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Raymond Daley

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Mar 3, 2008, 9:21:39 PM3/3/08
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Was watching something on BBC4 about Tibet.

They were showing the Dalai Lama old films they had made when he was a young
child.
Turns out his older brothers name was Lobsang ;-)

Did Terry know this when he wrote TOT?


Richard Eney

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Mar 4, 2008, 12:54:25 AM3/4/08
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In article <Tm2zj.24336$6z2....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,

Lobsang is/was a very common name in Tibet.
It's practically generic for a Tibetan first name
in literature.

But yes, I think Terry knew that. It wasn't a secret,
and rather a lot has been written about the Dalai Lama.

Terry used the name for one of the Dibblers at one point;
it may have been a martial arts booklet written by
"Lobsang Dibbler" but I'm not sure without checking the books.

=Tamar

William Black

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Mar 4, 2008, 7:07:48 AM3/4/08
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"Richard Eney" <dic...@radix.net> wrote in message
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> Lobsang is/was a very common name in Tibet.
> It's practically generic for a Tibetan first name
> in literature.
>
> But yes, I think Terry knew that. It wasn't a secret,
> and rather a lot has been written about the Dalai Lama.
>
> Terry used the name for one of the Dibblers at one point;
> it may have been a martial arts booklet written by
> "Lobsang Dibbler" but I'm not sure without checking the books.

About thirty odd years ago there was a painter and decorator from Devon
called, I think, Cyril Hoskins, who published a series of books of spurious
Eastern Philosophy under the name of 'Lobsong Rampa'.

These books had immense sales and circulation in the UK until he was exposed
as a fraud.

I thought these books were supposed to be annotated on the net somewhere,
why do I have to keep explaining the jokes?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.


Reader in Invisible Writings

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Mar 4, 2008, 3:26:02 PM3/4/08
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William Black wrote:
> "Richard Eney" <dic...@radix.net> wrote in message
> news:13spp0h...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>> Lobsang is/was a very common name in Tibet.
>> It's practically generic for a Tibetan first name
>> in literature.
>>
>> But yes, I think Terry knew that. It wasn't a secret,
>> and rather a lot has been written about the Dalai Lama.
>>
>> Terry used the name for one of the Dibblers at one point;
>> it may have been a martial arts booklet written by
>> "Lobsang Dibbler" but I'm not sure without checking the books.
I thought it was owned by Nijel the Destroyer but that was 'attributed'
to Cohen the Barbarian. Actual reference is from Witches Abroad, owned
by Magrat.

> About thirty odd years ago there was a painter and decorator from Devon
> called, I think, Cyril Hoskins, who published a series of books of spurious
> Eastern Philosophy under the name of 'Lobsong Rampa'.
>
> These books had immense sales and circulation in the UK until he was exposed
> as a fraud.
>
> I thought these books were supposed to be annotated on the net somewhere,
> why do I have to keep explaining the jokes?
>

yep http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/index.html the annotations file

--
Reader in Invisible Writings.. Something to Ponder upon!

William Black

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Mar 4, 2008, 4:53:06 PM3/4/08
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"Reader in Invisible Writings" <markfo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And it's in...

I found a mistake though.

'Old red eyes is back' is an expression first used in a film review in the
Sunday Times in about 1968 by Katherine Whitehorn, for the first 'serious'
Hammer Dracula movie.

I remember it distinctly because it was a turn of phrase I (at the time all
of fifteen years old) thought incredibly witty.

Richard Eney

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Mar 10, 2008, 6:19:03 PM3/10/08
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In article <fqkg8r$40n$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,

William Black <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>"Reader in Invisible Writings" <markfo...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Richard Eney" <dic...@radix.net> wrote
>>>
>>>> Lobsang is/was a very common name in Tibet.
>>>> It's practically generic for a Tibetan first name
>>>> in literature.
>>>> But yes, I think Terry knew that. It wasn't a secret,
>>>> and rather a lot has been written about the Dalai Lama.
>>>> Terry used the name for one of the Dibblers at one point;
>>>> it may have been a martial arts booklet written by
>>>> "Lobsang Dibbler" but I'm not sure without checking the books.
<snip>

>> Actual reference is from Witches Abroad, owned by Magrat.
>>
>>> About thirty odd years ago there was a painter and decorator from
>>> Devon called, I think, Cyril Hoskins, who published a series of books
>>> of spurious Eastern Philosophy under the name of 'Lobsang Rampa'.

>>> These books had immense sales and circulation in the UK until he
>>> was exposed as a fraud.

Hence the use of the name for Lobsang Dibbler, who is illustrated in
the 2008 Diary, Lu Tze's Diary of Enlightenment.

By the way, the Rampa books didn't even spout any philosophy, spurious
or otherwise; the ones I came across were merely traveler's tales about
Tibet. The main character kept saying he was going to write the great
teachings but he never put any in the books. Don't waste brain cells
on them. It's more like 35 years ago now.

>>> I thought these books were supposed to be annotated on the net
>>> somewhere, why do I have to keep explaining the jokes?

Because many people don't know the file is there on www.lspace.org
until someone tells them.

>> yep http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/index.html the annotations file
>
>And it's in...
>
>I found a mistake though.
>
>'Old red eyes is back' is an expression first used in a film review
>in the Sunday Times in about 1968 by Katherine Whitehorn, for the
>first 'serious' Hammer Dracula movie.

There's a connection with "Old blue eyes is back" (referring to
Frank Sinatra) and "Look out, old MacHeath is back" (Bobby Darin's
performance of "Mack the Knife" from the Threepenny Opera), both of
which I was aware of in the 1960s or 1970s but I don't know when
they first showed up.

=Tamar

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