This says it all
Sanford Manley
Highly pathogenic avian influenza A
(H5N1) is classified as a select agent
and must be worked with under Biosafety
Level (BSL) 3+ laboratory conditions.
This includes controlled access double
door entry with change room and shower,
use of respirators, decontamination of
all wastes, and showering out of all
personnel. Laboratories working on
these viruses must be certified by the
U.S. Department of Agriculture. CDC
does not recommend that virus isolation
studies on respiratory specimens from
patients who meet the above criteria
be conducted unless stringent BSL 3+
conditions can be met. Therefore,
respiratory virus cultures should not
be performed in most clinical laboratories
and such cultures should not be ordered
for patients suspected of having H5N1
infection.
From:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/professional/han081304.htm
They are sounding serious folks.
Hide a box of lawn and leaf bags
somewhere in the house.
A couple of bags and duct tape should
serve as a good field expedient body
bag....
and only bring out your dead Mondays
and Thursdays.
--
Sanford M. Manley
"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called
a philosopher."- Ambrose Bierce
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cupcake
> This says it all
YIKES! run for cover! we're all gonna die!
>
>From:
>
>[4]http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/professional/han081304.htm
>
>They are sounding serious folks.
>Hide a box of lawn and leaf bags
>somewhere in the house.
>
>A couple of bags and duct tape should
>serve as a good field expedient body
>bag....
>
>and only bring out your dead Mondays
>and Thursdays.
>
>--
>Sanford M. Manley
>"All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called
>a philosopher."- Ambrose Bierce
>[5]http://www.livejournal.com/users/ansaman/
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Sanford Manley
Stop and think...how long can the hospitals bear
up if everyone admitted has to go into class II or
III isolation? I say it will shut the country down
like it shut down parts of the far east.
I HAD the Hong Kong flu Christmas Day 1968?69?
and I remember the whole family **crawling** to
the bathroom and back.
--
Sanford M. Manley
Just because there is a road, it doesn't mean it leads
anywhere. Just because we cannot see a destination,
doesn't mean there isn't one -Sanford M. Manley
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cupcake
Sanford Dubious Manhood wrote:
life is a crap-shoot... -- roll the dice!
>--
> Sanford M. Manley
>
KittyP
"Sanford Manley" <manl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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This will put a serious cramp in the dating lives of those who have affairs
with chickens and ducks.
Kitty
Daryl
escape into public view via article <10ih89o...@corp.supernews.com>:
>with chickens and ducks.
They may find themselves running afowl of the law if
this thing gets serious.
--
Daryl .... to email me add dawt cee eh?
"Love your sig!" --Kirsten Bayes, absfg
Daryl
"I'm not dead!"
Sanford Manley
affairs
> with chickens and ducks.
> Kitty
AFLAC!
--
Sanford M. Manley
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are
twenty Gods, or no God."- Thomas Jefferson
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Sanford Manley
Well, he will be very soon. He's quite ill.
--
Sanford M. Manley
Fer cripes sake, the government will pay for viagra, but then
you have to crawl inside one of them Whack-a-Mole
games for the real action - Sanford M. Manley
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Beth
Hare we go again :-)
--
Beth
(remove the, uh, "knot" to send me e-mail !-)
Beth
"I think I'm getting better"
Sanford M.Manley
No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
--
Sanford M. Manley
Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to
another: What! You, too? Thought I was the only one.
-C.S. Lewis
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Daryl
We kid sometimes.
cupcake
Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The Scream'
as Stunned Visitors Watch
By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
Published: Aug 22, 2004
OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly guarded
Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch masterpiece "The
Scream" and a second Munch painting from the walls as stunned visitors
watched in shock.
Evelyn Ruut
news:Xns9550775D...@130.133.1.4...
> cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
> course but it was immeadiately removed. The insurance company have
> refused to pay out (alledgedly)as it is irreplaceable!
>
> ziggy
Hi Zig,
I am familiar with the painting, but to be completely honest, if someone
gave it to me for free I wouldn't hang it in my house. I think it is ugly.
--
Regards,
Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> From: "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com>
> Reply to: [1]"Evelyn Ruut"
> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:41:37 GMT
> Organization: Road Runner - NYC
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>> cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in [10]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The
>> > Scream'
>> > as Stunned Visitors Watch
>> > By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
>> > Published: Aug 22, 2004
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly
>> > guarded Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch
>> > masterpiece "The Scream" and a second Munch painting from the
>> > walls as stunned visitors watched in shock.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Someone advertised it on Ebay for 9 million yesterday! A joke of
>> course but it was immeadiately removed. The insurance company have
>> refused to pay out (alledgedly)as it is irreplaceable!
>>
>> ziggy
>>
>
>Hi Zig,
>
>I am familiar with the painting, but to be completely honest, if someone
>gave it to me for free I wouldn't hang it in my house. I think it is ugly.
>
without a profound sense of Dukkha suffusing your
entire being, you are no Buddhist
>--
>Regards,
> Evelyn
>
George W. Cherry
> "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in
> news:RV_Wc.109221$4h7.15...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>
> I've always found it a very disturbing work. I certainly wouldn't
> want it as a gift either. It does just what it's supposed to though
> eh? If it was stolen 'to order' then some multi millionaire
> somewhere is sitting with it in his/her vault, all alone and he must
> view it all alone. I mean, he/she must be a strange sort of person
> as he/she couldn't 'share' it with anyone really could he? Nor even
> talk about it. Unless of course at some point he'd hang it and then
> say it was a copy perhaps. I can't see the point, but art and
> possessions 'affect' people in strange ways. Greed too may come into
> it!
>
> ziggy
It was stolen by devoted patrons of beauty
who will destroy it so that it can no longer affront
their esthetic sense.
I loved it. It expresses how I often feel. Ecccch!
George
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]"George W. Cherry"
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:31:54 GMT
> Organization: Comcast Online
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>> >> cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in
>> >> [14]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
... juzt like i said, folks -- Dukkha is the stuff
that fuels the engine that drives us to Nirvana
(the Vajrayanis are juzt selling sugar and
glitter-coated pap)
> George
>
petie
George W. Cherry
"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
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Right. Who enter the stream to cross to the other
shore if everything was hunkey dorey on this shore?
Georgie
Colin Hankin
writes
Why not ask a ten year old to run up a copy and hang that.
No one would know the difference.
( I think that art should be pleasant to look at or at least demonstrate
artistic skills - The Scream missed the mark on both counts.
Good riddance.)
TTFN
--
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email - zendan(at)zenprime(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk
NB: the post box and email addresses on my web site no longer work.
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]Colin Hankin
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:20:36 +0100
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>writes
>>
>>
>> Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The Scream'
>> as Stunned Visitors Watch
>> By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
>> Published: Aug 22, 2004
>>
>>
>>
>> OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly guarded
>> Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch masterpiece "The
>> Scream" and a second Munch painting from the walls as stunned visitors
>> watched in shock.
>>
>Hello Cupcake,
>Why not ask a ten year old to run up a copy and hang that.
>No one would know the difference.
>
i think yer right Colin -- there have been enough
fine copies of this masterpiece made over the years,
that the original will never be missed
Robert Epstein
Colin Hankin wrote:
> In message <ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net>, cupcake <t...@r.slrup>
> writes
>
>>
>> Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The Scream'
>> as Stunned Visitors Watch
>> By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
>> Published: Aug 22, 2004
>>
>>
>>
>> OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly guarded
>> Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch masterpiece "The
>> Scream" and a second Munch painting from the walls as stunned visitors
>> watched in shock.
>>
>
> Hello Cupcake,
> Why not ask a ten year old to run up a copy and hang that.
> No one would know the difference.
> ( I think that art should be pleasant to look at or at least demonstrate
> artistic skills - The Scream missed the mark on both counts.
> Good riddance.)
> TTFN
your understanding of art could fill a thimble....maybe....
regards,
robert
Lazarhat
> Robert Epstein <r.ep...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:412E5D24...@verizon.net:
>
> ziggy
Funny thing is that Monck painted 4 or 5 copies of 'The Scream' himself...
so it leaves one to wonder which copy was stolen?
-l
--
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"Freedom of choice is what you've got,
freedom from choice is what you want." - Devo
A Fool
> In message <ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net>, cupcake <t...@r.slrup>
> writes
> >
> >
> > Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The Scream'
> > as Stunned Visitors Watch
> > By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
> > Published: Aug 22, 2004
> >
> >
> >
> > OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly guarded
> > Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch masterpiece "The
> > Scream" and a second Munch painting from the walls as stunned visitors
> > watched in shock.
> >
> Hello Cupcake,
> Why not ask a ten year old to run up a copy and hang that.
> No one would know the difference.
> ( I think that art should be pleasant to look at or at least demonstrate
> artistic skills - The Scream missed the mark on both counts.
> Good riddance.)
> TTFN
I hear ya.
That black velvet painting of Elvis in yer living room looks a lot spiffier.
Evelyn Ruut
news:412E5D24...@verizon.net...
Art is personal Robert.
As an artist all my life, I have NEVER appreciated certain modern art
pieces, and I don't think it means the person has no "couth" it just means
they don't like that particular form of art.
Fortunately human beings have created some incredible wonderful works of art
over the years, and there is something for everyone to enjoy and appreciate.
I for one will not miss "the scream" but remember, there is just no
accounting for taste. Now if you told me that Monet's water lilies was
taken, I would be crying in the streets!
I live in an arts community and we are surrounded by all sorts of really
interesting art all the time around here. If I were to poll the local
artists in Woodstock, I am sure I would get a collection of as varying
opinions as has been spoken here.
Lazarhat
>
> ziggy
> Hi Ev!!
Funny... I was gonna say "One man's meat is Cupcake's buttplug..."
dt
> "Lazarhat" <lazarhat@burnt_crusty_bitsyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:10iso54...@corp.supernews.com:
> many! I bet they are peeved that the insurance would not cough up...
Yeah, it's like one of those places where after they sell you a
one-of-a-kind, they bring an identical one from the back. ;-)
Seriously, the stolen one was supposed to have been the "best" one of
the four, at least according to NPR.
And I always liked the painting myself.
DrWarrenKrugar
How can you bring such cold considerations as quality, expression and
aesthetics into this, Evelyn? It was one of the most famous paintings
in all of World history...
DrWarrenKrugar
...too shocked to scream?
Well isn't that a scream! What they didn't know was that they were
witnesses to performance art.
Looks as though he who screams last screams best.
Evelyn Ruut
news:3461dafe.04082...@posting.google.com...
I'm just an old fashioned girl, Warren.
LOL!
/*-9
"DrWarrenKrugar" <drwarre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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obviously *art* is in the eye of the beholder.
i've painted oil paintings for many years and sold
dozens of them and i think the painting that is
being discussed here is one of the worst displays
of so called talent that can be imagined
/*-9
"DrWarrenKrugar" <drwarre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3461dafe.04082...@posting.google.com...
scream on bubba.
if the last screamer holds significance
in your heart, perhaps we can hold a
memorial bbq in effigy for you and have
the world's first scream off
DrWarrenKrugar
>> > completely honest, if someone gave it to me for
>> > free I wouldn't hang it in my house.
>> > I think it is ugly.
>>
>> expression and aesthetics into this, Evelyn? It was one
>> of the most famous paintings in all of World history...
>
>obviously *art* is in the eye of the beholder.
>i've painted oil paintings for many years and sold
>dozens of them and i think the painting that is
>being discussed here is one of the worst displays
>of so called talent that can be imagined
Oh I don't know. I think it compares well to his other paintings which
seem to be quite stiff and stylized - but that's just my opinion. In
your critique of the work, Jan, I don't know whether you are talking
about execution or concept here but Munch appears to have hit upon an
archetype in putting this down, and has stumbled upon one of the art
history's most reproduced icons. (I have also done oil painting but
never approached this kind of commercial success).
There are four versions of Munch's best-known painting which is a sort
of ironic anticipation of logo art - and the commercial success of the
image itself which has appeared in cartoons, posters, advertising
material, mugs, T-shirts, mouse-pads, and inflatable dolls (ah that
open mouth!). Strangely, he was a total recluse and hated all contact
with the outside world.
The image always reminds me of a long-lost poem by Allen Ginzberg in
which wrote about screaming under the el train.
This is not the painting's first time out. It was stollen in 1994 and
offers were made to return it by opponents of abortion in exchange for
$1 million. Also a Lutheran minister said on radio that the painting
would be returned if national television broadcast "The Silent
Scream," a film showing a fetus being aborted. Apparently the police
share your sentiments about the painting, and expressed little public
interest in the offers. It seems everyone's a critic these days...
In Back Of The Real
Allen Ginsberg
railroad yard in San Jose
I wandered desolate
in front of a tank factory
and sat on a bench
near the switchman's shack.
A flower lay on the hay on
the asphalt highway
--the dread hay flower
I thought--It had a
brittle black stem and
corolla of yellowish dirty
spikes like Jesus' inchlong
crown, and a soiled
dry center cotton tuft
like a used shaving brush
that's been lying under
the garage for a year.
Yellow, yellow flower, and
flower of industry,
tough spiky ugly flower,
flower nonetheless,
with the form of the great yellow
Rose in your brain!
This is the flower of the World.
San Jose, 1954
/*-9
"DrWarrenKrugar" <drwarre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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munch's style leaves much to be desired
and his concept was chosen for the same
reason michael moore chooses his subject
matter, to simply get attention. i paint
what stirs my soul. right now i am doing
black and white portrait tone studies of young
nude girls. this brings the stirring, as such, to a
boil and magnifies the motivation for the
creative principle rather than relying on ego
aggrandizements due to how much attention
i might get for my creativity.
i never was too impressed by ginsberg
either. sat through one of his poetry/rant
performances once and after it was over
i wondered why i sat through the whole thing.
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]DrWarrenKrugar
> Date: 28 Aug 2004 04:44:32 -0700
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>"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message [10]news:<RV_Wc.109221>> [11]news:Xns9550775D...@130.133.1.4...
>> > cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in [12]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The
>> > > Scream'
>> > > as Stunned Visitors Watch
>> > > By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
>> > > Published: Aug 22, 2004
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly
>> > > guarded Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch
>> > > masterpiece "The Scream" and a second Munch painting from the
>> > > walls as stunned visitors watched in shock.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Someone advertised it on Ebay for 9 million yesterday! A joke of
>> > course but it was immeadiately removed. The insurance company have
>> > refused to pay out (alledgedly)as it is irreplaceable!
>> >
>> > ziggy
>>
>> Hi Zig,
>>
>> I am familiar with the painting, but to be completely honest, if someone
>> gave it to me for free I wouldn't hang it in my house. I think it is ugly.
>>
>
>How can you bring such cold considerations as quality, expression and
>aesthetics into this, Evelyn? It was one of the most famous paintings
>in all of World history...
>
well, coming from a common neanderthall like you,
i'm not surprised to see you say that
(how's the weather in Albuquerque?)
Evelyn Ruut
news:2pbkc7F...@uni-berlin.de...
The people who find that sort of art appealing, usually find the kind of art
I appreciate boring. I like realism, surrealism, impressionism, but cannot
stand most of so called "modern" art. Makes me laugh, thinking there is a
sucker born every minute, when I hear what some of that stuff is valued at.
cupcake
Evilrot rote:
>"/*-9" <mashu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>[12]news:2pbkc7F...@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>> "DrWarrenKrugar" <drwarre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> [13]news:3461dafe.04082...@posting.google.com...
>> > "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> [14]news:<RV_Wc.109221$4h7.15...@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
>> > > "ziggy" <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> > > [15]news:Xns9550775D...@130.133.1.4...
>> > > > cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in [16]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
i wudn't give yu a plug-nickle for anything yu've got
to say, yu dinged-out vajra dingbat
>--
>Regards,
> Evelyn
>
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]ziggy
> Date: 28 Aug 2004 18:44:35 GMT
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>cupcake <t...@r.slrup> Only went and said
>[8]news:b64Yc.141$i_4...@news.more.net:>>>[12][9]news:2pbkc7F...@uni-berlin.de...>>>> [13][10]news:3461dafe.04082...@posting.google.com...>>>> [14][11]news:<RV_Wc.109221$4h7.15...@twister.nyc.rr.com>...>>>> > > [15][12]news:Xns9550775D...@130.133.1.4...
>>>> > > > cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in
>>>> > > > [16][13]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
>I think you must've run out of insults, eh? roflmao Same ol', same
>ol'.......
>
>ziggy
Tibtan Vajrayanism is sinking in its own vast cesspool
of shit -- what's so funny, huh? -- i'm only
giving the play-by-play color commentary :)
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> From: ziggy <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com>
> Reply to: [1]ziggy
> Date: 28 Aug 2004 18:53:55 GMT
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>cupcake <t...@r.slrup> Only went and said
>
>>>
>>> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World
>history
>>> stolen by common
>>> neanderthals!
>>>
>>> From: ziggy <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com>
>>> Reply to: [1]ziggy
>>> Date: 28 Aug 2004 18:44:35 GMT
>>> Newsgroups:
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>>>cupcake <t...@r.slrup> Only went and said
>>>>>> > > > cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in
>>>>>> > > > [16][13][14]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
>> of shit -- what's so funny, huh? -- i'm only
>> giving the play-by-play color commentary :)
>>
>>
>> bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>> ha!
>>
>
>
>bedtime though,
>love
>ziggy
>
well, fine... -- then, tell yer jerkoff Vajra guru
i said hi, then, 'kay
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> From: ziggy <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com>
> Reply to: [1]ziggy
> Date: 28 Aug 2004 19:36:32 GMT
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>cupcake <t...@r.slrup> Only went and said
>
>>>
>>> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history
>>> stolen by common
>>> neanderthals!
>>>
>>> From: ziggy <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com>
>>> Reply to: [1]ziggy
>>> Date: 28 Aug 2004 18:53:55 GMT
>>> Newsgroups:
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>>>cupcake <t...@r.slrup> Only went and said
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World
>>>history
>>>>> stolen by common
>>>>> neanderthals!
>>>>>
>>>>> From: ziggy <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com>
>>>>> Reply to: [1]ziggy
>>>>> Date: 28 Aug 2004 18:44:35 GMT
>>>>> Newsgroups:
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>>>>>cupcake <t...@r.slrup> Only went and said
>>>>>>>> > > > cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in
>>>>>>>> > > > [16][13][14][15]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
>don't bite...If they do it'll be curtains for them! ~;0D
>
maybe yu cud visualize a big juicy Vajra butt hole
to lay yer tongue onto, 'kay
Evelyn Ruut
But you read EVERY single word I write. Now that's love
Kiss kiss
Bwhahahahahaha
Evelyn Ruut
> "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> Only went and said
> news:jV3Yc.2569$as.3...@twister.nyc.rr.com:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/533cd
>
> ziggy ~;0D
That's a hoot! If it could be mistaken for garbage, it probably deserved
the trash bin.
cupcake
EvilRot rote:
>"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
>[8]news:b64Yc.141$i_4...@news.more.net...
>>
>> Evilrot rote:
>>
>> >"/*-9" <mashu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> >[12][9]news:2pbkc7F...@uni-berlin.de...
>> >>
>> >> "DrWarrenKrugar" <drwarre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> [13][10]news:3461dafe.04082...@posting.google.com...
>> >> > "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >> [14][11]news:<RV_Wc.109221$4h7.15...@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
>> >> > > "ziggy" <ziggyso...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> >> > > [15][12]news:Xns9550775D...@130.133.1.4...
>> >> > > > cupcake <t...@r.slrup> wrote in
>[16][13]news:ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net:
i have orders from the High Command to keep a close
eye out on yu Vajras (and dispatch our operatives
in real-time, on the ground, to take an even closer
look, whenever necessary)
(and lemme tell yu, -- Pema in Long Beach,
from these photos i'm looking at, right now,
is looking pretty damned good! :) ;)
KittyP
Ok -I can't handle this conversation anymore.
Before I kill it - I'm thinking one might consider
three things:
1) If young nude girls stir the soul, one might
consider exploring one's pedophilia potential
(although whatever one paints that stirs them is
often just part of the artistic process-and neither
negative or positive).
2) Comments on other people's motives for
their art is a useless occupation unless one
actually knows what the artist is trying to
express. Surmising is an illusion. All one can
do is express what one likes and dislikes.
3) Deciding whether art is good or not depending
on whether it matches one's couch is ok - but
not particularly enlightening about the process.
Kitty
DrWarrenKrugar
That comment is more self-serving than accurate. Munch apparently
couldn't have cared less about "ego aggrandizements due to how much
attention [he] might get for [his] creativity." He was a tortured
individual who poured out his heart into his work and subsequently
isolated himself from the world, refusing to even exhibit his works
which he regarded as highly personal and described as his "family".
> i never was too impressed by ginsberg
> either. sat through one of his poetry/rant
> performances once and after it was over
> i wondered why i sat through the whole thing.
Perhaps it would have broken Ginsburg's heart to have been one of the
most influential poets of all time but not to have impressed Jan.
This does not mean that I am resorting to an "appeal to popularity"
argument to justify the position that Ginsberg should impress you. If
"man is the measure of all things", then there is no need for everyone
to respond to things in the same manner. It is natural to expect
personal discriminations and biases to color perception.
However, there is also an appreciation that overreaches subjective
limitations, when personal judgements can be set aside. I often find
that this is a good way to challenge myself to expand the capacity of
my heart and mind:
good and bad alike
roll them both into one ball
wrap it up in paper
then toss it out-forget it all."
- master bankei
/*-9
"KittyP" <kitty...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> 1) If young nude girls stir the soul, one might
> consider exploring one's pedophilia potential
okay. be back later after i explore.
/*-9
"DrWarrenKrugar" <drwarre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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does your addiction to accuracy
bleed you an envelope in which
your ostracizing agendas can facilitate
a tepid and tempest shyed servicing
to the miasma that your abject cacophony
of rabid and obtuse insights can flavor for
none other than yourself?
Robert Epstein
Evelyn Ruut wrote:
> "Robert Epstein" <r.ep...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:412E5D24...@verizon.net...
>
>>
>>Colin Hankin wrote:
>>
>>>In message <ErdWc.104$i_4....@news.more.net>, cupcake <t...@r.slrup>
>>>writes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thieves in Norway Brazenly Grab Munch's Famous Painting 'The Scream'
>>>> as Stunned Visitors Watch
>>>> By Kristian Kahrs Associated Press Writer
>>>> Published: Aug 22, 2004
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OSLO, Norway (AP) - Armed, masked thieves burst into a lightly guarded
>>>> Oslo museum Sunday and snatched the Edvard Munch masterpiece "The
>>>> Scream" and a second Munch painting from the walls as stunned visitors
>>>> watched in shock.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Cupcake,
>>>Why not ask a ten year old to run up a copy and hang that.
>>>No one would know the difference.
>>>( I think that art should be pleasant to look at or at least demonstrate
>>>artistic skills - The Scream missed the mark on both counts.
>>>Good riddance.)
>>>TTFN
>>
>>your understanding of art could fill a thimble....maybe....
>>
>>regards,
>>robert
>
>
>
>
> Art is personal Robert.
>
> As an artist all my life, I have NEVER appreciated certain modern art
> pieces, and I don't think it means the person has no "couth" it just means
> they don't like that particular form of art.
oh, absolutely, I have no argument with someone not liking something,
but there's a difference between saying something's not to your taste
and saying it's not art.
To say that "I think art should be pleasant to look at" really is a call
for decorative art. If fine art had that definition, it would leave all
the great modern artists out, from Picasso to Francis Bacon. In my
opinion, that particular comment is just ignorant, and shows no
knowledge of the history of art or what art is defined as by anyone who
practices it professionally. If he were to say "I only like art that is
pleasant to look at" then I would say "Well that's his taste" but that's
not what he said.
> Fortunately human beings have created some incredible wonderful works of art
> over the years, and there is something for everyone to enjoy and appreciate.
> I for one will not miss "the scream" but remember, there is just no
> accounting for taste.
To me, it's not just whether one wants to look at the scream or not or
will miss it, but what it means and the moment it represents in the
history of art and the world. If all one looks to is aesthetics and not
to meaning then art has lost a lot of its importance. Munch's cry took
place in a historical moment of which it was a particularly rich
expression. I don't enjoy looking at it myself, but that's not what it
is there for.
Now if you told me that Monet's water lilies was
> taken, I would be crying in the streets!
My view of art is less local than what I like to look at.
> I live in an arts community and we are surrounded by all sorts of really
> interesting art all the time around here. If I were to poll the local
> artists in Woodstock, I am sure I would get a collection of as varying
> opinions as has been spoken here.
Of course, but that has little to do for me with what is important about
Munch. Again, it's beyond personal taste from my point of view. It's
about history and its expression.
Robert
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]Robert Epstein
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:44:08 GMT
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> [10]<LNtXc.25072$Ot3....@twister.nyc.rr.com>>> [11]news:412E5D24...@verizon.net...
well, yu never did say if yu like "The Scream" or not,
yu little fuck wit
> Robert
>
Robert Epstein
I don't "like" it, but I do enjoy the understanding and emotional tone
that I get out of looking at it. Is that convoluted enough for you or
should I be more detailed?
robert
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> From: Robert Epstein <r.ep...@verizon.net>
> Reply to: [1]Robert Epstein
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:05:48 GMT
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>
>cupcake wrote:
>>>Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
>>> neanderthals!
>>>
>>> From: Robert Epstein <r.ep...@verizon.net>
>>> Reply to: [1]Robert Epstein
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:44:08 GMT
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>>>
>>>
>>>Evelyn Ruut wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Robert Epstein" <r.ep...@verizon.net> wrote in message
yer an asshole: what more can we expect of yu?
> robert
>
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]cupcake
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:08:04 GMT
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oh, and btw, there is no doubt whatsoever that
Picasso stole Munch's image and used it as the
central idea in his "Guernica"
(unless, of course yer into cows :)
>
>> robert
>>
cupcake
>
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> From: cupcake <t...@r.slrup>
> Reply to: [1]cupcake
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:28:33 GMT
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>>
>> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
>> neanderthals!
>>
>> From: cupcake <t...@r.slrup>
>> Reply to: [1]cupcake
>> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:08:04 GMT
>> Newsgroups:
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>>>
>>>>>>[11][8][7][7]news:412E5D24...@verizon.net...
though, i cocede that Munch got a lot of his
brush strokes from van Gogh's "Starry Night" :)
>
>>
>>> robert
>>>
tara
(in article <41315ECE...@verizon.net>):
Yes Robert!! All that you said here is true. And I'm glad that you said it.
Fine Art is not about whether it is liked or not it's about recognition and
appreciation of the "Fine Art" that it is. Unfortunately it's always been
the case that not many have eyes to see.
Tara
Robert Epstein
We are not trained to look at things for their importance, but for
whether we like them or not. Art is about "taste" because it has been
reduced to a recreational function. Great Art has the capacity to move
and transform people, and most of it is not very pleasant. There are
some very pretty van Goghs but if you look at it closely instead of as
window dressing they are very disturbing and show the workings of an
unstable mind which yet is grasping at the beauty of reality. The light
of reality that falls from that work is as beautiful as the light of a
Vermeer, but in a different way. van Gogh's self portrait once looked
at me and knocked me back several steps. The energy in that thing is
alive. Alive, I tell you!! ha ha. Art does so many things, from the
historical to the spiritual. We should be studying it as a prime
subject in our schools instead of a second-tier side activity. The
Greeks understood the importance of art and music, why don't we?
Scientists have shown that someone who plays music automatically learns
certain math skills, because it codes and structures the brain in
special ways. Stand before a Picasso and see how it restructures your
perception if you take the time to scan it and "live" with it a bit.
But most people are only interested in whether art makes them feel good
on first contact.
Robert
Robert Epstein
your knowledge of art could fill a thimble....maybe!
robert
Robert Epstein
oh, what a pleasant yawn I just had...keep talking....
robert
tara
(in article <413228FA...@verizon.net>):
So good to hear the truth Robert. And I can relate to everything you say,
specially how the van Gogh knocked you back with the energy of it and the
ALIVEness of great art. It's timeless because it's the ultimate and highest
expression of all that we are in whatever form it is expressed. HA HA HA,
yes! Lifts us up out of ourselves and at the same time allows us to really
see ourselves. The heart soars and your butt is on the floor. Boy do we need
to be re-educated about fine art in the western world.
Thanks,
Taraa
tara
(in article <0001HW.BD57BBDB...@news1.on.sympatico.ca>):
First we need to teach kids/people how to look. It's how we look that
determines what we see.
Ahhh, god, I so wish this would happen.
Anyway, keep the faith dear Robert.
To "Art".
lv
Tara
>
>
Robert Epstein
Good to talk to you about this Tara. And nice to talk about it away
from some of the silliness of apz, although that is still "home." You
know what they say: home is where the dysfunctional family is.
Hm....absfg, the Buddhist vacation spot on usenet. ha ha!
robert
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]Robert Epstein
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:54:23 GMT
> Newsgroups:
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>> brush strokes from van Gogh's "Starry Night" :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>robert
>
>your knowledge of art could fill a thimble....maybe!
>
gosh, and here i thought i was saying some thought
provoking stuff... -- maybe i ought'a juzt stick
to Stream Entry, huh
> robert
>
norbu_tragri
Munch did some o.k. stuff, speaking as a highly critical current day
artist, but the screeeeeem wasn't in the stuff worth keeping.
"Art Historians", bless their
verbal-blah-blindfold-tenure-securing-bs, made that "Home Alone"
throwaway canvas into a masterpiece in that they saw it as an
historical predecessor to later painting that examined human anxiety,
suffering, etc, esp in the soon to follow "Expressionist"
school...(and the Holy "Abstract Expressionist" non-movement <"Let's
lump all these artists together..."> However, the roots of
Expressionism are in Egon Shiele and various other "Symbolist"
artists...The "Skkrrrrreeeeemmmm" is hardly fine art, more of a joke,
and has no real historical import.
How much would -you- pay for it? Would you give it the place og honor
in your living room or bedroom?
Maybe yu might look at some of Munch's other paintings...he's prolly
thank yu from the grave not to have left thinking that clown face was
all he was about...
- n.
Evelyn Ruut
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> >
Actually I found your comments very thought provoking, Petie, especially
about the similarities in style of the various painters.
Evelyn Ruut
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I agree, Norbu.
A funny tale to tell along those lines.
One day while I was in art class, (we had all our desks put together so we
faced each other like it was a big table). I was bored and didn't know
what to paint that day. We were using watercolors. A kid next to me said
"why don't you paint a scary dragon that eats people" so I said "like
this?" and I sketched a dragon. The entire table got in on it and I
painted and drew what they all suggested, placing our scary sharp toothed
dragon in a dungeon, with a big chain on its foot, and bloody bones at its
feet. It was sort of fun, but nothing like I would ever draw for myself.
We all had a good laugh about it.
A couple of years later I found THAT stupid thing in my "file" in my school
records. I tried to explain that it wasn't at all exemplary of the art I
did, nor was it my style or my idea and that it was a group thing with the
other kids at the table all making suggestions on how to make it more scary
etc. etc. But that stupid thing is probably STILL in my school files from
way back when. Just goes to show you that people often mistake the aim of
an artist when they painted some particular thing.
As an artist myself, I am aware that very often we paint to please others,
for something to sell, for something that we are experimenting with. We
experiment with subject matter, with styles, with different media. The
duds we keep in the attic and never want anyone to see them. Seems that
was also the case with The Scream. He may have been mortified if he knew
that it is how his art is now defined, and that it is what people associate
with his name.
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]"Evelyn Ruut"
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:42:14 GMT
> Organization: Road Runner - NYC
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>"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
actually, i think Vincent did his "Starry Night"
in 1890 and Munch his "Scream" in 1893, so, it's
interesting that the "new style" was propagated
so rapidly for the times and distance
(don't forget that Albert Einstein stole all
of his ideas about Relativity from his
peers of the time :)
and, all he did was simply synthesize
all of the information into a coherent
picture :)
David Kotschessa
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Evelyn Ruut wrote:
> One day while I was in art class, (we had all our desks put together so we
> faced each other like it was a big table). I was bored and didn't know
> what to paint that day. We were using watercolors. A kid next to me said
> "why don't you paint a scary dragon that eats people" so I said "like
> this?" and I sketched a dragon. The entire table got in on it and I
> painted and drew what they all suggested, placing our scary sharp toothed
> dragon in a dungeon, with a big chain on its foot, and bloody bones at its
> feet. It was sort of fun, but nothing like I would ever draw for myself.
> We all had a good laugh about it.
>
> A couple of years later I found THAT stupid thing in my "file" in my school
> records. I tried to explain that it wasn't at all exemplary of the art I
> did, nor was it my style or my idea and that it was a group thing with the
> other kids at the table all making suggestions on how to make it more scary
> etc. etc. But that stupid thing is probably STILL in my school files from
> way back when. Just goes to show you that people often mistake the aim of
> an artist when they painted some particular thing.
Oh, no, the dreaded PERMANANT RECORD! PERMANANT RECORD...permanant
record...
> As an artist myself, I am aware that very often we paint to please others,
> for something to sell, for something that we are experimenting with. We
> experiment with subject matter, with styles, with different media. The
> duds we keep in the attic and never want anyone to see them. Seems that
> was also the case with The Scream. He may have been mortified if he knew
> that it is how his art is now defined, and that it is what people associate
> with his name.
Don't forget poor Ravel with his Bolero.... I am just as guilty as
most people for asociating him with that composition, as I can't find
another work of his in my memory. I'll take a dragon over that beast
any time.
David Kotschessa
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, cupcake wrote:
> (don't forget that Albert Einstein stole all
> of his ideas about Relativity from his
> peers of the time :)
>
> and, all he did was simply synthesize
> all of the information into a coherent
> picture :)
>
There's an interesting book I read once called "Art and Physics." It kind
of suggests that not only were these theories swapped and stolen between
scientists, but that the scientists got their ideas from the art of the
time. It's one of those interesting ideas you can't prove or disprove but
it's fun to think about for awhile...
/*-9
"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
> >
> (don't forget that Albert Einstein stole all
> of his ideas about Relativity from his
> peers of the time :)
>
> and, all he did was simply synthesize
> all of the information into a coherent
> picture :)
and edison stole all his ideas from
nickolai tesla.
so what else is new and improved?
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]"/*-9"
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:16:35 -0400
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>"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
>> >
>> (don't forget that Albert Einstein stole all
>> of his ideas about Relativity from his
>> peers of the time :)
>>
>> and, all he did was simply synthesize
>> all of the information into a coherent
>> picture :)
>
>and edison stole all his ideas from
>nickolai tesla.
>
actually, Tesla actually worked in Edison's lab (early on),
and Edison rejected Tesla's "alternating current electric
system" and kicked Tesla the hell out of his lab! --
a few years later, George Westinghouse picked up on Tesla and his
"alternating current ideas" and installed the first modern
electric generating station in Niagra Falls :)
(and Edison's "DC system" went down in history as
a total flop :)
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"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
edison's scientists also played with
radioactivity without knowing what it was
and some got sick from it and some died
we need less edisons and more owsleys.
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
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>"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
>> >
>> > Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by
>common
>> > neanderthals!
>> >
>> > From: "/*-9" <mashu...@netzero.net>
>> > Reply to: [1]"/*-9"
>> > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:16:35 -0400
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>> >"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> (don't forget that Albert Einstein stole all
>> >> of his ideas about Relativity from his
>> >> peers of the time :)
>> >>
>> >> and, all he did was simply synthesize
>> >> all of the information into a coherent
>> >> picture :)
>> >
>> >and edison stole all his ideas from
>> >nickolai tesla.
>> >
>>
>> actually, Tesla actually worked in Edison's lab (early on),
>> and Edison rejected Tesla's "alternating current electric
>> system" and kicked Tesla the hell out of his lab! --
>> a few years later, George Westinghouse picked up on Tesla and his
>> "alternating current ideas" and installed the first modern
>> electric generating station in Niagra Falls :)
>>
>> (and Edison's "DC system" went down in history as
>> a total flop :)
>
>edison's scientists also played with
>radioactivity without knowing what it was
>and some got sick from it and some died
>
all the boneheads who were playing with radium, during
the eary 20th century, were a worldwide disaster area
(Madam Currie included!)
>we need less edisons and more owsleys.
>
Edison was the world's biggest bonehead --
he had a bear-trap mind
(and he stole most of his ideas from his very
hard working and creative lab workers)
Evelyn Ruut
He was also known to be a curmudgeon.
As a young girl my grandmother was his bookkeeper (before she got married to
my grandfather).
cupcake
> Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by common
> neanderthals!
>
> Reply to: [1]"Evelyn Ruut"
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:14:01 GMT
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>"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
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>> > Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen by
>common
>> > neanderthals!
>> >
>> > From: "/*-9" <mashu...@netzero.net>
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>> >> >
>> >> > Re: One of the most famous paintings in all of World history stolen
>by
>> >common
>> >> > neanderthals!
>> >> >
>> >> > From: "/*-9" <mashu...@netzero.net>
>> >> > Reply to: [1]"/*-9"
>> >> > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:16:35 -0400
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>> >> >"cupcake" <t...@r.slrup> wrote in message
yes, the modern term for that is: asshole! :)
David Kotschessa
I keep forgetting Evelyn that you are one of the more chronologically
gifted among us. (I mean that nicely, really!)
Evelyn Ruut
news:2004083011...@meniscus.d0nuts.org...
I am going to be 63 in September.
(but I am still a "hottie" according to my main man :-)
George W. Cherry
"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:vSHYc.27703$Ot3....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
Why, you're just a kid, Evelyn. If I had had
sex with my 8th grade teacher, I could have
been the daddy of one of your cohorts.
George
David Kotschessa
For some reason I thought you were older (from another post, I thought),
but the thing is, I am always forgetting and thinking you're my age!
Somehow you must have some youthefl properties that come across even on
usenet. hehe That's all the hot I need! {rrreeow} ;-)
David Kotschessa
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, George W. Cherry wrote:
>
> "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-l...@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> I am going to be 63 in September.
>
> Why, you're just a kid, Evelyn. If I had had
> sex with my 8th grade teacher, I could have
> been the daddy of one of your cohorts.
Dad???
;)
Evelyn Ruut
message news:ZnIYc.4345$_g7.1434@attbi_s52...
Hell yeah, George! I keep telling that to everyone!
>If I had had
> sex with my 8th grade teacher, I could have
> been the daddy of one of your cohorts.
But back then, if that had happened, it wouldn't have put her in jail :-)
Evelyn Ruut
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> "George W. Cherry" <GWCherryHatesG...@alum.mit.edu> Only
> went and said news:ZnIYc.4345$_g7.1434@attbi_s52:
>
> ziggy
It's the truth, Zig. Hey, the years just keep flying by! The good part
about being 63 is I am finally getting to get social security!
Evelyn Ruut
Hee hee! Keeping a good sense of humor, an open mind, and treating all
people (whether they are little kids or old, old folks) with respect is the
secret to a youthful manner.
I really feel that I have no age.
David Kotschessa
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Evelyn Ruut wrote:
> "David Kotschessa" <da...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:2004083012...@meniscus.d0nuts.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I keep forgetting Evelyn that you are one of the more chronologically
>>>> gifted among us. (I mean that nicely, really!)
>>>
>>>
>>> I am going to be 63 in September.
>>>
>>> (but I am still a "hottie" according to my main man :-)
>>
>> For some reason I thought you were older (from another post, I thought),
>> but the thing is, I am always forgetting and thinking you're my age!
>> Somehow you must have some youthefl properties that come across even on
>> usenet. hehe That's all the hot I need! {rrreeow} ;-)
>
>
> Hee hee! Keeping a good sense of humor, an open mind, and treating all
> people (whether they are little kids or old, old folks) with respect is the
> secret to a youthful manner.
>
> I really feel that I have no age.
> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Still waiting for Cuppie's chime in on all this... You know I almost look
forward to them now. lol
Bill Pfeifer
>
> Still waiting for Cuppie's chime in on all this... You know I almost look
> forward to them now. lol
Is he still an anti-vajrayani bigot?
I killfiled him quite a while ago. Wonder if he mellowed.
David Kotschessa
I unkillfiled him to ask him exactly what his vajra-whatever obsession was
all about. He didn't answer... But I started to take his posts in a
different light and find them entertaining. I hear this little voice when
I read them... You know those little doggies that yap-yap-yap and bite
your ankles? Well imagine if they could talk... To me that's what cuppie
sounds like. it's like this tiny little voice going apeshit about nothing
particularly important. Really pretty funny... Kind of Joe Peschi
funny... That's it. Like Cuppie is this chubby little anti-vajra mafia
dude who calls somebody a name and stabs them with a pencil...
But yeah, he still says vajra-this vajra-that in reference to anything he
doesn't like. I don't know enough about vajra-this or vajra-that to even
know whether it's something I'm for or against. I still would like for
him to tell me exactly what the problem is.
Evelyn Ruut
You are beginning to see the light..... That is the best way to view him.
As for what it is that he is against, there are certain people who dispute
the validity of vajrayana teachings. They only accept the original Pali
Canon and what we call Theravada Buddhism (sometimes erroneously referred to
as "hinayana") and regard all else as .....well you know what Petie says.
I believe that all the paths lead to the mountain top, and that all the
buddhist traditions have value and can lead you to enlightenment. The
reason I believe this is because buddhism is realizational, not something
you can learn or practice, though knowledge and practices can have value in
a transitional sense.
I have met Zen teachers who were incredible and I have met Lamas who were
also incredible. They were this way because of their realizations, not the
tradition they belonged to. No single religion or tradition owns the
principle of enlightenment. I believe it is a principle the Buddha himself
discovered, or perhaps more correctly, uncovered.
But hey.... what do I know, anyway..........:-)
tara
>>
>> First we need to teach kids/people how to look. It's how we look that
>> determines what we see.
>>
>> Ahhh, god, I so wish this would happen.
>>
>> Anyway, keep the faith dear Robert.
>>
>> To "Art".
>>
>> lv
>>
>> Tara
>
> Good to talk to you about this Tara. And nice to talk about it away
> from some of the silliness of apz, although that is still "home." You
> know what they say: home is where the dysfunctional family is.
> Hm....absfg, the Buddhist vacation spot on usenet. ha ha!
ha ha! :)
tara
>
> robert
>
Bill Pfeifer
I hear you.
I just got tired of his constant negativity.
You're right, he's just like one of our neighbor's ankle-biter dogs.
After a while, I just close the window.
David Kotschessa
My journey through Buddhism has been fascinating but along the way I have
been disappointed to find such petty quarelling going on. Different paths
and sects and factions and whatever the hell you want to call them. Like
the naive high school girl who realizes that the nerdy guy she met in the
book store was just as much of a jerk as Johnny Football I sometimes
sadly look at buddhism yelling "BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE DIFFERENT!!" I
thought only those other "religions" did all that stuff. But oh well,
it's the people involved, not Buddhisim "itself."
But I think you are right about the realizations, which I think come about
through practice and not through scholarship. I am only now really
reading about Buddhism (found a book on sale, lol) but when I get tired of
the bullshit I can always do zazen, and there is no bullshit there.