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gzm...@gmail.com

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Oct 13, 2007, 12:27:31 AM10/13/07
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Can somebody please invite me to the box.bz :)

Very much appreciated.

Thanks

~misfit~

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Oct 13, 2007, 5:24:03 AM10/13/07
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Somewhere on the interweb "gzm...@gmail.com" typed:

> Can somebody please invite me to the box.bz :)
>
> Very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks

You're invited to thebox.biz. There you go!

Or did you need a member to invite you?
--
TTFN

Shaun.


Hammerer

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Oct 13, 2007, 3:13:08 PM10/13/07
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gzm...@gmail.com Google-posted:

> Can somebody please invite me to the box.bz :)
>
Of course they can, you silly bugger. What's to stop them? Are you
saying us TheBox.bz members can't do something simple like issue an
invite to every Google-posting twit that begs for one? I'm insulted. Really.
>
> Very much appreciated.
> Thanks
>
Hey. Helping people is what life is about.

gzm...@gmail.com

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Oct 14, 2007, 11:20:41 AM10/14/07
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Thanks people, but when I go to the site it still says I need an
Invite! ??

he...@present.c0m

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Oct 14, 2007, 11:39:04 AM10/14/07
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Get one here:

http://tinyurl.com/3dg


Hammerer

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Oct 14, 2007, 1:54:40 PM10/14/07
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gzm...@gmail.com Google-posted, completely missing the point, the twit:


Oh no! Nooooooooooo!!! It's a glitch! A gremlin! The system is
fucked-up, and we're all going to Hell! Those TheBox.bz shits. I said to
them, I said "Hey, give zmumsg an invite, or else". That's what I said.
And they've shafted us both, gznums! They've gone back on their word! If
I were you, I'd complain. I really would. Yes.

On the Road to Damascus

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Oct 15, 2007, 1:59:06 AM10/15/07
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uh, didn't need an invite when I registered yesterday.

daniela...@googlemail.com

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Nov 27, 2007, 4:49:55 PM11/27/07
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Hi

Can someone please send me an invite.

Desperately want to get some cbeebies stuff for my boy.

Unless someone can point me to a newsgroup thats good for that.

Thanks in advance


On Oct 14, 9:59 pm, On the Road to Damascus

Peter J Ross

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Nov 27, 2007, 7:39:39 PM11/27/07
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In alt.bittorrent on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:55 -0800 (PST),
daniela...@googlemail.com <daniela...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Can someone please send me an invite.
>
> Desperately want to get some cbeebies stuff for my boy.
>
> Unless someone can point me to a newsgroup thats good for that.
>
> Thanks in advance

I'm a member of thebox.bz, and I have a spare invite that none of my
friends seems to want, but I'm not going to give it to you, for these
reasons:

1. I've never heard of you before. How do I know you're not an
"anti-piracy" organisation's agent?

2. Users of thebox.bz are rightly held partly responsible for the
behaviour of the new members they invite.

3. You talk about GETTING stuff, not SHARING stuff, which suggests
that you don't understand the most basic BT principles.

4. Anybody who's clueless enough to ask for invites on Usenet is
probably also clueless enough not to read the rules carefully before
leeching 20GB without even being connectable. And then you'll WHINE in
the forums, and I'll have to read your WHINES.

Wait and hope that open registration will one day be enabled again.


--
PJR :-)

~misfit~

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Nov 28, 2007, 12:27:44 AM11/28/07
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Somewhere on teh interweb Peter J Ross typed:

LOL, well said.

> Wait and hope that open registration will one day be enabled again.

I wouldn't hold my breath. The home page says:

"Signups to the site are closed.
They will not be open again today.
They will not be open again tomorrow.
They will not be open again this week.
They will not be open next week.
Look after your account, you won't be able to get another one."

I'm happy that my ratio there is 1.4 and climbing. 6.2GB "in the bank".
--
TTFN,

Shaun.


Damon

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Nov 28, 2007, 1:56:15 PM11/28/07
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"~misfit~" <misfi...@yahoot.com.au> wrote in news:474cfc51$1
@news2.actrix.gen.nz:

> I wouldn't hold my breath. The home page says:
>
> "Signups to the site are closed.
> They will not be open again today.
> They will not be open again tomorrow.
> They will not be open again this week.
> They will not be open next week.
> Look after your account, you won't be able to get another one."
>
> I'm happy that my ratio there is 1.4 and climbing. 6.2GB "in the bank".

Mine is getting better after a shakey start
Ratio: 1.726
+15.35 GB
UL: 36.48 GB
DL: 21.13 GB
Act: 1 0
Invites: 4

DLS

tobra...@gmail.com

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Dec 10, 2007, 3:54:43 PM12/10/07
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On Nov 27, 11:27 pm, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh interweb Peter J Ross typed:
>
>
>
> > In alt.bittorrent on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:55 -0800 (PST),
> > danielagger2...@googlemail.com <danielagger2...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hi
>
> >> Can someone please send me an invite.
>
> >> Desperately want to get some cbeebies stuff for my boy.
>
> >> Unless someone can point me to a newsgroup thats good for that.
>
> >> Thanks in advance
>
> > I'm a member ofthebox.bz, and I have a spare invite that none of my

> > friends seems to want, but I'm not going to give it to you, for these
> > reasons:
>
> > 1. I've never heard of you before. How do I know you're not an
> > "anti-piracy" organisation's agent?
>
> > 2. Users ofthebox.bzare rightly held partly responsible for the

> > behaviour of the new members they invite.
>
> > 3. You talk about GETTING stuff, not SHARING stuff, which suggests
> > that you don't understand the most basic BT principles.
>
> > 4. Anybody who's clueless enough to ask for invites on Usenet is
> > probably also clueless enough not to read the rules carefully before
> > leeching 20GB without even being connectable. And then you'll WHINE in
> > the forums, and I'll have to read your WHINES.
>
> LOL, well said.
>
> > Wait and hope that open registration will one day be enabled again.
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath. The home page says:
>
> "Signups to the site are closed.
> They will not be open again today.
> They will not be open again tomorrow.
> They will not be open again this week.
> They will not be open next week.
> Look after your account, you won't be able to get another one."
>
> I'm happy that my ratio there is 1.4 and climbing. 6.2GB "in the bank".
> --
> TTFN,
>
> Shaun.

It might be worth it for them then to announce it to a person before
they download one of their torrents.

I have 300gig of stuff I want to seed, and about 75 gig I want to
have, and I can't get into TheBox.bz - (and trying to contact them is
a waste of time, smart of them not to provide a working email address.

Sounds like a rip off to me, though I wish it was otherwise.

Tobra Marie

tobra...@gmail.com

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Dec 10, 2007, 6:27:59 PM12/10/07
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On Nov 27, 11:27 pm, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh interweb Peter J Ross typed:
>
>
>
> > In alt.bittorrent on Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:49:55 -0800 (PST),
> > danielagger2...@googlemail.com <danielagger2...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hi
>
> >> Can someone please send me an invite.
>
> >> Desperately want to get some cbeebies stuff for my boy.
>
> >> Unless someone can point me to a newsgroup thats good for that.
>
> >> Thanks in advance
>
> > I'm a member ofthebox.bz, and I have a spare invite that none of my

> > friends seems to want, but I'm not going to give it to you, for these
> > reasons:
>
> > 1. I've never heard of you before. How do I know you're not an
> > "anti-piracy" organisation's agent?
>
> > 2. Users ofthebox.bzare rightly held partly responsible for the

> > behaviour of the new members they invite.
>
> > 3. You talk about GETTING stuff, not SHARING stuff, which suggests
> > that you don't understand the most basic BT principles.
>
> > 4. Anybody who's clueless enough to ask for invites on Usenet is
> > probably also clueless enough not to read the rules carefully before
> > leeching 20GB without even being connectable. And then you'll WHINE in
> > the forums, and I'll have to read your WHINES.
>
> LOL, well said.
>
> > Wait and hope that open registration will one day be enabled again.
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath. The home page says:
>
> "Signups to the site are closed.
> They will not be open again today.
> They will not be open again tomorrow.
> They will not be open again this week.
> They will not be open next week.
> Look after your account, you won't be able to get another one."
>
> I'm happy that my ratio there is 1.4 and climbing. 6.2GB "in the bank".
> --
> TTFN,
>
> Shaun.

It might be worth it for them then to announce it to a person before

Kiwi1971

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Dec 11, 2007, 8:40:48 AM12/11/07
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How is it a rip off? I have Ratio: 1.617 UL: 40.34 GB DL: 24.95
GB through careful usage
It's very easy to say "I have 300GB to share" it isn't like Limewire
where it shares anything in a designated folder. The Box doesn't
require you to share new things to get credit, it just needs you to
share what you have downloaded.

Keep trying for open registrations, when i joined I just signed up one
day to try and get 1 episode of a show they had, and was admitted.
Just pure luck that registrations were open, I hadn't even heard of
the box before then.

DLS

~misfit~

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Dec 11, 2007, 7:05:16 PM12/11/07
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Somewhere on teh interweb Kiwi1971 typed:

> On 10 Dec, 23:27, tobrama...@gmail.com wrote:
>> It might be worth it for them then to announce it to a person before
>> they download one of their torrents.
>>
>> I have 300gig of stuff I want to seed, and about 75 gig I want to
>> have, and I can't get into TheBox.bz - (and trying to contact them is
>> a waste of time, smart of them not to provide a working email
>> address.
>>
>> Sounds like a rip off to me, though I wish it was otherwise.
>
> How is it a rip off? I have Ratio: 1.617 UL: 40.34 GB DL: 24.95
> GB through careful usage
> It's very easy to say "I have 300GB to share" it isn't like Limewire
> where it shares anything in a designated folder. The Box doesn't
> require you to share new things to get credit, it just needs you to
> share what you have downloaded.
>
> Keep trying for open registrations, when i joined I just signed up one
> day to try and get 1 episode of a show they had, and was admitted.
> Just pure luck that registrations were open, I hadn't even heard of
> the box before then.

Folks might be SOOL if they intend to wait for open reg at The Box. The last
official word was it would be 2008 at the earliest before they opened again
and currently there's a members poll asking if members would like
registrations opened periodically or keep it invite-only.

Currently 54.8% of the members want it to be invite only. I'm one of them.
--
TTFN,

Shaun.


sobriquet

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Dec 12, 2007, 12:19:17 AM12/12/07
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Why is that?

Apparently, given the shutdown of many invitation-only bittorent sites
like demonoid and oink, it seems invitation-only systems offer little
protection against the copyright nazis.
I'm downloading and uploading at the piratebay now and I think it's
great they don't require an invite.
Knowledge and information should be freely accessible to everyone and
not just to people who happen to be rich or savvy about technology.

~misfit~

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Dec 12, 2007, 5:39:37 PM12/12/07
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Somewhere on teh interweb sobriquet typed:
> Why is that?
>
> Apparently, given the shutdown of many invitation-only bittorent sites
> like demonoid and oink, it seems invitation-only systems offer little
> protection against the copyright nazis.
> I'm downloading and uploading at the piratebay now and I think it's
> great they don't require an invite.
> Knowledge and information should be freely accessible to everyone and
> not just to people who happen to be rich or savvy about technology.

To answer your question; I voted for invite only as the moderators have been
complaining about the amount of time it's been taking pruning accounts and
sending out warnings. Also previously-banned users have been re-registering
when registration has been open and leeching again until they get banned,
only to repeat the process next time registration is open....

I'd rather see a small community of commited, fair minded folks then one
with a constantly rotating element who put load on the moderator's workload.

As you said, there's places like Piratebay for folks who want to hit'n run,
or even leech then seed.
--
TTFN,

Shaun.


Kiwi1971

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Dec 12, 2007, 7:34:19 PM12/12/07
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Are they mental or can they just not bring themselves to seed out of
some kind of misguided principle.

DLS

sobriquet

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Dec 12, 2007, 8:00:44 PM12/12/07
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> Shaun.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

But how are commited, fair minded folks supposed to join this
community?
If they can only join by already knowing someone who is a member of
this community, I think this severely limits the potential number of
commited, fair minded folks who are able to join and contribute to the
community.

For instance, as can be seen from my upload record on piratebay (*),
I'm fairly comitted to sharing and yet I'm unable to join invite-only
sites, simply because I don't happen to know people who are already a
member and people seem unwilling to spare me an invite despite the
fact that I can substantiate my claims about having a lot of material
available for sharing and having shared a lot of material with other
people in the past.

(*): http://thepiratebay.org/user/dohduhdah/

I think it would be more reasonable to use a kind of system on a
torrent site of privileges that users can earn by contributing/sharing
rare/new material and maybe penalties for downloading without seeding.
But basically if people are unable to join a community that means the
community is failing to exploit the full potential of p2p.
The key should be motivating people to share, but not being too strict
with them if they merely leech occasionally, as some people might be
forced to leech in certain cases by their ISP because of copyright
infringement threats.
I got threats from my ISP in the past myself and that forced me to
avoid seeding TTC videos I was downloading from demonoid, but I would
seed other stuff that appeared to be less risky to share.
But just because someone downloads something without seeding, I think
it doesn't necessarily imply that person is egocentric and only
thinking about him or herself. It can depend on many factors and I
think the community would be best served by a flexible attitude
instead of a rigid rule that people must necessarily share whatever
they download right away without allowing exceptions to that rule.

Sid Elbow

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Dec 12, 2007, 8:04:28 PM12/12/07
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Kiwi1971 wrote:

> Are they mental or can they just not bring themselves to seed out of
> some kind of misguided principle.

Or perhaps they have the dichotomy of wanting everything they see while
having a relatively low cap from their isp.

Not that I think that justifies it ... if you have a low cap, you have
to rein in your expectations.

tobra...@gmail.com

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Dec 13, 2007, 3:59:20 PM12/13/07
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Was Written:

"But how are commited, fair minded folks supposed to join this
community? If they can only join by already knowing someone who is a
member of this community, I think this severely limits the potential
number of commited, fair minded folks who are able to join and
contribute to the community."

I believe that THAT is the point, if the Only way that one can join is
at the Pleasure of someone who is already a member, by asking,
begging, dealing or getting in good with them through boards like this
one - well then those of us on the Outside had best remember our
place. We must never seek to say/do/imply anything that might annoy or
upset a member, lest we NEVER get the Chance at an invitation that is
dangled like a piece of chees at the end of a string.

Put another way - They HAVE it, we WANT it and we had better remember
to apply the three "W" (Whose to kiss, What to kiss and When to kiss
it) if we ever wish to be invited into the old boys club. (The only
thing MORE enjoyable than being able to step on someone's face, is to
watch them willingly Kneel for it in front of you.)

I've heard talk on copyright nazis, but based on some other things I
have read Here:

"Yes, I have a spare invite - but I won't give it to *you*"

TRANSLATION

"You had the nerve to post here and ASK. Do you not know that WE only
give such things to those who GROVEL before us. Kneel you dog and BEG
us, and Maaaaayyyyybeeeee Soooomdaaaay we MIGHT allow you to join us,
possibly."

WHO is it who is wearing the jackboots again?

Hell, No Wonder the curent membership doesn't want "just
anybody" (Meaning Us, the rif-raf) to be able to join. If That
happened, they would lose a good bit of power.

Now, I know that in daring to SAY any of this here, I lose my chance,
though I will Still look around other places and hope that the
moderators of the site might someday opend the boarders, but I am
afraid I've never been good at licking boots. When my boyfriends used
to give me the "F*ck or walk" choice, I walked (Unless he was cute
LOL).

Sorry for stating my honest opinion. At this point, hell, I only
wanted the damned thing for one series in particular anyway.

Go ahead and curse me now, folks.

October Marie - The Unworthy

Peter J Ross

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Dec 13, 2007, 6:16:38 PM12/13/07
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In alt.bittorrent on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:59:20 -0800 (PST),
tobra...@gmail.com <tobra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder how thebox.bz will ever hope to survive without clueless
idiots like you.

--
PJR :-)

~misfit~

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Dec 13, 2007, 7:58:21 PM12/13/07
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Somewhere on teh interweb sobriquet typed:
> On 12 dec, 23:39, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
>> To answer your question; I voted for invite only as the moderators
>> have been complaining about the amount of time it's been taking
>> pruning accounts and sending out warnings. Also previously-banned
>> users have been re-registering when registration has been open and
>> leeching again until they get banned, only to repeat the process
>> next time registration is open....
>>
>> I'd rather see a small community of commited, fair minded folks then
>> one with a constantly rotating element who put load on the
>> moderator's workload.
>>
>> As you said, there's places like Piratebay for folks who want to
>> hit'n run, or even leech then seed.
>> --
>> TTFN,
>>
>> Shaun.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>
>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>
> But how are commited, fair minded folks supposed to join this
> community?

Through perseverance and apllication (not supplication). Same way I joined
Torrent-Damage, Demonoid, TheBox, Diwana, UKNova......

> If they can only join by already knowing someone who is a member of
> this community, I think this severely limits the potential number of
> commited, fair minded folks who are able to join and contribute to the
> community.

With the current climate limiting the number of members, and thereby the
profile of a tracker can only be seen as a good thing no?

> For instance, as can be seen from my upload record on piratebay (*),
> I'm fairly comitted to sharing and yet I'm unable to join invite-only
> sites, simply because I don't happen to know people who are already a
> member and people seem unwilling to spare me an invite despite the
> fact that I can substantiate my claims about having a lot of material
> available for sharing and having shared a lot of material with other
> people in the past.

Is your material sourced from UK TV? Can you upload it faster than the
dedicated uploaders that are already doing sterling work (pun intended) at
TheBox?

If the answer is "No" to either of those questions then what you are able to
upload is useless to TheBox.

> (*): http://thepiratebay.org/user/dohduhdah/

Some interesting stuff there. Is any of it sourced from UK TV?

> I think it would be more reasonable to use a kind of system on a
> torrent site of privileges that users can earn by contributing/sharing
> rare/new material and maybe penalties for downloading without seeding.
> But basically if people are unable to join a community that means the
> community is failing to exploit the full potential of p2p.

Or it means that they have finite resources and also don't want to bring
down the wrath of the xxIA.


> The key should be motivating people to share, but not being too strict
> with them if they merely leech occasionally, as some people might be
> forced to leech in certain cases by their ISP because of copyright
> infringement threats.

Copyright infringement threats that could point to the tracker.

You speak of ideals, which are fine. However you can't expect one tracker to
fulfill all these things for you surely?

> I got threats from my ISP in the past myself and that forced me to
> avoid seeding TTC videos I was downloading from demonoid,

And Demonoid went down. Now you want to join another private tracker? Maybe
it's not a coincidence that you got warnings about your Demonoid uploads,
then Demonoid went down?

> but I would
> seed other stuff that appeared to be less risky to share.
> But just because someone downloads something without seeding, I think
> it doesn't necessarily imply that person is egocentric and only
> thinking about him or herself. It can depend on many factors and I
> think the community would be best served by a flexible attitude
> instead of a rigid rule that people must necessarily share whatever
> they download right away without allowing exceptions to that rule.

Excellent ideals for "the community". Why you seemingly want to project
these ideals on one tracker, (and perhaps bring down the wrath of IP police)
onto one tracker is odd though.

You seem to be doing well enough at The Pirate Bay. Also, they seem to have
dodged the bullet a couple times. Perhaps you should stick with them?
--
TTFN,

Shaun.


~misfit~

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Dec 13, 2007, 8:09:36 PM12/13/07
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Somewhere on teh interweb tobra...@gmail.com typed:

> Was Written:
> "But how are commited, fair minded folks supposed to join this
> community? If they can only join by already knowing someone who is a
> member of this community, I think this severely limits the potential
> number of commited, fair minded folks who are able to join and
> contribute to the community."
>
> I believe that THAT is the point, if the Only way that one can join is
> at the Pleasure of someone who is already a member, by asking,
> begging, dealing or getting in good with them through boards like this
> one - well then those of us on the Outside had best remember our
> place. We must never seek to say/do/imply anything that might annoy or
> upset a member, lest we NEVER get the Chance at an invitation that is
> dangled like a piece of chees at the end of a string.
>
> Put another way - They HAVE it, we WANT it and we had better remember
> to apply the three "W" (Whose to kiss, What to kiss and When to kiss
> it) if we ever wish to be invited into the old boys club. (The only
> thing MORE enjoyable than being able to step on someone's face, is to
> watch them willingly Kneel for it in front of you.)
>
> I've heard talk on copyright nazis, but based on some other things I
> have read Here:

And so enters Godwin's Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Seems like this discussion is over.

> "Yes, I have a spare invite - but I won't give it to *you*"
>
> TRANSLATION
>
> "You had the nerve to post here and ASK. Do you not know that WE only
> give such things to those who GROVEL before us. Kneel you dog and BEG
> us, and Maaaaayyyyybeeeee Soooomdaaaay we MIGHT allow you to join us,
> possibly."
>
> WHO is it who is wearing the jackboots again?

Gosh! Godwin to the forefront again.

> Hell, No Wonder the curent membership doesn't want "just
> anybody" (Meaning Us, the rif-raf) to be able to join. If That
> happened, they would lose a good bit of power.
>
> Now, I know that in daring to SAY any of this here, I lose my chance,
> though I will Still look around other places and hope that the
> moderators of the site might someday opend the boarders, but I am
> afraid I've never been good at licking boots. When my boyfriends used
> to give me the "F*ck or walk" choice, I walked (Unless he was cute
> LOL).
>
> Sorry for stating my honest opinion. At this point, hell, I only
> wanted the damned thing for one series in particular anyway.
>
> Go ahead and curse me now, folks.
>
> October Marie - The Unworthy

Marie, if you don't mind me offering an opinion (and really you have no
choice, you posted this on a public forum), you really have powerlessness
issues (low self-esteem using bravado as a coping mechanism for starters)
that you would probably benefit from talking to a good psychologist about. I
won't speculate about what bought you to this attitude you have, (but you
have my sincere sympathies) or how much it effects your ability to function
well in society. However, this post of yours speaks volumes about your state
of mind.

I wish you all the best,
--
Shaun.


sobriquet

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Dec 14, 2007, 2:39:56 AM12/14/07
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On 14 dec, 01:58, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
> Somewhere on teh interweb sobriquet typed:
>
> > On 12 dec, 23:39, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@yahoot.com.au> wrote:
> >> To answer your question; I voted for invite only as the moderators
> >> have been complaining about the amount of time it's been taking
> >> pruning accounts and sending out warnings. Also previously-banned
> >> users have been re-registering when registration has been open and
> >> leeching again until they get banned, only to repeat the process
> >> next time registration is open....
>
> >> I'd rather see a small community of commited, fair minded folks then
> >> one with a constantly rotating element who put load on the
> >> moderator's workload.
>
> >> As you said, there's places like Piratebay for folks who want to
> >> hit'n run, or even leech then seed.
> >> --
> >> TTFN,
>
> >> Shaun.- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> >> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>
> > But how are commited, fair minded folks supposed to join this
> > community?
>
> Through perseverance and apllication (not supplication). Same way I joined
> Torrent-Damage, Demonoid, TheBox, Diwana, UKNova......

And yet, when people apply for an invitation here, they typically get
the finger or rude insults flung at them.
Nice way to encourage people to support the community. (I'm not
accusing you, but people in general in this group.)

>
> > If they can only join by already knowing someone who is a member of
> > this community, I think this severely limits the potential number of
> > commited, fair minded folks who are able to join and contribute to the
> > community.
>
> With the current climate limiting the number of members, and thereby the
> profile of a tracker can only be seen as a good thing no?

If you think it's a good thing p2p goes down the drain, yes.

>
> > For instance, as can be seen from my upload record on piratebay (*),
> > I'm fairly comitted to sharing and yet I'm unable to join invite-only
> > sites, simply because I don't happen to know people who are already a
> > member and people seem unwilling to spare me an invite despite the
> > fact that I can substantiate my claims about having a lot of material
> > available for sharing and having shared a lot of material with other
> > people in the past.
>
> Is your material sourced from UK TV? Can you upload it faster than the
> dedicated uploaders that are already doing sterling work (pun intended) at
> TheBox?
>
> If the answer is "No" to either of those questions then what you are able to
> upload is useless to TheBox.

Well, my posting was intended as a kind of discussion of invitation
bittorrent sites in general, not thebox in particular.

>
> > (*):http://thepiratebay.org/user/dohduhdah/
>
> Some interesting stuff there. Is any of it sourced from UK TV?

That's irrelevant (if we talk about invitation bittorrent sites in
general instead of focussing on particular ones
like thebox).

>
> > I think it would be more reasonable to use a kind of system on a
> > torrent site of privileges that users can earn by contributing/sharing
> > rare/new material and maybe penalties for downloading without seeding.
> > But basically if people are unable to join a community that means the
> > community is failing to exploit the full potential of p2p.
>
> Or it means that they have finite resources and also don't want to bring
> down the wrath of the xxIA.

The wrath of the xxIA is something they will have to deal with anyway.
It
seems to me they better move to a country that at least has some
degree of independence
from the fascist police states of America, like Sweden.

>
> > The key should be motivating people to share, but not being too strict
> > with them if they merely leech occasionally, as some people might be
> > forced to leech in certain cases by their ISP because of copyright
> > infringement threats.
>
> Copyright infringement threats that could point to the tracker.
>
> You speak of ideals, which are fine. However you can't expect one tracker to
> fulfill all these things for you surely?

I was talking about trackers in general. Sorry for the confusion.

>
> > I got threats from my ISP in the past myself and that forced me to
> > avoid seeding TTC videos I was downloading from demonoid,
>
> And Demonoid went down. Now you want to join another private tracker? Maybe
> it's not a coincidence that you got warnings about your Demonoid uploads,
> then Demonoid went down?

I didn't upload the material there, I downloaded it from demonoid and
I upload it now
on piratebay. I think it's inevitable that the copyright nazis will
bring down piratebay just the same (they already brought it down for a
short while).
It's not a question of whether or not it will happen, but when it will
happen.

>
> > but I would
> > seed other stuff that appeared to be less risky to share.
> > But just because someone downloads something without seeding, I think
> > it doesn't necessarily imply that person is egocentric and only
> > thinking about him or herself. It can depend on many factors and I
> > think the community would be best served by a flexible attitude
> > instead of a rigid rule that people must necessarily share whatever
> > they download right away without allowing exceptions to that rule.
>
> Excellent ideals for "the community". Why you seemingly want to project
> these ideals on one tracker, (and perhaps bring down the wrath of IP police)
> onto one tracker is odd though.
>
> You seem to be doing well enough at The Pirate Bay. Also, they seem to have
> dodged the bullet a couple times. Perhaps you should stick with them?

The issue for me is that there seems to be little material on the
piratebay to expand my collection.
At demonoid there was often new material available so I could
continually expand my collection.
I'm at thebox.bz now (I didn't even need an invite) and it seems there
is some interesting material there, but not the sort of stuff I'm
after in particular (primarily educational stuff like ttc videos and
tutorial videos from lynda, vtc, ..).

~misfit~

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I support that attitude personally. A lot of private sites hold you
responsible for the people you invite. There's no way you can know that some
random invite-beggar is going to be a good upstanding member of the
community. The inviter could lose their account due to misguided
generousity. Most sites warn you about it. From TheBox's page:

"DO NOT SELL OR TRADE INVITES
DO NOT INVITE PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW"

Can't be much clearer than that huh?

>>> If they can only join by already knowing someone who is a member of
>>> this community, I think this severely limits the potential number of
>>> commited, fair minded folks who are able to join and contribute to
>>> the community.
>>
>> With the current climate limiting the number of members, and thereby
>> the profile of a tracker can only be seen as a good thing no?
>
> If you think it's a good thing p2p goes down the drain, yes.

That's not only a huge leap to make but also wrong.

>>> For instance, as can be seen from my upload record on piratebay (*),
>>> I'm fairly comitted to sharing and yet I'm unable to join
>>> invite-only sites, simply because I don't happen to know people who
>>> are already a member and people seem unwilling to spare me an
>>> invite despite the fact that I can substantiate my claims about
>>> having a lot of material available for sharing and having shared a
>>> lot of material with other people in the past.
>>
>> Is your material sourced from UK TV? Can you upload it faster than
>> the dedicated uploaders that are already doing sterling work (pun
>> intended) at TheBox?
>>
>> If the answer is "No" to either of those questions then what you are
>> able to upload is useless to TheBox.
>
> Well, my posting was intended as a kind of discussion of invitation
> bittorrent sites in general, not thebox in particular.

Then perhaps it shouldn't be in a thread with the subject "TheBox.bz"?

>>> (*):http://thepiratebay.org/user/dohduhdah/
>>
>> Some interesting stuff there. Is any of it sourced from UK TV?
>
> That's irrelevant (if we talk about invitation bittorrent sites in
> general instead of focussing on particular ones
> like thebox).

See above.

Which is a damn good reason to keep trackers small and below the radar as
much as possible. Both Demonoid and The Piratebay were/are big and
well-known. Good targets to 'get the message out there'.

>>> but I would
>>> seed other stuff that appeared to be less risky to share.
>>> But just because someone downloads something without seeding, I
>>> think it doesn't necessarily imply that person is egocentric and
>>> only thinking about him or herself. It can depend on many factors
>>> and I think the community would be best served by a flexible
>>> attitude instead of a rigid rule that people must necessarily share
>>> whatever they download right away without allowing exceptions to
>>> that rule.
>>
>> Excellent ideals for "the community". Why you seemingly want to
>> project these ideals on one tracker, (and perhaps bring down the
>> wrath of IP police) onto one tracker is odd though.
>>
>> You seem to be doing well enough at The Pirate Bay. Also, they seem
>> to have dodged the bullet a couple times. Perhaps you should stick
>> with them?
>
> The issue for me is that there seems to be little material on the
> piratebay to expand my collection.
> At demonoid there was often new material available so I could
> continually expand my collection.
> I'm at thebox.bz now (I didn't even need an invite) and it seems there
> is some interesting material there, but not the sort of stuff I'm
> after in particular (primarily educational stuff like ttc videos and
> tutorial videos from lynda, vtc, ..).

Yeah, I haven't found anything like Demonoid either. I miss it heaps. Such
is life.
--
TTFN,

Shaun.


Syncer

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Jan 12, 2008, 7:47:59 PM1/12/08
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> don't want to bring
> down the wrath of the xxIA.

So you exclude so many members until this private little thing is so
uninteresting and limited that the xxIA doesn't even care about you.

This has next to nothing to do with P2P. It's an imitation of the scene.

Syncer

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Jan 12, 2008, 7:51:48 PM1/12/08
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> Thanks people, but when I go to the site it still says I need an
> Invite! ??

He was making fun of you. This is typical behaviour of leet private site
members towards newbs that seek to have part.

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