Standard Time
Tim Bruening
Snicker
> Happy start of Standard Time, in which the clocks fall back an hour!
My clock fell but I caught it.
Cyberbilly
A tourist was visiting an Indian reservation. While he was there he
asked this old chief if the Indians observed Daylight Savings Time.
After a long pensive pause, the chief replied "Only white man dumb
enough to cut a foot off bottom of blanket, sew it to top and think he
have a longer blanket.
-CB
Joseph Nebus
>On Nov 4, 8:40=A0pm, Snicker <johnnaishwer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 1, 3:07=A0am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> > Happy start of Standard Time, in which the clocks fall back an hour!
>>
>> My clock fell but I caught it.
>A tourist was visiting an Indian reservation. While he was there he
>asked this old chief if the Indians observed Daylight Savings Time.
>After a long pensive pause, the chief replied "Only white man dumb
>enough to cut a foot off bottom of blanket, sew it to top and think he
>have a longer blanket.
I wonder about a chief so stupid as to imagine that if the
blanket doesn't cover his chest that some of the several feet laying
over the edge of the bed can't possibly be pulled up to a more useful
spot.
--
Joseph Nebus
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Martin Mose Larsen
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>Happy start of Standard Time, in which the clocks fall back an hour!
Western Standard Time = High Noon
sayonara
Martin Mose Larsen
Dan
>nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) found these unused words:
>
>>Cyberbilly <wvmo...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>A tourist was visiting an Indian reservation. While he was there he
>>>asked this old chief if the Indians observed Daylight Savings Time.
>>
>>>After a long pensive pause, the chief replied "Only white man dumb
>>>enough to cut a foot off bottom of blanket, sew it to top and think he
>>>have a longer blanket.
>>
>> I wonder about a chief so stupid as to imagine that if the
>>blanket doesn't cover his chest that some of the several feet laying
>>over the edge of the bed can't possibly be pulled up to a more useful
>>spot.
>
>Don't, the Chief is smart enough - he's commenting on the WHITE man's
>foolishness of daylight 'savings' time.
>
>Doesn't 'save' a thing with the extended period as either morning is black,
>or night is black - and in some latitudes BOTH - so it matters not!
Time of day in the west is not standardised on sunrise, but on
mid-day. I.e. 12 noon is when the sun is highest. The sunrise time
itself varies throughout the year and is at its earliest in the
summer, in the UK this is around 3:45am GMT at midsummer. 'Daylight
savings time' simply shifts the clock during the summer so that
instead of having an hour of daylight at 4-5am when most people are
asleep, we instead have an extra hour of daylight at 8-9pm, when
most people are still awake and can make use of it.
It doesn't make the total length of daylight longer, however it
makes the useful amount of daylight longer for most people.
whodunit
work in the early 20th century?
Or maybe just Congress screwing around with stuff it didn't need to mess
with back then, just like they do now. :-)
Rom
Then the chief is a narrow-sighted moron and ignoramus; it was never about
having a --longer-- day but having more --usable-- hours in the Summer, as
instead of having an hour or so of daylight early in the morning when most
are and thus ends up going unused by most, you have that time shifted
towards the evening to where it --can-- be made use of. For shame...
-Rom
Anim8rFSK
"Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
Except for everything you said being wrong, sure. No wonder you post
anonymously.
--
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It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
Rom
> In article <u4SdnaPjwvT222nX...@wavecable.com>,
> "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Cyberbilly wrote:
>>> On Nov 4, 8:40 pm, Snicker <johnnaishwer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 1, 3:07 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Happy start of Standard Time, in which the clocks fall back an
>>>>> hour!
>>>>
>>>> My clock fell but I caught it.
>>>
>>> A tourist was visiting an Indian reservation. While he was there he
>>> asked this old chief if the Indians observed Daylight Savings Time.
>>>
>>> After a long pensive pause, the chief replied "Only white man dumb
>>> enough to cut a foot off bottom of blanket, sew it to top and think
>>> he have a longer blanket.
>>
>> Then the chief is a narrow-sighted moron and ignoramus; it was never
>> about having a --longer-- day but having more --usable-- hours in
>> the Summer, as instead of having an hour or so of daylight early in
>> the morning when most are and thus ends up going unused by most,
>> you have that time shifted towards the evening to where it --can--
>> be made use of. For shame...
>
> anonymously.
1) What exactly did I say that was wrong?
2) Rom is my name, or rather, short for my full name, Romalak, thus I'm not
exactly posting anonymously. You on the other hand appear to using a random
name, so I really don't see where you get off trying to use that as an
argument?
If you are going to reply to tell me I'm in error, then try to actually
point out where I was wrong. Thanks.
-Rom
Rom
> "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> found these unused words:
> light, stop at dusk! The only ones being fooled are those looking at
> the time instead of really DOING SOMETHING!
What about all the people who wake up at a certain time (ie, to get up for
work) ?
> That's the real point of the Chief and why the current burrow
> critters make absolutely no sense of the world's situation. They're
> too concerned with what things are -=called=,- not how they actually
> work!
I'm really not sure what you mean here. As far as I can tell, in the summer,
because of DST, you have a little more daylight in the evening and that much
less in morning, going by a clock, which IS how a lot of people the word
over in many developed nations go by for much of their lives, no?
-Rom
Rom
> by natural time - rises with the sun, goes to bed when the sun goes
> down, does everything else *when it needs doing* not by a timetable -
> doesn't need "daylight savings".
Have you never had to wake up at a certain time or regularly attended school
or other activities that occur at a scheduled *time* ? Whether it's work,
school, or an evening martial arts or yoga class, etc, or what time a show
comes on (i.e., Stargate on TV), many things *DO* go by what *time*, and
last time I checked, much of the developed world uses clocks. Don't you?
I'm not saying EVERYONE in the world goes solely by a clock. I have been on
farms before, where you indeed wake up at "first light", more or less. Yes,
it's nice to be able to go by "natural time", as you say, but not everyone
can do that for many things that are schedule based, and there are many
people who have full on schedule based lives (I prefer to do most things on
/my/ schedule but I still have to observe what time a give thing is at lest
I miss it.)
-Rom
Anthony Buckland
"whodunit" <whod...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:hd1cvn$h5u$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> ...
> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
> work in the early 20th century?
That certainly seems to have been the case in Canada, but think
how much simpler things would have been if farmers were simply
encouraged to adjust their work days. I mean, exactly how
desperate _were_ early 20th century farmers to get their kids
home from school one hour out of sync with the government's
concepts of the official day?
Anthony Buckland
"Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> wrote in message
news:UeydnaXUQZntLmnX...@wavecable.com...
> ...
> I'm really not sure what you mean here. As far as I can tell, in the
> summer, because of DST, you have a little more daylight in the evening and
> that much less in morning, going by a clock, which IS how a lot of people
> the word over in many developed nations go by for much of their lives, no?
Consider scads of people in the nominally developing
world who, to determine when to start the work day
and end it, look up at the sky. For all of their lives.
Time zones might become of passing interest in
the evening, when it becomes time to wind up the
internet computer from the Gates and connect
with the rest of the world. But _work_? Sheesh.
A Watcher
I'm from farm country and I recall when I was a kid the farmers didn't
like daylight savings time. The animals woke up and thus their work
would start when the sun came up. Without DST they could get their
chores done before the kids had to go to school and before the towns
started up for business. Nowadays most farmers don't have animals so it
isn't that big a deal.
David Johnston
Farmers? What do farmers care? DST is for people who have some
leisure time.
Tim Bruening
Anthony Buckland wrote:
The farmers can't work very well when its dark,
Tim Bruening
Cyberbilly wrote:
Does Time Fly in Indian land?
Tim Bruening
Snicker wrote:
Did you clean your clocks?
Rom
> animals internal time. "natural" time. Cows *know* when they want
> milked and they don't need a clock to tell them it's time.
You are speaking way to generally. Many farmers may go by "natural time" but
it doesn't mean all do. Also, going by natural time isn't necessarily fixed
either, as you're not always going to wake up or get to your animals at the
exact same time each day. I know both for a fact and from actual experience
that animals are very capable of adjusting; i.e. if you are delayed (or
early) by a few min, or be it an hour, they will adapt. Usually animals just
wont care, they will adjust to *you*.
> DST is a townie invention.
Actually many different kinds of people had come up with the idea. Try
reading a little history. Even Benjamin Franklyn proposed it (but couldn't
proceed due to a lack of any standardized time.)
-Rom
Rom
> "Rom" <R...@nospaM.invalid> found these unused words:
>
> early - it is, and thus 'wasted daylight'.
No, I never said I "subscribed" to any such theory. Stop making assumptions.
> Any real need of the daylight will work whatever the time clock says!
>
> On the Pacific West Coast, all it does is make it DARK when kids are
> going to school! This is 'helpful'?
I have been on the west coast in the middle of the summer and there was
daylight before 8 am, plenty of time for most to get to school, most of
which I understand usually come into session around 8:30 am.
> ONE SIZE doesn't 'fit all'.
I never said it did. It is, in fact, in general, difficult to satisfy
everyone.
> So the Chief was smarter than the WiteMan ... he knew that it made NOT
> difference, the end result was that the blanket stayed the same
No, the "Chief" was actually wrong; I don't believe I've ever heard anyone
in their rational mind argue that it makes the day actually longer, but
rather just a one hour shift. It is in fact the changing of the seasons that
the length of a day varies (longer in summer and shorter around winter.) The
"Chief"
-Rom
Anthony Buckland
uses one time zone. If they went strictly by the
meridians, they'd have pieces of five zones. Needless
to say, they no longer use daylight saving time.
Dragon Lady
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybuc...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:3q6dncfg5dASV2nX...@giganews.com...
impossible. There are so many daylight hours, depending on the time of
year, and changing the clock isn't going to change that. The purpose was to
have them working at a *different* time - ie: one hour earlier in the winter
hours - so that they would be inside and watching the boob tube and it's
advertising at night instead of going straight to bed.
In other words, it was money based.
My personal opinion is that the idiot who thought it up should have been
slapped upside the head and told what an idiot he is. The stress of
changing your schedule twice a year is something nobody needs to go through.
If I'm going to catch a cold or the flu during the year, it will be during
one of these idiotic time changes.
nemo
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4AF53282...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Time flies in Latin would be something like Tempus Avolo.
Time Fleas can be a nuisance if the get into your TARDIS!
nemo
A really stupid clockmaker who ended up in prison was asked would he like to
get out but he was so dumb he didn't even know what escapement!
Dracular's clock-maker: Horror-ologist!
Michael A. Terrell
whodunit wrote:
>
> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
> work in the early 20th century?
Farmers used roosters to wake them at dawn. They didn't need an alarm
clock. When the rooster got old, you killed it and had a chicken dinner.
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
Your Name
>
> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
> work in the early 20th century?
There are at least three supposed reasons thrown about for inane practice of
altering the clocks for "daylight savings" / "summer time".
A. The farmers one you mention, which is garbage because most
farmers hate the clocks being altered and it makes little
difference to them (cows, for example, don't have clocks and
must be milked at the same real time each day).
B. To save electricity, which is garbage since all you're doing
is moving the electricity use to the other end of the day. You
might save a tiny amount, but certainly not worth screwing
with so many people.
C. In war time, it meant people didn't have to use the lights as
much because it would be lighter during what was previously
the first blackout hour, again garbage since you're again
moving the need for a light to the other end of the day.
In reality there is NO need to screw about with clocks (at least one state
in Australia doesn't bother at all). For most people it's simply an annoying
pain in the sit-upon. The most sensible thing to do would be to change the
clocks by half-an-hour and then stop mucking about with them.
David Johnston
wrote:
>whodunit wrote:
>>
>> I thought it originally had to do with giving farmers extra daylight to
>> work in the early 20th century?
>
>There are at least three supposed reasons thrown about for inane practice of
>altering the clocks for "daylight savings" / "summer time".
>
>A. The farmers one you mention, which is garbage because most
> farmers hate the clocks being altered and it makes little
> difference to them (cows, for example, don't have clocks and
> must be milked at the same real time each day).
>
>B. To save electricity, which is garbage since all you're doing
> is moving the electricity use to the other end of the day.
Not if it is still light when people wake up even after the time
shift.
Your Name
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
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The whole stupid idea of changing the clocks is to give an extra "hour" of
daylight at on end of the day, which mean you're losing that "hour" from the
other end.