[R] An Unofficial Companion to the Novels of Terry Pratchett
Esmeraldus
http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in it--I wrote seven
or eight of the articles, and have read a couple of others.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
<muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
"Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://sesoc.eusa.ed.ac.uk/
"There *is* no Niels, the Bouncing Cat! He's gone!
Now, there is only ... P-Cat, the Penitent Puss!"
Esmeraldus
> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>
>> There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of encyclopedia.
>>
>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>
>> No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>> it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read a
>> couple of others.
>
> Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
>
> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>
> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
Associates are people who are associated with each other. By, say, a common
profession.
I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start until the book was
actually *published*.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
<muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>
>>> There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of
>>> encyclopedia.
>>>
>>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>>
>>> No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>>> it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read
>>> a couple of others.
>>
>> Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
>>
>> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>>
>> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>
> Associates are people who are associated with each other.
> By, say, a common profession.
I sit corrected.
> I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start until
> the book was actually *published*.
Sorry.
Esmeraldus
Esmeraldus
> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>>> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>>
>>>> There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of
>>>> encyclopedia.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>>>
>>>> No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>>>> it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read
>>>> a couple of others.
>>>
>>> Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
>>>
>>> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>>>
>>> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>>
>> Associates are people who are associated with each other.
>> By, say, a common profession.
>
> I sit corrected.
>
>> I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start until
>> the book was actually *published*.
>
> Sorry.
No problem, Daibh.
It's just disheartening sometimes when you have exciting (it was exciting to
me) news, and you tell the group of people you think will be most excited
with you, and the first thing anyone says is that there's something wrong
with the ad copy.
I'm really excited about this, and I've been waiting months to tell other
fans about it. :-(
Elliott Grasett
You dreamer!
This is, after all AFP.
enuf said?
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Ssirienna
"Esmeraldus" <muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
news:fdbsci$6vh$1...@mud.stack.nl...
Interesting!
Will add to my Xmas list :-)
Ssirienna
--
Glibido: All talk and no action
Daibhid Ceanaideach
Yeah, I should have thought. I think it's really exciting as
well, and the fact the first thing I saw, and immediately
thought to comment on, was an apparent mistake in the ad copy
probably speaks volumes about me...
Len Oil
> I'm really excited about this, and I've been waiting months to tell other
> fans about it. :-(
Well, I for one think it looks interesting, will hopefully be seeking it
out and whatever we might think about the what is described, I don't
think it should detract from our general good feelings towards you and
your own contributions.
Esmeraldus
Thanks. It was really exciting to work on a big project like this, to be
invited from the beginning rather than stumbling into it, like I did with
GoL.
I did the entries on Granny, Vimes, Greebo, Lily, "Witches," Parody, and
"Organizations." The last included afp and abp, btw.
It's significant to me because this is the first writing I have been paid
for, at least paid an amount worth noticing. I've gotten $10 (which I
usually take in issues of the journal) for reviews in the New York Review of
Science Fiction, but usually academic writing pays only in career
advancement.
For this I get a little over 100UKP.
Elliott Grasett
> I'm really excited about this, and I've been waiting months to tell other
> fans about it. :-(
>
>
Once I've sorted out the Christmas bills, I will certainly
order a copy.
--
Cheers,
Elliott
David Sewell
Did the idea for this Companion originate with Greenwood, or did
Andrew Butler submit a proposal to them?
I suggested that my university library buy Butler's "Terry Pratchett:
Guilty of Literature" last year, but it was unavailable. Publishing
with Greenwood means good distribution and expectation that the
book will stay in print with a good chance of future updates.
That's great news.
--
David Sewell "They that are awake have one world in common,
White Hall, Virginia but of the sleeping each turns aside into
USA a world of his own." --Heraclitus
Esmeraldus
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:41:19 -0400, Esmeraldus wrote:
>
>> Len Oil wrote:
>>> Esmeraldus wrote:
>>>> I'm really excited about this, and I've been waiting months to
>>>> tell other fans about it. :-(
>>>
>>> Well, I for one think it looks interesting, will hopefully be
>>> seeking it out and whatever we might think about the what is
>>> described, I don't think it should detract from our general good
>>> feelings towards you and your own contributions.
>>
>> Thanks. It was really exciting to work on a big project like this,
>> to be invited from the beginning rather than stumbling into it,
>> like I did with GoL.
>>
>> I did the entries on Granny, Vimes, Greebo, Lily, "Witches,"
>> Parody, and "Organizations." The last included afp and abp, btw.
>>
>> It's significant to me because this is the first writing I have
>> been paid for, at least paid an amount worth noticing. I've gotten
>> $10 (which I usually take in issues of the journal) for reviews in
>> the New York Review of Science Fiction, but usually academic
>> writing pays only in career advancement.
>>
>> For this I get a little over 100UKP.
>
> Did the idea for this Companion originate with Greenwood, or did
> Andrew Butler submit a proposal to them?
I'm not sure, but my guess is Andrew.
> I suggested that my university library buy Butler's "Terry
> Pratchett: Guilty of Literature" last year, but it was unavailable.
Which is why I am interested, as a fan, in encouraging such publications. I
don't get royalties, neither does anyone else as far as I know.
> Publishing with Greenwood means good distribution and expectation
> that the
> book will stay in print with a good chance of future updates.
> That's great news.
I should point out that Butler is only one of the editors of Guilty of
Literature.
Richard Heathfield
> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>>> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>>
>>>> There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of
>>>> encyclopedia.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>>>
>>>> No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>>>> it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read
>>>> a couple of others.
>>>
>>> Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
>>>
>>> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>>>
>>> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>>
>> Associates are people who are associated with each other.
>> By, say, a common profession.
>
> I sit corrected.
Why? The "correction" is wrong. Whilst it is undoubtedly true that the word
"associates" *can* mean "people who are associated with each other by a
common profession", that's not the first meaning that springs to mind when
the word is used in the phrase "associates and collaborators" - as you
evidently agree, or you wouldn't have mentioned this in the first place.
Let's point out the importance of the "first meaning that springs to mind"
issue: if you were a doctor, say, and someone claimed that you were an
accomplice of the notorious mass murderer Harold Shipman, you would have
grounds for legal action for slander or libel, *even though* "accomplice"
is a synonym of "associate", as any sufficiently well-informed
Shakespearean scholar will tell you. And come to think of it, even if they
used "associate" rather than "accomplice", I wouldn't trust to their
chances in court.
The association of "associate" with "colleague, companion, friend, partner
or ally" is much stronger than its association with "a person joined or
connected with another" via some tenuous link. If Douglas Adams is an
"associate" of Terry Pratchett because they share(d) a common profession,
then we can also reasonably deduce that the following people are also
associates of Terry Pratchett:
Edward IV, James Monroe, Jan Oort, Kurt Goedel, Saddam Hussein (share a
common birthday)
Ronnie van Zant, Cliff Thorburn, Elisabeth Sladen, Alice Cooper, Sven-Goran
Eriksson, Tony Iommi, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Stevie Nicks (share a common
birthyear)
Hesten Blumenthal, Simon Burnett, David Shayler, Steve Wilson, Edward
Savage (share a common high school)
and so on and so on - making up your own equally bizarre lists is left as
an exercise.
Had the claim been that Douglas Adams was an *influence* on Terry
Pratchett, I don't think there would have been any dispute. When I first
started reading TP, that was one of the two aspects of his writing that I
found weakest - passages that read almost as if TP had been channelling
DNA a couple of decades too early (the other aspect being his overuse of
the "...right through X and out the other side" idea). Of course, TP shook
off both of these weaknesses many books ago.
>> I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start until
>> the book was actually *published*.
>
> Sorry.
I can understand why you regret dashing a hope, but I know from personal
experience that authors do *not* get to choose when their books are
criticised, or by whom, or in what fora - and to hope that the criticism
will be delayed after the book's existence has been announced is a futile
hope indeed.
--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Eric Jarvis
daibhidc...@aol.com says...
>
> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>
> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>
As somebody who has met DNA once and barely spoken, I gather that was his
relationship with an awful lot of people.
I made him a cup of tea at an event where he was speaking and I was
working backstage. I suppose I could count that as having been a cow
orker of Douglas Adams.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Eric Jarvis
>
> It's significant to me because this is the first writing I have been paid
> for, at least paid an amount worth noticing. I've gotten $10 (which I
> usually take in issues of the journal) for reviews in the New York Review of
> Science Fiction, but usually academic writing pays only in career
> advancement.
>
> For this I get a little over 100UKP.
>
Yep, that's paid. Does that mean you are now a professional literary
critic as well as a professional academic? I'd have thought so.
Well done that afper.
Cameron Biggart
news:MPG.2163b224a...@news.aqxs.net:
> In article <Xns99B6E073...@130.133.1.4>,
> daibhidc...@aol.com says...
>>
>> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>>
>> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>>
>
> As somebody who has met DNA once and barely spoken, I gather that was
> his relationship with an awful lot of people.
>
> I made him a cup of tea at an event where he was speaking and I was
> working backstage. I suppose I could count that as having been a cow
> orker of Douglas Adams.
>
I spoke to DNA on the phone - I'm sure I've documented it here before. We
chatted for a good 10-20 minutes about his game Starship Titanic. I also
amazed him as the only person he'd ever come across who didn't understand
the biscuit eating scene at the railway station in his book.
In fact while I've Met PTerry on at least 4 occasions I've probably
shared more spoken words with DNA having never met him.
--
Cameron
With the tiny claim to fame.
Richard Eney
Elliott Grasett <egra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Esmeraldus wrote:
<snip>
>>>'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>>><muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>>
>>>>There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of encyclopedia.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>>>
>>>>No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>>>>it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read a
>>>>couple of others.
Congratulations!
<snip>
>> I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start
>> until the book was actually *published*.
>
>You dreamer!
>
>This is, after all AFP.
>
>enuf said?
At least once AFP began "annotating" a book Pterry hadn't
finished writing, knowing nothing at all about it. IIRC
they invented a title to hook the annotations to.
=Tamar
Esmeraldus
That's pretty funny.
I was going to say...
I have been waiting and waiting to tell people about this. I got the
contract September of last year, and had been working on the articles for
months before that. But you never know whether something's going to go
through or not, so I kept quiet. Now they've got the cover, the copy editing
has been done, orders have been taken. So I asked whether I could finally
mention it.
At times I've been just itching to say something about it. Now I kind of
wish I had taken on a few more of the articles, but I didn't want to
overextend myself whle I was studying for exams.
Davina Stuart
> actually *published*.
>
*laugh* then you should have known better then to mention it here :)
Davina
Esmeraldus
I'll know better next time.
John Wilkins
> In article <Xns99B6E073...@130.133.1.4>,
> daibhidc...@aol.com says...
> >
> > "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
> >
> > I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
> >
>
> As somebody who has met DNA once and barely spoken, I gather that was his
> relationship with an awful lot of people.
>
> I made him a cup of tea at an event where he was speaking and I was
> working backstage. I suppose I could count that as having been a cow
> orker of Douglas Adams.
I ran into him once. Lierally. It was an exhibition on science that I
was helping organise an exhibition at, and he came around the corner.
Our conversion consisted of "sorry" said by each.
But about a decade earlier, when this new-fangled email thing had just
started up, he and I exchanged a number of discoursive letters about a
possible story idea he was playing with (a story based on the Aquatic
Ape Hypothesis). I was too stunned by the collision to remind him of
that at our encounter.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
CCA
That looks interesting - and as you say, great for your career too :-)
CCA
Jeff Howell
All (thus far mostly unread by me) picked nits aside - just from the
description it really does sound like exactly the sort of thing I'd
enjoy. May just consider purchasing it when it's released.
--
Jeff
Jeff Howell
:( I do hope you don't mean that the way it sounds... it'd be a shame
if you stopped telling us stuff like this just because of a bit of
nitpicking.
--
Jeff
Len Oil
> :( I do hope you don't mean that the way it sounds... it'd be a shame
> if you stopped telling us stuff like this just because of a bit of
> nitpicking.
Nitpicking is, of course, a social activity enjoyed by /all/ the great
apes. Giving and receiving. And I just snipped the statement that
stood in the place of this sentence, on grounds of probably being
misinterpreted as a pun[1].
[1] And /maybe/ not thought to be funny, though I personally laughed my
socks off, in my immaturity, when I realised. ;)
Esmeraldus
It's been on my CV for months, but it'll be nice to have the book.
Andrew Nevill
<muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of encyclopedia.
>
>http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>
>No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in it--I wrote seven
>or eight of the articles, and have read a couple of others.
>
That's good news. It deserves to do well and I hope it does. As for the
price I looked on Amazon.co.uk - the paperback is £13.99 which is very
reasonable.
It's on the to get list. Actually it comes out handily near Christmas -
I might put it on my 'Hogfather letter.'
Now that's a thought. It would be the perfect present to buy for any
other afpers (or indeed Pratchett fans of any ilk) you may know - or
perhaps even to request for yourself.
Go on. You know it makes sense.
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: ane...@ntlworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & Esmeraldus.
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Esmeraldus
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:51:01 -0400, "Esmeraldus"
> <muclu...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
> That's good news. It deserves to do well and I hope it does. As
> for the price I looked on Amazon.co.uk - the paperback is £13.99
> which is very reasonable.
Thanks.
> Now that's a thought. It would be the perfect present to buy for any
> other afpers (or indeed Pratchett fans of any ilk) you may know -
> or perhaps even to request for yourself.
I hadn't seen the softcover prices...the one I saw was $50.00 in hardcover,
I think.
> Go on. You know it makes sense.
Luckily, I get a contributor copy.
Lesley Weston
wrote on 25/09/2007 2:17 PM:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>
>>> There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of encyclopedia.
>>>
>>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>>
>>> No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>>> it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read a
>>> couple of others.
>>
>> Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
>>
>> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>>
>> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>
> Associates are people who are associated with each other. By, say, a common
> profession.
>
> I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start until the book was
> actually *published*.
>
>
Hope springs eternal...
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Lesley Weston
wrote on 25/09/2007 2:30 PM:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>
>>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>>> 'Twas on the 25 Sep 2007, that "Esmeraldus"
>>>> <muclu...@mypacks.net> did say:
>>>>
>>>>> There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of
>>>>> encyclopedia.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in
>>>>> it--I wrote seven or eight of the articles, and have read
>>>>> a couple of others.
>>>>
>>>> Looks good, only, as an inveterate nit-picker...
>>>>
>>>> "Associates and collaborators, such as Douglas Adams"
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Pterry has said they met once and barely spoke.
>>>
>>> Associates are people who are associated with each other.
>>> By, say, a common profession.
>>
>> I sit corrected.
>>
>>> I was rather hoping that the criticism wouldn't start until
>>> the book was actually *published*.
>>
>> Sorry.
>
> No problem, Daibh.
>
> It's just disheartening sometimes when you have exciting (it was exciting to
> me) news, and you tell the group of people you think will be most excited
> with you, and the first thing anyone says is that there's something wrong
> with the ad copy.
>
> I'm really excited about this, and I've been waiting months to tell other
> fans about it. :-(
>
>
It is exciting - of course it is! When the library have finished their
strike, I'll ask them to buy it. They usually do grant my requests.
Esmeraldus
>When the library have finished
> their strike, I'll ask them to buy it. They usually do grant my
> requests.
I hope the library strike doesn't last until January. Eek.
Lesley Weston
Don't even joke about it! Withdrawal is getting quite pronounced; there are
endless books I want to place on hold but their website is down too, and
gods know when I'll get to read MM. There's also a garbage collector's
strike (different local of the same union), but I can handle that much more
easily.
Esmeraldus
> in article fdhonr$127b$1...@mud.stack.nl, Esmeraldus at
> muclu...@mypacks.net wrote on 27/09/2007 7:25 PM:
>
>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>
>>> When the library have finished
>>> their strike, I'll ask them to buy it. They usually do grant my
>>> requests.
>>
>> I hope the library strike doesn't last until January. Eek.
>>
>>
> Don't even joke about it!
I definitely wasn't joking.
Thomas Zahr
...
> I've gotten $10 ...
> For this I get a little over 100UKP.
Nice progression there
If you keep this up, you'll have to have a discussion with
Terry on how one finds a second bank ;-)
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<http://www.zahr.de>
Kristian Damm Jensen
> Withdrawal is getting quite pronounced;
> there are endless books I want to place on hold but their website is
> down too, and gods know when I'll get to read MM. There's also a
> garbage collector's strike (different local of the same union), but I
> can handle that much more easily.
I can't help but smile. I gather few people would find it harder to cope
with a strike at the library than among garbage collectors. But I expect
quite a number of people in these fora understand.
--
Venlig hilsen /Best regards
Kristian Damm Jensen
Baba Yaga
>There's a new book coming out. It's a sort of encyclopedia.
>
>http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GWP001.aspx
>
>No, not cheap, but it's got some very worthwhile stuff in it--I wrote seven
>or eight of the articles, and have read a couple of others.
Well, that makes it even better.
Want!!!
Baba Yaga
--
To learn which questions are unanswerable, and /not to answer them/:
this skill is most needful in times of stress and darkness.
- Ursula LeGuin
Paul
Excellent! Nice to know an AFPer (and a particularly venerable one at
that) has had some input into this!
On a minorly related note, I have just started at Christchurch uni in
Canterbury doing English and Media/Cultural studies, and the editor of
this compilation (Andrew Butler) is my lecturer for cultural studies.
Cool, eh?
Paul B.
-------------------------
Now where did I put that stone? Ah yes...
<Relurk>
Esmeraldus
> <Brief delurk>
>
> Excellent! Nice to know an AFPer (and a particularly venerable one
> at that) has had some input into this!
I'm...*venerable*?
> On a minorly related note, I have just started at Christchurch uni
> in Canterbury doing English and Media/Cultural studies, and the
> editor of this compilation (Andrew Butler) is my lecturer for
> cultural studies. Cool, eh?
Yeah, that's pretty nifty.
Tiny Bulcher
> Paul wrote:
>> <Brief delurk>
>>
>> Excellent! Nice to know an AFPer (and a particularly venerable one
>> at that) has had some input into this!
>
> I'm...*venerable*?
*Venerated* .... he meant venerated - /didn't you, Paul?/
Alec Cawley
"Venerable" literally just means "worthy of being venerated" - a
judgment with which I will not dissent. "Venerated" means that the due
Veneration is actually being delivered; of that I am less certain.
(Does "Venerable" have anything to do with Venus, Goddess of Love?)
Tiny Bulcher
> Tiny Bulcher wrote:
>> þus cwæð Esmeraldus :
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> <Brief delurk>
>>>>
>>>> Excellent! Nice to know an AFPer (and a particularly venerable one
>>>> at that) has had some input into this!
>>> I'm...*venerable*?
>>
>> *Venerated* .... he meant venerated - /didn't you, Paul?/
>
> "Venerable" literally just means "worthy of being venerated" - a
> judgment with which I will not dissent. "Venerated" means that the due
> Veneration is actually being delivered; of that I am less certain.
Well, so long as nobody means 'old' by it, we should be OK ...
> (Does "Venerable" have anything to do with Venus, Goddess of Love?)
Yep.
Etymology:
Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love,
charm
(Merriam-Webster).
We shall perhaps draw a veil over further derivations from this source.
Esmeraldus
> þus cwæð Alec Cawley :
>> Tiny Bulcher wrote:
>>> þus cwæð Esmeraldus :
>>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>> <Brief delurk>
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent! Nice to know an AFPer (and a particularly venerable
>>>>> one at that) has had some input into this!
>>>> I'm...*venerable*?
>>>
>>> *Venerated* .... he meant venerated - /didn't you, Paul?/
>>
>> "Venerable" literally just means "worthy of being venerated"
> Well, so long as nobody means 'old' by it, we should be OK ...
I was actually qestioning the strictly accurate definition.
Elliott Grasett
'Fraid not. Lat. /venerari/,to worship or revere.
/Venery/, OTOH, does refer to sexual gratification . . .
. . . that is to say, when it doesn't refer to hunting.
in the first case, /vener-/ of Venus; in the second,
/venari/ to hunt.
So "venery" can refer to the chase, or to its successful
conclusion.
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Arthur Hagen
>>
>> *Venerated* .... he meant venerated - /didn't you, Paul?/
>
> "Venerable" literally just means "worthy of being venerated" - a
> judgment with which I will not dissent.
I don't think she's looking for canonisation and saintly worship, but ICBW.
> (Does "Venerable" have anything to do with Venus, Goddess of Love?)
Indirectly, yes. Venus as a word means "sexy", and was applied as a name by
the Romans for the Greek love goddess Aphrodite. Both "venerable" and
"Venus" stems from the same root.
Regards,
--
*Art
Paul
> þus cwæð Esmeraldus :
I know you lot too well, I havent posted here in time and yet I
foresaw this burst of etymological glee, which is why I looked
'venerable' up in the OED *before* I posted:). Ahem,
Venerable: Adjective accorded a great deal of respect, especially
because of age, wisdom or character. From Latin venerari.
Notice the 'or' in that sentence. I was aiming for the wisdom part of
it. If Esmereldus had not been knowledgeable, then she surely would
not have been invited to contribute so heavily to the aforesaid
forthcoming publication. So all of you who are reading too far into
the root of word and finding undesirables, please stop being so
flipping post-constructionist. Thankyou.
Paul B.
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Glad to find nothing really changes.
Esmeraldus
> So all of you who are reading
> too far into the root of word and finding undesirables, please stop
> being so flipping post-constructionist. Thankyou.
<snigger>
Daniel Orner
And does it have anything to do with voonerables?
Richard Eney
David Sewell <dse...@virginia.edu> wrote:
<snip>
>I suggested that my university library buy Butler's "Terry Pratchett:
>Guilty of Literature" last year, but it was unavailable.
I saw a copy of Guilty of Literature for sale on a dealer's table
at Capclave about a week ago. I'm failry certain that there are
other dealers who have copies, even if it hasn't shown up on
abebooks.com or ebay yet.
IIRC the dealer was Old Earth Books, but I could be wrong.
=Tamar