Re: Dump your CAM & get Cimatron
Cliff
>Best thing Cimatron could do is forcibly retire Bill Gibbs and move
>Gibbscam into the Cimatron user interface.
Idiot banquer with his clueless babble.
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Cliff
Cliff
>On Aug 11, 7:11�pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Latest financial results for Cimatron show they continuing to lose
>> money and revenues continue to decline.
>>
>> http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Cimatron+Reports+Financia...
>>
>> "Revenues for the second quarter of 2009 were $8.1 million, compared
>> to $10.7 million recorded in the second quarter of 2008. For the first
>> six months of 2009, revenues were $16.0 million, compared to $20.7
>> million in the same period of 2008."
>>
>> "Operating loss in the second quarter of 2009 was $(317) thousand,
>> compared to an operating profit of $73 thousand in the second quarter
>> of 2008. In the first six months of 2009, Cimatron recorded an
>> operating loss of $(829) thousand, compared to an operating loss of
>> $(145) thousand in the first six months of 2008.
>>
>> Net Loss for the second quarter of 2009 was $(83) thousand, or $(0.01)
>> per diluted share, compared to a net profit of $205 thousand, or $0.02
>> per diluted share recorded in the same quarter of 2008. In the first
>> six months of 2009 net loss was $(646) thousand, or $(0.07) per
>> diluted share, compared to a net loss of $(93) thousand, or $(0.01)
>> per diluted share, in the first six months of 2008."
>>
>> Cimatron has already gone bankrupt once. I see it happening again.
>>
>> Best thing Cimatron could do is forcibly retire Bill Gibbs and move
>> Gibbscam into the Cimatron user interface.
>
>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
>
>What's that you say Jon, Cimatron's profit dipped 20% in the midst of
>a global economic downturn? Must be the end of the world for
>them........oh wait....
>
>How about this, you clueless fuck:
>
>"(RTTNews) - Wednesday after the bell, wireless kingpin Qualcomm Inc.
>(QCOM | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating) announced that its first
>quarter net earnings declined 56% from last year and 61% sequentially,
>hurt by weakening demand for its wireless chips and additional
>impairments
"additional impairments" includes banquers I presume.
>of its marketable securities portfolio, reflecting the
>distress in global financial markets. Citing the difficult business
>environment, the company also slashed its revenue guidance for fiscal
>2009."
>
>Jon proving once again, his complete lack of knowledge on ANY subject.
What machined products do they make?
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Cliff
Cliff
>On Aug 11, 7:46�pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Wait a minute. I just realized I'm a complete fucking moron. The
>> company that Jon Banquer works for has no debit and has 11 billion in
>> cash. I just proved that I have no knowledge on stocks. Hopefully most
>> people won't catch on that I'm a complete idiot when it comes to
>> business and I'm in debt up to my eyeballs.
>
>Right Jon, and how much "debit" [sic] does Cimatron have?
>
>Your employer's earnings fell 56%. That is absolutely dogshit
>performance, and you're on here criticizing Cimatron for letting their
>profits slip 20%? What planet do you live on? It's also ironic that at
>the same time, your employer's stock is down almost exactly 20% since
>August.
Great way to lose $$ with stock options.
> Just another example of Jon Banquer rampantly running his mouth with
>absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
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Cliff
Cliff
>Q: is there ever any positive thoughts.... ever? on anything?
From clueless BANQUER?
LOL .....
One day he sees a new ad or buzzword & it's the MUST HAVE.
(He NEVER gets it.)
A few days later it's old antique trash.
He's still trying to drill holes.
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Cliff
Cliff
(AKA jonnie bunko)
>On Aug 12, 7:12�pm, cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>
>> They only "scammed" Gibbs for the "general populus" - the every day-
>> get'r done �machine shops- that are most common, not needing the true
>> high end 3D POWER of "the dark side". Its a SOLUTION for everyone.
>> �got it yet?
>
>Nope. Cimatron purchased Gibbscam to try and diversify so they don't
>go bankrupt again. It's not going to work because the market is moving
>away from stand alone CAM toward fully integrated CADCAM inside
>SolidWorks.
Gee, Why would anybody want to add CAD to SolidWorks?
>Here is the latest:
>
>www.delcamforsolidworks.com
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Cliff
Cliff
>On Aug 12, 7:12�pm, cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>
>> They only "scammed" Gibbs for the "general populus" - the every day-
>> get'r done �machine shops- that are most common, not needing the true
>> high end 3D POWER of "the dark side". Its a SOLUTION for everyone.
>> �got it yet?
>
>Nope. Cimatron purchased Gibbscam to try and diversify so they don't
>go bankrupt again. It's not going to work because the market is moving
>away from stand alone CAM toward fully integrated CADCAM inside
>SolidWorks.
What's "fully integrated" about having two vendors & two
software packages to support & maintain & get training for?
>
>Here is the latest:
>
>www.delcamforsolidworks.com
So you WILL NOT be getting UG after all?
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Cliff
Cliff
> is the FACT that SolidCAM doesn't just run
>inside of SolidWorks.
http://www.solidcam.com/
"SolidCAM�, the leading and fastest-growing CAM system running in SolidWorks�
"
TS, BS banquer.
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Cliff
Cliff
>SolidWorks gives CAM developers some great tools to work with. Imagine
>being able to have high quality chaining you can actually see rather
>than what Mastercam has now... chains with thin wireframe arrows that
>often disappear and are often very hard to see.
Everybody else knows how to use it.
You don't even know what a chain is.
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Cliff
Cliff
>> It seems that trying to limp along & keep kicking a sleeping dog
>> (MCx'ers)- turning existing cam software in to un-usable buggy
>> behemoths- is the way things progress?
>
>Nope. CNC Software has no choice now other than to try and make
>Mastercam CAD much, much better.
What part of the "CAM" in MasterCAM keeps escaping you?
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Cliff
Cliff
>> It seems that trying to limp along & keep kicking a sleeping dog
>> (MCx'ers)- turning existing cam software in to un-usable buggy
>> behemoths- is the way things progress?
>
>Nope. CNC Software has no choice now other than to try and make
>Mastercam CAD much, much better. Most other companies have thrown in
>the towel and will ride the integrated into SolidWorks approach like
>many other CAM vendors are doing. CAM is now going to get much better
>at a much faster pace than in the recent past.
>
>Speaking of the past... for the wrong answers from someone who lives
>in the very distant past and talks out his ass about machining and
>most CADCAM subjects be sure to read your pal Cliffy Huprich's
>response. As usual it will be wrong, filled with lies and so
>uninformed that it will be laughable.
Be sure to tell Vinny & Bill & thousands of others to dump UG,
Catia & Pro-E.
LOL ...
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Cliff
Cliff
>be sure to read your pal Cliffy Huprich's
>response.
But you say you don't read my posts.
Liar.
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Cliff
Cliff
>Autodesk Inventor isn't based on AutoCAD at all and it is purely
>mechanical.
No CAD eh?
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Cliff
Cliff
>> No problem in IT13, you have a choice of chain highlighting by font or
>> color. Also MANY options on how to chain selections - by window,
>> criteria, level, pick , backup , closed/open-surf edges/ & tons more
>
>No doubt but when it comes to production machining Cimatron doesn't
>have the tools. Suggest you read what I said should be done with
>Gibbscam till it sinks in.
Ask him what "production machining" is. Should be funny
... perhaps needing to drill three holes instead of one or two ...
Or perhaps you need an ever-changing number of pallets.
Ask him how that went .... LOL ... and for a job ref from
there ....
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Cliff
Cliff
>> MasterCAM is what is says: CAM with CAD fer show? not really a stong
>> point? Nobody does detailed technical drawings/article drawings with
>> MC detailing? maybe just "In House" stuff for the guys on the floor.
>
>Ever heard of Mastercam Design? It's what it says: Mastercam Design.
But once you design a Mastercam who would buy it??
Have YOU ever designed one?
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Cliff
Cliff
>> Its official he's now the"Kernel Clifford" - young grasshopper-
>> somebody's gotta keep you in check.
>
>Nobody keeps me in check and you know it. Many have tried and all have
>failed and all will continue to fail.
The dumber you get the better too. A few more steps & you
will be a small rock, right?
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Cliff
Cliff
>
>> BB has the right idea. GTFOH
>
>Suggest you worry about your own ass rather than BB who's got his own
>problems.
What did you try to do to him this time?
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Cliff
cncmillgil
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:26:30 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> MasterCAM is what is says: CAM with CAD fer show? not really a stong
> >> point? Nobody does detailed technical drawings/article drawings with
> >> MC detailing? maybe just "In House" stuff for the guys on the floor.
>
> >Ever heard of Mastercam Design? It's what it says: Mastercam Design.
>
> But once you design a Mastercam who would buy it??
> Have YOU ever designed one?
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> Cliff
> Have YOU ever designed one?
Yes I did! Quite a few actually. A Mastercam car! Pinwood Derby
special XYZ "scale" to fit a standard pinewood block. I still have one
for show & tell. When the kids were small(mid 90's) we did a "Shop
Field Trip" day one Saturday. So long story short, I "borrowed" the MC
car 3D geometery, put it in Cimatron- fixed-itup so it was watertight
fer shits & giggles, xyz scaled it, toolpathed-it. As an experiment&
fer grins I brought it into Solidworks from Cimatron thru IGES file
(try that one Gurus) One reason nobody likes Cimatron- F'in IGES
default settings are ..... well... wrong for most everybodys CAD/CAM.
A couple toggle settings & it makes sweet IGES files for Mastercam
(with drawings/views/levels/dims everything nicey nicey not ontop of
one another geometery like I'm sure most have expericed with Cimatron
translation + a dumb solid into Solidworks to do additional cuts
(resessed wheel wells)/rads - tweeking, & so on.
I have 2 sons, so there have been quite a few Pinwood derby cars.
Needless to say, the CNC machined cars never won. But they looked
nice.
My oldest did win the Derby one year, his 10 min of fame. It was a Dad/
Son hand carved- the way its supposed to be.
Over the years my G-Code MC car & other Solid car designs have made it
onto many blocks of wood for kids in other Packs & even some Aluminum
"Dad's" cars, by one of my Hurco buddies I gave the code to.
Well, just one more reason to "Dump your CAM &
get .................... oh ya Cima - Who?
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cncmillgil
I've "keept" this one going a while now, so lets do alittle review on
the reasons TO or not to DUMP & RUN:
1) Cimatron has been light years ahead of Mastercam for years.Mar 11,
6:16 am
2)> vinny wrote:
> > From what Iv'e looked at one version ago, cimitron would not be my choice to> > build molds if I had 15 grand to spend.
poor Vinny, I think he's in a better place now?
BD > Mastercam is steaming pile of shit compared to Cimatron, it ain't
worth> adding anything too.
Hehehehehe! Steaming POS LOL!
3)If your a wireframe & surface head, you'd love Cimatron IT13(its
only
6 yrs old) There is nothing that I have found it cant surface model,
fillet, blend -cheat ect.. Not having to be concerned with silly
things like surface normals & drive surfaces.
4)The FACT is that Mastercam is a very buggy program that costs shops
lots to lost time.
JB on a "good day"<g>
5)I'll back that statement. Mastercam blows for drilling cycles. I ran
Cimatron for 15 years prior to our shop switching to Mastercam and i
was
severely dissapointed. We switched to Mastercam four years ago and it
has
been nothing but a dissapointment to me.
Hmmm
6)> No first hand experience myself yet, but our Cimatron gurus were
> showing me how it automatically adjusts feed rates at intersections
> when drilling intersecting water lines in molds for example. That
> alone is priceless when you do a lot of unattended / semi-attended
> mold machining. No such functionality like that in Mastercam without
> creating separate operations for each hole.
Sweet!
7)I have played with Catia, UGS, Solidworks, have ten years in with
Inventor,
20 with Autocad, you guys have motivated me to try out Cimatron.
Amen brother!
8)One other cool feature of an integrated system is you get a REAL
modeler. Much hype has been touted by a certain person here about
"Synchronous Technology" but I must say it's THE biggest advance for
those of use that must tweak a customers "dumb" solid model to make it
work. It's dead simple to use. It even keeps a history of the changes.
I
would think Cimatron would have something similar.
(upto last post #40-Bill Mar 13, 8:03 pm)
will continue later.
9)
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Cliff
>> 4)The FACT is that Mastercam is a very buggy program that costs shops
>> lots to lost time.
>>
>> JB on a "good day"<g>
>
>It's the buggiest CAM program I've ever used. I have to close and
>restart Mastercam at the very least two times a week and sometimes up
>to 5 times.
<Snicker>
Ever wonder what you are doing wrong?
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Cliff
Cliff
>> 5)I'll back that statement. Mastercam blows for drilling cycles. I ran
>> Cimatron for 15 years prior to our shop switching to Mastercam and i
>> was
>> severely dissapointed. We switched to Mastercam four years ago and it
>> has
>> been nothing but a dissapointment to me.
>
>How soon before you can help fucking morons like Vinny and Cliffy
>Huprich figure this one out? How soon before you can help Bottlebob
>figure out that just because Mastercam is the most popular doesn't
>mean it's good at the basics.... for Christ sake Mastercam can't even
>get drilling right!
The clueless wonder got his claimed current job posing
as a MasterCAM expert.
What BS.
And he still cannot drill holes with it.
<Snicker>
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Cliff
Cliff
>> 6)> No first hand experience myself yet, but our Cimatron gurus were
>>
>> > showing me how it automatically adjusts feed rates at intersections
>> > when drilling intersecting water lines in molds for example. That
>> > alone is priceless when you do a lot of unattended / semi-attended
>> > mold machining. No such functionality like that in Mastercam without
>> > creating separate operations for each hole.
>
>Very nice! There is a lot more to drilling than a fucking moron like
>Cliff Huprich or the real, fake Joe788 have a clue about.
Our beloved clueless idiot is now posing as a mold guy.
I doubt he's ever seen one.
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Cliff
Cliff
>> 8)One other cool feature of an integrated system is you get a REAL
>> modeler. Much hype has been touted by a certain person here about
>> "Synchronous Technology" but I must say it's THE biggest advance for
>> those of use that must tweak a customers "dumb" solid model to make it
>> work. It's dead simple to use. It even keeps a history of the changes.
>
>For years I've said you can't separate CAM from CAD
Liar.
> because you need
>great CAD to have great CAM and fucking morons like Cliffy Huprich and
>James Meyette disagreed. James Meyette would post some crap like it's
>Master*CAM* not MasterCAD.... yeah right. What a fucking moron.
It IS Master*CAM*.
>Solid Edge with ST is the best direct modeler I've ever used by far!
You don't have it & have never used it. Hence you lie again, as usual.
>There is no hype.
Hence all the help you have given Phil, right?
> It�s how a direct modeling program should be made
>and it�s user interface blows the fucking doors off other direct
>modelers with SpaceClaim being the exception.
Idiot. Explicit modelers are not new. Nor are parametrics.
>I greatly prefer it to
>CoCreate's user interface.
You don't have or use that either.
>The problem is no one is going to create
>CAM to run inside of Solid Edge with ST except Siemens.
Idiot.
>The same
>problem exists for CoCreate because PTC now owns it and PTC has their
>head up their ass when it comes to CAM.
Which is why some of their stuff is so advanced even today.
>It's also a major problem that Siemens is proving that like UGS they
>can't market for shit either.
Like not selling complex stuff to morons, idiots & fools?
Which is why UG is the market leader, right?
Information & facts just go in his head & drool right back out.
I think they get afraid of the crazy, the dark & being so alone.
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Cliff
Cliff
> The last place I worked we were looking at upgrading from mastercam 9.1.
> We played with x1 for 3 months. The stuff was absolute junk. The interface
>ruined anything good about it. We eventually went back to 9.1.
But banquer said it was better than sliced bread !!!
(Any time the user interface is changed few actual existing customers
will like it .. they already know how to use it as it was & have to both
unlearn what worked & then learn the new. The unlearning can be very
hard to do and it all takes away from production. Poor clueless idiot banquer,
never having been an actual user of anything at all, cannot & never will
grasp this.)
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cncmillgil
Wooooooow
Better than sliced bread? Hey! thats HOLDZEM©® you guys are talking
about now!
I stole that phrase about 4yrs ago. Wah Wah Wah!!!!!!!!!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297868987&category=158950&sspagename=rvi:1:1v_
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HOLDZEM©®
contrary to popular spellings
holem holder ahole, hokem
Cliff
>On Aug 19, 3:08�am, "vinny" <vi...@vp3d.net> wrote:
>> "cncmillgil" <mil...@cin.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5e138575-836c-4a6d...@g31g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 16, 3:24 pm, "vinny" <vi...@vp3d.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "cncmillgil" <mil...@cin.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:bd6d91d0-7a7c-49e9...@z31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Well, yes I am.
>> > But I feel quoted out of context even though I don't remember typing that.
>>
>> No shit, I'm CCPing these in from the ongoing post. Damn I too have
>> problems with memory.<g>
>>
>>
>>
>> > The last place I worked we were looking at upgrading from mastercam 9.1.
>>
>> It's looking like ver9.XX was the last of the "Mowhekins" probably
>> like IT13 is. All good shit goes away for cheaper/easier/more??
>> whatever.
>>
>> > We played with x1 for 3 months. The stuff was absolute junk. The interface
>> > ruined anything good about it. We eventually went back to 9.1.
>>
>> I think its kinda the same way with Cimatron initial releases of
>> Elete. Its hard to get the old die-hard IT users to switch. Specialliy
>> if your happy/confident in g-code output & the splindles are running.
>> Basicalily its a simple explination for Cimatron, but not with
>> Mastercam.
>> IT13 does just about everything I'll ever have to do,besides 5X stuff?
>> so why upgrade/switch learn new? Its rock solid down & dirty get'er
>> done shit!
>> HTF can you beat that?????????(besides CAMEX- but thats another
>> debate)
>>
>> If I worked at a 5axis place(i did at one time- Fidia's running off of
>> Delcam) I would look a little closer into Elete or UG.
>> So for now I'll take your word on NX.
>> I'm trusting you now man.... Don't fuck me up LOL!
>>
>> > We looked at a lot of systems that went into solidworks, and for us those
>> > were the best way to go, for price and performance.
>>
>> > Now cimitron...
>> > I looked at the electrode manufacturing stuff, and I felt it wasn't quite
>> > there yet. (maybe 2-3 years ago)And for 15 grand and the fact we would of
>> > had to buy a new computer, and spend money and time on training I felt
>> > there
>> > was better ways to go.
>> > Now...that doesn't say cimitron sucks. It says a lot about the conditions
>> > of the system where I worked at the time.
>>
>> Exactly- well said- conditions> of the system where I worked at the time.
>>
>> Make due with what you have.
>>
>> > Now fast forward to where I am now.
>> > They bought NX2 when it first came out, to replace smartcam as a long term
>> > solution. They wanted to use the same stuff for design and machining, with
>> > a
>> > company thats going to be around for a while, considering smartcam just
>> > went
>> > belley up on them.
>> > UG has been around since the 60's, its been at los alomos, lockheed,
>> > cessna, etc...
>> > Plus they made the big decision to go 100%.
>> > The last place I worked lacked the leadership at the owner level to commit
>> > to such a thing.
>>
>> > Now that said, I'm sure cimmitron is just as good as UG.
>>
>> Its better in some ways, & worse in others- whats new?
>>
>> Every body's heard of Mastercam,Smartcam,UG, even SurfCam&TekSoft
>> around here, but not alot heard of cimmitron:-) Good thing we have (2)
>> Joe's here to "Slain it to us Lucy"
>> Oh sorry, I refer to it as IT13
>>
>> > But I wouldn't recommend either of them to the last place I worked. I
>> > would
>> > suggest a system that runs inside of solidworks.
>>
>> They must be "newbies" maybe not to swift with technology- lots o
>> places like that.
>>
>> > Cheap, but the cad end would still kickass.
>>
>> Pay now or pay latter- its very true with CAM systems. They can "make
>> or break" places.
>>
>> > Training would be extremely cheap since they already run solidworks.
>> > And no computer upgrades would need to be done.
>>
>> This is what truly amazes me till this day.
>> IT13 will run on a 266mHz P4 with 1 gig ram. - slow but is is useable!
>> Dont shade the part to much. It works! It dont crash! HTF do they do
>> it?
>>
>>
>>
>> > As far as UG over cimitron? Doesn't matter. Where I work has UG, so now,
>> > that's the best damn system in the world to me.
>> > Considering it has Camax written all over it, it might just be the best?
>>
>> Check out 3dextreme.com he still uses CAMEX
>>
>> *****
>>
>> I emailed him, and your right he still usues camax.
>> �10 year old version running on new hardware. He says he uses UG now but
>> there's still things camax can do that UG can't.
>>
>> Reminds me of cars built in the 60's.
>
>Course I'm right<g> I have run across some of the best in my travels,
>& he's one of'em. Some day when I grow up, I want to be like him :-)
>He did a heads up comparison of CAMAX vs IT13 a few years back. It was
>quite interesting. Needless to say IT13 lost & he keep on the SDRC-EDS-
>UG-NX path.
>
>Old shit rulz! just like you said, cars that ran with freekin Autolite
>Carbs(Hollys for Fords) points, plugs condenser & had no polution B/S.
>All you needed if your car broke down was a swiss army knife & a
>business card.
>Now you better have a freekin computer diagnostic M/F'er with
>47zillion freekin adapter plugs................. augh!................
>My 24yr old is a Ford Service Tech- thank god!
And every day it becomes more unlikely that yonnie will
ever learn to drill a few holes <G>.
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Cliff
Cliff
>*****
>
>I emailed him, and your right he still usues camax.
> 10 year old version running on new hardware. He says he uses UG now but
>there's still things camax can do that UG can't.
>
>Reminds me of cars built in the 60's.
PLEASE try proper quotng again !!!
You might like it. The rest of us would I'm certain.
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vinny@work
"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2oro85dkgjnpl31uf...@4ax.com...
I can't figure out what's causing it.
Something to do with replying to google groups.
made posts.
cncmillgil
Holy schmokie Yonni? You mean Jonush? <ya-newsh> LOL
Can't blaim any one who does not want to drill holes.:-( Fuck I hate
it!
especially now in TI. That shit eats non-cobalt drills like melting
butter in a microwave.
Thats why they came out with gundrill machines & hole poppers(edm's)
Those SOB's can drill a 1/32"hole thru hardened steel quicker than
shit, & deep too! Drawbacks: not that accurate (must be TWEDM finished
if necessary). Gundrilled KO pins! $sweeeeet!$- most mold shops wont
pay for.
Ok here's a challenge:
a spin off of "Where's Waldo"
How many HOLDZEM ©®'s can you find in these 4 shots?
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Where'sHOLDZEM1.jpg
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Where'sHOLDZEM2.jpg
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Where'sHOLDZEM3.jpg
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Where'sHOLDZEM4.jpg
All pic's same only different camera angles.
This one has'em all:
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/Where'sHOLDZEM5.jpg
Maybe Janewsh can put some HOLDZEM's on his "work center" box holding?
a sign? a saying? a big FU middle finger? Pic of Cliff?<g>
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<hint: partially close & squint eyes, they turn into a 3D view thingie
pic>
Cliff
>Can't blaim any one who does not want to drill holes.:-( Fuck I hate
>it!
>especially now in TI. That shit eats non-cobalt drills like melting
>butter in a microwave.
I tried asking yonnie about drills made of Titanium ... should
have posted ads for Titanium Drills I suppose.
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Cliff
Cliff
>
>Maybe Janewsh can put some HOLDZEM's on his "work center" box holding?
>a sign? a saying? a big FU middle finger? Pic of Cliff?<g>
He has enough problems with damp dreams.
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cncmillgil
Ok thats it, its now "official" From the desk of Kernel Cliff, from
now on its Jonewsh.<ya-newsh> LOL
JB & all the other common shmuck names too:-)
Ya Jonewsh......... thats it.
Ya gotta feel sorry for such a lost sole? Fuck he's bouncing off the
3D walls of the CAM/CAM world like a freekin wamo super ball! (loved
those old balls)
All ya can do is ??????
Sure doesn't seem like much relevant going on in this group lately.
anyone up for a 3D challenge?
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d.jpg
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/dxf_1.jpg
how long to model & progrom with your system - data supplied off DXF
--
Gil
Cliff
>Sure doesn't seem like much relevant going on in this group lately.
>
>anyone up for a 3D challenge?
>
>http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d.jpg
>http://users.cin.net/~milgil/dxf_1.jpg
>
>how long to model & progrom with your system - data supplied off DXF
PV can write a 5 axes MDI macro for that in a few seconds <g>.
yonnie will need to ask the MasterCAM guys, get a SW guy to model
it & then ask where the holes are.
Then claim it cannot be done ......
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
Ok truth is 1hr Solidworks , 1hr IT13, 1hr Hurco machine time.
I'm a turtle & very slow CNC guy.
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3Dchallenge_TP.jpg
anyone like to try it?
piece-o-cake? right?
Cliff
>On Aug 21, 6:00�am, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:24:01 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >Sure doesn't seem like much relevant going on in this group lately.
>>
>> >anyone up for a 3D challenge?
>>
>> >http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d.jpg
>> >http://users.cin.net/~milgil/dxf_1.jpg
>>
>> >how long to model & progrom with your system - data supplied off DXF
>>
>> � PV can write a 5 axes MDI macro for that in a few seconds <g>.
>> � yonnie will need to ask the MasterCAM guys, get a SW guy to model
>> it & then ask where the holes are.
>> �Then claim it cannot be done ......
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Ok truth is 1hr Solidworks
CADDS IV with ASD package ~ 5 minutes tops. And most of that
reading your stuff <g>.
Faster with BREP kernel-based solids probably.
Symmetry is your friend & mine. Not jb's. It's too
old-fashioned & APT-like for him, probably.
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
Hmmm intresting. If given the 2D dxf file & the print, would you use
the CAD data to build the model? or just input the dim's off the hard
copy?
I used both, double checking the math/geometry as I created the model.
It definitely was a fooler for me. I too looked at it & said 10min
tops.
wrong!
Damn Solidworks, it aint no Pro/E. (good thing) I had a bitch of a
time making the 1/16ball cuts, till I figured out too "cut-away" more
& "fill back in" Even the full ball fillets had to be "cheated" a few
thou. Another SW trick. If it won't fillet with the proper size rad.
try making the R. smaller till it will regen. It may be only a few
tenths! to make work.
I could have done the whole thing in IT13 no problem. Working with
solids & symmetry (every knows except Jonewsh) is much more
productive, plus you get a "pretty" solid model for FEA/down stream
work & exporting to the rest of the world(SW does make good exportable
file formats)
Think its easy?
Here's the 2d dxf file, if anyone wants to play.
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d-challenge.DXF
or zip
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d-challenge.zip
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Cliff
>Hmmm intresting. If given the 2D dxf file & the print, would you use
>the CAD data to build the model? or just input the dim's off the hard
>copy?
I'd probably not trust a DXF file from an unknown source if
the dimensions control anyway.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>> � Symmetry is your friend & mine. Not jb's. It's too
>> old-fashioned & APT-like for him, probably.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Hmmm intresting. If given the 2D dxf file & the print, would you use
>the CAD data to build the model? or just input the dim's off the hard
>copy?
>
>I used both, double checking the math/geometry as I created the model.
>It definitely was a fooler for me. I too looked at it & said 10min
>tops.
>wrong!
>Damn Solidworks, it aint no Pro/E. (good thing) I had a bitch of a
>time making the 1/16ball cuts, till I figured out too "cut-away" more
>& "fill back in" Even the full ball fillets had to be "cheated" a few
>thou. Another SW trick. If it won't fillet with the proper size rad.
>try making the R. smaller till it will regen. It may be only a few
>tenths! to make work.
Should be able to place 4 balls at locations in 3D polar coordinates
from center of large sphere and two arcs on the surface from their
centers then sweep circles along the surface using other arcs as guide curves.
Then rotate copy to the other locations, do boolean subtract & done.
Assumes you already created the large sphere-on-cylinder to subtract from.
Poor jb should not try this without a head-shrink standng by.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>I used both, double checking the math/geometry as I created the model.
>It definitely was a fooler for me. I too looked at it & said 10min
>tops.
>wrong!
>Damn Solidworks, it aint no Pro/E. (good thing) I had a bitch of a
>time making the 1/16ball cuts, till I figured out too "cut-away" more
>& "fill back in" Even the full ball fillets had to be "cheated" a few
>thou. Another SW trick. If it won't fillet with the proper size rad.
>try making the R. smaller till it will regen. It may be only a few
>tenths! to make work.
You had a tolerance or round-off problem somewhere I suspect.
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
How'd you know tolerance or round-off problems are basicaly the story
of my life!
tolerance:
Like the DIN tolerance H5? or G??.(run for the shit house when that
one's coming) How bout the brain sturgen dumb fuck tol of
+.XXX +XXX -0.000 WTF? asshole. Dont you know how to add-subtract/2?
then its a "normal people" tol. of +-. Can't tell ya how many times
that tol. fucks people up.
round-off problems:
Why the fuck can't anyone finish a block completely by breaking all
edges & sharps?
My solution: every thing thats in the CNC gets all outside edges
chamfer milled - within reason of depth & access of standard 45deg
tools. Ya its gonna take a few more minutes but end result is the pay-
off. Any type of machined chamfer "catches the eye" as comparison to a
hand filed or air tool ground edge.
Your parts look good- they could be fucked up with the above mentioned
tolerancing issues, but sometimes, just sometimes, that first look by
the customer is all that counts.
oh wrong tolerance or round-off problems? shit.... sorry<g>
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______.oOO-(_)-OOo.____________________
~ Gil ~
the self proclaimed IT13©® king
Ya Whatever dude. (nothing you hear- 50%of what you see)
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/AlyanLynch_My USA - whatever.MP3
Cliff
>On Aug 22, 1:44�am, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:07:32 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >I used both, double checking the math/geometry as I created the model.
>> >It definitely was a fooler for me. I too looked at it & said 10min
>> >tops.
>> >wrong!
>> >Damn Solidworks, it aint no Pro/E. (good thing) I had a bitch of a
>> >time making the 1/16ball cuts, till I figured out too "cut-away" more
>> >& "fill back in" Even the full ball fillets had to be "cheated" a few
>> >thou. Another SW trick. If it won't fillet with the proper size rad.
>> >try making the R. smaller till it will regen. It may be only a few
>> >tenths! to make work.
>>
>> � You had a tolerance or round-off problem somewhere I suspect.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>How'd you know tolerance or round-off problems are basicaly the story
>of my life!
You may have missed my rants about using the number of decimal
places shown to indicate tolerances. And why it's a bad idea.
>tolerance:
>Like the DIN tolerance H5? or G??.(run for the shit house when that
>one's coming) How bout the brain sturgen dumb fuck tol of
> +.XXX +XXX -0.000 WTF? asshole. Dont you know how to add-subtract/2?
>then its a "normal people" tol. of +-. Can't tell ya how many times
>that tol. fucks people up.
>
>round-off problems:
>Why the fuck can't anyone finish a block completely by breaking all
>edges & sharps?
>My solution: every thing thats in the CNC gets all outside edges
>chamfer milled - within reason of depth & access of standard 45deg
>tools.
You need a written shop standard which gets incorporated by default UOS.
This needs to be provided with all quotes to customers & etc.
so that they are aware of it & can revise designs as needed/if needed
with that in mind. Accept no substitutes. Needs to be a line item on POs
& replies to RFQs probably. Not fine print.
For inhouse a general note onthe design pointing to said shop standard
(with control of standard) should suffice IMHO.
>Ya its gonna take a few more minutes but end result is the pay-
>off. Any type of machined chamfer "catches the eye" as comparison to a
>hand filed or air tool ground edge.
Depends. If you are banquering about while awaiting the machines to
finish a part then deburring by hand is probably a good idea (& saves
cycle time).
OTOH Good (non-banquer) programming can often make a burr-free part
with no increase in cycle time to begin with.
>Your parts look good- they could be fucked up with the above mentioned
>tolerancing issues, but sometimes, just sometimes, that first look by
>the customer is all that counts.
>
>oh wrong tolerance or round-off problems? shit.... sorry<g>
When the part or design has been banquerd you must reject.
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
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(o o)
______.oOO-(_)-OOo.____________________
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on A.M.C
cncmillgil
> CimatronE Version 9 Webinars: Schedule of Sessions
>
> Click on the session name below for the registration page.
>
> CAD I Wednesday, October 14th (10:30 AM - 11:45 AM)
> Data Interface, General Functions, and Modeling
>
> CAM I Wednesday, October 14th (2:00 PM - 3:15 PM)
> Stock & Roughing Procedures
>
> CAD II Friday, October 16th (10:30 AM - 11:45 AM)
> Assembly, Mold Design, and Parametric Relations
>
> CAM II Friday, October 16th (2:00 PM - 3:15 PM)
> Finish & Clean-up
>
> CAD III Tuesday, October 20th (10:30 AM - 11:45 AM)
> Electrode, CMM, and Drafting
>
> CAM III Tuesday, October 20th (2:00 PM - 3:30 PM)
> New local operations in 3-Axis
>
> CAM IV Thursday, October 22nd (2:00 PM - 3:15 PM)
> Editing, Simulation and Transformations
>
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> Die Design improvements
>
> Contact Information
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> web:http://www.cimatrontech.com
>
> --
>
> \|||/
> (o o)
> ______.oOO-(_)-OOo.____________________
> ~ Gil ~
> the self proclaimed IT13©® king?
> on A.M.C
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Cliff
>Individual translators are also available.
How much is the one for banquerbabble?
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
wrote:
negotiable with the amount of effort exerted in order to achieve the
desired end result, basically its TIME & MONEY = anything can be done
& undone or redone.
We should be coming out of this "black hole" we are in soon according
to the latest pole on wall street?
Hell 387k/sec aint shit in a black hole. That what make's em black. No
offense here with respect to our government spending at +387k/sec.
Cliff
>On Oct 15, 6:40�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:23:26 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >Individual translators are also available.
>>
>> � How much is the one for banquerbabble?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>
>negotiable with the amount of effort exerted in order to achieve the
>desired end result, basically its TIME & MONEY = anything can be done
>& undone or redone.
>We should be coming out of this "black hole" we are in soon according
>to the latest pole on wall street?
>Hell 387k/sec aint shit in a black hole. That what make's em black. No
>offense here with respect to our government spending at +387k/sec.
Only the US has more billionaires than China.
For a little bit yet I assume. A year or two?
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:52:23 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
> >On Oct 15, 6:40 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> >wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:23:26 -0700 (PDT), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
> >> >Individual translators are also available.
>
> >> How much is the one for banquerbabble?
> >> --
> >> Cliff
>
> >negotiable with the amount of effort exerted in order to achieve the
> >desired end result, basically its TIME & MONEY = anything can be done
> >& undone or redone.
> >We should be coming out of this "black hole" we are in soon according
> >to the latest pole on wall street?
> >Hell 387k/sec aint shit in a black hole. That what make's em black. No
> >offense here with respect to our government spending at +387k/sec.
>
> Only the US has more billionaires than China.
> For a little bit yet I assume. A year or two?
> --
> Cliff
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> phone: (877) 596-9700
> web:http://www.cimatrontech.com
>
> --
>
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> (o o)
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> the self proclaimed IT13©® king
> (on A.M.C. only)
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>Top 10 North American Mold Makers
Do they have to be able to drill holes?
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
wrote:
I've gotten away from drilling/c-boring larger holes in the range of
3/8-1" & not to deep. Now days with the ease of conversational
programming (at the machine), just circle mill'm. Saves tool setup
time, better location, easily size adjustment ect. I allways have a
1/4,6mm,5/16&3/8 EM's in the carousel, but drills & c-bore'rs have to
be continuely set up. Buy that time I'm done milling.
Cliff
>On Dec 1, 4:02�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:33:05 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >Top 10 North American Mold Makers
>>
>> � Do they have to be able to drill holes?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>I've gotten away from drilling/c-boring larger holes in the range of
>3/8-1" & not to deep. Now days with the ease of conversational
>programming (at the machine), just circle mill'm. Saves tool setup
>time, better location, easily size adjustment ect. I allways have a
>1/4,6mm,5/16&3/8 EM's in the carousel, but drills & c-bore'rs have to
>be continuely set up. Buy that time I'm done milling.
Works well for ejector pins & water lines does it?
--
Cliff
cncmillgil
wrote:
Ko's(ejectors): are mostly 3/8 & smaller & usually deep - thru the
block. Unless your referring to the pin itself? Those are tough to
drill till you get past the nitride surface on the outside. Ejector
pins come in many styles& material choices nowdays. Thru hard, close
tol. for "cosmetic" apps, Then there's the return pins, angle pins
(pecker pins), core pins(c&cx),HSS punches(bevel head, sqr head),
dowel pins(pull&std, roll pins,leader pins,gas filled cooling pins -
ok Moldmakers are pinheads?<g> You got me going on that one! I'll skip
the bushings for now.
Cooling/heating lines: normally 7/16" & very deep! thank god for gun
drills.
Thermoset plastic & die-cast molds are heated with hot oil.
Themoplastic molds are cooled, with water/antifreeze mix, or slightly
heated & kept at a specific operating temp. depending on the polymer
used. Oh dont forget about the kelrod heater holes that must be .
500/.501 dia.
End Moldmaking 101- the basics intro.
Stay tuned next week for the dickhead design flaws!<g>
Hey wait a sec. this is a Cimatron post! How did I get so far off
topic?
Well here it is - Moldmakers best friend: CIMATRON. ok being
politically correct I'll give UG a plug too.
Cliff
>On Dec 4, 10:23�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:41:35 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >On Dec 1, 4:02�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>> >wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:33:05 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
>> >> >Top 10 North American Mold Makers
>>
>> >> � Do they have to be able to drill holes?
>> >> --
>> >> Cliff
>>
>> >I've gotten away from drilling/c-boring �larger holes in the range of
>> >3/8-1" & not to deep. Now days with the ease of conversational
>> >programming (at the machine), just circle mill'm. Saves tool setup
>> >time, better location, easily size adjustment ect. I allways have a
>> >1/4,6mm,5/16&3/8 EM's in the carousel, but drills & c-bore'rs have to
>> >be continuely set up. Buy that time I'm done milling.
>>
>> � Works well for ejector pins & water lines does it?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Ko's(ejectors): are mostly 3/8 & smaller & usually deep - thru the
>block. Unless your referring to the pin itself?
Just holes.
The things you need stock for to keep apart.
>Those are tough to
>drill till you get past the nitride surface on the outside. Ejector
>pins come in many styles& material choices nowdays. Thru hard, close
>tol. for "cosmetic" apps, Then there's the return pins, angle pins
>(pecker pins), core pins(c&cx),HSS punches(bevel head, sqr head),
>dowel pins(pull&std, roll pins,leader pins,gas filled cooling pins -
>ok Moldmakers are pinheads?<g> You got me going on that one! I'll skip
>the bushings for now.
>
>Cooling/heating lines: normally 7/16" & very deep! thank god for gun
>drills.
>Thermoset plastic & die-cast molds are heated with hot oil.
>Themoplastic molds are cooled, with water/antifreeze mix, or slightly
>heated & kept at a specific operating temp. depending on the polymer
>used. Oh dont forget about the kelrod heater holes that must be .
>500/.501 dia.
>
>End Moldmaking 101- the basics intro.
>Stay tuned next week for the dickhead design flaws!<g>
>
>Hey wait a sec. this is a Cimatron post! How did I get so far off
>topic?
>Well here it is - Moldmakers best friend: CIMATRON. ok being
>politically correct I'll give UG a plug too.
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cncmillgil
Holes are US!
Drilling holes in hardened tool steel 50-60Rc? I would not recommended
it CNC machines.
Thats a good process for a "hand job"<g> - using a drill press/
Bridgeport by hand. What were you thinking?
Its always fun adding Ko's after the mold is finished. With the advent
of "hole popper" EDMs, piece o cake. Those sob's can burn a hole
quicker than shit. Problem is they are not accurately sized, require
jig grinding/TWEDM or maybe lapping for finish.
Otherwise drill'em finished with what we call a Do-Drill. Solid
carbide spade type. They can be shop made on a Deckel cutter grinder
or bought. I think SGS makes them, sold as reamer-drills?
End hardened steel drilling 101
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIi............ dont think so. CAM-1 not CAM-I
Kernel Cliff, only you would find that correlation.<g>
Interesting though.The Consortium for Advanced Management
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<Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:48:38 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
> >On Dec 25, 8:01 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
> >wrote:
> >> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:05:34 -0800 (PST), cncmillgil <mil...@cin.net> wrote:
> >> >CAM I user group
>
> >> ??
> >> http://www.cam-i.org/
> >> --
> >> Cliff
>
> >IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIi............ dont think so. CAM-1 not CAM-I
> >Kernel Cliff, only you would find that correlation.<g>
> >Interesting though.The Consortium for Advanced Management
> >International (CAM-I)
>
> http://www.csail.mit.edu/timeline/timeline.php?query=event&id=6
>
> http://www.catapt.com/
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> Cliff
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> Hmm not seeing many other software manufactures doing such? wonder
> why?
>
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Version 9. Service Pack 2 is complete and will be shipping on CD to
all customers at the end of the month. Sp2 contains numerous new
fixes. For some specific issues the Cimatron support desk can direct
you in how to download the components that make up Sp2 for immediate
use.
Tips & Tricks
by the Cimatron Support Staff
Tip #1
Extra notations have been added in Version 9 to make creating and
tracking parametric relations much easier. When in Quick Edit mode,
the notations below are displayed at the end of a dimension. You can
see them when creating a relation or trying to understand relations
created by another user.
* (f) - This symbol means that the dimension is driven by a
relation (formula). Since the dimension is driven by other entities,
there would be no need to modify it directly.
* (L) - This symbol means that the parameter is a leading
dimension. These are key dimensions that either drive other relations
or affect changes in the geometry. Marking which dimensions are the
leading ones is done in the pop- up window while in Quick Edit mode.
Cimatron also organizes all leading dimensions in a part or assembly
into a single table under the Edit menu, where they can be easily
viewed and modified.
Tip #2
Pre-defined catalog parts are a great time saver for design. But when
catalog tables get very large, finding a specific part can be a
challenge. To help out, Cimatron provides several sorting options.
Clicking on the top of each column will sort the parts by the column s
dimension. You can also use the input boxes at the bottom of each
column to filter the parts by the specified size. The lookup results
will even include table cells containing your filter criteria inside
list values. If the exact size is not found, it will pick the closest
row available, and create a non-standard component based on your
requested size.
Tip #3
When drafting, either a sheet or a view can be active. It is important
to understand the differences between the two. Working with the view
active is recommended when creating a geometry that will be either
trimmed or constrained to other view entities. It is also the
preferred mode for drafting symbols that will move with the view.
Switching between sheet and view modes can take time, so Cimatron will
often make a smart assumption for you. For example, a Dimension will
belong in the view where it was built, even if the sheet was active.
Likewise, notes and balloons will be assigned automatically to a view,
as long as they have a leader that touches an edge in the view.
Without any leader, notes and balloons will remain in the current
active mode, which would often be the sheet. You may also move a note
or balloon from the sheet into a view by attaching the leader to an
edge, which will trigger the assignment to the view. The view
assignment will be retained even if you remove the leader later on.
Tip #4
New in Cimatron E9.0 are tools for creating Product Manufacturing
Information (PMI). These PMI functions are used in a 3D environment to
capture manufacturing information that conforms to the ASME (American
Society of Mechanical Engineers) Y14.41- 2003 standard. They are 3D
annotations, such as text and dimensions of many types. Other symbols
for tolerances and surface finishes are planned for future releases.
PMI annotations can be created in any active part or assembly and are
also viewable when the models are included in drafting documents.
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