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Scottish Magical Realism (slightly O/T)

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BlueShift

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Sep 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/20/00
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Someone not too long ago, in a thread not far from here, mentioned
Scottish Magical Realism (MSR) in connection with WF, CR, Whit &
Complicity. I thought that was stretching it a bit, but it put me in
mind of an author whose name I promptly forgot.
Anyway, I looked him up in my collection, it was Chaz Brenchley, who
wrote Dead of Light and Light Errant. Those two are great examples of
SMR IMO.
Anyone else met them?

BlueShift
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Keith Waddell

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Sep 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/21/00
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Don't know anything about those authors, but I was reminded of this:

Definition of Magical Realism:
Term used by critics to describe sci-fi or fantasy when written by
someone they know from Oxbridge.

Cheers,

Keith.

Anna Feruglio Dal Dan

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Sep 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/21/00
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Keith Waddell <ke...@viriconium.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Definition of Magical Realism:
> Term used by critics to describe sci-fi or fantasy when written by
> someone they know from Oxbridge.

ROTFL

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Richard Horton

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Sep 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/21/00
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:25:10 +0100, Keith Waddell
<ke...@viriconium.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Definition of Magical Realism:
>Term used by critics to describe sci-fi or fantasy when written by
>someone they know from Oxbridge.

Gene Wolfe's definition was "Fantasy written in Spanish."

I think those are wrong: the canonical MR works I've read are
distinctly different in feel from fantasy. Magic Realism is a
"something", part of fantasy but a distinct branch of it.

Incidentally, I can think of two books which, in rather different
ways, read to me like "Magic Realist Science Fiction": M. John
Harrison's _Signs of Life_ is one (excellent and somewhat overlooked
1997 novel), and Bruce Sterling's brand new novel _Zeitgeist_ is
another.


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Keith Waddell

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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M John Harrison!

Very, very underated novelist - deserves far more recognition. I heard of him via a
recommendation from IB. Started with "Climbers", as I was climbing a lot at the time. He had very
obviously been to the same crags, walls and cafes that I had. Even the London bits were based in
the same area I used to live in. Spooky!

Next read the shorts, the Viriconium stories, then Course of the Heart and Signs of Life. All
completely wonderful and unlike anyone else writing today.

I still wouldn't use the term Magical Realism though :-)

Keef.

Anna Feruglio Dal Dan

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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Richard Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote:

> Gene Wolfe's definition was "Fantasy written in Spanish."
>
> I think those are wrong: the canonical MR works I've read are
> distinctly different in feel from fantasy. Magic Realism is a
> "something", part of fantasy but a distinct branch of it.

Wolfe does write things that sounds to me a lot like Magical Realism.
This may be because Wolfe is a very good writer stylistically, and so
tend to be a lot of the MRealist.

Jeannette Simpson

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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Keith Waddell wrote in message <39CA4476...@viriconium.fsnet.co.uk>...

>Don't know anything about those authors, but I was reminded of this:
>
>Definition of Magical Realism:
>Term used by critics to describe sci-fi or fantasy when written by
>someone they know from Oxbridge.


Rubbish. Harlan Ellison has written in the realm of Magical Realism, as has
one of his literary mentors, Jorge Luis Borges. I'm pretty sure that HE
would rather be known as a Magical Realist than as a skiffy writer.

If you'd read any literary criticism you'd be aware that Magical Realism is
in no way conflated with fantasy and/or sci-fi (or even science fiction).

Jeannette

RTR

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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uh...I think you just made his point for him, while managing to
completely miss the humor involved.

JMHO.

RTR

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Anna Feruglio Dal Dan

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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Keith Waddell <ke...@viriconium.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Definition of Magical Realism:
> Term used by critics to describe sci-fi or fantasy when written by
> someone they know from Oxbridge.

Over in rasfw I've just read Gene Wolfe's definistion of MR: Fantasy
written in spanish. :-)

Keith Waddell

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Sep 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/22/00
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Jeannette Simpson wrote:

> Keith Waddell wrote in message <39CA4476...@viriconium.fsnet.co.uk>...
> >Don't know anything about those authors, but I was reminded of this:
> >

> >Definition of Magical Realism:
> >Term used by critics to describe sci-fi or fantasy when written by
> >someone they know from Oxbridge.
>

> Rubbish. Harlan Ellison has written in the realm of Magical Realism, as has
> one of his literary mentors, Jorge Luis Borges. I'm pretty sure that HE
> would rather be known as a Magical Realist than as a skiffy writer.
>

> Well, pardon me. That was supposed to be a humourous quote, but y'know what
> they say - "Never attempt humour in an e-mail" I just don't learn....

> If you'd read any literary criticism you'd be aware that Magical Realism is
> in no way conflated with fantasy and/or sci-fi (or even science fiction).
>

Nope, never read any literary critisism. Too busy reading literature. I suppose
that rools me out of any "serious" diskushions.

Keefus.

>
> Jeannette


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