you like 'em.As simple as that.
>
>Des
Des, I *have* met immigrants, legal and illegal, that I
do not like. The point is that I did not dislike them
because they were immigrants or their skin color or the
language they speak. I'm sure that this is too
complicated for you to understand though.
----------------------
Greg Taylor
acesh...@my-dejanews.com
I don´t even have the work to worry about these stupid comments americans
make. Americans by definition are stupid people who make their money slaving
other cultures and saying they are making them free. They never had the work
to try to understand other cultures, cuz they think they are the best, while
they are only a band of fat brainless yankees. PUKE!! Spanish are the
conquerors of Hispanics?? Can this be understood? Isn´t Spain the colonizer
of most America? They conquered the indians only (and many of them were
integrated in the culture of several countries), but in the same way, latin
american countries have many caucasian people, specially in southern Brasil,
Uruguay, Argentina, Chile. So, blond blue eyed people are hispanic?
Descendants of germans, italians, japanese and hungrians and french and jews
are hispanics? And were they "conquered". I think the americans perceptions
of latin america are very distorted. Go impeach your fucking puritan
president and leave latin americans alone. NAFTA sucks. Fuck Canada and USA.
I am for an ONLY latin american countries common market. It would be our real
independence from Europe and from the fucking yankees.
>
> .................................................................
>
> > --
> > Wayne AKA Blackie!
> > http://members.spree.com/blackie/calif.htm
>
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Mike
> the reference infers that the persons mind is still dirty because it was brainwashed with
> goat dung.
> you, being so fucking stupid and ignorant, can't see this.
> you can't see beyond you nose, or was that your dick you try to poke in?
>
> Does Rowley indicate that your ancestors were galley slaves?
> Many of those were convicts...
Wayne, You are just as stupid as you look on your web page. I'm sure
your parents must be proud of your command of english explicatives.
What are you trying to prove? Your in depth knowledge of four letter
words? Is that supposed to prove how far you've come along since your
knuckle dragging ancestors were chasing down animals in the forest?
Why don't your try, I know it's hard, but try and add some MEANINGFUL
discussion to this news group instead of filling it full of your filthy
language! I mean, come on....... a monkey can be trained to flip people
off, but that doesn't prove that the monkey is intelligent. Try to show
us that you are more then a trained monkey.
Mike
> > is on ...
I'm surprised that you can even see to walk down the street Hc, with
your head bien metido en el culo, its a miracle that you can even
breath.
>
> The word is 'fuck-up' dear... <G> ...
> Just look to see where all the dingleberries are.
> He doesn't wipe after.......... (fill in with words of your choice)
Good one Wayne!! Your command of the work f*** is impressive. Do you
know any other words in english or is f*** the only one that you picked
up in your childhood?
hc2...@artlink.ne
> your parents must be proud of your command of english explicatives.
> What are you trying to prove? Your in depth knowledge of four letter
> words? Is that supposed to prove how far you've come along since your
> knuckle dragging ancestors were chasing down animals in the forest?
>
> Why don't your try, I know it's hard, but try and add some MEANINGFUL
> discussion to this news group instead of filling it full of your filthy
> language! I mean, come on....... a monkey can be trained to flip people
> off, but that doesn't prove that the monkey is intelligent. Try to show
> us that you are more then a trained monkey.
In other words, Wayne - Spike here is begging you to be a
better trained monkey than he is. That's asking a lot.
Don't humor him, he's got religion (but not on his side).
Mike
> fuck you're saying.
> > the reference infers that the persons mind is still dirty because it
> was brainwashed with
> >goat dung.
> > you, being so fucking stupid and ignorant, can't see this.
> > you can't see beyond you nose, or was that your dick you try to poke
> in?
> >
> > Does Rowley indicate that your ancestors were galley slaves?
> > Many of those were convicts...
>
Sorry to disappoint you Franky but the sheep ranching is a Mexican
business in the southwest (but you already knew that right). My
ancestors were never involved with them, the sheep nor the Mexicans.
My ancestors immigrated from England and Scotland during the 1800's. I
might add that the immigrated to the United States LEGALLY and
LAWFULLY. Now why can't the hoards of Mexicans and Central Americans
that currently infest the southwest do the same?
Mike
>
> FGSilva wrote:
>
> > "Wayne C. Leake" <blackie...@usa.net> wrote:
> > >Mike wrote:
> > <snipped>
> > > there you go again, spewing forth shit without even knowing what the
> > fuck you're saying.
> > > the reference infers that the persons mind is still dirty because it
> > was brainwashed with
> > >goat dung.
> > > you, being so fucking stupid and ignorant, can't see this.
> > > you can't see beyond you nose, or was that your dick you try to poke
> > in?
> > >
> > > Does Rowley indicate that your ancestors were galley slaves?
> > > Many of those were convicts...
> >
> > And don't forget the Rowleys all loved sheep too. <heh heh>
>
>
> --
I see Wayne hasn't been able to add anything to his large vocabulary.
What is it with you guys? You can't defend your opinions in any other
way except by using foul language and sexual references.......Can
somebody say TRAILER TRASH????? Oh sorry Wayne I didn't mean to upgrade
you from camper to trailer.
.....................................................................
Mike
>
> I don´t even have the work to worry about these stupid comments americans
> make. Americans by definition are stupid people who make their money slaving
> other cultures and saying they are making them free. They never had the work
> to try to understand other cultures, cuz they think they are the best, while
> they are only a band of fat brainless yankees. PUKE!! Spanish are the
> conquerors of Hispanics?? Can this be understood? Isn´t Spain the colonizer
> of most America?
This was a tongue in cheek joke, sorry if it went over your head.
They conquered the indians only (and many of them were
> integrated in the culture of several countries), but in the same way, latin
> american countries have many caucasian people, specially in southern Brasil,
> Uruguay, Argentina, Chile. So, blond blue eyed people are hispanic?
Yes they are Hispanic. The term "Hispanic" refers to a culture. Of
course you have to make minor changes. People from Buenos Aires are
commonly called Portanos. People from Uruguay are called Orientales.
Don't make the mistake of calling an Argentine a Mexican or you might be
facing the pointed end of a facon.
> Descendants of germans, italians, japanese and hungrians and french and jews
> are hispanics? And were they "conquered". I think the americans perceptions
> of latin america are very distorted. Go impeach your fucking puritan
> president and leave latin americans alone. NAFTA sucks. Fuck Canada and USA.
> I am for an ONLY latin american countries common market. It would be our real
> independence from Europe and from the fucking yankees.
My perceptions of latin america are well based in experience and
knowledge, how be it mostly South America. Ever heard of MercoSur?
Mike
>
> Mike wrote in message <3614EA50...@urs.org>...
> >Hispanics? To whom are you referring to? Is not the term "Hispanic"
> >used to describe people who pertain to the Spanish and Portuguese
> >cultures? Don't be so narrow minded to lump all Hispanics as being
> >Mexican. You are likely to offend many Hispanics from other countries
> >who have no desire to be thrown into the same group as Mexicans.
>
> Peninsula, or Spain. The US Government uses it to refer to persons whose
> linguistic or cultural ties are to the "Spanish" culture. Basically, it is
> an attempt by the government to classify a group of persons who belong to a
> variety of races, mostly "white", with different ethnic origins. The
> commonality is not racial, it is cultural and linguistic. "Hispanic" does
> not include persons or descendents of persons who spoke Portuguese. Again,
> it is a US Government definition and is more than often disliked... as are
> all efforts to divide by classification.
So you are saying that people from Brazil are not considered Hispanic?