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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 13, 2012, 8:06:16 PM11/13/12
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I know it's like comparing pears and apples, but both are "fruits,"
perhaps infected by the same disease.
Around here it's more visible, or palpable if you will, with "street
beautification" that adds yet another challenge for drivers and
cyclists. It's perhaps the way to "dump money down the drain" in the
literal sense of the word. It's also palpable in the sense that you
may bump into it at night. Something invisible may be palpable, just
as the blind man feels finds his way around.
The greatest miracle though is that people remain blind to all this
corruption. Never mind that they can speak freely. They won't.
But there's renovation in China as there in America. Perhaps someone
will remember the humble man on a bike or foot. Or perhaps the humble
man is no more. There are just winners and losers.
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perhaps infected by the same disease.
Around here it's more visible, or palpable if you will, with "street
beautification" that adds yet another challenge for drivers and
cyclists. It's perhaps the way to "dump money down the drain" in the
literal sense of the word. It's also palpable in the sense that you
may bump into it at night. Something invisible may be palpable, just
as the blind man feels finds his way around.
The greatest miracle though is that people remain blind to all this
corruption. Never mind that they can speak freely. They won't.
But there's renovation in China as there in America. Perhaps someone
will remember the humble man on a bike or foot. Or perhaps the humble
man is no more. There are just winners and losers.
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liaM
Nov 13, 2012, 8:57:00 PM11/13/12
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Le 14/11/2012 02:06, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
Some people are humble by nature. Others are humbled by nature.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 13, 2012, 10:54:27 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 9:07 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
I'm humble by nature. But China and America will be humbled by nature.
NYC just did.
NYC just did.
pi
Nov 13, 2012, 10:57:58 PM11/13/12
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good laws which its citizens don't obey?
This has puzzled me for a long time now.
I mean, in reality laws are made by humans and we humans have almost
no clue. The very laws are usually principally enforced on non-law-
maker humans which have even less clue.
Does a non-corrupt society have perfect (utopian) laws with which its
(utopian) citizens are familiar and which they obey? Where do you get
these laws? And where do you get infallible automata to obey them?
Just some "thoughts".
pi
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 13, 2012, 11:36:59 PM11/13/12
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We can say, for example, that most laws that regulate speed in a city
environment are fair and just. How can we justify that cars
customarily violate the speed limits and endanger pedestrians?
The solution is rather simple, cold and effective as only a machine
can be: SPEED CAMERAS! However America seems to be that only civilized
country where such devices are resisted by those who are most
threatened by their effectiveness. The driver rules.
They claim that Big Brother is predatory but the government is elected
by the people, so they seem to prove my point rather than prove the
effectiveness of democracy. Perhaps people are just dumb unless they
have a degree of education and participation.
In the Netherlands it was the people not the elites that brought about
space for cyclists.
mortx
Nov 14, 2012, 4:14:56 AM11/14/12
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mortx
Nov 14, 2012, 4:31:41 AM11/14/12
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we should probably test where each others heart is as well...... politicians need to be more than smart.
shrug. times are a changing..
shrug. times are a changing..
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 4:35:12 AM11/14/12
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On Nov 13, 11:46 pm, "when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is
a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian"
<voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SAME SAME ,
> but in different ways .
Perhaps we can explain it this way: Corruption in China is more
"monumental" while in America is the kind "underground." Though our
stadiums are monumental too and you can't miss them. But in America
you don't see big dams or fast trains that actually do something.
a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian"
<voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> SAME SAME ,
> but in different ways .
Perhaps we can explain it this way: Corruption in China is more
"monumental" while in America is the kind "underground." Though our
stadiums are monumental too and you can't miss them. But in America
you don't see big dams or fast trains that actually do something.
mortx
Nov 14, 2012, 4:41:43 AM11/14/12
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if youre a politician feel free to steal but i expect a hand shake atleast.....
mortx
Nov 14, 2012, 4:51:06 AM11/14/12
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you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
O:-)
O:-)
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 9:59:12 AM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 4:51 am, "mortx" <m...@x.org> wrote:
> you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
>
> O:-)
By implementing SPEED CAMERAS, local politicians can dispose of plenty
> you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
>
> O:-)
of cash without raising taxes. But can they take a bite while doing
something actually good?
It sounds challenging.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 10:51:19 AM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 9:59 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Another solution (the revolution is about solutions) is cracking down
on people who litter. Banning chewing gum and cigarette in public
places sounds good to me. The fines pay for public projects.
Again, it doesn't take care of what they do with the money. "City
beautification" should start with clean streets not pouring money
into projects that squeeze drivers and cyclists further. Guess who
loses when we are squeezed and we don't have the space to ride a bike.
If China promotes the automobile --as they seem to be doing-- we are
all doomed. The bicycle is the vehicle of liberation. In that sense,
Mao was right.
on people who litter. Banning chewing gum and cigarette in public
places sounds good to me. The fines pay for public projects.
Again, it doesn't take care of what they do with the money. "City
beautification" should start with clean streets not pouring money
into projects that squeeze drivers and cyclists further. Guess who
loses when we are squeezed and we don't have the space to ride a bike.
If China promotes the automobile --as they seem to be doing-- we are
all doomed. The bicycle is the vehicle of liberation. In that sense,
Mao was right.
liaM
Nov 14, 2012, 12:17:32 PM11/14/12
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Le 14/11/2012 16:51, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
"Cracking down on people" is bad practice. Educating kids from the
start is what works. Educate kids about dirt and littering, about
coughing and smoking, about helping and not grabbing, is what it's about.
And making sure to mix boys and girls playing together, rather than
assigning them sexist roles (such as cheerleading vs. football),
is what it's about.
And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
start is what works. Educate kids about dirt and littering, about
coughing and smoking, about helping and not grabbing, is what it's about.
And making sure to mix boys and girls playing together, rather than
assigning them sexist roles (such as cheerleading vs. football),
is what it's about.
And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
pi
Nov 14, 2012, 1:01:49 PM11/14/12
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textbooks to math, physics, biology, psychology, social psychology and
religious studies:
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1175489178l/520680.jpg
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1347491879l/1672329.jpg
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1348812646l/9039344.jpg
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1180397579l/1035242.jpg
http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1167956957l/28820.jpg
What would the corresponding most authoritative and most widely known/
used textbook in the domain of political studies, please?
pi
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 4:52:26 PM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 12:28 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
thrown in jail in NYC, but I don't know if they enforce it.
>
> And making sure to mix boys and girls playing together, rather than
> assigning them sexist roles (such as cheerleading vs. football),
> is what it's about.
>
> And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
> only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
> their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
> driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
That's another model different from the Dutch? They practice
segregation but even kids feel safe riding. Would you mix kids and
cars on the same road?
I don't think so.
> Le 14/11/2012 16:51, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a écrit :
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> > On Nov 14, 9:59 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 14, 4:51 am, "mortx" <m...@x.org> wrote:
>
> >>> you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
>
> >>> O:-)
>
> >> By implementing SPEED CAMERAS, local politicians can dispose of plenty
> >> of cash without raising taxes. But can they take a bite while doing
> >> something actually good?
>
> >> It sounds challenging.
>
> > Another solution (the revolution is about solutions) is cracking down
> > on people who litter. Banning chewing gum and cigarette in public
> > places sounds good to me. The fines pay for public projects.
>
> > Again, it doesn't take care of what they do with the money. "City
> > beautification" should start with clean streets not pouring money
> > into projects that squeeze drivers and cyclists further. Guess who
> > loses when we are squeezed and we don't have the space to ride a bike.
>
> > If China promotes the automobile --as they seem to be doing-- we are
> > all doomed. The bicycle is the vehicle of liberation. In that sense,
> > Mao was right.
>
> "Cracking down on people" is bad practice. Educating kids from the
> start is what works. Educate kids about dirt and littering, about
> coughing and smoking, about helping and not grabbing, is what it's about.
"People who litter" deserve some punishment, don't they? They could be
>
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> > On Nov 14, 9:59 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 14, 4:51 am, "mortx" <m...@x.org> wrote:
>
> >>> you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
>
> >>> O:-)
>
> >> By implementing SPEED CAMERAS, local politicians can dispose of plenty
> >> of cash without raising taxes. But can they take a bite while doing
> >> something actually good?
>
> >> It sounds challenging.
>
> > Another solution (the revolution is about solutions) is cracking down
> > on people who litter. Banning chewing gum and cigarette in public
> > places sounds good to me. The fines pay for public projects.
>
> > Again, it doesn't take care of what they do with the money. "City
> > beautification" should start with clean streets not pouring money
> > into projects that squeeze drivers and cyclists further. Guess who
> > loses when we are squeezed and we don't have the space to ride a bike.
>
> > If China promotes the automobile --as they seem to be doing-- we are
> > all doomed. The bicycle is the vehicle of liberation. In that sense,
> > Mao was right.
>
> "Cracking down on people" is bad practice. Educating kids from the
> start is what works. Educate kids about dirt and littering, about
> coughing and smoking, about helping and not grabbing, is what it's about.
thrown in jail in NYC, but I don't know if they enforce it.
>
> And making sure to mix boys and girls playing together, rather than
> assigning them sexist roles (such as cheerleading vs. football),
> is what it's about.
>
> And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
> only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
> their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
> driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
segregation but even kids feel safe riding. Would you mix kids and
cars on the same road?
I don't think so.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 4:53:58 PM11/14/12
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would know what to do.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 5:08:12 PM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 11:05 am, jigo <reti...@home.com> wrote:
> pretty academic. In other areas, China is probably more repressive
> of individual rights than the U.S., but at least they don't waste
> everyone's money by getting involved in other people's conflicts or
> having troops stationed all over the world. And I doubt that
> they're constantly breaking down doors, invading homes, terrorizing
> and often beating and arresting innocent people the way the U.S. does.
And they save the money spent on elections. That's money, very big
money.
Perhaps they can build a train from NY to LA with that money. Well,
counting corruption they should be able to make it to Chicago.
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> > I know it's like comparing pears and apples, but both are "fruits,"
> > perhaps infected by the same disease.
>
> > Around here it's more visible, or palpable if you will, with "street
> > beautification" that adds yet another challenge for drivers and
> > cyclists. It's perhaps the way to "dump money down the drain" in the
> > literal sense of the word. It's also palpable in the sense that you
> > may bump into it at night. Something invisible may be palpable, just
> > as the blind man feels finds his way around.
>
> > The greatest miracle though is that people remain blind to all this
> > corruption. Never mind that they can speak freely. They won't.
>
> > But there's renovation in China as there in America. Perhaps someone
> > will remember the humble man on a bike or foot. Or perhaps the humble
> > man is no more. There are just winners and losers.
>
> When countries sink to that level of corruption, the difference is
>
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> > I know it's like comparing pears and apples, but both are "fruits,"
> > perhaps infected by the same disease.
>
> > Around here it's more visible, or palpable if you will, with "street
> > beautification" that adds yet another challenge for drivers and
> > cyclists. It's perhaps the way to "dump money down the drain" in the
> > literal sense of the word. It's also palpable in the sense that you
> > may bump into it at night. Something invisible may be palpable, just
> > as the blind man feels finds his way around.
>
> > The greatest miracle though is that people remain blind to all this
> > corruption. Never mind that they can speak freely. They won't.
>
> > But there's renovation in China as there in America. Perhaps someone
> > will remember the humble man on a bike or foot. Or perhaps the humble
> > man is no more. There are just winners and losers.
>
> pretty academic. In other areas, China is probably more repressive
> of individual rights than the U.S., but at least they don't waste
> everyone's money by getting involved in other people's conflicts or
> having troops stationed all over the world. And I doubt that
> they're constantly breaking down doors, invading homes, terrorizing
> and often beating and arresting innocent people the way the U.S. does.
And they save the money spent on elections. That's money, very big
money.
Perhaps they can build a train from NY to LA with that money. Well,
counting corruption they should be able to make it to Chicago.
pi
Nov 14, 2012, 5:19:13 PM11/14/12
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pi
P.S. Geography? :) :) :) Anyone? :) :) :)
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liaM
Nov 14, 2012, 6:13:22 PM11/14/12
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Le 14/11/2012 22:52, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
>>
>> And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
>> only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
>> their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
>> driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
>
> That's another model different from the Dutch? They practice
> segregation but even kids feel safe riding. Would you mix kids and
> cars on the same road?
>
> I don't think so.
>
Of course I do and I have. Do you want your kids to be cowed and fearful?
They need to learn to be alive to what's happening on the road,
weave and duck, stand up to bullies, learn the power they have over
drivers and all other threats.
What power, you ask?
The power of their minds over matter, whether on roads full of perils
or over governments who want to send them to wage war.
>>
>> And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
>> only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
>> their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
>> driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
>
> That's another model different from the Dutch? They practice
> segregation but even kids feel safe riding. Would you mix kids and
> cars on the same road?
>
> I don't think so.
>
They need to learn to be alive to what's happening on the road,
weave and duck, stand up to bullies, learn the power they have over
drivers and all other threats.
What power, you ask?
The power of their minds over matter, whether on roads full of perils
or over governments who want to send them to wage war.
fruggy
Nov 14, 2012, 7:32:16 PM11/14/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
>I know it's like comparing pears and apples, but both are "fruits,"
>perhaps infected by the same disease.
In which case both are corrupt.
>I know it's like comparing pears and apples, but both are "fruits,"
>perhaps infected by the same disease.
Trying to find out which is more rotten
depends on what standards are used.
>Around here it's more visible, or palpable if you will, with "street
>beautification" that adds yet another challenge for drivers and
>cyclists. It's perhaps the way to "dump money down the drain" in the
>literal sense of the word.
Beauty could in the eyes of those who see
whatever they see as not being ugly.
Unless you think ugly has its own beauty.
There could also be beautiful shades of grey
clouds, fog rolling in. Along with greens and
playing the blues or seeing red.
> It's also palpable in the sense that you
>may bump into it at night. Something invisible may be palpable, just
>as the blind man feels finds his way around.
>The greatest miracle though
Beyond which there are none greater?
> is that people remain blind to all this
>corruption. Never mind that they can speak freely. They won't.
It's akin to seeing only two sides
as if that were all there were.
Take a coin, for instance.
Some say there's only heads and tails.
Some will point to the edge.
A few may notice how coins also have
an inside and an outside.
The inside of a coin tends to be limited
to the material of which the coin is struck.
The outside of a coin is everything.
People have an inside and an outside too.
Most only identify with a small space.
Some see how everything in its entirety
is their own outsides. A very shared space.
>But there's renovation in China as there in America. Perhaps someone
>will remember the humble man on a bike or foot. Or perhaps the humble
>man is no more. There are just winners and losers.
There is what you don't see.
There it goes. Here it is.
Perhaps one say you'll see
and then you won't be blind
to everything you don't see.
thumper bug
Nov 14, 2012, 9:09:04 PM11/14/12
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TibetanMonkey
>"People who litter" deserve some punishment, don't they? They could be
>thrown in jail in NYC, but I don't know if they enforce it.
Reminds me of a time in Washton State.
Anti-litter sign read fine was $25
or some nominal amount.
My friend said that was ridiculous.
I said, in response, they should execute them.
He got a little pissed off at my hyperbole.
I figure, wtf.
The wages of falling short, of missing the eye
of the bull, are the same as eating the fruit of
the knowledge of good and bad. Death.
- pick your poisson
>"People who litter" deserve some punishment, don't they? They could be
>thrown in jail in NYC, but I don't know if they enforce it.
Anti-litter sign read fine was $25
or some nominal amount.
My friend said that was ridiculous.
I said, in response, they should execute them.
He got a little pissed off at my hyperbole.
I figure, wtf.
The wages of falling short, of missing the eye
of the bull, are the same as eating the fruit of
the knowledge of good and bad. Death.
- pick your poisson
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 10:40:56 PM11/14/12
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Good behavior will NOT be punished anymore and conversely bad behavior
will not be rewarded. I'm thinking of cycling and driving here.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 14, 2012, 10:42:27 PM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
Wow, kids should not be send to war. The warlords in Africa do and are
persecuted for that. I think they are too young to face drivers
without a bazooka.
persecuted for that. I think they are too young to face drivers
without a bazooka.
pi
Nov 15, 2012, 3:16:09 AM11/15/12
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get more stubborn. Unless, OC my Mum JUST asked me, it always worked.
pi
liaM
Nov 15, 2012, 6:08:15 AM11/15/12
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Le 15/11/2012 04:42, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
a gated community just like Patrick McGoohan's Village. Concentrate
instead in educating kids to measure risks and opportunities.
My idea of nirvana on earth is any street in rural India mixing
pedestrians, cars, carts, cows, cycles, coexisting together on
a level playing field. Maybe one day my vision of pullulating and happy
humanity will come about, and it'll look something like present day
India. Check this out:
http://njuice.com/20dollar-aakash-2-android-tablet-announced-for-indian-schools
> On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>> Le 14/11/2012 22:52, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
>>
>>
>>
>>>> And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
>>>> only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
>>>> their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
>>>> driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
>>
>>> That's another model different from the Dutch? They practice
>>> segregation but even kids feel safe riding. Would you mix kids and
>>> cars on the same road?
>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>
>> Of course I do and I have. Do you want your kids to be cowed and fearful?
>>
>> They need to learn to be alive to what's happening on the road,
>> weave and duck, stand up to bullies, learn the power they have over
>> drivers and all other threats.
>>
>> What power, you ask?
>>
>> The power of their minds over matter, whether on roads full of perils
>> or over governments who want to send them to wage war.
>
> Wow, kids should not be send to war. The warlords in Africa do and are
> persecuted for that. I think they are too young to face drivers
> without a bazooka.
>
You're fighting the wrong battle. What you'll get with your policies is
>>
>>
>>>> And making sure not to segregate cars and bikes on the road is the
>>>> only way to go. Mixing them all together is the only way to raise
>>>> their attention and starting them to driving smart (rather than
>>>> driving listening to mp3s and dreaming about their next fast-food break)
>>
>>> That's another model different from the Dutch? They practice
>>> segregation but even kids feel safe riding. Would you mix kids and
>>> cars on the same road?
>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>
>> Of course I do and I have. Do you want your kids to be cowed and fearful?
>>
>> They need to learn to be alive to what's happening on the road,
>> weave and duck, stand up to bullies, learn the power they have over
>> drivers and all other threats.
>>
>> What power, you ask?
>>
>> The power of their minds over matter, whether on roads full of perils
>> or over governments who want to send them to wage war.
>
> Wow, kids should not be send to war. The warlords in Africa do and are
> persecuted for that. I think they are too young to face drivers
> without a bazooka.
>
a gated community just like Patrick McGoohan's Village. Concentrate
instead in educating kids to measure risks and opportunities.
My idea of nirvana on earth is any street in rural India mixing
pedestrians, cars, carts, cows, cycles, coexisting together on
a level playing field. Maybe one day my vision of pullulating and happy
humanity will come about, and it'll look something like present day
India. Check this out:
http://njuice.com/20dollar-aakash-2-android-tablet-announced-for-indian-schools
half rotten
Nov 15, 2012, 9:08:42 AM11/15/12
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pi <pi6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>With permission, does a corrupt society have bad laws or does it have
>good laws which its citizens don't obey?
>
>This has puzzled me for a long time now.
A completely corrupt society
>With permission, does a corrupt society have bad laws or does it have
>good laws which its citizens don't obey?
>
>This has puzzled me for a long time now.
probably would not exist.
It'd fall totally apart
and be not.
A partially corrupt society
probably would have laws
which are seen as bad by some
as well as laws seen as good by some
all of which some of its citizens don't obey.
In other words, yes.
Both either/or, and then sum.
>I mean, in reality laws are made by humans and we humans have almost
>no clue. The very laws are usually principally enforced on non-law-
>maker humans which have even less clue.
>Does a non-corrupt society have perfect (utopian) laws with which its
>(utopian) citizens are familiar and which they obey?
and hypothesize to most any size and shape.
A non-corrupt society would have no rot,
things would never deteriorate.
With all due respect, the citizens
would naturally follow all the rules.
That would be perfectly natural.
Oddly m'ore-sew, the rules
would not even need to be stated
much less written down. The citizens
would be so perfectly perfect
they'd naturally be as they are
without following nor being lead.
> Where do you get these laws?
One may imagine them.
>And where do you get infallible automata to obey them?
They're cranked out on little wheels
spinning inside the heads of those who
enjoy yarns and threads of sorts
of those lands.
dpw
Nov 15, 2012, 9:28:33 AM11/15/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
>Let me give you my humble opinion on the subject:
Is there a way to stop you?
>Let me give you my humble opinion on the subject:
>We can say, for example, that most laws that regulate speed in a city
>environment are fair and just. How can we justify that cars
>customarily violate the speed limits and endanger pedestrians?
was to take a survey of all the cars that pass
a couple of counters in a road at some point.
They then take what's called the 80% rule
and apply it to that stretch of road.
Their assumption was, last eye-checkered in on it,
that 80% of drivers actually know how to drive.
So the limit is set at whatever speed the 80% go.
>The solution is rather simple,
Now you are suggesting something else.
> cold and effective as only a machine
>can be: SPEED CAMERAS!
is that situations may change. So a limit is
adjusted accordingly.
When folks were forced to drive 55,
eventually that changed. SPEED CAMERAS
might have been a totalitarian way of enforcement.
If that's your idea of laws and how to rule
then that's how your brain generates ideas.
Prohibition can mean many things
as far as words and laws go.
> However America seems to be that only civilized
>country where such devices are resisted by those who are most
>threatened by their effectiveness. The driver rules.
Speed cameras have also been known to have problems.
http://photoradarscam.com/malfunctions.php
Corruption can mean many things
as far as words go.
>They claim that Big Brother is predatory but the government is elected
>by the people, so they seem to prove my point rather than prove the
>effectiveness of democracy.
that may be a surprise to you.
With good arises bad.
This may or may not be a surprise.
> Perhaps people are just dumb unless they
>have a degree of education and participation.
no matter how much education or how many
degrees or how much participation is involved.
It's the law.
>In the Netherlands it was the people not the elites that brought about
>space for cyclists.
behind and within all things.
Some folks like to clutter up space
with words and buildings and bikes and dogs
and all kinds of unkind, of natural and unnatural,
stuff to fill up space. To take it up.
As if there was no down side.
b.org
Nov 15, 2012, 9:30:50 AM11/15/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
>On Nov 13, 11:46�pm, "when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is
>a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian"
><voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> SAME �SAME ,
>> but �in �different �ways �.
>
>Perhaps we can explain it this way:
You and your dog, perhaps.
>On Nov 13, 11:46�pm, "when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is
>a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian"
><voivodv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> SAME �SAME ,
>> but �in �different �ways �.
>
>Perhaps we can explain it this way:
>Corruption in China is more
>"monumental" while in America is the kind "underground." Though our
>stadiums are monumental too and you can't miss them. But in America
>you don't see big dams or fast trains that actually do something.
How fast is fast? What must trains do?
You will not be assimilated.
{:-])))
Nov 15, 2012, 10:14:18 AM11/15/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
They cost more money than they generate.
Given court-costs, overturning tickets,
and other factors. Cud be.
Maybe. Sum times.
> But can they take a bite while doing
>something actually good?
They probably do good.
They probably do bad.
>It sounds challenging.
Any time one thinks in terms of good,
bad is also in the mix. Things are mixtures
when good and bad are used as ingredients.
It's possible that spam can be good.
At times the spammer has no idea
what groups or people he spams.
Having no idea can be good.
And, at times, knot-sew.
> mortx wrote:
>
>> you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
>>
>> O:-)
>
>By implementing SPEED CAMERAS, local politicians can dispose of plenty
>of cash without raising taxes.
I seem to recall that they aren't cost effective.
>
>> you might wanna hush about testing all voters and keep it to being a flexitax thing. until youre in charge.
>>
>> O:-)
>
>By implementing SPEED CAMERAS, local politicians can dispose of plenty
>of cash without raising taxes.
They cost more money than they generate.
Given court-costs, overturning tickets,
and other factors. Cud be.
Maybe. Sum times.
> But can they take a bite while doing
>something actually good?
They probably do bad.
>It sounds challenging.
Any time one thinks in terms of good,
bad is also in the mix. Things are mixtures
when good and bad are used as ingredients.
It's possible that spam can be good.
At times the spammer has no idea
what groups or people he spams.
Having no idea can be good.
And, at times, knot-sew.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 15, 2012, 10:15:52 AM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 6:19 am, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> http://njuice.com/20dollar-aakash-2-android-tablet-announced-for-indi...
That's good, very good. The tablet will be like Mao's Red Book, but
you can read whatever you want --except Facebook, of course.
Anyway, you get me wrong. I'm proposing mixing all sorts of
transportation on roads, not because it's ideal or democratic, just
because it won't happen any other way in places where corruption is
high and concern for cyclists is low. Around here we get dozens of
bike lanes that are not connected, and that's more about corruption
than practicality. I PROPOSE THAT THE RIGHT LANE IS OPEN TO ALL SORTS
OF VEHICLES, FROM BIKES TO SMALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE DONKEY --
just like Jesus did.
But that takes a revolution to accomplish --a revolution I humbly
propose.
> Le 15/11/2012 04:42, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a écrit :
>
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> > On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
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> > On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
That's good, very good. The tablet will be like Mao's Red Book, but
you can read whatever you want --except Facebook, of course.
Anyway, you get me wrong. I'm proposing mixing all sorts of
transportation on roads, not because it's ideal or democratic, just
because it won't happen any other way in places where corruption is
high and concern for cyclists is low. Around here we get dozens of
bike lanes that are not connected, and that's more about corruption
than practicality. I PROPOSE THAT THE RIGHT LANE IS OPEN TO ALL SORTS
OF VEHICLES, FROM BIKES TO SMALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE DONKEY --
just like Jesus did.
But that takes a revolution to accomplish --a revolution I humbly
propose.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 15, 2012, 10:27:44 AM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 9:08 am, half rotten <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
for the poor.
It may suck up the blood of the people until they tire and open the
gates to the Barbarians.
> pi <pi65...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >With permission, does a corrupt society have bad laws or does it have
> >good laws which its citizens don't obey?
>
> >This has puzzled me for a long time now.
>
> A completely corrupt society
> probably would not exist.
> It'd fall totally apart
> and be not.
>
> A partially corrupt society
> probably would have laws
> which are seen as bad by some
> as well as laws seen as good by some
> all of which some of its citizens don't obey.
A partially corrupt society will be be good for the rich and very bad
> >With permission, does a corrupt society have bad laws or does it have
> >good laws which its citizens don't obey?
>
> >This has puzzled me for a long time now.
>
> A completely corrupt society
> probably would not exist.
> It'd fall totally apart
> and be not.
>
> A partially corrupt society
> probably would have laws
> which are seen as bad by some
> as well as laws seen as good by some
> all of which some of its citizens don't obey.
for the poor.
It may suck up the blood of the people until they tire and open the
gates to the Barbarians.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 15, 2012, 10:40:23 AM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 9:28 am, dpw <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >Let me give you my humble opinion on the subject:
>
> Is there a way to stop you?
>
> >We can say, for example, that most laws that regulate speed in a city
> >environment are fair and just. How can we justify that cars
> >customarily violate the speed limits and endanger pedestrians?
>
> The way Los Angeles County did it
> was to take a survey of all the cars that pass
> a couple of counters in a road at some point.
>
> They then take what's called the 80% rule
> and apply it to that stretch of road.
>
> Their assumption was, last eye-checkered in on it,
> that 80% of drivers actually know how to drive.
>
> So the limit is set at whatever speed the 80% go.
Sorry, but you are talking to a man of high wisdom and fast Internet
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >Let me give you my humble opinion on the subject:
>
> Is there a way to stop you?
>
> >We can say, for example, that most laws that regulate speed in a city
> >environment are fair and just. How can we justify that cars
> >customarily violate the speed limits and endanger pedestrians?
>
> The way Los Angeles County did it
> was to take a survey of all the cars that pass
> a couple of counters in a road at some point.
>
> They then take what's called the 80% rule
> and apply it to that stretch of road.
>
> Their assumption was, last eye-checkered in on it,
> that 80% of drivers actually know how to drive.
>
> So the limit is set at whatever speed the 80% go.
connections. See for yourself how complicated it is...
http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/szn/determining_the_85th_percentile_speed.htm
Instead we will make it SIMPLE. They'll go at the speed that don't
kill people and don't intimidate people. Mind you, they are already
using a random low speed limit (20mph) through affluent communities
around here. It's the poor that are left without protection.
We can make the right lane have 20mph limit and the others have 30 or
35mph. And that's plenty. In the fight of good vs evil it's the driver
that does the most evil.
Ned Ludd
Nov 15, 2012, 12:18:06 PM11/15/12
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> Le 15/11/2012 04:42, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a écrit
> :
>> On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>>> Le 14/11/2012 22:52, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a
>>> écrit :
>> On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>>> Le 14/11/2012 22:52, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a
Ned
'Pullulate' huh? What a horrid little word!
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 15, 2012, 3:16:02 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 12:18 pm, "Ned Ludd" <nedl...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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> > Le 15/11/2012 04:42, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a crit
> "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
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> >> On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> >>> Le 14/11/2012 22:52, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a
> >> On Nov 14, 6:24 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> >>> Le 14/11/2012 22:52, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a
>
> Wow. Our drones ought to scatter those all over the 3rd world.
>
> Ned
>
> 'Pullulate' huh? What a horrid little word!
I think it's a neat word: POLLUTE + POPULATE = PULLULATE.
> Wow. Our drones ought to scatter those all over the 3rd world.
>
> Ned
>
> 'Pullulate' huh? What a horrid little word!
I just saw this crime episode of "Numbers," and it makes a lot of
sense. But people are not rational in a mathematical sense. They think
any population control is wrong and they ignore that it doesn't add
up. Add pollution and we have a problem with the equation.
But I know this is kind of deep.
liaM
Nov 15, 2012, 3:31:00 PM11/15/12
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Le 15/11/2012 21:16, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
Pollution is a matter of point of view, of the scummy, sometimes smelly
cream that is found inside people's navels, for example, pollution
for some. For the happy few, researchers in microbiology, it's a
exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some extremely
rare, whose benefits to the human whose navel it is, is only now
beginning to be studied and understood. What has this to do with cancer
and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
Just like how I measure health in the social body of humanity.
Why is it I feel safer, healthier, more active and alive, when
cycling in dangerous byways, weaving, asserting mastery, jumping over
sidewalks? Why is it I am happiest upon leaving my front door,
to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in caf�s and
streets like bacteria in a human navel?
cream that is found inside people's navels, for example, pollution
for some. For the happy few, researchers in microbiology, it's a
exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some extremely
rare, whose benefits to the human whose navel it is, is only now
beginning to be studied and understood. What has this to do with cancer
and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
Just like how I measure health in the social body of humanity.
Why is it I feel safer, healthier, more active and alive, when
cycling in dangerous byways, weaving, asserting mastery, jumping over
sidewalks? Why is it I am happiest upon leaving my front door,
to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in caf�s and
streets like bacteria in a human navel?
liaM
Nov 15, 2012, 3:35:31 PM11/15/12
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Le 15/11/2012 21:16, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
Pollution is a matter of point of view, of the scummy sometimes smelly
cream that is found inside people's navels for example, considered
pollution by most. But for the happy few, researchers in microbiology,
it's an exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some
extremely rare, whose benefits to the mankind is only now beginning to
cream that is found inside people's navels for example, considered
pollution by most. But for the happy few, researchers in microbiology,
it's an exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some
extremely rare, whose benefits to the mankind is only now beginning to
be studied and understood. What has this to do with cancer
and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
Just as how I evaluate health in the social body of humanity.
and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 15, 2012, 6:05:01 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 3:46 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in cafés and
jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
society? Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
I rest my case.
> streets like bacteria in a human navel?
Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
society? Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
I rest my case.
pi
Nov 15, 2012, 7:09:16 PM11/15/12
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half rotten wrote:
Perfect. Thank you :)
pi
P.S. Figment land :)
https://www.coursera.org/course/mythology
"This course will focus on the myths of ancient Greece and Rome, as a
way of exploring the nature of myth and the function it plays for
individuals, societies, and nations."
pi
P.S. Figment land :)
https://www.coursera.org/course/mythology
"This course will focus on the myths of ancient Greece and Rome, as a
way of exploring the nature of myth and the function it plays for
individuals, societies, and nations."
liaM
Nov 15, 2012, 7:06:47 PM11/15/12
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Le 16/11/2012 00:05, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
>> to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in caf�s and
> On Nov 15, 3:46 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
>> Le 15/11/2012 21:16, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a �crit :
>> streets like bacteria in a human navel?
>
> Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
> jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
> society? Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
>
> But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
>
> I rest my case.
>
Case adjourned.
>
> Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
> jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
> society? Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
>
> But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
>
> I rest my case.
>
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 15, 2012, 10:24:44 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 7:17 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> >> to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in cafés and
easy around here:
(I quote --somewhere in America)
Those of us who like to go outside once in a while, or more often, for
a long walk, or bicycle ride, in the sunshine and free air, perhaps to
have a long think or just to relax, face increasing doubts about our
habits, bordering on outright hostility toward the very notion of
"going outdoors."
http://onespeedgo.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-go-outside-why-ponder.html
***
So we must sit on our ass and wait for disease and death.
But this is a comforting thought:
(I quote)
I've noticed that the more I ride in traffic, the more comfortable I
get being very close to cars. It's probably a mistake, I know it, but
so far so good.
> Le 16/11/2012 00:05, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher a écrit :
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> > On Nov 15, 3:46 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
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> > On Nov 15, 3:46 pm, liaM <cud...@mindless.com> wrote:
> >> streets like bacteria in a human navel?
>
> > Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
> > jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
> > society? Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
>
> > But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
>
> > I rest my case.
>
> Case adjourned.
I have a gut feeling that the subject is guilty, but prevention is not
>
> > Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
> > jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
> > society? Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
>
> > But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
>
> > I rest my case.
>
> Case adjourned.
easy around here:
(I quote --somewhere in America)
Those of us who like to go outside once in a while, or more often, for
a long walk, or bicycle ride, in the sunshine and free air, perhaps to
have a long think or just to relax, face increasing doubts about our
habits, bordering on outright hostility toward the very notion of
"going outdoors."
http://onespeedgo.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-go-outside-why-ponder.html
***
So we must sit on our ass and wait for disease and death.
But this is a comforting thought:
(I quote)
I've noticed that the more I ride in traffic, the more comfortable I
get being very close to cars. It's probably a mistake, I know it, but
so far so good.
notacarpooler
Nov 16, 2012, 9:43:04 AM11/16/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
>Anyway, you get me wrong. I'm proposing mixing all sorts of
>transportation on roads, not because it's ideal or democratic, just
>because it won't happen any other way in places where corruption is
>high and concern for cyclists is low.
Money might make right.
>Anyway, you get me wrong. I'm proposing mixing all sorts of
>transportation on roads, not because it's ideal or democratic, just
>because it won't happen any other way in places where corruption is
>high and concern for cyclists is low.
> Around here we get dozens of
>bike lanes that are not connected, and that's more about corruption
>than practicality.
If carpool lanes were eliminated,
everyone would get where they were going faster.
It would be cheaper on gas than sitting idle in traffic.
It would be faster, providing more time in the day
to get where folks are going.
But the current is going in the other direction.
More carpool lanes. And with a Toll.
An Associate of mine used to call them rich-people lanes.
Cuz they're made for people with money
to get where they're going faster.
And to hell with the rest.
> I PROPOSE THAT THE RIGHT LANE IS OPEN TO ALL SORTS
>OF VEHICLES, FROM BIKES TO SMALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE DONKEY --
>just like Jesus did.
>But that takes a revolution to accomplish --a revolution I humbly
>propose.
You will not be assimilated.
You don't have enuf money
nor the rite connections.
Have you thought about moving
to some other planet?
dpw
Nov 16, 2012, 10:34:10 AM11/16/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
The link looks to be the DOT of Texas.
I was talking about LA County. That's in California.
Your state, Florida, might have another method.
>Instead we will make it SIMPLE. They'll go at the speed that don't
>kill people and don't intimidate people.
That would be zero.
Little kids get ran over all the time
when people back out of their driveways.
There is no safe speed.
> Mind you, they are already
>using a random low speed limit (20mph) through affluent communities
>around here. It's the poor that are left without protection.
Poor people aren't necessarily stupid
as you seem to imply by your wanting
to protect them.
Once upon a time
there were two rich people who walked into a building.
You would think one of them would have seen it.
>We can make the right lane have 20mph limit and the others have 30 or
>35mph. And that's plenty. In the fight of good vs evil it's the driver
>that does the most evil.
You can blame the road, the size of the vehicle,
the driver of the vehicle, corruption, climate change,
or anything else you care to blame if you find
some pleasure in the blame game.
You and your dog, apparently cannot make the right
lane have 20mph limit and the others have 30 or 35.
Especially by posting into Usenet groups.
Possibly if you got organized
and petitioned your town council people,
or ran for the council, or got involved in government,
then perhaps you could accomplish your goals.
As it is, you are blowing smoke.
Wasting time. Posting posts in places
where folks are who don't care.
As a troll, you're not all bad.
> dpw wrote:
>> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
>> >Let me give you my humble opinion on the subject:
>>
>> Is there a way to stop you?
>>
>> >We can say, for example, that most laws that regulate speed in a city
>> >environment are fair and just. How can we justify that cars
>> >customarily violate the speed limits and endanger pedestrians?
>>
>> The way Los Angeles County did it
>> was to take a survey of all the cars that pass
>> a couple of counters in a road at some point.
>>
>> They then take what's called the 80% rule
>> and apply it to that stretch of road.
>>
>> Their assumption was, last eye-checkered in on it,
>> that 80% of drivers actually know how to drive.
>>
>> So the limit is set at whatever speed the 80% go.
>
>Sorry, but you are talking to a man of high wisdom and fast Internet
>connections. See for yourself how complicated it is...
>
>http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/szn/determining_the_85th_percentile_speed.htm
It really isn't that complicated.
>> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
>> >Let me give you my humble opinion on the subject:
>>
>> Is there a way to stop you?
>>
>> >We can say, for example, that most laws that regulate speed in a city
>> >environment are fair and just. How can we justify that cars
>> >customarily violate the speed limits and endanger pedestrians?
>>
>> The way Los Angeles County did it
>> was to take a survey of all the cars that pass
>> a couple of counters in a road at some point.
>>
>> They then take what's called the 80% rule
>> and apply it to that stretch of road.
>>
>> Their assumption was, last eye-checkered in on it,
>> that 80% of drivers actually know how to drive.
>>
>> So the limit is set at whatever speed the 80% go.
>
>Sorry, but you are talking to a man of high wisdom and fast Internet
>connections. See for yourself how complicated it is...
>
>http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/szn/determining_the_85th_percentile_speed.htm
The link looks to be the DOT of Texas.
I was talking about LA County. That's in California.
Your state, Florida, might have another method.
>Instead we will make it SIMPLE. They'll go at the speed that don't
>kill people and don't intimidate people.
Little kids get ran over all the time
when people back out of their driveways.
There is no safe speed.
> Mind you, they are already
>using a random low speed limit (20mph) through affluent communities
>around here. It's the poor that are left without protection.
as you seem to imply by your wanting
to protect them.
Once upon a time
there were two rich people who walked into a building.
You would think one of them would have seen it.
>We can make the right lane have 20mph limit and the others have 30 or
>35mph. And that's plenty. In the fight of good vs evil it's the driver
>that does the most evil.
the driver of the vehicle, corruption, climate change,
or anything else you care to blame if you find
some pleasure in the blame game.
You and your dog, apparently cannot make the right
lane have 20mph limit and the others have 30 or 35.
Especially by posting into Usenet groups.
Possibly if you got organized
and petitioned your town council people,
or ran for the council, or got involved in government,
then perhaps you could accomplish your goals.
As it is, you are blowing smoke.
Wasting time. Posting posts in places
where folks are who don't care.
As a troll, you're not all bad.
reader
Nov 16, 2012, 10:44:58 AM11/16/12
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liaM wrote:
>Pollution is a matter of point of view,
I agree. Very true.
>Pollution is a matter of point of view,
Semantics two.
> of the scummy sometimes smelly
>cream that is found inside people's navels for example, considered
>pollution by most. But for the happy few, researchers in microbiology,
>it's an exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some
>extremely rare, whose benefits to the mankind is only now beginning to
>be studied and understood. What has this to do with cancer
>and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
up on a billion oar m'ores.
Each organism a universe.
Some think cancer is bad.
Others see growth as growth.
Exponents may be said to have powers.
>Just as how I evaluate health in the social body of humanity.
>Why is it I feel safer, healthier, more active and alive, when
>cycling in dangerous byways, weaving, asserting mastery, jumping over
>sidewalks?
some of which seams oxymoronic, t'hats
you feel safe due to your accomplished skill.
On a bike, a car, on foot, etc.,
moving faster than slower tends to be safer.
Akin to using a ramp to enter a high speed high way.
The faster the better and safer for the pilot
aswell as all involved.
Moving fast thru traffic, weaving, one is in control.
Holes open up. The Zone appears. Tao.
Life in the Zone can be a blast
blasting one into a quantum realm
out of a lower sphere of influence.
As far as light.
Photon and electrons go.
> Why is it I am happiest upon leaving my front door,
>streets like bacteria in a human navel?
Cuz you're a social animal.
hyperdermic
Nov 16, 2012, 10:51:34 AM11/16/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
>Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
Anti-bio can mean against-life.
Antibiotics tend to kill with collateral affectiveness.
Do away with people and people problems are gone.
Do away with cats and dogs and litter boxes
will no longer be required by your kind.
>But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
Stop making babies and in about 100 years
your planet will begin to cleanse itself
of you and all your droppings
your species leaves
>I rest my case.
> liaM wrote:
>
>> Pollution is a matter of point of view, of the scummy sometimes smelly
>> cream that is found inside people's navels for example, considered
>> pollution by most. But for the happy few, researchers in microbiology,
>> it's an exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some
>> extremely rare, whose benefits to the mankind is only now beginning to
>> be studied and understood. What has this to do with cancer
>> and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
>>
>> Just as how I evaluate health in the social body of humanity.
>> Why is it I feel safer, healthier, more active and alive, when
>> cycling in dangerous byways, weaving, asserting mastery, jumping over
>> sidewalks? Why is it I am happiest upon leaving my front door,
>> to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in cafés and
>> streets like bacteria in a human navel?
>
>Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
>jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
>society?
Nucular powered Reagan.
>
>> Pollution is a matter of point of view, of the scummy sometimes smelly
>> cream that is found inside people's navels for example, considered
>> pollution by most. But for the happy few, researchers in microbiology,
>> it's an exotic jungle of tens of thousand varieties of bacteria, some
>> extremely rare, whose benefits to the mankind is only now beginning to
>> be studied and understood. What has this to do with cancer
>> and other human illnesses? A story waiting to be told..
>>
>> Just as how I evaluate health in the social body of humanity.
>> Why is it I feel safer, healthier, more active and alive, when
>> cycling in dangerous byways, weaving, asserting mastery, jumping over
>> sidewalks? Why is it I am happiest upon leaving my front door,
>> to find myself amidst hundreds of people, pullulating in cafés and
>> streets like bacteria in a human navel?
>
>Yes, and sometimes we must take the antibiotics so feared by the small
>jungle inside us. What's the antibiotics that we can take to clean
>society?
>Anti corruption antibiotic? Anti litter antibiotic?
Antibiotics tend to kill with collateral affectiveness.
Do away with people and people problems are gone.
Do away with cats and dogs and litter boxes
will no longer be required by your kind.
>But what's the best medicine? Prevention!
your planet will begin to cleanse itself
of you and all your droppings
your species leaves
>I rest my case.
walker
Nov 16, 2012, 11:02:24 AM11/16/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
>I have a gut feeling that the subject is guilty, but prevention is not
>easy around here:
It's an individual act at times.
>I have a gut feeling that the subject is guilty, but prevention is not
>easy around here:
Sometimes groups can get into it.
>(I quote --somewhere in America)
>
>Those of us who like to go outside once in a while, or more often, for
>a long walk, or bicycle ride, in the sunshine and free air, perhaps to
>have a long think or just to relax, face increasing doubts about our
>habits, bordering on outright hostility toward the very notion of
>"going outdoors."
>
>http://onespeedgo.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-go-outside-why-ponder.html
I see trail riders up in the mountains.
To me, they're totally insane.
To them, I'm the crazy barefooter.
Narrow steep drop-offs. Rocky cliffs.
Very exhilerating, demanding attention.
Every step. Each twist can be the last one.
>***
>
>So we must sit on our ass and wait for disease and death.
Danger does not seem to excite you
as it does to liaM in his city, or for trail-riders.
If it was very hot, as it is in Arizona
or wherever the guy who wrote the article is,
you'd probably blame the Sun for ruining
everything that day.
>But this is a comforting thought:
>
>(I quote)
>
>I've noticed that the more I ride in traffic, the more comfortable I
>get being very close to cars. It's probably a mistake, I know it, but
>so far so good.
on the Freeways. It used to trip me out
driving 65 with only inches between the vehicle
I was supposed to be in control of, and the concrete
K-bar to my left. Now I'm okay going 70, 80, or faster.
Skill levels often increase.
Perhaps you are over the hill.
The thrill is gone. And so you feel
as if you are already dead meat.
b.org
Nov 16, 2012, 11:29:48 AM11/16/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
> half rotten wrote:
corruption you have in mind.
There can be many forms of corruption.
>It may suck up the blood of the people until they tire and open the
>gates to the Barbarians.
Poor folks could be partially corrupt.
Probably most every body is.
When one uses a filter of corruption,
corrupt-filters so to speak, to see
and to filter perceptions thru.
> half rotten wrote:
>> pi wrote:
>
>> >With permission, does a corrupt society have bad laws or does it have
>> >good laws which its citizens don't obey?
>>
>> >This has puzzled me for a long time now.
>>
>> A completely corrupt society
>> probably would not exist.
>> It'd fall totally apart
>> and be not.
>>
>> A partially corrupt society
>> probably would have laws
>> which are seen as bad by some
>> as well as laws seen as good by some
>> all of which some of its citizens don't obey.
>
>A partially corrupt society will be be good for the rich and very bad
>for the poor.
If that is the partial
>
>> >With permission, does a corrupt society have bad laws or does it have
>> >good laws which its citizens don't obey?
>>
>> >This has puzzled me for a long time now.
>>
>> A completely corrupt society
>> probably would not exist.
>> It'd fall totally apart
>> and be not.
>>
>> A partially corrupt society
>> probably would have laws
>> which are seen as bad by some
>> as well as laws seen as good by some
>> all of which some of its citizens don't obey.
>
>A partially corrupt society will be be good for the rich and very bad
>for the poor.
corruption you have in mind.
There can be many forms of corruption.
>It may suck up the blood of the people until they tire and open the
>gates to the Barbarians.
Probably most every body is.
When one uses a filter of corruption,
corrupt-filters so to speak, to see
and to filter perceptions thru.
b.org
Nov 16, 2012, 11:37:21 AM11/16/12
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pi wrote:
>half rotten wrote:
>half rotten wrote:
m'ore than welcome.
Tis m'eye pleasure.
>pi
>
>P.S. Figment land :)
>
>https://www.coursera.org/course/mythology
>
>"This course will focus on the myths of ancient Greece and Rome, as a
>way of exploring the nature of myth and the function it plays for
>individuals, societies, and nations."
of the Monkey-poster-child-dude man,
he appears to me to be a Flat-lander.
He seams to have landed in Florida
and has no real mountains to climb.
No trails to ride in the hills.
He does not appear to be able to conceive
of a sphere, nor other such dimensionals,
figuratively, sew two-speak.
He can't seem to find any paths
to suit his particular warp and weft.
Tho they in all probability exist,
he wouldn't drive to them to ride on them.
Not even for an hour, much less a day.
He does not appear to be able
to accept the things he cannot change, today.
Nor have the courage to attempt what he might
be able to change, today. Nor even the wisdom, today
to know the difference between t'hems
of the cloth he's cut out of.
He will not be assimilated.
pi
Nov 16, 2012, 12:02:00 PM11/16/12
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pi
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 16, 2012, 12:48:11 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 15, 10:24 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
An observation on robotic behavior:
"Ultimately, sooner than we dream-dread, robots will be able to handle
those last few irritating reasons for having to venture beyond the
home pod."
The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
"Long languorous attention is good. Long languorous rides are good. An
arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control rip down a
rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs is
good, especially if it's 110F. And a good book recommended by a
dedicated librarian is the best. I mention these because in a few
years, when no one goes outside, ever, when even the house robots peek
through a crack in the curtains with trepidation, someone will retweet
this. For old time's sake. Get up. Go outside. Ride."
***
My own thought:
My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
behavior.
It's all about living life and saving the future. The automatic pilot
must be stopped. Spaceship Earth is out of control.
This phrase is brilliant:
"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMmbAWF6bY&feature=related
Are the Chinese listening or they want to become robots themselves???
"Ultimately, sooner than we dream-dread, robots will be able to handle
those last few irritating reasons for having to venture beyond the
home pod."
The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
"Long languorous attention is good. Long languorous rides are good. An
arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control rip down a
rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs is
good, especially if it's 110F. And a good book recommended by a
dedicated librarian is the best. I mention these because in a few
years, when no one goes outside, ever, when even the house robots peek
through a crack in the curtains with trepidation, someone will retweet
this. For old time's sake. Get up. Go outside. Ride."
***
My own thought:
My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
behavior.
It's all about living life and saving the future. The automatic pilot
must be stopped. Spaceship Earth is out of control.
This phrase is brilliant:
"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMmbAWF6bY&feature=related
Are the Chinese listening or they want to become robots themselves???
b.org
Nov 16, 2012, 3:02:48 PM11/16/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
Get the rush!
Mountain Dew rules!
>My own thought:
You don't like adrenaline?
You are afraid to feel
that form of excitement?
>My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
>behavior.
Why bother?
The monkey will be afraid,
won't go out the door.
>It's all about living life and saving the future.
The future may unfold itself
with or without wrapping paper.
You appear to be all wrapped up
in the trappings, the strings of the
puppet shows to go ya.
The present unfolds itself all by itself.
Knowing the gift of adrenaline
may afford one a luxury of riding
in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
and down streets for the hell of it.
That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
Some people love to blame people.
People are what's wrong, they may say.
If you go where there are no people
who would you have to blame?
You may as well
stay inside your cage-pod,
free to blame as you see fits
your train of thoughts all boxed
up in little cars on your narrow tracks
gauged to your own ability to reason.
http://www.peapods.com/prodimg/nuch_figure8.jpg
> The automatic pilot
>must be stopped. Spaceship Earth is out of control.
In your head, this appears to be true.
Your reality seams to be spinning.
Under its big top
tent without control within
your grasping.
>This phrase is brilliant:
>
>"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
Then why don't you go out and ride?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMmbAWF6bY&feature=related
>
>Are the Chinese listening or they want to become robots themselves???
I have no idea why either way
or for some other reason or reasons.
Have you posted anything in Chinese lately?
Have you spoken Chinese on youtube?
Do you expect the folks in China
to understand your bizarre English?
Hear's right with a parallel shift, below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68XU45lDAh0&feature=related
It is a bit complicated, apparently.
You being all wise and everything tho,
maybe you can figure it out.
Metaphorically,
resistance tends to be futile.
You may adapt, or perish
the thoughts that have you
or they will continue to halve you
since you continue to halve them
such as you do.
You may also choose, if you are able,
to keep in mind what groups you are
posting into. If so, you will not be as confused
as you appear to be as your present unfolds.
You remind me of a guy in a Chuang-tzu story
who went to a far off land selling ceremonial hats.
He couldn't figure out why they didn't sell.
Someone likened it to trying to sell
rain-buckets in a place where it never rains.
Dogs love to bark.
Some bark up trees.
Some bark up trees
that are said to be wrong.
How can a tree
have the wrong bark?
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>
>"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
>The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>
>rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
> is good, especially if it's 110F. ... Get up. Go outside. Ride."
Get the rush!
Mountain Dew rules!
>My own thought:
You don't like adrenaline?
You are afraid to feel
that form of excitement?
>My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
>behavior.
The monkey will be afraid,
won't go out the door.
>It's all about living life and saving the future.
with or without wrapping paper.
You appear to be all wrapped up
in the trappings, the strings of the
puppet shows to go ya.
The present unfolds itself all by itself.
Knowing the gift of adrenaline
may afford one a luxury of riding
in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
and down streets for the hell of it.
That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
Some people love to blame people.
People are what's wrong, they may say.
If you go where there are no people
who would you have to blame?
You may as well
stay inside your cage-pod,
free to blame as you see fits
your train of thoughts all boxed
up in little cars on your narrow tracks
gauged to your own ability to reason.
http://www.peapods.com/prodimg/nuch_figure8.jpg
> The automatic pilot
>must be stopped. Spaceship Earth is out of control.
Your reality seams to be spinning.
Under its big top
tent without control within
your grasping.
>This phrase is brilliant:
>
>"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMmbAWF6bY&feature=related
>
>Are the Chinese listening or they want to become robots themselves???
or for some other reason or reasons.
Have you posted anything in Chinese lately?
Have you spoken Chinese on youtube?
Do you expect the folks in China
to understand your bizarre English?
Hear's right with a parallel shift, below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68XU45lDAh0&feature=related
It is a bit complicated, apparently.
You being all wise and everything tho,
maybe you can figure it out.
Metaphorically,
resistance tends to be futile.
You may adapt, or perish
the thoughts that have you
or they will continue to halve you
since you continue to halve them
such as you do.
You may also choose, if you are able,
to keep in mind what groups you are
posting into. If so, you will not be as confused
as you appear to be as your present unfolds.
You remind me of a guy in a Chuang-tzu story
who went to a far off land selling ceremonial hats.
He couldn't figure out why they didn't sell.
Someone likened it to trying to sell
rain-buckets in a place where it never rains.
Dogs love to bark.
Some bark up trees.
Some bark up trees
that are said to be wrong.
How can a tree
have the wrong bark?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 16, 2012, 10:50:14 PM11/16/12
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On Nov 16, 3:03 pm, b.org <c...@root.net> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
they try to drag down to the rat race. They figure if they are unhappy
you must be as well. And you may be tempted to hate humanity.
But it's only the idiots, of course.
>
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMmbAWF6bY&feature=related
>
> >Are the Chinese listening or they want to become robots themselves???
>
Chinese manuals.
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>
> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>
> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>
> Get the rush!
> Mountain Dew rules!
>
> >My own thought:
>
> You don't like adrenaline?
>
> You are afraid to feel
> that form of excitement?
>
>
> Get the rush!
> Mountain Dew rules!
>
> >My own thought:
>
> You don't like adrenaline?
>
> You are afraid to feel
> that form of excitement?
>
> >My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
> >behavior.
>
> >behavior.
>
> Why bother?
>
> The monkey will be afraid,
> won't go out the door.
>
>
> The monkey will be afraid,
> won't go out the door.
>
> >It's all about living life and saving the future.
>
>
> The future may unfold itself
> with or without wrapping paper.
>
> You appear to be all wrapped up
> in the trappings, the strings of the
> puppet shows to go ya.
>
> The present unfolds itself all by itself.
>
> Knowing the gift of adrenaline
> may afford one a luxury of riding
> in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
> and down streets for the hell of it.
>
> That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
> could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
> to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
>
> Some people love to blame people.
> People are what's wrong, they may say.
>
> If you go where there are no people
> who would you have to blame?
>
> You may as well
> stay inside your cage-pod,
> free to blame as you see fits
> your train of thoughts all boxed
> up in little cars on your narrow tracks
> gauged to your own ability to reason.
>
> http://www.peapods.com/prodimg/nuch_figure8.jpg
>
> with or without wrapping paper.
>
> You appear to be all wrapped up
> in the trappings, the strings of the
> puppet shows to go ya.
>
> The present unfolds itself all by itself.
>
> Knowing the gift of adrenaline
> may afford one a luxury of riding
> in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
> and down streets for the hell of it.
>
> That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
> could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
> to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
>
> Some people love to blame people.
> People are what's wrong, they may say.
>
> If you go where there are no people
> who would you have to blame?
>
> You may as well
> stay inside your cage-pod,
> free to blame as you see fits
> your train of thoughts all boxed
> up in little cars on your narrow tracks
> gauged to your own ability to reason.
>
> http://www.peapods.com/prodimg/nuch_figure8.jpg
>
> > The automatic pilot
> >must be stopped. Spaceship Earth is out of control.
>
> >must be stopped. Spaceship Earth is out of control.
>
> In your head, this appears to be true.
> Your reality seams to be spinning.
>
> Under its big top
> tent without control within
> your grasping.
>
> Your reality seams to be spinning.
>
> Under its big top
> tent without control within
> your grasping.
>
> >This phrase is brilliant:
>
> >"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
>
>
> >"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
>
> Then why don't you go out and ride?
Because more often than not, the "adventure" turns into road rage as
they try to drag down to the rat race. They figure if they are unhappy
you must be as well. And you may be tempted to hate humanity.
But it's only the idiots, of course.
>
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMmbAWF6bY&feature=related
>
> >Are the Chinese listening or they want to become robots themselves???
>
> I have no idea why either way
> or for some other reason or reasons.
>
> Have you posted anything in Chinese lately?
> Have you spoken Chinese on youtube?
>
> Do you expect the folks in China
> to understand your bizarre English?
They may relate to me easier. Bizarre English is what I find in
> or for some other reason or reasons.
>
> Have you posted anything in Chinese lately?
> Have you spoken Chinese on youtube?
>
> Do you expect the folks in China
> to understand your bizarre English?
Chinese manuals.
b.org
Nov 17, 2012, 4:00:31 AM11/17/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
does not try to drag you down
as it heats up the Road.
In your shadow boxing, they
are casting you in their light.
But it is your light, and your box,
and your shadow you are afraid of.
> They figure if they are unhappy
>you must be as well. And you may be tempted to hate humanity.
You figure, in your mind, they.
And you are tempted to hate.
>But it's only the idiots, of course.
Naturally.
>> Do you expect the folks in China
>> to understand your bizarre English?
>
>They may relate to me easier. Bizarre English is what I find in
>Chinese manuals.
Have you read the Chuang-tzu?
> b.org wrote:
>> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
>> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>>
>> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
>> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
>> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... �Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>>
>> Get the rush!
>> Mountain Dew rules!
>>
>> >My own thought:
>>
>> You don't like adrenaline?
>>
>> You are afraid to feel
>> that form of excitement?
> ...
>> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
>> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>>
>> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
>> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
>> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... �Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>>
>> Get the rush!
>> Mountain Dew rules!
>>
>> >My own thought:
>>
>> You don't like adrenaline?
>>
>> You are afraid to feel
>> that form of excitement?
>> >This phrase is brilliant:
>>
>> >"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
>>
>> Then why don't you go out and ride?
>
>Because more often than not, the "adventure" turns into road rage as
>they try to drag down to the rat race.
The Sun
>>
>> >"I don't want to survive. I want to live."
>>
>> Then why don't you go out and ride?
>
>Because more often than not, the "adventure" turns into road rage as
>they try to drag down to the rat race.
does not try to drag you down
as it heats up the Road.
In your shadow boxing, they
are casting you in their light.
But it is your light, and your box,
and your shadow you are afraid of.
> They figure if they are unhappy
>you must be as well. And you may be tempted to hate humanity.
And you are tempted to hate.
>But it's only the idiots, of course.
>> Do you expect the folks in China
>> to understand your bizarre English?
>
>They may relate to me easier. Bizarre English is what I find in
>Chinese manuals.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Nov 22, 2012, 9:57:17 AM11/22/12
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> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>
> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>
> Get the rush!
> Mountain Dew rules!
>
> >My own thought:
>
> You don't like adrenaline?
You --or someone who sounded like you-- said above that those seeking
>
> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>
> Get the rush!
> Mountain Dew rules!
>
> >My own thought:
>
> You don't like adrenaline?
adrenaline rush in trails are looking for death. But you missed the
point entirely. They are seeking for F-U-N. Facing too much danger is
not my thing, but I just want to clarify something you missed
entirely. A barefoot man seem not to have fun at all compared to a
cyclist.
>
> You are afraid to feel
> that form of excitement?
>
> You are afraid to feel
> that form of excitement?
>
> >My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
> >behavior.
>
> Why bother?
>
> The monkey will be afraid,
> won't go out the door.
You see too much waste and depression outside and you tend to avoid
> >behavior.
>
> Why bother?
>
> The monkey will be afraid,
> won't go out the door.
it. It ain't like facing a real lion with a machete. You even have no
machete to fight back. The other day there was a wino that wanted to
attack me and I just had my speed to save me. Yes, the same method
used by gazelles to escape the predator.
> Knowing the gift of adrenaline
> may afford one a luxury of riding
> in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
> and down streets for the hell of it.
>
> That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
> could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
> to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
>
> Some people love to blame people.
> People are what's wrong, they may say.
>
> If you go where there are no people
> who would you have to blame?
you say above. Not people feeding cats, not people walking dogs and
leaving the crap behind.
> Dogs love to bark.
> Some bark up trees.
>
> Some bark up trees
> that are said to be wrong.
>
> How can a tree
> have the wrong bark?
landscaping is the worst enemy of the cyclist. That seems to be the
favorite way to waste money around here. Depressing, totally
depressing.
It's not the tree, but the weed. The tree can never be the enemy of
the human being.
b.org
Nov 22, 2012, 2:16:36 PM11/22/12
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TibetanMonkey wrote:
> But you missed the point entirely.
If it wasn't me,
then maybe I did not miss the point.
> They are seeking for F-U-N.
Via adrenaline. Their fun is a rush.
> Facing too much danger is not my thing,
Which was why I asked if you didn't like adrenaline.
> but I just want to clarify something you missed entirely.
Okay.
> A barefoot man seem not to have fun at all compared to a
>cyclist.
Speaking as both, as for me,
what seems to you to be one thing
might not be that thing to someone else.
Wearing gloves at all times
covering your hands and feet everywhere
might be how you go about your life.
You might get a big kick out of your shoes
or whatever you cover your feet with
so they never feel the ground.
Maybe that's fun for you.
Maybe you're afraid of germs.
As a cyclist, my cycles are many.
Some have the wheel of One.
Some have the wheels of Three.
Some the turnings of 10k.
At times they are dualistic.
Popping a wheelie can be fun.
With or without gloves on the feet.
>> You are afraid to feel
>> that form of excitement?
>>
>> >My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
>> >behavior.
>>
>> Why bother?
>>
>> The monkey will be afraid,
>> won't go out the door.
>
>You see too much waste and depression outside and you tend to avoid
>it. It ain't like facing a real lion with a machete.
Except I don't see
too much waste
nor depression
outside.
I see more of it here, in your cross-posts.
A great waste of time, even if there is also
a great deal of depression in your card tricks.
I don't tend to avoid it.
Maybe when you say you, you mean yourself.
Or perhaps you are generalizaing.
> You even have no
>machete to fight back.
Then you, meaning you, won't go outside.
If you don't like adrenaline
and you see too much waste
and are too depressed, you might try
getting some professional help.
Sometimes medications are effective.
Meditations may affect consciousness as well.
> The other day there was a wino that wanted to
>attack me and I just had my speed to save me.
I can only wonder why a wino
would want to attack you.
Something you said perhaps?
> Yes, the same method
>used by gazelles to escape the predator.
Gazelles don't usually provoke predators.
>> Knowing the gift of adrenaline
>> may afford one a luxury of riding
>> in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
>> and down streets for the hell of it.
>>
>> That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
>> could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
>> to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
>>
>> Some people love to blame people.
>> People are what's wrong, they may say.
>>
>> If you go where there are no people
>> who would you have to blame?
>
>I blame the city sprawl for having no people.
That sentence does not make sense to me.
Sounds like an oxymoron.
> We are social animals as
>you say above. Not people feeding cats, not people walking dogs and
>leaving the crap behind.
Why not go where there are places to ride
so you don't need to ride in traffic
and piss off winos who chase you?
If you did go somewhere to ride,
where there were no people, who or what
would you blame for your problems?
>> Dogs love to bark.
>> Some bark up trees.
>>
>> Some bark up trees
>> that are said to be wrong.
>>
>> How can a tree
>> have the wrong bark?
>
>They love to pee at every tree too.
Perhaps your dog and his toys do.
> And then you remember that
>landscaping is the worst enemy of the cyclist.
What if you were out riding
where the trails were not landscaped?
What would you blame your then?
Who would your enemy be?
If none existed, would you invent one?
It's all in your mind, sew sum say.
> That seems to be the
>favorite way to waste money around here. Depressing, totally
>depressing.
Then why not go elsewhere?
Why stay and be depressed?
Are you trapped in your cage?
Or do you take it with you?
>It's not the tree, but the weed. The tree can never be the enemy of
>the human being.
Maybe if you didn't smoke the weed.
> b.org wrote:
>> TibetanMonkeywrote:
>> >TibetanMonkeywrote:
>> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>>
>> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
>> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
>> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>>
>> Get the rush!
>> Mountain Dew rules!
>>
>> >My own thought:
>>
>> You don't like adrenaline?
>
>You --or someone who sounded like you-- said above that those seeking
>adrenaline rush in trails are looking for death.
That was not me.
>> TibetanMonkeywrote:
>> >TibetanMonkeywrote:
>> >The article closes with this futuristic assessment:
>>
>> >"... An arduous hike up a barren rock is good. An out-of-control
>> >rip down a rocky twisting singletrack trail with cactus ripping at your legs
>> > is good, especially if it's 110F. ... Get up. Go outside. Ride."
>>
>> Get the rush!
>> Mountain Dew rules!
>>
>> >My own thought:
>>
>> You don't like adrenaline?
>
>You --or someone who sounded like you-- said above that those seeking
>adrenaline rush in trails are looking for death.
> But you missed the point entirely.
then maybe I did not miss the point.
> They are seeking for F-U-N.
> Facing too much danger is not my thing,
> but I just want to clarify something you missed entirely.
> A barefoot man seem not to have fun at all compared to a
>cyclist.
what seems to you to be one thing
might not be that thing to someone else.
Wearing gloves at all times
covering your hands and feet everywhere
might be how you go about your life.
You might get a big kick out of your shoes
or whatever you cover your feet with
so they never feel the ground.
Maybe that's fun for you.
Maybe you're afraid of germs.
As a cyclist, my cycles are many.
Some have the wheel of One.
Some have the wheels of Three.
Some the turnings of 10k.
At times they are dualistic.
Popping a wheelie can be fun.
With or without gloves on the feet.
>> You are afraid to feel
>> that form of excitement?
>>
>> >My campaign "Monkey out of the Cage!" makes sense in an era of robotic
>> >behavior.
>>
>> Why bother?
>>
>> The monkey will be afraid,
>> won't go out the door.
>
>You see too much waste and depression outside and you tend to avoid
>it. It ain't like facing a real lion with a machete.
too much waste
nor depression
outside.
I see more of it here, in your cross-posts.
A great waste of time, even if there is also
a great deal of depression in your card tricks.
I don't tend to avoid it.
Maybe when you say you, you mean yourself.
Or perhaps you are generalizaing.
> You even have no
>machete to fight back.
If you don't like adrenaline
and you see too much waste
and are too depressed, you might try
getting some professional help.
Sometimes medications are effective.
Meditations may affect consciousness as well.
> The other day there was a wino that wanted to
>attack me and I just had my speed to save me.
would want to attack you.
Something you said perhaps?
> Yes, the same method
>used by gazelles to escape the predator.
>> Knowing the gift of adrenaline
>> may afford one a luxury of riding
>> in totally hair-b'all traffic. Jamming up
>> and down streets for the hell of it.
>>
>> That's what liaM and the Arizona rider
>> could have left crumbs of, if you have a mind
>> to go for the adrenaline rush a round.
>>
>> Some people love to blame people.
>> People are what's wrong, they may say.
>>
>> If you go where there are no people
>> who would you have to blame?
>
>I blame the city sprawl for having no people.
Sounds like an oxymoron.
> We are social animals as
>you say above. Not people feeding cats, not people walking dogs and
>leaving the crap behind.
so you don't need to ride in traffic
and piss off winos who chase you?
If you did go somewhere to ride,
where there were no people, who or what
would you blame for your problems?
>> Dogs love to bark.
>> Some bark up trees.
>>
>> Some bark up trees
>> that are said to be wrong.
>>
>> How can a tree
>> have the wrong bark?
>
>They love to pee at every tree too.
> And then you remember that
>landscaping is the worst enemy of the cyclist.
where the trails were not landscaped?
What would you blame your then?
Who would your enemy be?
If none existed, would you invent one?
It's all in your mind, sew sum say.
> That seems to be the
>favorite way to waste money around here. Depressing, totally
>depressing.
Why stay and be depressed?
Are you trapped in your cage?
Or do you take it with you?
>It's not the tree, but the weed. The tree can never be the enemy of
>the human being.
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