Writing to Del Rey about KKB
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
requests to please publish KKB as fast as possible. The URL for the Del Rey
Internet Newsletter is: www.randomhouse.com/delrey. They have a dialog box
that says "Write to us." Worth a try, I think.
Melissa
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cjshilts
Steven Silver wrote:
> I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
> Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
Steven, I think we'd all love to see the book come out early if possible. Are
there any plans for the publisher to put books on cd-rom? Thank you for asking.
Carolyn with pax
Celia Grey
>
> > I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
> > Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
Sure, ask when KGL...er KKB comes out, and whatever the answer,
gasp and say, "That long?!?!" ;)
Valete,
Celia
Steven Silver
Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
--
Steven H Silver
shsi...@ameritech.net
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
shsi...@ameritech.net wrote:
> I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
> Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
Thank you! All I ask you to do is to convey the basic message "Please publish
this book with all the possible speed you can without compromising the
end quality of the product! KK fans everywhere will bless you for it! :)"
Thanks, Steve!
Melissa
Snuffybear
<shsi...@ameritech.net> writes:
>
>I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
>Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
>
>
Maybe you could see if they need proofreaders for the books - you know, people
who have memorized the other books and could point out little inconsistencies?
Marion
Roberta Johnson
Genius! Put me down! I'm read very fast and find all the details!
Roberta
Helen
>
> I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
> Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
>
--
I would like to know if there are plans to publish "KGL" in the UK. As
well as the date it will be published in the USA so that I can order my
copy from Amazon.
Helen
Celia Grey
> In article <35A9516E...@ameritech.net>, Steven Silver
> <shsi...@ameritech.net> writes:
> >
> >I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
> >Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
> Maybe you could see if they need proofreaders for the books - you know, people
> who have memorized the other books and could point out little inconsistencies?
> Marion
Ooooh! Great idea! :) And we'd be perfect for it too - God knows
we're all skilled at picking nits. ;)
Valete,
Celia
Robb J. Belak
could send them mail easily.
I'm sure we all could squeeze in a message a day.
For the next two month.
And having it as a post here would help remind the forgetful.
Anyone want to come up with a nice form letter we all could send.
Waiting til August to finally disect Codex,
Robb
Helen
Well, I have Del Ray's e-mail address on my webpage for you to just
click on.
It's at http://home.btconnect.com/happy-hamsters/haldanes/haldane5a.htm
and the address is del...@randomhouse.com
They answered me when I last wrote to them and said that KKB would be
released in the summer of 2000. That was before Westercon.
shsi...@ameritech.net
Helen <helen_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Robb J. Belak wrote:
> >
> > Could Someone post a Del Rey email link so we all
> > could send them mail easily.
> >
> > I'm sure we all could squeeze in a message a day.
> > For the next two month.
This isn't really likely to speed the process up. Sending one message,
perhaps, SPAMMING Del Rey probably is not a good idea.
> > Anyone want to come up with a nice form letter we all could send.
>
Individually written messages tend to a) sound more sincere and b) be more
effective
>
> Well, I have Del Ray's e-mail address on my webpage for you to just
> click on.
> It's at http://home.btconnect.com/happy-hamsters/haldanes/haldane5a.htm
> and the address is del...@randomhouse.com
> They answered me when I last wrote to them and said that KKB would be
> released in the summer of 2000. That was before Westercon.
I would imagine that you would really want to send the e-mail to
del...@randomhouse.com. Companies tend to spell their own subsidiaries names
properly.
--
Steven H Silver
shsilver@ameritech
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/turtledove.html
Unicorn636
In article <Pine.A41.3.95.980714...@green.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
Celia wrote:
Add me to that group, too! Great idea, Marion! <BG>
Susan
Kyri817
writes:
>I would like to know if there are plans to publish "KGL" in the UK. As
What is this???
Kyri
Kyri817
>Well, I have Del Ray's e-mail address on my webpage for you to just
Should we put something particular in the subject line?
Address these to anyone in particular?
Kyri
Helen
Helen
> >
> > Well, I have Del Ray's e-mail address on my webpage for you to just
> > click on.
> > It's at http://home.btconnect.com/happy-hamsters/haldanes/haldane5a.htm
> > and the address is del...@randomhouse.com
> > They answered me when I last wrote to them and said that KKB would be
> > released in the summer of 2000. That was before Westercon.
>
> I would imagine that you would really want to send the e-mail to
> del...@randomhouse.com. Companies tend to spell their own subsidiaries names
> properly.
>
> --
> Steven H Silver
> shsilver@ameritech
> http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/turtledove.html
You are right, but happily I am right as well. The URL is
http://www.randomhouse.com/delray with my way of spelling it and my
e-mail to delray did reach them. I found this information in the back of
one of the deryni books.
However, at the website all references to their name are spelt delrey
and the e-mail address that they give is del...@randomhouse.com
Maybe they are as confused as me about the spelling of their name, but
at least they are nice enough to support both spellings.
When I looked at their site I found an option to "write to us" in their
index, linking to a page with a simple form to fill in, an easy way to
ask them about KKB. You can also subscribe to their newsletter.
Helen
Steven Silver
>
> Steven Silver wrote:
> >
> > I'm having dinner with KK's publisher and editor at Del Rey on Friday.
> > Anything specific you want me to ask about the publishing schedule?
> >
> copy from Amazon.
This would be a question to ask KK's British publisher, who seems to be
Century/Arrow.
Kyri817
experience doing that.. little though it may be.
I have some other questions too...
1. Do they ever plan to come out with Hardbound Collectors editons?
Complete with artwork... =) *my paperbacks keep falling apart
Even the 2 hardbacks I possess are looking a trifle shabby.. *
Perhaps these could match the Codex in style and elegance?
2. Can they possibly move the publishing date up?
*wondering why it takes so long - since KK has already submitted it*
Well theres other things.. but I'll let you have a chance to eat your lunch
too.. =)
Looking forward to your update Steve!
Kyri
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
KK did mention at the Con that she hoped Del Rey would spring for shiny new
editions of her Deryni books, especially the earlier ones which are becoming
hard to find. I doubt that they'll go for cloth bound new editions, though.
Too much dinero involved. But perhaps there will be new pbks. And HOPEFULLY
they'll get a new (and somewhat more competent) artist to the covers for the
new eds. and DEFINITELY for the cover of KKB. If they use the fool who did
the cover for TBP, I'll scream. Talk about a terrible color scheme! :)
Melissa
Steven Silver
before meeting with the people from Del Rey.
1. Del Rey does not use external proofreaders. In fact, when I've read
advanced copies of their books and pointed out some errors, they've
thanked me and politely informed me that my assistance was not required
in that area.
2. British pub dates have nothing to do with Del Rey, they are set by
the author's British publishers, in this case, I believe, Century/Arrow
3. Del Rey currently does not have plans for CD-ROM publishing. They
are not set up for it. The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, published
by St. Martin's, was produced on CD-ROM by Grolier's under a completely
separate contract.
4. Once a book is submitted, the work needs to be read by KK's editor,
proofed, typeset, a cover artist lined up, time scheduled on the
presses, time scheduled at the bindery, and worked into the schedule
behind all the other scheduled (and delivered) books. The process can
only be sped up so much and frequently items are delayed.
Outstanding questions include:
Plans to reissue the earlier books in hardcover?
Release date for KKB (a.k.a. KGL)
JLBMCL
I know this has been discussed before. What do you dislike about the cover of
TBP? The colors? I have always liked this cover. At least compared to some
of the other books. I did not think the woman on the cover looks much like
Sudrey. Actually, before I read the book I thought the woman was Mika.
To be honest, I usually do not like book artwork. I do not feel that they come
close to the way that I have pictured events. I wonder if the artists have
read the books or are given the scenes by the editors.
Trying to think cool thoughts. Though Massachusetts is definitely alot cooler
than some of you folks.
pax,
john
Roberta Johnson
And I snipped:
>To be honest, I usually do not like book artwork. I do not feel that they come
>close to the way that I have pictured events. I wonder if the artists have
>read the books or are given the scenes by the editors.
>
>pax,
>john
Couldn't agree more! I wondered for years if the artist even read
_any_ of the books they are engaged to draw covers for!
Roberta
matt_c...@hotmail.com
shsi...@ameritech.net wrote:
<snip>
> Outstanding questions include:
> Plans to reissue the earlier books in hardcover?
> Release date for KKB (a.k.a. KGL)
KGL? I'm sorry, can you elaborate on that? I thought it was King Kelson's
Bride, did I miss something?
Thanks,
M@
Rebldavis
<shsi...@ameritech.net> writes:
>
>1. Del Rey does not use external proofreaders.
I recently read in a New York Times article that many authors are getting fed
up with the poor quality of copy editing and proofreading from their publishers
and several contract indepentent editors to do a more thorough job. So you all
just have to get KK to contract you as indepentent proof readers:)
Rebecca
rebl...@aol.com
Steven Silver
Usually the cover artist is only given the specific scene the editor or
art director or marketing folk want to have illustrated for the cover.
This, of course, means that they don't know what the characters look
like. Also, in most cases the author and artist are not encouraged to
get together and frequently the author (who has not control over the
cover art anyway) doesn't even know who their cover artist is until the
art is delivered.
Rebldavis
(JLBMCL) writes:
>Dear Melissa,
>
>I know this has been discussed before. What do you dislike about the cover
>of
>TBP? The colors? I have always liked this cover. At least compared to some
>of the other books. I did not think the woman on the cover looks much like
>Sudrey. Actually, before I read the book I thought the woman was Mika.
>
>To be honest, I usually do not like book artwork.
Me either. But my biggest pet peeve in the cover of HoG. The blue habited
figure that's supposed to be Joram is a copy of Francisco Zurbaran's *St.
Francis in Meditation* who is kneeling, not standing, hence the awkwardness in
posture. :-P
Rebecca
rebl...@aol.com
White Crow
> Couldn't agree more! I wondered for years if the artist even read
> _any_ of the books they are engaged to draw covers for!
I would doubt it if they could read them, as they are often contracted to
do the artwork long before the book is finished (in that, it's fully
edited and proofed, etc...although it's finished in the sense that's it is
off to the editor from the author). I don't know how long it takes for an
artist to do a cover, but even after that there's the process of getting a
painting into a reproducable format to make the covers and that can't be
too quick.
They probably get a synopsis and/or a scene to reproduce. Some covers are
better than others, maybe b/c the artist is just plain better and maybe
they read others books in the series. :)
Jennifer
--
The White Crow
Game Goddess (C.H.I.M.E.R.A. Official Title)
Born-Again Dice Karmaist
"I hope I never do anything without due thought, even if the thought sometimes
has to shift its feet pretty briskly to keep up with the deed." -- Cadfael
FUDGE Deryni and more: www.io.com/~whytcrow/rpg.html
Dennis Higbee
: In article <35AE620E...@ameritech.net>, Steven Silver
: <shsi...@ameritech.net> writes:
I'm a copyeditor, though not for mass-market publishers, and I understand
that almost all mass market copyediting is done freelance, under
incredible time restraints.
Publishers feel it is more cost-efficient to pay freelancers and
deal with the drop in quality than to pay the salary and benefits
that in-house copyediting will demand.
(This is not to slam freelancers. Given the constraints most
of them work under doing an utterly thankless job, it's a
miracle that most books end up looking as good as they do.)
--
Dennis Higbee | "Ain't it funny that they all fire the
bn...@li.net | pistol at the wrong end of the race."
http://www.li.net/~bnook/ | -P. Townshend
matt_c...@hotmail.com
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us wrote:
> And HOPEFULLY
> they'll get a new (and somewhat more competent) artist to the covers for the
> new eds. and DEFINITELY for the cover of KKB. If they use the fool who did
> the cover for TBP, I'll scream. Talk about a terrible color scheme! :)
>
> Melissa
*raises his hand in agreement*
Ugh, talk about bad!!! I think the only thing that bothered me as much was
that the color or my book cover was this kind of sick light blue!
M@
"the darkblue, gold lettered cover fanatic"
Celia Grey
: Usually the cover artist is only given the specific scene the editor or
: art director or marketing folk want to have illustrated for the cover.
: This, of course, means that they don't know what the characters look
: like.
That's a pretty silly way to do it. :) They could have avoided irritating
a lot of fans, simply by telling the artists, "Give him black hair and
grey eyes." That's my main objection to a lot of the covers - why do they
depict virtually every Haldane as a blonde?!?
: Also, in most cases the author and artist are not encouraged
to : get together and frequently the author (who has not control over the
: cover art anyway) doesn't even know who their cover artist is until the
: art is delivered.
: --
And we thought WE hated the covers. Imagine the poor author's reaction. ;)
Actually, on a side note, this is odd - I've been noticing that Avon books
uses this one artist fellow (Tom Canty) for a lot of things, and his work
is so distinctive, you can tell it at a glance. Sure makes it easy to find
the sequels on the pb rack! :)
Valete,
Celia
Steven Silver
>
> And we thought WE hated the covers. Imagine the poor author's reaction. ;)
> Actually, on a side note, this is odd - I've been noticing that Avon books
> uses this one artist fellow (Tom Canty) for a lot of things, and his work
> is so distinctive, you can tell it at a glance. Sure makes it easy to find
> the sequels on the pb rack! :)
While Tom Canty's work is distinctive from everyone elses, all of his
pieces look (to my eye) as if they are parts of one large piece. They
all look the same.
Now, the one book I would love for him to illustrate would be Mark
Twain's _The Prince and the Pauper_. Can anyone figure out why?
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
jlb...@aol.com (JLBMCL) wrote:
> Dear Melissa,
>
> I know this has been discussed before. What do you dislike about the cover of
> TBP? The colors? I have always liked this cover. At least compared to some
> of the other books. I did not think the woman on the cover looks much like
> Sudrey. Actually, before I read the book I thought the woman was Mika.
>
come
> close to the way that I have pictured events. I wonder if the artists have
> read the books or are given the scenes by the editors.
>
> than some of you folks.
>
> pax,
> john
>
The hot pink lettering on a dark purple background for one thing.:) Also, the
art work looks hasty and careless. The horse's harnesses are all wrong.
Sudrey is holding reins, but her horse has no bridle. Sudrey herself looks
FAR too young --more how I would picture Sidana.AAnd I doubt she would wear
her hair loose that way. Rhysem's horse looks like its reins are been pulled
hard, but Rhysem is holding a shield with one hand and is trying to zap
Miklos with the other and his hands are nowhere NEAR the reins. His horse
could be scared by the magic flying around, I'll grant you. Miklos is
alright, but the flames aren't. I will say, it's better than the earliest
"1970's Ugly" art on the earliest covers of the Deryni Chronicles.
Feeling picky,
Melissa
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
rst...@pacbell.net (Roberta Johnson) wrote:
> On 17 Jul 1998 01:26:12 GMT, jlb...@aol.com (JLBMCL) wrote:
>
> And I snipped:
>
come
> >close to the way that I have pictured events. I wonder if the artists have
> >read the books or are given the scenes by the editors.
> >
>
> >john
>
> Couldn't agree more! I wondered for years if the artist even read
> _any_ of the books they are engaged to draw covers for!
>
>
There was a panel at Westercon called "Why can't the artist just read the
damn book?" ;) Alas, it conflicted with another panel with KK that I wanted
to attend more. I would REALLY like to see a quality cover on KKB, though.
I will admit, I kind of liked the cover on KJY.
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
> <snip>
> > Outstanding questions include:
> > Plans to reissue the earlier books in hardcover?
> > Release date for KKB (a.k.a. KGL)
>
> KGL? I'm sorry, can you elaborate on that? I thought it was King Kelson's
> Bride, did I miss something?
>
> Thanks,
> M@
KGL is the "unofficial" title of KKB. It stands for "Kelson Gets Laid." ;)
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
shsi...@ameritech.net wrote:
> Roberta Johnson wrote:
> >
> > On 17 Jul 1998 01:26:12 GMT, jlb...@aol.com (JLBMCL) wrote:
> >
> > And I snipped:
> >
> > >To be honest, I usually do not like book artwork. I do not feel that they
come
> > >close to the way that I have pictured events. I wonder if the artists have
> > >read the books or are given the scenes by the editors.
> > >
> >
> > >pax,
> > >john
> >
> > Couldn't agree more! I wondered for years if the artist even read
> > _any_ of the books they are engaged to draw covers for!
> >
> > Roberta
>
> art director or marketing folk want to have illustrated for the cover.
> This, of course, means that they don't know what the characters look
> get together and frequently the author (who has not control over the
> cover art anyway) doesn't even know who their cover artist is until the
> art is delivered.
Dear Steven,
I know there must be economic and timely reasons for this, but it seems crazy
to me! The artist is "not encouraged" to contact the author. Is this the
same thing as being "actively DIScouraged?" from contacting the author? I
would think that if the artist even talked to the author in a fifteen minute
phonecall and said "This is the scene that I've been given to illustrate.
What can you tell me about appearance of the characters involved, and what
should I emphasize?" It seems to me that if the authors have some say in the
artist that's being used and if the artist takes the time to really try to
understand what's going on in the scene he or she is illustrating, it would
lead to happier authors, a better quality of art on book jackets. And
perhaps better artwork would lead to better book sales from a book jacket
that can really catch the eye of a casual bookstore browser. In other words,
people like me! I've probably missed some good books in my time because I
simply didn't like the cover art. I must also say that if I knew nothing
about the Deryni world , or about KK's wonderful skill as a storyteller, I
probably WOULDN'T buy her books on the strengths of their book jackets.
Fortunately, I don't judge HER books by their covers! :)
End of Lecture,
Kyri817
Well I'd personally like a lovely set of hardbound editions for my living room.
Complete with *beautifully done* and **accurate** artwork for both the dust
jackets and inside. I've always thought it'd be neat if they included various
pictures inside a hardbound edition.
Another thought would be to bind the various trilogies together.
like HoG, KJY, TBP. Of course with appropriate artwork..
This might be more acceptable to them - fewer books to "reprint"
Heck I'd even be willing to offer myself as a free consultant if they'd do
this!
Of course KK's input would be far more valuble. =) Than my NSH advice.
"NO mr editor... Joram doesn't have black hair - you can't put that on the dust
jacket!" or "These portraits are lovely, however I think the artist should
READ the story before doing his job..... "
Hmm.. I think I'll add this in my note to delrey... ;)
Does anyone else have any ideas/thoughts/suggestions???!
well tis late .. must to bed.
Morning comes early these days.
Kyri
Kyri817
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us writes:
> If they use the fool who did
>the cover for TBP, I'll scream. Talk about a terrible color scheme! :)
Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just about retched when I saw it. It still makes me slightly queasy.
It's noticable all right.. but hard to look at.
Kyri
defau...@domain.com
A more likely possibility, given current trends in New York publishing,
is the reissue of the books in newly repackaged trade paper editions.
Ballantine has, in fact, done exactly that with the Pern novels of Anne
McCaffrey, while maintaining the mass market editions in print as well.
Robert Reginald
Sianny P. Schira
>
> That's a pretty silly way to do it. :) They could have avoided irritating
> a lot of fans, simply by telling the artists, "Give him black hair and
> grey eyes." That's my main objection to a lot of the covers - why do they
> depict virtually every Haldane as a blonde?!?
>
Yep, that bugged me too! My husband got to hear me complain about
Kelson not having black hair on the cover. Poor guy :-)
Sianny
> And we thought WE hated the covers. Imagine the poor author's reaction. ;)
> Actually, on a side note, this is odd - I've been noticing that Avon books
> uses this one artist fellow (Tom Canty) for a lot of things, and his work
> is so distinctive, you can tell it at a glance. Sure makes it easy to find
> the sequels on the pb rack! :)
> Valete,
> Celia
Dennis Higbee
: Celia Grey wrote:
: >
: > And we thought WE hated the covers. Imagine the poor author's reaction. ;)
: > Actually, on a side note, this is odd - I've been noticing that Avon books
: > uses this one artist fellow (Tom Canty) for a lot of things, and his work
: > is so distinctive, you can tell it at a glance. Sure makes it easy to find
: > the sequels on the pb rack! :)
: While Tom Canty's work is distinctive from everyone elses, all of his
: pieces look (to my eye) as if they are parts of one large piece. They
: all look the same.
: Now, the one book I would love for him to illustrate would be Mark
: Twain's _The Prince and the Pauper_. Can anyone figure out why?
Only if Miles Hendon does the cover copy...
Steven Silver
--
cjshilts
Steven Silver wrote:
> Celia Grey wrote:
> >
> > And we thought WE hated the covers. Imagine the poor author's reaction. ;)
> > Actually, on a side note, this is odd - I've been noticing that Avon books
> > uses this one artist fellow (Tom Canty) for a lot of things, and his work
> > is so distinctive, you can tell it at a glance. Sure makes it easy to find
> > the sequels on the pb rack! :)
>
> While Tom Canty's work is distinctive from everyone elses, all of his
> pieces look (to my eye) as if they are parts of one large piece. They
> all look the same.
>
> Now, the one book I would love for him to illustrate would be Mark
> Twain's _The Prince and the Pauper_. Can anyone figure out why?
>
> --
> Steven H Silver
> shsi...@ameritech.net
> http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/
Tough one Steven, but maybe it's because I've never seen a man as the main
character in his art? I need more data. Carolyn with pax
cjshilts
Celia Grey wrote:
> Steven Silver (shsi...@ameritech.net) wrote:
>
> : Usually the cover artist is only given the specific scene the editor or
> : art director or marketing folk want to have illustrated for the cover.
> : This, of course, means that they don't know what the characters look
> : like.
>
> That's a pretty silly way to do it. :) They could have avoided irritating
> a lot of fans, simply by telling the artists, "Give him black hair and
> grey eyes." That's my main objection to a lot of the covers - why do they
> depict virtually every Haldane as a blonde?!?
>
> : Also, in most cases the author and artist are not encouraged
> to : get together and frequently the author (who has not control over the
> : cover art anyway) doesn't even know who their cover artist is until the
> : art is delivered.
> : --
>
> And we thought WE hated the covers. Imagine the poor author's reaction. ;)
> Actually, on a side note, this is odd - I've been noticing that Avon books
> uses this one artist fellow (Tom Canty) for a lot of things, and his work
> is so distinctive, you can tell it at a glance. Sure makes it easy to find
> the sequels on the pb rack! :)
> Valete,
> Celia
This thread has sent me flying to my bookcases in search of my Patricia M-K
books (whose artwork I love) only to discover that they are at work(?). I'm
pretty sure that Thomas Canty is the artist. I love his work. It's so
Muchaesque and ethereal. I would gladly purchase these arts as posters to
frame. He definitly does the Diana Paxson book covers. In fact, I always find
the books with his art on the cover to buy when browsing the bookstores.
Carolyn with pax and stuck in visual-land
Steven Silver
> > Usually the cover artist is only given the specific scene the editor or
> > art director or marketing folk want to have illustrated for the cover.
> > This, of course, means that they don't know what the characters look
> > like. Also, in most cases the author and artist are not encouraged to
> > get together and frequently the author (who has not control over the
> > cover art anyway) doesn't even know who their cover artist is until the
> > art is delivered.
>
> Dear Steven,
>
> I know there must be economic and timely reasons for this, but it seems crazy
> to me! The artist is "not encouraged" to contact the author. Is this the
> same thing as being "actively DIScouraged?" from contacting the author? I
> would think that if the artist even talked to the author in a fifteen minute
> phonecall and said "This is the scene that I've been given to illustrate.
> What can you tell me about appearance of the characters involved, and what
> should I emphasize?" It seems to me that if the authors have some say in the
> artist that's being used and if the artist takes the time to really try to
> understand what's going on in the scene he or she is illustrating, it would
> lead to happier authors, a better quality of art on book jackets. And
> perhaps better artwork would lead to better book sales from a book jacket
> that can really catch the eye of a casual bookstore browser. In other words,
> people like me! I've probably missed some good books in my time because I
> simply didn't like the cover art. I must also say that if I knew nothing
> about the Deryni world , or about KK's wonderful skill as a storyteller, I
> probably WOULDN'T buy her books on the strengths of their book jackets.
No, not the same as actively discouraging. But frequently, the author
doesn't know who their artist is and the artist doesn't necessarily know
who their author is. The idea behind it is that the author is in the
business of writing books, not selling them. The artist is in the
business of painting pictures based on what s/he is told and the art
director is in the business of figuring out what the best way to sell
the book is.
In many cases, the marketing people are not interested in people like
you or me. Once we are into a series, we'll buy the book no matter what
goes on the cover. They are interested in attracting the reader who
hasn't already discovered the author and they do this by commissioning a
piece of cover art which gives the impression of what the story is
about. In many cases, the person commissioning the artwork hasn't read
the book either, but is working from a description provided to them by
the editor.
Tanya Robinson
<snip>
> Another thought would be to bind the various trilogies together.
> like HoG, KJY, TBP. Of course with appropriate artwork..
> This might be more acceptable to them - fewer books to "reprint"
> <snip>
> Kyri
I actually have a hard back book that my Aunt got me (years ago, I don't
want to date myself too much (grin), it has all three of the Deryni
Chronicles in it. I have to admit it is nice to have, but I wonder if
the binding will hold together after all the use I've given it.Tanya
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
kyr...@aol.com (Kyri817) wrote:
> Melissa,
>
> Well I'd personally like a lovely set of hardbound editions for my living
room.
> Complete with *beautifully done* and **accurate** artwork for both the dust
> jackets and inside. I've always thought it'd be neat if they included various
> pictures inside a hardbound edition.
Hey, I'd love to have a set like that, too! And yes, I'd also like to see
illustrated plates INSIDE the books showing various important scenes. I'm not
counting on it though, as the price would probably be prohibitive.
>
> Another thought would be to bind the various trilogies together.
> like HoG, KJY, TBP. Of course with appropriate artwork..
> This might be more acceptable to them - fewer books to "reprint"
An interesting possibility. The book of the month club packaged the first
trilogy together in one hardbound volume. The cover art on that wasn't TOO
bad, although Duncan came out looking quite homely. Kelson looks okay, but
Alaric looks a bit too much like a blonde Prince Valiant and the artist gave
him a mustache -- big no-no! And there were no interior illustrations.
>
> Heck I'd even be willing to offer myself as a free consultant if they'd do
> this!
> Of course KK's input would be far more valuble. =) Than my NSH advice.
>
> "NO mr editor... Joram doesn't have black hair - you can't put that on the
dust
> jacket!" or "These portraits are lovely, however I think the artist should
> READ the story before doing his job..... "
LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art Editor, can you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be HANDSOME
dag nab it!"
>
> Hmm.. I think I'll add this in my note to delrey... ;)
>
> Does anyone else have any ideas/thoughts/suggestions???!
>
> well tis late .. must to bed.
> Morning comes early these days.
> Kyri
>
Melissa
Jaswant S. Ranu
>
> LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art Editor, can you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
> Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be HANDSOME
> dag nab it!"
>
>
Well, at least Mr. Sweet is consistent. ;) He turned Rand into a red
haired ogre on the cover of Jordan's "A Crown of Swords". I'm surprised
people still hire him to do more jacket artwork.
Jaswant
Dabobabe1
you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
>Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be HANDSOME
>dag nab it!"
>
Is it me or did Kelson look like he had eaten a lemon?
A. Leigh-anne Paige
aka
dabo...@aol.com
Kyri817
character sketch for the poor artists.
I mean how hard would that be...
Ok Artist.. we want a cover with Joram, Evaine, and Queron
standing next to Camber's bier.
*appropriate scene description from book here*
Joram looks like this..short description of age, height, coloring, occupation.
and so on. Likewise for the others.
I think we'd get much better covers for just a few minutes time don't you
think?
I mean they go to all that expense just to get it wrong?
Someone isn't thinking..... =)
Kyri
Ragar
defau...@domain.com wrote in message <35AF5922...@domain.com>...
>Dear Kyri,
>
>A more likely possibility, given current trends in New York publishing,
>is the reissue of the books in newly repackaged trade paper editions.
>Ballantine has, in fact, done exactly that with the Pern novels of Anne
>McCaffrey, while maintaining the mass market editions in print as well.
>
>Robert Reginald
>
way they failed to release the long promised hardcover Belgariad
Part 2 which was supposed to be released with Polgara the Sorceress. Their
solution trade paper editions of the series.
What a let down.
They did hardbound reprints of the early Terry Brooks novels.
Go figure.
regards,
Ragar
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
It's not you -- he DID. And he had little squinty eyes, to boot. And that
crown he's wearing looked STOOOPID. (Can you tell I didn't especially like
that cover? Camber looked okay, but for the rest ycchhh!)
Just my two gold doubloons,
Snuffybear
>I know this has been discussed before. What do you dislike about the cover
>of
>TBP? The colors? I have always liked this cover. At least compared to some
>of the other books. I did not think the woman on the cover looks much like
>Sudrey. Actually, before I read the book I thought the woman was Mika.
>
>
I can't think of the last book cover that I liked (with the exception of Codex
- that one I'd like in a poster size print!) None of the Deryni books has good
cover art.
I think those blurbs on the back of books are almost as bad as the art. I was
really annoyed with TBP because it was a scene much further into the book. I
also don't like the way they take lurid scenes and quote them.
I looked at one of the blurbs on the Cadfael books and wondered if the person
who wrote it read the book - several of the facts were wrong.
Marion.
cas...@my-dejanews.com
shsi...@ameritech.net wrote:
>
> Outstanding questions include:
> Plans to reissue the earlier books in hardcover?
> Release date for KKB (a.k.a. KGL)
>
Currently scheduled for May 2000
Nope not a typo -- it _really_ said "2000". :/
And that was all it said.
Steven, I hope you have better news.
Casey
Mkathlyn
>It's not you -- he DID. And he had little squinty eyes, to boot. And that
>crown he's wearing looked STOOOPID
no kidding....they obviously didn't ask us ladies how we see Kelson, did they?
Kyri817
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us writes:
> The horse's harnesses are all wrong.
Yes.
>Sudrey is holding reins, but her horse has no bridle. Sudrey herself looks
>FAR too young --more how I would picture Sidana.
I spent the book thinking it was most likely Mika.
Or possibly Sudrey's daughter.
Sudrey was a grandmother not in her early 20's!
Not to mentions she was doing magic herself - not just "caught" in the
crossfire!
>AAnd I doubt she would wear her hair loose that way.
True. I don't think she was for this part - or did in public.
Not to mention - who would wear their hair down if it was that long to a
possible
confrontation - especially if you thought you might have to fight? Even
magically
I'd make sure I had as few distractions as possible. Not to mention it makes
an easy grab target from horseback.
>hard, but Rhysem is holding a shield with one hand and is trying to zap
>Miklos with the other and his hands are nowhere NEAR the reins.
uh huh... all in all if I didn't know (after reading the book)
That it had to be that scene - I'd have wondered - actually I did wonder - if
they had the right picture with the right book!
As I said before a few minutes of preparation and everyone would be pleased.
*grin*
I do agree though that the cover art for KJY was rather good however.
Kyri
rav...@my-dejanews.com
kyr...@aol.com (Kyri817) wrote:
> I think someone could at least put together a thumbnail
> character sketch for the poor artists.
> I mean how hard would that be...
Good idea. I think what we need to do it convince KK to let US do the
artistry! I can do GREAT stick figures=) Seriously, isn't there an artist
among us that can do a sketch? Think of it this way...They have to send you
an early copy so you can produce a good cover=)
> I think we'd get much better covers for just a few minutes time don't you
> think?
>
> I mean they go to all that expense just to get it wrong?
> Someone isn't thinking..... =)
>
> Kyri
I agree with you wholeheartedly. To tell the truth, the artwork on the
Kelson series is not totally terrible. I like that I can see the dispair and
sorrow in Dhugal's uncles face as Kelson is facing him down on his horse.
You can even see Kelson's ponytail=)
Has anyone see the paperback copies of the adept series? I got early
editions and they have artwork inside the front cover. Adam Sinclair changes
in appearance in all three books=( Not good. We should start a publishing
company called KKNG Publishing=) I am an accountant and computer programmer,
we have all the editors right here...Why not=)
I am done,
Matt
shsi...@ameritech.net
cas...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <35AE620E...@ameritech.net>,
> shsi...@ameritech.net wrote:
> >
> > Outstanding questions include:
> > Plans to reissue the earlier books in hardcover?
> > Release date for KKB (a.k.a. KGL)
> >
> I just received email from Del Rey re KKB. To quote:
>
> Currently scheduled for May 2000
>
> Nope not a typo -- it _really_ said "2000". :/
> And that was all it said.
>
> Steven, I hope you have better news.
Nope, worse. KK's editor says it is _unofficially_ scheduled for spring 2000.
--
Steven H Silver
shsilver@ameritech
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/turtledove.html
Julie Stampnitzky
<6otorn$3aj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> As Melissa is reported to have said: >LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art Editor,
can
>> you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
>> >Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be
HANDSOME
>> >dag nab it!"
>> >
>>
>> Is it me or did Kelson look like he had eaten a lemon?
>>
>> A. Leigh-anne Paige
>> aka
>> dabo...@aol.com
>>
>>
>
>that cover? Camber looked okay, but for the rest ycchhh!)
Are we supposed to believe that he was wearing a crown on this trip, and
that it didn't fall off when he fell in the river?
csch...@clark.net
shsi...@ameritech.net wrote:
> In article <6oue42$st$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> cas...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Currently scheduled for May 2000
> >
> > Nope not a typo -- it _really_ said "2000". :/
> > And that was all it said.
>
OH. MY. GOD.
Bad thing. Vurra bad thing.
It's been so long!
Bad Thing. *sob*
Chris
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us
It probably would have if he'd been wearing one. I doubt he was, given that
he wasn't at court and was riding up a mountain in terrible weather. But the
one he's wearing on the cover does NOT look authentic to 12th century
Gwynedd.
Melissa the Grumpy
Steven Silver
>
> mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us wrote:
> >
> > LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art Editor, can you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
> > Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be HANDSOME
> > dag nab it!"
> >
> >
>
> Well, at least Mr. Sweet is consistent. ;) He turned Rand into a red
> haired ogre on the cover of Jordan's "A Crown of Swords". I'm surprised
> people still hire him to do more jacket artwork.
People still hire Sweet because despite the fact that everyone seems to
complain about his artwork (I was discussing his work with an author and
artist over dinner the other night), he still has one of the
consistantly highest sell-throughs of any artist in the sf/f field.
jharper
pleased.
> *grin*
>
> I do agree though that the cover art for KJY was rather good however.
Unfortunately, the robe of the Michaeline on the cover of KJY is the wrong
shade of blue.
Janie
tara...@loxinfo.co.th
I have read the back blurb on many books and they seem okay, but after I read
the books I realize that the blurb on the back either has wrong information
in it or has almost nothing to do with the book. I have to agree about the
information on the back of the Cadfael books, the back of DR says that it is
a "sweeping tale romance and sorcery". I wonder who they think is playing in
the romantic roles in the book. That is other than Jehana. If I remember
the book correctly.
Jsut my two baht(Thai money),
Tara
Kyri817
snuff...@aol.com (Snuffybear) writes:
> can't think of the last book cover that I liked (with the exception of Codex
>- that one I'd like in a poster size print!) None of the Deryni books has
>good cover art.
I thought the Grimoire's cover art was rather good.
Kyri
Rebldavis
mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us writes:
>, I'd also like to see
>illustrated plates INSIDE the books showing various important scenes. I'm
>not
>counting on it though, as the price would probably be prohibitive.
Well, that depends... Donald M. Grant Pub. limited editions of Stephen King's
Dark Tower series aren't cheap (they are fully illustrated inside and out with
color plates), about $50. However Plume then puts them out in trade paperback
for about $14 with all the illustrations intact. But as you can see, the price
for the hardback isn't any worse than the limited ed. of the Codex, so it can
be done and still be reasonablely priced.
Rebecca
Tanya Robinson
> In article <PNHs1.5862$jQ5.4...@news.mci2000.com>,
> "Julie Stampnitzky" <jsta...@ymail.yu.edu> wrote:
> > mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us wrote in message
> > <6otorn$3aj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > >> As Melissa is reported to have said: >LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art
> Editor,
> > can
> > >> you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
> > >> >Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to
> be
> > HANDSOME
> > >> >dag nab it!"
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Is it me or did Kelson look like he had eaten a lemon?
> > >>
> > >> A. Leigh-anne Paige
> > >> aka
> > >> dabo...@aol.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >It's not you -- he DID. And he had little squinty eyes, to boot.
> And that
> > >crown he's wearing looked STOOOPID. (Can you tell I didn't
> especially like
> > >that cover? Camber looked okay, but for the rest ycchhh!)
> >
> > Are we supposed to believe that he was wearing a crown on this trip,
> and
> > that it didn't fall off when he fell in the river?
> >
> >
>
> It probably would have if he'd been wearing one. I doubt he was,
> given that
> he wasn't at court and was riding up a mountain in terrible weather.
> But the
> one he's wearing on the cover does NOT look authentic to 12th century
> Gwynedd.
>
> Melissa the Grumpy
>
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He also wasn't alowed to take anything with him into the cave that would
be represented as the Haldane King. He wasn't even alowed the eye of
rom.Tanya
Donna B.
NAKED. Maybe the artist figured since he had to invent a non-existent
red robe, he could also invent the non-existent crown.
Donna B. in Raleigh, NC
SPAMtrap - to reply privately, switch the zero and the "o" in my email
address.
Snuffybear
<tige...@itsnet.com> writes:
>He also wasn't alowed to take anything with him into the cave that would
>be represented as the Haldane King. He wasn't even alowed the eye of
>rom.Tanya
>
>
Bet that would raise a few eyebrows - Kelson buck naked on the cover. (I will
keep my thoughts to myself!)
Marion
cas...@my-dejanews.com
Might have increased sales though. <BG> Although I don't see why the artist
couldn't have composed the cover such that Kelson remained decent (if unclad).
Of course, since the artist was Darrell K. Sweet, an accurate cover might have
been too much to expect.
Casey
matt_c...@hotmail.com
> Bet that would raise a few eyebrows - Kelson buck naked on the cover. (I will
> keep my thoughts to myself!)
Buck Naked. Where does this phrase come from anyway? I have no idea why, but
it makes me snicker everytime I hear it or use it.
I'll go sit in the corner and nurse my coffee now.
M@
Gry...@my-dejanews.com
Yes, I realize Kelson went into the cavern naked, and that the nervous
nellies in the DelRey art Dept. might have objected to having this on the
cover. (Or they could have chosen a different scene of the book such as
Kelson and Conall's Duel Arcane and avoided the question altogether.)
However, a well placed leg could have covered Kelson's "naughty bits", as
Monty Python would say. I don't object to the robe so much -- Kelson could
CONCEIVABLY have worn that, but he should have had a reasonable looking crown
or been drawn bareheaded.
Grump, growl snort,
Melissa
Joyce Haslam
> Yes, I realize Kelson went into the cavern naked, and that the nervous
> nellies in the DelRey art Dept. might have objected to having this on
> the cover.
He _did_ have sleeping furs, and could not be blamed for wrapping one
around himself when exploring.
Incidentally, alcohol _does_ increase desire and reduce performance, but
some of the mind altering drugs could increase both...
Joyce.
--
___________________________
Joyce Haslam / dljh...@argonet.co.uk
___________________________/
Dabobabe1
Howells got there clothes...They sure had a ton of clothes for a three hour
tour.
Roberta Johnson
<dljh...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
Snipped again:
>
>Incidentally, alcohol _does_ increase desire and reduce performance, but
>some of the mind altering drugs could increase both...
>
>Joyce.
>
>--
> ___________________________
And Joyce, dear, just how do you know that? <<<VBG>>>
Roberta
>
>
Kyri817
> We should start a publishing company called KKNG Publishing=) I am an
>accountant and computer programmer, we have all the editors right here...Why
>not=)
Well we all definately have the background experience!
Now.. how do we finegle(sp) the contract fo KK away form Delrey?
*grin*
Kyri
Leanne Phillips
Steven Silver <shsi...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>People still hire Sweet because despite the fact that everyone seems to
>complain about his artwork (I was discussing his work with an author and
>artist over dinner the other night), he still has one of the
>consistantly highest sell-throughs of any artist in the sf/f field.
What means sell-through, to those of us not familiar with the jargon,
like me? :)
-Felan
Bernadette/Taiba
matters by Steven Silver <shsi...@ameritech.net> who wrote:
SNIP
>People still hire Sweet because despite the fact that everyone seems to
>complain about his artwork (I was discussing his work with an author and
>artist over dinner the other night), he still has one of the
>consistantly highest sell-throughs of any artist in the sf/f field.
Well, I would have thought that Micheal Whelan would have that title.
:) Now that's someone who ALWAYS reads the books he's painting covers
for! I had the privilege of meeting him at the Orlando Worldcon
(MAGICON) several years ago, and was very impressed by his person as
well as his artwork.
I guess it's a case of people who know the authors will buy the books
anyway, and that gives the false impression that Sweet's work is
appealing to the customers, when the publishers look at the sales
numbers.
Bernadette
Bernadette/Taiba
matters by mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us who wrote:
SNIP
>LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art Editor, can you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
>Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be HANDSOME
>dag nab it!"
The only excuse I can think of is that he has been essentially starved
(despite eating the bread and drinking the ale or wine from the tombs)
for several weeks and that's how Darrell K. Sweet envisioned someone
who had been through that sort of privation. Myself, I don't recall
anyone mentioning whether Kelson was shaved in the ritual bath scene.
So I expected him to have a moderate beard and moustache by the time
they were discovered by the St. Kyriell folk. (My husband can grown a
fairly thick beard of about 3/4 inch in three or four weeks) If he
wasn't shaved he would look pretty shaggy.
But you are right.... Sweet's cover doesn't look anything like Kelson
should. Where was his border braid? And where the heck did he get
that crown thing from? Ridiculous! I'd have preferred to see a
bare-chested, bearded Kelson sitting in a pool of the sleeping furs
that covers the necessary parts yet lets us enjoy his body. <Smirk!>
Although the trade paperback version of THE BISHOP'S HEIR that I have
isn't really accurate as far as Kelson's appearance, it is a much more
attractive cover than anything that Sweet did. Kelson is sitting on a
throne wearing a blue robe with a scarlet cloak, resting his chin on
one hand. He seems a bit burly and fuller of face than I would
prefer, but he looks like a 18 or 19 year old. It's a rather
attractive cover to my eyes, and much, much better than the Sweet
covers.
BTW, THoG cover that everyone hates could have been worse. Katherine
got to see it in time and they had the artist remove the long white
beard (!) he'd put on Camber before the cover went to print! (This per
conversation with KK at Armadacon in Plymouth, England in autumn
1988.)
Cheers!
Bernadette
Gry...@my-dejanews.com
kere...@ptd.net (Bernadette/Taiba) wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:18:22 GMT, I was distracted fromhousehold
> matters by mho...@scinet.co.santa-clara.ca.us who wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
> >LOL! Agreed. "And Mr. Art Editor, can you tell me WHY Darrell K. Sweet made
> >Kelson look so ridiculous on the cover of QfSC? He's supposed to be HANDSOME
> >dag nab it!"
>
> The only excuse I can think of is that he has been essentially starved
> (despite eating the bread and drinking the ale or wine from the tombs)
> for several weeks and that's how Darrell K. Sweet envisioned someone
> who had been through that sort of privation. Myself, I don't recall
> anyone mentioning whether Kelson was shaved in the ritual bath scene.
> So I expected him to have a moderate beard and moustache by the time
> they were discovered by the St. Kyriell folk. (My husband can grown a
> fairly thick beard of about 3/4 inch in three or four weeks) If he
> wasn't shaved he would look pretty shaggy.
Ye-es, I can see that possibility. However I don't think being starved would
have made Kelson look UGLY, just scrawny. And you're right, Bernadette, he
SHOULD have had a beard and mustache. KK says so shortly before D&K are
captured.
>
> But you are right.... Sweet's cover doesn't look anything like Kelson
> should. Where was his border braid? And where the heck did he get
> that crown thing from? Ridiculous! I'd have preferred to see a
> bare-chested, bearded Kelson sitting in a pool of the sleeping furs
> that covers the necessary parts yet lets us enjoy his body. <Smirk!>
<G!> Bernadette, am I to understand that this is one of the personalized book
covers you'd like me to make for you? ;)
>
> Although the trade paperback version of THE BISHOP'S HEIR that I have
> isn't really accurate as far as Kelson's appearance, it is a much more
> attractive cover than anything that Sweet did. Kelson is sitting on a
> throne wearing a blue robe with a scarlet cloak, resting his chin on
> one hand. He seems a bit burly and fuller of face than I would
> prefer, but he looks like a 18 or 19 year old. It's a rather
> attractive cover to my eyes, and much, much better than the Sweet
> covers.
Yes, I've seen that cover on a used pbk in a used bookstore, but was feeling
virtuous that day and didn't buy it. I think that particular edition might
have been from KK's English publisher when she had one. It IS a lot more
attractive than Sweet's work, but Kelson still isn't quite right. He looks
more how I imagine Conall, but much better than on the cover of QfSC.
>
> BTW, THoG cover that everyone hates could have been worse. Katherine
> got to see it in time and they had the artist remove the long white
> beard (!) he'd put on Camber before the cover went to print! (This per
> conversation with KK at Armadacon in Plymouth, England in autumn
> 1988.)
>
> Cheers!
> Bernadette
>
Now THERE's an artist who never read any of the books! ;)
Celia Grey
<someone (Steven?) wrote>
>
> >People still hire Sweet because despite the fact that everyone seems to
> >complain about his artwork (I was discussing his work with an author and
> >artist over dinner the other night), he still has one of the
> >consistantly highest sell-throughs of any artist in the sf/f field.
Bernadette wrote:
>
> I guess it's a case of people who know the authors will buy the books
> anyway, and that gives the false impression that Sweet's work is
> appealing to the customers, when the publishers look at the sales
> numbers.
But surely they must have a way to isolate the illustrator's
effect on sales? For example, if several different illustrators
have worked on one series, they could compare sales of those
books, when the author would be constant.
Despite the cliche about books and covers, I know I for one
decide whether to read something based partly on the cover.
Cover, blurb on back/inside of book, 1st page of the book, and
then random page inside. Covers do tend to reveal the general
tone of the book imho - you can often tell from it
whether the novel is serious, farcical, hack-and-slash, etc.
Vale,
Celia (who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
gunman holding off the police. ;)
Bernadette/Taiba
matters by Celia Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> who wrote:
SNIP
>Vale,
>Celia (who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
>the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
>gunman holding off the police. ;)
>
Gosh, Celia, were you in Washington DC last Friday? I was at the Air
and Space Museum with my twin sister and my daughter when that
horrible shooting happened. We had planned to walk Erin up to the
Capitol Building but got so interested in the Air and Space Museum
that we changed our plans. <shudder> God was definitely looking
after us that day!
Bernadette
So many books....
So little time to read....
Rebldavis
(Bernadette/Taiba) writes:
> I was at the Air
>and Space Museum with my twin sister and my daughter
Bernadette,
Did you go to the Star Wars exhibit? It's really cool!
(not that I'm making light of the bad, evil stuff that went on the day that you
were there.)
Rebecca
rebl...@aol.com
Bernadette/Taiba
rebl...@aol.com (Rebldavis) who wrote:
>In article <35bf253a...@news.ptdprolog.net>, kere...@ptd.net
>(Bernadette/Taiba) writes:
>
>> I was at the Air
>>and Space Museum with my twin sister and my daughter
>
>Bernadette,
>
>Did you go to the Star Wars exhibit? It's really cool!
Yes I did.... and I took 6 rolls of 800 speed film of all the costumes
and details. :) <Grin!>
Now if only we could get an exhibit like the one I attended at the
Royal Academy in London back in the 80's on the Art of the Middle
Ages... I saw actual books and illuminations that I'd only drooled
over in "coffee table books" and the tapestries and carvings.... I'd
better stop before the memory overwhelms me!
>
>(not that I'm making light of the bad, evil stuff that went on the day that you
>were there.)
>
I didn't think you were. <sad smile>
Gry...@my-dejanews.com
>
> So many books....
> So little time to read....
>
Thank goodness He was! What an awful thing to have happened. I only hope it
will open some Congressional eyes to the dangers of mentally unstable people
being able to get their hands on guns.
Will stop here before I mount the Soapbox. Glad you and your family are safe,
Bernadette!
Kyri817
Celia Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes:
>who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
>the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
>gunman holding off the police. ;)
Where did you get married and where DO you vacation????! =)
*wide eyed gaze*
Kyri
White Crow
> and Space Museum with my twin sister and my daughter when that
> horrible shooting happened. We had planned to walk Erin up to the
> Capitol Building but got so interested in the Air and Space Museum
> that we changed our plans. <shudder> God was definitely looking
> after us that day!
> Bernadette
ACK! I hadn't realized that you almost were there. Oh my. Me, on the
other hand, had no idea it had happened until my sister called me and
asked about the shooting, saying her friend had called her and asked about
me. (In that wonderful far-off people's fancy that b/c I work in DC and
live just outside it I'm in the middle of everything that happens, no
matter what it is or where it is). Me, I thought she was talking about
one that actually occured a few blocks from my house when a police officer
shot a guy who had stolen a car. It was a confusing conversation for a
few minutes until we realized we were talking about two different things.
Jennifer
--
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Celia Grey
> On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:52:50 -0500, I was distracted fromhousehold
> matters by Celia Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> who wrote:
>
> SNIP
> >Vale,
> >Celia (who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
> >the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
> >gunman holding off the police. ;)
> >
> Gosh, Celia, were you in Washington DC last Friday? I was at the Air
> and Space Museum with my twin sister and my daughter when that
> horrible shooting happened. We had planned to walk Erin up to the
> Capitol Building but got so interested in the Air and Space Museum
> that we changed our plans. <shudder> God was definitely looking
> after us that day!
No, it was a smaller skirmish in Durham, NC, with a happier
ending. (Though, why the law permits a mentally deranged man with
several prior armed felonies to simply walk in and buy a
rifle...) I'm very glad you were so lucky as to avoid the trouble
in the capitol! :)
Valete,
Celia
Celia Grey
> In article <Pine.A41.3.95.980729...@green.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
> Celia Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes:
>
> >who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
> >the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
> >gunman holding off the police. ;)
>
> Where did you get married and where DO you vacation????! =)
>
> *wide eyed gaze*
> Kyri
_I_ didn't get married, you big goofball. ;) It was my cousin.
(So as it happens, I'm still avail...er single. Should we
start the Deryni singles ads? J/K. ;)
Valete,
Celia
Donna B.
hour away!!!!!!!!
Celia Grey wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Bernadette/Taiba wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:52:50 -0500, I was distracted fromhousehold
> > matters by Celia Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> who wrote:
> >
> > SNIP
> > >Vale,
> > >Celia (who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
> > >the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
> > >gunman holding off the police. ;)
> > >
cas...@my-dejanews.com
Celia Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>
>
> But surely they must have a way to isolate the illustrator's
> effect on sales? For example, if several different illustrators
> have worked on one series, they could compare sales of those
> books, when the author would be constant.
Question: HAS *Del Rey* used other illustrators (besides DKS) for any of the
Deryni books?
Casey
> Despite the cliche about books and covers, I know I for one
> decide whether to read something based partly on the cover.
> Cover, blurb on back/inside of book, 1st page of the book, and
> then random page inside. Covers do tend to reveal the general
> tone of the book imho - you can often tell from it
> whether the novel is serious, farcical, hack-and-slash, etc.
>
> Vale,
> Celia (who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
> the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
> gunman holding off the police. ;)
>
>
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matt_c...@hotmail.com
"Donna B." <d0nn...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> CELIA! You were in Durham last week? Dadgum, girl, you were half an
> hour away!!!!!!!!
This in no way is meant to make fun of Southerners, with whom I have become
very fond, but just what does Dadgum mean? I have always wondered.
Thx, Matt
--
Matt Cushing
Programmer and Fulltime husband and Daddy
Kyri817
Grey <cg...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes:
>> >who had a pleasant vacation, with a nice little trip to
>> >the beach, interesting wedding, and near brush with an armed
>> >gunman holding off the police. ;)
>_I_ didn't get married, you big goofball. ;) It was my cousin.
>(So as it happens, I'm still avail...er single. Should we
>start the Deryni singles ads? J/K. ;)
>Valete, Celia
Well it sounded like you got married.... *hmpf*
Mind you an unusual one from the description... ;)
Kyri
Donna B.
"Now just a doggone minute!"
:)
Donna B. in Raleigh, NC
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