Magical Mystery Tour
IamSpncycl
The Secret Lives of Alexandra David-Neel: A Biography of the Explorer of Tibet
and Its Forbidden Practices by Barbara and Michael. (Overlook Press, 1998)
The first European to explore Tibet at a time when foreigners were banned, she
led an astonishing life of adventure and "magic".
"Magical occurrences were frequent in Tibet. Alexandra recorded them as they
happened, often providing a rational explanation for the phenomena. She
speculated that the country was hospitable to these psychic sports because of
its consistently high altitude, the great silence in which it was bathed -
permitting one to hear another's thoughts - and, above all, due to the absence
of cities, crowds, and electric devices. These caused whirlpools of
distracting energy. Then too, Tibetans were placid and open; to them the
spirit world seemed as commonplace as their mountains, steppes, and lakes.
Mystical training was, in the first place, the clearing away of the
distractions of the mind." (p 152)
Alexandra David-Neel wanted to create a tulpa, "a phantom being voluntarily
produced by powerful concentration of thought and the repetition of prescribed
rites. She describes the incident but unfortunately not the process in Magic
and Mystery. She claims to have succeeded, although in a way that frightened
her thoroughly….a tulpa is a temporary phenomenon that is willfully created.
It may take any form whatever but is most often in human shape. These tulpas
coexist with their creator and can be seen simultaneously with him….Ususally,
the tulpa is sent to perform a definite mission. However, once the thought
form is given sufficient life to pass as a real being, it may free itself from
its originators's control. Folklore in Tibet and elsewhere tells tales of the
created being turning on its magician-father and killing him, and we are
reminded of the fictional Dr. Frankenstein…." (Wasn't there an X-Files episode
about this?)
"In his commentary to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, Evans-Wentz wrote that
'mediums in the Occident can, while entranced, automatically and unconsciously
create materializations which are much les palpable than the consciously
produced tulpas by exuding ectoplasm from their own bodies. Similarly, as is
suggested by instances of phantasms of the living reported by psychic research,
a thought-form may be made to emanate from one human mind and be
hallucinatorily perceived by another, although possessed of little or no
palpableness.'"
Apparently, during the winter months when she could not travel about, Alexandra
withdrew into a focused meditation and manufactured "an entity that had not
existed previously…..a fat, innocent, and jolly monk. Through a focused
meditation which lasted for months - somewhat like a prayer that asks for the
intervention of one's yidam or guardian diety - the phantom monk was formed.
His appearance became fixed and lifelike. By then, with the coming of mild
weather, it was time for Alexandra…to roam…The monk tagged along, walking by
her as she rode and stopping as they made camp. Sometimes the illusion rubbed
against her, palpably touching her. Worse, the jolly fellow grew lean and
mean, troublesome looking and acting. The tulpa had escaped the master's
control…..To make matters more complicated, others began to see the fellow and
to speak to him." (p 154-155)
Diane - Still reading
ljmoore
IamSpncycl <iamsp...@aol.com> wrote in message
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created.
> It may take any form whatever but is most often in human shape. These
tulpas
> coexist with their creator and can be seen simultaneously with
> the tulpa is sent to perform a definite mission. However, once the
thought
> form is given sufficient life to pass as a real being, it may free itself
from
> its originators's control. Folklore in Tibet and elsewhere tells tales of
the
> created being turning on its magician-father and killing him, and we are
episode
> about this?)
>
> "In his commentary to the Tibetan Book of the Dead, Evans-Wentz wrote that
> 'mediums in the Occident can, while entranced, automatically and
unconsciously
> create materializations which are much les palpable than the consciously
> produced tulpas by exuding ectoplasm from their own bodies. Similarly, as
is
> suggested by instances of phantasms of the living reported by psychic
research,
> a thought-form may be made to emanate from one human mind and be
> hallucinatorily perceived by another, although possessed of little or no
> palpableness.'"
>
> Apparently, during the winter months when she could not travel about,
Alexandra
> withdrew into a focused meditation and manufactured "an entity that had
not
> meditation which lasted for months - somewhat like a prayer that asks for
the
> intervention of one's yidam or guardian diety - the phantom monk was
formed.
> His appearance became fixed and lifelike. By then, with the coming of
mild
by
> her as she rode and stopping as they made camp. Sometimes the illusion
rubbed
> against her, palpably touching her. Worse, the jolly fellow grew lean and
> mean, troublesome looking and acting. The tulpa had escaped the master's
and
> to speak to him." (p 154-155)
>
> Diane - Still reading
Yes, that was one of the very few X-Files episodes I've ever seen. There
was also an episode where a young Jewish man's form was recreated through
ritual and incantation. The form avenged the man's murder. Let us know
how it goes.........<waiting with eager anticipation>
~L.
Trinlay Khadro
Folklore in Tibet and elsewhere tells tales of the
> created being turning on its magician-father and killing him, and we
are
> reminded of the fictional Dr. Frankenstein…." (Wasn't there an X-
Files episode
> about this?)
If so I missed it, the episode with the Golem (similar motif) resulted
in a run on books on Jewish folklore and Golem stories at the local
libraries. It's been suggested that Frankenstein's creature in Ms.
Shelly's story was inspired by some of the Golem lore.
>
> create materializations which are much les palpable than the
consciously
> produced tulpas by exuding ectoplasm from their own bodies.
For some reason that makes me not so comfy with using Evans-Wentz as
a resource.
> a thought-form may be made to emanate from one human mind and be
> hallucinatorily perceived by another, although possessed of little or
no
> palpableness.'"
>
"Kids! what trouble are you getting into in there?!"
I'm not absolutely sure of how reliable her accounts are in regards to
odd occurances...particularly those she reports as being directly
involved in. But (unlike some others I don't care to mention) she
actually had been to Tibet and generally well regarded there.
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dr...@ecity.net
>
> Linda regarding the tulpa created by Alexandra David-Neel:
>
> >Let us know
> >how it goes.........<waiting with eager anticipation>
>
> You can get the book from your library!!
>
> ;)
>
> Diane- On a Mission!!
> (Read Baby Read!)
You mean that was a book report?
Damn.
Would you be interested in a book report on Microsoft products?
That's all I seem to have time to read any more. ;-(
droll (who has so many unread books she could start a small library.
;--)
IamSpncycl
IamSpncycl
[....]
>I'm not absolutely sure of how reliable her accounts are in regards to
>odd occurances...particularly those she reports as being directly
>involved in. But (unlike some others I don't care to mention) she
>actually had been to Tibet and generally well regarded there.
>
She also wrote of an adept who are sometimes said to fly. She encountered one,
but her trusted retainer warned her to keep her distance; "she musn't stop the
lama or speak to him because it would kill him.....She saw that his face was
perfectly calm and his gaze fixed on an imagined object far, far away. Rather
than run, the lung-gom-pa lifted himself from the ground, proceeding by leaps.
He looked like a rubber ball that bounced each time it touched the ground. He
wore ragged monastic garb. In his right hand he held a phurba (magic dagger)
and appeared to use it as a staff though it was high off the ground.
Lung-gom-pas were expected to continue in their even, ground-devouring stride
for days on end without stopping for food or water.....they were mystics who
had meditated for years in a dark hole. Breathing exercises, chants, and
visualizations were repeated until the adepts were able, from a seated posture,
to leap straight up out of the hole. Another portion of the training consisted
of going about for long periods in heavy irons, so that when the chains were
removed, the practioner felt feathery light...." (p 180)
Diane - Still reading....
ljmoore
I read all the time, Diane! It's just that they're all medical books! My
best friend is an author and it disappoints her terribly that I don't even
read *her* stuff.
~L. (who has not had a library card since moving to Florida)
KJNL
>Would you be interested in a book report on Microsoft products?
>That's all I seem to have time to read any more. ;-(
I've been on a quest to soak up as much rock 'n' roll history as I possibly
can...all I've read for the past month are biographies. Let's see, I've done
Jerry Garcia, Van Morrison (fascinating!), Bob Dylan (read two books and a few
interviews, and I've only just scratched the surface)...I made a brief
digression into the music of Yes...and now I'm starting on Joni Mitchell. I
think Neil Young is going to be next.
Y'all got any reading recommendations?
:-)
janL
janL
-------------------------------------------------
"damn everything but the circus." - ee cummings
PKHarvey
writes:
>Y'all got any reading recommendations?
Yeah. Not actually a biography, but really one of the most fascinating rock
'n' roll history documents I've ever read. It's called "The Complete Beatles
Recording Sessions: The official story of the Abbey Road years" by Mark
Lewiston. Basically it's built around a reprinting of the official engineers'
logs from Abbey Road studio two for all of the Beatles recording sessions
there. It adds some narration, and comments by George Martin and (I recall,
it's been a while) Paul McCartney. It was sitting on my sister-in-law's coffee
table when we were visiting Austin last year, and I read it over the course of
a couple of days. Amazing stuff. Day-by-day, sometimes hour-by-hour record of
the sessions from "Please Please Me" on. The "Sgt. Pepper" stuff was
especially cool, peeking in on the band (and Martin, et al) as they literally
invented an entirely new way of understanding recorded music. Maybe a little
dry, at times, but overall just wonderful. According to Amazon (I just looked)
the book is out of print now, but their site offers a search for it through
used book dealers, etc. My guess is it's got to be available through
libraries, as well.
P.K.
IamSpncycl
[...]
>My guess is it's got to be available through
>libraries, as well.
Yes indeed!
Diane
Chris__Dadds
wrote:
[.....]
>> Diane- On a Mission!!
>> (Read Baby Read!)
>
>
>I read all the time, Diane! It's just that they're all medical books! My
>best friend is an author and it disappoints her terribly that I don't even
>read *her* stuff.
>
>~L. (who has not had a library card since moving to Florida)
>
>
OK That's enough of that young lady!
You take yourself down to the library right now and get a card. Then
use it to check out whatever they have from Tom Robbins. Then make
sure and read it. That's an order.
Chris
(Hey! No guilt involved. You've been *ordered* to goof off. :-)
Ned Ludd
(Chris__Dadds) writes:
>
>>~L. (who has not had a library card since moving to Florida)
>>
>>
> OK That's enough of that young lady!
> You take yourself down to the library right now and get a card. Then
> use it to check out whatever they have from Tom Robbins. Then make
> sure and read it. That's an order.
> Chris
> (Hey! No guilt involved. You've been *ordered* to goof off. :-)
>
Haha. I JUST finished "Jitterbug Perfume", which I found quite
amazing. (And it discusses critically, in passing, Buddhism.)
Plus, I finished it in a week, which is very fast for me, despite
the very unusual verbal stylings of Mr. Robbins. (It's my first,
of his books.)
Ned
dr...@ecity.net
>
> droll:
[...]
> I've been on a quest to soak up as much rock 'n' roll history as I possibly
> can...all I've read for the past month are biographies. Let's see, I've done
> Jerry Garcia, Van Morrison (fascinating!), Bob Dylan (read two books and a few
> interviews, and I've only just scratched the surface)...I made a brief
> digression into the music of Yes...and now I'm starting on Joni Mitchell. I
> think Neil Young is going to be next.
>
>
What was the name of the book on Joni Mitchell? I adore her voice
and music. I've listened to Miles of Aisles so many times and love
when it runs through my head!
droll
As far as suggestions, well, "MSCE Training Guide for Network
Essentials" by New Riders press? ;-)
It's not so bad if you have a computer to practice on. Which I
don't. My PC floppy disk drive bit the dust. However, Best Buy
tells me that it has been shipped. When I asked if they were able
to fix it, she said, "Well, we won't know 'til it gets here." I
have a service contract. Ostensibly, they will replace it if they
couldn't fix it. Well see on maybe Wednesday. They have shipments
arriving on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
dr...@ecity.net
>
> In article <3792990C...@ecity.net>, dr...@ecity.net wrote:
>
> > IamSpncycl wrote:
> > >
> > > Linda regarding the tulpa created by Alexandra David-Neel:
> > >
> > > >Let us know
> > > >how it goes.........<waiting with eager anticipation>
> > >
> > > No way!
> > > You can get the book from your library!!
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > (Read Baby Read!)
> >
> >
> > Damn.
> >
>
>
> "Shit..."
>
> Or, for Win98...
>
> "...it's still shit."
or for Office 2000:
"Bigger and Better shit."
droll
But it's the only game in town that will pay anything. Since I need
money, I'm going to have to work on my marketing attitude a bit....
hmmm...let's see....
I've got it!
If you upgrade to Office 2000, we will include Norton Utilities or
MacAffee Office, Publisher, Quake, Money 2000, a $50 rebate and
wait, there's still more...
Free Internet service with Microsoft Network for a year!
;-)
>
> --
> Captain Busternaut - FF*20 busternaut at iname dot com
> http://www.angelfire.com/az/StDev AOL IM: Busternaut
> "Iowa's not so bad....If you fit in." - d.
ljmoore
Chris__Dadds <cnc...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3793aaa0....@news.prodigy.net...
> >> (Read Baby Read!)
> >
> >
My
> >best friend is an author and it disappoints her terribly that I don't
even
> >read *her* stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> OK That's enough of that young lady!
> You take yourself down to the library right now and get a card. Then
> use it to check out whatever they have from Tom Robbins. Then make
> sure and read it. That's an order.
>
> Chris
> (Hey! No guilt involved. You've been *ordered* to goof off. :-)
Gee, thanks, Chris! I'll put it on the "to do" list.....might even be as
soon as Wednesday!
~L.
Chris__Dadds
>In <3793aaa0....@news.prodigy.net> cnc...@prodigy.net
>(Chris__Dadds) writes:
>>
>>>~L. (who has not had a library card since moving to Florida)
>>>
>>>
>> OK That's enough of that young lady!
>> You take yourself down to the library right now and get a card. Then
>> use it to check out whatever they have from Tom Robbins. Then make
>> sure and read it. That's an order.
>> Chris
>> (Hey! No guilt involved. You've been *ordered* to goof off. :-)
>>
>
> Haha. I JUST finished "Jitterbug Perfume", which I found quite
> amazing. (And it discusses critically, in passing, Buddhism.)
> Plus, I finished it in a week, which is very fast for me, despite
> the very unusual verbal stylings of Mr. Robbins. (It's my first,
> of his books.)
>
> Ned
>
>
Yeah, Robbins is great. Sorta like a Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. A
nice light read on the surface with a great deal of added depth for
those who can appreciate it.
Chris
(who's server has just bit the big one)
KJNL
>What was the name of the book on Joni Mitchell? I adore her voice
>and music. I've listened to Miles of Aisles so many times and love
>when it runs through my head!
It's called 'Both Sides Now' by Brian Hinton...I've just started it, but I
liked his book on Van Morrison.
Here 'tis on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1860741606/qid=932432526/sr=1-3/002
-9593459-7883202
Think I'll pass on your training guide. ;-)
Ned Ludd
(Chris__Dadds) writes:
Ned:
>> Haha. I JUST finished "Jitterbug Perfume", which I found quite
>> amazing. (And it discusses critically, in passing, Buddhism.)
>> Plus, I finished it in a week, which is very fast for me, despite
>> the very unusual verbal stylings of Mr. Robbins. (It's my first,
>> of his books.)
Chris:
>Yeah, Robbins is great. Sorta like a Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. A
>nice light read on the surface with a great deal of added depth for
>those who can appreciate it.
>Chris
>(who's server has just bit the big one)
>
Me too. It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
$1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP. The last problems
with Mindspring/Netcom were so severe that I called in for a "starter
kit" from a new ISP, which should arrive shortly, and then there will
be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
Ned
Chris__Dadds
>>Chris
>>(who's server has just bit the big one)
>>
>
> Me too. It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
> $1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP. The last problems
> with Mindspring/Netcom were so severe that I called in for a "starter
> kit" from a new ISP, which should arrive shortly, and then there will
> be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
>
> Ned
>
>
So where are you going from here? Don't try Prodigy, I was *real*
happy with their newsfeed. (and still am when I can get connected)
But they're phasing out their old Prodigy Classic, which seems to be
an entirely separate and proprietary network. The subscribers are
now starting to dial into Prodigy Internet. This seems to be
happening at the same time that Prodigy is upgrading the whole network
to v.90 standard modem technology. So in essence they,ve replaced
their hardware and software with new stuff from the lowest bidder then
dumped twice the load on it. Newsfeed is still pretty good, when I
can get it.
I'll prolly give them another week to get it so I can connect at least
half as well as I'd like, with noticable progress. If that doesn't
happen I'll go with hoosier.net. They're a little local not-for-profit
ISP who goes around to public buildings and sets up computers for the
general public to access the 'net with. For my newsfeed I'll just have
to subscribe to one of the newsfarms that will let me use Free Agent.
What's happening with mindspring? Is the whole darn net going down
even *before* 00?
Chris
William Hursthouse
>> > OK That's enough of that young lady!
>> > You take yourself down to the library right now and get a card. Then
>> > use it to check out whatever they have from Tom Robbins. Then make
>> > sure and read it. That's an order.
>> > Chris
>> > (Hey! No guilt involved. You've been *ordered* to goof off. :-)
>> >
>> Haha. I JUST finished "Jitterbug Perfume", which I found quite
>> amazing. (And it discusses critically, in passing, Buddhism.)
>> Plus, I finished it in a week, which is very fast for me, despite
>> the very unusual verbal stylings of Mr. Robbins. (It's my first,
>> of his books.)
>I just finished my first Robbins, too (much to the persistent badgering of
>a certain someone...).........
>
>...and a few more..........
>
>.....................................
>
>Yes, there we go. Anyway. This is the fourht or fifth "just finished my
>first Tom Robbins book" sighting in the past month. I just find that
>weird.
>
>
>I'll go be quiet now.
Jitterbug Perfume was the first of his I read to; *loved* it......but
never found another one I could finish :(
Maybe you should stop while you're ahead, Ned :)
william
dr...@ecity.net
>
> On 19 Jul 1999 23:12:27 GMT, ned...@ix.netcom.com(Ned Ludd) wrote:
>
> >In <3793aaa0....@news.prodigy.net> cnc...@prodigy.net
> >(Chris__Dadds) writes:
> >>
> >>>~L. (who has not had a library card since moving to Florida)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> You take yourself down to the library right now and get a card. Then
> >> use it to check out whatever they have from Tom Robbins. Then make
> >> sure and read it. That's an order.
> >> Chris
> >> (Hey! No guilt involved. You've been *ordered* to goof off. :-)
> >>
> >
> > amazing. (And it discusses critically, in passing, Buddhism.)
> > Plus, I finished it in a week, which is very fast for me, despite
> > the very unusual verbal stylings of Mr. Robbins. (It's my first,
> > of his books.)
> >
> >
> >
> Yeah, Robbins is great. Sorta like a Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. A
> nice light read on the surface with a great deal of added depth for
> those who can appreciate it.
>
>
> (who's server has just bit the big one)
Oh gawd! My heartfelt condolences. That means a _lot_ of work.
Hang in there! (don't forget to sleep ;-)
droll
IamSpncycl
[...]
>It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
> $1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP. The last problems
> with Mindspring/Netcom were so severe that I called in for a "starter
> kit" from a new ISP, which should arrive shortly, and then there will
> be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
>
No more ned...@ix.netcom.com??
The end of the world as we know it....
Will there be a special closing ceremony?
I have to admit to being concerned about the end of the world lately. In the
past few weeks, I've been able to get great parking spaces. (Nora calls it
"Rock Star Parking" when you get to park in the best spot.)
Diane
Ned Ludd
(Chris__Dadds) writes:
Ned:
> Me too. It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
> $1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP. The last problems
> with Mindspring/Netcom were so severe that I called in for a "starter
> kit" from a new ISP, which should arrive shortly, and then there will
> be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
Chris:
> What's happening with mindspring? Is the whole darn net going down
> even *before* 00?
>
Who knows? Last week there was no email for 3 days and no service
for a whole day. And that never happened before the Mindspring
merger. Maybe it's all fixed now. Also, I've got to get a better
browser to work somehow, and three have failed to work so far,
including Netcom's own, to which their support staff finally
concluded, after 8 email exchanges, that it "can't" work on my
machine (which is a vanilla 100Mhz, 16M Ram PC with Windows 3.1)
Ned
Ned Ludd
Hursthouse) writes:
Cap'n:
>Yes, there we go. Anyway. This is the fourht or fifth "just finished
>my first Tom Robbins book" sighting in the past month. I just find
>that weird.
>I'll go be quiet now.
William:
> Jitterbug Perfume was the first of his I read to; *loved* it......but
> never found another one I could finish :(
> Maybe you should stop while you're ahead, Ned :)
>
Perhaps. Mr. Robbins (like most successful, profession writers)
seems to greatly enjoy the sound of his own words. His lists can
get tedious, and his similes, which are OK if you read over them
quickly, don't really work if you stop to think about them. But
"Jitterbug Perfume" was a great book, of grand scale, and a
thorough joy to read, despite the occasional intrusiveness of
the author.
Ned
Tom Hall
> droll:
> >Would you be interested in a book report on Microsoft products?
> KJNL wrote:
> I've been on a quest to soak up as much rock 'n' roll history as I
> possibly can...all I've read for the past month are biographies.
> Let's see,I've done Jerry Garcia, Van Morrison (fascinating!), Bob
> Dylan (read two books and a few interviews, and I've only just
> scratched the surface)...I made a brief digression into the music of
> Yes...and now I'm starting on Joni Mitchell. I think Neil Young is
> going to be next. Y'all got any reading recommendations?
>
It's not exactly rock-n-roll, but BB King's autobiography ("Blues All
Around Me") is a really fun and interesting book. I highly reccommend
it! Also way fun and interesting is Frank Zappa's autobiography. Even if
you aren't fond his music, he is a very funny guy. Some great stories
about the early days recording Beefheart, and some witty essays.
Tom
Brian Drummond
wrote:
>droll
>
>As far as suggestions, well, "MSCE Training Guide for Network
>Essentials" by New Riders press? ;-)
>
>It's not so bad if you have a computer to practice on. Which I
>don't. My PC floppy disk drive bit the dust. However, Best Buy
>tells me that it has been shipped. When I asked if they were able
>to fix it, she said, "Well, we won't know 'til it gets here." I
>have a service contract. Ostensibly, they will replace it if they
>couldn't fix it. Well see on maybe Wednesday. They have shipments
>arriving on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
uh, especially if you're training for something like an MCSE...
it's probably easier to replace a floppy drive than to send the machine
back under contract. And the thing only costs around $12 (at UK prices,
so that's a ripoff!) One screwdriver, six screws to get in, four to get
the drive out, two cables...
of course you'll find the problem was the cable was pulled off at the
*other* end, or in the process you'll knock the cable to the hard drive
halfway off, or somethign like that, so you get the heart-stopping
moment when it doesn't boot...
the one secret tip is to make sure it's all hunky dory *before* you put
the lid back on. So you can just switch off, check everything and try
again.
If you're not confident, it helps if it's an old machine, but really
it's unlikely you'll do _serious_ damage, the trick is not being
discouraged by the first little mistake. Or find an introductory
hardware build/repair course. There's really not much to it, compared to
"Network essentials".
Nightmare? Maybe. But set against 1-800-ZZZ-HELL it ain't so bad at
all... Hope you get it back soon. And working.
- Brian
Ned Ludd
(IamSpncycl) writes:
Ned:
[...]
> It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
> $1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP... and then
> there will be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
Diane:
> No more ned...@ix.netcom.com??
> The end of the world as we know it....
> Will there be a special closing ceremony?
>
Well, the original "Ned Ludds" were hanged. (In 1813.) But
I suppose we could consider something a little less festive.
> I have to admit to being concerned about the end of the world lately.
> In the past few weeks, I've been able to get great parking spaces.
> (Nora calls it "Rock Star Parking" when you get to park in the best
> spot.)
>
Hmm... Karen just posted this over on alt.zen:
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Article: 171932
Newsgroups: alt.zen
From: kare...@mindspring.com (karen)
Subject: Re: Paper says new particle accelerator could doom earth
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:54:52 GMT
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:22:03 GMT, ananda...@hotmail.com
(Ali Hassan) wrote:
>>> "The committee is to examine the possibility that, once formed,
>>> strangelets might start an uncontrollable chain reaction that
>>> could convert anything they touched into more strange matter."
>
>Ah shit, the last time that happened was Atlantis. Geez, I'm sorry
>already. People just won't let a guy forget! On the other hand, where
>do you think all those fine beaches came from? One culture's meltdown
>is the next culture(?) 's Spring Break party excuse.
Ha! Gee, ya never know who's gonna show up where on the net.
Was reading sci.nonlinear and... Hiya, Ali! =)
Ali:
>>Gawd, all these chickens running around Los Alamos in 1945 wondering
>>if it's gonna happen again.
>>And now this.
Well, *if* we make it through July...
karen
----
And I'll tell ya, if the world's DOESN'T end in July (this month),
I'm going to be really pissed! First Atlantis didn't come up in
1998, and now THIS fiasco with Nostradamus.
Is nothing sacred? Is nothing to be believed?
Ned
Pete Watters
[snip]
> And I'll tell ya, if the world's DOESN'T end in July (this month),
> I'm going to be really pissed! First Atlantis didn't come up in
> 1998, and now THIS fiasco with Nostradamus.
>
> Is nothing sacred? Is nothing to be believed?
>
> Ned
I believe that you'll find other books by Robbins are even *better* than
"Jitterbug Perfume."
Pete (who's freakin' cable line has been out for more than a week...)
Ali Hassan
I'd hate to have Karen mad at me. She is like the ultimate predator.
Lurking silently for months, and then popping up with a smiley face.
Phew!
>
> And I'll tell ya, if the world's DOESN'T end in July (this month),
> I'm going to be really pissed! First Atlantis didn't come up in
> 1998, and now THIS fiasco with Nostradamus.
>
> Is nothing sacred? Is nothing to be believed?
>
> Ned
>
Nothing but Emily and your Mama, and they could be jiving you too.
dr...@ecity.net
I'm told that the floppy drive costs $100+ (american) because its
inside the very unique Compaq machine. I really hope that something
inside is fried and they have to give me a newer one. ;-)
(dream a little dream of a new computer for me?)
It would have to be faster than the 166 MMX that I have. I wouldn't
buy a Compaq again for this very reason. Non-standard parts.
They've even modified the motherboard so that it will only take
Compaq replacement chips, etc. (I bought it as my first PC and it
was cheap, being lesser technology. I just wanted it for a study
machine. I've learned way more about 'Wondows' technology than I
ever wanted to. That hard drive crash was a real trip. ;-) It
_could_ make a nice "practice" machine. If they gave me a new one,
though, they wouldn't add in the old one. I was actually taking a
Visual Basic course at the local Junior College. (I bought the MSCE
Book but have only gotten a ways through it because of 'real'
school. Interestingly, the MSCE cert would probably be the better
deal.) We are having mandatory overtime at work, and the only time
I have to study is in the morning, 2:00 am-ish, before work at
6:00am. When the computer died and had to be sent in, it was flunk
or quit. Pretty much a no-brainer. I'm signed up for the same
course next semester and hope to get through the work assigned for
the course before then. I will also be taking JCL. That will
probably be tough for me. But it will get me a job later, so I'll
gladly suffer. Just remind me when I whine too loud!
droll (It's sure a good thing my pets love me a lot. They know
where the food comes from, at any rate. ;-)
dr...@ecity.net
understand the mechanics of it, but my ex-husband, a composer of
sorts, claims that he is using almost pure twelve tone composition.
And it is so much fun--Zappa fooled everyone with his rowdy lyrics!
I've heard his orchestral stuff. Equally fine, in my honest
opinion. (or should that be IMHO? ;-)
KJNL
>> Jitterbug Perfume was the first of his I read to; *loved* it......but
>> never found another one I could finish :(
I read 'Another Roadside Attraction' at an impressionable age...and wanted to
become Amanda.
I think 'Still Life With Woodpecker' is my favorite. 'Half Asleep in Frog
Pajamas' is definitely my least favorite.
Anybody read any Christopher Moore? 'Blood-Sucking Fiends'?
:-)
dr...@ecity.net
>
> In <3793f3a1....@news.prodigy.net> cnc...@prodigy.net
> (Chris__Dadds) writes:
>
> Ned:
> > Me too. It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
> > $1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP. The last problems
> > with Mindspring/Netcom were so severe that I called in for a "starter
> > be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
>
> > What's happening with mindspring? Is the whole darn net going down
> > even *before* 00?
> >
>
> Who knows? Last week there was no email for 3 days and no service
> for a whole day. And that never happened before the Mindspring
> merger. Maybe it's all fixed now. Also, I've got to get a better
> browser to work somehow, and three have failed to work so far,
> including Netcom's own, to which their support staff finally
> concluded, after 8 email exchanges, that it "can't" work on my
> machine (which is a vanilla 100Mhz, 16M Ram PC with Windows 3.1)
>
> Ned
Can you upgrade the RAM and put Win95 on it?
I know that's like suggesting you sell your soul to the devil, but
it might work. Get Netscape 3.0 or something.
Or, you could buy a Mac. The G3 iMac, that I love and is keeping me
sane right now, is only $1199. It's a slick little puppy with
cheezewhiz for keyboard and mouse, but it works. And it works fast.
I can get an adapter for my old keyboard and trackball. I just
haven't had time. I'm volunteering secretarial skills to the lone
union steward fighting the firing of the guy that had the newspaper
on his towing machine. Ya'know, there's only so far a person is
willing to get pushed. (my ability to be pushed is getting
progressively smaller ;-) I have skills that other people just
don't have. That's not their fault and combining their skills (that
I don't have) with my skills just makes everything that much stronger.
In the 10 years I've owned Mac computers, I've only sent in one.
And it was back in less that a week. The reason it was sent in was
a factory recall. I got new and improved parts on my powerbook.
Free. Even the shipping was free.
droll
dr...@ecity.net
>
> In <19990720073045...@ng-cm1.aol.com> iamsp...@aol.com
> (IamSpncycl) writes:
>
> Ned:
> [...]
> > No more ned...@ix.netcom.com??
> > The end of the world as we know it....
> > Will there be a special closing ceremony?
> >
>
>
> And I'll tell ya, if the world's DOESN'T end in July (this month),
> I'm going to be really pissed! First Atlantis didn't come up in
> 1998, and now THIS fiasco with Nostradamus.
>
> Is nothing sacred? Is nothing to be believed?
>
> Ned
Well, I say no hangings. And forget about July being the end of the
world. I want one more picnic. Let's say September as the end of
the world. Late September.
(We could get in a picnic before then. Perhaps early September?)
Sept = 7? It's plausible at least.
And who knows that Atlantis didn't rise some, but due to the glacial
melting at the polar caps; was unable to get all the way up.
You didn't get rid of the Ark plans did you?
Fortune telling is really non-specific.
I had a horoscope hit right on the money one day.
I went into work after working on my budget early in the morning to
figure out how much overtime would be on my check. My horoscope
said: "You will work on your budget early in the day. Plan for
extra hours at work."
I figure that once in a lifetime occurrence should cure me from ever
thinking a horoscope will come true again. After all, there's lot's
of other Aquarians to get covered before they get back around to me.
;-)
droll
ljmoore
Ned Ludd <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7n1rsv$3...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com...
> In <3793f3a1....@news.prodigy.net> cnc...@prodigy.net
> (Chris__Dadds) writes:
>
> Ned:
> > Me too. It looks like, after over four years (at $20/month, ie. over
> > $1,000 total) I'm going to be moving to a new ISP. The last problems
> > with Mindspring/Netcom were so severe that I called in for a "starter
> > be no more ned...@ix.netcom.com
>
> Chris:
> > What's happening with mindspring? Is the whole darn net going down
> > even *before* 00?
> >
>
> Who knows? Last week there was no email for 3 days and no service
> for a whole day. And that never happened before the Mindspring
> merger. Maybe it's all fixed now. Also, I've got to get a better
> browser to work somehow, and three have failed to work so far,
> including Netcom's own, to which their support staff finally
> concluded, after 8 email exchanges, that it "can't" work on my
> machine (which is a vanilla 100Mhz, 16M Ram PC with Windows 3.1)
>
> Ned
Gee, Ned....I think I'd be disappointed if you had anything *more* than
that. I can commiserate. Mindspring bought sprynet also. Never had
trouble getting on the 'Net till they appeared. Not even when AOLsucks
owned sprynet.
~L.
Ali Hassan
Throw a big goddam hissy fit, droll, and insist they give you anything
but a compaq ( or a Packard-Bell for the same reason) dell are
supposed to be improving. And AMD chips are a bargain. Raise holy
hell. We'll (tm.) all be backing you. We (tm.) think it would do
wonders for your self-esteem.(Even if the deadbeats don't give you
what you want)
Nik
<dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
--> smip of computer problems.
>
>I'm told that the floppy drive costs $100+ (american) because its
>inside the very unique Compaq machine. I really hope that something
That's a crock of shit(TM). If they charge you more than 15 bucks for
a floppy scream bloody murder at them.
>inside is fried and they have to give me a newer one. ;-)
>(dream a little dream of a new computer for me?)
>
--> more smippage
>droll (It's sure a good thing my pets love me a lot. They know
>where the food comes from, at any rate. ;-)
Be Calm
Nik Olah
Chris__Dadds
(Snip related stuff to appease the posting gods)
>
> And I'll tell ya, if the world's DOESN'T end in July (this month),
> I'm going to be really pissed! First Atlantis didn't come up in
> 1998, and now THIS fiasco with Nostradamus.
>
> Is nothing sacred? Is nothing to be believed?
>
> Ned
>
>
Shoot *I* thought it was mid August. Mebby sometime around the solar
eclipse. With the tension in Tiawan it could be setting the stage for
the time when, as Nostradamus said, The bird and the bear would rise
togeather to strike down the dragon.
On a loosyl connected note: I heard on the radio that they had to
delay the launching of the space shuttle the other morning. Not only
was it to have the first woman commander but it was to deliver the
world's most powerfull x-ray telescope into orbit.
Other than tracking the location of neuclear fuel and US paper money
what use do we have for an x-ray telescope?
Chris
(Who's e-mail says he's got to go to work now)
dr...@ecity.net
>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:59:31 -0500, "dr...@ecity.net"
> <dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
>
> --> smip of computer problems.
>
> >
> >I'm told that the floppy drive costs $100+ (american) because its
> >inside the very unique Compaq machine. I really hope that something
>
> That's a crock of shit(TM). If they charge you more than 15 bucks for
> a floppy scream bloody murder at them.
No that's how you make money with 'non-standard' parts.
;-)
I talked to a couple of the guys in the Network office. They were
going to fix my computer (had I not already sent it in) until they
heard it was from Compaq. It's covered under my extended warranty
which apparently has just paid for itself.
>
> >inside is fried and they have to give me a newer one. ;-)
> >(dream a little dream of a new computer for me?)
> >
>
> --> more smippage
>
> >droll (It's sure a good thing my pets love me a lot. They know
> >where the food comes from, at any rate. ;-)
>
> Be Calm
Will do! Got a call just a bit ago and the computer is ready.
(drat!) When it cools down, (our heat index is 103-sorry but I
don't live in Phoenix and I'm not used to it...;-) I'll go pick it
up and hook everything back together again.
droll
>
> Nik Olah
Chris__Dadds
>On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:59:31 -0500, "dr...@ecity.net"
><dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
>
>--> smip of computer problems.
>
>>
>>I'm told that the floppy drive costs $100+ (american) because its
>>inside the very unique Compaq machine. I really hope that something
>
>That's a crock of shit(TM). If they charge you more than 15 bucks for
>a floppy scream bloody murder at them.
>
>>inside is fried and they have to give me a newer one. ;-)
>>(dream a little dream of a new computer for me?)
>>
>
>--> more smippage
>
>>droll (It's sure a good thing my pets love me a lot. They know
>>where the food comes from, at any rate. ;-)
>
>Be Calm
>
>Nik Olah
>
Really. If you can stay away from these proprietary vendors hardware
is cheap. Check out my supplier: http://www.computerclubhouse.com
No frills or fancy showrooms, darn little support, but some reasonable
prices on both named and "white box" stuff.
Chris
Chris__Dadds
>
Janl:
>I think 'Still Life With Woodpecker' is my favorite. 'Half Asleep in Frog
>Pajamas' is definitely my least favorite.
Yeah Ned. Do "Still Life With Woodpecker" next.
Chris
dr...@ecity.net
Yeah. I will never own another Compaq again in this lifetime. I
got the damned thing back and the service notice said that they
noted many software conflicts and recommended a complete restore to
the original condition. I asked them to check things out and of
course the damned thing froze upon saving a file using the floppy
disk drive. He could save through dos, though. He told me to
reinstall windows with the original oem disk that I have. That
didn't work. I'm now back to square one with a computer that can't
find its operating system. I do not have nice things to say about
Best Buy and am filled with hate in my heart towards the IBM
compatible Compaq machines. I'm now on my complete second restore
to the 'C' drive and can't figure out for the life of me how to get
it to recognize the partitions of my new internal hard drive without
reformatting. All the data is still there, but won't access through
the 'C' drive. I got files saved to my 'a' drive though after the
first complete restore, though. Whoopee.
I took tomorrow morning off to do some Union research. From the
looks of things, I will be sleeping instead.
droll (Life is what happens after you've made other plans. Be Calm.
;-)
Chris__Dadds
> That
>didn't work. I'm now back to square one with a computer that can't
>find its operating system. I do not have nice things to say about
>Best Buy and am filled with hate in my heart towards the IBM
>compatible Compaq machines. I'm now on my complete second restore
>to the 'C' drive and can't figure out for the life of me how to get
>it to recognize the partitions of my new internal hard drive without
>reformatting. All the data is still there, but won't access through
>the 'C' drive. I got files saved to my 'a' drive though after the
>first complete restore, though. Whoopee.
>I took tomorrow morning off to do some Union research. From the
>looks of things, I will be sleeping instead.
>
>droll (Life is what happens after you've made other plans. Be Calm.
> ;-)
Can your bios find the drive consistently?
Do you know what system.dat and user.dat are?
Have you tried deleting all four of these associated files before
reinstalling windows? I am Not telling you to do this yet. there
are a few other things to try first.
What process did you use to partition the drive originally?
How big and what kind of drive is in the box?
How much RAM is in there?
Chris
Who wishes you well.
nedludd
(Chris__Dadds) writes:
>
>Janl:
> I think 'Still Life With Woodpecker' is my favorite. 'Half Asleep
> in Frog Pajamas' is definitely my least favorite.
Chris:
> Yeah Ned. Do "Still Life With Woodpecker" next.
>
OK. I'm finishing up a book of poems by old Chinese Buddhists,
and the lady at the deli is lending me Steven King's last book
next, but after that I'll take another stab at Mr. Robbins.
Ned
Nik
>>
>> Chris
>
>Yeah. I will never own another Compaq again in this lifetime. I
>got the damned thing back and the service notice said that they
>noted many software conflicts and recommended a complete restore to
>the original condition. I asked them to check things out and of
>course the damned thing froze upon saving a file using the floppy
>disk drive. He could save through dos, though. He told me to
>reinstall windows with the original oem disk that I have. That
>didn't work. I'm now back to square one with a computer that can't
>find its operating system. I do not have nice things to say about
>Best Buy and am filled with hate in my heart towards the IBM
>compatible Compaq machines. I'm now on my complete second restore
>to the 'C' drive and can't figure out for the life of me how to get
>it to recognize the partitions of my new internal hard drive without
>reformatting. All the data is still there, but won't access through
>the 'C' drive. I got files saved to my 'a' drive though after the
>first complete restore, though. Whoopee.
>I took tomorrow morning off to do some Union research. From the
>looks of things, I will be sleeping instead.
>
>droll (Life is what happens after you've made other plans. Be Calm.
> ;-)
When you're re-installing WinBlows, it's best to format the hard drive
flat. Hrm... Somewhere over on zdnet.com I saw an article about what
to do if you're having excessive problems w/ re-installing... I don't
remember the exact details... I'll have to look into it, but the gist
of the article was to format your drive clean. Install the great
corruptor and your most important programs, then copy the windows
directory to something like "Win-Safe" or somesuch. Whenever winblows
starts going stupid, delete the windows directory & copy your backup
file to windows.
I know there's a few other steps to it tho... I'm gonna go look it up.
I should really do that for my system at home (just formatted &
reinstalled last weekend)
Be Calm
Nik Olah
PKHarvey
ned...@ix.netcom.com(nedludd) writes:
>OK. I'm finishing up a book of poems by old Chinese Buddhists,
Which one? Anything you'd recommend?
P.K.
dr...@ecity.net
Oh, I'm having a good time reinstalling my backup. Trouble is, I'm
reinstalling the software conflicts that I don't understand how to
get rid of (or what they are exactly. NO list came with the
report.) What is my boot directory and how do I back it up? How do
I make good copies of a registry?
How in the hell do I get rid of McAffee virus detector? It doesn't
want to leave and I don't want to use it anymore. Norton is easier
to update. But when I try to delete it, my bootup looks for it
anyway. Then it freezes up and refuses to boot. And what is DOSkey
anyway? It freezes things up a lot, too.
(Chris, you said these things can't be broken!! ;-)
Isn't there some way to edit the boot process?
The guy at Best Buy showed me how to get rid of stuff in my start up
file, but that's not all that's wrong.
They need a book of "Very Important Things to Have a Clean Backup
Copy Of." Then people like me wouldn't have to live forever in
deja.computer-hell. ;-)
It's going well, actually, and I got much research done this morning
while stuffing disks into the Zip drive. If I didn't have two
computers, I'd be completely bonkers from withdrawals. ;-)
droll
nedludd
(PKHarvey) asks:
Ned wrote:
>> OK. I'm finishing up a book of poems by old Chinese Buddhists,
P.K.:
> Which one? Anything you'd recommend?
>
Oh yeah, lots. But some of them are absolutely incomprehensible
without the notes at the end of each section. (I don't know how
anyone ever translates ancient Chinese.)
The book is a compilation of six translators' work on relatively
unknown Chinese poets from the 8th century through one 'recent'
poet who died in this century. The book is called "The Clouds
Should Know Me By Now", and it was compiled by Bill Porter (Red
Pine).
Here's one that I thought was kind of nice, by a poet named Yu
Chao (10th century) translated by Paul Hansen. It concerns his
thoughts about a pine fly-whisk (as opposed to the usual deer-
tail or horse-tail fly-whisks [which involve an animal product]:
THE PINE WHISK
A streambed
Winds between their solid trunks.
How could they be the same
As deertail fly-whisks?
To sit
Among them,
They're always dripping
Azure shade, and when we talk,
Give sudden birth to breezes. Their shadows
Fall beyond the lonely lamplight.
Noises chill inside
The silent room.
Is there anyone
Who realizes this thought?
The rocks in the woods,
Clustered together.
- Yu Chao
What I particularly liked was the extensive footnote on this one,
triggered by the phrase "rocks in the woods", and which involved
the translator telling a story that didn't really relate to this
poem, but he just HAD to tell it. It's one of those cute little
stories that you often find tucked away in Zen literature.
Here's the footnote (it's a slow day, and I was in a 'scanning'
kind of mood):
The Pine Whisk
Deer-tail fly whisks. Around the end of the Han dynasty and the
first years of the Wei, that is, the first decades of the third
century C.E., a kind of philosophical wit, the development of the
Taoist traditions of Lao-tzu and Chuang-tzu, flourished in the
highest governmental circles of the capital. These supramundane
remarks and conversations were called Pure Chat, and in succeeding
centuries it was within this tradition of Pure Chat that the
literati of the Chinese upper class were first able to achieve
a comprehensive understanding of the new teaching of the Buddha.
An emblem of the individual accomplished in the supernal wittiness
of Pure Chat was a deer- or horse-tail whisk, sometimes called
a fly-whisk, used to emphasize the speaker's ideas or attitudes.
Out of poverty, frugality, and the wish to avoid animal products,
recluses and Buddhist monks adapted a pine branch for their
philosophical chats and lectures on Dharma.
Though Yu Chao's rocks in the woods are not Tao Sheng's rocks on
Tiger Mountain near Suzhou, it seems appropriate to tell their
story here. One of the great achievements of the formative period
of Chinese Buddhism was the translation of the sacred works of the
Mahayana canon. Prominent lay intellectuals and poets aided monks
from India and China in these efforts, and the growing Buddhist
community in China eagerly awaited the translations that resulted
from them. Besides the unfamiliar teachings each freshly translated
Mahayana sutra introduced to the community, the newly available works
were also used by Buddhists to resolve any doubtful points that might
have already arisen among them about the Buddha's teaching. Indeed,
some of these sacred works were translated more than once. In one
case a difference between two versions of the Mahaparinirvana Sutra
prolonged a critical misunderstanding about the buddha-nature itself.
Preached just before the Buddha's own nirvana, the Mahaparinirvana
Sutra emphasizes the eternal, joyful aspects of nirvana and states
that all sentient beings can attain buddhahood since they all possess
the buddha-nature. Many Chinese Buddhists, familiar with the intimate
yet impersonal emptiness of the wisdom sutras and the non-being of
the Taoist classics, were at first diffident about these positive
teachings. In fact, when the first translation of the Mahaparinirvana
Sutra by Fa-hsien was made in 418 C.E., it stated that certain beings,
called icchantikas, who have cut off their good roots, did not possess
the buddha-nature and, hence, would never attain nirvana.
Some Buddhists did embrace the positive teachings of this final sutra
of the Buddha's earthly life, and a certain monk, Tao Sheng (ca. 360-
434), was enthusiastic about the eternal and joyous aspects of the
newly translated work. Tao Sheng also became prominent for his
insistence that the icchantikas, or those beings who had cut off
their "good roots", which enable one to relate to the Buddha and his
teaching, indeed did possess the buddha-nature and would ultimately
attain nirvana. However, most Buddhists, following the Fa-hsien
translation of the sutra, believed the contrary. It was only more
than a decade later when the more complete translation of Dharmakshema
became available that the orthodoxy of Tao Sheng's view was validated,
a view he had accepted through his understanding of buddha-nature,
independent of - and indeed contrary to - accepted scriptural
authority.
According to the "Record of the Monasteries of Wu", during the period
of his controversy Tao Sheng traveled to the south and later had a
Lecture Hall on Tiger Hill outside of Suzhou. When he received the
translation of Dharmakshema there, he set some stones upright as
students and "broke off a pine branch to be his speaking whisk." He
then preached the Mahaparinirvana Sutra before these listeners. When
Tao Sheng reached the point where the sutra states: "The icchantika
has the buddha-nature", he asked, "Does what I say accord with the
buddha-mind?" Thereupon, the stones all bowed.
dr...@ecity.net
>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:14:50 -0500, "dr...@ecity.net"
> <dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
>
> >Nik wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:16:53 -0500, "dr...@ecity.net"
> >> <dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> When you're re-installing WinBlows, it's best to format the hard drive
> >> flat. Hrm... Somewhere over on zdnet.com I saw an article about what
> >> to do if you're having excessive problems w/ re-installing... I don't
> >> remember the exact details...
>
> >>
> >> Nik Olah
> >
> >Oh, I'm having a good time reinstalling my backup. Trouble is, I'm
> >reinstalling the software conflicts that I don't understand how to
> >get rid of (or what they are exactly. NO list came with the
> >report.) What is my boot directory and how do I back it up?
>
> anything to me. Could the error message say something different, but
> similar? Computers are extremely literal things. I can guess at what
> you mean, but that doesn't do any good for the troubleshooting
> process. Did you partition the drive with some third party
> software? If so you can try putting that disk back in the drive and
> rebooting. *DON'T* do anything other than letting it see the drive
> when it boots though.
>
> > How do
> >I make good copies of a registry?
>
> would do it. At least I don't *think* that it would :-)
>
> >How in the hell do I get rid of McAffee virus detector?
>
> itself to. Sometimes winders uninstall from the control panel doesn't
> find *all* the possible uninstall options.
> > It doesn't
> >want to leave and I don't want to use it anymore. Norton is easier
> >to update. But when I try to delete it, my bootup looks for it
> >anyway. Then it freezes up and refuses to boot. And what is DOSkey
> >anyway? It freezes things up a lot, too.
>
> recall a few previous commands when working in DOS.
> >
> >(Chris, you said these things can't be broken!! ;-)
>
> >
> >Isn't there some way to edit the boot process?
>
> all the boot files properly juggled. At about.... what? 1.5 million
> lines of code per second that will take how long?
> We need to know *where* in the boot process if fouls up. I'm guessing
> that there is already a backup of your boot files on your system and
> we need to find them.
> [......]
>
> This isn't much help is it?
>
> Chris
Oh yes. It's a really good giggle!
I'm reinstalling everything again. I told you, deja. computer-hell!
Everything is reformatted now. I'm not really very patient after
all. I just want the thing to work and I know how to make it work.
However, like I said...
I've done this before.
I can confuse the _hell_ out of a computer. ;->
If I make a current boot log and print it out, will that help me
find out where in the process it's fouling up?
droll
Hamshank
<dr...@ecity.net> bared her troubled soul...
> > >Yeah. I will never own another Compaq again in this lifetime
(mass snipage)
> It's going well, actually, and I got much research done this morning
> while stuffing disks into the Zip drive. If I didn't have two
> computers, I'd be completely bonkers from withdrawals. ;-)
>
> droll
Hiya gang!
The old Hamshank delurks to say... I too am a Compaq owner! Compaq is the
spawn of Satan! I got a killer deal on this Presario 4504 (Pentium
200/replaced with aP233MMX, 48 megs SDRAM, 2 G hard drive) about two years
ago. The first six months I went crazy trying to work out the bugs. Here are
some of my conclusions:
1. Junk the Compaq restore disk (did I say Compaq is the spawn of Satan?)
2. Totally reformat the hard drive (yes, take a deep breath and press enter)
3. Install a freestanding version of Win98. This may take more then one
attempt (4 times is my max record to get a clean complete install, 2 times
my minnimum)
4. Norton SystemWorks works great with Win98. Earlier versions of Crashguard
and CleanSweep were way too buggy, but this new one kicks a**. Norton
Utilities and Anti-virus have always been pretty good.
5. MS IE 5.0 runs great with this combo
My only remaining problem is that this beast eats CMOS batteries! About 1
every 6 months. I know there's probably a good reason, but after many hours
trying to find out why, I just give in to the $3.50 new battery cure.
I run this set up with Earthlink as my ISP, and I have a cable modem that is
preternaturally fast. The hard drive is a bit small, but a little mindful
file management and a de-frag every two weeks and I'm sailing!
Some may say I've sold out to Mr. Gates in Redmond, but the system blazes
now, with no crashes. And I have just the right technology to wallet ratio.
I fgure to stay with this set up for another two years, or so.
Move towards the liiiiiggghhhttttt,
Hamshank
Chris__Dadds
Chris__Dadds
<dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
(.........Format C:\.....:-)
>Everything is reformatted now. I'm not really very patient after
>all. I just want the thing to work and I know how to make it work.
>However, like I said...
>I've done this before.
>
>I can confuse the _hell_ out of a computer. ;->
>
>If I make a current boot log and print it out, will that help me
>find out where in the process it's fouling up?
>
>droll
I think that you may even have a fouled up partition table. That
tells the system what's where for it to write to. Have you used
fdisk.exe from floppy yet? A reformat won't do anything to your
partition table and you need to know that it's in good shape.
Chris
Chris__Dadds
[.......]
>
>If I make a current boot log and print it out, will that help me
>find out where in the process it's fouling up?
>
>droll
If it's not booting into winders yes. Bail into DOS and read the
bootlog. Where it ends will be the point where it hung.
What's fouled up anyway?
Chris
(currently doing some real ignorant stuff while trying to get Linux
into the other box)
dr...@ecity.net
>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:42 -0500, "dr...@ecity.net"
> <dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
>
> [.......]
> >
> >If I make a current boot log and print it out, will that help me
> >find out where in the process it's fouling up?
> >
> >droll
>
> If it's not booting into winders yes. Bail into DOS and read the
> bootlog. Where it ends will be the point where it hung.
>
> What's fouled up anyway?
Who knows? I could be a real techie if I did. ;->
>
> Chris
Well there's this thing called set somethingorother on my base C:/
drive that gives these paths...
it's listed whilst booting. I'm going to try to go in there and
edit it to at least stop looking for McAffee which I just blatantly
deleted. Piss on it. I don't think I could hurt it worse than it's
hurt now, and it boots. Better than it did before.
> (currently doing some real ignorant stuff while trying to get Linux
> into the other box)
Ooh, "ignorant"! Say some other stuff to make me feel better. ;-)
(no really, this is a learning experience. I'm glad it happened.
I'm glad it happened. I'm glad it happened.
[two clicks of the ruby mouse button....])
droll
pfe...@jmu.edu
>
> (currently doing some real ignorant stuff while trying to get Linux
> into the other box)
Did someone say the magic word? If you need help with Linux, drop me a
line. I'm always glad to help (and a certified Linux Administrator at
that).
BTW -- I'll step in with some comment whenever the magic word is uttered, so
be careful :)
--
Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org
"We apologize for the inconvenience." --God's final message to mankind
PKHarvey
>BTW -- I'll step in with some comment whenever the magic word is uttered, so
>be careful :)
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I'd say you owe us a few posts. janL! You're on!
P.K.
Chris__Dadds
>Chris__Dadds wrote:
>>
>> (currently doing some real ignorant stuff while trying to get Linux
>> into the other box)
>
>Did someone say the magic word? If you need help with Linux, drop me a
>line. I'm always glad to help (and a certified Linux Administrator at
>that).
>
>BTW -- I'll step in with some comment whenever the magic word is uttered, so
>be careful :)
>
>--
>Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org
>"We apologize for the inconvenience." --God's final message to mankind
>
Hi Greg, Thanks for the offer but I'm riding a really steep learning
curve at the moment. I've got Red Hat 5.1, a command reference and a
Cue publishing Special Edition. Once I get a copy of O'Reilly
Publishing's "Linux in a Nutshell", by Jessica Heckman, to tell me
which section of the Cue book I need to read I think I'll be in pretty
good shape.
janL should be along in a little while to give you the quiz. Till
then: Do you have any "other" good sources for learning Linux in an
efficient manner?
Chris
KJNL
>In article <7n9raa$nmh$1...@lark.jmu.edu>, pfe...@jmu.edu writes:
>
>>BTW -- I'll step in with some comment whenever the magic word is uttered, so
>>be careful :)
>
P.K.:
>I'd say you owe us a few posts. janL! You're on!
>
Okey-doke.
Hi, Greg, and welcome.
You sound like a highly logical individual. So here are some completely
non-linear-thought questions for you. Please feel free to answer any, all, or
none of the following:
1. Do you have any inflatable items in your household? If so, describe them.
2. What's your favorite vegetable?
3. Which do you feel reveals the most about someone's personality:
a.) Musical tastes;
b.) Reading preferences;
c.) Extent of belly button extrusion (or intrusion, as the case may be.)
4. Do you feel that man, as a species, is inherently self-destructive?
Thank you.
:-)
janL
-------------------------------------------------
"damn everything but the circus." - ee cummings
Chris__Dadds
>Chris__Dadds wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:21:42 -0500, "dr...@ecity.net"
>> <dr...@ecity.net> wrote:
>>
>> [.......]
>> >
>> >If I make a current boot log and print it out, will that help me
>> >find out where in the process it's fouling up?
>> >
>> >droll
>>
>> If it's not booting into winders yes. Bail into DOS and read the
>> bootlog. Where it ends will be the point where it hung.
>>
Incidentally, The bootlog is writen the first time Windows boots then
remains unchanged untill you ask it to record a new one.
>> What's fouled up anyway?
>
>Who knows? I could be a real techie if I did. ;->
>
>
What I meant was: What do you want, or expect, it to do that it isn't
doing?
>>
>> Chris
>
>Well there's this thing called set somethingorother on my base C:/
>drive that gives these paths...
>
>it's listed whilst booting. I'm going to try to go in there and
>edit it to at least stop looking for McAffee which I just blatantly
>deleted. Piss on it. I don't think I could hurt it worse than it's
>hurt now, and it boots. Better than it did before.
Try bailingl to DOS then REM out any reference to McAffee that occures
in autoexec.bat or config.sys.
Or perhaps I should recommend "Windows 95 in a Nutshell" by Tim
O'Reilly and Troy Mott. It's a nice concise reference covering not
only the O/S window dressing but the 60% of the distributed software
that you can't find unless you know where to look.
>
>
>> (currently doing some real ignorant stuff while trying to get Linux
>> into the other box)
>
>Ooh, "ignorant"! Say some other stuff to make me feel better. ;-)
As an autodidect I view ignorance as an attribute of existance. Sorta
like gravity.
>
>(no really, this is a learning experience. I'm glad it happened.
>I'm glad it happened. I'm glad it happened.
>[two clicks of the ruby mouse button....])
>
>
>droll
Chris
John Kahila
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:
>BTW -- I'll step in with some comment whenever the magic word is uttered, so
>be careful :)
Kibo, is that you?
dr...@ecity.net
I'm back online with the PC and resolving software conflicts like a pro...
Well that last part was made up. ;-)
I'm actually just deleting what I think I don't need.
I know you're supposed to use uninstall programs, but I can't find them for
a lot of the conflicts.
Ms. Attendance Clerk?
Will be out of town for the next few days. My dearest friend from high
school (1967)...
well she called the other night to say her husband died. He had a return
of cancer and on the way home from work pulled over to the side of the road
and died. I'm going to be with her and help.
Kieth Cupp was his name. Prayers for JoAnn and Adrian (her daughter) will
be very appreciated.
Love you all,
droll
Trinlay Khadro <trinl...@my-deja.com> wrote in article
<7mrh6n$pc8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <19990717115517...@ng-fa1.aol.com>,
> iamsp...@aol.com (IamSpncycl) wrote:
> > I've been reading a fascinating biography:
>
> Folklore in Tibet and elsewhere tells tales of the
> > created being turning on its magician-father and killing him, and we
> are
> > reminded of the fictional Dr. Frankenstein…." (Wasn't there an X-
> Files episode
> > about this?)
>
> If so I missed it, the episode with the Golem (similar motif) resulted
> in a run on books on Jewish folklore and Golem stories at the local
> libraries. It's been suggested that Frankenstein's creature in Ms.
> Shelly's story was inspired by some of the Golem lore.
>
> >
> > create materializations which are much les palpable than the
> consciously
> > produced tulpas by exuding ectoplasm from their own bodies.
>
> For some reason that makes me not so comfy with using Evans-Wentz as
> a resource.
>
> > a thought-form may be made to emanate from one human mind and be
> > hallucinatorily perceived by another, although possessed of little or
> no
> > palpableness.'"
> >
>
> "Kids! what trouble are you getting into in there?!"
>
> I'm not absolutely sure of how reliable her accounts are in regards to
> odd occurances...particularly those she reports as being directly
> involved in. But (unlike some others I don't care to mention) she
> actually had been to Tibet and generally well regarded there.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
Elizabeth J. Jelich-Griffin
alike on:
Linux
FreeBSD
SunOS
Solaris
HP-UX
Win98
Win97
NT4.x
I think there is a Mac version as well.
Same look and feel across platforms (but not necessarily across
versions).
Hamshank wrote:
> 5. MS IE 5.0 runs great with this combo
Otherwise, items 1-4 were wonderful advice ;-)
>
> My only remaining problem is that this beast eats CMOS batteries! About 1
> every 6 months. I know there's probably a good reason, but after many hours
> trying to find out why, I just give in to the $3.50 new battery cure.
Could you be running with too much HW? Or the power supply can't
handle the pattern of the power draw (peaks and valleys to great in
amplitude)?
(obligatory on-topic ;-)
As this machine is a your creation within your perception of reality,
the answer "you", but which you is that exactly?
Beth
Later,
Beth
IamSpncycl
[....]
>Ms. Attendance Clerk?
I resigned my official position as Attendance Clerk in a huff sometime back
when some folks were uncooperative, but since a replacement has not come
forward,
I will be the Unofficial Attendance Clerk-at-Whim...
>Will be out of town for the next few days. My dearest friend from high
>school (1967)...
>well she called the other night to say her husband died. He had a return
>of cancer and on the way home from work pulled over to the side of the road
>and died. I'm going to be with her and help.
>
>Kieth Cupp was his name. Prayers for JoAnn and Adrian (her daughter) will
>be very appreciated.
Thanks for letting us know Diane.
Peace.
Diane
Nik
Greg Pfeil, are you grepping? ;)
Actually Greg, when I get home I've got a couple of questions to ask
you. My system at home dual boots between WinBlows 98 and Red Hat
6.0 and I've been having problems compiling the kernel to use the new
network card (NE2000 PCI card). I've gone thru all the steps (make
dep;make clean;make bzImage;make modules;make modules_install) but the
new kernel is hanging during boot and I need to look up the exact
error message.
>Chris__Dadds wrote:
>>
>> (currently doing some real ignorant stuff while trying to get Linux
>> into the other box)
>
>Did someone say the magic word? If you need help with Linux, drop me a
>line. I'm always glad to help (and a certified Linux Administrator at
>that).
>
>BTW -- I'll step in with some comment whenever the magic word is uttered, so
>be careful :)
>
KJNL
>be very appreciated.
Prayers being sent now. And for you, too...sometimes it's difficult to be
supportive.
{{droll}}
dr...@ecity.net
Thanks janL. It was hard, of course. But I wouldn't have it any
other way. I've known her since 1976 and when my brother died, she
was there without me even asking. She just showed up and helped.
{{janL}} 8-)
pfe...@technomadic.org
> On 23 Jul 1999 13:39:22 GMT, pfe...@jmu.edu wrote:
>>
>>
>>Did someone say the magic word? If you need help with Linux, drop me a
>>line. I'm always glad to help (and a certified Linux Administrator at
>>that).
>
> curve at the moment. I've got Red Hat 5.1, a command reference and a
> Cue publishing Special Edition. Once I get a copy of O'Reilly
> Publishing's "Linux in a Nutshell", by Jessica Heckman, to tell me
> which section of the Cue book I need to read I think I'll be in pretty
> good shape.
>
> janL should be along in a little while to give you the quiz. Till
> then: Do you have any "other" good sources for learning Linux in an
> efficient manner?
Hmm, learning Linux. First, I suggest anything published by O'Reilly. It's
a great company. As far as specific books, I'm not really sure because I
started a little in high school and just kept tapping away for years until I
became the Linux guru you see before you today (and all without getting a
big head :)
I have a pile of books, though, mostly for lending purposes. Here are a
couple:
_Linux Unleashed_ (Sams) is borrowed quite a bit. So is _Mastering Linux_ from
Sybex. Again, O'Reilly is awesome.
--
Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org
=====WARNING: Keyboard Not Attached. Press F10 to Continue.=====
pfe...@technomadic.org
>
> You sound like a highly logical individual. So here are some completely
> non-linear-thought questions for you. Please feel free to answer any, all, or
> none of the following:
>
> 1. Do you have any inflatable items in your household? If so, describe them.
Hmm, well there's the inflatable stove. But that hasn't worked right since
we realized the burners are only painted on. However, it does explain why
we all got sick after that chicken dinner.
Other than that, just a few inflated egos. I figure this ng should fix
that.
> 2. What's your favorite vegetable?
Definitely gotta be my flatmate, Rick.
> 3. Which do you feel reveals the most about someone's personality:
> a.) Musical tastes;
> b.) Reading preferences;
> c.) Extent of belly button extrusion (or intrusion, as the case may be.)
I would have to say it's how many times they show me choice C.
> 4. Do you feel that man, as a species, is inherently self-destructive?
Well, my experience has been that spontaneous destruction is a rare event,
and even then is restricted to elderly women wearing highly flammable
clothing, so I guess my answer is no, not inherently so. Maybe
outtherently self-destructive, though.
--
Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org
"C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder,
but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." --Bjarne Stroustrup
pfe...@technomadic.org
>
>> 4. Do you feel that man, as a species, is inherently self-destructive?
>
> Well, my experience has been that spontaneous destruction is a rare event,
> and even then is restricted to elderly women wearing highly flammable
> clothing, so I guess my answer is no, not inherently so. Maybe
> outtherently self-destructive, though.
Oops -- "spontaneous destruction" should be "spontaneous combustion". The
keys on this keyboard keep moving and confusing me.
And I'm almost out of PCP too -- just one pill at the bottom, singing my
favorite song.
--
Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org
Rodney Loisel
IamSpncycl wrote:
> I've been reading a fascinating biography:
>
> The Secret Lives of Alexandra David-Neel: A Biography of the Explorer of Tibet
> and Its Forbidden Practices by Barbara and Michael. (Overlook Press, 1998)
> <snip>
> to speak to him." (p 154-155)
>
> Diane - Still reading
If you can find a copy (1967) of Alexandra David-Neel's "The Secret Oral
Teachings in Tibetean Buddhist Sects" City Lights Books... It is a very
lucid treatise on Tibetean Buddhism... Co-authored with her adopted son
Lama Yongden.
IamSpncycl
[...]
>If you can find a copy (1967) of Alexandra David-Neel's "The Secret Oral
>Teachings in Tibetean Buddhist Sects" City Lights Books... It is a very
>lucid treatise on Tibetean Buddhism... Co-authored with her adopted son
>Lama Yongden.
>
Interlibrary Loan!
Diane
William Hursthouse
Actually, Diane, I wouldn't get too excited about that particular one
of her books. A bit cold. Maybe try her (adoopted) son's one and only
novel: "Mipam" I *loved* it; gives a *really* good taste of Tibet as
it was, warts and all
william