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Dorothy J Heydt  
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 More options Sep 20 2009, 11:23 am
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written, rec.arts.books.tolkien, alt.fan.tolkien, alt.books.cs-lewis, alt.books.inklings
From: djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:23:30 GMT
Local: Sun, Sep 20 2009 11:23 am
Subject: Re: Tolkien trained as a WW2 codebreaker
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In article <20090920140306.32AD.3.NOF...@dthierbach.news.arcor.de>,
Dirk Thierbach  <dthierb...@usenet.arcornews.de> wrote:

>Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Sep 19, 9:18 am, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>> Jeff Urs  <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >And there was the word "numinous" to help him along.

>>> So there was, and that was a favorite word of Lewis's.

>> And, in fact, that word was intentionally part of Tolkien's
>> inspiration too.

>Is there a source for that? Tolkien states twice in /Letters/ that
>there is no connection between "Numenor" and "numinous".

There are *some* sneaky connections between words in _LotR_
and words in our linguistic inventory.  For instance _craban_
(plural _crebain_), "crow", is cognate with Latin _corvus_,
Greek _korax_ and (by Grimm's Law) English "raven."  And very
sneaky indeed, consider the Sindarin for "Man" -- _adan_.

And in the _Silmarillion_, at the end of the Akallabeth, we
read that after Numenor sank beneath the sea it was called
Atalante, the Downfallen.

But I don't think _Numenor_ itself means anything other than
"Western land."

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Dorothy J. Heydt
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