A message from Beth
Messer Xin
To the attendance deities: I can't post, I can only read. I
haven't disappeared.
Beth
--
|Xin|
Being a Buddhist violates many of the fundamental
tenets of Buddhism. (And every basis of Zen.) -- Ned
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Beth
Messer Xin wrote:
> Thus spake Beth from New Hampshire:
>
> To the attendance deities: I can't post, I can only read. I
> haven't disappeared.
>
> Beth
>
>
Guess I spoke to soon. Turns out the problem was the fact that I
had two news servers and the send kept trying to send to the
defunct one, rather than the good one. After removing the
defunct one, everything works now
--
Beth
KirstenBayesNntp
>Guess I spoke to soon. Turns out the problem was the fact that I
>had two news servers and the send kept trying to send to the
>defunct one, rather than the good one. After removing the
>defunct one, everything works now
Hooray! Being able to read and not post would be like a Kafka-esque nightmare.
Except without, you know, people turning into giant insects and stuff.
Best wishes
Kirsten
Rob Young
> Messer Xin wrote:
>
> > Thus spake Beth from New Hampshire:
> >
> > To the attendance deities: I can't post, I can only read. I
> > haven't disappeared.
> Guess I spoke to soon. Turns out the problem was the fact that I
> had two news servers and the send kept trying to send to the
> defunct one, rather than the good one. After removing the
> defunct one, everything works now
!?!???!?!!!!!
Where did that voice come from? Surely it cannot be Beth,
for she cannot post,
she can only read.
She has not disappeared.
Perhaps this is merely a test. I think we should ignore it.
Your Eternal Source of Joy and Compassion
Rob
p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
Ned Ludd
news:e3efdc0d.02032...@posting.google.com...
>
> Your Eternal Source of Joy and Compassion
> Rob
> p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
>
She doesn't have to be nice, she just has to be nicer than you.
Ned
Sphere
Being able to post but not read
would be like, well, normal.
>
> Best wishes
> Kirsten
--
Sphere.
"I guess my point is: Don't hate Buddhists in particular. Hate
everybody, in general." -- Rob Young
DTilson
>
> p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
Mean, if she's been trained right, monkeyboy. ;-)
Hey, you take a long hiatus like that, all kindsa people are gonna show
up. Including some of us who lurked (I could only read, not post!) back
in '94-95.
Nice to meetcha, welcome back, etc.
Dale
KirstenBayesNntp
>Being able to post but not read
>would be like, well, normal.
For those of us who use AOL, that is definitely true.
Best wishes
Kirsten
Rob Young
Well, as long as she is not more enlightened than me, we should get along fine.
I mean, it's not like this is some big popularity contest. Is it?
Hiya, Ned!
Your Eternal Source of Compassion and Joy
Rob
Rob Young
Hello, Dale! It is a pleasure to meet you!
He could only read,
he could not post.
He did not disappear.
Your appearance therefore gives me great confidence in the existent
nature of things. You seem like a solid guy, unlike these folks who
have a Self but do not exist.
Ned Ludd
news:e3efdc0d.02032...@posting.google.com...
>
>>> Your Eternal Source of Joy and Compassion
>>> Rob
>>> p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
>>>
>>
>> She doesn't have to be nice, she just has to be nicer than you.
>
> get along fine. I mean, it's not like this is some big popularity
> contest. Is it?
>
Not at all. You're averaging about a 9.1 so far.
Ned
Sphere
I'm trying my best to be sympathetic.
Of course, att&t's newsserver has been wedged
since noon....
I'm thinking of demanding a rebate for the
outage.
>
> Best wishes
> Kirsten
PKHarvey
<d.ti...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
>Rob Young wrote:
>>
>> p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
>
She might...if you ask her just right.
P.K.
KirstenBayesNntp
spher...@attbi.com (Sphere) writes:
>> For those of us who use AOL, that is definitely true.
>
>I'm trying my best to be sympathetic.
I like using bourgeois information technology. I use Windows and Microsoft
Office too. I view it as using the tools of the oppressors against them.
My friends Mr. van Rossum, Mr Wall and Messrs Kernigan and Ritchie are the
guardians of my liberty :)
Best wishes
Kirsten
KirstenBayesNntp
(Rob Young) writes:
>Well, as long as she is not more enlightened than me, we should get along
>fine.
>
I like this one.
Have him washed and stripped and brought to my tent!
Best wishes
Kirsten
Rob Young
OK I need someone who is NOT a Buddhist to place a normative value on
this statement. I mean, I don't need someone to say, "A swan flying
over the lake at sunrise" if I've just been put on this evening's
menu.
On the other hand, this Kirsten seems like a fairly clever one -- her
posts have a certain ring to them. So perhaps I will answer this
summons.
Pretending, of course, that I have a choice.
How come everyone around here gets to have Free Will except me????
Your Eternal Source of Joy and Compassion
Rob
"my self is more no than your self"
Sphere
--
Sphere.
"I guess my point is: Don't hate Buddhists in particular. Hate
everybody, in general." -- Rob Young
"I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
Sphere
Rob Young wrote:
>
> kirstenb...@aol.com (KirstenBayesNntp) wrote in message news:<20020321025422...@mb-mk.aol.com>...
> > In article <e3efdc0d.02032...@posting.google.com>, ape...@oz.net
> > (Rob Young) writes:
> >
> > >Well, as long as she is not more enlightened than me, we should get along
> > >fine.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I like this one.
> >
> > Have him washed and stripped and brought to my tent!
>
> OK I need someone who is NOT a Buddhist to place a normative value on
> this statement. I mean, I don't need someone to say, "A swan flying
> over the lake at sunrise" if I've just been put on this evening's
> menu.
>
> On the other hand, this Kirsten seems like a fairly clever one -- her
> posts have a certain ring to them. So perhaps I will answer this
> summons.
>
> Pretending, of course, that I have a choice.
Pretend all you want. Take off your clothes,
and get ready for the cold water.
>
> How come everyone around here gets to have Free Will except me????
Don't you remember selling it to Mara?
>
> Your Eternal Source of Toy and Confusion
> Rob
> "my self is more no than your self"
--
DTilson
It's a facade. I'm actually a 23-year-old supermodel; you've seen my
work, I'm sure. On the internet, I claim to be a short fat
49.9315-year-old man, to avoid all my fans.
Dale
DTilson
Ok, Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do.
Who the heck are *those* guys?
Dale
Sphere
KirstenBayesNntp wrote:
>
> In article <97dcee8d.02032...@posting.google.com>,
> spher...@attbi.com (Sphere) writes:
>
> >> For those of us who use AOL, that is definitely true.
> >
> >I'm trying my best to be sympathetic.
>
> I like using bourgeois information technology. I use Windows and Microsoft
> Office too. I view it as using the tools of the oppressors against them.
Too bad there isn't any real alternative to
Word...
>
> My friends Mr. van Rossum, Mr Wall and Messrs Kernigan and Ritchie are the
> guardians of my liberty :)
Holy War time!
Certain unnamed formatting styles are about
the worst possible. Get those fucking
braces out there and line the damn things
up!
(And BTW, Emacs might be a nice place to
live, but it's Hell to visit. You have
to know the person who wrote any given
feature personally -- even intimately --
or you've got no chance of figuring out
which finger fits in what hole.)
>
> Best wishes
> Kirsten
Beth
Rob Young wrote:
Well, I think I'm nice, but then I'm biased :-)
--
Beth
Beth
PKHarvey wrote:
bwahahahaha
--
Beth
Rob Young
First this:
>>>p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
>>>
>
> She might...if you ask her just right.
>
> P.K.
>
>bwahahahaha
Then this:
> > p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
> >
>
> Well, I think I'm nice, but then I'm biased :-)
...thinking: Clearly this Beth has both a nice-to-apeking nature, and
a kind of scary mean-to-apeking nature. That was certainly a scary
laugh when asked about being mean. However, if she is biased towards
being nice, perhaps I can take advantage of her niceness. Hm. I think
I can manipulate this situation to my own ends. I just hope they don't
start talking in poetry again. Sphere has confirmed my suspicion that
when they do that, they are talking about me behind my back.
Your Eternal Source of Joy and Compassion
Rob
Sphere
Dancing meadows waltz
'cross the malingering plain
Of secret writings.
>
> Your Eternal Source of Joy and Compassion
> Rob
> "my self is more no than your self"
--
Sphere.
Beth
Rob Young wrote:
Hi!
I have posted to absfg for a few years (first post 12/98), must
have been after you left? Just a gal, not a buddhist.
Later
--
Beth
Rob Young
> Hi!
Hiyers!
> I have posted to absfg for a few years (first post 12/98), must
> have been after you left? Just a gal, not a buddhist.
>
> Later
Sometimes I talk like a buddhist to get within arm's reach of that big
pile of bananas. Yummmmm. But it is a pleasure to meet you. Do you
have a self?
Your Eternal Source of Compassion and Joy
Beth
Rob Young wrote:
> Beth <ejel...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<3C9A94E...@netscape.net>...
>
>>Hi!
>>
>
> Hiyers!
>
>
>>I have posted to absfg for a few years (first post 12/98), must
>>have been after you left? Just a gal, not a buddhist.
>>
>>Later
>>
>
> Sometimes I talk like a buddhist to get within arm's reach of that big
> pile of bananas. Yummmmm. But it is a pleasure to meet you. Do you
> have a self?
I don't know yet, I'm still researching :-)
--
Beth
DTilson
>
> Rob Young wrote:
> >
> > Beth <ejel...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<3C9A1140...@netscape.net>...
> >
> > First this:
> >
> > >>>p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
> > >>>
> > >
> > > She might...if you ask her just right.
> > >
> > > P.K.
> > >
> >
> > >bwahahahaha
> >
> > Then this:
> >
> > > > p.s. who is Beth anyway? Is she nice, or will she be mean to me?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I think I'm nice, but then I'm biased :-)
> >
> > ...thinking: Clearly this Beth has both a nice-to-apeking nature, and
> > a kind of scary mean-to-apeking nature. That was certainly a scary
> > laugh when asked about being mean. However, if she is biased towards
> > being nice, perhaps I can take advantage of her niceness. Hm. I think
> > I can manipulate this situation to my own ends. I just hope they don't
> > start talking in poetry again. Sphere has confirmed my suspicion that
> > when they do that, they are talking about me behind my back.
>
> Dancing meadows waltz
> 'cross the malingering plain
> Of secret writings.
There once was an apeking named Rob,
"Source of Joy and Compassion" his job,
Sphere confirmed his suspicion
So I be he's just wishin'...
...
...
...
...
...
...That I'd finish this damn poem, so he can see what I'm gonna say
about him, and what I'm gonna rhyme with "Rob" and "job", but I won't, I
won't I say, and you can't make me, so there!
Dale
PKHarvey
>Sometimes I talk like a buddhist to get within arm's reach of that big
>pile of bananas. Yummmmm. But it is a pleasure to meet you. Do you
>have a self?
>
Hmmmmm. There's a thought. Plantain polenta. How about it Rob? Aversion and
attachment in the same bowl.
P.K.
Sphere
A peking duckling
On a platter of jasmine
Is too much to eat.
Rob Young
Ah, but what is researching?
Your Source of Eternal Joy and Compassion
KirstenBayesNntp
>> My friends Mr. van Rossum, Mr Wall and Messrs Kernigan and Ritchie are the
>> guardians of my liberty :)
>
>
>Holy War time!
>
>Certain unnamed formatting styles are about
>the worst possible. Get those fucking
>braces out there and line the damn things
>up!
Sometimes to have a high level of functionality it is necessary to have a very
low level of readability.
Best wishes
Kirsten
KirstenBayesNntp
<d.ti...@mail.utexas.edu> writes:
>> My friends Mr. van Rossum, Mr Wall and Messrs Kernigan and Ritchie are the
>> guardians of my liberty :)
>
>Ok, Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do.
>
>Who the heck are *those* guys?
Hey, who are you calling Lucy? Anyway, Guido van Rossum is the person who
invented Python, Larry Wall invented Perl, and Kernigan/Ritchie are the dudes
who standardised "C". They keep us free.
Best wishes
Kirsten
Rob Young
"KirstenBayesNntp" <kirstenb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020323034631...@mb-da.aol.com...
In the forward to one of the editions of the Perl camel book, Wall described
the three virtues of a programmer:
Laziness
Impatience
Hubris
...which meant that my religion was secured right then for all time forward.
K&R should have a monument constructed to them, like the Argonath in Lord of
the Rings. Maybe put it right at the city limits of Redmond (which is about
5 min from where I am sitting at this moment) to warn people that they are
reaching the boundary of the Free World and entering the dark realm where
only corruption, manipulation, and domination can survive.
Rob
Sphere
In that case, let's just run all
our software through the preprocessor
and throw away the original.
>
> Best wishes
> Kirsten
--
Sphere.
"I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
Sphere
Rob Young wrote:
>
...
>
> Laziness
> Impatience
> Hubris
>
...
Strive to be lazy!
Waiting for your impatience,
Humbly seek hubris.
Rob Young
"Sphere" <spher...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3C9CAFC0...@attbi.com...
>
>
> Rob Young wrote:
> >
> ...
> >
> > Laziness
> > Impatience
> > Hubris
> >
> ...
>
> Strive to be lazy!
> Waiting for your impatience,
> Humbly seek hubris.
OK now I have to figure out how to set up my sig so I don't have to keep
typing it in every time.
Rob
Strive to be lazy!
Waiting for your impatience,
Humbly seek hubris.
- Sphere
Rob Young
"spot" <rokt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aacp9u05nekkdd68c...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:58:45 GMT, "Rob Young" <ape...@ozz.net> wrote:
>
> did i see right
>
> it does say apeking
>
> ApeKing|?
>
> Thats you?
>
> Boy do i miss things...
>
> So whats up?
> Still in Seattle.
>
> Wanna help take over the world, already got a patsy to take the hits?
Hiyers, spot! Are you who I think you are? Everybody in this place changed
their name the moment I left the ng. But it is good to hear from you again!
:)
Yes, my plans for World Domination are well underway. Well, er, there are
some funding problems. And the tanks with sonic cannons got diverted and are
over in Turkistan right now. Not sure how the hell that happened. But other
than that, we are right on schedule.
As for a patsy, er, well no! In fact, your timing is perfect!
Innocent as Newly Fallen Snow
Rob
Sphere
I want you to know that the last
line was a bitch. First I had to
stare at the definition of hubris
in the dictionary for awhile, then
I had to muck about with the second
line to get it to work at all. I'm
not used to working so hard at
being lazy.
William Hursthouse
>> > Strive to be lazy!
>> > Waiting for your impatience,
>> > Humbly seek hubris.
>>
>I want you to know that the last
>line was a bitch. First I had to
>stare at the definition of hubris
>in the dictionary for awhile, then
>I had to muck about with the second
>line to get it to work at all. I'm
>not used to working so hard at
>being lazy.
>
it was worth it! :-)
william
Sphere
No comment. ;)
Messer Xin
(in message <3C9CAFC0...@attbi.com>):
> From: Sphere <spher...@attbi.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
>
>
>
> Rob Young wrote:
>>
> ...
>>
>> Laziness
>> Impatience
>> Hubris
>>
> ...
>
> Strive to be lazy!
> Waiting for your impatience,
> Humbly seek hubris.
Huh?
>Sphere.
>"I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
Huh?
--
|Xin|
the only guide we have to your mental state is what you say, and
the intensity with which we say it. --Nick Argall
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KirstenBayesNntp
writes:
>In the forward to one of the editions of the Perl camel book, Wall described
>the three virtues of a programmer:
>
>Laziness
>Impatience
>Hubris
>
>...which meant that my religion was secured right then for all time forward.
>K&R should have a monument constructed to them, like the Argonath in Lord of
>the Rings. Maybe put it right at the city limits of Redmond (which is about
>5 min from where I am sitting at this moment) to warn people that they are
>reaching the boundary of the Free World and entering the dark realm where
>only corruption, manipulation, and domination can survive.
Wonderful idea! I think K&R definitely should have some sort of shrine to them,
where enslaved corporate programmers can go for healing or sanctuary. "I was
once blinded by Visual Basic, but now I can seeeeee!!!!".
One of my best friends has gone over to the dark side, programming C# on .Net
after being a C++ guru, this after swearing she would never use an IDE. I could
save her from this darkness, but then how would she pay the mortgage? She keeps
saying things like "money for old rope" and "I may not know how my programs
work, but I know how to spend the paycheck".
Perhaps programming languages are like religions. They all take you to the same
place.
Best wishes
Kirsten
KirstenBayesNntp
>> Sometimes to have a high level of functionality it is necessary to have a
very
>> low level of readability.
>
>In that case, let's just run all
>our software through the preprocessor
>and throw away the original.
Actually, I think the real reason so much C and Perl code is so hard to read is
that those languages are just inappropriate for the jobs they are often used
for. Information technology is much more pervasive and connected now than it
was when these languages came into being.
There are two ways out, really. One is to use IDEs and virtual machines to
manage the complexity, the other is just use higher level languages.
The evil software corporations seem to believe in the former, which leads to
bloatware and lock-in, and which takes money from people using the software and
gives it to them. Personally, I'd rather go up to the next level - there's no
money up there though, yet ;)
Best wishes
Kirsten
Sphere
Messer Xin wrote:
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:36:09 -0500, Sphere wrote
> (in message <3C9CAFC0...@attbi.com>):
>
> > From: Sphere <spher...@attbi.com>
> > Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob Young wrote:
> >>
> > ...
> >>
> >> Laziness
> >> Impatience
> >> Hubris
> >>
> > ...
> >
> > Strive to be lazy!
> > Waiting for your impatience,
> > Humbly seek hubris.
>
> Huh?
>
> >Sphere.
>
> >"I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
>
> Huh?
Ah! True beginner's mind!
--
Sphere.
"He reviled me; he injured me; he defeated me;
he deprived me." In those who harbor such
grudges hatred never ceases.
-- Dhammapada I.3
Rob Young
> The evil software corporations seem to believe in the former, which leads
to
> bloatware and lock-in, and which takes money from people using the
software and
> gives it to them. Personally, I'd rather go up to the next level -
there's no
> money up there though, yet ;)
I had a friend at my last job who used to complain that *everyone* is trying
to tell us how to write applications.
My thing is that I think we're entering an era of "vassalized" technology --
that basically you swear alliegence to one big corporate monolith or
another, and then rely on them to provide you with sustenance and protect
you. Which is part of the natural progression of any technology -- it tends
in the direction of standardization until it becomes obsolete.
Rob
Rob Young
>
> Messer Xin wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:36:09 -0500, Sphere wrote
> > (in message <3C9CAFC0...@attbi.com>):
> >
> > > From: Sphere <spher...@attbi.com>
> > > Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
> > >
> > > Rob Young wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Impatience
> > >> Hubris
> > >
> > > Strive to be lazy!
> > > Waiting for your impatience,
> > > Humbly seek hubris.
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > >Sphere.
> >
> > >"I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
> >
> > Huh?
>
> Ah! True beginner's mind!
Me, too!
Messer Xin
(in message <KGpn8.109713$702.22544@sccrnsc02>):
Huh? Huh?
--
|Xin|
Dharma -- it's not just a good idea . . . it's the law.
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Rob Young
"Messer Xin" <x...@woc.org> wrote in message
news:01HW.B8C3F2DC0...@news.earthlink.net...
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:21:14 -0500, Rob Young wrote
> (in message <KGpn8.109713$702.22544@sccrnsc02>):
>
> >
> > "Sphere" <spher...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C9DE437...@attbi.com...
> >>
> >> Messer Xin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:36:09 -0500, Sphere wrote
> >>> (in message <3C9CAFC0...@attbi.com>):
> >>>
> >>>> From: Sphere <spher...@attbi.com>
> >>>> Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
> >>>>
> >>>> Rob Young wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Laziness
> >>>>> Impatience
> >>>>> Hubris
> >>>>
> >>>> Strive to be lazy!
> >>>> Waiting for your impatience,
> >>>> Humbly seek hubris.
> >>>
> >>> Huh?
> >>>
> >>>> Sphere.
> >>>
> >>>> "I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
> >>>
> >>> Huh?
> >>
> >> Ah! True beginner's mind!
> >
> > Me, too!
>
> Huh? Huh?
What?
Rob
Sphere
Go for the highest langauge available --
assembler.
--
Sphere.
"yup slamming stories in the SuperDuper Mytholgy Collider
can provide civilizations of entertainment" -- dar
Sphere
spot wrote:
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:17:39 GMT, Sphere <spher...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >William Hursthouse wrote:
> >>
> >> Sphere:
> >> >> > Strive to be lazy!
> >> >> > Waiting for your impatience,
> >> >> > Humbly seek hubris.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >I want you to know that the last
> >> >line was a bitch. First I had to
> >> >stare at the definition of hubris
> >> >in the dictionary for awhile, then
> >> >I had to muck about with the second
> >> >line to get it to work at all. I'm
> >> >not used to working so hard at
> >> >being lazy.
> >> >
> >> it was worth it! :-)
> >>
> >> william
> >
> >No comment. ;)
>
> yes yes bravo bravo whoo hoo
>
> i suppose slack is work at times
>
> i guess if you keep up your slack practice you'll achieve
> The Great Natural Perfection Slackful Slacklessness
>
> its all about slack you see
Sure, but why'd people get all
excited about slack? I wrote
a really nice one the other
day over, well over somewhere.
It just popped out like Haiku's
supposed to too.
Of course, nobody ever gets
excited about the ones *I*
like...
DTilson
Thanks.
It's just a line, from a '50s sitcom.
"Loooooooooooocy!"
"Oh, Ricky! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
Dale
"It can happen. Dreaming about it is *nearly* enough, just not
quite."-William Hursthouse
KirstenBayesNntp
writes:
>I had a friend at my last job who used to complain that *everyone* is trying
>to tell us how to write applications.
>
>My thing is that I think we're entering an era of "vassalized" technology --
>that basically you swear alliegence to one big corporate monolith or
>another, and then rely on them to provide you with sustenance and protect
>you. Which is part of the natural progression of any technology -- it tends
>in the direction of standardization until it becomes obsolete.
I like Neal Stephenson's take on this issue, which he makes in the classic
article, "In the Beginning was the Command Line":
http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html
He likens much of modern computing to Disneyland. People go to to the
Disneyland theme park to get a pre-packaged, sanitised version of reality. They
can travel down the Amazon, go up into the Rockies, fly over the plains of
Africa, all without leaving the safety of the theme park. People pay alot of
money for packaging and convenience, which is why Microsoft and AOL - which
take technology and package it for the masses - do so well.
The dangerous part is when people confuse the pre-packaged pap for the real
thing.
Virtual machines, object orientation, the internetworking protocols, SGML - in
other words the heart of Java and .Net, the new wave of "web services" - are
technologies which are twenty years old.
What worlds are being lost while the corporations keep people going round in
giant circles, all the while soaking them for cash?
Best wishes
Kirsten
Ned Ludd
Rob:
> I had a friend at my last job who used to complain that *everyone*
> is trying to tell us how to write applications.
> My thing is that I think we're entering an era of "vassalized"
> technology -- that basically you swear alliegence to one big
> corporate monolith or another, and then rely on them to provide
> you with sustenance and protect you. Which is part of the natural
> progression of any technology -- it tends in the direction of
> standardization until it becomes obsolete.
>
Yeah, let's just move this one in right now...
I pledge adherence to the flak of the united corporations and
to the Republicans for which it scams, one notion, under gold,
indecipherable, with bribery and injustice for all.
> I like Neal Stephenson's take on this issue, which he makes in the
> classic article, "In the Beginning was the Command Line":
> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html
>
Yes, I read that some years ago. He wrote it right after he lost
all the text of a budding novel on his Mac, and couldn't resurrect
it, no matter who he asked. So he became a rapid Linux proselytizer.
I'll be you any amount of money he's back on one (or more) of the
standard brands.
> He likens much of modern computing to Disneyland. People go to to
> the Disneyland theme park to get a pre-packaged, sanitised version
> of reality. They can travel down the Amazon, go up into the Rockies,
> fly over the plains of Africa, all without leaving the safety of the
> theme park. People pay alot of money for packaging and convenience,
> which is why Microsoft and AOL - which take technology and package
> it for the masses - do so well.
>
The word is 'simulation'. It is the mark of our age - this turning
of the millennium. And the simulations are generally BETTER, by
orders of magnitude - than the originals. (Eg. bugs on the Amazon,
AIDS in Africa, broken legs on the Rockies, etc.) In fact, we are
producing simulations for which their are NO originals - or rather
the simulation and the 'original' are indistinguishable.
> The dangerous part is when people confuse the pre-packaged pap for
> the real thing.
>
Bwahahaha! REAL thing??? And you call yourself a Buddhist?
> Virtual machines, object orientation, the internetworking protocols,
> SGML - in other words the heart of Java and .Net, the new wave of
> "web services" - are technologies which are twenty years old.
> What worlds are being lost while the corporations keep people going
> round in giant circles, all the while soaking them for cash?
>
You can't even find them any more in the multitude of worlds that
have been, and are, being created.
Ned
P.S. Btw, thanks for the pointer on the Tools/Security/Restricted
setting. (And, totally off topic, is 'Bayes' a common name in
Britain, and if not, any connection to the statistician?)
Karma Sphere
When we're resting side-by-side in the matrix
slowly merging into the collective void I'm
going to google usenet and make you eat every
one of your words ever entered.
Have a nice day! ;)
>
> Ned
>
> P.S. Btw, thanks for the pointer on the Tools/Security/Restricted
> setting. (And, totally off topic, is 'Bayes' a common name in
> Britain, and if not, any connection to the statistician?)
--
Beth
Sphere wrote:
LOL :-D
--
Beth
Ned Ludd
news:3C9FBF04...@attbi.com...
>
Kirsten:
>> The dangerous part is when people confuse the pre-packaged pap
>> for the real thing.
>
> Bwahahaha! REAL thing??? And you call yourself a Buddhist?
>
>> Virtual machines, object orientation, the internetworking
>> protocols, SGML - in other words the heart of Java and .Net,
>> the new wave of "web services" - are technologies which are
>> twenty years old. What worlds are being lost while the
>> corporations keep people going round in giant circles, all
>> the while soaking them for cash?
>
> You can't even find them any more in the multitude of worlds
> that have been, and are, being created.
Sphere:
> When we're resting side-by-side in the matrix
> slowly merging into the collective void I'm
> going to google usenet and make you eat every
> one of your words ever entered.
>
When were we ever not merged into the collective void?
Maybe in the 'matrix' we'll finally find a place that doesn't
have a bunch of candy-ass pseudo-Buddhists who think there's
somewhere to go or something to become?? Huh? Nah!!
> Have a nice day! ;)
>
Have two. Making two out of one seems to suit most of the
assholes hanging around here.
Ned
Messer Xin
(in message <sOvn8.112103$702.22790@sccrnsc02>):
Huh unh-unh ha unh-unh haha hunh!
--
|Xin| ("Scobidy o-doe!")
concern "you are not like make let me make you more life me"
thank you, you have made it more clear for me why compassion
rests in equanimity and does not even lift a finger in concern
---Dar
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Rob Young
>
> Sure, but why'd people get all
> excited about slack? I wrote
> a really nice one the other
> day over, well over somewhere.
> It just popped out like Haiku's
> supposed to too.
>
> Of course, nobody ever gets
> excited about the ones *I*
> like...
Oh, ya! I remember that one! That one was great! My favorite, really.
er... that was the one with the swan, and the lake... or... well, whatever.
I enjoyed it tremendously.
--
Rob
"Strive to be lazy! / Waiting for your impatience, / Humbly seek
hubris." -Sphere
Rob Young
"Messer Xin" <x...@woc.org> wrote in message
news:01HW.B8C565170...@news.earthlink.net...
> Huh unh-unh ha unh-unh haha hunh!
What o wata what o wata what o wata hey?
Rob Young
"Ned Ludd" <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:a7othk$7vn$1...@slb4.atl.mindspring.net...
> Maybe in the 'matrix' we'll finally find a place that doesn't
> have a bunch of candy-ass pseudo-Buddhists who think there's
> somewhere to go or something to become?? Huh? Nah!!
Perhaps. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
With my karma, it's bound to be that in the 'matrix' they'll still be there;
I just won't be able to get away from them.
Ned Ludd
news:rrUn8.130515$uA5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
Sphere:
> When we're resting side-by-side in the matrix
> slowly merging into the collective void I'm
> going to google usenet and make you eat every
> one of your words ever entered.
Ned:
> When were we ever not merged into the collective void?
> Maybe in the 'matrix' we'll finally find a place that doesn't
> have a bunch of candy-ass pseudo-Buddhists who think there's
> somewhere to go or something to become?? Huh? Nah!!
Rob:
> Perhaps. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
> With my karma, it's bound to be that in the 'matrix' they'll
> still be there; I just won't be able to get away from them.
>
A matrix full of Buddhists that nobody can get away from?
Sort of like a Borg collective with nowhere to go?
Aha! Do I remember correctly that you have (or had) a theory
that Star Trek was extremely racially prejudiced in its selection
of alien beings?
Ned
DTilson
BOOM! Shakalakalaka.
Messer Xin
(in message <MoUn8.130505$uA5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>):
>>>>>>>> Strive to be lazy!
>>>>>>>> Waiting for your impatience,
>>>>>>>> Humbly seek hubris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah! True beginner's mind!
>>>>>
>>>>> Me, too!
>>>>
>>>> Huh? Huh?
>>>
>>> What?
>>
>> Huh unh-unh ha unh-unh haha hunh!
>
> What o wata what o wata what o wata hey?
Hey doesn't Wally play sax? Or did I mis-hear that word?
--
|Xin|
"Surely you have read enough posts
by different Buddhas online to know
they war with words only because they are
not close enough to throw their own shit!"
---<IamSpncycl> 01/10/04
Rob Young
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 1:18:21 -0500, Rob Young wrote
> (in message <MoUn8.130505$uA5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>):
>
> >>>>>>>> Strive to be lazy!
> >>>>>>>> Waiting for your impatience,
> >>>>>>>> Humbly seek hubris.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Huh?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Huh?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ah! True beginner's mind!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Me, too!
> >>>>
> >>>> Huh? Huh?
> >>>
> >>> What?
> >>
> >> Huh unh-unh ha unh-unh haha hunh!
> >
> > What o wata what o wata what o wata hey?
>
> Hey doesn't Wally play sax? Or did I mis-hear that word?
Eh?
Eh hennehe Eh hennehe Eh Eh Eh Eh?
Karma Sphere
Ned Ludd wrote:
>
> Karma Sphere <spher...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:3C9FBF04...@attbi.com...
> >
> Kirsten:
> >> The dangerous part is when people confuse the pre-packaged pap
> >> for the real thing.
> >
> Ned:
> > Bwahahaha! REAL thing??? And you call yourself a Buddhist?
> >
> >> Virtual machines, object orientation, the internetworking
> >> protocols, SGML - in other words the heart of Java and .Net,
> >> the new wave of "web services" - are technologies which are
> >> twenty years old. What worlds are being lost while the
> >> corporations keep people going round in giant circles, all
> >> the while soaking them for cash?
> >
> > You can't even find them any more in the multitude of worlds
> > that have been, and are, being created.
>
> Sphere:
> > When we're resting side-by-side in the matrix
> > slowly merging into the collective void I'm
> > going to google usenet and make you eat every
> > one of your words ever entered.
> >
>
> When were we ever not merged into the collective void?
When we could not count to
One.
>
> Maybe in the 'matrix' we'll finally find a place that doesn't
> have a bunch of candy-ass pseudo-Buddhists who think there's
> somewhere to go or something to become?? Huh? Nah!!
59th Street Bridge?
>
> > Have a nice day! ;)
> >
>
> Have two. Making two out of one seems to suit most of the
> assholes hanging around here.
>
> Ned
Feeling frisky today?
KirstenBayesNntp
<ned...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>And, totally off topic, is 'Bayes' a common name in
> Britain, and if not, any connection to the statistician?
Actually its pretty uncommon - all Bayeses seem to be related to each other, so
its likely that the statistician was a relative, though probably not an
ancestor.
Best wishes
Kirsten
KirstenBayesNntp
writes:
>When we're resting side-by-side in the matrix
>slowly merging into the collective void I'm
>going to google usenet and make you eat every
>one of your words ever entered.
Ah, what a mighty legacy it is. Pick a random date in the past: September 15th
1996:
- Robert Mulroy is talking about his cat being pleased to see him (note to the
foolish : when cats do that, they want feeding)
- Diane Brodson is pondering whether cats obey males because they have deep
voices (note: fear is the only thing that drives cats, plus desire for food)
- Ned and Diane B are discussing whether Prince Charles is a closet Buddhist
- the absfg Koan competition has ended - winners Rob Y and Arianna L - and
Aimeric de Miravel (who was a contender for the best-ever name competition)
wants people to post the winning Koans
- Rob Young is trying out his post-modern pick up lines "You underestimate
me...I appreciate that".
- He also just blew up his mother board, which was probably no fun at all
- Rodney is musing whether the moon has had anything to do with the
productivity of his painting of late
- There are also a couple of get rich spammers, and half a dozen cross posts
from other groups (la plus ca change... :)
Me, I'd never heard of absfg at that point. On that day, I sat forlornly
looking out across Sydney Harbour, watching newly married couples being
photographed with the Opera House as a back drop, and reflecting sadly on the
impermanence of love. <sigh>.
Then I went back to my friends house where we all got outrageously drunk.
Best wishes
Kirsten
Rob Young
> - Rob Young is trying out his post-modern pick up lines "You underestimate
> me...I appreciate that".
To be absolutely honest, I've never really understood what "post-modern" means.
Rob
Messer Xin
(in message <20020326145754...@mb-dh.aol.com>):
> - Rodney is musing whether the moon has had anything to do with the
> productivity of his painting of late
Twelve years ago or so, I noticed that my zazen was best on the Full Moon, or
even the day after. I had problems around the New Moon and came to regard
seeing the Crescent as a blessed relief.
Does anyone else have lunar cycles -- especially meaning guys?
> Me, I'd never heard of absfg at that point. On that day, I sat forlornly
> looking out across Sydney Harbour, watching newly married couples being
> photographed with the Opera House as a back drop, and reflecting sadly on
> the
> impermanence of love. <sigh>.
>
> Then I went back to my friends house where we all got outrageously drunk.
Oh, Kirsten . . . so many on this board would so dearly like to take your
hand, and let you rest your weary head on our shoulder . . . but of course,
it would take a journey of pilgrimage proportion and then we would discover
that we really would rather not relate to each other after all.
Seriously, though . . .
--
|Xin|
"Surely you have read enough posts
by different Buddhas online to know
they war with words only because they are
not close enough to throw their own shit!"
---<IamSpncycl> 01/10/04
Messer Xin
(in message <e3efdc0d.02032...@posting.google.com>):
"After Modern"?
--
|Xin|
the only guide we have to your mental state is what you say, and
the intensity with which we say it. --Nick Argall
Rob Young
> A matrix full of Buddhists that nobody can get away from?
> Sort of like a Borg collective with nowhere to go?
"You have no self... what then questions... swan flying over the lake...
no-self.... no-self.... no-self...."
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
> Aha! Do I remember correctly that you have (or had) a theory
> that Star Trek was extremely racially prejudiced in its selection
> of alien beings?
Could be. :) I have a vague memory... of being chased by a giant blood-red
iguana... no... of some theory involving Star Trek aliens, but the racially
prejudiced part doesn't ring a bell.
However, does it annoy anyone besides me that in the "New" Star Trek(s) we
have to become friends with every alien species we meet, but in the "Old"
Star Trek, we would just KILL them?
Rob Young
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:42:18 -0500, Rob Young wrote
> (in message <e3efdc0d.02032...@posting.google.com>):
>
> > kirstenb...@aol.com (KirstenBayesNntp) wrote in message
> > news:<20020326145754...@mb-dh.aol.com>...
> >
> >> - Rob Young is trying out his post-modern pick up lines "You
underestimate
> >> me...I appreciate that".
> >
> > To be absolutely honest, I've never really understood what "post-modern"
> > means.
>
> "After Modern"?
*blush* well I never really got that one, either.
I sort of lost track somewhere about 500 BC.
Karma Sphere
Rob Young wrote:
>
> "Messer Xin" <x...@woc.org> wrote in message
> news:01HW.B8C6A1940...@news.earthlink.net...
> > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:42:18 -0500, Rob Young wrote
> > (in message <e3efdc0d.02032...@posting.google.com>):
> >
> > > kirstenb...@aol.com (KirstenBayesNntp) wrote in message
> > > news:<20020326145754...@mb-dh.aol.com>...
> > >
> > >> - Rob Young is trying out his post-modern pick up lines "You
> underestimate
> > >> me...I appreciate that".
> > >
> > > To be absolutely honest, I've never really understood what "post-modern"
> > > means.
> >
> > "After Modern"?
>
> *blush* well I never really got that one, either.
>
> I sort of lost track somewhere about 500 BC.
Better than me. I kind'a lost track
after the invention fire.
>
> --
> Rob
> "Strive to be lazy! / Waiting for your impatience, / Humbly seek
> hubris." -Sphere
--
Sphere.
No perfection. No permanence. No essence.
Ned Ludd
>
> However, does it annoy anyone besides me that in the "New"
> Star Trek(s) we have to become friends with every alien species
> we meet, but in the "Old" Star Trek, we would just KILL them?
>
Ah, life before the prime directive.
Did Attila the Hun have problems with war reparations claims,
compensation for seized assets, survivors of concentration camps
claims? Did Genghis Khan? Did Caesar?
Where did we go wrong?
Ned
P.S. Like it says in the Tao, "How would you improve the
universe? I see no way to finish the task."
Rob Young
"Ned Ludd" <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:a7sg9o$d4r$1...@slb4.atl.mindspring.net...
> Rob Young <ape...@ozz.net> wrote in message
> news:fxco8.137004$uA5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> >
> > However, does it annoy anyone besides me that in the "New"
> > Star Trek(s) we have to become friends with every alien species
> > we meet, but in the "Old" Star Trek, we would just KILL them?
> >
>
> Ah, life before the prime directive.
>
> Did Attila the Hun have problems with war reparations claims,
> compensation for seized assets, survivors of concentration camps
> claims? Did Genghis Khan? Did Caesar?
>
> Where did we go wrong?
Sigh. It's like I was telling Xin... I just don't understand "modern". Oh,
for the good old days when you could just run your horde across the open
plains, driving your enemy before you, and running his forces down.
Ooops... I'd better scoot... late for work.
--
Rob
nice guy, poor impulse control
Karma Sphere
Memory's name is Kirsten.
KirstenBayesNntp
<x...@woc.org> writes:
>Oh, Kirsten . . . so many on this board would so dearly like to take your
>hand, and let you rest your weary head on our shoulder . . . but of course,
>it would take a journey of pilgrimage proportion and then we would discover
>that we really would rather not relate to each other after all.
>
>Seriously, though . . .
Hehe, aww, shucks.
I've generally found that encounters with people I've not met before but who
know me from my on-line ramblings go pretty well.
Except that time when I met up with a bunch of fellow on-line gamers who turned
out to be leading members of one of Europe's most extreme neo-nazi parties.
That was a bit of an oopsie.
Best wishes
Kirsten
Sphere
Did they run in terror?
>
> Best wishes
> Kirsten
Ned Ludd
Rob:
>> However, does it annoy anyone besides me that in the "New"
>> Star Trek(s) we have to become friends with every alien species
>> we meet, but in the "Old" Star Trek, we would just KILL them?
Ned:
> Ah, life before the prime directive.
> Did Attila the Hun have problems with war reparations claims,
> compensation for seized assets, survivors of concentration camps
> claims? Did Genghis Khan? Did Caesar?
> Where did we go wrong?
Rob:
> Sigh. It's like I was telling Xin... I just don't understand
> "modern". Oh, for the good old days when you could just run your
> horde across the open plains, driving your enemy before you, and
> running his forces down.
> Ooops... I'd better scoot... late for work.
>
Yes, yes, the good old days:
"Man's greatest good fortune is to chase and defeat his enemy,
seize his total possessions, leave his married women weeping
and wailing, ride his gelding, use the bodies of his women..."
- Genghis Khan, as reported in Natl. Geographic, Nov. 1996, pg. 24
'Modern' can refer to different things, depending on who is using
it and how it is used. It is often discussed in the newsgroup
alt.postmodern, and pedants and nit-pickers will beat you over the
head with it and claim you are not using the term correctly and
don't know what you're talking about (just like terms used in this
newsgroup), no matter how you use it.
It can refer to a time frame as narrow the mid-late 1800's through
the 1930's, i.e. "The Moderns" in painting, architecture and
literature. It can also refer to the 500-year period from the
renaissance through the present, during which all the trappings of
commerce, industrialization, the political 'enlightenment' and
capitalism developed.
Some hallmarks of modernism that apply to both the shorter (recent)
and longer time spans are: (1) A belief in rationality, and analytical
methods for solving problems, (2) A belief in progress, and the
movement of society ever 'forward' to certain goals as a result of
progress, (3) A belief that there are shared basic premises about
society and the world and how the world works, (4) A belief that
tradition is relevant, and a valid component of current reality,
(5) A belief that there is an Objective Reality 'out there', and that
it can be discovered and determined. These are a few of the general
attributes modernism.
Postmodernism, to various degrees, blows all of those assumptions
and beliefs away.
Ned
Chris
>On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 1:18:21 -0500, Rob Young wrote
>(in message <MoUn8.130505$uA5.1...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>):
>
>>>>>>>>> Strive to be lazy!
>>>>>>>>> Waiting for your impatience,
>>>>>>>>> Humbly seek hubris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I do have a Self, but it's nonexistent." -- Xin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah! True beginner's mind!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me, too!
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Huh?
>>>>
>>>> What?
>>>
>>> Huh unh-unh ha unh-unh haha hunh!
>>
>> What o wata what o wata what o wata hey?
>
>Hey doesn't Wally play sax? Or did I mis-hear that word?
I know Wally plays guitar. Sings too.
I got a message from him saying he can't post reliably these days
but he lurks semi regularly. He says:
>I'm still lurking
>and enjoying absfg - nice to see rpd and janL showing up. Anyway, until
>I can figure out which usenet God I have offended, hunt it down, and rip
>it's lungs out, I just gotta read. Say hi to everybody for me, and
>lemme know if the Monteagle Reunion Committe decides to try it again.
>
>Wally, Hereditary MFWIC, Enforcement Committee, the Heretics Guild
I don't think he'd mind my quoting that.
Reminds me that I still have to post a Monteagle page....
Anybody got any spare round tuits? I'm starting to work my way
through a long list of wanna-dos I havn't been able to get to
lately.
Chris
Take out the cat before you send me e-mail.
Ned Ludd
news:g4u4auoai7qar7qre...@4ax.com...
Weasel wants to go to Kerouac's grave. Monteagle or Kerouac is
a horse apiece to me. I suppose I could get on a plane (I did it
the day after we attacked Afghanistan), but I just generally hate
travel, and think it's unnecessary in the age of the internet.
Ned
Chris
I like to travel. But not by plane. If I don't have a time frame
I like drivig or riding a scooter. If I need a schedule I prefer
a train. The internet's handy but it's just not travel to me.
I've been to Monteagle before. It's a wonderfull spot to be but
I've never been to Kerouac's grave! I do need to be in Maine for
my little bro's wedding in early August... How about an absfg
graveside wake for Kerouac in late July? How about it gang?
Rob Young
> 'Modern' can refer to different things, depending on who is using
> it and how it is used. It is often discussed in the newsgroup
> alt.postmodern, and pedants and nit-pickers will beat you over the
> head with it and claim you are not using the term correctly and
> don't know what you're talking about (just like terms used in this
> newsgroup), no matter how you use it.
hehehehehee... maybe that's my problem.
What is the lineage of "modernism"?
> It can refer to a time frame as narrow the mid-late 1800's through
> the 1930's, i.e. "The Moderns" in painting, architecture and
> literature. It can also refer to the 500-year period from the
> renaissance through the present, during which all the trappings of
> commerce, industrialization, the political 'enlightenment' and
> capitalism developed.
Ah! I love imprecise terms that span varying periods of time covering
multiple centuries! Maybe I am a modernist after all!
> Some hallmarks of modernism that apply to both the shorter (recent)
> and longer time spans are: (1) A belief in rationality, and analytical
> methods for solving problems, (2) A belief in progress, and the
> movement of society ever 'forward' to certain goals as a result of
> progress, (3) A belief that there are shared basic premises about
> society and the world and how the world works, (4) A belief that
> tradition is relevant, and a valid component of current reality,
> (5) A belief that there is an Objective Reality 'out there', and that
> it can be discovered and determined. These are a few of the general
> attributes modernism.
:)
> Postmodernism, to various degrees, blows all of those assumptions
> and beliefs away.
heheheheee... and here I was thinking that "postmodern" just meant anything
the speaker thought was "cool". ;)
Great Ned, thank you!
<bows bonks head on floor 3 times>
ow
Rob Young
> "Man's greatest good fortune is to chase and defeat his enemy,
> seize his total possessions, leave his married women weeping
> and wailing, ride his gelding, use the bodies of his women..."
> - Genghis Khan, as reported in Natl. Geographic, Nov. 1996, pg. 24
We went though a period of Post-Fire-Pre-Urban Deconstructionism that I
thought was a good period. In particular, some really good cave paintings
emerged in that period, unbound by strict notions of simple Fire-era
sensibilities.
In particular, I remember stumbling on one cave painting that depicted a
very short, very fat, hunter driving a herd of elk before him. The startling
thing about the painting was the crude depiction of what could have been a
sombrero.
But that's another story. :)
KirstenBayesNntp
>> Except that time when I met up with a bunch of fellow on-line gamers who
>turned
>> out to be leading members of one of Europe's most extreme neo-nazi parties.
>> That was a bit of an oopsie.
>
>Did they run in terror?
They were drawn to me, which was actually quite disturbing.
Best wishes
Kirsten
KirstenBayesNntp
<ned...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> 'Modern' can refer to different things, depending on who is using
>it and how it is used. It is often discussed in the newsgroup
>alt.postmodern, and pedants and nit-pickers will beat you over the
>head with it and claim you are not using the term correctly and
>don't know what you're talking about (just like terms used in this
>newsgroup), no matter how you use it.
I think in the years to come, the establishment of absfg will be seen as
marking the beginning of the Modern Age.
I predict the posts here will one day just be referred to as, "The
Chronicles...".
Isn't it great to be part of something like that?
Best wishes
Kirsten
Sanford M. Manley
"KirstenBayesNntp" <kirstenb...@aol.com> wrote
> >> Except that time when I met up with a bunch of fellow on-line gamers who
> >turned
> >> out to be leading members of one of Europe's most extreme neo-nazi parties.
> >> That was a bit of an oopsie.
> >
> >Did they run in terror?
>
> They were drawn to me, which was actually quite disturbing.
>
They didn't want you to join, they wanted you to be the Fuhrer!
(Not knowing of your secret role as Queen of the World)
Plus they probably wanted you to wear all that shiny leather and
spank them.
Hey, the sutras talk about everything...how about spanking?
--
Sanford M. Manley -
Your strength may be measured by what you can hold,
but your freedom is measured by what you can release
- AnsaMan
Messer Xin
(in message <4ha5auk71kl23nk3d...@4ax.com>):
We have a concrete date! I have other things happening in late July, but it's
possible for me real late in the month.
--
|Xin|
concern "you are not like make let me make you more life me"
thank you, you have made it more clear for me why compassion
rests in equanimity and does not even lift a finger in concern
---Dar
Sphere
What was I saying about memory's
name being Kirsten?
Distopia R us.
Sphere
The queen of the neo-nazi ball!
>
> Best wishes
> Fuer Kirsten
DTilson
>
> We went though a period of Post-Fire-Pre-Urban Deconstructionism that I
> thought was a good period. In particular, some really good cave paintings
> emerged in that period, unbound by strict notions of simple Fire-era
> sensibilities.
>
> In particular, I remember stumbling on one cave painting that depicted a
> very short, very fat, hunter driving a herd of elk before him. The startling
> thing about the painting was the crude depiction of what could have been a
> sombrero.
>
> But that's another story. :)
And how did the cave painting depict the fact that the elk were being
driven by stench?
Dale
"It can happen. Dreaming about it is *nearly* enough, just not
quite."-William Hursthouse
DTilson
>
> "Ned Ludd" <ned...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > Postmodernism, to various degrees, blows all of those assumptions
> > and beliefs away.
>
> heheheheee... and here I was thinking that "postmodern" just meant anything
> the speaker thought was "cool". ;)
Or not, depending on the sarcasm of the user.
Sphere
DTilson wrote:
>
> Rob Young wrote:
> >
> > We went though a period of Post-Fire-Pre-Urban Deconstructionism that I
> > thought was a good period. In particular, some really good cave paintings
> > emerged in that period, unbound by strict notions of simple Fire-era
> > sensibilities.
> >
> > In particular, I remember stumbling on one cave painting that depicted a
> > very short, very fat, hunter driving a herd of elk before him. The startling
> > thing about the painting was the crude depiction of what could have been a
> > sombrero.
> >
> > But that's another story. :)
>
> And how did the cave painting depict the fact that the elk were being
> driven by stench?
The archaeologists have mistaken those
wavy lines for water.
>
> Dale
> "It can happen. Dreaming about it is *nearly* enough, just not
> quite."-William Hursthouse
--
KirstenBayesNntp
>What was I saying about memory's
>name being Kirsten?
Hehe, I must admit, I do kind of view my posts to absfg as my weblog.
Best wishes
Kirsten
KirstenBayesNntp
>> >Did they run in terror?
>>
>> They were drawn to me, which was actually quite disturbing.
>
>The queen of the neo-nazi ball!
Um, not really. I had actually demonstrated in the streets of Brussels against
those guys.
"Contre la racisme...U-Nit-E", ahem.
Best wishes
Kirsten
Sphere
And then you didn't expect them
to be drawn to you? Ah! The
naiveté' of youth.
>
> Best wishes
Sphere
Dear Diary, today I bonked Kirsten
in the study, the pantry, the living
room, the den....
KirstenBayesNntp
>Dear Diary, today I bonked Kirsten
>in the study, the pantry, the living
>room, the den....
That small cupboard, was a pantry? I wondered where all the jam came from.
Best wishes
Kirsten