Why do so many people like weaveworld best???
David
Why do so many people like weaveworld best? It seemed to be favorite
in a thread just before christmas.
It was good up until the destruction of the fugue and then it just
lost it. I felt it was almost like trying to dig up another story
with scourge, then quickly give the faery tale book some purpose. The
timing was wrong, it peaked too early, then trailed out and in the
last two pages suddenly everything got better.
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the magdelene), shadrac and his coat, the rake, and the rest still lurk inb
the depths of my head. the literary style may be lacking but the fact that
these characters are still in my head after about ten years has to say
something about the book. and its not even my favorite (imajica is) but i
can see how it could be.
David wrote in message <36930fd9...@news.cc.strath.ac.uk>...
Chris J. P.
Why do so many people like weaveworld best? It seemed to be favorite in a
thread just before christmas.
It was good up until the destruction of the fugue and then it just lost it.
I felt it was almost like trying to dig up another story with scourge, then
quickly give the faery tale book some purpose. The timing was wrong, it
peaked too early, then trailed out and in the last two pages suddenly
everything got better.
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David:
You actually make an interesting point here. I agreed with after the 1st
time I read Weaveworld in 1987. But I re-read it again two yeaes later and
the story mad more sense. Now I make a habit of reading it again around the
beginning of May. If you haven't read it mpore than once go back and read
the book again and see if your opinion changes.
Anyone else have a similar experience with Weaveworld?
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Shane Speck
> David wrote:
> Why do so many people like weaveworld best? It seemed to be favorite in a
> thread just before christmas.
>
> It was good up until the destruction of the fugue and then it just lost it.
> I felt it was almost like trying to dig up another story with scourge, then
> quickly give the faery tale book some purpose. The timing was wrong, it
> peaked too early, then trailed out and in the last two pages suddenly
> everything got better.
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> David:
> You actually make an interesting point here. I agreed with after the 1st
> time I read Weaveworld in 1987. But I re-read it again two yeaes later and
> the story mad more sense. Now I make a habit of reading it again around the
> beginning of May. If you haven't read it mpore than once go back and read
> the book again and see if your opinion changes.
>
> Anyone else have a similar experience with Weaveworld?
When I first read Weaveworld I lost it completely in the middle and left
it for a few weeks before I picked it up again. By the end of the book I
was just wanting to get it finished, although it picked up again at the
end when Shadwell found the Scourge.
I'm just re-reading it now, and it's so much better this time; perhaps
it takes a second reading to get the best from it.
I was struck, actually, by the similar themes in Weaveworld and Cabal.
They were written fairly close together, I believe, or at least
published subsequently, and there is an underlying theme running through
them, namely that the law is actually the enemy. I don't think this
fairly anarchistic theme pops up anywhere else, does it?
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Colin Neilson
>You actually make an interesting point here. I agreed with after the 1st
>time I read Weaveworld in 1987. But I re-read it again two yeaes later and
>the story mad more sense. Now I make a habit of reading it again around the
>beginning of May. If you haven't read it mpore than once go back and read
>the book again and see if your opinion changes.
>
>Anyone else have a similar experience with Weaveworld?
Personally, I thought it got a bit dull in the middle, but not
overwhelmingly so. I thought the images of Shadwell's coat pulling
another Scourge so that the original could have something to keep it
company were brilliant (after all, if you were a singular immortal
being, what would you want more than anything else?) Even the first
time I read it I enjoyed it immensely.
Greedo
of writing no-no's in the book and at times it seems over ambitious, but that
makes it all the more fascinating. The imagination is all there, if the craft
is only 95% there.
-dj
the evils wrote:
> ihaven't read it in ages but images of immacolta, her sisters (the hag and
> the magdelene), shadrac and his coat, the rake, and the rest still lurk inb
> the depths of my head. the literary style may be lacking but the fact that
> these characters are still in my head after about ten years has to say
> something about the book. and its not even my favorite (imajica is) but i
> can see how it could be.
>
> David wrote in message <36930fd9...@news.cc.strath.ac.uk>...
> |
> |
Shane Speck
> It has the rawness of a writer in the learning process - Barker comits a
> couple of writing no-no's in the book and at times it seems over
> ambitious, but that
'No-No's? In what way?
Greedo
physically - very corny.
I've just been reading it and he occasionally seems indulgent and unsure of
himself. It's hard to pinpoint exact things, but it seems a bit rougher than
his more recent stuff. (it was after all a very ambitious novel especially
for someone's second novel)
-dj
Leesa
wrote::
:Things like characters looking in a mirror as a way to describe them
:physically - very corny.
:
See your own comment below for an explanation on this--it's his
*second* novel, for chrissakes.
:I've just been reading it and he occasionally seems indulgent and unsure of
:himself.
I have a hard time finding anywhere where he is indulgent. Unsure of
himself? Occasionally, in the middle part, I found the book to be a
bit slow, and he didn't seem to know where he was going at times.
However, indulgent is one I have a hard time with.
:It's hard to pinpoint exact things, but it seems a bit rougher than
:his more recent stuff. (it was after all a very ambitious novel especially
:for someone's second novel)
Exactly. It's his second novel, that's why it is rougher. However,
I personally think that it is more descriptive than most of his other
works, and the plot was ingenious. Weaveworld was the first Barker
novel I read, and perhaps I have the "first exposure prejudice", but I
still think it is one of his best. It has the elements of a work that
took a good deal of time. I don't think he takes that much time
writing his novels nowadays.
Just my $0.02.
Leesa
:-dj
Pally
through. I don't know, to me it seemed like a child's fantasy book. (I'll
probably regret saying that)
I prefer The Great and Secret Show (even if laid on a little thick) or
Imajica.
In it's defence, Weaveworld was the last Barker I read.
Pally
(Dead as that squirrel...)
David James Vairinhos
I've ever read, (The Damnation Game remains my favourite) but still good.
Who else liked "The Last Illusion" better than the movie adaptation, "Lord
Of Illusions"? The movie sucked in comparison...Has nyone seen "Gods And
Monsters"? What story is that based on, anyway? Last, but not least, has
anyone read "Galilee"? I picked it up, but it's pretty fuckin' strange...
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horror movies. its the story of him in his later years and of a friendship
that develops between he and his gardener. it was only produced by clive
barker (as much as I can tell from what I've read online) but was written
and directed by the guy who did candyman 2. its up for a lot of awards and i
will inevitably see it but don't go into it expecting a barker movie.
LDLac
his life and dealing with homosexuality before it was okay to say so.
David James Vairinhos wrote in message ...
Eggblue
the evils wrote in message <7a54ni$h...@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com>...
>Gods and Monsters is the story of James(?) Whale who was a gay brit who did
>horror movies. its the story of him in his later years and of a friendship
>that develops between he and his gardener. it was only produced by clive
>barker (as much as I can tell from what I've read online) but was written
>and directed by the guy who did candyman 2
It was originally based on a book by the fabulous Christopher Bram called
"Father of Frankenstein." The book and the movie are wonderful. I am
pissed that the movie did not get nominated for an Oscar but I am definitely
not surprised...
eggblue
Colin Neilson
<s77...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote:
>Actually, I thought "WeaveWorld" was pretty good. Not the best C.B. book
>I've ever read, (The Damnation Game remains my favourite) but still good.
>Who else liked "The Last Illusion" better than the movie adaptation, "Lord
>Of Illusions"? The movie sucked in comparison...Has nyone seen "Gods And
>Monsters"? What story is that based on, anyway? Last, but not least, has
>anyone read "Galilee"? I picked it up, but it's pretty fuckin' strange...
The movie Lord of Illusions was nothing like the story. I was really
looking forward to the movie since I thought it was going to be an
adaptation. What a disappointment. On the other hand, as an original
work, the movie wasn't bad. It just wasn't a movie version of "The
Last Illusion".
AndrewAvramenko
its head half way through blew my mind. I.m just about to start reading
Galilee.
On the films I thought Hellraise 2 was better than the first, that
Nightbread was alright but they missed a whole section of the story out and
why did they have to move the Candyman story from Liverpool to LA? Money
probably.
Colin Neilson wrote in message <36c8d33...@nntp.telusplanet.net>...
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i took monday off work went downtown saw it (in a sold-out theater at 2:30
no less) and thought it was pretty damn cool. not a horror flick but
definitely worth a watch. ian mckellan(?), the guy who played whale, was
excellent. and brendan frasier played a dumb gardener rather well. it has
kevin j oconnor (swann in lord of illusions) which completely surprised me
as i had never heard it mentioned. granted its a bit role but i figured it
worth mentioning here. all in all its worth seeing.
and...@mindspring.com
David James Vairinhos wrote in message ...
>I've ever read, (The Damnation Game remains my favourite) but still good.
>Who else liked "The Last Illusion" better than the movie adaptation, "Lord
>Of Illusions"? The movie sucked in comparison...Has nyone seen "Gods And
>Monsters"? What story is that based on, anyway? Last, but not least, has
>anyone read "Galilee"? I picked it up, but it's pretty fuckin' strange...
>
book. I finally found a copy of "The Hellbound Heart" (the only CB book I
hadn't read), and, based on previous experience, do not want to see
"Hellraiser."
I liked "WeaveWorld" because of the imagery, even if it was, yes, a bit
flowery. My absolute favorite was "Imajica"...absolutely blew me away on
several levels! I made my husband read it, and now he wishes they'd make a
movie of it (not possible, I think -- way too involved). "Sacrament" was
really good on a basic human level -- I think CB's least fantasy/horror
book. And "Galilee" was just strange, and not always good strange. I think
a lot of it was contrived, and I felt kind of cheated when I finished it.
Oh well.
Glad to have found this NG!
Sheri
Qwoteman
>Monsters"? What story is that based on, anyway?
I haven't seen it, but I want to. It's not based on anything C.B. wrote. It's
about James Whale, who directed the original Frankenstein.
Whale was openly gay at a time when it was evil taboo. It basically talks about
his life and such.
Won a Golden Globe and nominated for 3 Oscars...not too shabby.
C.B. Exec. Produced it.
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|several levels! I made my husband read it, and now he wishes they'd make a
|movie of it (not possible, I think -- way too involved).
I've always thought that Imajica would make an excellent HBO or Showtime
miniseries. That way you get 6 hours or so to tell the story in over a few
nights and you don't have to deal with broadcast television deciding that
Pie o Pah is too sensual a character for the mainstream public. It would
still take a tremendous budget to cover effects (Tishalulle alone would take
some doing, not to mention what would be involved in recreating the first
dominion) and so its money making potential would be in question. And I
think that is probably the biggest stumbling block.