Re: Beat Yuhself, Dockery

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 7, 3:41 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> > Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> I'm not biting the hook this time.
>
> Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti

There you go again, PJR.

Your obvious jealousy of your betters, Ferlinghetti now, Ginsberg
earlier, is unbecoming.

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[Will Dockery]

On Apr 7, 4:00 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>
> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred

> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>
> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>

> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>
> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg

No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
"underestimating the enemy".

Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

--
Here's the Sam Singer tune, which he actually set my poem to music to
on bass. This version is Brian Mallard, Gene Woolfolk Jr & Jack Snipe
on all instruments, my poem & vocal, obviously...
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12609809

[Fred Hall]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<143a696a-c724-462b...@m13g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 7, 4:00 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:41:29 +0000 (UTC), Peter J Ross
>> <p...@example.invalid> wrote in <slrnjo1638.ri2....@pjr.no-ip.org>:
>>
>> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:07:25 -0500, Fred
>> >Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>>
>> >> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto
>>
>> >I'm not biting the hook this time.
>>
>> >Besides, I've already laughed at Ferlinghetti's risible attempts at
>> >"poetry" many times in the past decade.
>>
>> >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>>
>> I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound, I
>> should help them out by letting Pound read to them.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aba1dVLVSFg
>
>No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
>"underestimating the enemy".
>
>Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
>from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

Pound was British?

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT), Corey
<hierony...@gmail.com> wrote in
<05328009-1ba1-4f4a...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 8, 7:30 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:09:27 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery

>> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <143a696a-c724-462b-8a3d-6136814b7...@m13g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>Stop that. You know better. You're only making it worse. Fuck. 5am and
>I need ice already. This is not the way I wanted to start my day. I
>know you think you're trying to be instructive, but do you think you
>could be just a little less contemptuously disengenuous in the
>process? Thanks ever so much, sweetheart. *smooch* Y'all have a nice
>day now, ya hear?

Me, disingenuous?

Hope you have a good day also. Say hello to Angel for me, and ask her
to please post to Usenet more frequently. She's very entertaining.

--

Science flew man to the moon
Religion flew man into buildings...

AC

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT), Corey
<hierony...@gmail.com> wrote in
<6f6dafb7-6e8e-46dd...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 9, 5:49 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT), Corey

>> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <05328009-1ba1-4f4a-91bd-7f6225b98...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:

>It sounds odd you'd hope I have a good day at this late hour. We just
>ate dinner. Angel's sister Jeanie, Maasson and Stephanie are here too.
>We had ham and kale and mac&cheese. Mmm. I told Angel you said hi. She
>said, "Fred? Do I know Fred?" I told her you were just some guy from
>the group. No offense intended.

None taken. I am a bit peeved you didn't invite me to dinner.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT), Corey
<hierony...@gmail.com> wrote in
<3449c327-9dca-4b16...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 9, 6:29 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT), Corey

>> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <6f6dafb7-6e8e-46dd-864f-19b172528...@z17g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>:

>Bullshit. If you were in the neighborhood, you'd be here. I'm easy to
>find, and you have my phone numbers. Anyway, if you ever figure out
>how, or why you should stop trying to bullshit me, you know you're
>welcome here anytime.

I'm a bit shy in real life. I would never presume to just show up at
your door, unannounced, and invite myself to dinner. Same for phone
calls. When I have spoken to Usenet personalities via telephone, they
invariably ridicule me on Usenet, saying I sound like an uneducated
hick. So, if I call you, are you available?

[the messenjah]

On Apr 9, 7:35 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:46:48 -0700 (PDT), Corey

> <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <3449c327-9dca-4b16-9bcf-e17eb6a56...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>:

You weren't shy when you called me in the middle of the night calling
me a "kiddie-fucker".

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:19:19 -0700 (PDT), the messenjah
<theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in
<4aed7c09-7c3f-4083...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>:

Proof, kiddie fucker?

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

the messenjah <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in

news:4aed7c09-7c3f-4083...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

>"kiddie-fucker".

Isn't it a bit early for a deathbed confession? I hope not!

Feel free to rush it, Kluckweasel.

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[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 6:46 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bullshit. If you were in the neighborhood, you'd be here. I'm easy to
> find, and you have my phone numbers. Anyway, if you ever figure out
> how, or why you should stop trying to bullshit me, you know you're
> welcome here anytime.

I know this is true, and would love to be able to drop in sometimes
and hang out with y'all.

The several hundred miles between us makes that pretty much impossible
for me & The Bro at this time.

--
Music & poetry from Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> >"underestimating the enemy".
>
> >Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> >from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>
> Pound was British?

No, if you'll read what I wrote again, I was referring to "PJR".

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:19:21 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<6de1e2b9-05d3-4cfe...@l14g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> >No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
>> >"underestimating the enemy".
>>
>> >Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
>> >from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>>
>> Pound was British?
>
>No, if you'll read what I wrote again, I was referring to "PJR".

PJR needed Pound's help to win...you have confused me Dockery. I have
no idea what you meant.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall wrote:
>
> PJR needed Pound's help to win

There you go, that's my point yet again.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 4:59 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 8, 5:09 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> > "underestimating the enemy".
>
> > Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> > from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>

> Call me stupid. I have absolutely no idea what you are just saying.

Perhaps when you get bthis problem with your head fixed, maybe your
reading comprehension will improve again... hopefully.

Take care, maybe get some rest, my friend.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<e4da1963-2015-415a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall wrote:
>>
>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>
>There you go, that's my point yet again.

What does PJR have to do with WWII?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 10:38 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You could insult my reading comprehension and make insincere
> references to my very real very serious neurological issue, or you
> could take the time to explain yourself to someone who genuinely
> doesn't understand what you meant. Life is full of tough choices. Of
> course, some are obviously tougher than others.

Okay, I just assumed you were trying to insult me, since I'm non-
plussed that anyone would or could be confused by what I wrote.

If you really don't understand what I meant in those two senetences,
then I suppose I could explain.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall wrote:
>
> What does PJR have to do with WWII?

Or the Revolutionary War?

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<97af3f9d-6124-46e4...@y13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 9, 10:38 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could insult my reading comprehension and make insincere
>> references to my very real very serious neurological issue, or you
>> could take the time to explain yourself to someone who genuinely
>> doesn't understand what you meant. Life is full of tough choices. Of
>> course, some are obviously tougher than others.
>
>Okay, I just assumed you were trying to insult me, since I'm non-
>plussed that anyone would or could be confused by what I wrote.
>
>If you really don't understand what I meant in those two senetences,
>then I suppose I could explain.

I really don't understand what you meant. Please explain. It could
be that Corey and I are both dumbasses, unable to comprehend what we
read. I doubt it. It has been my experience that when the audience
does not understand the presentation, the fault lies with individual
presenting the information.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<c131194a-4ac1-44f9...@36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall wrote:
>>
>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
>Or the Revolutionary War?

Fine

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 10:49 pm, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I really don't care what the fuck you do, Will. Explan. Don't explain.
> Whatever. To assume that I was trying to insult you is paranoid
> thinking. It's insulting, not to mention just plain nutso. Fuck you.
> I'm going to bed. You can apologize tomorrow. And it better be a damn
> good one if you want to keep a friend, asshole.

Wow.

Yes, I apologize... I had no idea you were so sensitive about all
this, get some rest and here's hoping you wake up back to normal again
in the morning, my friend.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall wrote:
>
> I really don't understand what you meant. Please explain. It could
> be that Corey and I are both dumbasses, unable to comprehend

Okay, try reading it again then, maybe:

<snip for focus>

> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound

<snip for focus>

> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> "underestimating the enemy".
>
> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

...And then point out what part of "PJR is a jealous Brit Moron" you
don't understand.

Okay, Fred... your move.

--
Music & poetry from Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

> --
> Here's the Sam Singer tune, which he actually set my poem to music to
> on bass. This version is Brian Mallard, Gene Woolfolk Jr & Jack Snipe
> on all instruments, my poem & vocal, obviously...

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12609809

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:05:42 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<a91bd72c-d270-4235...@h20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>:

>Fred Hall wrote:
>>
>> I really don't understand what you meant. Please explain. It could
>> be that Corey and I are both dumbasses, unable to comprehend
>
>Okay, try reading it again then, maybe:
>
><snip for focus>
>
>> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>>
>> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound
>
><snip for focus>
>
>> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
>> "underestimating the enemy".
>>
>> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
>> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.
>
>...And then point out what part of "PJR is a jealous Brit Moron" you
>don't understand.
>
>Okay, Fred... your move.

Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
of anything. He did make a reference to ' beat morons' being able to
to read Pound, but he he did not state that *all* beats were unable to
read Pound.

Okay, Will...your move

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 9, 10:50 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
> <c131194a-4ac1-44f9-af72-07bf98296...@36g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>:

>>Fred Hall wrote:
>
> >> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >Or the Revolutionary War?
>
> Fine

Get it now?

Good.

If not, try reading it again then, maybe:

<snip for focus>

> > >"Reading Ezra Pound" - as if any "beat" moron would know how to.
>
> > I suppose if there are beats who don't know how to read Pound

<snip for focus>

> No, that's just another of PJR's many mistakes, this one
> "underestimating the enemy".
>
> Same reason the Brits lost the Revolutionary War and have needed help
> from the United States ever since... just sayin'.

...And then point out what part of "PJR is a jealous Brit Moron" you don't
understand.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
> of anything.

PJR has a pattern of showing similar jealousy of and for the works (& fame)
of quite a few poets who are better poets than he could ever hope to be,
right offhand I can remember him demstrating this over Ginsberg, Dickinson,
Cohen, Hammes... and now the master poet Ferlinghetti.

So, you may not agree but I have my opinion and you have yours on the
matter, obviously.

[Fred Hall]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:38:04 -0400, "Will Dockery"
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm09vu$dq1$1...@dont-email.me>:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
>> of anything.
>
>PJR has a pattern of showing similar jealousy of and for the works (& fame)
>of quite a few poets who are better poets than he could ever hope to be,
>right offhand I can remember him demstrating this over Ginsberg, Dickinson,
>Cohen, Hammes... and now the master poet Ferlinghetti.
>
>So, you may not agree but I have my opinion and you have yours on the
>matter, obviously.

Yes, we do. But, PJR has always explained the reasons he dislikes
certain poets. Constructive criticism. Isn't that what these groups
are for? It is not written into the US Constitution that one must bow
down before the greatness of Ginsberg, Ferlinghetti, or, for that
matter, Dickinson. (In case you haven't noticed, I despise Dickinson's
poetry. In college, if I required to write about Dickinson, I
invariably received a poor grade)

So, do you dislike Pound?

Discuss

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> So, do you dislike Pound?

No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:

http://www.myforumabout.com/art/poetry/re-the-will-dockery-archives-part-1-a-102902

----
From: Will Dockery
Subject: Ezra Pound: the cold coffee incident
Date: 2004-09-02 10:49:38 PST

"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
Was swallowed up in leaves..."
-Robert Frost

[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:

"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead.
And he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set
there watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he
didn't care for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda.
And I remember Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a
desolate waste of bogs, and he said to him, "it's rather dull here";
and the man said,

"Faith, ye can sit on a middan and dream stars."

And that is the essence of folk poetry with distinction between America
and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of these things..."
-Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
----

In honor of Pound and live broadcasts.

[Will Dockery]

[Fred Hall]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:26 -0400, "Will Dockery"
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm0cvm$odi$2...@dont-email.me>:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, do you dislike Pound?
>
>No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
>I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
>here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:

Glad you cleared that up

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 10, 12:46 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:26 -0400, "Will Dockery" wrote in <jm0cvm$od...@dont-email.me>:
>>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> So, do you dislike Pound?
>
> >No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
> >I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
> >here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:
>
> Glad you cleared that up

No problem.

> >http://www.myforumabout.com/art/poetry/re-the-will-dockery-archives-p...

>
> >----
> > From: Will Dockery
> > Subject: Ezra Pound: the cold coffee incident
> > Date: 2004-09-02 10:49:38 PST
>
> >"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
> > Was swallowed up in leaves..."
> > -Robert Frost
>
> >[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:
>
> >"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
> > water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead.
> > And he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set
> > there watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he
> > didn't care for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda.
> > And I remember Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a
> > desolate waste of bogs, and he said to him, "it's rather dull here";
> > and the man said,
>
> >"Faith, ye can sit on a middan and dream stars."
>
> >And that is the essence of folk poetry with distinction between America
> > and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of these things..."
> > -Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
> > ----
>
> >In honor of Pound and live broadcasts.

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[Will Dockery]

On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>

> Perhaps I started it?

Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR

--
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http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Fred Hall]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<4601c510-37d4-471d...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>>
>> Perhaps I started it?
>
>Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR

Wie so, Herr Dockery?

[Aratzio]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
probation for writing:

>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred

>Perhaps I started it?

Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
brother.

[Fred Hall]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
wrote in <rdueo75pikahcujjv...@4ax.com>:

For stealing your H-Bomb Ferguson LP?

[Aratzio]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:19:21 -0500, in the land of rec.arts.poems,
Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> got double secret probation for

writing:

>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>wrote in <rdueo75pikahcujjv...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
>>rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
>>probation for writing:
>>
>>>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:35:44 -0500, Fred
>>>Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
>>>> <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <e4da1963-2015-415a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>Fred Hall wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PJR needed Pound's help to win
>>>>>
>>>>>There you go, that's my point yet again.
>>>>
>>>> What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>>>
>>>Perhaps I started it?
>>
>>Nope, that was my fault. I shot the Archduke Ferdinand's younger
>>brother.
>
>For stealing your H-Bomb Ferguson LP?

Nah, he took the Charly CD Red Box Complete Muddy Waters

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 12, 8:46 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
> <4601c510-37d4-471d-ac46-5d2485182...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:

>>On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>
> >> Perhaps I started it?
>
> >Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR
>
> Wie so, Herr Dockery?

Isn't it obvious, Fred?

[Fred Hall]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<1038d033-289e-4ecc...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>On Apr 12, 8:46 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
>> <4601c510-37d4-471d-ac46-5d2485182...@m13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>:
>>>On Apr 12, 3:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > What does PJR have to do with WWII?
>>
>> >> Perhaps I started it?
>>
>> >Nah, you're just another Hitler-wannabe, PJR
>>
>> Wie so, Herr Dockery?
>
>Isn't it obvious, Fred?

If it was obvious, I wouldn't have asked.

[Fred Hall]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in
<1038d033-289e-4ecc...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>Under The Radar / Shadowville All-Stars:
>http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery#!/play_now/song_12609809

Not bad. Kinda LouReedy, and I know why.

[Fred Hall]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:25:36 -0700, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
wrote in <qvnho7t5t2jqvopmt...@4ax.com>:

THE BASTARD!!! Am I too late to sign up for the war?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 14, 12:06 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote in
> <1038d033-289e-4ecc-9053-7133f7a7c...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >Under The Radar / Shadowville All-Stars:
> >http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery#!/play_now/song_12609809
>
> Not bad.  Kinda LouReedy, and I know why.

Thanks... but wie so, Herr Hall?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 14, 6:31 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 14, 12:07 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> > THE BASTARD!!!  Am I too late to sign up for the war?
>

> LOL. War? You? Seriously, Fred, anytime you want your ass handed to
> you, just say so. I'm here for you.

"Let's you & him fight." -Popeye

--

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 14, 6:47 am, Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Would it matter if Nazi skinheads loved your music, Will? For example,
> if you found out that there was a subculture of racist thugs who
> really loved your music, and used your songs as a rallying and
> recruiting tool at all their racist thug club meetings, how would you
> react to their free use of your work? How would you feel if your music
> was played in prison, and a child molesting, rapist, murderer thought
> your music was the real cat's meow? What if, all of a sudden, you
> became really popular, but only with the outcast, dregs of society.
> How would that affect your perception of whatever the fuck you call
> what you do?

Sounds like the problems Ron Paul has been having.

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 10, 12:46 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:16:26 -0400, "Will Dockery" wrote in
> <jm0cvm$od...@dont-email.me>:
>>Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> So, do you dislike Pound?
>
> >No, in spite of the fact that Ezra Pound was a bugfuck crazy Anti-Semite,
> >I've often found him to be often amusing, and an interesting storyteller,
> >here's a post I made about Pound a number of years ago:
>
> Glad you cleared that up

Indeed... heh.

> >http://www.myforumabout.com/art/poetry/re-the-will-dockery-archives-p...
>
> >----
> > From: Will Dockery
> > Subject: Ezra Pound: the cold coffee incident
> > Date: 2004-09-02 10:49:38 PST
>
> >"I had withdrawn in forest and my song
> > Was swallowed up in leaves..."
> > -Robert Frost
>
> >[from the review of "A Boy's Will" by Robert Frost]:
>
> >"I remember that I was canoeing and thirsty and I put into a shanty for
> > water and found a man who had no water and gave me cold coffee instead.
> > And he didn't understand it, he was from a minor city and he "just set
> > there watchin' the river" and didn't "seem to want to go back," and he
> > didn't care for anything else. and so I presume he entered into Anunda.
> > And I remember Joseph Campbell telling me of meeting a man on a
> > desolate waste of bogs, and he said to him, "it's rather dull here";
> > and the man said,
>
> >"Faith, ye can sit on a middan and dream stars."
>
> >And that is the essence of folk poetry with distinction between America
> > and Ireland. And Frost's book reminded me of these things..."
> > -Ezra Pound [excerpted from "Into my Own" by John Evangelest Walsh.]
> > ----
>
> >In honor of Pound and live broadcasts.

--

Music & poetry from Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Will Dockery]

[Will Dockery]

Corey wrote:
>
> I asked you,
> specifically and directly.

Okay, my honest answer is that I don't *know* what I would do, since I
don't have a "problem" like that and don't expect to.

But if I did, I guess I might do some research and see what others
that have been in a situation similar to what you describe did, which
may have been why I used Ron Paul's example, since he's currently
having similar problems.

Or maybe I'd check into what, say, Paul McCartney did when Charles
Manson took "Helter Skelter" and ran with it.

Okay, now that's an honest and direct answer for you... take it or
leave it.

--

[Aratzio]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:06:51 +0000 (UTC), in the land of

rec.arts.poems, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> got double secret
probation for writing:

>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:57:23 -0700,

>But, to be fair, I was the one who created the whole Habsburg dynasty
>in my secret Bechtel/Bush-funded laboratory.
>
>"Unir lbh jngrerq gur oenvaf gbqnl, Vtbe?"

That would be where "buggerit" came from?

[George Dance]

On Apr 9, 11:50 pm, Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 23:38:04 -0400, "Will Dockery"
> <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in <jm09vu$dq...@dont-email.me>:
>
> >Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> >> Thanks for the explanation, but I didn't get the sense PJR was jealous
> >> of anything.
>
> >PJR has a pattern of showing similar jealousy of and for the works (& fame)
> >of quite a few poets who are better poets than he could ever hope to be,
> >right offhand I can remember him demstrating this over Ginsberg, Dickinson,
> >Cohen, Hammes... and now the master poetFerlinghetti.
>
> >So, you may not agree but I have my opinion and you have yours on the
> >matter, obviously.
>
> Yes, we do.  But, PJR has always explained the reasons he dislikes
> certain poets.


Oh, sure: He doesn't like Ginsberg because (he says) Ginsberg's a
"turd" and a "pedophile". He doesn't like Dickinson because (he says)
she was "looney" and a "dyke". He doesn't like Whitman, or Poe, or
Longfellow, because all their poems are "crap."

> Constructive criticism.

Just what do you think is "constructive" about any of that?

> Isn't that what these groups
> are for?

No, I don't think the alt. poetry groups are not for dumping on
whomever you dislike. There are plenty of groups -- alt.usenet.kooks,
alt.fucknozzles, and the like -- for that sort of behavior.

> It is not written into the US Constitution that one must bow
> down before the greatness of Ginsberg,Ferlinghetti, or, for that
> matter, Dickinson.

Or immature trolls like ~PJ Ross~, either. So why are you always
kneeling to him?

>(In case you haven't noticed, I despise Dickinson's
> poetry.

I notice you liked at least some Ginsberg, though, until ~PJ~ told you
not to; then you began calling him a pedophile, too. Which, of course,
is what's next for Ferlinghetti, right?

> In college, if I required to write about Dickinson, I
> invariably received a poor grade)
>

Lots of people don't like Dickinson. Perhaps 10% or less of what she
wrote was worth publishing (same as any almost any other poet) - if
her heirs had limited themselves to publishing that 10% or less, she'd
probably have a much better reputation. Unfortunately, for reasons of
historical accident, her every word has been published, and the good
stuff is consequently hard to find. But that's not her fault, and it
doesn't mean the good stuff doesn't exist.

> So, do you dislike Pound?
>

> Discuss

Pound is someone who could have benefitted from the "10% or less" rule
even more than Dickinson. In his case, though, it was his fault, as he
wasn't dead at the time.

[Will Dockery]

Fred Hall <fkh...@databasix.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfXtuSwiDkE&feature=share&noredirect=1
>
> Lawrence Ferlinghetti - Baseball Canto

Back on topic, this is an excellent poem from the master poet Lawrence
Ferlinghetti.

Thanks for finding it, Fred.

--
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https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/347783368616990/

[Will Dockery]

Corey <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Or maybe I'd check into what, say, Paul McCartney did when Charles
> > Manson took "Helter Skelter" and ran with it.
>

> Manson never ran. Still doesn't. Manson ain't no runner. If he was,
> well, if a frog had wings, you know?

I never knew that Manson didn't run... I guess running would be
difficult under all that hair & beard, though.

[Will Dockery]

Corey wrote:
>
> When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
> music.

I always, always hear Paul McCartney and his story... slim as it is.

[Hieronymous 707]

On Apr 30, 7:49 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Corey wrote:
>
> > When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
> > music.
>
> I always, always hear Paul McCartney and his story... slim as it is.

Slim story, fat sound, whatever you want to call it, the good News, as
they say, is that the heart of rock and roll is still beating, and
from what I've seen I believe 'em. Now, the old boy may be barely
breathing, but the heart of rock and roll, THE heart of rock and roll
is still beating. Remember Baby Huey? Now THAT was one lovable
fucking duckling. LOL.

New York, New York! Is it everything they say?

[Will Dockery]

On Apr 30, 9:03 am, Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:

Have fun... I'll be working, putting a rock show together on May 5th.

[Hieronymous 707]

LOL, mad coincidence. I just got an email from one of the guys who's
putting Bonnaroo together. Great news, Maasson's got a paid
photography gig, and a great party to go to! Dad's still got a few
connections. LOL.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery  wrote:
>> Corey wrote:
>
> > > > > When you hear "Helter Skelter" do you hear music or massacre? I hear
> > > > > music.
>
> > > > I always, always hear Paul McCartney and his story... slim as it is.
>
> > > Slim story, fat sound, whatever you want to call it, the good News, as
> > > they say, is that the heart of rock and roll is still beating, and
> > > from what I've seen I believe 'em. Now, the old boy may be barely
> > > breathing, but the heart of rock and roll, THE heart of rock and roll
> > > is still beating.  Remember Baby Huey? Now THAT was one lovable
> > > fucking duckling. LOL.
>
> > > New York, New York! Is it everything they say?
>
> > Have fun... I'll be working, putting a rock show together on May 5th.
>
> LOL, mad coincidence. I just got an email from one of the guys who's
> putting Bonnaroo together. Great news, Maasson's got a paid
> photography gig, and a great party to go to! Dad's still got a few
> connections. LOL.

Congratulations to Maasson!

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I got him the gig
> through people I know.

Yeah I kinda figured that.

[Hieronymous 707]

Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.

[Will Dockery]

On May 1, 7:11 am, Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 1, 5:59 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I got him the gig
> > > through people I know.
>
> > Yeah I kinda figured that.
>

> Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.

Well you wrote it so I kinda figured it was true.

[Hieronymous 707]

You gave no indication of having any such understanding. So, what?
Just because I'm psychic I'm supposed to read your stupid fucking mind
all the time now? What the fuck is that, huh?

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I got him the gig
> > > > > through people I know.
>
> > > > Yeah I kinda figured that.
>
> > > Really? It's so hard to tell what you kinda figured sometimes. LOL.
>
> > Well you wrote it so I kinda figured it was true.
>

> You gave no indication of having any such understanding.

Sure I did... I even congratulated the kid.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 <hirunnymouse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even if I told him, "Will Dockery says congratulations on the
> Bonnaroo gig.", he wouldn't understand or appreciate your
> congratulations

Well never mind, then... consider it striken from the archives.

--
Ashes To Justice / Will Dockery & Sandy Madaris:
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11851687

[Will Dockery]

On May 2, 4:10 am, Hieronymous 707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> LOL. Yeah, right.

Best I can do... if you and your family refuse my well wishes I reckon
I'll just refrain from offering them in the future.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 wrote:
>
> Jeez, Will. For real, get over yourself. Nobody's refusing anything
> for crying out loud. You don't even know Maasson, or have any reason
> to congratulate him. You could've congratulated me, because I'm the
> one who actually did the thing, made the hookup, and because I'm the
> person you actually know, and are communicating with. But no, you
> didn't do that. Instead, you wanted me to offer a congratulation for
> you to someone who doesn't deserve one yet, at least not until he
> performs on his contract, and someone who doesn't know you from Adam.

Yeah... good thing I retracted that congratulations.

Jeeze.

[Hieronymous 707]

On May 2, 6:09 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hieronymous 707 wrote:
>
> > Jeez, Will. For real, get over yourself. Nobody's refusing anything
> > for crying out loud. You don't even know Maasson, or have any reason
> > to congratulate him. You could've congratulated me, because I'm the
> > one who actually did the thing, made the hookup, and because I'm the
> > person you actually know, and are communicating with. But no, you
> > didn't do that. Instead, you wanted me to offer a congratulation for
> > you to someone who doesn't deserve one yet, at least not until he
> > performs on his contract, and someone who doesn't know you from Adam.
>
> Yeah... good thing I retracted that congratulations.
>
> Jeeze.

Too bad you couldn't find your way to congratulating the person who
deserved it. That's telling.

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous 707 wrote:
>
> Too bad you couldn't find your way to congratulating the person who
> deserved it. That's telling.

I'm sure you read earlier where I just decided I was done with all
this.

I'm not congratulating anyone now, I retracted all my
congratulations... I found your reaction to my simple gesture
offensive.

Now I'm in favor of letting all this pass, we're done with it.

[Irkin Invader Zim]

Do you have to put up screens to keep people from throwing garbage and
eggs at you