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Love

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Nov 24, 2009, 2:07:03 AM11/24/09
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My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
department right through to the palliative care floor
of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
frak we'd be without them I have no idea.


--
Love

May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.

Wally Chapman

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Nov 24, 2009, 8:25:10 AM11/24/09
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Love wrote:
> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.
>
>

I'm sorry for your loss.

Wally

Beerlet Dhiblang

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Nov 24, 2009, 8:58:51 AM11/24/09
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On Nov 24, 2:07 am, pho...@address.for.spam (Love) wrote:
> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago.  So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between.  Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.

Hoping you're doing OK.

/l

Kitty P

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:40:09 AM11/24/09
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"Love" <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote in message
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All my condolences to you and your family. I bet she thought you were a good
boy too.

It's wonderful to know that there was such good care. In all the health care
debates in the U.S., people often don't share or seem to remember the skill
and human compassion shown by the medical community when a loved one is
ready to pass.

Kitty


Hidden Draggin

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:20:40 AM11/24/09
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Love wrote:
> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.

Sorry about your Aunt.

--
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indiosd...@yahoo.canada

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:42:25 AM11/24/09
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In article <bc38b$4b0b8617$4038ecbe$14...@PRIMUS.CA>,

Love <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote:
>My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
>doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
>that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
>and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
>department right through to the palliative care floor
>of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
>frak we'd be without them I have no idea.

Sorry to hear the sad news.

I think the compassion and decency of nurses was one of the lessons from
william's writeup of the Ecie's recovery, too.

Luke

Lee Rudolph

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:37:45 PM11/24/09
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Love <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote:
>My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
>doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
>that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
>and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
>department right through to the palliative care floor
>of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
>frak we'd be without them I have no idea.

Speaking of sticks, does this mean you'll eventually be getting
title to some more land out in them?

Lee Rudolph

DT

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Nov 24, 2009, 3:16:19 PM11/24/09
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Love wrote:
> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.

My deepest sympathies.

Nursing isn't a career that anybody chooses for the money; if they
didn't care, they wouldn't be there. I know two hospice nurses
personally; one I've seen in action, the other I haven't. When my time
comes, I want Liz by my side. When any of my loved ones' times come, I
want Liz by *their* side.

I hope your aunt's passing was as peaceful as possible, for all concerned.

DT

Déjà Flu

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:09:11 PM11/24/09
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DT wrote:

(clippage)

> Nursing isn't a career that anybody chooses for the money;
> if they didn't care, they wouldn't be there.

It is now, do0d. In fact, with health care and employment in
the condition they're in, the careless are having a field day.
Not only is incompetent health care on the rise, but so is
indifference to the quality of it - from On High.

> I know two hospice nurses personally; one I've seen in action,
> the other I haven't.

"Nurses In Action" - new vid!
mpgs! mpgs! mpgs! (well, for Sandy, anyway...)

> When my time comes, I want Liz by my side.

Screw that - I've already signed up for a K2 expedition in 2042...

> When any of my loved ones' times come, I want Liz by *their* side.

Fond regards to Liz Angel. Oh...I don't suppose she has any
"medical" weed lying around, perchance? Like, for "Emergency
Purposes"? We can all imagine the little boxes in the Mall
corridors with the "instructions" and the DEA alarms...

If you decide to go first (damn unlikely), just send an email and
I'll catch the first dawgsled to TexAss with a barbecue trailer
(you know, the ones that smoke like Cheech's car...)

Sure do miss Sonny Bryan's, tho.

> I hope your aunt's passing was as peaceful as possible, for all concerned.
>
> DT

Yeah.
That's pretty much what I wrote before you saved me the trouble.

Lee Rudolph

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:37:37 PM11/24/09
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_Flu?= <cha...@gmail.com> writes:

>"Nurses In Action" - new vid!
>mpgs! mpgs! mpgs! (well, for Sandy, anyway...)

http://www.fembotwiki.com/index.php?title=Android_Nurses_in_Action_vidcaps
(VERY MUCH NOT SAFE FOR WORK, UNLESS YOU WORK IN A HOSPITAL OF THE FUTURE)

"Android Nurses in Action in Hospitals of the Future: A Sexy Future where
Humans and Robots Co-exist"

Lee Rudolph (teh Google made me do it)

Déjà Flu

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Nov 24, 2009, 7:01:19 PM11/24/09
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You're *sure* you're not my brother in NJ, right?

Lee Rudolph

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Nov 24, 2009, 7:39:43 PM11/24/09
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E9j=E0_Flu?= <cha...@gmail.com> writes:

...
Student Nurses' Association of South Carolina
PO Box 1305, Columbia, SC 29202-1305

Hello South Carolina Constituents!
Convention is almost here! I hope you all are just as excited as we
are! Our next meeting will be on Saturday, October 4th at 10:00 am
at the SCNA building in Columbia. Please visit the SNA-SC website for
further details and directions!

Your 2007-2008 SNA-SC board has been working very diligently these
past few months to get some very important information regarding the
57th Annual Convention to you!! This year's theme is "Hollywood Stars:
the Leading Roles in Healthcare."
...
Don't forget to book your hotel rooms early! Contact Ocean Dunes Resort
at 1-800-599-9872 to book your room today! On Thursday, October 9th,
we'll have our opening night party! Dress up as your favorite Hollywood
star!! On Friday, October 10th, the spirit luncheon is in full swing!
This year's theme is "Best Production of Nurses in Action......" (best
production of critical care nurse, best production of inserting a nursing
home foley, etc.); each school will exhibit their renditions of their
productions during their skit. What unforgettable performance will your
school come up with?
...

Extracted, with malice but no editorial emendations or deletions, from
http://www.sna-sc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ach-sc-student-nurses-notes-news-10-08.pdf

Ah, those Spirit Lunch Foley catheter skits! Full swing, indeed.

Lee Rudolph (still looking for the news notes from the Student Nurses'
Association of Texas Children's Hospital)

Evelyn

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Nov 24, 2009, 8:12:34 PM11/24/09
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"Beerlet Dhiblang" <dodeca...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I am so sorry to hear of your loss!

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

Love

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Nov 25, 2009, 12:30:13 AM11/25/09
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In article <heh5l9$nuo$1...@reader1.panix.com>, lrud...@panix.com says...

Only if a suburban condo counts and the will hasn't
changed since I last heard about it.

Kirsten

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:56:44 AM11/25/09
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Daryl, I am really sorry to hear the news but glad that she was
surrounded by so much compassion.

We are the work of many hands.

Best wishes
Kirsten

Love

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:02:01 AM11/25/09
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In article <heher...@news2.newsguy.com>, dal...@gnusguy.com says...

Thanks. It was, all considered.

This seems the right spot for a story about it. H1N1 is
making hospitals hyper-sensitive and if there's any chance
you've got an infection it's off to the isolation ward with
you -- one visitor at a time, in full armour which is disposed
of every time you leave the room. We were breaking the rules
large and being scolded every so often even though auntie had
since been diagnosed with a cancer and clotting problem and no
infection of any kind much less a respiratory infection. I
finally had to manufacture an administrative crisis to get
them to let the frak up. It was comical really. Y'all would
have been proud of me. I decided to not even pretend to
follow the rules and conspicuously walked in and out of the
room sans mask, gloves, goggles and gown. When a nurse
intervened I explained that the patient was only waiting to
be moved to the palliative floor and that we weren't planning
to follow the rules or wave down a nurse to get us the gear
every time one of us went out for a coffee or something.
She kicked it upstairs and the "patient care manager" came
down to try reasoning with me, to his great disappointment.
He said "see that sign on the door saying it's an infection
control room, well we have to enforce the rules so long as
that sign is there." I said "so take the sign off the door"
to which he replied in horror "I can't do that!" Naturally
my response was to offer to do it for him. He went away
quickly and fifteen minutes later a frakking beautiful tall
woman in a black suit with fishnet stockings and heels met in
the hallway with a nice young east european accented doctor
wearing black pants and shirt, and myself, also all in black.
She must have been the infection control officer or something
because she asked questions which the doctor answered and the
sign came right down. The next morning auntie was in the
palliative ward.

Such is socialised medicine. At the age of 79 all they
would do for her is give her the choice of an immediate
operation that she wasn't likely to survive or no operation
and palliative treatment. That was a tough decision that
could have been a lot easier if she'd had an insurance
company there to tell her that the operation wasn't going
to be covered by them.

Keynes

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Nov 25, 2009, 3:23:24 AM11/25/09
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I suspect liability was on their minds.
Better to be safe than sued.

I hesitate to try to comfort the bereaved.
Whatever may be said will not likely be a comfort.

Anyway here it goes. Death is not always a bad thing.
Even if it were, there is no escaping it. One feels bad
about it in most cases. But feeling bad does the dead
no good, and the living no good either. Since it does
no good, it's not something that one ought to encourage.

I view grief as a selfish indulgence unworthy of an
adult. It seems to be a plea for sympathy from others,
a purely selfish indulgence. If grief were a benefit to
the living or the dead, there'd be some excuse for it.
But there is none.

As I say this I have one elderly aunt in hospital,
an elderly mother in nursing home, and an elderly
neighbor (whom we help take care of). They are
all going by inches before my eyes. We're going
up to Chicago to see mother and aunt for likely
the last time tomorrow.

If I believed in grief, it would have killed me long a go.
We all have 'cause' for sorrows, but no real excuses.

ymmv

Evelyn

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Nov 25, 2009, 5:57:11 AM11/25/09
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"Keynes" <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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Wise words, Keynes.

Wilson

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:51:52 AM11/25/09
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Love wrote:
> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.


Condolences. I see she exceeded the doctor's prognosis. It's good to
keep them humble. It's also good to hear of your experience with the
caregivers. I'm still struck by the kindness shown me when I was in the
hospital last year. Genuinely good people still abound.


--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


Kitty P

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:59:49 AM11/25/09
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"Love" <pho...@address.for.spam> wrote in message
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> Love
> May Shai-Hulud clear the path before you.

You did good.


Kitty P

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:54:42 AM11/25/09
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"Keynes" <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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I so agree with most of that. Except that even though I believe grief is
about ourselves, I do know that few can escape the emotion for the loss of
those we love dearly. I first discovered that (about myself anyway) when I
was 20 yrs old and my much loved brother died in a car accident. Since my
parents couldn't handle it, I needed to take care of all of the
arrangements and there was no time to cry or grieve. But I woke up in the
middle of the night seven years later crying over his death, and didn't stop
for a few days. I believe that grief will have its way, and the stages will
present themselves whether we wish them to or not. So we all learn deal with
it the best we can, maybe some with more self-indulgence than others it's
true. But we're all just human after all.

Kitty


Evelyn

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:42:25 AM11/25/09
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"Kitty P" <pain...@charter.net> wrote in message
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I agree with you Kitty. Sometimes we are just so overwhelmed at a moment
of great stress. My great Aunt died when I was 13. I loved her dearly,
but did not cry at all at the time of her death. I was strangely unable to
relate, and it was as though it was 'no one I knew' lying there. But I
cried for her later on, even years later. I realized that she was
important to me, and what a wonderful loving influence she had been in my
life. I always knew that, but somehow the reality of it didn't hit me
till much later.

I think it is a defense mechanism of the mind, nothing to do with good or
bad, right or wrong. Just that the mind has ways of protecting itself from
danger or extreme grief at what might seem to be the wrong time. At the
time she died, I was myself, in the hospital having my appendix out, and in
those days it was no picnic. I was frightened and somewhat traumatized at
the time..... and my mother took me directly from the hospital to the
funeral home where some family members were gathered around my aunt. It
had a strange surreal quality to it all. I think I was simply unable to
relate properly or grieve at that time.

Kirsten

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:51:32 AM11/25/09
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On 25 Nov, 08:23, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>
> I suspect liability was on their minds.
> Better to be safe than sued.
>
> I hesitate to try to comfort the bereaved.
> Whatever may be said will not likely be a comfort.
>
> Anyway here it goes.  Death is not always a bad thing.
> Even if it were, there is no escaping it.  One feels bad
> about it in most cases.  But feeling bad does the dead
> no good, and the living no good either.  Since it does
> no good, it's not something that one ought to encourage.
>
> I view grief as a selfish indulgence unworthy of an
> adult.  It seems to be a plea for sympathy from others,
> a purely selfish indulgence.  If grief were a benefit to
> the living or the dead, there'd be some excuse for it.  
> But there is none.
>
> As I say this I have one elderly aunt in hospital,
> an elderly mother in nursing home, and an elderly
> neighbor (whom we help take care of).  They are
> all going by inches before my eyes.  We're going
> up to Chicago to see mother and aunt for likely
> the last time tomorrow.
>
> If I believed in grief, it would have killed me long a go.  
> We all have 'cause' for sorrows, but no real excuses.
>
> ymmv

Many of my family and a good number of friends have died, and I
grieved for them all.

For me, grief is simply what happens when the object of love goes
away. The love is still there, the person isn't: that's grief.

The extraordinary thing is that over time it becomes subjective i.e.
it becomes part of us. The people we love live on in us, and grief is
the process that enables that to happen.

When I see my late mothers smile in the mirror or hear myself say one
of her silly phrases, ("if the wind changes you'll stay like that"),
it makes me smile, though I have grieved her loss for years. What I
would hate is to use her words and not notice.

Best wishes
Kirsten

Keynes

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Nov 25, 2009, 10:19:21 AM11/25/09
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It can happen without grief as well.
I can still see the little girl in my 94 year old mother.
(Though I never met her as a little girl.) I can see the
vulnerable child in the living, and see vibrant memories
of the dead. Love isn't a debt we must pay. It's something
we can give away, and share, and treasure. It's never wasted.

Beerlet Dhiblang

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Nov 25, 2009, 11:02:23 AM11/25/09
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On Nov 25, 3:23 am, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:

> If I believed in grief, it would have killed me long a go.  
> We all have 'cause' for sorrows, but no real excuses.

Most people don't believe in it but as anybody here can tell you it
can catch you unawares at times.

I think the mileage does vary, I think there are the lucky ones who
benefit from the gain on that circuit turned down.

Sure a few cultures & some people might let themselves get consumed by
it but it's hard to control for those who are easily moved otherwise.
If a person is an innately stress-prone person they'll also experience
a loss more intensely as well.

/l

Benjamin

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Nov 25, 2009, 11:15:22 AM11/25/09
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Love wrote:

> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.
>
>

Much love to you, T, and the family.

Ben

Love

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:13:47 PM11/25/09
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In article <aLOdnSpyU4zKtZDW...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
says...

Yes they do, which is the only reason I'm not
asking God to smite the planet right now and
start over. :)


--
Love

Love

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:13:47 PM11/25/09
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In article <e1ppg5demcmn1n5fs...@4ax.com>,
Key...@earthlinkspam.net says...

What is this "sued" thing you speak of? Political fallout
looms large in their minds, that's for sure. All they need
is an auditor's report of some kind saying they aren't
following procedures.


>I hesitate to try to comfort the bereaved.
>Whatever may be said will not likely be a comfort.
>
>Anyway here it goes. Death is not always a bad thing.
>Even if it were, there is no escaping it. One feels bad
>about it in most cases. But feeling bad does the dead
>no good, and the living no good either. Since it does
>no good, it's not something that one ought to encourage.
>
>I view grief as a selfish indulgence unworthy of an
>adult. It seems to be a plea for sympathy from others,
>a purely selfish indulgence. If grief were a benefit to
>the living or the dead, there'd be some excuse for it.
>But there is none.
>
>As I say this I have one elderly aunt in hospital,
>an elderly mother in nursing home, and an elderly
>neighbor (whom we help take care of). They are
>all going by inches before my eyes. We're going
>up to Chicago to see mother and aunt for likely
>the last time tomorrow.
>
>If I believed in grief, it would have killed me long a go.
>We all have 'cause' for sorrows, but no real excuses.

Heh, I hope it doesn't petrify in you then turn into
a black hole that destroys the planet. Grief is just
grief. Crying when alone is not for the sake of being
noticed by anyone. Crying with others present is
generally not for their sake either unless you've
been taught to use it as a tool. Just let it happen
and neither over-indulge nor over-control, I say.


--
Love

Love

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:23:59 PM11/25/09
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In article <OGaPm.420$y%5....@newsfe03.iad>, pain...@charter.net says...

No need to judge it at all.

The fastest it ever snuck up on me was after depositing
the body of my beloved Nova at the animal carcass
disposal facility. I'd kept her in the trunk of the
car all day so I could go there after work. It was -15C
out so that was actually a good thing to do. I left her
there in the box and was fine. I got into the car and
started out of the parking lot and lost it. Thirty
seconds later I was fine again. Sure, I could have
pushed it down, which is what men especially do when
there's even a chance someone else might see it, but
what for? Theories about grief being bad? Pfft.


--
Love

Benjamin

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:32:47 PM11/25/09
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Love wrote:

Thanissaro Biku told us that if we really understood we wouldn't cry
when someone died. But as it is, it's neither skilfull nor unskilful to
cry when it arrises.

It lead to quite an argument with the group, many of whom had probably
spent years learning to cry.

Ben

Love

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Nov 25, 2009, 4:21:39 PM11/25/09
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In article <122cb$4b0d86b6$4038ecbe$22...@PRIMUS.CA>,
eggplan...@yahoo.co.uk says...

Heh, I'm sure of that.

You can tell Thanissaro for me that if he really
understood he wouldn't crave painless existence.


--
Love

bonfils

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:06:32 PM11/25/09
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pho...@address.for.spam (Love) wrote in news:bc38b$4b0b8617$4038ecbe$1445
@PRIMUS.CA:

> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
> department right through to the palliative care floor
> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.

Exactly the experience I had when my dad died.
Sadly, the last few days he was neither an easy nor a grateful patient. But
undeterred, they just did their best.

(And now, I probably have to apologise for the non-sauciness of this nurse-
related post from Bonfils...)

--
bonfils
http://kim.bonfils.com
To send me a massage, please remove your.underwear

Wilson

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:09:00 PM11/25/09
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bonfils wrote:
> pho...@address.for.spam (Love) wrote in
> news:bc38b$4b0b8617$4038ecbe$1445 @PRIMUS.CA:
>
>> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
>> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
>> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
>> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
>> department right through to the palliative care floor
>> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
>> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.
>
> Exactly the experience I had when my dad died.
> Sadly, the last few days he was neither an easy nor a grateful
> patient. But undeterred, they just did their best.
>
> (And now, I probably have to apologise for the non-sauciness of this
> nurse- related post from Bonfils...)


It was a bit of a let down, but considering the subject I will somehow
manage to struggle through. I mean, we can't have nekkid buxom nurses
intruding into the grief of our loss. That would be simply
inappropriate.

Oh hey, speaking of buxom, did you see my handmaiden?

http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/post/254895283/

--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


Hidden Draggin

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Don't ask. I am not in a smiting mood.

--
Hidden Draggin - Gilbert Hansford
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http://hiddendraggin.posterous.com/


Wally Chapman

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Nov 26, 2009, 9:23:43 AM11/26/09
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Hand maiden? I din't see no hands on her.

Wally

Wilson

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Nov 26, 2009, 10:12:45 AM11/26/09
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Love wrote:
> Keynes says...

>>
>> I suspect liability was on their minds.
>> Better to be safe than sued.
>
> What is this "sued" thing you speak of? Political fallout
> looms large in their minds, that's for sure. All they need
> is an auditor's report of some kind saying they aren't
> following procedures.


Indeed. A patient in your government run universal health care system
has no ability to bring a legal action against said government for
redress of grievances. It's just another step down the road to serfdom.

--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


bonfils

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Nov 26, 2009, 5:56:27 PM11/26/09
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"Wilson" <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote in
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> Indeed. A patient in your government run universal health care system
> has no ability to bring a legal action against said government for
> redress of grievances. It's just another step down the road to serfdom.

Just for the record: In *our* government run health care system, of course
you can sue. You can also win.

Love

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In article <Xns9CCFF3A1...@94.75.244.51>,
k...@bonfils.your.underwear.com says...

>
>"Wilson" <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote in
>news:yIednfQ2xfhWAJPW...@supernews.com:
>
>> Indeed. A patient in your government run universal health care system
>> has no ability to bring a legal action against said government for
>> redress of grievances. It's just another step down the road to serfdom.
>
>Just for the record: In *our* government run health care system, of course
>you can sue. You can also win.

You can sue and win here too, it just isn't done all that
often. One of the first things people notice about the
difference between US TV and Canuck TV is the lack of
lawyers advertising on Canuck TV. It's not a complete
lack but there's far less of it. Those guys down south
are litigation-happy I tell ya. Of course they probably
need to be with even health services being considered
fair game for wild west capitalism.

Love

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Nov 26, 2009, 6:12:52 PM11/26/09
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In article <yIednfQ2xfhWAJPW...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
says...

Heh, I love it when you don't disappoint. :)

Now just to set the record straight, the health system
here is probably no more government-run than yours is.
If you sue, it's the doctor you sue, or the clinic, or
the hospital, and they don't get government lawyers to
help them. What is government-run is the insurance
system, and since it doesn't disqualify anybody no one
has to sue it to get their bills paid. In fact it's
usually the other way around -- the government has to
sue individuals who used the system fraudulently.
Like for example an American pretending to be Canadian
so he can have an operation. There's a big market in
stolen provincial health cards.

Love

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Nov 26, 2009, 6:18:00 PM11/26/09
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In article <Xns9CCFB60B...@94.75.244.51>,
k...@bonfils.your.underwear.com says...

>
>pho...@address.for.spam (Love) wrote in news:bc38b$4b0b8617$4038ecbe$1445
>@PRIMUS.CA:
>
>> My aunt died tonight after being given 3-5 days by the
>> doctor 6 days ago. So many new experiences but the one
>> that really sticks out is the compassion and decency
>> and competence of so many nurses, from the emergency
>> department right through to the palliative care floor
>> of the hospital with a few stops in between. Where the
>> frak we'd be without them I have no idea.
>
>Exactly the experience I had when my dad died.
>Sadly, the last few days he was neither an easy nor a grateful patient. But
>undeterred, they just did their best.
>
>(And now, I probably have to apologise for the non-sauciness of this nurse-
>related post from Bonfils...)

Oh you can make up for with with a post about saucy nurses
later on. Saucy and naughty nurses maybe.

Wilson

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But you can't sue the government run healthcare plan. What if it takes
them 6 months to get you in for surgery and you're in pain the whole
time? Or you die? I guess that's just tough? If the US decided that
people couldn't sue their insurance company, there'd be riots or
something.

It is good to hear that you aren't complete surfs yet and can still
stand up for yourselves, somewhat.

--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


Love

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Nov 27, 2009, 1:02:03 AM11/27/09
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In article <OcydnfObesx-qJLW...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net

Well, people have taken the government to court to try to
win the right to queue-jump by laying down filthy lucre.
Wait times for some procedures has been the argument, but
the case for wait times is weak because those are always
cases where waiting is justified by triage as not being
urgent.

And yeah, it's just tough, and exceedingly rare. Everyone
I've known with an urgent need has been given top drawer
treatment immediately, regardless of age or prospects for
success. My then-85 year old mom-in-law got helicopter
lifted from the small town hospital to the big city
hospital when she had a stroke. My aunt had her colon
tumour removed two days after it being identified and they
would have operated on her recent problem immediately
despite the very low probability of success. The horror
stories you read in the Cato lounge are selected to
confirm your revolutionary-narrative expectations, not to
give you a realistic picture of life under public health
insurance.


>It is good to hear that you aren't complete surfs yet and can still
>stand up for yourselves, somewhat.

Obviously we're far better at standing up for ourselves
than you guys are. We've already got the system that most
of you want but don't seem to be able to get your
corporate shill politicians to grant you.

Shoulda never left The Empire, dudes.

Some of us ARE complete surfs...surfin' USA. Winter's
coming and since our economy is still in order we expect
more servility from hospitality workers down south when
we come, or we'll take our business elsewhere...probably
Cuba.

Love

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Nov 27, 2009, 1:27:41 AM11/27/09
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In article <fNKdnR5n8om7SpDW...@supernews.com>, Wil...@nowhere.net
says...

Oh man, please post a warning next time.

The whole braided-blonde arm-sinew tipping-big-beer
long-neck pretty-frock thing adds a lot of authority
to her presence, don't you think?

I mean, what's her statement there? I think it's
something like "I'm going to quaff all the beer I want.
You just sit there with your jaw hanging open."

Or maybe it's more like "Ah, this is the life:
worshippers, beer and so much money in tips I'll
be able to retire before I turn 35."

Hidden Draggin

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Nov 27, 2009, 3:41:39 AM11/27/09
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Her statement is: "I am going to drink a shitload
of beer and then throw myself on that Canadian
in a kilt over there"

Wilson

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Nov 27, 2009, 7:55:51 AM11/27/09
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Either way, it certainly works for me.

--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


Wilson

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Nov 27, 2009, 7:55:05 AM11/27/09
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Your support of that repressive dictatorial totalitarian regime is
noted.

--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


bonfils

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Nov 27, 2009, 8:24:04 AM11/27/09
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pho...@address.for.spam (Love) wrote in
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>>(And now, I probably have to apologise for the non-sauciness of this


>>nurse- related post from Bonfils...)
>
> Oh you can make up for with with a post about saucy nurses
> later on. Saucy and naughty nurses maybe.
>

For those of you who missed it, here's a saucy-naughty nurse story - in a
Hungarian translation:

http://www.tortenetek.hu/browse.php?act=detail&wid=12427&tid=15076

(Hell of a reply in a thread named "my aunt died tonight" - but hey, this
is absfg...)

--
bonfils
http://kim.bonfils.com

bonfils

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Nov 27, 2009, 8:27:18 AM11/27/09
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"Wilson" <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote in
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> Oh hey, speaking of buxom, did you see my handmaiden?
>
> http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/post/254895283/

While the German nation has some pretty nasty stuff to answer for - we
should never forget their services to boobs and beer!

--
bonfils
http://kim.bonfils.com

Lee Rudolph

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Nov 27, 2009, 8:36:03 AM11/27/09
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bonfils <k...@bonfils.my.underwear.com> writes:

Right. Unless the nurse is not only saucy and naughty, but also kinky,
the thread shuld be named "my uncle died tonight -- with a big smile
on his face".

Lee Rudolph

Kirsten

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Nov 27, 2009, 8:38:57 AM11/27/09
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We show compassion, argue, kid around, and talk about sex.

Best wishes
Kirsten

Kirsten

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Nov 27, 2009, 12:58:58 PM11/27/09
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Kirsten wrote:
>> (Hell of a reply in a thread named "my aunt died tonight" - but hey,
>> this is absfg...)
>>
>
> We show compassion, argue, kid around, and talk about sex.
>

I was going to add, if it doesn't warm your heart, make you think, raise
a laugh and, you know, make you need a shower then it's not absfg.

Best wishes
Kirsten

Déjà Flu

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Nov 27, 2009, 4:41:56 PM11/27/09
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bonfils wrote:
> "Wilson" <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote in
> news:yIednfQ2xfhWAJPW...@supernews.com:
>
>> Indeed. A patient in your government run universal health care system
>> has no ability to bring a legal action against said government for
>> redress of grievances. It's just another step down the road to serfdom.
>
> Just for the record: In *our* government run health care system, of course
> you can sue. You can also win.

rock on, kb

Evelyn

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Nov 27, 2009, 5:58:48 PM11/27/09
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"Kirsten" <kir...@dontspamplz.com> wrote in message
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It's what keeps me coming back! :-)

--

Evelyn

"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8

Déjà Flu

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Nov 27, 2009, 9:52:00 PM11/27/09
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bonfils wrote:
> "Wilson" <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote in
> news:yIednfQ2xfhWAJPW...@supernews.com:
>
>> Indeed. A patient in your government run universal health care system
>> has no ability to bring a legal action against said government for
>> redress of grievances. It's just another step down the road to serfdom.
>
> Just for the record: In *our* government run health care system, of course
> you can sue. You can also win.

rock on, kb


--
Ubi dubium ibi libertas

Keynes

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Nov 28, 2009, 8:57:44 PM11/28/09
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If she keeps drinking like that her tits will explode.


Keynes

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Nov 28, 2009, 9:02:50 PM11/28/09
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Free to freeze! Free to starve!
"Work makes free"

(Give a guy a little freedom and pretty soon he'll
want to stop doing what he doesn't like to do.
Better not give him the chance.)


Keynes

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Nov 28, 2009, 10:14:47 PM11/28/09
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Makin' a list. Checkin' it twice...


Keynes

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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:27:18 +0000 (UTC), bonfils <k...@bonfils.my.underwear.com>
wrote:

If they invented silicone, I say we ought to bomb them again.


Wilson

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That is of course, the totalitarian mantra. No choice is necessary.
"Why you want choice? We choose for you! Is good, yes!"

Of course there is only one answer.

--
Wilson
http://puddinheadwilson.tumblr.com/


Keynes

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Nov 29, 2009, 9:35:09 AM11/29/09
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This is the land of opportunity, son.
For instance, anyone can get a job cleaning
toilets in a motel. If one does it well, by and
by they'll give you a brush.


^@%>---*=#**

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"Keynes" <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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as long as they don't make
you clean the glory holes.

Lee Rudolph

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Nov 29, 2009, 9:47:46 AM11/29/09
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"^@%>---*=#**" <yom...@hotmail.com> writes:

The pay's not good for either job, but they're both all-you-can-eat.

Lee Rudolph

^@%>---*=#**

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"Lee Rudolph" <lrud...@panix.com> wrote in message
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ihop with a holier than thou attitude

daletx

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Nov 29, 2009, 12:29:17 PM11/29/09
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Love wrote:
> In article <Xns9CCFF3A1...@94.75.244.51>,
> k...@bonfils.your.underwear.com says...
>> "Wilson" <Wil...@nowhere.net> wrote in
>> news:yIednfQ2xfhWAJPW...@supernews.com:

>>
>>> Indeed. A patient in your government run universal health care system
>>> has no ability to bring a legal action against said government for
>>> redress of grievances. It's just another step down the road to serfdom.
>> Just for the record: In *our* government run health care system, of course
>> you can sue. You can also win.
>
> You can sue and win here too, it just isn't done all that
> often. One of the first things people notice about the
> difference between US TV and Canuck TV is the lack of
> lawyers advertising on Canuck TV. It's not a complete
> lack but there's far less of it. Those guys down south
> are litigation-happy I tell ya. Of course they probably
> need to be with even health services being considered
> fair game for wild west capitalism.

Hey, it would almost be worth *whatever* health care we got...or didn't
get...if you could promise it would get the damn lawyers off the teevee.

DT

daletx

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Nov 29, 2009, 12:34:32 PM11/29/09
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Oh, man....I seem to have *totally* forgotten all my high school
Hungarian...

DT

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