Woot! I'm in the program
Tristaan
office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
(http://www.biblical.edu/).
Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
Tristaan
--
Beware Spam Trap!: "us" is an "ogre"
*******************************************************
Ogre-Monk, AIM TristaanOgre
"So good-bye for now and I'll see you again
Some way, some how
When it's my time to go to the other side
I'll hold you again and melt at your smile
Now I have all the ones that I am with
You taught me not to take for granted
The time that we have to show that we care
Speak into their lives and their hearts while they're here
And say I LOVE YOU!!"
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Ree
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
>
> Tristaan
> --
Yippeeeee!! Here. Have some milk and honey to celebrate!
Ree
Tristaan
with:
>> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
>>
>
>Yippeeeee!! Here. Have some milk and honey to celebrate!
Got any locusts?
And I think my camel hair clothes need washed... They smell like
they just came off the camel...
Purrt
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
How wonderful, Tris! You've more than earned the distinction.
--
Purrt the ghatta
Smitten Kitten
Part-time gryphon
Disciple to the Goddess of Chocolate
Owner of a full Pedant's licenc/se
Goddess of Impertinence
Snikkrish the Tearer
Carpe Bean
(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story involving
pain and suffering)
Tristaan
with:
>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story involving
>pain and suffering)
What?
Purrt
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:58 -0400, Purrt stomped through my brain
> with:
>
>>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story
>>involving
>>pain and suffering)
>
> What?
You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I
was rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the
cyst was an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my
appendix decided to remove itself from the colon. Got through
surgery, went home last Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on
Wednesday with intestinal blockage. I got home yesterday and am as
weak as the proverbial kitten.
Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> Tristaan wrote:
>>On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:58 -0400, Purrt stomped through my brain
>>with:
>>
>>>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story
>>>involving
>>>pain and suffering)
>>
>>What?
>
> You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
> diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
> surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I
> was rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the
> cyst was an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my
> appendix decided to remove itself from the colon. Got through
> surgery, went home last Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on
> Wednesday with intestinal blockage. I got home yesterday and am as
> weak as the proverbial kitten.
Yoikes!
[[[ HUGS! ]]]
I hope your kitty-cats take good care of you.
> Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
Want more? We can suggest more!
--
Megan
Journeyperson Dancing Barbarian
Keeper o' the FAQ: http://home.earthlink.net/~m_thomas3/abml/
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
Congratulations!
(biblical.edu? I bet there was a little cat-fight over a nice domain
name like that.)
Tristaan
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] stomped through my brain with:
>Congratulations!
>
>(biblical.edu? I bet there was a little cat-fight over a nice domain
>name like that.)
Not sure...the seminary has been there for a number of years as
Biblical Theological Seminary so there's probably not a lot of
education institutions with the same name...
Not that it matters much NOW. :-)
Tristaan
with:
<snippage has occurred>
>I got home yesterday and am as
>weak as the proverbial kitten.
Yeaouch! Well, I'm glad you're over the major hurdles now.
Here's hoping that you have a rapid recovery and you'll be
pouncing on flying mice again soon.
>Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
Ah, yes... That's the ONE thing about convalescing that's a GOOD
thing.
Tristaan
John Oliver
>Tristaan wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:58 -0400, Purrt stomped through my brain
>> with:
>>
>>>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story
>>>involving
>>>pain and suffering)
>>
>> What?
>
>You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
>diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
>surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I
>was rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the
>cyst was an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my
>appendix decided to remove itself from the colon. Got through
>surgery, went home last Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on
>Wednesday with intestinal blockage. I got home yesterday and am as
>weak as the proverbial kitten.
>
>Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
Ouch! Hang in there Purrt!
--
John Oliver
jdol...@westnet.com.au
AIM or MSN jdoliver98
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:d5tm64h54b4tbkt1j...@4ax.com...
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
>
> Tristaan
CONGRATULATIONS! {REALLY BIG GRIN, HUMONGOUS GRIN, GREAT BIG LONG TIGHT
HAPPY HUGS}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:VISdnc0iQqAXUfbV...@ptd.net...
> Tristaan wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:58 -0400, Purrt stomped through my brain
>> with:
>>
>>>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story involving
>>>pain and suffering)
>>
>> What?
>
> You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
> diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
> surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I was
> rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the cyst was
> an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my appendix decided
> to remove itself from the colon. Got through surgery, went home last
> Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on Wednesday with intestinal
> blockage. I got home yesterday and am as weak as the proverbial kitten.
Oh dear! I'm so glad you made it thru all that. I hoe you've seen the
worst, and are now On the Men! {WARM SMILE, BIG HUGS, many ear scritches}
> Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
That is fortunate under the circumstances. {SMILE} If you feel in danger
of running out, I found a neat blog that specializes in calling attention
to debuts by new authors, mostly fantasy and science fiction:
http://fantasydebut.blogspot.com/ . {BIG SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
SAMK
Oh dear! I'm so glad you made it thru all that. I hoe you've seen the
> worst, and are now On the Men! {WARM SMILE, BIG HUGS, many ear scritches}
>
No, no, Purrt. You really should NOT be on the men
while attempting to recover. Gain strength first.
(Wait, was that the pg rating?)
SAMK
Joe Morris
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
Congraduations, Professor Ogre!
Lesseenow...who's got the pan we need to make diploma-shaped fudge? Or
should we just make a square block of fudge and claim that it's in the shape
of a mortarboard?
Joe Morris
Joe Morris
> You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
> diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
> surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I was
> rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the cyst was
> an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my appendix decided
> to remove itself from the colon. Got through surgery, went home last
> Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on Wednesday with intestinal
> blockage. I got home yesterday and am as weak as the proverbial kitten.
>
> Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
My sympathy, but you've got some bragging rights: you took the most critical
step ahead of time by provisioning your "To Be Read" pile. That's called
"planning ahead" and you can claim credit for it even if it was really
accidental.
Good luck, and a quick mend. And here's the sovereign prescription for your
ills:
{{{{{{{{{{ H U G S }}}}}}}}}}
No limit on refills at your neighborhood RABBL pharmacy.
Joe Morris
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:VfudnVhHnY78SPbV...@earthlink.com...
{chuckle, SMILE} We thought along the same lines. {BIG SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:wPydnXZpL57ylPHV...@comcast.com...
> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>
>> Oh dear! I'm so glad you made it thru all that. I hoe you've seen
>> the
>> worst, and are now On the Men! {WARM SMILE, BIG HUGS, many ear
>> scritches}
>>
>
> No, no, Purrt. You really should NOT be on the men
> while attempting to recover. Gain strength first.
Oops. Proof-reading never works perfectly. Especially when spell checker
programs are involved. {rueful smile}
Maybe watching the men would be better for now? I find when I'm sick,
it's easier to sit and watch things on TV, including shows featuring
favorite actors... {innocent look}
> (Wait, was that the pg rating?)
It can survive this. It's survived worse. {Smile, wink}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Tristaan
brain with:
>Congraduations, Professor Ogre!
>
>Lesseenow...who's got the pan we need to make diploma-shaped fudge? Or
>should we just make a square block of fudge and claim that it's in the shape
>of a mortarboard?
Heheh... I'll take the block of fudge.... won't be around long
enough for anyone to question it, I'm sure. :-)
In any case, I've registered for my fall class...
Here's the syllabus from last fall...
http://www.biblical.edu/images/equip/PDFs/2007fallsyllabi/TH521F-Franke.pdf
Looks like it's gonna be a fun course...
Tristaan
with:
>Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
Not to mention she shouldn't be doing any gardening work. Hoeing
can be pretty strenuos...
Tristaan
Sasha Rowan
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
>
Woohoo,congratulations. Have a plate of fudge.
Sasha (too tired to mold the fudge into an appropriate form)
Sasha Rowan
>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:58 -0400, Purrt stomped through my brain
>> with:
>>
>>>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story involving
>>>pain and suffering)
>>
>> What?
>
> You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
> diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
> surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I was
> rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the cyst was
> an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my appendix decided
> to remove itself from the colon. Got through surgery, went home last
> Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on Wednesday with intestinal
> blockage. I got home yesterday and am as weak as the proverbial kitten.
>
> Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
Sasha (good thing virtual food has no effect on any real life dietary
restrictions that might exist)
Joe Morris
> In any case, I've registered for my fall class...
>
> Here's the syllabus from last fall...
>
> http://www.biblical.edu/images/equip/PDFs/2007fallsyllabi/TH521F-Franke.pdf
>
> Looks like it's gonna be a fun course...
That syllabus looks impressive; it could be a fun time -- for any of several
possible values of "fun."
Curiosity question: assuming that a similar syllabus will be used for the
class you take, what do you expect to come out of the fourth course
objective? Given the amount of both ink and blood that's been spilled
because of theological differences large and small, I think that it would be
both interesting and instructive to see what the students produce to meet
that objective, both in factual content and in tone.
Joe Morris
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:04:15 -0500, SAMK stomped through my brain
> with:
>
>>Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> Oh dear! I'm so glad you made it thru all that. I hoe you've seen
>> the
>>> worst, and are now On the Men! {WARM SMILE, BIG HUGS, many ear
>>> scritches}
>>>
>>
>>No, no, Purrt. You really should NOT be on the men
>>while attempting to recover. Gain strength first.
>>
>>(Wait, was that the pg rating?)
>
> Not to mention she shouldn't be doing any gardening work. Hoeing
> can be pretty strenuos...
{blush} That's what happens when I try to answer when I'm tired. Both my
typing and my proofreading just aren't as accurate then. {small smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Tristaan
brain with:
>Curiosity question: assuming that a similar syllabus will be used for the
>class you take, what do you expect to come out of the fourth course
>objective? Given the amount of both ink and blood that's been spilled
>because of theological differences large and small, I think that it would be
>both interesting and instructive to see what the students produce to meet
>that objective, both in factual content and in tone.
One of the things I appreciate about the seminary I'm enrolled in
is the interdenominational atmosphere that is present. We have
everyone from Roman Catholic to independant evangelical (think
Rick Warren) to completely post-modern, emergant missional
thinkers with no church ties at all. In all the classes I've
participated in so far, while debate has occurred and has
been...passionate...at times, the overall ideal has always been
present. And I quote:
"4-6You were all called to travel on the same road and in the
same direction, so stay together, both outwardly and inwardly.
You have one Master, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
of all, who rules over all, works through all, and is present in
all. Everything you are and think and do is permeated with
Oneness. " Ephesians 4:4-6 Peterson Message Paraphrase
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%204:4-6;&version=65;
So... what do I expect? I expect there to be opinions, ideas,
perspectives, and theological insights which will be in
disagreement on some of the less "critical" areas of Christianity
and church, some of it very passionately worded and toned.
However, I expect, as I have seen, that the overall tone will
return to this biblical idea of "Oneness", the unity found in the
diversity of the body. I know that sounds paradoxical but the
apostle Paul had some good insight on this analogy: as one body
is made up of many very different parts with different functions,
so is the body of Christ made up of extreme diverse peoples,
cultures, and expressions of the faith. There will be humility
in the writings, confessions of the failings the students' own
denominations to achieve this "Oneness". There will be loving
but sometimes blunt honesty of the failings of other
denominations. And there will be calls to return to "Oneness".
There have been almost 6 centuries of schism and conflict within
the body. I think we're starting to see a return to the
"Oneness" and seminaries like Biblical, while small, are the
starting places for these movements.
Tristaan
<anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
>>>No, no, Purrt. You really should NOT be on the men
>>>while attempting to recover. Gain strength first.
>>>
>>>(Wait, was that the pg rating?)
>>
>> Not to mention she shouldn't be doing any gardening work. Hoeing
>> can be pretty strenuos...
>
> {blush} That's what happens when I try to answer when I'm tired. Both my
>typing and my proofreading just aren't as accurate then. {small smile}
<massive ogre grin> Could be worse... I could have gone a whole
OTHER direction with the word "hoe" but I figured that the PG
rating was shocked enough from SAMK's comment.
Edna
Tristaan <trist...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
CONGRATS!
Edna
---|)--- Edna Huelsenbeck (huelsenbeck@gmailDOTcom) ------------
---|---- Goddess of the ABML Out-of-Practice-Musicians Band -----
--/|---- Member, Brute Squad, Mommy Division --------------------
-| |')-- Provisional Member of the Sisterhood of Mess -----------
--\|/----Official Bard of the Book and Bridle -------------------
|
'
Edna
"Purrt" <iv...@ptd.net> wrote:
> Tristaan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:11:58 -0400, Purrt stomped through my brain
> > with:
> >
> >>(yes I know it's been a couple weeks and it's a looong story
> >>involving
> >>pain and suffering)
> >
> > What?
>
> You'all may recall I was in the hospital in April for all sorts of
> diagnostic nonsense and was told I had an ulcer and a cyst for which
> surgery was scheduled to occur on July 7. Well, 2 Saturdays ago, I
> was rushed into emergency surgery with fever of 104. Turns out the
> cyst was an abcess in my abdomen which apparently started when my
> appendix decided to remove itself from the colon. Got through
> surgery, went home last Tuesday, and was rushed back to hospital on
> Wednesday with intestinal blockage. I got home yesterday and am as
> weak as the proverbial kitten.
>
> Fortunately I have several books on my "To Be Read" pile.
OUCH!
||: GENTLE HUG :|| (repeat as needed)
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:15:17 -1000, "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin"
> <anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
>
>>>>No, no, Purrt. You really should NOT be on the men
>>>>while attempting to recover. Gain strength first.
>>>>
>>>>(Wait, was that the pg rating?)
>>>
>>> Not to mention she shouldn't be doing any gardening work. Hoeing
>>> can be pretty strenuos...
>>
>> {blush} That's what happens when I try to answer when I'm tired. Both
>> my
>>typing and my proofreading just aren't as accurate then. {small smile}
>
>
> <massive ogre grin> Could be worse... I could have gone a whole
> OTHER direction with the word "hoe" but I figured that the PG
> rating was shocked enough from SAMK's comment.
{GRIN} You're probably right. {REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Tristaan
Rhino7
> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>
> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
>
Congrats-n-stuff!!
Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
!!So Mote It Be!!
<The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college. Albeit
one with very very short, hirsute students.>
The Bookwurm
----
Goddess of Libraries
Pedant in Chief
Keeper of the BotRoM
Sister Hand Grenade of Sweet Reason
Believer, Church of the Cosmic Muffin
<spam trap: remove fish from address>
Rhino7
> the body. I think we're starting to see a return to the
> "Oneness" and seminaries like Biblical, while small, are the
> starting places for these movements.
>
> Tristaan
Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for ages,
and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is prohibited by a
large number of secular laws.
<chuckle>
<gets popcorn>
victoreia
[snippy]
> Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>
> !!So Mote It Be!!
>
> <The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college.
> Albeit one with very very short, hirsute students.>
[whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
--
victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
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@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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>
>> Whee! Yesterday I got my acceptance letter from the admissions
>> office at the seminary. I'm officially in the Master of Arts in
>> Ministry program of Biblical Theological Seminary
>> (http://www.biblical.edu/).
>>
>> Gonna have to go brush off my cap and gown...
>>
>> Tristaan
>
> Congrats-n-stuff!!
>
> Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>
> !!So Mote It Be!!
>
> <The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college.
> Albeit one with very very short, hirsute students.>
{REALLY BIG GRIN}
I just love that image! {sits down to enjoy watching the very very
short, hirsute students go from class to class}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> The Bookwurm
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
>> There have been almost 6 centuries of schism and conflict within
>> the body. I think we're starting to see a return to the
>> "Oneness" and seminaries like Biblical, while small, are the
>> starting places for these movements.
>>
>> Tristaan
>
> Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
> female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for
> ages, and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is
> prohibited by
> a large number of secular laws.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> <gets popcorn>
What kind of popcorn is it? {SMILE, plop down}
Even more amusing is watching the media predict a schism in the Anglican
union for the umpteenth time since I was born. The union hasn't split yet.
{AMUSED SMILE}
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:bea62$487992f1$13...@news.teranews.com...
> On 7/12/2008 1:36 PM, Rhino7 wrote:
> [snippy]
>> Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>>
>> !!So Mote It Be!!
>>
>> <The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college.
>> Albeit one with very very short, hirsute students.>
>
> [whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>
> --
> victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]
Ape. Remember that. They're apes. {Smile, wink, SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Tristaan
brain with:
>Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
>female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for ages,
>and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is prohibited by a
>large number of secular laws.
However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).
Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
(being God).
This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
sociological differences in time and place.
Tristaan
brain with:
>Congrats-n-stuff!!
>
>Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>
>!!So Mote It Be!!
>
><The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college. Albeit
>one with very very short, hirsute students.>
Hirsute, yes. Short? Depends upon your definition of "short".
See, when we orangs are normally seen, we're sitting on our bums
so, obviously, we appear short.
Ever see a full grown male orangutan standing upright on his hind
feet?
Tristaan
brain with:
>
>[whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>
>--
>victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]
The orangs look at victoreia with rather hurt looks on their
faces, shake the heads sadly and huddle around. Finally, one
approaches victoreia with a slip of paper. It reads:
"Oook ook oook OOOk eep ook eep oook 50 ook eep ook ook oop eek
10 eep ook ook OOk eep 5 ook eep ook oop ook eep ook ooop eek 2
eek"
Which, roughly translates:
"Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
weeks starting now."
Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
Joyce Haslam
Tristaan <trist...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
> heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
> reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
> not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
> (being God).
> This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
> the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
> when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
> sociological differences in time and place.
Funny, I thought (back when I thought about such things) that
change was harder in the fundamentalist sects (like the one I
grew up in - no names no packdrill) where everyone had to agree,
and there was no one who could say "It shall be *thus*" and make
it "thus". However, while I've been away (40 years in England),
things have changed incrementally and my brothers didn't seem to
have noticed. I managed to keep quiet (nearly).
IOW you may well be right.
Joyce (ready to return to lurk mode).
Joyce Haslam.
--
"The spear in the Other's heart is in your own: you are he." -- Surak
Tristaan
my brain with:
>Funny, I thought (back when I thought about such things) that
>change was harder in the fundamentalist sects (like the one I
>grew up in - no names no packdrill) where everyone had to agree,
>and there was no one who could say "It shall be *thus*" and make
>it "thus". However, while I've been away (40 years in England),
>things have changed incrementally and my brothers didn't seem to
>have noticed. I managed to keep quiet (nearly).
Perhaps that might be the case as of 40 years ago, but in the
post-modernistic sociological/cultural landscape that exists now
in the United States, change is inevitable.
I belong to a so-called "fundamentalist" sect (I've heard the
Mennonite church called such, or at least ultra-conservative) and
it's only been within the past 40 or 50 years that a LOT of
changes have occurred.
However, considering the Roman Catholic church, any change in
church function, doctrine, etc, must flow up the line to the Pope
and then flow back down. In the protestant denominations, while
you have "committee decisions", most of the time (in my
experience) those committee decisions are made only after the
cultural pressure from the individual congregations has made it
moot.
I could be wrong in this evaluation (not having intimate
knowledge of the Roman Catholic church and it's hierarchical
processes) but that's what appears to be the case.
Mummy Az
wrote:
>However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
>non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
>century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).
Not so!
The Salvation Army, which was an offshoot of the Methodists, has
allowed female clergy since its inception in 1878. Between 1934 and
1939, Evangeline Booth, (daughter of William Booth, the founder of the
Army) became the 4th General (highest rank among the clergy).
Az
(former Salvationist)
victoreia
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:24:20 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>> [whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>>
>> --
>> victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]
>
> The orangs look at victoreia with rather hurt looks on their
> faces, shake the heads sadly and huddle around. Finally, one
> approaches victoreia with a slip of paper. It reads:
>
> "Oook ook oook OOOk eep ook eep oook 50 ook eep ook ook oop eek
> 10 eep ook ook OOk eep 5 ook eep ook oop ook eep ook ooop eek 2
> eek"
>
> Which, roughly translates:
>
> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
> weeks starting now."
>
> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
>
Doesn't that count? [sniffle, pout]
--
victoreia (trying the "pity me" face the cats always use......)
Tristaan
brain with:
>Not so!
>
>The Salvation Army, which was an offshoot of the Methodists, has
>allowed female clergy since its inception in 1878. Between 1934 and
>1939, Evangeline Booth, (daughter of William Booth, the founder of the
>Army) became the 4th General (highest rank among the clergy).
Hehe... IIRC, the Salvation Army has always been at the
forefront of culturally related changes in church doctrine. :-)
Interesting piece of information there to sock away for future
reference. :-)
Tristaan
brain with:
>> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
>> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
>> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
>> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
>> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
>> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
>> weeks starting now."
>>
>> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
>>
>Yes, much better, but I didn't actually _finish_ saying the "m" word!
>Doesn't that count? [sniffle, pout]
>
>--
>victoreia (trying the "pity me" face the cats always use......)
The orang stares at Victoreia for a moment then puts on it's own
"pity me" face... no one can put on a "pity me" pout like a
creature whose lips have their own time zone...
Tristaan
Bookwyrm
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:31:41 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
>>> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
>>> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
>>> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
>>> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
>>> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
>>> weeks starting now."
>>>
>>> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
>>>
>> Yes, much better, but I didn't actually _finish_ saying the "m" word!
>> Doesn't that count? [sniffle, pout]
>>
>> --
>> victoreia (trying the "pity me" face the cats always use......)
>
> The orang stares at Victoreia for a moment then puts on it's own
> "pity me" face... no one can put on a "pity me" pout like a
> creature whose lips have their own time zone...
>
> Tristaan
>
You've obviously never had a close association with a Basset Hound.
It's the eyes!!
'wyrm
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:40:16 -0700, Rhino7 stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>Except, of course, for when the Pope doesn't like the Anglicans having
>>female priests, even though bunches of protestants have had them for
>>ages,
>>and even though discriminating in job selection by gender is prohibited
>>by
>>a large number of secular laws.
>
> However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
> non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
> century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).
> Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
> heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
> reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
> not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
> (being God).
>
> This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
> the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
> when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
> sociological differences in time and place.
Maybe you're right. At least it seems like this sometimes. {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:36:51 -0700, Rhino7 stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>Congrats-n-stuff!!
>>
>>Personally, I think the apes would look kind of spiffy in caps-n-gowns.
>>
>>!!So Mote It Be!!
>>
>><The Library and environs has taken on an air of a medieval college.
>>Albeit one with very very short, hirsute students.>
>
> Hirsute, yes. Short? Depends upon your definition of "short".
> See, when we orangs are normally seen, we're sitting on our bums
> so, obviously, we appear short.
>
> Ever see a full grown male orangutan standing upright on his hind
> feet?
I think they're still a bit shorter than humans. However, they aren't as
much shorter that way. {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:24:20 -1000, victoreia stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>
>>[whispering] Just don't use the "m" word!
>>
>>--
>>victoreia [who would never use the word "monke--" (oh sh*t!)]
>
> The orangs look at victoreia with rather hurt looks on their
> faces, shake the heads sadly and huddle around. Finally, one
> approaches victoreia with a slip of paper. It reads:
>
> "Oook ook oook OOOk eep ook eep oook 50 ook eep ook ook oop eek
> 10 eep ook ook OOk eep 5 ook eep ook oop ook eep ook ooop eek 2
> eek"
>
> Which, roughly translates:
>
> "Please submit a 50 page research paper on the taxonomical,
> genetic, physiological, mental, emotional, and spiritual
> differences between apes and monkeys paying special attention to
> orangutans as the example of apes and squirrel monkeys as the
> example of monkeys. Be sure to site at least 10 sources, 5 of
> which being primary sources of direct research. Project due in 2
> weeks starting now."
{puzzled frown}
But where's the alternate translation? Isn't there always an alternate
translation that's pretty much unrelated? {puzzled smile}
> Tristaan (better than physical violence, yes?)
Oh yes. I'll agree with that! {SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:4fbf6dce...@ukgateway.invalid...
> In article <70np74h9jo0fcmqls...@4ax.com>,
> Tristaan <trist...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Considering the totalitarian (for lack of a better word)
>> heirarchy within the Catholic church, it is harder to bring about
>> reforms like this than it is in protestant faiths where there is
>> not one overseeing "ruler" of the church other than the obvious
>> (being God).
>
>> This is not to say reforms won't happen and can't happen within
>> the Catholic church, just that they tend to move a little slower
>> when it comes to changes that come about from cultural and
>> sociological differences in time and place.
>
> Funny, I thought (back when I thought about such things) that
> change was harder in the fundamentalist sects (like the one I
> grew up in - no names no packdrill) where everyone had to agree,
> and there was no one who could say "It shall be *thus*" and make
> it "thus". However, while I've been away (40 years in England),
> things have changed incrementally and my brothers didn't seem to
> have noticed. I managed to keep quiet (nearly).
These also have a lot of trouble changing, especially if they think they
know the one true way to interpret the Holy Bible. {lop-sided} However, the
Roman Catholic Church with it's rigid hierarchy also has more trouble than
more moderate groups. {Smile}
At least that's how it looks to this Episcopalian. {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"Mummy Az" <ma...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1qfq741rtnu9i2umt...@4ax.com...
Thanks. I wasn't aware that they were that early. {Smile}
I think they are one of the more moderate-as-opposed-to-extreme
denominations. Am I right? {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Az
> (former Salvationist)
Mummy Az
Moderate is a very good way to describe the Army. I know it looks a
bit ... odd ... to those who haven't been brought up in it. Uniforms
and ranks and so on and so forth are a bit hard for some people to
take. But it works.
One of the things I have always loved about the army is that is 'faith
in action' based. Outreach always works by making sure the person is
*physically* OK, fed and appropriately clothed and so forth before the
saving of souls. Souls are important but William Booth always said
it's hard for a man to hear the Word when his belly is rumbling so
loudly.
While I no longer classify myself as Christian, I look back on my
upbringing with the Salvation Army as good. Many of the lessons I
learned in the Army (like fairness, justice, equality of the sexes
before God, acceptance, lending a hand) are ones I have tried to teach
my own girls, just without the religion aspect of it all.
Az
Tristaan
<anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
> These also have a lot of trouble changing, especially if they think they
>know the one true way to interpret the Holy Bible.
Sad but true... in fact, this is kinda the topic of my sermon
this coming Sunday. If you're curious as to a preview, check out
http://ballymennoniteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/05/tradition.html
>{lop-sided} However, the
>Roman Catholic Church with it's rigid hierarchy also has more trouble than
>more moderate groups. {Smile}
I think generally speaking, a lot of groups have the problem with
rapid change, specifically because of the tendencies to settle
into the "groove" of "That's the way it's always been done."
Tristaan
<anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
> But where's the alternate translation? Isn't there always an alternate
>translation that's pretty much unrelated? {puzzled smile}
Well, yes... I think the alternative translation based upon the
southern Indonesian dialect is something on the lines of:
Bill Clinton is a fish that eats Obama on his waffles while
McCain swings from the trees due to the BigFoot that is wandering
through Bush's rose garden.
But, in context, that translation doesn't make much sense so we
throw it out as trivial. :-)
Tristaan
Tristaan
brain with:
>Bill Clinton is a fish that eats Obama on his waffles while
>McCain swings from the trees due to the BigFoot that is wandering
>through Bush's rose garden.
>
>But, in context, that translation doesn't make much sense so we
>throw it out as trivial. :-)
Note that I said "in context". By itself, that translation
probably means MUCH more than we could POSSIBLY imagine. ;-)
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:14:54 -1000, "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin" <anneb @
> aloha . net> wrote:
>>"Mummy Az" <ma...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:1qfq741rtnu9i2umt...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:22:12 -0400, Tristaan <trist...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>However, the move to allow female clergy in the protestant (and
>>>>non-Anglican denominations) has only been within the last half a
>>>>century (if not more recent... I don't know the specific dates).
>>>
>>> Not so!
>>>
>>> The Salvation Army, which was an offshoot of the Methodists, has
>>> allowed female clergy since its inception in 1878. Between 1934 and
>>> 1939, Evangeline Booth, (daughter of William Booth, the founder of the
>>> Army) became the 4th General (highest rank among the clergy).
>>
>> Thanks. I wasn't aware that they were that early. {Smile}
>>
>> I think they are one of the more moderate-as-opposed-to-extreme
>>denominations. Am I right? {Smile}
>>
>>
>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
>
> Moderate is a very good way to describe the Army. I know it looks a
> bit ... odd ... to those who haven't been brought up in it. Uniforms
> and ranks and so on and so forth are a bit hard for some people to
> take. But it works.
I know of no denomination that's better at spreading the social gospel
as the Salvation Army. {Smile}
> One of the things I have always loved about the army is that is 'faith
> in action' based. Outreach always works by making sure the person is
> *physically* OK, fed and appropriately clothed and so forth before the
> saving of souls. Souls are important but William Booth always said
> it's hard for a man to hear the Word when his belly is rumbling so
> loudly.
I think he has a point. {Smile} That approach to outreach is what I mean
by "the social gospel," by the way. {SMILE}
> While I no longer classify myself as Christian, I look back on my
> upbringing with the Salvation Army as good. Many of the lessons I
> learned in the Army (like fairness, justice, equality of the sexes
> before God, acceptance, lending a hand) are ones I have tried to teach
> my own girls, just without the religion aspect of it all.
They do sound like good goals. I hope the Little Goddesses think so too.
{SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:56:31 -1000, "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin"
> <anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
>
>> These also have a lot of trouble changing, especially if they think
>> they
>>know the one true way to interpret the Holy Bible.
>
> Sad but true... in fact, this is kinda the topic of my sermon
> this coming Sunday. If you're curious as to a preview, check out
>
> http://ballymennoniteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/05/tradition.html
I remember that one. I found it particularly thought-provoking. I bet it
will be a good sermon. {SMILE}
>>{lop-sided} However, the
>>Roman Catholic Church with it's rigid hierarchy also has more trouble
>>than
>>more moderate groups. {Smile}
>
> I think generally speaking, a lot of groups have the problem with
> rapid change, specifically because of the tendencies to settle
> into the "groove" of "That's the way it's always been done."
You're probably right. Sometimes it's terribly hard to break away from
habits and ruts, even if you recognize they aren't good. If you aren't sure
how bad they are, it's that much worse. {small smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:52:47 -1000, "Anne Elizabeth Baldwin"
> <anneb @ aloha . net> stomped through my brain with:
>
>> But where's the alternate translation? Isn't there always an alternate
>>translation that's pretty much unrelated? {puzzled smile}
>
> Well, yes... I think the alternative translation based upon the
> southern Indonesian dialect is something on the lines of:
>
> Bill Clinton is a fish that eats Obama on his waffles while
> McCain swings from the trees due to the BigFoot that is wandering
> through Bush's rose garden.
>
> But, in context, that translation doesn't make much sense so we
> throw it out as trivial. :-)
Okay. I guess I can see the problem. {GRIN, wink}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:59:51 -0400, Tristaan stomped through my
> brain with:
>
>>Bill Clinton is a fish that eats Obama on his waffles while
>>McCain swings from the trees due to the BigFoot that is wandering
>>through Bush's rose garden.
>>
>>But, in context, that translation doesn't make much sense so we
>>throw it out as trivial. :-)
>
>
> Note that I said "in context". By itself, that translation
> probably means MUCH more than we could POSSIBLY imagine. ;-)
Maybe so.
At least it makes as much sense as most of politics. {SMILE, wink}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Joyce Haslam
> http://ballymennoniteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/05/tradition.html
Good sermon. And yes, the end is love: that *is* what will endure.
For the tricky bits, well, I don't think Jesus taught non-violence
in the way that Gandhi (for example) did. And some 1st century
Roman soldiers were Christians (they brought Christianity to
England long before the Canterbury guy - sorry, senior moment
here). There is a story (made into a West End play?) about the
soldier who nailed Jesus to the cross praying for guidance and in a
vision being given the nails again - to use again. Paul said "work
out your own salvation with fear and trembling", which I'm told was
a current idiom for "very carefully". No one promised us an easy
ride.
Just to pull the thread further off topic: I'm very glad to see
that the Pope has rebuffed those who wanted to go by parish-loads
from the Anglican to the Roman communion. They've been told to stay
where they are and work for church unity. Hurrah!
SAMK
The same does happen in the Roman Catholic church, because the
bishops become cardinals and the cardinals elect/become the pope.
The thing is, the American Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church
are far far more progressive than their European and 3rd world
counterparts. They have even been chided by the Pope, on occasion.
It is interesting, because most of our associate pastors are now
coming from places like the Phillipines or hispanic countries.
They can lose an entire congregation when they stand up and start
preaching about how absolute obedience to all of the strictures of
the Catholic church is required to be considered Catholic.
And they lose me faster than the rest...
SAMK, a not very good Roman Catholic
Tristaan
with:
>It is interesting, because most of our associate pastors are now
>coming from places like the Phillipines or hispanic countries.
>They can lose an entire congregation when they stand up and start
>preaching about how absolute obedience to all of the strictures of
>the Catholic church is required to be considered Catholic.
At the risk of sounding judgemental, this type of stance by any
denomination sounds so much like the Pharasical practices of the
1st Century CE... Jesus himself specifical spoke against the
legalistic adherance to human-created laws and practices at the
expense of the grace, mercy, and love implicit (and in some
cases, explicit) in the law. So much of the practices of that
era were from rabbinical interpretation of scripture and, in
fact, those rabbinical interpretations were given as much
credance (if not, in some extreme cases, more) than the law
itself.
The Catholic church is not alone in this. Mennonites, Baptists,
Lutherans, etc... All have their own interpretations of the
"right" way of doing church. There are a few things in Christian
faith that are concrete, indisputably accepted truths. But there
are a LOT of things that are based on interpretation. The sad
part is that it is on those areas that the church has split and
split again over the last 2 millenia.
While all these convictions have solid arguments based upon
scripture to back them up, they are still, to a point, human
construction based upon a limited understanding of the big
picture.
Jesus summed it up best:
"The Most Important Command
34-36When the Pharisees heard how he had bested the Sadducees,
they gathered their forces for an assault. One of their religion
scholars spoke for them, posing a question they hoped would show
him up: "Teacher, which command in God's Law is the most
important?"
37-40Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion
and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the
first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it:
'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands
are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from
them."
" Matthew 22:34-40 MEssage paraphrase.
There's a lot that goes along with these but, if you get down to
core faith, this is what it is all about... showing love to God
and showing love to Man... by doing the second, you are also
doing the first. By doing the first, you are ultimately going to
do the second. Aim ultimately for showing love for God... and to
truly show love, you need to get to KNOW him and understand him
to the best you are able.
...
...sorry... another sermon in the works, there. Apologies if
I've caused any offense.
SAMK
> At the risk of sounding judgemental, this type of stance by any
> denomination sounds so much like the Pharasical practices of the
> 1st Century CE... Jesus himself specifical spoke against the
> legalistic adherance to human-created laws and practices at the
> expense of the grace, mercy, and love implicit (and in some
> cases, explicit) in the law. So much of the practices of that
> era were from rabbinical interpretation of scripture and, in
> fact, those rabbinical interpretations were given as much
> credance (if not, in some extreme cases, more) than the law
> itself.
The problem is, the Catholic Church does not consider those things
passed down from the Pope to be "human-created" but that the Pope
has a direct line to God.
I say, anything created by man is, by nature, imperfect. Even divine
inspiration cannot overcome this limit.
And the fact that they change their mind on things only proves it.
SAMK
Tristaan
with:
>The problem is, the Catholic Church does not consider those things
>passed down from the Pope to be "human-created" but that the Pope
>has a direct line to God.
Here's an interesting theological point. According to most
interpretations of the book of Hebrews, all believers have "a
direct line to God." That's the purpose of Christ's work on
earth...to make it so that the intention of the Law (to give
God's people a way of coming close to him) is actually fulfilled.
>I say, anything created by man is, by nature, imperfect. Even divine
>inspiration cannot overcome this limit.
1 Corinthians 1:25 points out that as dumb as the things of God
may seem, even the dumbest of them is wiser than anything that
man can come up with. God is a lot bigger than we give him
credit for and we many times have the arrogance to think that we
have him all wrapped up in a nice neat package. When we do that,
in my experience, he usually does something to show us exactly
how wrong our package actually is. We can come close to
understanding God and his ways and, in fact, he is able and does
actually at times give direct revelation. But even that
revelation is limited to a situation and so we never fully "get"
all of God... at least not in this mortal life. That's where
faith comes in... we have to trust him to be aware of what's
going on in the world and to be able to do what needs to be done
for the greatest good... even when we don't understand it.
>And the fact that they change their mind on things only proves it.
The Pope, the priests, the pastors, the preachers, the elders...
they are all human beings... and humans frequently get wrapped up
in their own heads and sometimes miss the point. What makes me
sad is that people put their trust in these flawed humans instead
of God so that, when the human fails, they think God failed and
end up abandoning their faith... this is a great tragedy IMO.
Rhino7
> they gathered their forces for an assault. One of their religion
> scholars spoke for them, posing a question they hoped would show
> him up: "Teacher, which command in God's Law is the most
> important?"
> 37-40Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion
> and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the
> first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it:
> 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands
> are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from
> them."
> " Matthew 22:34-40 MEssage paraphrase.
>
Heya Tris ... technical question: which version are you using there? It's a
very nice modern translation without being "too modern".
The Bookwurm
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Tristaan
brain with:
>> 34-36When the Pharisees heard how he had bested the Sadducees,
>> they gathered their forces for an assault. One of their religion
>> scholars spoke for them, posing a question they hoped would show
>> him up: "Teacher, which command in God's Law is the most
>> important?"
>> 37-40Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion
>> and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the
>> first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it:
>> 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands
>> are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from
>> them."
>> " Matthew 22:34-40 MEssage paraphrase.
>>
>> Tristaan
>
>Heya Tris ... technical question: which version are you using there? It's a
>very nice modern translation without being "too modern".
That "translation" is not, technically, a translation. It's a
paraphrase of a translation. Someone took the original texts and
translated it (into like the NIV or the KJV or something like
that) and then reworded it, paraphrased it. So it's a
translation of a translation...
It's called "The Message" Here's a couple of links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%28Bible%29
http://www.navpress.com/Message/HistoryAndFaqs/#05
Most scholarly work done is usually done with something like the
NIV or the RSV which are more direct translations with very
little paraphrasing occurring.
But "The Message" is really good for putting a modern stress and
impact on some very ancient concepts.
Tristaan
brain with:
>But "The Message" is really good for putting a modern stress and
>impact on some very ancient concepts.
One of my favorite passages from "The Message" that really drives
home the point occurs in Job 38-41. God basically let's Job have
it for questioning him. Check it out.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038-41;&version=65;
Specifically, I like this part:
"Do you presume to tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Are you calling me a sinner so you can be a saint?
Do you have an arm like my arm?
Can you shout in thunder the way I can?
Go ahead, show your stuff.
Let's see what you're made of, what you can do.
Unleash your outrage.
Target the arrogant and lay them flat.
Target the arrogant and bring them to their knees.
Stop the wicked in their tracks—make mincemeat of them!
Dig a mass grave and dump them in it—
faceless corpses in an unmarked grave.
I'll gladly step aside and hand things over to you—
you can surely save yourself with no help from me! "
Job 40:8-14
Reading this passage reminds me of the movie "Bruce Almighty".
Okay... so... you think you can do a better job than God? Be my
guest... ;-)
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:0qCdnbDuGoz1ABPV...@comcast.com...
The heads of the Roman Catholic Church do seem to try to change their
minds as little as possible once they've made them up. I notice policy
still changes over time, but this change is distinctly on the slow and
gradual side. {slightly lopsided Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Rhino7
>>a
>>very nice modern translation without being "too modern".
>
> That "translation" is not, technically, a translation. It's a
> paraphrase of a translation. Someone took the original texts and
> translated it (into like the NIV or the KJV or something like
> that) and then reworded it, paraphrased it. So it's a
> translation of a translation...
>
> It's called "The Message" Here's a couple of links:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%28Bible%29
> http://www.navpress.com/Message/HistoryAndFaqs/#05
>
> Most scholarly work done is usually done with something like the
> NIV or the RSV which are more direct translations with very
> little paraphrasing occurring.
>
> But "The Message" is really good for putting a modern stress and
> impact on some very ancient concepts.
>
> Tristaan
I agree. Very nice. Probably not for scholarly purposes, but ... <g>.