Gable trim and porch beam trim--advice?
jo...@vieth.info
look at our front elevation so you know what I'm referring to...
http://www.mynewoldhouse.com/house/images/TrimQuestion.gif
We're wondering about the gable trim and the porch beam trim. What
material should we use? (preferably maintenance-free) And for the
gable trim, what dimensions?
Here's some additional information about the house...
Siding: Rollex sage green vinyl clapboard-style
Siding corners: Rollex white vinyl corner trim
Roof fascia and soffit: white aluminum
Window trim: Fypon for top trim and Azek vinyl trim boards for sides
and bottoms, all painted white
Porch columns: HB&G 8" square composite columns painted white
Porch railing system: HB&G PVC white railing and ballusters
So where does the gable trim and porch beam trim fit into this?
Regarding the gable trim, the guy who drew up our plans penciled in
"5-in. lineal." Is that a good width? (The fascia is 6" and our
window trim is 3-1/2" lineal.) What material would look good wedged
between the sage green vinyl and the white aluminum soffit? I was
thinking white aluminum like the fascia and soffit material, but how
would that be done to avoid a wavy, rippled-looking vinyl-wrapped board
look?
Regarding the porch beams, I know they're going to be 8" tall and wide,
but what material? Again, since the fascia and soffit are white
aluminum, maybe white aluminum would look best? If so, how would that
be built? ...just with lumber and then wrapped with aluminum? Again,
I'd like to avoid that wavy, rippled vinyl-wrapped wood look if there's
risk of that when using aluminum. ...maybe clad in white vnyl Azek
boards? Any ideas?
Our builder does not have a strong opinion on these issues, and he's
asking us what we want--I think because he knows we're picky. So I'm
trying to do some research and find out what would look best combined
with the other materials we're using. All feedback is greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
John
Pat
Aren't you supposed to go ask your wife what SHE wants?
jo...@vieth.info
say, "It should be white." I was looking for a little more along the
lines of technical advice. Thanks, though.
- John
RicodJour
Once more to the well, eh?
To summarize: you're picky (can't think of a worse combination than
picky and indecisive), your wife doesn't care, and you're being
indecisive about something as personal as color selection. I'm sorry,
you're right - asking random people about what they'd like on your
house makes perfect sense.
Why don't you just go buy into a nice condo association or gated
community where all of the decisions can be made for you? Wouldn't
that be a huge relief? I know it would be for me.
R
DT
>material should we use? (preferably maintenance-free) And for the
>gable trim, what dimensions?
>Regarding the gable trim, the guy who drew up our plans penciled in
>"5-in. lineal.".. What material would look good wedged
>between the sage green vinyl and the white aluminum soffit?
John, you need to look at catalogs from a siding distributor to get ideas.
There are hundreds of trim products that the guys at Home Depot never heard of.
Companies like Norandex/Reynolds make a lineal surround, either flat or fluted.
It looks like a 1x4 or 1x6 with a built-in channel along one edge to accept the
siding without needing a separate J-channel. It would work great in your
application, used to trim out a rake. Here is a link to their website, the
photo of the house on the page uses the 5 1/2" flat surround on a rake pretty
much like yours:
http://www.norandexreynolds.com/Products/Exterior%20Accents.aspx
They don't have a good closeup, here is a link to some of my work that uses the
lineal surround:
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~dthompson4389/house-surround.jpg
>Regarding the porch beams, I know they're going to be 8" tall and wide,
>but what material? Again, since the fascia and soffit are white
>aluminum, maybe white aluminum would look best?
There are dozens of options for post cladding. I like Sherline's fluted column
cladding, it is a 4-piece system that snaps in place and includes finish
molding for the top and bottom. My Norandex distributor handles it. As for the
fascia around the porch, they can be wrapped in aluminum custom bent to the
contours. I like to finish the wrap against the ceiling of the porch by bending
the trim to snap over a board so no visible fasteners are inside the porch.
Here is a link to my porch, showing a fluted column and wrap-around trim
snapped over a 1x2 (the top of the column still needs the finish molding):
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~dthompson4389/house-corner.jpg
You need a creative trim guy. Here are a couple of things I like to do. One is
a ribbed fascia that looks much better than just a plain, flat fascia. It is
made using a Tapco Brake Buddy to mold the ribs.:
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~dthompson4389/house-gable.jpg
I like to fabricate a combination brick mold with built-in J for high end
work. I never use J-channel to frame windows and doors for my best work. Here
is a picture of the small ones I used on my house, it is also made with the
Brake Buddy and a half-dozen other bends:
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~dthompson4389/house-brick-mold.jpg
--
Dennis
jo...@vieth.info
and (some) providing answers, and you're just lurking around, waiting
for an opportunity to make negative comments, not to mention the
stalker aspect of your harrassment in that you target specific people
and follow their posts across multiple newsgroups in order to harrass
them. Yours is classic sociopathic behavior. Kind of funny. Sad for
you, though.
By the way, I wasn't asking for color advice. I was asking for
technical advice on what products/materials to use. You would have
realized that if you had read my post closely, but you were too busy
stalking some anonymous dude in a Usenet discussion group. Next time
why don't you just wack-off first. You might find that the urge to
stalk is diminished, until the next time at least.
- John
jo...@vieth.info
You're very helpful. Much appreciated. I'm going to go through our
siding catalogs to find an appropriate product. I should be able to
find a Rollex product that will match our white corner trim.
Thanks,
John
Pat
jo...@vieth.info wrote:
> You really need to get some help. We're hanging out asking questions
> and (some) providing answers, and you're just lurking around, waiting
> for an opportunity to make negative comments, not to mention the
> stalker aspect of your harrassment in that you target specific people
> and follow their posts across multiple newsgroups in order to harrass
> them. Yours is classic sociopathic behavior. Kind of funny. Sad for
> you, though.
>
> By the way, I wasn't asking for color advice. I was asking for
> technical advice on what products/materials to use. You would have
> realized that if you had read my post closely, but you were too busy
> stalking some anonymous dude in a Usenet discussion group. Next time
> why don't you just wack-off first. You might find that the urge to
> stalk is diminished, until the next time at least.
>
> - John
Hey, I can't help you. Up here, the answer to everything is coil
stock. You can get it any color that the contractor has with him
(which is only white). I mean, come on, look at the guys putting
garage roof on next door. You think they go for any hi-tech options?
jo...@vieth.info
RicodJour
> Excellent information! I really appreciate all the links to photos.
> You're very helpful. Much appreciated. I'm going to go through our
> siding catalogs to find an appropriate product. I should be able to
> find a Rollex product that will match our white corner trim.
Congratulations on your discovery. Opening the catalogs is an
_excellent_ place to start. I hear the internet has oodles of
information - free, too. I'm sure that will appeal to you.
People on these newsgroups took you to task for forging ahead
half-cocked on your own without hiring design help. Then,
miraculously, you divulged you were really working with an architect,
which makes your mention of the "the guy who drew up our plans" a
little odd. Now, instead of talking to "the guy who drew up our plans"
or your builder, you're asking for essentially random input.
No doubt if you're effusive in your thanks people will overlook the
fact that you're too cheap to hire someone to help with your
indecision. If you hadn't lied from the start about what you were
doing I wouldn't be busting your balls.
The fuckups you're experiencing are directly caused by your attempt to
learn architecture and construction while building your house. At the
end of the project, tally how much time you wasted, how much you had to
redesign or rework, and how much money you spent unnecessarily due to
your attempt to save a few bucks.
You shouldn't take the stuff I write too personally. I don't know who
you are or anything about you. Believe it or not, these newsgroups
aren't about you. Consider my feedback (you did say all feedback
welcome) a public service for those people that come after you and are
considering building a house without sufficient assistance. I hope
they'll search the newsgroups and be able to follow your project's ups
and downs. And I hope you emerge at the other end still married and
were able to contain your inevitable cost overruns to under 30%.
R
jo...@vieth.info
doing with my project, and downright inaccurate comments about my
previous posts. Get a life, weirdo. Go participate in a discussion
group where you actually have some expertise to contribute, like
alt.sociopaths.stalking.how-to.
- John
Pierre Levesque, AIA
<jo...@vieth.info> wrote in message
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> Your posts are filled with venom, silly assumptions about what I'm
> doing with my project, and downright inaccurate comments about my
> previous posts. Get a life, weirdo. Go participate in a discussion
> group where you actually have some expertise to contribute, like
> alt.sociopaths.stalking.how-to.
I'm not so sure about that John... Many excellent points are made in RJ's
message. I don't know about the lying stuff or any of that but I do agree
that once your house is finished you should sit down and ask yourself many
of the questions he brings up. In order to save a few bucks was it worth
all the time, cost and effort? The simple fact is that 99% of the time my
clients that went through the process once before confirm that the first
time they tried doing a project on their own, with their own builders, with
their own project management, with just a minimal set of construction
documents etc etc etc they realized that it almost broke up their marriage,
almost cost them their job, eneding up compromising a good design, ended up
taking much more time to complete, ended up costing much more.
But then again, you might be having the time of your life and be in the 1
percentile...
jo...@vieth.info
project is very econmical. I think, when it's finished, it will be
impressive what we've created with $240K. Yeah, I could spend $5K,
$10K, or $20K, on an architect and just leave everything up to them,
but I don't *WANT* to leave all the decisions up to others. We do have
our own personal tastes, after all. I think there is this
misconception by some that, if somone is not an expert in a particular
field, then they should just hand off all decision making to someone
that *is* an "expert." I disagree. The intelligent thing to do is to
do research, consult professionals, and then make good, intelligent
decisions. In some cases, I don't even know what the options are, but
that doesn't mean that I don't still want to make the decision; it just
means that I first need to find out what the options are, analyze them,
and make a decision, which is what I'm doing. I realize that this
approach is not in the best interests of certain underemployed mediocre
"architects," but I think that most truly good professional architects
would approve of my process, especially since we did pay an architect
to draw up our original plans which were based on a plan book/website
drawing.
Yeah, I think our house is going to look and feel great, it's going to
be practical/economical, our marriage is stronger than ever, we're both
very well employed and in no danger of losing our jobs, and, in
general, I have no complaints. The only complaints seem to be coming
from a certain obsessed Usenet stalker who has absolutely nothing to do
with our situation. But that's okay, because it's our house, and all
that matter's is that *we* are happy with it. In the meantime, I
appreciate the input from those truly helpful folks who participate in
these discussion groups. Sometimes the answers are not what I'm hoping
for, but if they're objective and helpful answers, they're still
appreciated, and I can tell the difference.
- John
Don
Don
<jo...@vieth.info> wrote
> we're right on budget,
When we were building our new home we were *right on budget* right up until
we set down at the closing table and the law was laid down.
Everything costs more than it costs and takes longer than it takes. Fact.
RicodJour
And this from a guy who has _infinitely_ more construction knowledge
and experience than you, John. Fact.
R
RicodJour
> Actually, I'm enjoying the process, we're right on budget, and our
> project is very econmical. I think, when it's finished, it will be
> impressive what we've created with $240K. Yeah, I could spend $5K,
> $10K, or $20K, on an architect and just leave everything up to them,
> but I don't *WANT* to leave all the decisions up to others.
The only place that a client lets the architect make all the decisions
is on TV. In real life they're an expert resource - a paid resource.
> We do have our own personal tastes, after all.
Since when? You've been polling groups for months on every esthetic
decision. Why would you do that if you knew what you liked? The odds
of the regualrs on this newsgroup having the same taste or opinion on
most things is rather slim. 'Cepting ugly - everybody knows ugly. I
don't understand what a text based reply, with a few pictures scattered
about will tell you about the poster's taste and experience. And
you're basing your home design on the replies.
How are you weighting the answers you receive? One vote per poster?
Extra credit for being polite? You started a snipe hunt and you don't
even know you're on it.
>I think there is this
> misconception by some that, if somone is not an expert in a particular
> field, then they should just hand off all decision making to someone
> that *is* an "expert." I disagree.
See above re:architects.
> The intelligent thing to do is to
> do research, consult professionals, and then make good, intelligent
> decisions.
Consult professionals...uh huh. You mean like polling newsgroups for
free advice? Was the supervision oversight on the stairwell opening a
good, intelligent decision?
> In some cases, I don't even know what the options are, but
> that doesn't mean that I don't still want to make the decision; it just
> means that I first need to find out what the options are, analyze them,
> and make a decision, which is what I'm doing. I realize that this
> approach is not in the best interests of certain underemployed mediocre
> "architects," but I think that most truly good professional architects
> would approve of my process, especially since we did pay an architect
> to draw up our original plans which were based on a plan book/website
> drawing.
Your objectives are fine, but your methodology is lame. By the time
you figure out what it is you want (ie - settle on the first solution
that seems to fit the bill), you'll be building it. Let me know how
that works out with the detail stuff.
People post on these newsgroups asking what something should cost.
Some don't even indicate where the project is located as if they're
expecting prices to be uniform throughout the country. Some
goodhearted souls trying to be helpful might toss out a number. I find
that pointless. Even if the number is the "correct" number, unless the
poster can locate a contractror that they trust (that's first for a
reason), is qualified and that is willing to do the job for that
number, it isn't a correct number. It's misleading.
Your approach to this is one step above, and below, the innocent "How
much should it cost?" question. You're in a bigger project, with more
risk and more possibilities for screwups. You've already had a taste
of that. In a nutshell, what you're doing is spending your time and
effort in an attempt to offset inexperience. You will have a very
short, very painful learning curve. That is how construction works.
If you can figure out a way to get around that, start a business -
you'll be filthy rich within months.
You might end up with a good home after all is said and done. If you
had acknowleged your inexperience and were willing to modify your
approach you could have ended up with a great project for the same
amount of time and money. That's the shame. That's your loss.
> Yeah, I think our house is going to look and feel great, it's going to
> be practical/economical
Are you sure? Maybe we could take a poll...
R
Ken S. Tucker
The interior is 80%, where does the microwave go,
I want an extra freezer, what color is the toilet seat,
should it be padded? Not to mention the kitty litter
box.
Lately, you drink a lot dear, we'll need a urinal,
in your _upstairs_ bedroom.
It's just beginning, I'm betting on John, he sounds
like a survivor.
Yours
Incureably Optimistically ;-)
Ken
jo...@vieth.info
information technology, music, movies, philosophy, disc golf, and
playing with my wife and kids. Based on that, am I supposed to know
what "coil stock" means? Is that what you're laughing about? If so,
do you laugh at your clients (assuming you have clients) when they ask
questions? If you do, I feel sorry for you and your small penis.
(It's a Freudian thing.)
- John
jo...@vieth.info
- John
Ken S. Tucker
Yeah Yeah, a house is a box of wood, a home is created
by the humor of those in it. Some poster threw OCD at
you, I resented that, but what can I do, I think you're
doing great and like the way you're sharing a nice part
of you're family life as they acquire a new home.
Great stuff...
Also liked how you solved the stair problem.
Ken
Warm Worm
> ...we're right on budget, and our project is very econmical. I think,
> ...Next time why don't you just wack-off first...
> ...I feel sorry for you and your small penis...
This reminds me of a quote I came across some time ago. Something like:
"There are those who are eminently successful, and spare no effort, in
getting others to help them take their thumbs out of their asses, wipe them
clean, and stick them in their mouths."
-- anon
> am I supposed to know what "coil stock" means?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTFSF ?
> I'm an Internet marketing professional
Not to be confused with spammer.
Jonny
news:1161781207....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
White marble always seems to hold up. The most finicky person can't deny
its beauty and durability. A copper backing over stainless steel may be
needed. Dimensions are already governed by the basic dwg you provided.
--
Jonny
Don
This is emphasized by your repeated mention of men's penis's.
Your contractor is having a field day with your stupid ass and you're too
dumb to even realize it.
Or maybe you do, and the relationship between you, the contractor and the
*dood that did the plans* is such that neither of them will address your
concerns anymore because they each are tired of your incessant whining, so
you are left to make yourself look even further like a baffoon in various
newsgroups.
The contractor is gonna take your ass to the woodshed but good on closing
day, unless he sues you in court first. LOL
Some internet marketing professional, can't even copy/paste 2 words in
google to find the meaning. LOL
Incidently, buying and selling garage sale cast-oofs on Ebay is NOT internet
marketing.
You're right about one thing though, your obsession about men's penis's IS a
freudian thing and no one knows this better than your Stepford wife.
You're done around these parts, stupid ass, move along, once again you've
worn out your welcome.
Fuckin' nitwit........
<jo...@vieth.info> wrote in message
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RicodJour
> <jo...@vieth.info>
>
> > I'm an Internet marketing professional
>
> Not to be confused with spammer.
Or with a professional.
R
jojo
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http://www.azek.com/pdfs/Trimboard%20Sheet.pdf
http://www.azek.com/pdfs/AZEK_Photo_pages.pdf
I have a sample of this stuff on my desk right now, and it feels good.
It looks good.
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