OT: Harry Potter
Shauna
> My beef is...parents should know that it is teaching a
> belief, that of wicca.I realize not everyone has a problem with it.
> I juust think with all the attention it is getting in the news media,
> it smacks of something not good.
>
> Vicki
I'd say it smacks of something VERY good. Children in the U.S. are
reading again! And so far I haven't seen any of them putting together
little covens of their own. Fantasy books are just that...FANTASY.
Kids know it, and for God's sake, these aren't the first fantasy
children's books to come down the road. I have a whole collection of
them from my own childhood. Whatever gets kids reading again, I'm all
for it. Even if it's (ugh!) Harlequin romances.
Shauna
Who is sick to death of the right-wing censorship that's being attempted
in this country
--
Emerald and ebony,
A warm and woolen moment
With arms like home
On a still, snowy night;
Whispered shadows
From a secret smile.
- from "Evening Portrait"
SuzyQ
Shauna wrote in message <39A5C5...@galaxynet.com>...
>vici...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> My beef is...parents should know that it is teaching a
>> belief, that of wicca.I realize not everyone has a problem with it.
>> I juust think with all the attention it is getting in the news media,
>> it smacks of something not good.
>>
>> Vicki
>
>
> I'd say it smacks of something VERY good. Children in the U.S. are
>reading again! And so far I haven't seen any of them putting together
>little covens of their own. Fantasy books are just that...FANTASY.
>Kids know it, and for God's sake, these aren't the first fantasy
>children's books to come down the road. I have a whole collection of
>them from my own childhood. Whatever gets kids reading again, I'm all
>for it. Even if it's (ugh!) Harlequin romances.
>
>Shauna
>Who is sick to death of the right-wing censorship that's being attempted
>in this country
I totally agree with you Shauna. I have got my kids the Harry Potter
series. They love it. I can remember reading the fantasy series "The Lion,
The Witch and the Wardrobe" I loved them when I was younger. Reading gives
a child a chance to improve their imagination.
SuzyQ
Melanie
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>
> I totally agree with you Shauna. I have got my kids the Harry Potter
> series. They love it. I can remember reading the fantasy series "The
Lion,
> The Witch and the Wardrobe" I loved them when I was younger. Reading
gives
> a child a chance to improve their imagination.
>
> SuzyQ
>
>
M
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Shauna
> In article <39A5C5...@galaxynet.com>,
> sh...@DELETEgalaxynet.com wrote:
> > vici...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > My beef is...parents should know that it is teaching a
> > > belief, that of wicca.I realize not everyone has a problem with it.
> > > I juust think with all the attention it is getting in the news
> media,
> > > it smacks of something not good.
> > >
> > > Vicki
> >
> > I'd say it smacks of something VERY good.
>
> I don't. The same arguement could be had for reading porn.
> Gee whiz at least they are reading.
<snip>
> I am sick of people like you always using that tired excuse whenever
> someone has a vaild point about books, movies, and kids!!!!!
> We are not talking adults, but kids!
> And how the media is promoting it.
You're surprisingly coherent today; however, you wouldn't know a valid
point if it poked you in the.....well, you know what I mean. Just the
fact that you're comparing children's books to porn says you're out of
touch with reality.
> I am sick an tired of the censorship that I have had to deal
> with in this newsgroup and it aint right wing, you hypocrite.
>
> Vicki
Perhaps if you were more rational and less paranoid, people would be
more willing to tolerate your ramblings. It's worth considering. Now
go back to your cabin and count your grenades, dear.
Shauna
Shauna
>
> "SuzyQ" <sem...@nospamfrontiernet.net> wrote:
> > I totally agree with you Shauna. I have got my kids the Harry Potter
> > series. They love it. I can remember reading the fantasy series "The
> Lion,
> > The Witch and the Wardrobe" I loved them when I was younger. Reading
> gives
> > a child a chance to improve their imagination.
> >
> > SuzyQ
> >
> >
> Did any of you ever read A Wrinkle In Time? I loved that one.....
>
> M
Lewis and L'Engle are awesome writers, but my favorite book was _Time
at the Top_. I loved that magic ride Susan took in the elevator back to
the 1800's. I felt like I was going along with her and discovering a
whole different world, a past I might have lived in if I had been born
at the right time. It was one of the first books I hunted down when I
started getting serious about creating my own library of books (which
includes _Wrinkle_ AND the Narnia series). Now I have a whole
collection of best-loved books from my childhood that I can pick up
whenever I want to go back to those magical days. It's also one of the
reasons I love teaching literature. You never know what's going to get
kids interested in reading...I like being the one that introduces them
to THE book that starts them on their way to becoming life-long readers.
Shauna
Who was also addicted to Alfred Hitchcock's _The Three Investigators_
mysteries!
NettiesArk
Lord of the Rings (oooo, gnomes and fairies and spells, oh my!)
Wizard of Oz (a witch and flying monkeys and poppieeeeeeeees-opium!)
Alice in Wonderland (drink the potion and you'll get small)
Too many to name!!!!!!
For goodness sake, Harry Potter is a nerd (he wears glasses and his hair sticks
up all over the place) who turns out to be the cool kid! He has mean teachers
just like other kids do, he has best friends who stick with him through
everything, he wins against the bad guys, I would have loved to have had this
book when I was in school!
I bet Vicki thinks rock and roll music makes you kill people too!
Annette
vici...@my-deja.com
sh...@DELETEgalaxynet.com wrote:
> vici...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > My beef is...parents should know that it is teaching a
> > belief, that of wicca.I realize not everyone has a problem with it.
> > I juust think with all the attention it is getting in the news
media,
> > it smacks of something not good.
> >
> > Vicki
>
> I'd say it smacks of something VERY good.
Vicki replies.
I don't. The same arguement could be had for reading porn.
Gee whiz at least they are reading.
Shauna writes,
Children in the U.S. are
> reading again!
And so far I haven't seen any of them putting together
> little covens of their own.
>Fantasy books are just that...FANTASY.
Vicki replies,
it still is a belief system that is being taught,
under the harmless label fantasy.
All fantasy isn't good, but, that's ok, you can believe
that it is so.
Shauna writes
> Kids know it, and for God's sake, these aren't the first fantasy
> children's books to come down the road. I have a whole collection of
> them from my own childhood. Whatever gets kids reading again, I'm all
> for it. Even if it's (ugh!) Harlequin romances.
>
Vicki writes,
Kids know it...know what? That they are being indoctrinated on
the sly?
Yeah, right?
What ever happen to the good fantasy that wasn't out to
be a change agent to peoples kids?
You know, like Peter Pan.
> Shauna
> Who is sick to death of the right-wing censorship that's being
attempted
> in this country
> --
Vicki writes
One it isnot censorship, it is making parents aware of what the book is
about.
Who said anything about banning it? Not I...so that don't work.
I am sick of people like you always using that tired excuse whenever
someone has a vaild point about books, movies, and kids!!!!!
We are not talking adults, but kids!
And how the media is promoting it.
I am sick an tired of the censorship that I have had to deal
with in this newsgroup and it aint right wing, you hypocrite.
Vicki
>
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< snipped>
> > I'd say it smacks of something VERY good.
>
>
> Vicki replies.
> I don't. The same arguement could be had for reading porn.
> Gee whiz at least they are reading.
What? I saw porn. Then what?
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Melanie
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My son doesn't like to read and I can't seem to get him interested. I think
I'll try the Harry Potter Books and possible hunt up L'Engle. He has a thing
for fantasy (gets it from me... lol) so maybe this can jump start him. It's
still to early for King I think.....
Shauna
If he won't do it on his own, you can read aloud together. You read a
couple pages, he reads a couple pages....sometimes sharing the work AND
the excitement of the story helps. Depends on the kid. How old is he?
Shauna
vici...@my-deja.com
>
> You're surprisingly coherent today; however, you wouldn't know
a valid
> point if it poked you in the.....well, you know what I mean. Just the
> fact that you're comparing children's books to porn says you're out of
> touch with reality.
>
Vicki replies,
Yeah, somebody must have died. Did you get that?
Here, let me help, someone must have flew the coop,
kicked the bucket, bit the bullet,
passed away, gone the way of all men.
Went visiting and ain't coming back
from boothill!
> > I am sick an tired of the censorship that I have had to deal
> > with in this newsgroup and it aint right wing, you hypocrite.
> >
> > Vicki
>
> Perhaps if you were more rational and less paranoid, people
would be
> more willing to tolerate your ramblings. It's worth considering. Now
> go back to your cabin and count your grenades, dear.
>
> Shauna
>
Vicki replies,
Perhaps, you should share with us the
long list of aliases you use.
Will we ever know the real Shauna?
Come out, come out, I know you are in there
under all those names and identies, must be hard
sometimes, uh? Keeping track, who
you are with whom.
--
Vicki
Lost is our simplicity of times,
The world abounds with laws,
and teems with crime.
Melanie
He'll be 10 next month. And for a while there he was reading those
Goosebumps books. He's got quite a few of them. But your suggestion is a
good one. I think he'll be getting some books on his birthday. :-)
M
Shauna
> > couple pages, he reads a couple pages....sometimes sharing the work AND
> > the excitement of the story helps. Depends on the kid. How old is he?
> >
> > Shauna
>
> He'll be 10 next month. And for a while there he was reading those
> Goosebumps books. He's got quite a few of them. But your suggestion is a
> good one. I think he'll be getting some books on his birthday. :-)
>
> M
I hope it works. Good luck!
Shauna
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I walk into a room
Just as cool as you please,
And to a man,
The fellows stand or
Fall down on their knees.
Then they swarm around me,
A hive of honey bees.
I say,
It's the fire in my eyes,
And the flash of my teeth,
The swing in my waist,
And the joy in my feet.
I'm a woman
Phenomenally.
Phenomenal woman,
That's me.
- Maya Angelou
Shauna
> Vicki replies,
> Perhaps, you should share with us the
> long list of aliases you use.
> Will we ever know the real Shauna?
> Come out, come out, I know you are in there
> under all those names and identies, must be hard
> sometimes, uh? Keeping track, who
> you are with whom.
Just who is it that you think I am? Willie Nelson? Bill Gates?
Stephen King?
Take your meds, Vicki.
Gary & lois Edwards
> reading again! And so far I haven't seen any of them putting together
> little covens of their own. Fantasy books are just that...FANTASY.
Yeah.....and just what about that guy who wrote Alice in Wonderland??? I
spent daaays waiting for a white rabbit to come along and tell me he was
late, so I could follow him down a rabbit hole....and then there was that
table with those DRUGS...saying "eat me, drink me"....Alice's out of mind
experiences with growing larger and smaller, certainly had to be a drug
induced halucination.
> Kids know it, and for God's sake, these aren't the first fantasy
> children's books to come down the road.
Using the above as an example, I would say you are absolutely right. Unless
you are among the few who believe that "Hey diddle, diddle, the cat and the
fiddle, and the dish ran away with the spoon" is a good source for
fact-based literature.
I have a whole collection of
> them from my own childhood. Whatever gets kids reading again, I'm all
> for it. Even if it's (ugh!) Harlequin romances.
Me too.....but if my sons started reading Harlequin Romances, we'd have to
have a talk. Both my sons are reading the Harry Potter series, and that's a
GOOD thing!!
>
> Shauna
> Who is sick to death of the right-wing censorship that's being attempted
> in this country
> --
> Emerald and ebony,
> A warm and woolen moment
> With arms like home
> On a still, snowy night;
> Whispered shadows
> From a secret smile.
>
> - from "Evening Portrait"
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Shauna
>
> Shauna <sh...@galaxynet.com> wrote in message
> > I'd say it smacks of something VERY good. Children in the U.S. are
> > reading again! And so far I haven't seen any of them putting together
> > little covens of their own. Fantasy books are just that...FANTASY.
>
> Yeah.....and just what about that guy who wrote Alice in Wonderland??? I
> spent daaays waiting for a white rabbit to come along and tell me he was
> late, so I could follow him down a rabbit hole....and then there was that
> table with those DRUGS...saying "eat me, drink me"....Alice's out of mind
> experiences with growing larger and smaller, certainly had to be a drug
> induced halucination.
Yes, but did you go into your refrigerator and start labeling all the
bottles and tupperware containers with "Eat me" and "Drink me"? I drove
my mother crazy, I did. ;)
> > Kids know it, and for God's sake, these aren't the first fantasy
> > children's books to come down the road.
>
> Using the above as an example, I would say you are absolutely right. Unless
> you are among the few who believe that "Hey diddle, diddle, the cat and the
> fiddle, and the dish ran away with the spoon" is a good source for
> fact-based literature.
You mean, it's not true?
> I have a whole collection of
> > them from my own childhood. Whatever gets kids reading again, I'm all
> > for it. Even if it's (ugh!) Harlequin romances.
>
> Me too.....but if my sons started reading Harlequin Romances, we'd have to
> have a talk. Both my sons are reading the Harry Potter series, and that's a
> GOOD thing!!
Well, I used to hide my sister's Harlequins. I kept telling her they
were trash, but she wouldn't listen. I, on the other hand, had a copy
of some Poe short stories hidden under my mattress when I was 11 or 12.
I loved them; my mother told me I couldn't read them. Kids will do
whatever they have a mind to do, one way or another. AND, I'm not TOO
warped from reading all of those horror books. Well, I guess that's a
matter of opinion.
Nice to hear from you, Lois!
Shauna
Melanie
> vici...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Vicki replies,
> > Perhaps, you should share with us the
> > long list of aliases you use.
> > Will we ever know the real Shauna?
> > Come out, come out, I know you are in there
> > under all those names and identies, must be hard
> > sometimes, uh? Keeping track, who
> > you are with whom.
>
>
>
> Just who is it that you think I am? Willie Nelson? Bill Gates?
> Stephen King?
>
> Take your meds, Vicki.
>
> Shauna
My bet is Willie Nelson.... hehehe
Melanie
> Yes, but did you go into your refrigerator and start labeling all the
> bottles and tupperware containers with "Eat me" and "Drink me"? I drove
> my mother crazy, I did. ;)
LMAO!!!
M
--
vici...@my-deja.com
>
> Just who is it that you think I am? Willie Nelson? Bill
Gates?
> Stephen King?
>
> Take your meds, Vicki.
>
> Shauna
oh look a clue! You must be Kelly, the female
cop from my home town. whooooo, the cold hearted
one. Yes, I remmeber you and I kept my word...i will
not pray for you or yours...as you killed the buddah.
Sing she told me, when I said it was so quiet.
Sing Vicki, she said...so I did!!!
sorta.
Yep, you, who with abit to much vengence ripped my handerchief
of my head. Does it bother you? How come?
I will never stop wearing it, just because it seems to bother you.
and you and another wrestled my arms behind my back
and then handcuffed drove this dangerous villan
to the jails of Abliene, wherr
I was harrassed by a sisssy of a man
who talks shit when women overpowered by brute force.
That's who I think you are, am I right? Kelly!
Shauna
I've never heard of a "buddah."
> Yep, you, who with abit to much vengence ripped my handerchief
What's a "handerchief"?
> and you and another wrestled my arms behind my back
> and then handcuffed drove this dangerous villan
> to the jails of Abliene
I don't own handcuffs, and I've never heard of "Abliene."
> That's who I think you are, am I right? Kelly!
Nope. You don't know me, Vicki. Contrary to what you believe, the
people you know in your daily life do not post to this group. Not
EVERYONE in the world posts to this group. The only thing I know about
you I've read from this group, from people who know you ONLY from this
group. Stop being so paranoid.
Shauna
vici...@my-deja.com
> book when I was in school!
> I bet Vicki thinks rock and roll music makes you kill people too!
>
> Annette
>
Damn...you got me pegged. Can't slip by you, you are so
very awake!
Vicki
Who has seen the wind?
Neither you nor I,
But when the trees bow down
their heads,
the wind is passing by!
vici...@my-deja.com
> vici...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > i will
> > not pray for you or yours...as you killed the buddah.
>
> I've never heard of a "buddah."
>
Vicki replies,
HA! I knew it, you're also a wanna be god. it never fails
The men in black have your name now.
It's my job, sorry, everyonme must make a living.
Uh Willie? (I'm so mean tonight)
It's just dammit, get off my back.
have you ever had that feeling?
> > Yep, you, who with abit to much vengence ripped my handerchief
>
> What's a "handerchief"?
>
Vikci replies,
can we say kerchief? Same thing, or how about bandanna?
I just bet when you turn your computer off,
you will go to bed with a smile. How superior
you are to me.
Think nothing of it, you are my good deed for the day.
> > and you and another wrestled my arms behind my back
> > and then handcuffed drove this dangerous villan
> > to the jails of Abliene
>
> I don't own handcuffs, and I've never heard of "Abliene."
Vicki replies,
WHAT? no handcuffs, and you have never heard of
the marxist town that was the home of one
of our presidents?
I am not surpise by this.
You must have been taught from one of those history books
that leave soooooo much out.
>
> > That's who I think you are, am I right? Kelly!
>
> Nope. You don't know me, Vicki. Contrary to what you believe,
the
> people you know in your daily life do not post to this group.
Vicki replies,
You think so? Well, ok....whatever.
Not
> EVERYONE in the world posts to this group. The only thing I know
about
> you I've read from this group, from people who know you ONLY from this
> group. Stop being so paranoid.
>
Vicki writes,
Paranoid? Theres that word again. PARANOID! WHO ME?
Noooooooo waaaaay!
I'm what you call VERY AWARE!
Vicki
;-)
> Shauna
> --
> Emerald and ebony,
> A warm and woolen moment
> With arms like home
> On a still, snowy night;
> Whispered shadows
> From a secret smile.
>
> - from "Evening Portrait"
>
Looney
'Nuff said.
:-)
Anthony "Looney" Toohey
----
It seems to me that if you or I must choose between
two courses of thought or action, we should remember
our dying and try so to live that our death brings no
pleasure to the world.
- John Steinbeck, "East of Eden"
Sven
>it is an example of the "indoctrination" of your kids
>today and parents are so clueless to it.
Bah - this is a load of crap. The Potter series is magnificent story
telling, and nothing more. And I've read them all, so I don't mind
reading spoilers - but those who haven't read the series will, you
know. So watch it.
- Sven
Jon Skeet
here's what I think I wrote on Friday morning :)
vici...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Then we have the book teaching there is no good or evil.
>
> "Lord Voldemort showed me how wrong I was. There is no good or evil
> only power,and those too weak to seek it...
Have you actually read the book? If so, you'll know that that line is
said by a bad guy. Do you think even the bad guys in books should act and
think ethically?
> One last example of a belief system being taught thru the book,
> in the Prisoner Of Azkaban, page 427-428
> they are talking about the death the headmaster Howart
> states"you can exist without your soul, you know, as long
> as your brain and heart are still working.
> But you'll have no sense of self anymore, no memory,no anything.
> theres no chance of recovery, you'll just exist. As an empty
> shell., then a professor tells Harry,
> "After-all, to the well organized mind, death is but the next great
> adventure.
Sounds like a fairly Christian idea, to me.
> My beef is...parents should know that it is teaching a
> belief, that of wicca.
Funny, since JK Rowling is a committed Christian.
The Harry Potter books have plenty of "good" values in them:
o Friends are worth defending
o The spirit of the rules matters more than the letter
(I believe Jesus said something very similar to that... think about
healing on the Sabbath, etc.)
o Love is an incredibly powerful force
o Hard work is rewarded (I'm thinking particularly of Hermione)
o "Ethnic cleansing" (of mudbloods, for example) and racial hatred are
awful things
--
Jon Skeet - sk...@pobox.com
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
Shauna
<standing and applauding> Nice list, Jon. The best thing I see in
these books is that they do show kids that behavior has concequences,
whether that behavior is good or bad. And it shows this in a
nicely-written, well-characterized, highly-entertaining story.
Shauna
--
vici...@my-deja.com
>
> Have you actually read the book? If so, you'll know that that line is
> said by a bad guy. Do you think even the bad guys in books should act
and
> think ethically?
>
No,I have not. You are right, I will do that. I should
known better, I will check one how and see for myself
what this commetted christian has written.
If that is the case, then, I have all the more reason
to question it. I find it difficult to beleive
that a committed chrsitian's book
would be so hailed by the media at large, if he
were indeed
that, for whom they speak well of, well,it
makes me look all the harder at bthe book and the author!
it has become a reflex of a sort, a thing of it's self.
Vicki
Sven
>In article <kuskqs47cigcl4q3g...@4ax.com>,
>yes it is...this neverending planting seeds of an occult
>nature without the consent of the parents was and is
>crap.
>but, let christians do the same and boy how
>up in arms you would be...I got my own
>kid fantasy books with my belief within the pages.
>He is my kid...it's this writing books and parents thinking
>how very innocent it all is, when it is not.
You don't really go out of your way to make sense, do you?
>Parents need to know, thats all...why do people
>get all up in arms with that whole concept?
I am a parent too, and I wouldn't hesitate to show my kid the Harry
Potter books. She's not old enough to understand anything yet, though.
>you may think it crap...well guess what I think
>OF you and your thoughts on it are crap...hows that grab you?
Don't much bother me.
>and I signed my real name weenie! I am not ashamed of
>the words I post nor of what I believe...
>WEENIE!
>
>Vicki
What's that? Your real name is Weenie?
- Sven
Aladraugen
>Here let me try again. Lets see, what part you may not have got.
>let me try it this way. (words are a marvelous thing, uh?)
>They have meaning. And try as you might, you can't change it,
>it, being, the meaning of the word, without a WHOLE lot of work.
>
>You will have only changed it for those you don't know better!
> "neverending planting of occult theory "seeds"
>without parents being aware...was that better.
>
>Get a dictionary and if you cannot understand the concept of seeds,
*YOU* are telling me to get a dictionary? That's funny- I thought you
believed in spelling words wrong, as you mentioned in another post
earlier.
By the way, I get your point, confused as it is, but it is *so*
far-fetched... Do you really mean that kids reading Harry Potter as
young will go on to don black robes and perform occult rituals in dark
cellars?
You're nutters.
>well then, it's really useless to bother trying anymore
>to explain...
>and I with my John Dewey virus, still will truimph, when
>it'sa all said done. Watch and see.
Come off it. What's a John Dewey virus? An uncontrollable urge to look
up dewey numbers in the library?
- Sven
Aladraugen
>
>
>
>>
>> Just as you believe you can post idiotic bullshit like the stuff
>you've been
>> posting for the last year or so and never be called on it. I simply
>decided
>> not to argue, but make fun of you instead.
>
>
>
>Vicki replies,
>called on it. Right. I got under your skin. Good.
>
>I ahve always been dead serious about what i say, from day one.
>It's why I refuse to hide who I am.
>I have no need to hide. I am not afraid
>of the light. I seek his searching eye.
>I plead, If their be anything unclean,
>displeasing, remove it from me Oh God!
>
>That takes guts. Something you lack.
I'd say that makes you a fanatic.
By the way, get a dictionary. :-P
- Sven
Wojo
>Vicki replies,
>called on it. Right. I got under your skin. Good.
Yes. He would like that.
>
>I ahve always been dead serious about what i say, from day one.
And what do YOU think frightens (or amuses) people?
>It's why I refuse to hide who I am.
God help Usenet if you *were* a tr*ll.
>I have no need to hide. I am not afraid
>of the light. I seek his searching eye.
Be afraid of the light Vicki...be very afraid. His searching eye
overpassed you to check out that chick behind you with not only a
great set of knockers, but an actual mind of her own.
>I plead, If their be anything unclean,
>displeasing, remove it from me Oh God!
Has He not removed everything from your life since you decided the
world was at war Vicki? Honestly...what do you have now? Deja.
That's it.
>
>That takes guts. Something you lack.
He may lack guts, but I bet he gets laid occasionally.....
Wojo
Gettin' off on the newest incarnation of Vicki
Please visit alt.underground
vicki...@my-deja.com
> By the way, I get your point, confused as it is, but it is *so*
> far-fetched... Do you really mean that kids reading Harry Potter as
> young will go on to don black robes and perform occult rituals in dark
> cellars?
>
> You're nutters.
Sorry the thing I speak about is way over your head.
And those words have more than one meaning to...and you won't get it.
Rebecca Austin
books, mostly because my son is still in the Dr Suess stage of
reading. I am also a Wiccan, which I why I'm responding to this
thread.<snipped to conserve space and not annoy people who have already read
this>
>He is berating the kids for their lack of knowledge of making drugs
>when adding powered root of asphodel to an infusion of wormwood."
>Did you know the plant wormwood cantians thujone, a hypnotic drug,
>which is bannedby the FDA, and wormwood is used to made Absinthe, a
>hallucinnogenic liquer.
>In the book the children must drink the poitons in order
>to reach their goals.
>Then we have the book teaching there is no good or evil.
>"Lord Voldemort showed me how wrong I was. There is no good or evil
>only power,and those too weak to seek it...
>My beef is...parents should know that it is teaching a
>belief, that of wicca.I realize not everyone has a problem with it.
>I juust think with all the attention it is getting in the news media,
>it smacks of something not good.
Okay, this series, is NOT teaching Wicca. It may be teaching
acceptance of the occult, but it is not teaching my religion. I can
send a few links of Wiccans articles about the books and interviews
done with mainstream newspapers about the differences in the religion
of Wicca, and a series of fantasy novels.
Just as a quick overview.
Wicca is a nature based religion, often polytheistic (believing in
many Gods) focusing on a God and Goddess, usually from pre-Christian
European mythologies, such as Greco-Roman, Norse or Celtic.
Wiccan religion does not condone breaking the law (as implied in your
quote)
Wicca does not have a set of "morals" like the Judeo-Christian Bible,
but a Rede "An it harm none, do what you Will" meaning that anything
that doesn't harm anyone is okay. Different tradtions of Wicca may
have more than this.
Wiccans do not prosletyze. We believe that all religions are valid,
but we WILL correct people who think our religion is something other
than one it is.
Wiccans will usually not teach anyone under the age of eighteen unless
they are their own children for various reasons, including the idea
that parents should have the right to teach their children.
Wiccans are not Satanists. Since we base our beliefs off of
pre-Christain ideas, Satan is not part of the picture, Satan is a
Christian concept of a figure of evil. Most Wiccans do not believe in
any figure of Evil.
I do however agree that parents should read what their children are
reading, as well as watching what programs and websites their
children, especially young children, do. That's just part of being a
good parent.
Please take responses off absk, since this is off topic for the group,
I will be happy to respond to email.
Rebecca
Wojo
>Thanks for this post. See, playing innocent while...
>i wish I knew who you were, but, you are such
>a bold coward as long as you remain hidden from others
>eyes...and yes, WOJO, you will not excape
>his searching eyes...
For the worlds eyes (like ANYONE doesn't already KNOW this)
My name is Ken Woyach
I live in Baraboo, WI
My phone number is 608-355-9430
I'd KILL for you to call me vick.
>Vengence is mine, I will repay.
>I rest on those words....their is justice in the end.
gimme a call babe...we'll see how it goes. :)
>
>> >That takes guts. Something you lack.
Really? 608-355-9430,
Wojo
displaying his guts...hoping Vickis sword doesn't make them history
Please visit alt.underground
Aladraugen
>
>
>> By the way, I get your point, confused as it is, but it is *so*
>> far-fetched... Do you really mean that kids reading Harry Potter as
>> young will go on to don black robes and perform occult rituals in dark
>> cellars?
>>
>> You're nutters.
>
>
>
>Sorry the thing I speak about is way over your head.
>And those words have more than one meaning to...and you won't get it.
Hey tots, don't try and act like you're the intellectual superior
here. There were no hidden meanings or double entendres in your
message. And you neglected to answer my question about your alleged
virus.
You know, you could try locating this book: "How to win friends and
influence people". It's written by Dale Carnegie, and was first
published in 1936. Tolle lege, tolle lege.
- Sven
SuzyQ
vicki...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8p15nl$p70$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <s1d1rs8stnusivt4u...@4ax.com>,
>of Napoleon Hill.
>
>Besides, everyone knows the number one way is to
>have money, the other is thru character,
>the ability to reason.
>
>The problem is some are so far gone, that
>reason no longer can chip thru the layers of illusion,
>laid with such skill.
IMO the only one here having a problem with reality is you. If you can't
tell the difference between fantasy and facts then you were never given the
chance to play alot were you? Hypothetically so no need to answer, please
for my benefit and everyone elses.
SuzyQ
Robert Whelan
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Pike wrote:
> Personally, I'm a good deal more concerned about the "hype" machine behind
> the Harry Potter phenomenon, than I am about any occult aspects of the
> stories. I'm all for anything that encourages children to read, but the
> marketing strategy for these books is just a bit "manipulative" for my
> tastes. (The name of the new book is locked in a vault and guarded by 60
> storm troopers with machine guns and hand grenades...what, oh what can the
> name of that new book be? Pleeeeeze!) There are a lot of good childrens'
> books out there, and I would hope that parents are using the interest
> spurred by the Potter books to introduce their children to other types of
> reading, as well.
Harry Potter is the new Pokemon. It appeals to the same thing in kids,
the desire to command power. It's simplistic, repetitive, moronic
crap, and in order to maximize the profits, while the kids are still
interested in it, the hype is necessary.
When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
is beginning to be.
The Other Kim
>Harry Potter is the new Pokemon. It appeals to the same thing in kids,
>the desire to command power. It's simplistic, repetitive, moronic
>crap, and in order to maximize the profits, while the kids are still
>interested in it, the hype is necessary.
Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
You just can't accept that not everyone shares your opinions.
>When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
>is beginning to be.
There's one big difference between Harry Potter and Pokemon; Harry
appeals to adults, too, and will not disappear as quickly as Pokemon
will.
The Other Kim
Pike
news:Pine.GSO.4.21.00090...@amanda.dorsai.org...
> Harry Potter is the new Pokemon. It appeals to the same thing in kids,
> the desire to command power. It's simplistic, repetitive, moronic
> crap, and in order to maximize the profits, while the kids are still
> interested in it, the hype is necessary.
I can't comment, I haven't actually read the Potter books. My reading list
is long enough as it is. I would suspect that there must be "something" to
them, beyond the hype, but who knows? If it's a way to introduce children
to reading, I suppose it's OK; but if that's all they ever read then it's a
wasted opportunity.
> When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
> is beginning to be.
Your Pokemon analogy is very interesting. We had fads when I was a kid
too... remember Whizzers, Knockers, Wacky Packages (my personal favorite)...
but nothing that compares with Pokemon or Harry Potter.
What do you think of the statement, "frequent flier miles are Pokemon for
adults... we collect them, we trade them, we go to ridiculous lengths to get
them?"
-Pike-
Robert Whelan
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, The Other Kim wrote:
> Robert wrote:
>
> >Harry Potter is the new Pokemon. It appeals to the same thing in kids,
> >the desire to command power. It's simplistic, repetitive, moronic
> >crap, and in order to maximize the profits, while the kids are still
> >interested in it, the hype is necessary.
>
>
> Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
> that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
With moronic adults, with a lot of rage. Mr. Stephen King admits
that he read, and enjoyed them, under the influence of heavy
pain medication. And the Potter books share with Mr. King's
recen work the habit of painting the good buys by their
confrontation with repulsive people. The good guys are
characterized almost solely by the fact that they are NOT
the repulsive people.
> You just can't accept that not everyone shares your opinions.
Who said they did?
> >When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
> >is beginning to be.
>
>
> There's one big difference between Harry Potter and Pokemon; Harry
> appeals to adults, too, and will not disappear as quickly as Pokemon
> will.
Moronic adults. What struck me about the first Harry Potter book was
how sneeringly mean it was...exactly the same sort of attitude
as in King's recent novels...no wonder King gets off on it, and
certain moronic King fans do as well.
Danicka
"Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.21.00090...@amanda.dorsai.org...
> > Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
> > that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
>
> With moronic adults, with a lot of rage. Mr. Stephen King admits
> that he read, and enjoyed them, under the influence of heavy
> pain medication. And the Potter books share with Mr. King's
> recen work the habit of painting the good buys by their
> confrontation with repulsive people. The good guys are
> characterized almost solely by the fact that they are NOT
> the repulsive people.
Firstly, Robert, I resent being called moronic. Secondly, define repulsive
please and explain how the good guys are not. From what I've read the good guys
are not handsome at all and a couple of the bad guys were considered models of
their "society" until found out to be bad people.
> > There's one big difference between Harry Potter and Pokemon; Harry
> > appeals to adults, too, and will not disappear as quickly as Pokemon
> > will.
>
> Moronic adults. What struck me about the first Harry Potter book was
> how sneeringly mean it was...exactly the same sort of attitude
> as in King's recent novels...no wonder King gets off on it, and
> certain moronic King fans do as well.
Again with the stereotyping? How obtuse Robert. Can't most books with the good
guy/bad guy theme have the same thing said of them?
Danicka
Robert Whelan
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Pike wrote:
> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.00090...@amanda.dorsai.org...
>
> > Harry Potter is the new Pokemon. It appeals to the same thing in kids,
> > the desire to command power. It's simplistic, repetitive, moronic
> > crap, and in order to maximize the profits, while the kids are still
> > interested in it, the hype is necessary.
>
> I can't comment, I haven't actually read the Potter books. My reading list
> is long enough as it is. I would suspect that there must be "something" to
> them, beyond the hype, but who knows? If it's a way to introduce children
> to reading, I suppose it's OK; but if that's all they ever read then it's a
> wasted opportunity.
There's "something" to Pokemon too, but it isn't that deep, or complex.
It's variations on power...learn how to play the game, "train" your
Pokemon monster to defeat other Pokemon monsters. Harry Potter is
the same. Harry gets to learn magic, defeat monsters, discomfit
annoying people. The books read like a platform Nintendo video
game, with Harry as the little character, like Mario, leaping
about, collecting magic items and magic keys, so he can go on
to the next eye candy level, and fight some new monster, and
look for new items to fight the new monsters with.
> > When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
> > is beginning to be.
>
> Your Pokemon analogy is very interesting. We had fads when I was a kid
> too... remember Whizzers, Knockers, Wacky Packages (my personal favorite)...
> but nothing that compares with Pokemon or Harry Potter.
There was the Goosebumps fad.
> What do you think of the statement, "frequent flier miles are Pokemon for
> adults... we collect them, we trade them, we go to ridiculous lengths to get
> them?"
I only feel that way about Jack Vance paperbacks.
Stephen Milligan
> Robert wrote:
>>Harry Potter is the new Pokemon.
> Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
> that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
> You just can't accept that not everyone shares your opinions.
> >When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
> >is beginning to be.
> There's one big difference between Harry Potter and Pokemon; Harry
> appeals to adults, too, and will not disappear as quickly as Pokemon
> will.
Robert's silly theory (and I am willing to bet he has not read the
books, but if he has, I suspect he read them in the same foul,
bent-on-radical-deconstructionistic mode as he now reads King)
conveniently ignores the fact that Rowling's books became hugely popular
on the basis of simple, playground word of mouth. The hype machine
jumped on the bandwagon this time, (about the time the third book came
out) not the otherway around.
Furthermore, the entire story arc has been plotted and mapped out since
before the first book was written. The hype machine is driving nothing
in this case.
These are good books. A good story well and honestly told. They are even
being studied in at least one, newly created, university level English
course.
Stevie
Looney
Don't hold your breath for an intellignet answer, Danicka. Once again he's
simply jealous, just like he is of King. He's a frustrated wannabe
intellectual and the only way he can feed his twisted ego is to hang out in a
community of people and try and build himself up by tearing down those around
him. That's why nobody likes him, and that's why he's so pathetic...
Guess I'll have to un-killfile him now, just to be fair...
Anthony "Looney" Toohey
----
It seems to me that if you or I must choose between
two courses of thought or action, we should remember
our dying and try so to live that our death brings no
pleasure to the world.
- John Steinbeck, "East of Eden"
Mel^_^
>>
>Harry Potter is the new Pokemon. It appeals to the same thing in kids,
>the desire to command power. It's simplistic, repetitive, moronic
>crap, and in order to maximize the profits, while the kids are still
>interested in it, the hype is necessary.
>
>When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
>is beginning to be.
Ya know....not to be the eternal optimist here, but at least the kids are
reading. I'd rather spend twenty bucks on a Harry Potter book than spend a
hundred and twenty on trading cards, movie tickets, videos, and toys which
have no constructive value. At least it *may* encourage the kids to go out
and read other things...even eventually some of King's older works, which
you love so dearly. If they're not encouraged to read from the offset, then
they'll just be another generation of tv junkies like mine is...and Robert,
before you tell me that parents should use other books to encourage their
kids to read.....sometimes it's easier to capitalize on such a largely
marketed item (such as Harry Potter)....the 'sheepism' inadvertently may
benefit the kid...who thinks he/she is doing something 'cool'....and is
actually becoming interested in literature. Least..it worked that way for
me....Babysitters Club, Bunnicula, Ramona...it all made me love books.
Mel
>
--
From *A Very Brady Sequel*
Mike Brady : " A gift is only a good thing when the giver has given thought
to that gift. But when the gift the giver gives gives grief, then that gift
should give the givee regrets."
Stephie
saw a book by some guy named John Smith and a book by Stephen King but
almost the same book which one would you pick? Most of us would grab the
Stephen King book just because we like his writing. Kids like Harry Potter
because they like to read about magic and the idea of a world where it's
possible, it's no different than all of us liking the dark tower series.
Plus does it really matter what they're reading as long as it's fun for them
and gets them to read? I have an eleven year old daughter who has read Piers
Anthony and some Stephen King (the milder stuff) and she loves Harry Potter
she likes the idea of there being a world where it's possible she says. I'm
just glad she likes to read.
Stephie
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how
improbable, must be the truth."
- Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)
Robert Whelan
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, SuzyQ wrote:
> Once again I can see you are being a self-absorbed prick. Don't you have
> anything better to do with your time?
Hey, SuzyQ!
Go Fuck yourself.
Robert Whelan
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Danicka wrote:
>
> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.00090...@amanda.dorsai.org...
>
> > > Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
> > > that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
> >
> > With moronic adults, with a lot of rage. Mr. Stephen King admits
> > that he read, and enjoyed them, under the influence of heavy
> > pain medication. And the Potter books share with Mr. King's
> > recen work the habit of painting the good buys by their
> > confrontation with repulsive people. The good guys are
> > characterized almost solely by the fact that they are NOT
> > the repulsive people.
>
>
> Firstly, Robert, I resent being called moronic.
Sorry, you are.
Secondly, define repulsive
> please and explain how the good guys are not. From what I've read the good guys
> are not handsome at all and a couple of the bad guys were considered models of
> their "society" until found out to be bad people.
You mean, you, as the reader, have no clue that they are bad guys just
because they are considered models in their society? Harry likes them
and they like Harry?
> > > There's one big difference between Harry Potter and Pokemon; Harry
> > > appeals to adults, too, and will not disappear as quickly as Pokemon
> > > will.
> >
> > Moronic adults. What struck me about the first Harry Potter book was
> > how sneeringly mean it was...exactly the same sort of attitude
> > as in King's recent novels...no wonder King gets off on it, and
> > certain moronic King fans do as well.
>
> Again with the stereotyping? How obtuse Robert. Can't most books with the good
> guy/bad guy theme have the same thing said of them?
You can have bad guys who aren't moronically evil, to make the reader
rejoice in their goodness in contrast, because they aren't as
moronically evil as the bad guys.
Robert Whelan
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Stephen Milligan wrote:
> The Other Kim wrote:
>
> > Robert wrote:
>
> >>Harry Potter is the new Pokemon.
>
> > Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
> > that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
> > You just can't accept that not everyone shares your opinions.
>
> > >When the kids get fed up, Harry will be forgotten, just as Pokemon
> > >is beginning to be.
>
> > There's one big difference between Harry Potter and Pokemon; Harry
> > appeals to adults, too, and will not disappear as quickly as Pokemon
> > will.
>
>
> Robert's silly theory (and I am willing to bet he has not read the
> books, but if he has, I suspect he read them in the same foul,
> bent-on-radical-deconstructionistic mode as he now reads King)
> conveniently ignores the fact that Rowling's books became hugely popular
> on the basis of simple, playground word of mouth. The hype machine
> jumped on the bandwagon this time, (about the time the third book came
> out) not the otherway around.
Pokemon was also an underground hit, and then hype capitalized on it.
> Furthermore, the entire story arc has been plotted and mapped out since
> before the first book was written. The hype machine is driving nothing
> in this case.
What has that got to do with the "hype machine"? Can't a story be
mapped out and still be hyped?
> These are good books. A good story well and honestly told. They are even
> being studied in at least one, newly created, university level English
> course.
And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
opinion of a "good story" is worth. Mind telling me what University
is studying these books? I'll bet you can find the same University
level English course teaching Bobbsey Twins books.
I took an English Seminar in which the main subject being taught was
the professor's dislike of his mother in law. Universities are
known for providing mickey mouse courses for their less bright
students to pass easily.
Jon Skeet
> And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
> opinion of a "good story" is worth.
Yes, we do: exactly as much as *your* opinion is worth.
--
Jon Skeet - sk...@pobox.com
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
Wag
Jon Skeet wrote in message ...
>rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
>> And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
>> opinion of a "good story" is worth.
>
>Yes, we do: exactly as much as *your* opinion is worth.
>
>--
>Jon Skeet
But Jon, it's not *nearly* as entertaining. <g>
Wag
the wench and her slave
years old) about D&D, based on their interest in HP and Pokemon, both of
which owe some recognition to the role-playing idea.
I must say both girls have taken to role-playing like ducks, they love the
idea of researching 'abilities' before claiming them, and have learnt a lot
about armour, weapons and magic (from the web and books). It is all a
learning experience, and hey, if in my day, it was Enid Blyton who prompted
me to D&D, what difference to JK Rowling ? ? for our kids? I personally
think EB was a better writer than JKR, but given what the media is like now,
who's to say Enid couldn't done better if her books come out now?
I'm sure a lot of SK's popularity has to do with his name, but I'm the first
to front up for his next book, regardless of its quality . . .
Jane - Downunda, and gearing up for the invasion for the Olympics . . .
Scott
Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote
> With moronic adults, with a lot of rage. Mr. Stephen King admits
>
Can't drive home your point without being exceedingly abrasive and
insulting, Robert?
Sounds like 'troll-like' behaviour to me.
insinuated
Scott
Scott
Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote > >
> > Firstly, Robert, I resent being called moronic.
>
> Sorry, you are.
>
TROLL ALERT!
warned
Scott
Scott
Robert Whelan <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote
> I took an English Seminar in which the main subject being taught was
> the professor's dislike of his mother in law. Universities are
> known for providing mickey mouse courses for their less bright
> students to pass easily.
So you are saying you passed?
Or is it possible that you are pissed off because you were so busy
criticizing the professor, who obviously wouldn't know nearly as much as
you, you fudged the course and all those 'less bright' students went on to
bigger and better things whilst you stewed in your own anal-retentiveness.
pondered
Scott
who read this as a self-admission in stupidity
Nushae S Fahey
> Jon Skeet wrote in message ...
> >rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
> >> And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
> >> opinion of a "good story" is worth.
> >Yes, we do: exactly as much as *your* opinion is worth.
Speak for yourself...
Nushae S Fahey
--
Nushae's law: any message in which judge levels are quoted should be mistrusted.
nushae at stack dot nl |"| (" |"
Anything's good if it's made of chocolate... with hazelnuts. | | _) |"
Scott
Wag <mwa...@castellinicompany.com> wrote >
> Robert is making me feel gay by lusting after you.
Dude....... under no circumstances should you ever let *Robert* make you
feel gay. He can make you feel angry, sick, silly, stupid, indignant,
terrified and even make you wanna feel yourself, but never gay.
You need help Dude.
snickered
Scott
who once felt Gay, but she slapped the shit out of me.
Wojo
<rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote:
>> Firstly, Robert, I resent being called moronic.
>
>Sorry, you are.
You are REALLY starting to piss me off Robert. I can't believe I ever
defended your insulting ass. You make me sick, asshole.
Wojo
Who's starting to lose his concern
Please visit the underground
www.geocities.com/altunderground/underground.html
Wojo
Wow. Andy???
Asshole.
Wojo
NettiesArk
>>
>>Sorry, you are.
H, my name is Annette and I'm a moron and proud of it. I certainly don't want
to be a "Robert"
Annette
Wag
Nushae S Fahey wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:14:46 -0400, chocolate overdose made Wag scream:
>> Jon Skeet wrote in message ...
>> >rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
>> >> And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
>> >> opinion of a "good story" is worth.
>> >Yes, we do: exactly as much as *your* opinion is worth.
>> But Jon, it's not *nearly* as entertaining. <g>
>
>Speak for yourself...
>
>Nushae S Fahey
Velcome to seveen-eleveen,
Pleeze to purchase a slushee?
Wag
A man who does speak for himself.
NettiesArk
selling author making tons of money and he didn't think of it. Jealousy rearing
it's ugly green head.
Question:Has Robert actually read these books with an OPEN mind?
Annette
Wojo
LOLOL!!!!
Question: Has Robert ever done ANYTHING with an open mind?
Wojo
Who, with apologies to some, feels that Robert really needs to get
blasted over the way he's insulting some people. Namely Danicka,
SuzyQ, and Nettie. I'll not let up on the little bastard until he
apologizes and shuts up.
NettiesArk
>blasted over the way he's insulting some people. Namely Danicka,
>SuzyQ, and Nettie.
It doesn't bother me. I feel sorry for Robert. I can't imagine going through
life with that much hate and jealousy rolling around inside of me. To look at
things that other people enjoy and be filled with rage and envy....to not have
anything that you enjoy doing other than making other people feel bad about
what they choose to like is just sad.
What would make me feel bad is to have Robert pat me on the back or agree with
me, now that is scary!
Annette
Wojo
<ga...@bmi.net> wrote:
>
>
>NettiesArk <netti...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000907131408...@ng-bg1.aol.com...
>Question:Has Robert actually read these books with an OPEN mind?
>>
>> Annette
>
>Uh.....Annette,
>Robert doesn't HAVE an open mind. It's probably closed tighter than his
>sphincter. Wait, I'm being redundant, aren't I.
>Lois E.
ROFL!!!!
You don't say much these days Lois, but when you do...
Wojo
Robert Whelan
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Wojo wrote:
> On 07 Sep 2000 17:14:08 GMT, netti...@aol.com (NettiesArk) wrote:
>
> >Observation: We all know Robert hates these books because it's another best
> >selling author making tons of money and he didn't think of it. Jealousy rearing
> >it's ugly green head.
> >Question:Has Robert actually read these books with an OPEN mind?
>
> LOLOL!!!!
>
> Question: Has Robert ever done ANYTHING with an open mind?
>
>
> Wojo
> Who, with apologies to some, feels that Robert really needs to get
> blasted over the way he's insulting some people. Namely Danicka,
> SuzyQ, and Nettie. I'll not let up on the little bastard until he
> apologizes and shuts up.
Baloney. You are mad because I insulted you.
Robert Whelan
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Wojo wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 05:25:15 -0400, Robert Whelan
> <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote:
>
>
> >> Firstly, Robert, I resent being called moronic.
> >
> >Sorry, you are.
>
> You are REALLY starting to piss me off Robert. I can't believe I ever
> defended your insulting ass. You make me sick, asshole.
>
>
> Wojo
> Who's starting to lose his concern
Oh, I thought you "lost your concern" when you started playing with
Vicki. And you still have shown no concern over playing with Icy
continuously. You phony hypocrite. You have no "concern" for
the newsgroup except for the entertainment it provides you.
You want regulars to return to the newsgroup, despite your
clogging it with crap, because the newsgroup gets boring with
only your crap in it.
Come on. Show some concern. Stop responding to Vicki and Icy.
Robert Whelan
On 7 Sep 2000, NettiesArk wrote:
> Observation: We all know Robert hates these books because it's another best
> selling author making tons of money and he didn't think of it.
So why do I like SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? How come I hated the first
WHEEL OF TIME book, but gave the second and third books a try, and
found them fairly entertaining?
Observation: When someone says "we all know" they are usually lying.
> it's ugly green head.
> Question:Has Robert actually read these books with an OPEN mind?
Question: Has Annette read any books USING her mind?
Robert Whelan
If a stupid person can pass a course, does that mean that a smart
person can't pass it? Or that if a smart person passes the stupid
course, it means he is stupid?
Sounds like something a stupid person would say.
Wojo
<rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote:
I'm a hypocrite am I? Maybe, to a degree, in that I wanted to improve
shit here. But the fact that I now get emails about how the other
group (you know, the one you suggested) took all the life out of ABSK
indicates to me that my "clogging it with crap" isn't bad to everyone.
Since when did you become the moderator Robert? Hm? I don't see a
lot of people jumping in to aide you. I'm sure there *are* a few who
agree with what you're saying about replying to Vicki, but I highly
doubt that too many approve of your calling people morons because they
like books that you don't. The fact that you don't seem to think
you're a troll cracks me up man. Hell, maybe I *am* a "trollfish"
given that I always seem to want to respond to your idiocy.
FOAD Robbie.
Wojo
Wojo
LOL again. I could give a rat's ass if you insult me you moron.
You've been conversing with me long enough to know that. Your
opinions mean nothing to anyone anyway, so why should I give a fuck
what your opinion of me is? Idiot.
Wojo
NettiesArk
>
>Question: Has Annette read any books USING her mind
So I take it your answer to the question would be "no"?
Annette
Nushae S Fahey
Of course an OPEN mind requires a mind... But no, he plainly hasn't. Either
that or he's a damn good actor.
Wojo
<rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote:
>Question: Has Annette read any books USING her mind?
Question: Has Robert ever used HIS mind when posting?
I'd bet IRL you're just a weasley weak little man. You probably shy
away from anyone who looks at you funny. I wouldn't be surprised,
given your obvious disregard for women, if you beat them.
You're simply not a man in my book Robert.
And, say what you will about me "playing" with Vicki and Icy, I think
it's YOU that needs to grow up.
Robert Whelan
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Jon Skeet wrote:
> rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
> > And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
> > opinion of a "good story" is worth.
>
> Yes, we do: exactly as much as *your* opinion is worth.
That's an insult, Jon.
Wojo
You're bright Robbie. How long did you stare at that before coming to
that conclusion?
SuzyQ
Robert Whelan wrote in message ...
>
>
>On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Danicka wrote:
>
>>
>> "Robert Whelan" <rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.GSO.4.21.00090...@amanda.dorsai.org...
>>
>> > > Amazing. These books are a good, fun, quick read; ever think that
>> > > that's why they're popular, and not just with kids?
>> >
>> > With moronic adults, with a lot of rage. Mr. Stephen King admits
>> > pain medication. And the Potter books share with Mr. King's
>> > recen work the habit of painting the good buys by their
>> > confrontation with repulsive people. The good guys are
>> > characterized almost solely by the fact that they are NOT
>> > the repulsive people.
>>
>>
>> Firstly, Robert, I resent being called moronic.
>
>Sorry, you are.
And you are a FUCKHEAD!!!
SuzyQ
who will put up with alot of his shit but NOT when it comes to my sister.
SuzyQ
Scott wrote in message ...
I was thinking more like ASSHOLE ALERT!!!!!!!! He will never have to worry
about hemmoroids as he is a perfect asshole.
SuzyQ
SuzyQ
NettiesArk wrote in message
<20000907131408...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
Better one yet here Annette. Has he actually even read these books at all?
SuzyQ
SuzyQ
Robert Whelan wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>> Once again I can see you are being a self-absorbed prick. Don't you have
>> anything better to do with your time?
>
>Hey, SuzyQ!
>
>Go Fuck yourself.
Would have to say it would probably be better then fucking you.
SuzyQ
Wojo
Oh my. Stacey are you having a bad day kiddo?
SuzyQ
Wojo wrote in message ...
>On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:49:56 -0500, "SuzyQ"
><sem...@nospamfrontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Robert Whelan wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, SuzyQ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Once again I can see you are being a self-absorbed prick. Don't you
have
>>>> anything better to do with your time?
>>>
>>>Hey, SuzyQ!
>>>
>>>Go Fuck yourself.
>>
>>
>>Would have to say it would probably be better then fucking you.
>
>Oh my. Stacey are you having a bad day kiddo?
>
>Wojo
nope having a very good day. :-)
SuzyQ
Stephen Milligan
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Stephen Milligan wrote:
>>Robert's silly theory (and I am willing to bet he has not read the
>>books, but if he has, I suspect he read them in the same foul,
>>bent-on-radical-deconstructionistic mode as he now reads King)
>>conveniently ignores the fact that Rowling's books became hugely
>>popular on the basis of simple, playground word of mouth. The hype
>>machine jumped on the bandwagon this time, (about the time the third
>>book came out) not the otherway around.
> Pokemon was also an underground hit, and then hype capitalized on it.
Rowling's books were not an "underground hit" prior to the hype machine
jumping on the bandwagon. They were a legitimate success. And pretty
much solely on the basis of kid to kid word of mouth.
>>Furthermore, the entire story arc has been plotted and mapped out
>>since before the first book was written. The hype machine is driving
>>nothing in this case.
> What has that got to do with the "hype machine"? Can't a story be
> mapped out and still be hyped?
You are being intentionally obtuse, yes? The point is, the hype machine
is _not_ driving the story, or the writing. When taken in tandem with
the fact that the books were a success prior to the hype, that means the
hype is irrelevant to any analysis of the quality of the books. Get it?
I expect you don't ... or maybe you do and are just pretending. Hmmmm
... a troll, or just plain dense? It's a conundrum!
>>These are good books. A good story well and honestly told. They are
>>even being studied in at least one, newly created, university level
>>English course.
> And we know, Stevie "Rose Madder is King's best book ever" what your
> opinion of a "good story" is worth.
I know what my opinion is worth. I doubt if you do, as you have never
demonstrated any ability to understand the worth of anyone's opinion.
Furthermore, and in this case, you don't even know what my opinion is,
in your silly example. I don't think RM is King's best book. I know it
is my favourite. The two are not synonyous. But you probably can't
comprehend that concept either.
>Mind telling me what University is studying these books?
Naw, why should I mind. It was reported in the media yesterday. It is
either the University of Ottawa or Carlton University, which is also in
Ottawa. That's the capital city of Canada, and both are respected
institutions. Other material on the course syllabus includes your
iconically deified Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
>I'll bet you can find the same University level English course
>teaching Bobbsey Twins books.
Or at least Tolkien. <snigger>
> I took an English Seminar in which the main subject being taught was
> the professor's dislike of his mother in law.
Doubtless one of the sources of your profound acquaintance with
bitterness.
>Universities are known for providing mickey mouse courses for their
>less bright students to pass easily.
I'm pretty sure there is no Disney material on this particular course.
Tolkien is on it, though.
How many of the Rowling books have you read Robert? My bet is one, and
that in a deliberately deconstructionist mode. Why did you read the
book, Robert? My bet is because you read King's comments on the subject,
and your obsession with denigrating King left you powerless to do other
than read and slag the book.
Your obsessive automatism is really, really sad, Robert.
Stevie
Stephen Milligan
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Wojo wrote:
> > On 07 Sep 2000 17:14:08 GMT, netti...@aol.com (NettiesArk) wrote:
> > >Question:Has Robert actually read these books with an OPEN mind?
> > Question: Has Robert ever done ANYTHING with an open mind?
> > Wojo
> > Who, with apologies to some, feels that Robert really needs to get
> > blasted over the way he's insulting some people. Namely Danicka,
> > SuzyQ, and Nettie. I'll not let up on the little bastard until he
> > apologizes and shuts up.
> Baloney. You are mad because I insulted you.
Question. Does Robert believe in the validity of anything outside of his
own mind?
Stevie
Stephen Milligan
> On 7 Sep 2000, NettiesArk wrote:
>>Observation: We all know Robert hates these books because it's another
>>best selling author making tons of money and he didn't think of it.
> So why do I like SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? How come I hated the first
> WHEEL OF TIME book, but gave the second and third books a try, and
> found them fairly entertaining?
Almost certianly because Stephen King had not commented in any sort of
positive manner on said books.
>Observation: When someone says "we all know" they are usually lying.
Of course, when Robert constantly implies that he _knows_ what other
people think better than they themselves, he is simply demonstrating his
incredible powers of analysis, deduction and downright clairvoyance.
Stevie
Stephen Milligan
> > rwh...@amanda.dorsai.org wrote:
Only if you don't understand the nature of opinion and the value
therein. And anyone who has read your posts for a while knows that you
do not understand either the nature or value of opinion. So I can
certainly understand why you err as you do in your analysis of Jon's
comment.
Stevie
Stevie
Stephen Milligan
> If a stupid person can pass a course, does that mean that a smart
> person can't pass it? Or that if a smart person passes the stupid
> course, it means he is stupid?
> Sounds like something a stupid person would say.
It certainly does. And you just said it. Hmmmm.
Stevie
Robert Whelan
You AND your sister are morons.
(waiting for SuzyQ's head to blow off).
Wag
Scott wrote in message ...
>
>> Robert is making me feel gay by lusting after you.
>
>Dude....... under no circumstances should you ever let *Robert* make you
>feel gay. He can make you feel angry, sick, silly, stupid, indignant,
>terrified and even make you wanna feel yourself, but never gay.
Hmmm... you make a lot of sense. I'll ask my boyfriend what he
thinks about it. ;-)
>
>You need help Dude.
>
>snickered
>Scott
>who once felt Gay, but she slapped the shit out of me.
LOL... next time remember that after you set that icy beer down
to warm your hands up first.
Wag
SuzyQ
BWAHAHAHA
BOOM!!
OH MY GOD!! WHERE DID MY HEAD GO? CAN'T HAVE GONE UP ROBERTS ASS THAT IS
JAMPACKED ALREADY WITH HIS OWN.