If you haven't heard...

[Sanford Manley]

MAJOR catastrophe in Oklahoma just south of Oklahoma
City. Seventy-five children and teachers MISSING in a destroyed
school. HUNDREDS of homes destroyed and damaged. Pray...VERY BAD.
--
Sanford

[Kitty P]

"Sanford Manley" <ans...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kne7de$1q8$1...@dont-email.me...

I just heard that there were 2 dozen third graders that they are trying to
recover rather than rescue. I don't normally do this, but I just had a
great big rum and diet coke.

Kitty

[Sanford Manley]

One teacher threw herself on top of some third graders and they were
unhurt. She was seriously injured. I can think of no terror worse than
being a teacher of small children in that situation.

Years back, when my nephew was still very young I was watching my nephew
when he was sick with some sort of bronchitis. He suddenly seemed to be
in a great deal of pain and started to cry. I called my brother and he
told me to take him to the ER. On the car ride, he started to cry and
said he couldn't breathe. Once we got to the ER, he seemed better and
they examined him. My brother and sister-in-law arrived very quickly and
when the doctor came in he looked at my nephew and said he would be
alright. Then he looked at me and said, "What's wrong with him." I must
have been as pale as a sheet. In the car, I was simply beside myself. I
felt that if the worst happened and my nephew died that I would ALWAYS
BE BLAMED because I was watching him. My Mother was like that. It would
have been MY FAULT.

You take it easy, Kitty.


--
Sanford

[noname]

Is your having a great big rum and diet coke going to make the dead kids
come back to life?

[Julian]

It's just as efficacious as Sanfords prayers.

[Lee Rudolph]

Julian <Julia...@gmail.com> writes:

>On 21/05/2013 11:07, noname wrote:
>> On 05/20/2013 05:52 PM, Kitty P wrote:

...

>>>> school. HUNDREDS of homes destroyed and damaged. Pray...VERY BAD.
>>>> --
>>>> Sanford
>>>
>>> I just heard that there were 2 dozen third graders that they are
>>> trying to
>>> recover rather than rescue. I don't normally do this, but I just had a
>>> great big rum and diet coke.
>>>
>>> Kitty
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is your having a great big rum and diet coke going to make the dead kids
>> come back to life?
>
>It's just as efficacious as Sanfords prayers.

Now, that's an interesting point. As you doubtless know,
the statistician (and pioneering biometrician) Francis
Galton studied the efficacy of intercessory prayer--and
found it wanting--by analyzing the (as he showed, non-
existent) effects on the health and life-spans of English
monarchs of the prayers offered on their behalves by the
English people at prayer.

But I am not aware of any such study of the efficacy
of drinking for the health of others (with or without
the formality of a toast). Clearly further study is
needed.

Who wants to write the grant proposal?

Lee Rudolph

[awaken21]

Why the hostility towards fairly innocuous coping methods? A little peace of mind and perhaps numbness, is really too much to ask in the face of horrifying events?

[Ned Ludd]

"Lee Rudolph" <lrud...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:knfok9$g4j$1...@reader1.panix.com...

I'd participate in that study. (But I'm a lousy grant-proposal
writer.) Also, I'd like to see some studies on the efficacy of
malediction, curses, voodoo and black magic.

Ned

[Kitty P]

"Lee Rudolph" <lrud...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:knfok9$g4j$1...@reader1.panix.com...

Me me!

[Kitty P]

"awaken21" <lukec...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed3dbcf6-e31b-4936...@googlegroups.com...

A few of my close friends are recovering alcoholics/addicts and say stuff
like that to and at people all the time. It's politically correct in their
world. Since they know me and my habits, they've never said it to me though.
Perhaps we just learned a little more about noname.

[noname]

Well, yeah, probably more enjoyable too... except for the "diet coke"
thing, them diet drinks is bad fur ya, I'd say that if you think you
want a rum and diet coke because of something sad, you should mix it
with real coke, skip the coke altogether and just drink run (yum!), or
forget the whole thing and just pray (and while you're at it pray that
you'll come to your senses and stop praying).

curmudgeons-r-us

[noname]

I was going to volunteer for just the drinking part until I remembered
that in earlier years I drank so much 100+ proof bourbon that now my
stomach rebels after more than about half a beer.

> Also, I'd like to see some studies on the efficacy of
> malediction, curses, voodoo and black magic.

What, are you volunteering to be a target? Is
Mafia-assisted-malediction allowable, and what's your address? <g>

[noname]

Luke the avoider attempts to succor denial.

[noname]

Like what, that I don't believe in praying for the dead, or using drugs
to run away? Drugs are for running toward awareness rather than away
from it, and the dead are beyond our reach. You already knew about my
being an asshole so that's certainly not news.

If you really want to help those suffering in OK, grab a pair of gloves
and a shovel and catch a plane, or write a check to United Way or
whatever organization has boots on the ground there, but just spewing
some mourning in public isn't going to make anyone worth being concerned
about think better or worse of you, though it will provide people with
an area in which they can attempt to "correct your practice".

Personally I don't care one way or the other about the events in OK,
because I'm a hard-hearted bastard who has enough on his plate already;
if injured people show up on my doorstep I'll either do what I can to
help, or kick them for annoying me, but what happens in OK or within the
arctic circle or on Mars is of academic interest only and I'm not an
academic. I've read things like "God bless those suffering in OK" in
about a dozen groups this morning and it just about makes me puke
because it's so blindingly stupid... if there's a God, it's Him that did
it, if there isn't there's no point asking for His help, get a clue people.

Think about this Kitty: they needed it and you didn't; if you disagree
with that, explain why it didn't happen to you.

[Kitty P]

"noname" <nom...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:knia5f$jmn$1...@dont-email.me...

> Think about this Kitty: they needed it and you didn't; if you disagree
> with that, explain why it didn't happen to you.

Nobody 'needs' a torturous death. To grieve doesn't necessarily have
anything to do with any broader philosophical, moral, or ethical bla bla
bla. It has to do simply with grieving. I had a wonderful conversation with
an elderly Buddhist monk at a local monastery when he was visiting several
years ago to deal with his grief. He had just lost a wonderful and oldest
friend to death. In a nutshell, he said that sometimes we grieve. To not
care about other people unless they are on your doorstep is your thing and
I'd be the last to denigrate how you get through your own life. I see the
world and my practice a little differently. Why does that matter?

[daletx]

The people I know in recovery would *never* say anything like that
*except* to each other.

Have one for me, Kitty.

DT

[noname]

On 05/22/2013 07:47 AM, Kitty P wrote:
> "noname" <nom...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:knia5f$jmn$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Think about this Kitty: they needed it and you didn't; if you disagree
>> with that, explain why it didn't happen to you.
>
> Nobody 'needs' a torturous death.

Why do you believe that? Do you find it inconceivable that there are
some individuals who must go through great pain in order to find the
peace to welcome death if that is what's before them?

> To grieve doesn't necessarily have
> anything to do with any broader philosophical, moral, or ethical bla bla
> bla. It has to do simply with grieving.

So, what, are you saying that you grieve by drinking rum diet coke?

> I had a wonderful conversation with
> an elderly Buddhist monk at a local monastery when he was visiting several
> years ago to deal with his grief. He had just lost a wonderful and oldest
> friend to death. In a nutshell, he said that sometimes we grieve.

Yes, sometimes we do grieve. Emotions like grief and loneliness and
sadness and even fear or happiness float across our lives like clouds.
Some, it seems, need to attach themselves to such things in order to
feel they have fulfilled their moral obligations, others recognize the
emotions, accept them, and move on.

> To not
> care about other people unless they are on your doorstep is your thing and
> I'd be the last to denigrate how you get through your own life. I see the
> world and my practice a little differently. Why does that matter?

Should I not care whether you see things in a way that causes you pain,
when you are on my virtual doorstep?

You've attempted to pull a Luke and squirm out of answering the
question: why was it them and not you? I'm not asking that just to be
mean, seriously; think about it.

[Kitty P]

"noname" <nom...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message

news:knj2vk$70q$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 05/22/2013 07:47 AM, Kitty P wrote:
>> "noname" <nom...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:knia5f$jmn$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Think about this Kitty: they needed it and you didn't; if you disagree
>>> with that, explain why it didn't happen to you.
>>
>> Nobody 'needs' a torturous death.
>
> Why do you believe that? Do you find it inconceivable that there are some
> individuals who must go through great pain in order to find the peace to
> welcome death if that is what's before them?

No I don't believe that. We live. We die.

>
> You've attempted to pull a Luke and squirm out of answering the question:
> why was it them and not you? I'm not asking that just to be mean,
> seriously; think about it.

The question makes no sense. It will be me one day, just not that day.
Anything else would be a mind game or some religious nonsense.

[noname]

On 05/22/2013 12:44 PM, Kitty P wrote:
> "noname" <nom...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:knj2vk$70q$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 05/22/2013 07:47 AM, Kitty P wrote:
>>> "noname" <nom...@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:knia5f$jmn$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> Think about this Kitty: they needed it and you didn't; if you disagree
>>>> with that, explain why it didn't happen to you.
>>>
>>> Nobody 'needs' a torturous death.
>>
>> Why do you believe that? Do you find it inconceivable that there are some
>> individuals who must go through great pain in order to find the peace to
>> welcome death if that is what's before them?
>
> No I don't believe that. We live. We die.
>
>>
>> You've attempted to pull a Luke and squirm out of answering the question:
>> why was it them and not you? I'm not asking that just to be mean,
>> seriously; think about it.
>
> The question makes no sense. It will be me one day, just not that day.
> Anything else would be a mind game or some religious nonsense.
>
>
>

Your beliefs seem to have placed you in a category called "fucked".
Bummer. So it goes.

[awaken21]

No, that you're a rude prick to people who are already suffering.

[noname]

You just pissed on your foot, stupid.

[x]

i'm not defending or criticizing any party here but it might be an
opportune time to remind people of something i once heard being passed
down from philosopher to philosopher and found valuable..

"just because you're right doesn't mean you're not an asshole." ?

[x]

frustration seems to be one of nonames favourite reasons for posting, it
may have evolved good purpose used as a force but he appears too pained..
he seems to have locked himself up in a tank and lost touch with humans..

i appreciate the presence of those with this quality cos i relate myself
and do not relate with most people, but it does start to get a bit much..

[awaken21]

Just small people hiding behind the media we're using.