Meyers-Briggs
spher...@my-dejanews.com
I was reminded about the Meyers-Briggs personality
test on the radio this morning and thought it would
be fun here, so I hunted this down. They have a
couple of versions of the test:
For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
Sphere.
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Ali Hassan
<spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:78icur$vrd$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
>
>
>I was reminded about the Meyers-Briggs personality
>test on the radio this morning and thought it would
>be fun here, so I hunted this down. They have a
>couple of versions of the test:
>
> http://keirsey.com/
>
>For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
>succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
>
>Sphere.
>---
Proselytizers, Trolls, Twisters, Buddhists.....who you gonna call?
PKHarvey
In article <78icur$vrd$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, spher...@my-dejanews.com
writes:
>I'm an INTP.
INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target from
occasion to occasion).
P.K.
PKHarvey
In article <Ik4r2.114$lp.2...@newshog.newsread.com>, "Ali Hassan"
<ananda...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Sheesh. They've got Artisan, Guardian, Rational, Idealist.....Evelyn says
>Proselytizers, Trolls, Twisters, Buddhists.....who you gonna call?
>
That's easy. Heretics.
P.K.
Doctor Busternaut
>
> INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target from
> occasion to occasion).
>
> P.K.
INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
Ned? Are you polling this?
--
Doctor Busternaut, Ph.D. - FF*20 busternaut at usa dot net
icq #11898325 http://fast.to/captb AOL IM: Busternaut
"Barbarism is the foundation of civilization." -p.p.
Ali Hassan
PKHarvey <pkha...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dam straight! But don't call em late for dinner!
Sphere
>
> In article <78icur$vrd$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, spher...@my-dejanews.com
> writes:
>
>
> INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target from
> occasion to occasion).
>
> P.K.
I found a different site first which
gave me an INTJ. I didn't post it's
URL...
(So far it's INTP four times out of five,
but my P/J is fairly boarderline.)
Sphere.
[I speak everything but greek.]
--
Morals are for people who have no morals. -- par...@dbis.ns.ca
Sphere
>
> > >I'm an INTP.
> >
> > INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target from
> > occasion to occasion).
> >
> > P.K.
>
>
> Ned? Are you polling this?
"Doctor...
I said DOCTOR,
Is there noth'in I can take?
I said DOCTOR
To relieve this tummy ache.
I said Doctor!..."
Sphere.
Ali Hassan
Sphere <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:36AD1C9F...@my-dejanews.com...
>Doctor Busternaut wrote:
>>
>> > >I'm an INTP.
>> >
>> > INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target
from
>> > occasion to occasion).
>> >
>> > P.K.
>>
>> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
>>
>> Ned? Are you polling this?
>
>"Doctor...
> I said DOCTOR,
> Is there noth'in I can take?
> I said DOCTOR
> To relieve this tummy ache.
> I said Doctor!..."
>
>Sphere.
>--
You put de lime in de coconut and stir it all up
You put de lime in de coconut and stir it all up-
Y'know, I've got that on de 8-track and the 8-track player works, in the '80
diesel buick with the Goodwrench rebuild, but I stir it all up and put de
lime in de gas tank
and now she don't run so good.....
Sphere
Take two asprin and call me in the morning.
Ali Hassan
Doctor Busternaut is my doctor now. He writes scripts.
Ted D. Biggs
> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
Me too. My wife was an ENFJ. Opposites attract I suppose. ;)
-----------------------------------------
Ted D. Biggs
"A person who is nice to you, but rude to
the waiter, is not a nice person."
- Dave Barry
tbi...@blah.flash.net
(Remove blah. to send/reply)
----------------------------------------
Chris__Dadds
>
>
>I was reminded about the Meyers-Briggs personality
>test on the radio this morning and thought it would
>be fun here, so I hunted this down. They have a
>couple of versions of the test:
>
> http://keirsey.com/
>
>For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
>succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
>
>Sphere.
>---
I am NOT surprised.
Chris
INT/FP (depends on my mood)
toh...@my-dejanews.com
bob...@doody.namedfred (Doctor Busternaut) wrote:
> > >I'm an INTP.
> >
> > INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target from
> > occasion to occasion).
> >
> > P.K.
>
> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
>
> Ned? Are you polling this?
>
> Doctor Busternaut, Ph.D. - FF*20 busternaut at usa dot net
Me too, Doc. INFP .....at least this morning. No way to tell about tommorrow.
I am not the same person every day when I wake up. I think in some ways I
rebuild myself every day-that's how I manage to keep an "I" alive. Also why
(I think) I have a lack of continuity of self and memory. The things that
stay the same from day to day are those that are more real and more important
than "me".
I know, I know, my dear Buddhistista's - no-self, emptiness, blah, blah,
blah, blah -but let me ask you... Who are you when you wake up in the
morning? How do you know this? Please answer in your own words.
Mr. T.
Ned Ludd
writes:
>spher...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
>
>
Is there a way to display, on a 2-dimentional surface, how the
various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
Ned
Doctor Busternaut
> >> >> >
> >> >> > INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving
> target
> >> from
> >> >> > occasion to occasion).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > P.K.
> >> >>
> >> >> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ned? Are you polling this?
> >> >
> >> > I said DOCTOR,
> >> > Is there noth'in I can take?
> >> > I said DOCTOR
> >> > To relieve this tummy ache.
> >> > I said Doctor!..."
> >> >
> >> >Sphere.
> >> >--
> >>
> >> You put de lime in de coconut and stir it all up
> >> You put de lime in de coconut and stir it all up-
> >>
> >> Y'know, I've got that on de 8-track and the 8-track player works, in the
> '80
> >> diesel buick with the Goodwrench rebuild, but I stir it all up and put de
> >> lime in de gas tank
> >> and now she don't run so good.....
> >
> >Take two asprin and call me in the morning.
> >
> >Sphere.
>
> Doctor Busternaut is my doctor now. He writes scripts.
Throw two bottles of asprin at Sphere and call him in the morning to gloat.
--
Doctor Busternaut, Ph.D. - FF*20 busternaut at usa dot net
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
Doctor Busternaut wrote in message ...
>> >I'm an INTP.
>>
>> INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target
from
>> occasion to occasion).
>>
>> P.K.
>
>INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
>
>Ned? Are you polling this?
(delurking just to add)
INTJ
Beth
(lurk)
Ali Hassan
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin <gri...@rational.com> wrote in message
news:78m1gt$b88$1...@usenet.rational.com...
Hang out awhile, Beth. These are nice folks. Someone will be along
presently with a plate of brownies and a questionable-air.....I was
wondering how long it would be before you wandered on over....
(they tolerate me, so that oughta tell you right there)....
Ali
John Kahila
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
Not perfectly, because there are 4 dimensions (I/E, etc). But you can
get part of the way there by plotting possible combinations of one pair
on one axis and possible combinations of the other pair (ordering them
in whatever way seems to give the best results given your objective).
One way might be:
TJ TP FJ FP
* * * * * * * * *
IN * * * * *
* * * * * * * * *
IS * * * * *
* * * * * * * * *
EN * * * * *
* * * * * * * * *
ES * * * * *
* * * * * * * * *
john k
Captain Busternaut
> Doctor Busternaut wrote in message ...
> >> >I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >> INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target
> from
> >> occasion to occasion).
> >>
> >> P.K.
> >
> >INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> >
> >Ned? Are you polling this?
>
> (delurking just to add)
>
> INTJ
>
> Beth
> (lurk)
Hey!!!
Get back here!
We haven't abused you yet!
--
Captain Busternaut - FF*20 busternaut at usa dot net
Chris__Dadds
>In <36AD507D...@flash.net> "Ted D. Biggs" <tbi...@flash.net>
>writes:
>>
>>spher...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
>>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
>>
>>Me too. My wife was an ENFJ. Opposites attract I suppose. ;)
>>
>
> Is there a way to display, on a 2-dimentional surface, how the
> various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
> 'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
>
> Ned
>
I was visualizing a simple four column dual directional bar chart. I
use a variable width font so this will probably look wierd.
I N T P
10
00 ------------------
10
E ? F J
Chris
(details details)
luc...@usa.net
"Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin" <gri...@rational.com> wrote:
>
> Doctor Busternaut wrote in message ...
> >> >I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >> INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target
> from
> >> occasion to occasion).
> >>
> >> P.K.
> >
> >INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> >
> >Ned? Are you polling this?
>
> (delurking just to add)
>
> INTJ
>
> Beth
> (lurk)
Two delurks in a very short period. Highly suspicious.
Sphere
>
> On 26 Jan 1999 14:09:31 GMT, ned...@ix.netcom.com(Ned Ludd) wrote in
> alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
>
> >In <36AD507D...@flash.net> "Ted D. Biggs" <tbi...@flash.net>
> >writes:
> >>
> >>spher...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> >>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >>Me too. My wife was an ENFJ. Opposites attract I suppose. ;)
> >>
> >
> > Is there a way to display, on a 2-dimentional surface, how the
> > various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
> > 'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
> >
> > Ned
>
> get part of the way there by plotting possible combinations of one pair
> on one axis and possible combinations of the other pair (ordering them
> in whatever way seems to give the best results given your objective).
>
> One way might be:
>
> TJ TP FJ FP
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> IN * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
> IS * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
> EN * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
> ES * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
>
> john k
The test makers like to treat the
center two as a pair. Not entirely
sure why.
--
Sphere.
-------
Posting Hinayana ideas to a public forum makes you a Mahayanist.
-- jiri / luck
(I used to get paid for making writing fit, many years ago.)
-- luck
Sphere
>
> Doctor Busternaut wrote in message ...
> >> >I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >> INFJ (for now, anway. My Meyers-Briggs score has been a moving target
> from
> >> occasion to occasion).
> >>
> >> P.K.
> >
> >INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> >
> >Ned? Are you polling this?
>
> (delurking just to add)
>
> INTJ
>
> Beth
> (lurk)
Two posts. You've lost your status.
Get out here and introduce yourself.
Ned Ludd
(Chris__Dadds) writes:
Ned asked:
>> Is there a way to display, on a 2-dimentional surface, how the
>> various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
>> 'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
>
Chris:
> I was visualizing a simple four column dual directional bar chart.
> I use a variable width font so this will probably look wierd.
>
> I N T P
> 10
> 00 ------------------
> 10
> E ? F J
>
> Chris
> (details details)
-----
John K:
> Not perfectly, because there are 4 dimensions (I/E, etc). But you
> can get part of the way there by plotting possible combinations of
> one pair on one axis and possible combinations of the other pair
> (ordering them in whatever way seems to give the best results
> given your objective).
> One way might be:
>
> TJ TP FJ FP
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> IN * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
> IS * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
> EN * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
> ES * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * *
>
Sphere:
> The test makers like to treat the
> center two as a pair. Not entirely
> sure why.
>
Ah, so you can be opposite in four different ways. So, even by
jimming up a phoney 3-D representation on paper, we would miss
at lest one dimension:
I
| S
| /
| /
| /
|/
P ---------|--------- J
/|
/ |
/ |
/ |
/ |
N |
E
And the T/F dimension would have to be 'time' or some other 4th
dimension?
If the scores on each of the four dimensions are expressed as
numbers, say between 10 and -10, like the chart of Chris' at the
top above, then you could compare two people by just subtracting
the four respective scores from each other and adding up the
absolute value of those four differences. (This of course assumes
that each dimension is of equal weight in the personality of the
people being tested).
Sounds like a lot of work. Just to measure a person (being, entity,
self, soul, personality).
Ned
-----
Sphere:
> I'm an INTP.
P.K.:
> INFJ (for now, anway)
Cap'n:
> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
tohall:
> Me too, Doc. INFP
Beth:
> INTJ
Ali Hassan
Ned Ludd <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:78o0dn$c...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com...
Plus the questions are stupid. I could only answer about 1/5th of them. So I
don't even qualify.
Sphere
...
>
> Sphere:
> > I'm an INTP.
>
> P.K.:
> > INFJ (for now, anway)
>
> Cap'n:
> > INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
>
> tohall:
> > Me too, Doc. INFP
>
> Beth:
> > INTJ
So far, this looks like a very non-representative
sample. I know INTPs make up about 1% of the
population. I think some of the others above
are just about as rare.
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
>
>Two posts. You've lost your status.
>
>Get out here and introduce yourself.
>
>--
>Sphere.
Okay, okay. (blush)
I used to be Catholic, but I got better.
I know Ali from hanging out in alt.consciousness.mysticism.
I tend to follow my own path, as I have not found one that fully
appeals to me yet. Maybe I never will. I even lurk in
alt.religion.asatru (there is a bit of norse in my background).
I came here by way of witchcraft, then magick, then magick.tantra,
etc.
And, of course, as an INTJ, I'm a software quality engineer.
Later,
Beth
Sphere
>
> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:02:31 -0500, Sphere <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
> >Ned Ludd wrote:
> >...
> >>
> >> Sphere:
> >> > I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >> P.K.:
> >> > INFJ (for now, anway)
> >>
> >> Cap'n:
> >> > INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> >>
> >> tohall:
> >> > Me too, Doc. INFP
> >>
> >> Beth:
> >> > INTJ
> >
>
> >So far, this looks like a very non-representative
> >sample. I know INTPs make up about 1% of the
> >population. I think some of the others above
> >are just about as rare.
>
> Which probably means INTP's are 5 times more
> likely to find the site than the mean...
>
> - Brian
>john k (forgot last time ... INTJ)
I think I'm beginning to see a patterrn:
E -- 0
I -- 7
? -- 0 (Well, at least I remember extroverts)
N -- 7
F -- 3
T -- 4
J -- 3
P -- 4
Now I'm going to have to either find my post
or refind the URL...
Sphere
>
> In <36AD507D...@flash.net> "Ted D. Biggs" <tbi...@flash.net>
> writes:
> >
> >spher...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> >> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> >> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
> >
> >Me too. My wife was an ENFJ. Opposites attract I suppose. ;)
^^^^^^
Missed one Ned.
> >
>
> Is there a way to display, on a 2-dimentional surface, how the
> various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
> 'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
>
> Ned
Sphere
INTP -- Sphere, Brian, Ted D. Biggs
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Portrait of an Architect (iNTp)
Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is the
structural engineering role --
architechtonics -- that reaches the highest development in INTPs, and it
is for this reason they are
aptly called the "architects." Their major interest is in figuring out
structure, build, configuration --
the spatiality of things.
As the engineering capabilities the INTPs increase so does their desire
to let others know about
whatever has come of their engineering efforts. So they tend to take up
an informative role in their
social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if
they ever had any, to direct
the activities of others. Only when forced to by circumstance do they
allow themselves to take
charge of activities, and they exit the role as soon as they can without
injuring the enterprise.
The INTPs' distant goal is always to rearrange the environment somehow,
to shape, to construct,
to devise, whether it be buildings, institutions, enterprises, or
theories. They look upon the world --
natural and civil -- as little more than raw material to be reshaped
according to their design, as a
formless stone for their hammer and chisel. Ayn Rand, master of the
Rational character, describes
this characteristic in the architect Howard Roark, her protagonist in
The Fountainhead:
He was looking at the granite. He did not laugh as his eyes stopped
in awareness of the
earth around him. His face was like a law of nature-a thing one
could not question, alter or
implore. It had high cheekbones over gaunt, hollow cheeks; gray
eyes, cold and steady; a
contemptuous mouth, shut tight, the mouth of an executioner or a
saint. He looked at the
granite. To be cut, he thought, and made into walls. He looked at a
tree. To be split and
made into rafters. He looked at a streak of rust on the stone and
thought of iron ore under
the ground. To be melted and to emerge as girders against the sky.
These rocks, he
thought, are here for me; waiting for the drill, the dynamite and my
voice; waiting to be
split, ripped, pounded, reborn, waiting for the shape my hands will
give to them. [The
Fountainhead, pp 15-16]
Many regard this attitude as arrogant, and INTPs are likely, especially
in their later years, after
finding out that most others are faking an understanding of the laws of
nature, to think of
themselves as the prime movers who must pit themselves against nature
and society in an endless
struggle to define ends clearly and adopt whatever means that promise
success. If this is
arrogance, then at least it is not vanity, and without question it has
driven the design engineers to
take the lead in molding the structure of civilization.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INTJ -- Beth, john k
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Portrait of the Mastermind (iNTj)
Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is the
contingency planning or entailment
organizing role that reaches the highest development in INTJs. Entailing
or contingency planning is
not an informative activity, rather it is a directive one in which the
planner tells others what to do
and in what order to do it. As the organizing capabilities the INTJs
increase so does their
inclination to take charge of whatever is going on.
It is in their abilities that INTJs differ from the other NTs, while in
most of their attitudes they are
just like the others. However there is one attitude that sets them apart
from other NTs: they tend to
be much more self-confident than the rest, having, for obscure reasons,
developed a very strong
will. They are rather rare, comprising no more than, say, one percent of
the population. Being very
judicious, decisions come naturally to them; indeed, they can hardly
rest until they have things
settled, decided, and set. They are the people who are able to formulate
coherent and
comprehensive contingency plans, hence contingency organizers or
"entailers."
INTJs will adopt ideas only if they are useful, which is to say if they
work efficiently toward
accomplishing the INTJ's well-defined goals. Natural leaders, INTJs are
not at all eager to take
command of projects or groups, preferring to stay in the background
until others demonstrate their
inability to lead. Once in charge, however, INTJs are the supreme
pragmatists, seeing reality as a
crucible for refining their strategies for goal-directed action. In a
sense, INTJs approach reality as
they would a giant chess board, always seeking strategies that have a
high payoff, and always
devising contingency plans in case of error or adversity. To the INTJ,
organizational structure and
operational procedures are never arbitrary, never set in concrete, but
are quite malleable and can
be changed, improved, streamlined. In their drive for efficient action,
INTJs are the most
open-minded of all the types. No idea is too far-fetched to be
entertained-if it is useful. INTJs are
natural brainstormers, always open to new concepts and, in fact,
aggressively seeking them. They
are also alert to the consequences of applying new ideas or positions.
Theories which cannot be
made to work are quickly discarded by the INTJs. On the other hand,
INTJs can be quite ruthless in
implementing effective ideas, seldom counting personal cost in terms of
time and energy.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INFJ -- P.K.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Portrait of the Counselor (iNFj)
Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
The Counselor Idealists are abstract thought and speech, cooperative in
reaching their goals, and
directive and introverted in their interpersonal roles. Counselors focus
on human potentials, think in
terms of ethical values, and come easily to decisions. The small number
of this type (little more
than 2 percent) is regrettable, since iNFjs have an unusually strong
desire to contribute to the
welfare of others and genuinely enjoy helping their companions. Although
iNFjs tend to be private,
sensitive people, and are not generally visible leaders, they
nevertheless work quite intensely with
those close to them, quietly exerting their influence behind the scenes
with their families, friends,
and colleagues. This type has great depth of personality; they are
themselves complicated, and can
understand and deal with complex issues and people.
Counselors can be hard to get to know. They have an unusually rich
inner life, but they are
reserved and tend not to share their reactions except with those they
trust. With their loved ones,
certainly, iNFjs are not reluctant to express their feelings, their face
lighting up with the positive
emotions, but darkening like a thunderhead with the negative. Indeed,
because of their strong
ability to take into themselves the feelings of others, iNFjs can be
hurt rather easily by those
around them, which, perhaps, is one reason why they tend to be private
people, mutely withdrawing
from human contact. At the same time, friends who have known an iNFj for
years may find sides
emerging which come as a surprise. Not that they are inconsistent; iNFjs
value their integrity a
great deal, but they have intricately woven, mysterious personalities
which sometimes puzzle even
them.
Counselors have strong empathic abilities and can become aware of
another's emotions or
intentions-good or evil-even before that person is conscious of them.
This "mind-reading" can take
the form of feeling the hidden distress or illnesses of others to an
extent which is difficult for other
types to comprehend. Even iNFjs can seldom tell how they came to
penetrate others' feelings so
keenly. Furthermore, the iNFj is most likely of all the types to
demonstrate an ability to understand
psychic phenomena and to have visions of human events, past, present, or
future. What is known as
ESP may well be exceptional intuitive ability-in both its forms,
projection and introjection. Such
supernormal intuition is found frequently in the iNFj, and can extend to
people, things, and often
events, taking the form of visions, episodes of foreknowledge,
premonitions, auditory and visual
images of things to come, as well as uncanny communications with certain
individuals at a
distance.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
INFP -- Cap'n, tohall
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Portrait of the Healer (iNFp)
Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
Healer Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in
striving for their ends, and
informative and introverted in their interpersonal relations. Healer
present a seemingly tranquil, and
noticiably pleasant face to the world, and though to all appearances
they might seem reserved, and
even shy, on the inside they are anything but reserved, having a
capacity for caring not always
found in other types. They care deeply-indeed, passionately-about a few
special persons or a
favorite cause, and their fervent aim is to bring peace and integrity to
their loved ones and the
world.
Healers have a profound sense of idealism derived from a strong personal
morality, and they
conceive of the world as an ethical, honorable place. Indeed, to
understand iNFps, we must
understand their idealism as almost boundless and selfless, inspiring
them to make extraordinary
sacrifices for someone or something they believe in. The iNFp is the
Prince or Princess of fairytale,
the King's Champion or Defender of the Faith, like Sir Galahad or Joan
of Arc. Healers are found in
only 1 percent of the general population, although, at times, their
idealism leaves them feeling even
more isolated from the rest of humanity.
Healers seek unity in their lives, unity of body and mind, emotions and
intellect, perhaps because
they are likely to have a sense of inner division threaded through their
lives, which comes from
their often unhappy childhood. Healers live a fantasy-filled childhood,
which, unfortunately, is
discouraged or even punished by many parents. In a practical-minded
family, required by their
parents to be sociable and industrious in concrete ways, and also given
down-to-earth siblings who
conform to these parental expectations, iNFps come to see themselves as
ugly ducklings. Other
types usually shrug off parental expectations that do not fit them, but
not the iNFps. Wishing to
please their parents and siblings, but not knowing quite how to do it,
they try to hide their
differences, believing they are bad to be so fanciful, so unlike their
more solid brothers and sisters.
They wonder, some of them for the rest of their lives, whether they are
OK. They are quite OK, just
different from the rest of their family-swans reared in a family of
ducks. Even so, to realize and
really believe this is not easy for them. Deeply committed to the
positive and the good, yet taught
to believe there is evil in them, iNFps can come to develop a certain
fascination with the problem of
good and evil, sacred and profane. Tutors are drawn toward purity, but
can become engrossed with
the profane, continuously on the lookout for the wickedness that lurks
within them. Then, when
iNFps believe thay have yielded to an impure temptation, they may be
given to acts of self-sacrifice
in atonement. Others seldom detect this inner turmoil, however, for the
struggle between good and
evil is within the iNFp, who does not feel compelled to make the issue
public.
Sphere.
(This should help my line count on the next stats)
Ali Hassan
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin <gri...@rational.com> wrote in message
news:78oj75$6qa$1...@usenet.rational.com...
>>"Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin" wrote:
>>
>>Two posts. You've lost your status.
>>
>>Get out here and introduce yourself.
>>
>>--
>>Sphere.
>
>
>Okay, okay. (blush)
>
>I used to be Catholic, but I got better.
>
>I know Ali from hanging out in alt.consciousness.mysticism.
<Disclaimer: I don't do alt.consciousness.mysticism.....any more....uh, I
didn't inhale.....uh,...three times, and that's my Final Testimony!>
Ali
Sphere
>
> >"Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin" wrote:
> >
> >Two posts. You've lost your status.
> >
> >Get out here and introduce yourself.
> >
> >--
> >Sphere.
>
> Okay, okay. (blush)
>
> I used to be Catholic, but I got better.
>
> I know Ali from hanging out in alt.consciousness.mysticism.
> appeals to me yet. Maybe I never will. I even lurk in
> alt.religion.asatru (there is a bit of norse in my background).
We'll induct you into the cult of El Dupree --
that is, if the Heretics or the Snake Cult
doesn't get (to) you first.
Short stories are beyond my seventeen
syllable limit, but I'm sure we'll be
having some good new sutras soon.
> I came here by way of witchcraft, then magick, then magick.tantra,
> etc.
Haven't been the alt.alt.alt.alt.alt route then?
I don't do magick. I kept burning my
fingers.
> And, of course, as an INTJ, I'm a software quality engineer.
The company I work for needs more of those,
although I'm still working on the convincing
part. What part of the universe do you live
in?
> Later,
> Beth
--
Sphere.
Brian Drummond
John Kahila
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
<snip>
> Ah, so you can be opposite in four different ways.
You can be opposite in as many ways as you like. ;-)
> So, even by
> jimming up a phoney 3-D representation on paper, we would miss
> at lest one dimension:
Yep. <snip very nicely done ascii picture and text>
> Sounds like a lot of work. Just to measure a person (being, entity,
> self, soul, personality).
A lot of work? Probably ... if it is seen as work. Perhaps some people
see it as entertainment, roughly in the same category as "what's your
sign?" but less likely to draw flames from the scientism cult.
An interesting question, that ... what do we *mean* by being, entity,
self, soul, personality?
> Ned
regards,
Ted D. Biggs
>
> INTP -- Sphere, Brian, Ted D. Biggs
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Portrait of an Architect (iNTp)
>
> Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
This is really creepy.
> Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is the
> structural engineering role -- architechtonics -- that reaches the highest
> development in INTPs, and it is for this reason they are
> aptly called the "architects." Their major interest is in figuring out
> structure, build, configuration -- the spatiality of things.
I'm a software developer by trade.
> As the engineering capabilities the INTPs increase so does their desire
> to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering efforts.
In addition to my "other" religions, I'm an Object-Oriented Programming
zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
> So they tend to take up an informative role in their social exchanges.
> On the other hand they have less and less desire, if
> they ever had any, to direct the activities of others. Only when forced
> to by circumstance do they allow themselves to take charge of activities,
> and they exit the role as soon as they can without injuring the enterprise.
Definitely me. Management...UUUGGGHHHHHH.... *shudder*. (No offense to
you managers out there, but I'll be the first to admit I'd be a terrible
manager...can't delegate with a crap and I'm too "hands-on").
> The INTPs' distant goal is always to rearrange the environment somehow,
> to shape, to construct, to devise, whether it be buildings, institutions,
> enterprises, or theories. They look upon the world -- natural and civil --
> as little more than raw material to be reshaped according to their design,
> as a formless stone for their hammer and chisel.
I'm sure many in here would also say that's me....And they wouldn't be
wrong. That's the way I like it. ;)
Ted D. Biggs
> > >Me too. My wife was an ENFJ. Opposites attract I suppose. ;)
> ^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^
>
> Missed one Ned.
>
Hehehe... OK, 75% opposite. I don't suppose we'd want to be *completely* opposite!
Ned Ludd
<Spher...@my-dejanews.com> writes:
>...
> Missed one Ned.
>
---
Sphere:
> I'm an INTP.
P.K.:
> INFJ (for now, anway)
Cap'n:
> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
tohall:
> Me too, Doc. INFP
Beth:
> INTJ
john k:
> forgot last time ... INTJ)
Brian:
> Haven't retried but it's always been INTP so far...
Ted:
Captain Busternaut
<Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> "Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin" wrote:
> >
> > >"Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin" wrote:
> > >
> > >Two posts. You've lost your status.
> > >
> > >Get out here and introduce yourself.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Sphere.
> >
> > Okay, okay. (blush)
> >
> > I used to be Catholic, but I got better.
> >
> > I know Ali from hanging out in alt.consciousness.mysticism.
> > I tend to follow my own path, as I have not found one that fully
> > appeals to me yet. Maybe I never will. I even lurk in
> > alt.religion.asatru (there is a bit of norse in my background).
>
>
> We'll induct you into the cult of El Dupree --
> that is, if the Heretics or the Snake Cult
> doesn't get (to) you first.
You know......I don't think I was ever actually inducted into one of these...
...not that I'd like to be.
> Short stories are beyond my seventeen
> syllable limit, but I'm sure we'll be
> having some good new sutras soon.
So just make it a REALLY short story.
Captain Busternaut
That just sounds creepy.
Maybe I'll make it the title of my first
"return-to-form-but-still-showing-my-age-solo-album".
> Healers have a profound sense of idealism derived from a strong personal
> morality, and the conceive of the world as an ethical, honorable place.
I wouldn't say that.....but maybe that's just the "Gen-X" cynicism talking.
> to understand iNFps, we must understand their idealism as almost
> boundless and selfless
Hear that?
I'm selfless.
> inspiring them to make extraordinary sacrifices for someone or something
they > believe in.
It often surprises me how many people don't do that.
> only 1 percent of the general population, although, at times, their
> idealism leaves them feeling even more isolated from the rest of humanity.
I always thought that was "teen angst".
> Healers seek unity in their lives, unity of body and mind, emotions and
> intellect
Doesn't everyone?
> they are likely to have a sense of inner division threaded through their
> lives, which comes from their often unhappy childhood.
Once I hit 4th grade, yes....
> Healers live a fantasy-filled childhood, which, unfortunately, is
> discouraged or even punished by many parents.
Teachers, yes, parents, no.
> They wonder, some of them for the rest of their lives, whether they are
> OK.
...or they give up and don't care anymore.
Chris__Dadds
<ananda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Ned Ludd <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:78o0dn$c...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com...
>>In <36aeb5ff...@news.prodigy.net> cnc...@prodigy.net
>>(Chris__Dadds) writes:
>>
>>Ned asked:
>>>> Is there a way to display, on a 2-dimentional surface, how the
>>>> various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
>>>> 'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
>>>
>>Chris:
>>> I was visualizing a simple four column dual directional bar chart.
[....]
>>
>> Sounds like a lot of work. Just to measure a person (being, entity,
>> self, soul, personality).
>>
>> Ned
>>-----
>
>Plus the questions are stupid. I could only answer about 1/5th of them. So I
>don't even qualify.
>
>>Sphere:
>>> I'm an INTP.
>>
>>P.K.:
>>> INFJ (for now, anway)
>>
>>Cap'n:
>>> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
>>
>>tohall:
>>> Me too, Doc. INFP
>>
>>Beth:
>>> INTJ
>>
Chris is an INT/FP (depending on mood) who also believes that for
purposes of tracking usenet posters, the I-E axis is moot.
Therefore Ned, or Elvis if I may be so familiar, the results of your
three axis graph would be valid.
Chris
441
John Kahila
<gri...@rational.com> wrote in alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
>And, of course, as an INTJ, I'm a software quality engineer.
Yes!
john k (INTJ software designer, and i don't believe any of this stuff
really i don't, did i mention i'm a taurus?)
bonfils
(Brian Drummond) wrote:
> >> Sphere:
> >> > I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >> P.K.:
> >> > INFJ (for now, anway)
> >>
> >> Cap'n:
> >> > INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> >>
> >> tohall:
> >> > Me too, Doc. INFP
> >>
> >> Beth:
> >> > INTJ
Brian:
> Haven't retried but it's always been INTP so far...
ISTP ("the true virtuosos of tool work", they say)
(am I the only one here?)
Bonfils
http://bonfils.com/
To send me a message, first remove your.underwear. Thank you!
Sphere
>
> In <36AFD6EC...@my-dejanews.com> Sphere
> <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> writes:
> >...
> > Missed one Ned.
> >
> ---
>
> > I'm an INTP.
>
> P.K.:
> > INFJ (for now, anway)
>
> Cap'n:
> > INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
>
> tohall:
> > Me too, Doc. INFP
>
> Beth:
> > INTJ
>
> > forgot last time ... INTJ)
>
> > Haven't retried but it's always been INTP so far...
>
> > For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> > succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
LOL. At least you did some sort of substitution
for the "me too".
"And Lucifer and Mara had a son, and they
named him Ned." -- from "Sphere's Truth."
Sphere
I wonder if all the software I end up
having to fix in order to get mine
working is written by Js...
Sphere.
[Trouble is as trouble does.]
Brian Drummond
>Sphere wrote:
>>
>> INTP -- Sphere, Brian, Ted D. Biggs
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Portrait of an Architect (iNTp)
>>
>> Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
>
>This is really creepy.
Yup.
And I *really* don''t like the Howard Roark comparison.
>> Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is the
>> structural engineering role -- architechtonics -- that reaches the highest
>> development in INTPs, and it is for this reason they are
>> aptly called the "architects." Their major interest is in figuring out
>> structure, build, configuration -- the spatiality of things.
>
>I'm a software developer by trade.
>
>> As the engineering capabilities the INTPs increase so does their desire
>> to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering efforts.
>
>In addition to my "other" religions, I'm an Object-Oriented Programming
>zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
I take it you don't do C++. Or Java.
Unless you can't escape them...
- Brian
(former supposed object oriented hardware junkie)
Sphere
>
> ISTP ("the true virtuosos of tool work", they say)
>
> (am I the only one here?)
>
> Bonfils
Well, so far you're the only S to speak up --
but we can still say obnoxious things about
extroverts.
(You know. Little things, like...
I wonder if extroverts know how
to type.)
Sphere.
Ned Ludd
<Spher...@my-dejanews.com> writes:
Ned added:
>> Ted:
>>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
>>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
Sphere:
> LOL. At least you did some sort of substitution
> for the "me too".
>
What?? He said it.
>"And Lucifer and Mara had a son, and they
> named him Ned." -- from "Sphere's Truth."
>
...
And Elvis saw Marilyn,
That she was fair,
And from this their
Consubstantial union,
Came Baby Madonna.
And the generations
Of the baby Madonna
Are as numberless
As the grains of sand
Of all the deserts.
...
- fragment from "Elvis and Marilyn"
Sphere
>
> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:11:03 GMT, "Ted D. Biggs" <tbi...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> >Sphere wrote:
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Portrait of an Architect (iNTp)
> >>
> >> Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
> >
>
> Yup.
> And I *really* don''t like the Howard Roark comparison.
>
> >> structural engineering role -- architechtonics -- that reaches the highest
> >> development in INTPs, and it is for this reason they are
> >> aptly called the "architects." Their major interest is in figuring out
> >> structure, build, configuration -- the spatiality of things.
> >
> >
> >> to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering efforts.
> >
> >zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
>
> I take it you don't do C++. Or Java.
> Unless you can't escape them...
>
> - Brian
>
> (former supposed object oriented hardware junkie)
OOP is an oops. They took a bunch of
second-rate ideas from 1970s AI and
strung them together without much
thought -- then Bjorn came along with
next to no idea what a language was
and made C++. At least with Java they
fixed some of the worst mistakes in C++.
Active Symbols make much more sense
than the idiotic notions of type
safety and fixed inheritance.
(Speaking as someone who can't
escape C++, and what's worse I
have to deal with all the stupid
language's dead ends, blind spots,
and overly complicated useless
parts.)
Sphere.
Ted D. Biggs
> >In addition to my "other" religions, I'm an Object-Oriented Programming
> >zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
>
> I take it you don't do C++. Or Java.
> Unless you can't escape them...
>
> - Brian
>
> (former supposed object oriented hardware junkie)
No. A pro-zealot. I'm very big into C++ & trying to get management to
even consider Java. When I'm not reading Buddhist stuff I usually can be
found with my nose in an OO analysis & design book.
Ted D. Biggs
> Ned added:
> >> Ted:
> >>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> >>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
>
> Sphere:
> > LOL. At least you did some sort of substitution
> > for the "me too".
> >
>
> What?? He said it.
Well, I didn't personally make the Tang comment. I think someone else
said it about me. Not that I disagree. Tang just opened up a can of
Dharma Whoop-Ass on me this morning. ;)
Ya know, with all these bright software developer people in here we
could open up our own company. Call it DharmaSoft. ;)
Ted D. Biggs
> OOP is an oops. They took a bunch of
> second-rate ideas from 1970s AI and
> strung them together without much
> thought -- then Bjorn came along with
> next to no idea what a language was
> and made C++. At least with Java they
> fixed some of the worst mistakes in C++.
Well, I agree C++ is a kludge... and Stroustrup will be the first to
admit it. I can't tell how much C++ SW I've seen where classes are
nothing but a bunch of procedures lumped into one place. That's why I'm
*big* on design, even if you can only spend a day on it. A hammer's no
good to you if you keep bopping yourself on the head with it.
Java's a nice compromise. Syntatically, it's more like C++, so the C/C++
folks won't feel totally out of place. Structurally it's more like
Smalltalk, which is more of a *true* OO language. (There's that "T"-word
again!) Now if Sun can ever get HotSpot out to improve performance...
Sphere
>
> Brian Drummond wrote:
>
> > >In addition to my "other" religions, I'm an Object-Oriented Programming
> > >zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
> >
> > I take it you don't do C++. Or Java.
> > Unless you can't escape them...
> >
> > - Brian
> >
> > (former supposed object oriented hardware junkie)
>
> No. A pro-zealot. I'm very big into C++ & trying to get management to
> even consider Java. When I'm not reading Buddhist stuff I usually can be
> found with my nose in an OO analysis & design book.
Go read "Godel, Echer, Bach: the Eternal
Golden Braid" by Douglas R Hoffstadter,
and learn what an Active Symbol is. Then
you'll understand why OOP is an oops --
a bunch of second-rate, half-baked ideas
strung together with little thought.
Best thing in Jave is the interface
keyword.
Sphere.
--
Sphere.
Sphere
>
> Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> > Ned added:
> > >> Ted:
> > >>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> > >>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
> >
> > Sphere:
> > > LOL. At least you did some sort of substitution
> > > for the "me too".
> > >
> >
> > What?? He said it.
>
> Well, I didn't personally make the Tang comment. I think someone else
> said it about me. Not that I disagree. Tang just opened up a can of
> Dharma Whoop-Ass on me this morning. ;)
>
> Ya know, with all these bright software developer people in here we
> could open up our own company. Call it DharmaSoft. ;)
If we didn't kill each other first.
I think you just explained Heaven's
Gate to me.
Ali Hassan
Sphere <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:36B06DBA...@my-dejanews.com...
>Brian Drummond wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:11:03 GMT, "Ted D. Biggs" <tbi...@flash.net>
wrote:
>>
>> >Sphere wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Portrait of an Architect (iNTp)
>> >>
>> >> Copyrighted © 1996 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company.
>> >
>>
>> Yup.
>> And I *really* don''t like the Howard Roark comparison.
>>
>> >> structural engineering role -- architechtonics -- that reaches the
highest
>> >> development in INTPs, and it is for this reason they are
>> >> aptly called the "architects." Their major interest is in figuring out
>> >> structure, build, configuration -- the spatiality of things.
>> >
>> >
desire
>> >> to let others know about whatever has come of their engineering
efforts.
>> >
>> >zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
>>
>> I take it you don't do C++. Or Java.
>> Unless you can't escape them...
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>> (former supposed object oriented hardware junkie)
>
>second-rate ideas from 1970s AI and
>strung them together without much
>thought -- then Bjorn came along with
>next to no idea what a language was
>and made C++. At least with Java they
>fixed some of the worst mistakes in C++.
>
>than the idiotic notions of type
>safety and fixed inheritance.
>
>(Speaking as someone who can't
>escape C++, and what's worse I
>have to deal with all the stupid
>language's dead ends, blind spots,
>and overly complicated useless
>parts.)
>
>Sphere.
>-------
that and I'll never slam you again......foaming at the mouth, laughing
hysterically, falling over backwards.....
Ted D. Biggs
> > Ya know, with all these bright software developer people in here we
> > could open up our own company. Call it DharmaSoft. ;)
>
> If we didn't kill each other first.
>
> I think you just explained Heaven's
> Gate to me.
Pudding anyone?
Brian Drummond
>Brian Drummond wrote:
>
>> >In addition to my "other" religions, I'm an Object-Oriented Programming
>> >zealot. And I try to spread the gospel at any chance I have. ;)
>>
>> I take it you don't do C++. Or Java.
>> Unless you can't escape them...
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>> (former supposed object oriented hardware junkie)
>
>No. A pro-zealot. I'm very big into C++ & trying to get management to
>even consider Java. When I'm not reading Buddhist stuff I usually can be
>found with my nose in an OO analysis & design book.
>
heh!
I have to grudgingly admit, at least Java has a few of the rudimentary ideas of
OOP in a vaguely recognisable form. Though beside Smalltalk and other real OO
languages, it leaves a lot to be desired.
A few (OK, ten or twelve) years ago, there was a processor designed specifically
to run object-oriented programs. With full message-send as a single instruction.
Even the assembly code didn't know about addresses. Just object ID's (and
indexes into large objects). The Linn Rekursiv. (There's a little info about it
on John Bayko's CPU history site, and a few pages elsewhere on the web.)
The main language for it was Lingo - syntax was fairly C-like, but everything
else was pure objects. You could send any message to any object (including
integers, and classes) and it would respond appropriately (maybe
uncomprehendingly, but that's appropriate too!), assign anything you wanted to
any variable, do just about anything, in the cleanest simplest possible manner.
None of this template/virtual method/operator overloading/ layer upon layer of
irrelevant crap.
My PC implementation of Lingo was going quite well when the project shut down.
Quite robust too. I made a mistake demonstrating it to someone - and tried using
a class I hadn't implemented yet. It gave a "class does not exist" error message
and carried on running without a hitch. But it took about eight years before the
PC version ran as fast as the real thing... (120MHz Pentium versus 6 MHs
Rekursiv)
(Subsequently some other company has hijacked the name "Lingo" for some
multimedia scripting language but it ain't the real thing)
Of course it didn't sell...
- Brian
Ali Hassan
Ted D. Biggs <tbi...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:36B06F82...@flash.net...
>Ned Ludd wrote:
>
>> Ned added:
>> >> Ted:
>> >>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
>> >>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
>>
>> Sphere:
>> > LOL. At least you did some sort of substitution
>> > for the "me too".
>> >
>>
>> What?? He said it.
>
>Well, I didn't personally make the Tang comment. I think someone else
>said it about me. Not that I disagree. Tang just opened up a can of
>Dharma Whoop-Ass on me this morning. ;)
I didn't read it that way. Tang has definitely mellowed. His Authentic
Dharma-Whoop Ass (accept no substitutes) will make your hard drive crash.
And I'd like to personally salute him for doing what no one else in the 3
worlds managed to do, and that was to deflate and dismiss the troll from
these parts. Hahahaha!!
>Ya know, with all these bright software developer people in here we
>could open up our own company. Call it DharmaSoft. ;)
>
Wally Chapman
<smip>
> > We'll induct you into the cult of El Dupree --
> > that is, if the Heretics or the Snake Cult
> > doesn't get (to) you first.
>
> You know......I don't think I was ever actually inducted into one of these...
>
> ...not that I'd like to be.
The Snakeists don't "induct" people, they swallow them. As
to Guild inductions... hmmmmm. Hey, Fredrock! Y'wanna
line all the candidates up over there, while I go find my
ceremonial costume?
Wally MFWIC, Enforcement Committee of the Heretic's Guild
KJNL
>>"Doctor...
>> I said DOCTOR,
>> Is there noth'in I can take?
>> I said DOCTOR
>> To relieve this tummy ache.
>> I said Doctor!..."
Great suggestion. :-)
janL
-------------------------------------------------
All those who used to give me advice are crazier every day. Luckily, I ignored
them and they went to another city where they all live together constantly
swapping sombreros. - Pablo Neruda
KJNL
>> various Meyers-Briggs scores relate to each other, so one could
>> 'see' opposites by their position on the piece of paper?
I dunno...can't figure that one out. Maybe it's because I'm an INFP.
Ned Ludd
writes:
-----
Sphere:
> I'm an INTP.
P.K.:
> INFJ (for now, anway)
Cap'n:
> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
Tom Hall:
> Me too, Doc. INFP
Beth:
> INTJ
john k:
> forgot last time ... INTJ)
Brian:
> Haven't retried but it's always been INTP so far...
Ted:
> I'm an INTP.
Bonfils:
> ISTP ("the true virtuosos of tool work", they say)
janL:
Sphere
>
> Sphere wrote:
>
> > > Ya know, with all these bright software developer people in here we
> > > could open up our own company. Call it DharmaSoft. ;)
> >
> >
> > I think you just explained Heaven's
> > Gate to me.
>
> Pudding anyone?
>
None for me, thanks.
--
Sphere
>
> Sphere wrote:
>
> > second-rate ideas from 1970s AI and
> > strung them together without much
> > thought -- then Bjorn came along with
> > next to no idea what a language was
> > and made C++. At least with Java they
> > fixed some of the worst mistakes in C++.
>
> admit it. I can't tell how much C++ SW I've seen where classes are
> nothing but a bunch of procedures lumped into one place. That's why I'm
> *big* on design, even if you can only spend a day on it. A hammer's no
> good to you if you keep bopping yourself on the head with it.
>
> Java's a nice compromise. Syntatically, it's more like C++, so the C/C++
> folks won't feel totally out of place. Structurally it's more like
> Smalltalk, which is more of a *true* OO language. (There's that "T"-word
> again!) Now if Sun can ever get HotSpot out to improve performance...
What little I ever played with smalltalk it seemed
like a nice language -- but it isn't really LISP.
Aside from a bunch of rather odd languages, I
learned to program in LISP and then spent about
15 years programming in PDP-11 assembly (slowing
shifting to C toward the end). I refused to
learn Pascal. Jumping through hoops to do the
obvious is not the way for a language to get on
my good side.
Now I work with an object database which stores
C++ objects directly to disk. This means I know
more about what C++ thinks an object is than
I'm supposed to -- for multiple compilers and
machines. C++ is evil.
(Yes, I've known Fortran, PL/I, Focal, BAL,
APL, Logo, Prolog.....)
Sphere
>
> Ted D. Biggs <tbi...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:36B06F82...@flash.net...
> >Ned Ludd wrote:
> >
> >> Ned added:
> >> >> Ted:
> >> >>> For those with inquiring minds which Tang hasn't
> >> >>> succeeded in shutting down, I'm an INTP.
> >>
> >> Sphere:
> >> > LOL. At least you did some sort of substitution
> >> > for the "me too".
> >> >
> >>
> >> What?? He said it.
> >
> >Well, I didn't personally make the Tang comment. I think someone else
> >said it about me. Not that I disagree. Tang just opened up a can of
> >Dharma Whoop-Ass on me this morning. ;)
>
> I didn't read it that way. Tang has definitely mellowed. His Authentic
> Dharma-Whoop Ass (accept no substitutes) will make your hard drive crash.
> And I'd like to personally salute him for doing what no one else in the 3
> worlds managed to do, and that was to deflate and dismiss the troll from
> these parts. Hahahaha!!
I wrote the comment about Tang. Actually,
I like Tang (and even Troll).
As far as I can tell, through the verbage,
Tang and I really only disagree on the
rather sensitive subject of exactly what
you are supposed to do with all those
random mentations. He says lose them.
I say lose attachment to them.
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
>> And, of course, as an INTJ, I'm a software quality engineer.
>
>
>although I'm still working on the convincing
>part. What part of the universe do you live
>in?
New England, USA.
And I'm not interested in moving for a few years yet. And I
really like my job. Keeps me challanged.
Later,
Beth
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
Sphere wrote in message <36B1028A...@my-dejanews.com>...
>"Ted D. Biggs" wrote:
>>
>> Sphere wrote:
>>
>> > OOP is an oops. They took a bunch of
>(Yes, I've known Fortran, PL/I, Focal, BAL,
> APL, Logo, Prolog.....)
>
>--
>Sphere.
Let's see: Cobol, PL/I (now that was one I could do without),
BASIC,C, Perl.
Although I am currently a Quality Engineer, note the
engineer part - designing automated tests.
I was a Software Engineer for a few years, X-Windows.
Someday, I'll be a Software Architect. That is my real
dream. I even have the project picked out. Now, to have
the money to disappear in my home office for a few months.
Beth
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin wrote in message
<78r3va$2k9$1...@usenet.rational.com>...
>
>Let's see: Cobol, PL/I (now that was one I could do without),
>BASIC,C, Perl.
Oops, forgot the Fortran.
Beth
dr...@ecity.net
Ned Ludd wrote in message <78qpkb$m...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>...
Well now, this looks like an official poll.... INFP.
droll
>
>
Sphere
>
> Sphere wrote in message <36B1028A...@my-dejanews.com>...
> >"Ted D. Biggs" wrote:
> >>
> >> Sphere wrote:
> >>
> >> > OOP is an oops. They took a bunch of
> ...
> >(Yes, I've known Fortran, PL/I, Focal, BAL,
> > APL, Logo, Prolog.....)
> >
> >--
> >Sphere.
>
> BASIC,C, Perl.
>
> engineer part - designing automated tests.
>
> I was a Software Engineer for a few years, X-Windows.
>
> Someday, I'll be a Software Architect. That is my real
> dream. I even have the project picked out. Now, to have
> the money to disappear in my home office for a few months.
>
> Beth
Let me tell you about computer aided
collective decisionmaking....
Sphere.
[I don't have grandchildren yet.]
Sphere
Gee. Now I wonder. Northern
or Southern (i.e. Metro Boston)?
The build (internal) for our
product really sucks. It uses
the product to build the product...
Sphere.
[Who's engaged in a small war....]
Sphere
>
> Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin wrote in message
> <78r3va$2k9$1...@usenet.rational.com>...
>
> >
> >BASIC,C, Perl.
>
>
> Beth
You admit to Basic?
The only Cobol I know is from
the time I was doing an installation
in an IBM shop. I was helping the
operators with their homework. One
nice thing about Cobol -- you don't
really need to know the langauge
to debug it.
Perl is nice. "How do you program?
No problem. I do that."
Sphere.
[Ever try to use the PL/I preprocessor?]
Sphere
So far, I can still safely make fun of Extroverts.
Sphere.
Sphere
> Ardmore, Ok., some 30yrs ago. But I'll tell you this, you and Tang have alot
> more different than what to do with mentation.
Like vibes maybe?
Ali Hassan
Ali Hassan
>"Ted D. Biggs" wrote:
>>
>> Sphere wrote:
>>
>> > OOP is an oops. They took a bunch of
> APL, Logo, Prolog.....)
>
>--
>Sphere.
In the Biblical sense?
Ted D. Biggs
> I haven't heard Ted's 'open up some whoop-ass on you boy', since I left
> Ardmore, Ok., some 30yrs ago. But I'll tell you this, you and Tang have alot
> more different than what to do with mentation.
I'm from Texas........ y'all. ;)
Sphere
For programmers there is no other
sense.
Wally Chapman
>
> bonfils wrote:
> >
> > ISTP ("the true virtuosos of tool work", they say)
> >
> >
> > Bonfils
>
> Well, so far you're the only S to speak up --
> but we can still say obnoxious things about
> extroverts.
>
> (You know. Little things, like...
> I wonder if extroverts know how
> to type.)
Y'know, I just gotta say this - MB measures how you prefer
to receive and process information. I think when people say
"extrovert", they're thinking of social interactions. The
terms "extroversion" and "introversion" in the MB refer to
ways of thinking/feeling/information gathering, not
necessarily acting.
It's possible to be a social extrovert and an MB introvert,
and vice versa.
Wally
Wally Chapman
>
> dr...@ecity.net wrote:
> >
> > Ned Ludd wrote in message <78qpkb$m...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>...
> > >In <19990128171052...@ng-cg1.aol.com> kj...@aol.com (KJNL)
> > >writes:
> > >-----
> > >
> > >Sphere:
> > >> I'm an INTP.
> > >
> > >P.K.:
> > >> INFJ (for now, anway)
> > >
> > >Cap'n:
> > >> INFP....sometimes I wonder if my brain even has a left hemisphere.
> > >
> > >Tom Hall:
> > >> Me too, Doc. INFP
> > >
> > >Beth:
> > >> INTJ
> > >
> > >john k:
> > >> forgot last time ... INTJ)
> > >
> > >Brian:
> > >> Haven't retried but it's always been INTP so far...
> > >
> > >Ted:
> > >> I'm an INTP.
> > >
> > >Bonfils:
> > >
> > >> I dunno...can't figure that one out. Maybe it's because I'm an INFP.
> >
> > Well now, this looks like an official poll.... INFP.
> > droll
> > >
> > >
>
> So far, I can still safely make fun of Extroverts.
>
> Sphere.
First time I took this thing, i was an INFP. After seven
years in the counseling business, I came out as an ENFJ. I
think it's because I bought a filing cabinet for my house...
organization moves ya from P to J.
Wally
Ali Hassan
>Ali Hassan wrote:
>
>> I haven't heard Ted's 'open up some whoop-ass on you boy', since I left
>> Ardmore, Ok., some 30yrs ago. But I'll tell you this, you and Tang have
alot
>> more different than what to do with mentation.
>
>I'm from Texas........ y'all. ;)
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Ted D. Biggs
>
the Texas outlaws would get across the Red River for sanctuary, and
sometimes settle down there and raid North Texas from there. So in Love and
Carter counties, just North of the border on I-35, and also where some of
the cattle trails used to run, you still have some real deviant families
back in the woods. They were still busting bootleggers back then in the
60's, when I was growing up down there.
tri...@hotmail.com
Sphere <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> Ali Hassan wrote:
> >
> As far as I can tell, through the verbage,
> Tang and I really only disagree on the
> rather sensitive subject of exactly what
> you are supposed to do with all those
> random mentations. He says lose them.
> I say lose attachment to them.
>
Hmmmmm, I think, at least for the time being,
my vote goes with Sphere.
enjoy the spaces between the thoughts but don't get all worked up about the
ones that pop up.
I don't really think it's possible to avoid conceptual thought all
together... well not without going into some kind of coma/vegitative state...
(However, it probably isn't too bad if the thoughts that do arise are about
compassion for the sentient beings, or meditation... rather than the shopping
list or all the chores that need to be done after practice.)
And there's also the possiblity of sitting with "no-thoughts" and having a
dull mind rather than a peaceful mind. "Stopping thought" all by itself, is
certainly not to be mistaken for Awakening. (anyone remember some of the
earlier, ABSFG wars?)
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bonfils
<shel...@fuse.net> wrote:
> Sphere wrote:
> First time I took this thing, i was an INFP. After seven
> years in the counseling business, I came out as an ENFJ. I
> think it's because I bought a filing cabinet for my house...
> organization moves ya from P to J.
Oh sure. But a filing cabinet does not an organizer make ...
Bonfils
http://bonfils.com/
To send me a message, first remove your.underwear. Thank you!
Brian Drummond
<gri...@rational.com> wrote:
>
>Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin wrote in message
><78r3va$2k9$1...@usenet.rational.com>...
>
>>
>>Let's see: Cobol, PL/I (now that was one I could do without),
>>BASIC,C, Perl.
>
>Oops, forgot the Fortran.
>
I think you meant FORTRAN.
(either that or you're younger than I am)
- Brian
(lessee ... ALGOL-W, FORTRAN-IV, BBC Basic, Z-80 and other assorted assembler,
Modula-2 (one favourite) Lingo (another favourite), C, Rekursiv microcode, a
smattering of C++, VHDL...
My X-windows programming was in the X-10 days. )
Pete Watters
Lessee. IBM 360 Assembly, BASIC, PL/1, Fortran, and I played around with
Java until I realized that I would never be the master like the Ape King.
Pete (does AppleScript count?)
bonfils
<Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > >(Yes, I've known Fortran, PL/I, Focal, BAL,
> > > APL, Logo, Prolog.....)
> > >
> > In the Biblical sense?
>
> For programmers there is no other
> sense.
The next question is of course whether they actually *make* sense ...
(Ow! Don't hit me! I'm a programmer myself - sorta)
Ali Hassan
bonfils <ma...@your.underwear.bonfils.com> wrote in message
news:mail-29019...@195.97.142.251...
>In article <36B14289...@my-dejanews.com>, Sphere
><Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
>> > >(Yes, I've known Fortran, PL/I, Focal, BAL,
>> > > APL, Logo, Prolog.....)
>> > >
>> > In the Biblical sense?
>>
>> For programmers there is no other
>> sense.
>
>The next question is of course whether they actually *make* sense ...
>(Ow! Don't hit me! I'm a programmer myself - sorta)
>
>Bonfils
We're all programmers on this bus. Some just do it with universal buses!
Ahahahahahahaha!
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
Sphere wrote in message <36B1283D...@my-dejanews.com>...
>
>Gee. Now I wonder. Northern
>or Southern (i.e. Metro Boston)?
>
North of Boston. Work in Lexington, live in New Hampshire.
>The build (internal) for our
>product really sucks. It uses
>the product to build the product...
Sounds like our internal builds. But usually builds are broken
by someone who didn't adequately test after integrating
changes to the project main line.
Beth
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
Sphere wrote in message <36B12B12...@my-dejanews.com>...
>[Ever try to use the PL/I preprocessor?]
I have this block about PL/I. First semester, it was taught
in an auditorium (mostly business majors).
Second semester, I made the mistake of trying to relate
what the instructor discussed in class with what the T/A
taught in Lab (not the discussed vs. taught). I became
so confused.
Now I understand what was said in both places, but at the
time... No Way! The only class I ever flunked ;-)
After that, I went into Math.
Beth
John Kahila
wrote in alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
CDC 6400 assembler, FORTRAN II (ha!) and a glancing exposure to RPG.
Avoided computers for 10 years after that. :-) Then more sensible(?)
stuff like Turbo Pascal and C. Nowadays just specs and ERDs, *sigh*.
john k
Sphere
>
> Sphere wrote in message <36B1283D...@my-dejanews.com>...
> >
> >Gee. Now I wonder. Northern
> >or Southern (i.e. Metro Boston)?
> >
>
> North of Boston. Work in Lexington, live in New Hampshire.
Heheh. I bet you come down rt 3 along with
all the rest of them.
I live just north of Boston near 93, and work in
Burlington.
> >The build (internal) for our
> >product really sucks. It uses
> >the product to build the product...
>
> Sounds like our internal builds. But usually builds are broken
> by someone who didn't adequately test after integrating
> changes to the project main line.
The product uses itself as part of
the build. (A substantial part of
the build.) Talk about circular
dependancies.
> Beth
--
Sphere
I operated a 360/65 weekends while
in school. Lots of the jobs would
run an hour -- or 20 -- at a time,
but much of the time I effectively
had access to the machine much like
PCs today. (Except for the punch
cards that is.)
I'd run a longish job while I coded,
then run some short jobs -- including
my own. Then another long job.
Chris__Dadds
(bonfils) wrote:
>In article <36B14A2D...@fuse.net>, Wally Chapman
><shel...@fuse.net> wrote:
>
>> Sphere wrote:
>
>> First time I took this thing, i was an INFP. After seven
>> years in the counseling business, I came out as an ENFJ. I
>> think it's because I bought a filing cabinet for my house...
>> organization moves ya from P to J.
>
>Oh sure. But a filing cabinet does not an organizer make ...
>
>Bonfils
Filing cabinets! I've been using them as Pileing cabinets! Geeze,
mebbt having a spell checker surgically implanted would help. Hmmm, I
wonder if I could get one installed in the hearing aid. There's just
something about those consonants. :-)
I just tried the test again, hadn't done it for a few months. I came
up as an INTP again although I noticed that when answering the
questions that a lot of my responses would be situation specific. That
is: I would choose one response if I were working as a leader and
another if the current job lower down the chain of command.
I suppose that's a problem with having collected so many memories from
so many avocations. :-) Then it sets me to wondering if I have any
idea what I want. Or if I should want? And here I sit back at square
one again. Ah well.
Hey Ned! I'm an INTP.
Chris
(Seems the poll only counts simple declarative sentences)
tjn
>
> In article <36B104E9...@my-dejanews.com>,
> Sphere <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> > Ali Hassan wrote:
> > >
> > As far as I can tell, through the verbage,
> > Tang and I really only disagree on the
> > rather sensitive subject of exactly what
> > you are supposed to do with all those
> > random mentations. He says lose them.
> > I say lose attachment to them.
> >
>
> Hmmmmm, I think, at least for the time being,
> my vote goes with Sphere.
i needn't say anything, right?
> enjoy the spaces between the thoughts but don't get all worked up about the
> ones that pop up.
>
> I don't really think it's possible to avoid conceptual thought all
> together... well not without going into some kind of coma/vegitative state...
> (However, it probably isn't too bad if the thoughts that do arise are about
> compassion for the sentient beings, or meditation... rather than the shopping
> list or all the chores that need to be done after practice.)
complete suppression of thought is not the no-thought or non-thinking of
zen.
> And there's also the possiblity of sitting with "no-thoughts" and having a
> dull mind rather than a peaceful mind. "Stopping thought" all by itself, is
> certainly not to be mistaken for Awakening. (anyone remember some of the
> earlier, ABSFG wars?)
well...
John Kahila
by touch-feely corporate human resources departments ... :-)
http://graphics.lcs.mit.edu/~becca/enneagram/rheti/
john k
dr...@ecity.net
bonfils wrote in message ...
>In article <36B14A2D...@fuse.net>, Wally Chapman
><shel...@fuse.net> wrote:
>
>> Sphere wrote:
>
>> First time I took this thing, i was an INFP. After seven
>> years in the counseling business, I came out as an ENFJ. I
>> think it's because I bought a filing cabinet for my house...
>> organization moves ya from P to J.
>
>Oh sure. But a filing cabinet does not an organizer make ...
Yeah, but it helps. I've often contemplated getting one of those really
nice
4 drawer lateral types.
droll
Mr. Minkfoot
Kahila) wrote:
How about real old New Age?
I have Sun in Libra, Moon in Taurus, probably Aquarius rising (my mother
can't remember the time), and my Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter are all
in Scorpio.
---The Lone Fool
Sphere
John Kahila wrote:
>
> And as long as we're on the subject of New Age personality tests favored
> by touch-feely corporate human resources departments ... :-)
>
> http://graphics.lcs.mit.edu/~becca/enneagram/rheti/
>
> john k
Um... Tables don't translate very well...
Type 1
Type 2
Type 3
Type 4
Type 5
Type 6
Type 7
Type 8
Type 9
21
7
15
20
27
15
5
16
18
John Kahila
wrote in alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
>In article <36b38549...@news.std.com>, jka...@world.std.com (John
>Kahila) wrote:
>
>}And as long as we're on the subject of New Age personality tests favored
>}by touch-feely corporate human resources departments ... :-)
>}
>}http://graphics.lcs.mit.edu/~becca/enneagram/rheti/
>
>
>How about real old New Age?
>
>I have Sun in Libra, Moon in Taurus, probably Aquarius rising (my mother
>can't remember the time), and my Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter are all
>in Scorpio.
>
> ---The Lone Fool
Tropically: Sun in Taurus, Moon in Pisces and balsamic, Gemini rising,
various other longitudes of less interest. Saturn closely conjunct IC,
sextile Uranus rising which is in turn square the elevated Moon.
Mercury square Pluto. Venus combust, Sun and Venus widely conjunct
Mars, all trine Jupiter.
Modern techniques are so amateurish by comparison. It's like letting
kids use calculators in first grade, doncha think?
john k (who doesn't believe in any of this stuff, really i don't)
Brian Drummond
>tri...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> In article <36B104E9...@my-dejanews.com>,
>> Sphere <Spher...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>> > Ali Hassan wrote:
>> > >
>> > As far as I can tell, through the verbage,
>> > Tang and I really only disagree on the
>> > rather sensitive subject of exactly what
>> > you are supposed to do with all those
>> > random mentations. He says lose them.
>> > I say lose attachment to them.
>> >
>>
>> Hmmmmm, I think, at least for the time being,
>> my vote goes with Sphere.
>
>i needn't say anything, right?
>
>> enjoy the spaces between the thoughts but don't get all worked up about the
>> ones that pop up.
>>
>> I don't really think it's possible to avoid conceptual thought all
>> together... well not without going into some kind of coma/vegitative state...
>> (However, it probably isn't too bad if the thoughts that do arise are about
>> compassion for the sentient beings, or meditation... rather than the shopping
>> list or all the chores that need to be done after practice.)
>
>complete suppression of thought is not the no-thought or non-thinking of
>zen.
I recall Tang saying that nothing was to be forced - that his "non-mentation"
had to happen naturally, it could not be forced. So I don't think there's as
much difference between Tang and all those heretics as he claims.
Perhaps having lost attachment to mentations, they will cease by themselves.
- Brian