Sammerthwaite- conceptual art and zulus
ROBBIE
..And soon the black thunder from the skies
Did scream down on terrible cries
The sausage fingered krauts released their bombs.
Like their ghostly brothers buried on the Somme,
They died as Kipling said, 'cos their fathers lied
All those destroyed waking dreams
The bone and blood of service teams
They return each Novembertime, to haunt you,
And say 'We would have like to have lived, too.'
Tell that to the Marines.
Radio on. Woman's Hour again. Stress counselling for dogs; time for a
cigarette. Sammerthwaite, with mild erection, lights a cigarette.
"Oh March gloom." he said through smoke. The bad lord Byron, stares
imperiously east from a torn postcard on the wall. It had been an egg
breakfast, then someone from the gas board. A fat man, appalled by
Sammerthwaite's obvious eccentricity, gurned at him through the opening.
"Read your meter?"
"If you must."
Afterwards, when Sammerthwaite closed the door behind the man, he walked
into the living room and pulled the nets back, watching the progress of the
portly gas board operative up the street.
"Wanker," growled Sammerthwaite. Then he saw Mrs Peek.
He slipped his hand inside his trousers and tugged a bit. Mrs Peek; forties,
good legs and a great arse. Twenty years younger than him; still, that's the
way of it.
Good Morning, allow me, Mrs Peek
To kiss your tits and fondle your cheek
I'm working hard at deathless poesy
And your backside's so fat and rosy
He sat on his fourth hand settee, produced his penis through the zip slash
in the brown nylon and had a wank. Fast and straight, blocking out the
radio, which was saying, distantly ".32 year old lesbian conceptual artist,
Rachel Penry, will construct instant art today in..."
Mrs Peek's arse cheeks were spread apart. No niceties here this morning, he
was inside and reaming. His lips parted in concentration. His head and body
quivered.
Now the jissom makes its desperate crawl
To the top of the poet's totem pole
Knees and arms flapping and small rasping exhalations escaping his mouth,
Sammerthwaite ejaculates. It was what he called a young explosion. Roared
forth, instead of the usual dismal trickle onto the settee's upholstery.
Mrs Peek was good like that.
And erotic concentration
Brings forth the sauce of creation.
Back at the typewriter.
The Hitler gang, a bunch of freaks
Destroyed Thomas Mann and such antiques
As Mother Europe managed to collect
Before the days of Bertoltd Brecht
"Fuck this," Sammerthwaite says, standing up and whirling his raincoat like
a cape, "out. Let's out."
On the groaning, lurchin, trudging bus- a hated thing- Sammerthwaite stared
out at the high street, awash in March rain. Three black boys got on the bus
and giggled at Sammerthwaite's wig.
Zulu braves on a London omnibus?
What's more they mock and laugh at us
Do they know some of us are still miffed
About Ishandwhana and Rorke's Drift?
Pub first. O'Rourke offers but Sammerthwaite had a cheque from the
government.
"Whiskey, I think and pint of Guinness,"
The fruit machines bonged and flashed.
Whore machines strut your stuff
Try for the attention of the rough
And ready sinning cunts
Who waste their money on futile punts
O'Rourke, crowned today with the great lost symbol of the Irish builder at
large in London: a bowler hat, spoke, head tilted back.
"And so, McSammerthwaite, you on de piss?"
"Money today, no intestinal washout."
And so on and so forth for three or four rounds.
Still he had the umbrella from the park. He walked through the rain with it
folded under his arm, a kind of military appendage; his wig blew around and
his slippers felt damp.
In the park, a small crowd; TV camera, a young woman on top of a kind of
stage. Next to her a young man in a wheel chair, with his leg in plaster.
She holds an oxyacetylene torch. Sammerthwaite moved closer through the
soaking grass.
"Art is shit," the girl, dressed in a boiler suit, was shouting, "human
shit. Human waste; outpourings refined."
She produces some paperback books and sets them alight.
Sammerthwaite saw that the small crowd consisted of art students and other
riff raff. He cut through them, showing his dead black tooth and breathing
booze and tooth decay into their faces.
"Let me up onto the stage," he shouted. A man, standing near the TV camera,
wearing headphones, made a gesture towards Sammerthwaite and seconds later
he was being manhandled through the crowd by a policeman.
"Now, go away. You're drunk. Come back, and I'll pinch you."
Sammerthwaite moved across to his bench by the lake. He took a quarter
bottle of gin from his inside pocket and had a small bib.
The lunatics commandeer the asylum
Sappho wields a torch
She renounces books and fries them
I must return to my porch
Back at the typewriter and boozy- the day shut down and out. Sammerthwaite
has a turd forming but he won't go to the toilet until he's finished this
stanza:
The idea was to let and live
We're a broad church, with a tall steeple
And wasn't it Mann who came back with:
Those who first burn books, end up killing people
And then Sammerthwaite celebrated with a pie from a can, and wondered what
Mrs Peek's telephone number was.
--
Overheard......inside the music business
http://www.geocities.com/overhearduk/INDEX.htm
High Spirits in the Countercultural Frat-House- A Secret History of Jim
Morrison
http://www.geocities.com/jimmozz/index.html.htm
ROBBIE tells it like it is.......
http://www.geocities.com/situationeeste/index.html
Ron Sparks
You pasted the ENTIRE original message for a 13-character response? Dear
God, man! Have you never learned the rules of newsgroup etiquette?
Please, bone up on it. You should NEVER quote a message in its entirety.
Only copy the pieces needed to make your point and then move on. You waste
my valuable time, and everyone else in this group, when you do otherwise.
Shows you to be a novice as well.
Regards,
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
Caleb Cunningham
"Ron Sparks" wrote:
:
: Have you never learned the rules of newsgroup etiquette?
there's no netiquette here
STEPHAN I. DULKA
Who are you to tell people what to quote? "Etiquette?" What are you rambling
on about? Your time is not all that valuable. Methinks that you should join
a knitting 'group' or alt.books.pantywaists.chumps.
YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!
By the way, in order to make everything perfectly clear, I have appended the
ENTIRE original message because it is relevant to the point that I am
making. I've given this matter considerable thought, and yes, the ENTIRE
message MUST be included, otherwise my point might be misunderstood. As a
guide to etiquette I have used Maimonides' "Guide to the Perplexed", "The
Babylonian Talmud" (67 volume condensed edition), the collected works of
Charles Bukowski, and the collected recipes of Julia Child. I repeat, I was
OBLIGED to include the ENTIRE ORIGINAL MESSAGE, otherwise my 'post' would be
incomprehensible (which it may be anyway).
PUFF
===================
Ron Sparks <rsp...@gate.net> wrote in message
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================================================
>ROBBIE (poolhal...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: ..And soon the black thunder from the skies
: Back at the typewriter.
9.5 out of 10
Peter Ceresole
"STEPHAN I. DULKA" <pupe...@sda.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>By the way, in order to make everything perfectly clear, I have appended the
>ENTIRE original message because it is relevant to the point that I am
>making.
Please take your stupid and antisocial behaviour elsewhere.
--
Peter
JZ
> 9.5 out of 10You pasted the ENTIRE original message for a 13-character response? Dear
God, man! Have you never learned the rules of newsgroup etiquette?
Please, bone up on it.
You should NEVER quote a message in its entirety.
Only copy the pieces needed to make your point and then move on.
Shows you to be a novice as well.
JZ
>
> Please take your stupid and antisocial behaviour elsewhere.
>
Dont get your panties in a bunch, Butch.
JZ
ROBBIE
Peter Casserole <pe...@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:B6661B9A...@cara.demon.co.uk...
Oi! This is the only ng that isn't prissy. So don't try and make it prissy,
Casserole.
>
> --
> Peter
Ron Sparks
> Uhhhh, Sparkie...I CHOSE to post the whole fucking thing...'cause I liked
it
> so much.
Your personal approval or liking of his work has, literally, nothing to do
with the proper way to post messages in a newsgroup. I personally like "War
and Peace" but I would never quote an entire chapter to make a point about
it.
> If you had a brain in that head of yours, equipping your mouth with
> something intelligent to say, you would notice that I edit posts 80% or
more
> of the time.
I don't recalling having commented on any post of yours other than this one.
It has no bearing here. However, I have taken the time to notice two of
your posts now, including your reply to me. Both of them needlessly quoted
the entire original message. That's an average of 100% for not editing
posts. So, not only do you have poor etiquette - you are a liar as well.
> Shows you to be an imbecile!!!
I don't think you need to concern yourself with my mental faculties; it's
obvious who the intelligent person is in this conversation. A little clue
for the self-deluded - it isn't you.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
STEPHAN I. DULKA
behind a monitor. Join a spelling bee or something.
This is a Bukowski newsgroup. If you can't take it then FUCK OFF back to
your precious BEATS, those worthless bunch of phony self-aggrandizing
MEWERS!
PUFF
=============
Peter Ceresole <pe...@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:B6661B9A...@cara.demon.co.uk...
ROBBIE
STEPHAN I. DULKA <pupe...@sda.att.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:91qafv$fm8$1...@newsflood.tokyo.att.ne.jp...
> No. You leave. You can't take a ribbing and therefore you don't belong
> behind a monitor. Join a spelling bee or something.
>
> This is a Bukowski newsgroup. If you can't take it then FUCK OFF back to
> your precious BEATS, those worthless bunch of phony self-aggrandizing
> MEWERS!
>
Hear Hear!
ROBBIE
> Ron Sparks (rsp...@gate.net) wrote:
> : > 9.5 out of 10
Fuck off Ron, you just don't get it do you?
>
> : You pasted the ENTIRE original message for a 13-character response?
> Uhhhh, Sparkie...I CHOSE to post the whole fucking thing...'cause I liked
it
> so much. If you had a brain in that head of yours, equipping your mouth
with
> something intelligent to say, you would notice that I edit posts 80% or
more
> of the time. Shows you to be an imbecile!!!
>
> goog...@ripco.com
>
ROBBIE
Dadada dididid darnanaanana
Fuck off Roooon Fuck offf Ron!
Fuck offf Ron Fuck offf Ron Fuck off Roooooon
Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in message
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> Ron Sparks (rsp...@gate.net) wrote:
> : > 9.5 out of 10
Peter Ceresole
"STEPHAN I. DULKA" <pupe...@sda.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>This is a Bukowski newsgroup. If you can't take it then FUCK OFF back to
>your precious BEATS, those worthless bunch of phony self-aggrandizing
>MEWERS!
No it's not; it's crossposted to several groups.
I guess because you think you're just posting in a Bukowski newsgroup, you
want to act rough and tough, sound like the old man himself. The snag is
that he got away with it because he had talent. You don't.
But please don't crosspost into groups frequented by grown-ups. They're way
out of your league.
Followups set.
--
Peter
Ron Sparks
do
> : with the proper way to post messages in a newsgroup. I personally like
"War
> : and Peace" but I would never quote an entire chapter to make a point
about
> : it.
>
Quite the opposite really. It means that I think before I type and can
understand context well enough to pick an appropriate quote. Apparently,
this concept is not something you subscribe to.
Fine. I have a number of annoying little twits like you in my filter.
You've just earned yourself a place in my filter list. I will no longer see
nor respond to your childish posts.
> Here's a clue for you: Kiss my ___ !!!
> (It's a noun, with three letters, the same thing you have your finger in
now)
You get a thrill out of cursing, little boy? Cursing is the hallmark of
ineffectual minds. You have no point to make, yet you are angry and
emotional - so you resort to profanity. You're a joke. A weak,
ineffectual, joke. Go away kid, you bother me.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
Ron Sparks
>
> Fuck off Roooon Fuck offf Ron!
> Fuck offf Ron Fuck offf Ron Fuck off Roooooon
Another child who get cheap thrills from profanity. You waste bandwidth and
consume oxygen that should be used for intelligent people. Welcome to my
filter, bonehead.
Ron Sparks
> > : > 9.5 out of 10
>
> Fuck off Ron, you just don't get it do you?
Get what? And why are YOU upset that I commented to Google? I have
provided no critique of your or your writing. I have offered no opinions
regarding your work, skill, or style.
Another teenager with errant emotions and little intelligence. Grow up and
start thinking for yourself. Emotional responses stop being effective and
cute past the age of five, nimrod.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
Edward J. Gordon
>You pasted the ENTIRE original message for a 13-character response? Dear
>God, man! Have you never learned the rules of newsgroup etiquette?
>
--
Edward J. Gordon
Edw...@XYSTUM.com
STEPHAN I. DULKA
that the Goof's daddy gives him every week for being such a great "owner of
a corporation" (which daddy gave to him in the first place!)
PUFF
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Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in message
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> JZ (TheP...@Home.com) wrote:
>
> : --------------E16C8B5852A1019766FA578B
> : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> : Ron Sparks wrote:
>
> : > > 9.5 out of 10
> : >
> : > You pasted the ENTIRE original message for a 13-character response?
Dear
> : > God, man! Have you never learned the rules of newsgroup etiquette?
>
> : Googolplex is a troll.
>
> ...writes the biggest, CROSS-POSTING TROLL of them all, and Cowardly Liar
to
> boot!!!
>
> : >
> : > Please, bone up on it.
>
> : hed rather be boned down.
>
> You take the bone very well, Joansey-TROLL!!!
>
> : > You should NEVER quote a message in its entirety.
> : > Only copy the pieces needed to make your point and then move on.
>
> : he has no point to make because he's a troll
>
> Transference, transference...Joansey-TROLL!!!
>
> : > Shows you to be a novice as well.
>
> : He'll show what a professional troll and cocksucker he is given a
nickel. this
> : googolplex is a fucking asshole Troll thats been a blemish here for
years now.
>
> Just the other way around, cocksucker!!! Any fool can just count the
names of
> those who initiate threads, to see you in your shitty glory; CROSS-POSTING
and
> TROLLING NewsGroups!!!
>
>
goog...@ripco.com
>
STEPHAN I. DULKA
And, you're a BEAT! In the year 2000! That shit is passé, you dumb fuck. The
BEATS have been exposed for the dorks that they are. They are
laughingstocks. Bukowski ridiculed them. He wrote that they were the biggest
literary frauds in the UNIVERSE. And so are you, chump!!!
PUFF
=================================================
Peter Ceresole (also known as "GIRASOLE SENZA ONORE")
<pe...@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > "STEPHAN I. DULKA"
JZ
>
>
> Butt...your thinking seems to be on the order of a 2-year old's...If your
> "sample" 2 of my posts forms your conclusions; not forgetting that YOU are
> CROSS-POSTING your verbose crap...contradicting your expressed intentions.
> Butt, that's an old ploy for assholes and TROLLS;
>
what a fucking insane person you are.
what you acuse him of you do yourself with your reply.
JZ
JZ
> Sung to the tune of a Souza march:
>
> Dadada dididid darnanaanana
>
> Fuck off Roooon Fuck offf Ron!
> Fuck offf Ron Fuck offf Ron Fuck off Roooooon
>
10-10
JZ
STEPHAN I. DULKA
SANCTION or something. It isn't. It's just a "newsgroup" feature that you
happen to have. So what?
GO FUCK YOURSELF!
PUFF
===============
Ron Sparks <r...@varsitybooks.com> wrote in message
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Edward J. Gordon
<poolhal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sung to the tune of a Souza march:
>
>Dadada dididid darnanaanana
>
>Fuck off Roooon Fuck offf Ron!
>Fuck offf Ron Fuck offf Ron Fuck off Roooooon
Gentlemen, gentlemen! The idea of flaming is to make it creative and
try to keep it on topic. My god, but I've created some monsters in
this newsgroup.
I must admit, Ronny boy goes on a bit about his filter. I used to
know people who constantly went on about adding people to filters in
other newsgroups, and I always wondered if eventually they got down to
the point where there was no one left to talk to.
Having said that, what the f... is a Souza march? If you're going to
make up a song about someone, using a lot of swear words, you can't
then be a geek and put it to the tune of some song only prep school
effeminates would know. Good god.
Ron Sparks
> SANCTION or something. It isn't. It's just a "newsgroup" feature that you
> happen to have. So what?
>
> GO FUCK YOURSELF!
Bing. Another loser joins the "Sparks Filter-Club".
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
BIG ONE
"Ron Sparks" <rsp...@gate.net> wrote:
> Bing. Another loser joins the "Sparks Filter-Club".
shut the frig up & join mine
<PLONK>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Edward J. Gordon
F... Off and then everyone put everyone on their filter and that will
pretty much dry this NG up. Except for me that is. I intend to keep
talking to myself, because, frankly, that's the conversation that I
find the most intelligent and enjoyable.
THE TRUTH
PUFF
============
Edward J. Gordon <edw...@xystum.com> wrote in message
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JZ
> There's that word again - "transference". Probably a reference to the moolah
> that the Goof's daddy gives him every week for being such a great "owner of
> a corporation" (which daddy gave to him in the first place!)
>
> PUFF
>
the only thing "transferring" is loads of spunk from strangers cocks to 2 of
googa's orifices.
JZ
ps, he owns a light bulb store.
JZ
> JZ (TheP...@Home.com) wrote:
> The obsessive insane one (and Coward) is you, Bitch. You just can't help
> yourself when another opportunity to CROSS-POST comes around.
JZ
> everyone put everyone on their filter and that will
> pretty much dry this NG up. Except for me that is. I intend to keep
> talking to myself, because, frankly, that's the conversation that I
> find the most intelligent and enjoyable.
>
> Edward J. Gordon
>
10 out of 10.
JZ
ps. you should meet googolplex, you would make a great couple.
JZ
> f...
>
your allright ed.
one question.
what the fuck is f.... ?
be a man or begone form the bukowski ng!
JZ
JZ
>
>
> every NG has some Anal-Compulsive Twit that acts as though his
> kill-filter is the Death-Star or something..
and your the opposite, a black hole that sucks everything.
JZ
THE TRUTH
it's called.
PUFF
===================
Peter Ceresole <pe...@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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THE TRUTH
PUFF
========
Ron Sparks <rsp...@gate.net> wrote in message
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THE TRUTH
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
PUFF
==============
Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in message
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> JZ (ThePr...@Home.com) wrote:
> Coming from a compulsive LIAR...I guess I'm clearly vindicated!!!
> Butt, let's say I was insane; what does that make you for obsessively
fucking
> with me...a real insane Cowardly Creep I'd say!!! Blow me,
Joansey-TROLL!!!
> (along with all the rest!!!)
>
> goog...@ripco.com
>
THE TRUTH
Way off Goog, way, way off. Powell has nothing to do with this. He's part of
the nigger/black discussion, not the back/alley/Goog obsession.
PUFF
========
Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in message
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> JZ (ThePr...@Home.com) wrote:
> The Blackest hole is your mouth in a pitch-dark alley, serviced by Colin
> Powell!!!
>
>
goog...@ripco.com
Pizza
<91pe63$5j$1...@newsflood.tokyo.att.ne.jp>:
>Hello Sparks old boy,
>
>Who are you to tell people what to quote? "Etiquette?" What are you
>rambling on about? Your time is not all that valuable. Methinks that you
>should join a knitting 'group' or alt.books.pantywaists.chumps.
>
>YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!!!!!
Let me correct you on that. England.writing has taken over from
alt.books.pantywaists.chumps. That group is heavily into etiquette. Yeah,
though they whinge about etiquette like Sparks, they haven't the decency to
offer any advice on someone's hard work. Sammerthwaite's in
england.writing too, but they completely ignored it.
And knitting? It would fun compared to england.writing.
When I get over the indignation of that poxy newsgroup, I'll get into
commenting on the virtues of Sammerthwaite.
Pizza (etiquette, damn it? eat this.)
ROBBIE
Edward J. Gordon <edw...@xystum.com> wrote in message
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THE TRUTH
Bwahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!
PUFF
=====
Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:921ih2$o7m$5...@gail.ripco.com...
> THE TRUTH (pupe...@sda.att.ne.jp) wrote:
> : Hey, Goog. Where do I live?????
>
> : hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>
> : PUFFING-PETER
>
> In the Alley, TROLL...and in your pathetic Virtual NG-Trashing life!!!
>
> goog...@ripco.com
Googolplex
: Heh, heh, where's the ally located?
: Bwahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahaha!!!
: PUFFING-PETER
Wherever in the World a Crowd is lining up with nickels jingling in their
pockets (you'll be at the "HEAD" of it!!!)
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
Blow me, CHICKA-DICKA!!!
goog...@ripco.com
Edward J. Gordon
Your title doesn't even fit in the "subject" space of most
newsreaders, and you're writing about Ron while responding to me.
"Wank." I lived in England for eight years. Only poe whitetrash used
such terminology. You're a disgrace.
You're a pathetic, pasty-white brit. Totally incapable of winning at
anything you do. Constantly losing and backing losers. You're weak,
and you're stupid, and you probably fill your days working at a
sheppard's pie factory and sniffing aerosols. Poolhallrichard pretty
much says it all, doesn't it "robbie"? Jesus, I wish I had a dime for
every coucil house slut I stole from one of you losers while you
wasted your lives getting pissed and shooting pool for a pound a game.
God you sicken me on principle.
Hey, poolhall, how many days in a row do you wear your dirty one and
only jumper to the pool hall? What dole-sucking, rotting teeth,
pregnant cow do you syphon your poolhall money from. Do you realize
I'm actually dissing you while my wife has me read an article from the
daily newspaper? That's how easy it is to put you down. All I have
to do is type words and it puts you down.
Quit wasting your time in this newsgroup, and for God's sake, pay for
your e-mail service you dive bar five foot six yob. To think, given a
shot of booze and a resteraunt meal, and any woman you got is mine.
Now, don't you have a club to get thrown out of, or something? Don't
go away drunk and stumbling with your used pool cue and the sent of
urine evaporating off your pant legs--just go away.
Ron Sparks
> newsreaders, and you're writing about Ron while responding to me.
> "Wank." I lived in England for eight years. Only poe whitetrash used
> such terminology. You're a disgrace.
You're wasting your virtual breath Mr. Gordon. What we have here is just
another angry white boy who thinks his intolerant views make him
interesting. I bet he even thinks he's artisitic in his own way as he
feebly attempts to put his words to music on some pathetic excuse for a
guitar. (like wannabe writers, I find wannabe guitarists just as pathetic)
Leave him his delusions. I would welcome a rational discussion with him. I
find people who don't wallow in political correctness refreshing. Let me
rephrase, I find INTELLIGENT people who don't wallow in political
correctness refreshing.
If our little "I-still-think-cursing-makes-me-a-rebel" Robbie ever shows a
non-emotional argument of any merit - I would be happy to discuss it with
him. Until then - he's just another twit to be ignored. One of the
ignorant, uneducated, uninteresting masses that diminishes the value of the
entire Internet.
Happy Holidays,
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
JZ
> (like wannabe writers, I find wannabe guitarists just as pathetic)
>
> Leave him his delusions.
>
> One of the
> ignorant, uneducated, uninteresting masses that diminishes the value of the
> entire Internet.
>
I visited your web site. Talk about wannabees, Your writing sucks baby.
shit even my arch enemy googolplex writes better shit than you.
An interactive fiction website?
your a fucking joke and so's your site you talentless fuck
Its funny you rag on the fuckin english hippie when your a fuckin lame ass sci
fi scribbler.
(Ron to self "why aren't I published? Don't they recognize I/m a great sci fi
writer, up there
with rodenberry, and the rest..)
Why arent you published?
cuz you suck.
you will never be published in or by anything respectable or acceptable.
your self proclaimed poetry is shit.
you wouldnt know poetry if it sucked your dick
and speaking of sucking dick, you should suck Bill S.
how dare you use the name shakespeare in decribing one of
your turds you scribbled.That was a dick sucking move if ever Ive seen one.
Quit fucking crossposting over here at Bukowski, you uppity, talentless,
unoriginal,
ignorant, uneducated, uninteresting wannabee that diminishes the value of the
entire Internet and world.
JZ
Ron Sparks
Thanks for visiting.
> Talk about wannabees, Your writing sucks baby.
> shit even my arch enemy googolplex writes better shit than you.
I doubt that. But if he does - then good for him. I, for one, don't need
to compare myself to other writers in a newsgroup. I hope he is a great
writer - there are far too few good writers anywhere.
> An interactive fiction website?
Indeed. One that works quite well.
> your a fucking joke and so's your site you talentless fuck
Sorry you feel that way. There's always people like yourself who just don't
agree with what I do. It's your right and perogative. At least you have an
opinion - which is more than most people I meet online.
> Its funny you rag on the fuckin english hippie when your a fuckin lame ass
sci
> fi scribbler.
What's so funny about it? Is there some parallel I'm missing? As for your
view on science fiction; that is, of course, your view to hold onto. I, for
one, don't much care for romance novels - but I do not exclude the entire
genre. There are some romances novels that are very well written, even if
most of the subject matter disagrees with me. If you don't like my writing,
I would hope you keep an open mind to the genre, at least.
> Why arent you published?
I am, thank you very much.
> you will never be published in or by anything respectable or acceptable.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Only time will tell. If your apparent hatred of me
strong enough so that you'll keep your eyes on my career to find out?
> your self proclaimed poetry is shit.
> you wouldnt know poetry if it sucked your dick
I beg to differ. Perhaps you don't like my poetry. That is, again, your
right. If you read my sonnets, you'll notice that I use iambic pentameter,
proper rhyme scheme, imagery, and a myriad of other accepted poetic
conventions. You see, I do know poetry. If you did not see those elements
in my poetry, I would hazzard a guess that either YOU don't know poetry or
you're just hell-bent of attacking, regardless of weather or not you are
right.
> how dare you use the name shakespeare in decribing one of
> your turds you scribbled.
Because, if you know your sonnets, there are two types; the Shakesperian and
the Italian (or Petrarchian). They both have definite conventions that must
be followed to fit that style. My sonnets online happen to follow the
Shakesperian convention. Again, anyone who knows his poetry should know
this. Do you know this? Or did you just learn something new?
> That was a dick sucking move if ever Ive seen one.
You drop a lot of phallic references in your posts. Perhaps you're trying
to tell the world something. It's not my place to guess, but something is
definitely amiss.
> Quit fucking crossposting over here at Bukowski, you uppity, talentless,
> unoriginal,
> ignorant, uneducated, uninteresting wannabee that diminishes the value of
the
> entire Internet and world.
Then quit cross-posting your mindless dribble in alt.creative.writing.
On another note - you've gone to great pains to attempt to insult my writing
without one time mentioning what, in your opinion, sucks about it. I'm not
calling you out on this - it is your right to simply say "you suck" and move
on. However, I'd be interested in what, exactly, you think "sucked."
Either you have a valid point to make or you're just attacking with no real
understanding of what you are saying. I sincerely hope it is the former - I
appreciate critics very much and would be interested in what you say - if
you do have something to say at all. So far, you've only shown that you can
make phallic references and cast a meaningless insult.
THE TRUTH
Ron Sparks, the conventional POET, Pansy and TOTAL CONFORMIST wrote in
message:
"... Indeed. If you read my sonnets, you'll notice that I use iambic
pentameter,
proper rhyme scheme, imagery, and a myriad of other accepted poetic
conventions. Because, if you know your sonnets, there are two types; the
Shakesperian and the Italian (or Petrarchian). They both have definite
conventions that must be followed to fit that style. My sonnets online
happen to follow the
Shakesperian convention. Again, anyone who knows his poetry should know
this. Do you know this? Or did you just learn something new?..."
Sonnets? Jesus, you are one pretentious moron. Iambic pentameter? Don't box
yourself in now, you do want your artistic freedom. Accepted Poetic
Conventions? Bukowski hated everything that a prissy little twerp like you
is into. Rules and regulations are for followers and lovers of fascism. Take
your "order" and "discipline" elsewhere. You are a "method" piece of shit,
without a heart or a soul. You champion form over content and so, you are an
anti-Bukowski crud!
Begone, Churlish Knave!!
Members of alt.books.beatgeneration! Evert single one of you has serious
lifestyle problems. Move out of your parents' basements, get a job, a life
and an appreciation for Bukowski. Otherwise, disband your ludicrous
so-called "newsgroup".
I have spoken!
PUFF
====================
BIG ONE
"how dare you use the name shakespeare in decribing one of
"your turds you scribbled.That was a dick sucking move if ever Ive seen one.
yea :)
Edward J. Gordon
>I visited your web site. Talk about wannabees, Your writing sucks baby.
>shit even my arch enemy googolplex writes better shit than you.
Ron Sparks is the only one in this newsgroup who's published anything
worth reading and runs a very close second to...well...ME. If you
can't recognize that, that's your problem and your loss.
>you will never be published in or by anything respectable or acceptable.
>your self proclaimed poetry is shit.
Oh, here we go. Let me guess, you're one of these writers who still
reads Writer's Digest and thinks getting published takes talent and
hard persistent effort. Anyone can get published any time they want,
as evidenced by the loser in my writers group who's recently had a
poem published in one of our local newspapers.
And by the way, publishing means distributing a work to the public.
Technically speaking, Ron Sparks is published. As is this post I'm
writing to you. Now, if you want to talk about how much money a work
has made, let's talk about your work. Oh, we can't...sorry.
>you wouldnt know poetry if it sucked your dick
How poetic.
BIG ONE
"
">I visited your web site. Talk about wannabees, Your writing sucks baby.
">shit even my arch enemy googolplex writes better shit than you.
"
"Ron Sparks is the only one in this newsgroup who's published anything
"worth reading and runs a very close second to...well...ME. If you
"can't recognize that, that's your problem and your loss.
please feel free 2post stuff on alt.books.bukowski .... gets a bit low on
'literature' round here at times
Ron Sparks
Because I'm educated and know what a sonnet is? Once you learn to read, you
too can aspire to learn what every eigth-grader knows; sonnets, like haiku,
are a structured form of poetry.
> Iambic pentameter? Don't box
> yourself in now, you do want your artistic freedom.
Choosing to write a sonnet is to accept the "box" as you put it. One of the
challenges of writing a sonnet is to use 14 lines of iambic pentameter to
express a point, tell a story vivid enough to impress the reader, or convey
an emotion. By assuming that you lose artistic freedom in choosing to write
a sonnet, you are wrong.
> Accepted Poetic
> Conventions? Bukowski hated everything that a prissy little twerp like you
> is into. Rules and regulations are for followers and lovers of fascism.
Take
> your "order" and "discipline" elsewhere. You are a "method" piece of shit,
> without a heart or a soul. You champion form over content and so, you are
an
> anti-Bukowski crud!
Bullshit. According to what you just wrote, art is non-quantifiable and
impossible to measure. Any twit, like yourself, who speaks a word or two
suddenly becomes a poet - regardless of weather or not the rest of the
"world" understands you. Edward J. Gordon put it perfectly in another post
just today;
According to you, "Understand my garbage mental state or you don't
appreciate art." The beauty of any poetry, nimrod, is the fact that is HAS
form. Even free verse. Espcially free verse. In order for a free verse
poem to be considered poetry, you must have some other poetic conventions in
it.
Dear God - you know what I just realized? Your precious little Bukowski is
a hypocrite. He wrote books that had a beginning, a middle, and an end. He
had conflict and resolution. In short, he wrote according to accepted
literary conventions. He followed the rules.
You brainless moron. Don't speak unless you have some inkling of what you
say. You probably haven't even read "Ham on Rye."
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
BIG ONE
typed:
"> Sonnets? Jesus, you are one pretentious moron.
"
"Because I'm educated and know what a sonnet is? Once you learn to read, you
"too can aspire to learn what every eigth-grader knows; sonnets, like haiku,
"are a structured form of poetry.
why don't you just abab cdcd efef gg off ?
or please post in lines of 10 silly balls
Ron Sparks
> or please post in lines of 10 silly balls
Now that, at least, was witty.
Edward J. Gordon
>You brainless moron. Don't speak unless you have some inkling of what you
>say. You probably haven't even read "Ham on Rye."
Yeah! or "Green Eggs and Ham," for that matter! (No, wait, now I sound
just like poolhall and JZ.)
>
>
>Ron Sparks
>http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
BIG ONE
"Now that, at least, was witty.
just a little song
<think italian>
THE TRUTH
ONLY cocksucker here, recklessly importuning, ala John Gielgud, the hetero
members of this "group", who will never, ever, have anything to do with you.
By the way, you stated that I live in Japan. You lose the bet!
YOU LOSE!!!
PUFF
=============
Googolplex <goog...@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:921gr5$o2t$2...@gail.ripco.com...
> THE TRUTH (pupe...@sda.att.ne.jp) wrote:
>
> : Way off Goog, way, way off. Powell has nothing to do with this. He's
part of
> : the nigger/black discussion, not the back/alley/Goog obsession.
>
> : PUFFING-PETER
>
> : ========
>
> ...And your Bullshit about "Groids" as well as Fraud on Web-Cams!!! Hey
> Dicka-TROLL, don't lecture me about On-TOPIC...you CROSS-POSTING
Cocksucker!!!
>
> goog...@ripco.com
>
THE TRUTH
"newsgroup" 'posts' published material.
You have not been "published" merely by appearing on these absurd
"newsgroups".
You are a victim of your own delusions. Bukowski wrote about types like you.
You probably go to writer's workshops, wear black all the time, protest all
sorts of dumb-ass causes, wear badges, and eat bean salads in lieu of vital
and necessary BEEF.
Up yours!
PUFF
============================
Edward J. Gordon <edw...@xystum.com> wrote in message
news:3a474aff....@news-central.giganews.com...
THE TRUTH
appeals to me because it describes experiences that I can relate to. It has
nothing to do with form or style, you effete pansy. I suggest you look up
the word pansy in your condensed OED.
You are not a poet merely because you have assimilated certain poetic
"conventions' and are able to define them. You are a poet if you have LIFE
and VITALITY and BALLS. You have none of these. You are merely a PEDANTIC,
DRY-AS-DUST , FOLLOW-THE-RULES conformist.
Bukowski did not follow the rules. He wrote stories that made sense to his
readers. To you that's unacceptable. You prefer vague, ambiguous bullshit
that refers to obscure arcana that no one gives a shit about anymore. I
suggest that you go to the TATE gallery and enjoy the drivel that's posing
as 'art' there. Say what you have to say, moron, or FUCK-OFF!
And don't 'refer' me to a certain malingering dolt by the name of Edward J.
Gordon. Don't look to others for support.
PUFF
=================
Ron Sparks <r...@varsitybooks.com> wrote in message
news:GwN16.19437$BC.2...@e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com...
THE TRUTH
beats and what not. Although I think he thinks that sonnets are for the
birds these days, too.
PUFF
=========
BIG ONE <SU...@ND.Com> wrote in message
news:4eue4t05kl36ha074...@4ax.com...
Edward J. Gordon
>You must be a very desperate and sick individual to consider your
>"newsgroup" 'posts' published material.
It has nothing to do with being desperately sick. It's simply true.
If you distribute your work to the public, you are by definition,
publishing it. I said let's talk about money, but you didn't want to
do that, because you can't.
Money is all that matters, not the "publishing" that you hold to be so
terribly important. For instance, any writer who doesn't
self-publish, in my opinion is an idiot. But you probably don't feel
validated unless someone at a publishing house "accepts" your writing.
You're a child.
>
>You have not been "published" merely by appearing on these absurd
>"newsgroups".
You may not like it, and I can understand that. You've built up
publishing to be this great thing. When in fact, the Internet has
made it possible for everyone to be "published." So now what will you
do? Now, only money matters, and you can't make money with your
writing, can you?
>
>You are a victim of your own delusions. Bukowski wrote about types like you.
>You probably go to writer's workshops, wear black all the time, protest all
>sorts of dumb-ass causes, wear badges, and eat bean salads in lieu of vital
>and necessary BEEF.
I don't know who you're talking to, but I think you have me confused
with someone else. This is Edward J. Gordon. I live in the deep
south, money is all that matters to me, and I'm a staunch Republican.
Which can only mean one thing--I love to eat beef.
>
>Up yours!
You take the trouble to construct a civilization...to build a society
based on the principles of...you make government and art, and realize
that they are, must be, both the same...you bring things to the
saddest of all points...to the point where there is something to
lose...then all at once, through all the music, through all the
sensible sounds of men building, attempting, comes the Dies Irae. And
what is it? What does the trumpet sound? Up yours.
(Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf)
Ron Sparks
No thanks. Unlike yourself, I learned in infancy that this is not something
a person should do.
> You don't accuse ME of not having read Bukowski.
Actually, I did.
> His work
> appeals to me because it describes experiences that I can relate to. It
has
> nothing to do with form or style, you effete pansy. I suggest you look up
> the word pansy in your condensed OED.
Right next to "gibbering idiot", which just about accurately describes you.
> You are not a poet merely because you have assimilated certain poetic
> "conventions' and are able to define them.
Now that I agree with. 100%. Being a poet is so much more than
understanding semantics.
> You are a poet if you have LIFE and VITALITY and BALLS.
You're trying to wax poetic yourself here. Futilely, I might add. Many a
female poet would dispute you on the "balls" thing.
> You have none of these. You are merely a PEDANTIC,
> DRY-AS-DUST , FOLLOW-THE-RULES conformist.
You're a funny guy. A gibbering idiot, but you make me laugh nonetheless.
You're not even smart enough to know a simple, basic truth. In order to
break the rules, it makes sense to know what the rules are that you want to
break.
Otherwise, you're just acting randomly with no intelligent thought behind
your actions.
Wait - did I just describe you to a tee? I think I did. Idiot. Learn the
rules so you know when, where, and why to break them effectively. Isn't
there a course, "Rebel 101," for people like you? Where you learn these
simple truths? History is filled with dead, deluded, uneducated, cannon
fodder like yourself who didn't know the rules or even which side they were
fighting for - but fancied themselves rebels nonetheless.
> Bukowski did not follow the rules. He wrote stories that made sense to his
> readers.
Let's look at this again, not from your gibbering idiot perspective, but
from a logical perspective.
RULE: Write something appealing.
RULE: Write something that makes sense to the reader.
RULE: Have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
RULE: There must be a conflict of some type.
and on, and on.....
Your little Bukowski did indeed follow the rules. Are you sure you've read
him, idiot? If you had, you'd know this.
You make a point, though. Bukowski did break rules. Intelligently. And
how did he do that, my gibbering acolyte? By knowing the rules in the first
place.
> You prefer vague, ambiguous bullshit
> that refers to obscure arcana that no one gives a shit about anymore.
Wrong, kid. You're the cat here who is wallowing in vague emotionalism. My
"obscure arcana" is not obscure to anyone who knows even one iota about
poetry. It's crystal clear. You're the gibbering idiot without even the
sense to shut up and walk away.
Come on, you fool, is this all you have? I reply with succinct, exact, and
direct statements and all you can do is call me names? "Effete pansy?"
Lord, perhaps I am mentally touched. Why would I even waste my time in a
dialogue with someone as ineffectual and ignorant as yourself?
> Say what you have to say, moron, or FUCK-OFF!
I beleive I have, but here it is again in little words even you can
understand: You apparently have no idea what a poet is. You have no
understanding of poetry, and unless you're touched by the hand of God, you
will never write a good poem in your life.
> And don't 'refer' me to a certain malingering dolt by the name of Edward
J.
> Gordon. Don't look to others for support.
Never would I need it with a gibbering idiot like yourself. Edward Gordon,
however, is the only person in this group who even comes close to
intellectually stimulating conversation. And the only other person who
knows the art of effective flaming.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
tom
Ron Sparks wrote:
> I beleive I have, but here it is again in little words even you can
> understand: You apparently have no idea what a poet is. You have no
> understanding of poetry, and unless you're touched by the hand of God, you
> will never write a good poem in your life.
>
> Ron Sparks
> http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
Ron Sparks also wrote some poems; here are two of them he has posted on his
poetry page:
Siren, A Shakespearian sonnet about the enchanting power of the most
beautiful woman on this planet
Green as the pirate seas Caribbean,
Her eyes like unto the thundering surf
Majestic squall, power most stygian,
Lurking beneath the surface of her mirth
The salt-filled breeze, a warm westward phantom
Imparting lazy life to flaming locks
Brushes the kisses that from angels come
Caresses lips, a smile that faintly mocks
Tropical dress clings to a body lithe
Swaying gently on the sand-covered dune
Gazing at the sea, a creature of myth
Spoken of in countless stories and rune
Enchanted by this beautiful Siren
She sings for me alone - the least of men.
--- Ron Sparks September, 1999
---
and something called The Web in My Eyes, a Free-form poem of the love/hate
relationship an addict has with his drug.
Talons
gently tearing
ripping
raw flesh
my spine.
Demons stomping
entergetically
to a wild dissonance
inside my skull.
.
I hate it!
I must love it.
.
My vision swims,
bubbling
churning
my emotions in bottled
frenzy
My heart is burning
flaring
dancing
wildly as it
rips itself
clear of my confining
body
.
I hate it...
I must love it.
.
Merciless hands squeeze
constrict
my chest,
choking the air
from my lungs
.
I hate it...
.
I gasp raggedly
I grin
I weep
I reach again for the
needle
on the table and
bare
my arm.
.
I must love it...
--- Ron Sparks January, 2000
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/index1.html
keep up the good work, ron
tom
sorry, i'm back again. since we're talking about poetry and knowing what it is,
well...since they seem to be talking about that, i have to add one more poetic
example from ron's site, this one from a different contributor to this
cyber-thoughts site, someone named "The Bald Locust"...i found his poem very
moving. it's called The Burning Sea and is described as "[a] very good poem by
the most senior contributor to Cyber-Thoughts."
The Burning Sea
The sea is burning
With roaring, raging, crashing
Tongues of flame that scald the sands to ash
I stand upon the wounded shore
Engaged and enraged by this audacity
What right has the sea to burn
And impose its reign upon my peaceful home?
Yet knowledge whispers silently
Alluding to illusion
--- The Bald Locust
Ron Sparks
it is,
> well...since they seem to be talking about that, i have to add one more
poetic
> example from ron's site, this one from a different contributor to this
> cyber-thoughts site, someone named "The Bald Locust"...i found his poem
very
> moving. it's called The Burning Sea and is described as "[a] very good
poem by
> the most senior contributor to Cyber-Thoughts."
LOL - why are you posting the poems form my site here? You're bound to get
flamed for it. I don't mind it at all - I hope I can get some really good
criticism from it. I'll just bet you a nickle that someone will smack you
for it.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
BIG ONE
typed:
"Oh, boy, BIG ONE dug out his old school texts and has now begun to count out
"beats and what not. Although I think he thinks that sonnets are for the
"birds these days, too.
not quite school texts ... never found this sonnet thing any good 2 b honest
.... although Donne is alright be4 he took to god. the most interesting thing
about it IMHO is that its practically unique in the western tradition of being
the only form of poetry with a strict form
& FWIW all poetry's 4 the birds
BIG ONE
typed:
"> You are a poet if you have LIFE and VITALITY and BALLS.
"
"You're trying to wax poetic yourself here. Futilely, I might add. Many a
"female poet would dispute you on the "balls" thing.
& many would dispute females right 2 consider themselves poets
Ron Sparks
> > Many a female poet would dispute you on the "balls" thing.
> & many would dispute females right 2 consider themselves poets
Really? Why is that?
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
BIG ONE
typed:
"
"> > Many a female poet would dispute you on the "balls" thing.
"
"> & many would dispute females right 2 consider themselves poets
"
"Really? Why is that?
can u name a great ... or even strong female poet ?
tom
BIG ONE wrote:
> can u name a great ... or even strong female poet ?
how about emily dickinson?
is she good enough to be listed up there with the great or even strong poet
boys in your estimation?
or are you saying there isn't one female poet who deserves that grouping?
by the way, who is on this great or even strong poet list of yours anyway?
Caleb Cunningham
"tom" <ye...@who.com> wrote in message news:3A4906D3...@who.com...
:
:
: BIG ONE wrote:
:
: > can u name a great ... or even strong female poet ?
:
: how about emily dickinson?
i'll take sylvia plath anyday
William Clevenger
necessary
BIG ONE
"BIG ONE wrote:
"
"> can u name a great ... or even strong female poet ?
"
"how about emily dickinson?
oh look ho's been produced ... a modern ... 'new world' type
who was a big nobody until after her death .... am i right
"is she good enough to be listed up there with the great or even strong poet
"boys in your estimation?
my estimation counts for nothing ... but the point i'm preparing 2 make is that
pussy of the past was real ..... & kept in it's place by men who could shake a
sonnet with the best of them .... now u can get some cunt that's just a bloke
with no balls ..... & so they even try 2 wear the poetic pants
"or are you saying there isn't one female poet who deserves that grouping?
na ... just lookin' 4 a fight
"by the way, who is on this great or even strong poet list of yours anyway?
would milton be sticking u'r nose in it a bit ?
BIG ONE
<elcamin...@earthlink.net> typed:
better :)
but very similar ... wasn't she good at imagery ???
died from suicide wasn't it ? probably coz she was married 2 that northern
bastard friend of the queens.... hughes
read the bell jar's years ago bloody miserable ... can't stand reading about
emotional cunt
tom
BIG ONE wrote:
> about Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:00:03 -0500, tom <ye...@who.com> typed:
>
> "BIG ONE wrote:
> "
> "> can u name a great ... or even strong female poet ?
> "
> "how about emily dickinson?
>
> oh look ho's been produced ... a modern ... 'new world' type
> who was a big nobody until after her death .... am i right
what does that have to do with it? you're joking, right? i didn't produce her. i
just asked what you thought of her.
> "is she good enough to be listed up there with the great or even strong poet
> "boys in your estimation?
>
> my estimation counts for nothing ... but the point i'm preparing 2 make is that
> pussy of the past was real ..... & kept in it's place by men who could shake a
> sonnet with the best of them .... now u can get some cunt that's just a bloke
> with no balls ..... & so they even try 2 wear the poetic pants
i don't know if emily d was that kind of real and don't know if she was kept in
place.
again, i think you're joking. which is fine.
> "or are you saying there isn't one female poet who deserves that grouping?
>
> na ... just lookin' 4 a fight
good enough for me
> "by the way, who is on this great or even strong poet list of yours anyway?
>
> would milton be sticking u'r nose in it a bit ?
i lost my nose in the war, sir.
good day.
your clock is broken...i think...or you have some kind of crazy time machine
enabling you to go back in time and respond to my posts hours before i send them.
if that is the case, i could use one of those to place a few bets. please notify.
BIG ONE
"BIG ONE wrote:
"
"> about Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:00:03 -0500, tom <ye...@who.com> typed:
">
"> "BIG ONE wrote:
"> "
"> "> can u name a great ... or even strong female poet ?
"> "
"> "how about emily dickinson?
">
"> oh look ho's been produced ... a modern ... 'new world' type
"> who was a big nobody until after her death .... am i right
"
"what does that have to do with it?
u can't be a great poet unless u've lasted the test of time.... but u've also
gotta b appreciated in u'r lifetime
" you're joking, right?
possibly my sense of humour has improved ... usually i joke rather poorly
" i didn't produce her. i just asked what you thought of her.
produced as part of a process :) ... there's damn few quality female poets & the
% of them from the old world r really not worth commenting on
"i don't know if emily d was that kind of real and don't know if she was kept in
"place.
probably she wasn't ... i'm sure her biography mentions her doing some sheet
metal work & putting a whole mining community of men out of work
"again, i think you're joking. which is fine.
oh alright then
"> "or are you saying there isn't one female poet who deserves that grouping?
">
"> na ... just lookin' 4 a fight
"
"good enough for me
<SMACK> & he's bleeding on the ropes
"> "by the way, who is on this great or even strong poet list of yours anyway?
">
"> would milton be sticking u'r nose in it a bit ?
"
"i lost my nose in the war, sir.
Q- how do u smell ?
A=
"good day.
not really
"your clock is broken...i think...or you have some kind of crazy time machine
"enabling you to go back in time and respond to my posts hours before i send
them.
yea ... i know but what time is it ?
"if that is the case, i could use one of those to place a few bets. please
notify.
i'm offering even odds that i finish this bottle of metaxa 2night
tom
BIG ONE wrote:
> u can't be a great poet unless u've lasted the test of time.... but u've also
> gotta b appreciated in u'r lifetime
so, if someone like milton...or dickinson...or let's say bukowski were not
appreciated or "discovered" while they were alive and were only appreciated
generations later they're out the window? in dickinson's case -- mind you, i'm not
saying she is or she isn't one of your great poets -- she kept most of her poems
tied up in little bows in her desk. what then. eh. huh. wha.
> possibly my sense of humour has improved ... usually i joke rather poorly
i still think we're playing internet chess with checkers but whatever.
> " i didn't produce her. i just asked what you thought of her.
>
> produced as part of a process :) ... there's damn few quality female poets & the
> % of them from the old world r really not worth commenting on
to play devil's advocate, as i am an avowed satanist, could that maybe be because of
the terribly patriarchal society which keeps a good woman down, in her place, not
letting her take up the mighty pen and shakespeare, miltion, orwell, joyce, milton
or whoever you want to name, her way around the page?
> "i don't know if emily d was that kind of real and don't know if she was kept in
> "place.
>
> probably she wasn't ... i'm sure her biography mentions her doing some sheet
> metal work & putting a whole mining community of men out of work
again, the checkers thing. i couldn't get a straight answer out of you with a hot
iron placed firmly against your cheek. face, i mean.
> "again, i think you're joking. which is fine.
>
> oh alright then
cheersy weersy
> "> "or are you saying there isn't one female poet who deserves that grouping?
> ">
> "> na ... just lookin' 4 a fight
> "
> "good enough for me<SMACK> & he's bleeding on the ropes
i haven't stepped into the gymnasium yet, my good man.
wait. you are a man, right? not one of these down on women gals i've read about
here and there, i hope.
> "> "by the way, who is on this great or even strong poet list of yours anyway?
> ">
> "> would milton be sticking u'r nose in it a bit ?
> "
> "i lost my nose in the war, sir.
>
> Q- how do u smell ?
a bit like richard simmons they tell me.
>> "good day.
> not really
they're hiding them somewhere. or some dirty bastard used them up a long time ago.
> "your clock is broken...i think...or you have some kind of crazy time machine
> "enabling you to go back in time and respond to my posts hours before i send
> them.
>
> yea ... i know but what time is it ?
you're an inquisitive sort, aren't you?
> "if that is the case, i could use one of those to place a few bets. please
> notify.
>
> i'm offering even odds that i finish this bottle of metaxa 2night
metaxa? cheap tequila? or some kind of antacid?
i'll have another beer
i wish something would happen
maybe a little nuclear explosion in pittsburgh or something
maybe i'll read some more of ron sparks' poetry
now that fella...that guy can write
THE TRUTH
Sparks, you are a twit! Yer southern sense of propriety is a joke and you go
on and on about 'poetry', turning it into a dry, academic exercise.
On your knees, boy! Sing "MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA" at the top of your
lungs! That's poetry! The poetry that rips apart conventional conformists
such as yerself.
By the way, stop congratulating yerself. It is unbecoming for Southern
White-Trash manhood to be doing anything but making amends to
African-Americans.
And don't talk about courses such as "REBEL 101". I teach 6 (as of next
April)university courses. Sometimes I introduce my students to BUKOWSKI,
without yer bullshit academic 'poesy' crap. Burns you up don't it, chump? I
SLAY the standard academic approach to literature and REPLACE it with my own
clear-sightedness.
Face it Sparks, you are a joke and a chump.
PUFF
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"...shit..."
THE TRUTH
Shove your southern racist bullshit into the orifices of Southern Womanhood,
those whores who were so poorly defended by their 'men-folk'. I yearn for
the day when Southerners such as yourself are transported IN CHAINS back to
Europe. Go get yerself published, boy!
Apologize for your history of bigotry and ignorance.
Yoo-hoo! You is nuthin' but TRAILER TRASH!!!
PUFF
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THE TRUTH
mythological river or the 70's rock-group? What a bunch of CLICHÉD bullshit.
It is to laugh.
Thanks Tom. You gave me my laugh of the day
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The sea is burning
With roaring, raging, crashing"
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burning? roaring? raging? crashing?
Lots of "ings" there.
Are you out of yer fucking mind? Yer poems are DRIVEL!
I'm laughing so hard that my ribs are aching!
PUFF
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henri_...@my-deja.com
> Green as the pirate seas Caribbean,
> Her eyes like unto the thundering surf
> Majestic squall, power most stygian,
> Lurking beneath the surface of her mirth
me thinks poor ron is lacking in shame. it's unfortunate.
henri r.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Ron Sparks
than
> necessary
From left field - an unexpected attack. Welcome to the flame, Billy.
Ron Sparks
than
> necessary
From left field - an unexpected attack. Welcome to the flame, Billy.
Ron Sparks
> mythological river or the 70's rock-group? What a bunch of CLICHÉD
bullshit.
>
> It is to laugh.
>
The 70's rock group was "Styx". The mythological river was "Styx."
"Stygian" means of or pertaining to the river Styx; hence, hellish;
infernal. I'm glad you understood the reference.
As for the clichés: there are actually no clichéd word formations in the
poem. However, I agree with you - to write about a lover or a woman you
love is extremely clichéd. It is perhaps the most overused theme in all of
literature.
> Thanks Tom. You gave me my laugh of the day
Yeah - me too. I laughed all the way to the bank with that poem. Show me
the money, you insignificant puff of air.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
Ron Sparks
eh? Why am I lacking in shame?
Ron Sparks
> mythological river or the 70's rock-group? What a bunch of CLICHÉD
bullshit.
The funny thing here is, of course, that you failed to respond to the
original post in this thread. Coward.
Please, show me one thing you have written - I will critique it fairly, I
promise. Unlike yourself, I am qualified to read and comment on what you
write.
Ron Sparks
http://www.gate.net/~rsparks/stories/
JZ
>
>
> If you read my sonnets, you'll notice that I use iambic pentameter,
> proper rhyme scheme, imagery, and a myriad of other accepted poetic
> conventions. You see, I do know poetry.
There is no point in going any further with this conversation.
You are a lost soul.
JZ
JZ
> >I visited your web site. Talk about wannabees, Your writing sucks baby.
> >shit even my arch enemy googolplex writes better shit than you.
>
> Ron Sparks is the only one in this newsgroup who's published anything
> worth reading and runs a very close second to...well...ME. If you
> can't recognize that, that's your problem and your loss.
listen up eddie, if you and that loser sparks had anything going literary
wise, you wouldnt be trolling around the ng's or having web sites posting
your shit.
Get fuckin real.
>
>
> >you will never be published in or by anything respectable or acceptable.
> >your self proclaimed poetry is shit.
>
> Oh, here we go. Let me guess, you're one of these writers
im not a writer asshole, just someone who knows the good shit from the bad
shit and spark's shit stinks. There are alot of talented writers who arent
published. My point was that sparks's writing sucks and he can take his
condescending attitude along with his shitty scriblings and shove them back
up his non talented ass.
>
>
> Now, if you want to talk about how much money a work
> has made, let's talk about your work. Oh, we can't...sorry.
Im not a writer....
>
>
> >you wouldnt know poetry if it sucked your dick
>
> How poetic.
>
My first shot at poetry, thanks.
Do you think I can make it as a poet?
JZ
JZ
> Unlike yourself, I am qualified to read and comment on what you
> write.
What a fucking laugh
the only thing your qualified to read and comment on is a clock..
JZ
JZ
> sorry, i'm back again. since we're talking about poetry and knowing what it is,
> well...since they seem to be talking about that, i have to add one more poetic
> example from ron's site, this one from a different contributor to this
> cyber-thoughts site, someone named "The Bald Locust"...i found his poem very
> moving. it's called The Burning Sea and is described as "[a] very good poem by
> the most senior contributor to Cyber-Thoughts."
>
> The Burning Sea
>
> The sea is burning
> With roaring, raging, crashing
> Tongues of flame that scald the sands to ash
> I stand upon the wounded shore
> Engaged and enraged by this audacity
> What right has the sea to burn
> And impose its reign upon my peaceful home?
> Yet knowledge whispers silently
> Alluding to illusion
>
> --- The Bald Locust
this should be called "the burning shit"
by the bald loser
Dark Archer
>listen up eddie, if you and that loser sparks had anything going literary
>wise, you wouldnt be trolling around the ng's or having web sites posting
>your shit.
Sorry, but I have been to Ron's website, there were no posted feces.
Just thought I would mention it.
>Get fuckin real.
As opposed to
>im not a writer asshole, just someone who knows the good shit from the bad
>shit and spark's shit stinks. There are alot of talented writers who arent
>published. My point was that sparks's writing sucks and he can take his
>condescending attitude along with his shitty scriblings and shove them back
>up his non talented ass.
So you are not a 'WRITER ASSHOLE'? Are you a 'WRITER ASSHOLE
WANNABE'? I see where you have a preoccupation with fecal matter and
fecal matter delivery systems. I cannot begin to guess how you were
able to sample and analyse both Edward's and Ron's fecal material, but
you must have some talent for such things and a great passion to have
gone to the trouble.
I would like to make another point of order here. I have read most of
this entire exchange and I do not remember Ron ever stating he had a
'talented ass.' I am pretty sure had he said something like that, I
would have remembered. You just don't forget something like that.
Sorry Ron, but I don't think you ever boasted such in this discussion
or any other thus far.
>Im not a writer....
That's alright, you aspire to be a 'WRITER ASSHOLE' , at least you
still have a dream.
>> >you wouldnt know poetry if it sucked your dick
>>
>> How poetic.
>My first shot at poetry, thanks.
>Do you think I can make it as a poet?
Well now do you want to be a poet, or a 'WRITER ASSHOLE'? You should
follow your bliss. But you need to determine what your bliss is.
Now after 20 years of bad sex, I find out all I needed to do was get
some poetry and it would have sucked my dick. Crap, why did I wait so
long to get Internet access? Now is this just any poetry or are there
certain poems that do a better job than others. I would prefer one
that swallowed.
Try not.
Do or do not.
There is no try.
Yoda
Dark Archer
>>> Green as the pirate seas Caribbean,
>>> Her eyes like unto the thundering surf
>>> Majestic squall, power most stygian,
>>> Lurking beneath the surface of her mirth
>> me thinks poor ron is lacking in shame. it's unfortunate.
>eh? Why am I lacking in shame?
Far be it for me to cast dispersions, but it could be that "Lurking
beneath the surface of her mirth." Not all women like that you know.
Most prefer that you be a little more animated and get busy beneath
the surface of their mirth.
Dark Archer
>this should be called "the burning shit"
>by the bald loser
Now, there you go JZ, you are back with the fecal thing. I really
think that is your strong suit. I still support you in your quest to
become a 'WRITER ASSHOLE'!
Dark Archer
>yeah, i agree. why should anyone else be exposed to that shitty dribble than
>necessary
Have you spoken to JZ, he seems to be real expert of fecal matter. He
has great passion for fecal matter and fecal matter delivery systems.
I thought his bliss was to be a 'WRITER ASSHOLE', but he spouts one
line of poetry and then he just changes his mind. I think it is a
mistake, but true artists are so hard to direct and keep focused.
Kinds like kittens and balls of string.
Dark Archer
>Ron Sparks wrote:
>> Unlike yourself, I am qualified to read and comment on what you
>> write.
>What a fucking laugh
I think I warned THE TRUTH about making sexual offers on the Internet.
You could get your heart broken.
>the only thing your qualified to read and comment on is a clock..
Is there a class or some test you take to get this kind of
qualification? Because you might consider taking it yourself.
Because while Ron is qualified to read and comment on a clock, you
certainly don't know what time it is.
I will try and type a little slower,
so you can understand what I just said.
Dark Archer
>You must be a very desperate and sick individual to consider your
>"newsgroup" 'posts' published material.
Exactly which definition of 'published' do you go by? If you are so
against order, authority, and doing things by set rules, why do you
seem to embrace the established definition of published, which would
require that his work be in print and available at fine bookstores
everywhere? Maybe instead of being some cutting edge anarchist who is
out to dis and trash authority, you are just another disconnected
malcontent, who can't figure out why he is here or what he should do
and has not drugged himself up enough to get passed caring.
>You have not been "published" merely by appearing on these absurd
>"newsgroups".
Why do YOU come to absurd newsgroups? Is this some insight into who
you are. So poorly contrived that you would only hang in 'absurd
newsgroups' when there are nearly 14,000 other no-so-absurd newsgroups
to hang out in.
>You are a victim of your own delusions. Bukowski wrote about types like you.
>You probably go to writer's workshops, wear black all the time, protest all
>sorts of dumb-ass causes, wear badges, and eat bean salads in lieu of vital
>and necessary BEEF.
So going to workshops is bad. Oh, yeah a form of education. I get
it, you don't but I do. Education is bad because it helps to limit
the feeble minded from greatness. It is the concept of establishing
limits around reality that represents what is bad in education.
Personally I like the idea of limiting the feeble minded. It keeps
them from hurting themselves.
Wearing black? So everyone that wears black is a dumb writer. I have
a few friends that are Hell's Angels, they might or might not agree
with you.
Well you are either for a dumb-ass cause or you are against it. I
guess you could be apathetic about it, but that still requires having
some form of opinion.
Wearing badges is bad and makes you a dumb writer. I have a few
friends that are Texas Rangers, they might or might not agree with
you.
"and eat bean salads in lieu of vital and necessary BEEF.", now here
is the only real sin you have brought forward that I can get on board
with you. But I am still torn between my loyalty to Beef Industry and
my sympathy to the Farmer Workers. While beans are fun and if you eat
enough you can get real windy and blame it on other people when you
break said wind, I do love a good thick steak just packed full of
hormones and fat, now that is real living. It is the arterial version
of riding a Harley at 90 miles an hour with no helmet while flipping
off the Highway Patrol.
>Up yours!
>PUFF
Is it wise to make offers of sex to people you have not met yet, in
newsgroups not devoted to such venues? I appreciate your romantic
nature and your attempt to find true love with strangers you obviously
have some strong feelings for, but I think you would be well advised
to move much slower on this and at least wait and see if they want to
exchange pictures. You could get your heart broken.
You answer quite slowly, the girl with the colostomy goes by..
THE TRUTH
with the possible exception of New Orleans, we had a nickname for those dolt
poseurs. We called them "STINKS".
Your poetry is, was, and always will be shit.
Your reference was a bore. Grade 1 Classics. Big deal.
You made no money from that poem. Only a moron would actually pay for such
saccharine clap-trap.
PUFF
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