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softbank

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Oct 12, 2007, 3:36:50 AM10/12/07
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Or is it more accurate to call it an Outside Job? Or a Zionist Job?

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Zion-Summary.html

softbank

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Oct 12, 2007, 3:41:08 AM10/12/07
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How can the military accidently mishandle 6 nuclear bombs?
Was it a failed attempt at a "nuclear 9/11"?

http://erichufschmid.net/Hufschmid-11Oct2007.html

http://erichufschmid.net/mp3/Hufschmid-11Oct2007.mp3

Bob Downonit

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Oct 13, 2007, 8:49:23 PM10/13/07
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On 2007-10-12 03:36:50 -0400, "softbank" <bb...@net.com> said:

> Or is it more accurate to call it an Outside Job? Or a Zionist Job?
>
> http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Zion-Summary.html


How about a Blow Job?

Get over it, there is NO conspiracy about 911.

veritas

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Oct 13, 2007, 11:58:10 PM10/13/07
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I believe that there is a conspiracy to conceive, and give birth to a
conspiracy theory on 9/11 so the vultures can get their pound of flesh
by making "documentaries", and writing books about a non-existant
conspiracy. So in a way, there is a conspiracy about 9/11. A
conspiracy to make a conspiracy up. There has to be a name for that.
Ken

Gallows Cheater

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Oct 14, 2007, 5:09:03 AM10/14/07
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Bob Downonit wrote:

4 airplanes spontaneously went off course and crashed. Three of them
hitting the ostensibly best protected targets on the planet? You
coincidence theorists are truly wacko!
--
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thousand "1st amendment" types jumping to the guy's defense, giving you a
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Bob Downonit

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Oct 14, 2007, 9:16:46 AM10/14/07
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On 2007-10-14 05:09:03 -0400, Gallows Cheater <swin...@gallows.pole> said:

> Bob Downonit wrote:
>
>> On 2007-10-12 03:36:50 -0400, "softbank" <bb...@net.com> said:
>>
>>> Or is it more accurate to call it an Outside Job? Or a Zionist Job?
>>>
>>> http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Zion-Summary.html
>>
>>
>> How about a Blow Job?
>>
>> Get over it, there is NO conspiracy about 911.
>
> 4 airplanes spontaneously went off course and crashed. Three of them
> hitting the ostensibly best protected targets on the planet? You
> coincidence theorists are truly wacko!


The trade towers were not the best protected. They had NO special
protection at all as a matter of fact. Those scumbags PLANNED the
attacks out. There was nothing last minute about it.

veritas

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Oct 14, 2007, 2:06:07 PM10/14/07
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There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
--
"Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com

Miditek

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Oct 14, 2007, 2:21:51 PM10/14/07
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"veritas" <khog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 14, 4:09 am, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>> Bob Downonit wrote:
>> > On 2007-10-12 03:36:50 -0400, "softbank" <bb...@net.com> said:
>>
>> >> Or is it more accurate to call it an Outside Job? Or a Zionist Job?


Silence of the Sheeple.

http://www.erichufschmid.net/video/Silence-of-the-Sheeple.wmv

cyril

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Oct 14, 2007, 2:50:14 PM10/14/07
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>
> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
> --
> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>

How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened."

Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one that we tried to take back over

veritas

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Oct 14, 2007, 11:05:04 PM10/14/07
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Sounds biblical? Have you been in many churches? They argue about
the size of Jesus' feet, and that is just the start. The pastors and
deacons don't agree on anything except the collection needs to be
bigger next week. "Glad to read that you made it out safely-" Don't
know what you meant by that. I wasn't there, but I saw it live as did
millions of others. People saw the plane crash into the ground. What
do you want? Written statements from the people who died? There is
nothing to discuss, if you disagree, speak up, don't be shy. That is
what this is all about. Ken

cyril

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Oct 15, 2007, 1:46:17 AM10/15/07
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>"There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened."
>
This is the way it is. No argument. Holy writ. Laws given from on high. Anyone disagreeing is a
heretic and will be burned in hell for ever more. etc

(I'm not listening. <Hands over ears.>)

>"...except for the one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>

> What do you want? Written statements from the people who died?

Looks like a written statement from someone who was there.

veritas

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Oct 16, 2007, 12:16:19 AM10/16/07
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Again, what is your point? Don't be shy. Do you have something to
say that conradicts what I said? I saw it all, didn't you? I
listened to the eye witnesses to the crash into the ground, didn't
you? What else is there to say? I know what I saw, I know what the
people there witnessed. People are trying to make up conspiracy
theories to make money. Vultures. Unless you know of some facts we
can see that shows different. If you do why do you not tell the
government, or us so we will be as well informed as you seem to think
you are. Well? Ken

Gallows Cheater

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Oct 16, 2007, 4:38:56 AM10/16/07
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cyril wrote:

Other than the fact that all of the evidence indicating in the final seconds
of flight of each of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems.
Now, perhaps it was Allah at the controls, but I suspect it was more likely
by way of deception.

parr...@yahoo.com

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Oct 16, 2007, 4:42:07 AM10/16/07
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On 16 Okt, 10:38, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
> cyril wrote:
>
> >> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
> >> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
> >> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
> >> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
> >> --
> >> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> >> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> >> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>
> > How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to discuss, that
> > is what happened."
>
> > Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one that we
> > tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>
> Other than the fact that all of the evidence

What evidence is that then, Jason?

> indicating in the final seconds of flight of each of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems.

Stupid kook.


Gallows Cheater

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Oct 16, 2007, 5:23:31 AM10/16/07
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parr...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On 16 Okt, 10:38, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>> cyril wrote:
>>
>> >> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
>> >> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
>> >> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
>> >> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
>> >> --
>> >> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
>> >> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
>> >> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>>
>> > How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to discuss,
>> > that is what happened."
>>
>> > Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one that
>> > we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>>
>> Other than the fact that all of the evidence
>
> What evidence is that then, Jason?

My name isn't Jason.

>> indicating in the final seconds of flight of each of the aircraft points
>> to automated guidance systems.
>
> Stupid kook.

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parr...@yahoo.com

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Oct 16, 2007, 5:28:42 AM10/16/07
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On 16 Okt, 11:23, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:

> parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On 16 Okt, 10:38, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
> >> cyril wrote:
>
> >> >> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
> >> >> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
> >> >> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
> >> >> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
> >> >> --
> >> >> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> >> >> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> >> >> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>
> >> > How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to discuss,
> >> > that is what happened."
>
> >> > Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one that
> >> > we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>
> >> Other than the fact that all of the evidence
>
> > What evidence is that then, Jason?
>
> My name isn't Jason.

..and you don't have any evidence..

>
> >> indicating in the final seconds of flight of each of the aircraft points
> >> to automated guidance systems.
>
> > Stupid kook.
>
> --
> SSGG - When somebody talks of shutting them down, you get three hundred
> thousand "1st amendment" types jumping to the guy's defense, giving you a

> class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis Universityhttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -


Gallows Cheater

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Oct 16, 2007, 8:17:47 AM10/16/07
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parr...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On 16 Okt, 11:23, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>> parri...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On 16 Okt, 10:38, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>> >> cyril wrote:
>>
>> >> >> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim
>> >> >> radicals took over the planes and crashed them into buildings,
>> >> >> except for the one that we tried to take back over and it crashed
>> >> >> into the ground.
>> >> >> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
>> >> >> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act
>> >> >> upon
>> >> >> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>>
>> >> > How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to
>> >> > discuss, that is what happened."
>>
>> >> > Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one
>> >> > that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>>
>> >> Other than the fact that all of the evidence
>>
>> > What evidence is that then, Jason?
>>
>> My name isn't Jason.
>
> ..and you don't have any evidence..

I know what my birth certificate says.

>>
>> >> indicating in the final seconds of flight of each of the aircraft
>> >> points to automated guidance systems.
>>
>> > Stupid kook.

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/09/mubaraks-911-critique.html

parr...@yahoo.com

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Oct 16, 2007, 9:15:36 AM10/16/07
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You haven't shown much aptitude for deductive reasoining so far..
So, what's this evidence that "points to automated guidance systems"?

<crickets>

Al Dykes

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Oct 16, 2007, 10:21:59 AM10/16/07
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In article <0IOdna67S8U85Yna...@speakeasy.net>,

Gallows Cheater <swin...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>cyril wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
>>> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
>>> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
>>> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
>>> --
>>> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
>>> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
>>> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>>>
>>
>> How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to discuss, that
>> is what happened."
>>
>> Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one that we
>> tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>
>Other than the fact that all of the evidence indicating in the final seconds
>of flight of each of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems.
>Now, perhaps it was Allah at the controls, but I suspect it was more likely
>by way of deception.


"all of the evidence "

Any of the evidence?

----
I have added a couple items here. If it's been a while since
you looked at any of these, take another look.

Anyone that hasn't seen Ground Zero in NYC and the "Truth Movement"
kooks that hang out there should look at the first three videos. The
others should be required viewing by anyone that has an opinion about
9/11 and WTC or has never been to NYC.


Ground Zero 911 Conspiracy Wars by Ray Rivera http://rayrivera.net
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4162315283354424113

The Ground Zeros by Mark Roberts
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5004042232637229146&hl=en

WTC Ground Zero 9/11/2007 Sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2LeCXXIjo

Les Jamieson and others of NY911Truth.org disparages the FDNY
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ny911truth.orgmembersdisparagethefdnyatg

How famous Truth Movement people repond to unfortunate truths that
show them for what they are
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt

The Naudet Film about 9/11 at WTC
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet

Marks's collapse video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2083421624495848233&hl=en

"The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450

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veritas

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Oct 16, 2007, 2:44:47 PM10/16/07
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> class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis Universityhttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, the jet flying upside down into the ground. No doubt a a
automated guidance system. I land like that all the time. Are you a
jet pilot? I know jet pilots, the final seconds of flight of each
aircraft points to exactly the opposite. Otherwise they would have
hit square instead of a little off to the side. I know fighter jet
pilots who say it is obvious there were people piloting those planes
who knew damn little about flying. So here we go, like Kennedy. The
vultures take over to get their pound of flesh by making money off of
lies and anything to make it look like a mystery. That is all crap.
Ken

veritas

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Oct 16, 2007, 2:46:55 PM10/16/07
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> Stupid kook.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The pilots I spoke with said it was apparent that someone who didn't
know much about flying were at the controls of all. Except of course
the plane that crashed upside down. It was obviously under a
automatic guidance system. What a load of crap. Ken

veritas

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Oct 16, 2007, 2:48:35 PM10/16/07
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On Oct 16, 4:23 am, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
> class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis Universityhttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Not according to people who fly jets everyday. But what do they
know? They only fly commerical and fighter jets daily. I'm sure you
know more than them. Get real, stop this crap. Ken

veritas

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Oct 16, 2007, 2:56:09 PM10/16/07
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> > class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis Universityhttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm-Dölj citerad text -
>
> > - Visa citerad text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't think "evidence" or lack thereof bothers this fellow much. He
wants to make up a interesting story. Write a fiction book, but hey,
take a small plane up and see how easy it is to actually hit what you
are aiming at. Then come back and tell us. Oh, wait, you couldn't,
if you hit it. Oh, well. Ken

george

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Oct 16, 2007, 3:25:02 PM10/16/07
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On Oct 16, 9:38 pm, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:

> Other than the fact that all of the evidence indicating in the final seconds
> of flight of each of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems.
> Now, perhaps it was Allah at the controls, but I suspect it was more likely
> by way of deception.

It was a mad muslim intent upon killing itself and all those in the
aircraft who was at the controls.


veritas

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Oct 16, 2007, 3:29:48 PM10/16/07
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On Oct 16, 9:21 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> In article <0IOdna67S8U85YnanZ2dnUVZ_u7in...@speakeasy.net>,
> Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Can you believe what idiots these conspiracy nuts are? Not a shred of
proof. In fact, pilots, engineers, building construction experts,
metal experts all have debunked all their claims and still they
persist. Unbelieveable. Ken

veritas

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Oct 17, 2007, 2:47:22 AM10/17/07
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One of the very few sane replys on this forum. Gentlemen, this man
knows the truth. Ken

cyril

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Oct 17, 2007, 10:33:56 AM10/17/07
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Obviously he is in complete agreement with you.

parr...@yahoo.com

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Oct 17, 2007, 10:45:19 AM10/17/07
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I suspect it is mainly because he hasn't made assertions like

"all of the evidence indicating in the final seconds of flight of each
of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems"

Without actually providing any of this "evidence" he mentions...
Do you happen to know what this "evidence" is?

cyril

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Oct 17, 2007, 12:12:38 PM10/17/07
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No problem with "One of the very few sane replys on this forum." and "Ken".

I question "Gentlemen, this man knows the truth."

joe

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Oct 17, 2007, 12:32:29 PM10/17/07
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> Other than the fact that all of the evidence indicating in the final
> seconds
> of flight of each of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems.
> Now, perhaps it was Allah at the controls, but I suspect it was more
> likely by way of deception.

Agreed.

9/11 Planes Flew Directly into Secure Computer Rooms
in Both Towers :

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bollyn-Fuji-WTC.html

george

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Oct 17, 2007, 3:00:15 PM10/17/07
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All he has to do is go onto any of the aviation groups and make that
claim.
His reception would be one to watch as he is corrected by them as
drive the 'heavy metal'.
And those who just fly for fun and transport wouldn't be any less
scathing of that silly claim

veritas

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Oct 17, 2007, 4:43:10 PM10/17/07
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No, he is simply facing the truth and saying so. Though it is not
interesting, nothing to "explore". Like the sun comes up every
morning. It is simply the truth. The truth really does not give a
damn what you, I, or anyone else thinks. It just IS. Ken


--
"Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish

according our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon it."
- Ken www.veritasnovel.com

veritas

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Oct 17, 2007, 5:10:03 PM10/17/07
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If I knew what evidence he is talking about I would say what it was.
One of my pilot buddies told me that it is just as likely the jet
could have overshot the pentagon as hit it as even coming in low,
being inexpericienced, he could have misjudged the height. That is
the only thing I know that he could be talking about. Of the others,
I know of no evidence of any kind, as you can see they were not flying
in an orderly manner. Or so my buddies said. I don't know how to fly,
but have taken the controls of a twin engine, and it takes a while to
get a "feel" for straight and level. Up and down was a problem for
me, even then. You have a tendency to dip. Ken

B-o-B

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Oct 18, 2007, 1:29:25 AM10/18/07
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The Kook's did not mention my favorite one. This makes me sad. The
best one I heard yet goes as follows (for the trade towers):
terrorists (of course bank rolled by the USA) take over plane
subdue passengers, and take control
while flying to target, each terrorist dresses in flame retardant suits.
plane crash, terrorists survive (with help from special suits)
terrorists exit plane, and take stairs to basement
basement is preloaded with explosives
terrorists detonate explosives

End Communication. .. .

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george

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Oct 18, 2007, 3:25:52 PM10/18/07
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On Oct 18, 10:10 am, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If I knew what evidence he is talking about I would say what it was.
> One of my pilot buddies told me that it is just as likely the jet
> could have overshot the pentagon as hit it as even coming in low,
> being inexpericienced, he could have misjudged the height.

Pilots can judge where they are going to land by looking for the
'spot' on the ground that doesn't move.
That is where they are going to touch down.
Much used by ag pilots....
Also when flying if another aircraft stays in the same position in
the wind shield you are going to collide


Choam Nomsky

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Oct 14, 2007, 6:28:32 PM10/14/07
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It was 100% GW Bush who orchestrated it, Cheney planned it out with him and
their gang of croneys are reaping the financial rewards, as planned.

So bloody obvious if you actually take the flag off your head and look,
ignorance is not bliss.


"veritas" <khog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192385167.3...@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 14, 4:09 am, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>> Bob Downonit wrote:
>> > On 2007-10-12 03:36:50 -0400, "softbank" <bb...@net.com> said:
>>
>> >> Or is it more accurate to call it an Outside Job? Or a Zionist Job?
>>
>> >>http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Zion-Summary.html
>>
>> > How about a Blow Job?
>>
>> > Get over it, there is NO conspiracy about 911.
>>
>> 4 airplanes spontaneously went off course and crashed. Three of them
>> hitting the ostensibly best protected targets on the planet? You
>> coincidence theorists are truly wacko!


>> --
>> SSGG - When somebody talks of shutting them down, you get three hundred
>> thousand "1st amendment" types jumping to the guy's defense, giving you a
>> class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis
>> Universityhttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.htm
>

> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
> --
> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>

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Choam Nomsky

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Oct 17, 2007, 6:21:34 PM10/17/07
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test

veritas

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Oct 19, 2007, 12:31:21 AM10/19/07
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On Oct 14, 5:28 pm, "Choam Nomsky" <Bubbbbbb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It was 100% GW Bush who orchestrated it, Cheney planned it out with him and
> their gang of croneys are reaping the financial rewards, as planned.
>
> So bloody obvious if you actually take the flag off your head and look,
> ignorance is not bliss.
>
> "veritas" <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Let me get this straight now, the Bushes, with the help of Cheney in
order to make money, so the Bushes Saudi deals and Halliburton could
make a lot of money they did TWC. That is just about the dumbest
thing I have heard. These people, who have millions to begin with
would plan to have Saudi men hijack planes crash them into buildings
killing thousands of Americans and have Laden take credit for it so
they could make some more money? If you would use some logic, you
would see, that is just dumb. I suppose they blew up our embassy? I
suppose they tried and failed to bring a tower down in '93? I suppose
these men do not love and cherish their country as the rest of us do?
The Muslim radicals found our responses weak when Clinton was in
office and wanted to show the world we were weak-willed, and not
nearly as powerful as we seemed. It didn't work. But Bush and
Cheney, huh? I suppose you have evidence we can all see to back this
story up. Or, would you label it fiction? That is where it belongs.
Along with Roosevelt knowing the Japanese were going to strike Pearl.
I can think of a half dozen easier way to get us into a invasion of
the Middle East than that. I assure you Bush and Cheney could as
well. Just as Roosevelt could have. Conspire to make a conspiracy.
Vultures after money is all you are. Ken

veritas

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Oct 19, 2007, 1:17:14 AM10/19/07
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On Oct 17, 5:21 pm, "Choam Nomsky" <Bubbbbbb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> test
>
> "veritas" <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Did the test work? Ken

Sara Salzman

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Oct 19, 2007, 6:50:18 AM10/19/07
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In article <1192768281.2...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
veritas <khog...@yahoo.com> wrote:

And the Jews. Don't forget the Jews.

Of course, now that we know that Obama and Cheney are distantly related,
I suppose we can assume that Obama (and therefore by extension ALL
blacks) were in on the deal as well.

>That is just about the dumbest
> thing I have heard. These people, who have millions to begin with
> would plan to have Saudi men hijack planes crash them into buildings
> killing thousands of Americans and have Laden take credit for it so
> they could make some more money? If you would use some logic, you
> would see, that is just dumb. I suppose they blew up our embassy? I
> suppose they tried and failed to bring a tower down in '93? I suppose
> these men do not love and cherish their country as the rest of us do?
> The Muslim radicals found our responses weak when Clinton was in
> office and wanted to show the world we were weak-willed, and not
> nearly as powerful as we seemed. It didn't work. But Bush and
> Cheney, huh? I suppose you have evidence we can all see to back this
> story up. Or, would you label it fiction? That is where it belongs.
> Along with Roosevelt knowing the Japanese were going to strike Pearl.
> I can think of a half dozen easier way to get us into a invasion of
> the Middle East than that. I assure you Bush and Cheney could as
> well. Just as Roosevelt could have. Conspire to make a conspiracy.
> Vultures after money is all you are. Ken
> --
> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com

--
Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
-Lenny Bruce

BDK

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Oct 19, 2007, 12:34:47 PM10/19/07
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In article <47128c1a$0$26476$8826...@free.teranews.com>,
Bubbb...@hotmail.com says...

Stupidity is never something to brag about, or display, "Choam".

BDK

John P.

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Oct 20, 2007, 10:02:43 PM10/20/07
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"Choam Nomsky" <Bubbb...@hotmail.com> wrote in a message

> It was 100% GW Bush who orchestrated it, Cheney planned it out with him
> and their gang of croneys are reaping the financial rewards, as planned.
>
> So bloody obvious if you actually take the flag off your head and look,
> ignorance is not bliss.

Good point. GW is a military genius! Everything he and Cheney do is done
with perfect military precision. They'd have no problem pulling off
something as simple as 9/11.

Look at the awesome job they're doing in Iraq!


Richard Warren

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"John P." <Jo...@youreatowel.com> wrote in message
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No, no, no. If Bush and Cheney had pulled off the 9/11 job, the planes
would have crashed into New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.


joseph

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Oct 21, 2007, 8:46:14 PM10/21/07
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"veritas" <khog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192768281.2...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Let me get this straight now, the Bushes, with the help of Cheney in
> order to make money, so the Bushes Saudi deals and Halliburton could
> make a lot of money they did TWC. That is just about the dumbest
> thing I have heard. These people, who have millions to begin with
> would plan to have Saudi men hijack planes crash them into buildings
> killing thousands of Americans and have Laden take credit for it so
> they could make some more money? If you would use some logic, you
> would see, that is just dumb. I suppose they blew up our embassy? I
> suppose they tried and failed to bring a tower down in '93? I suppose
> these men do not love and cherish their country as the rest of us do?
> The Muslim radicals found our responses weak when Clinton was in
> office and wanted to show the world we were weak-willed, and not
> nearly as powerful as we seemed. It didn't work. But Bush and
> Cheney, huh? I suppose you have evidence we can all see to back this
> story up. Or, would you label it fiction? That is where it belongs.
> Along with Roosevelt knowing the Japanese were going to strike Pearl.
> I can think of a half dozen easier way to get us into a invasion of
> the Middle East than that. I assure you Bush and Cheney could as
> well. Just as Roosevelt could have. Conspire to make a conspiracy.
> Vultures after money is all you are. Ken
> --

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares


joseph

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Oct 21, 2007, 8:53:38 PM10/21/07
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Fuck all this bullshit.

Watch the "September Clues" series. They show how the plane attacks were a
government/media hoax.

http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice

Also on youtube.

--
"When criminals have unlimited access to instruments of mass persuasion,
solid proofs of their crimes are hard to expose."


joseph

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Oct 22, 2007, 6:27:40 PM10/22/07
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"John P." <Jo...@youreatowel.com> wrote in message
news:BP6dnXXzS7uqLofa...@comcast.com...

If they'd done the 'job' right they couldn't further the agenda as planned.

Think.


veritas

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Oct 22, 2007, 10:33:06 PM10/22/07
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I can't believe that any of you know completely nothing of building
high rise buildings and how it is not only possible, but very likely
the nose would go straight through the building and not be damaged.
Notice that it didn't come out though. The rest of the airplane
exploded inside and all the passengers, crew, and hijackers were
killed. Were they imaginary as well? Ken

animal05

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:07:18 PM10/22/07
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Troofer ignorance at its finest

joseph

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:13:25 PM10/22/07
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"veritas" <khog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193106786.3...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 21, 7:53 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>> Fuck all this bullshit.
>>
>> Watch the "September Clues" series. They show how the plane attacks were
>> a
>> government/media hoax.
>>
>> http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice
>>
>> Also on youtube.
>>
>> --
>> "When criminals have unlimited access to instruments of mass persuasion,
>> solid proofs of their crimes are hard to expose."
>
> I can't believe that any of you know completely nothing of building
> high rise buildings and how it is not only possible, but very likely
> the nose would go straight through the building and not be damaged.
> Notice that it didn't come out though.

I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of aluminum
Alloy could not slice through steel frames.

> The rest of the airplane exploded inside and all the passengers, crew, and
> hijackers were
> killed. Were they imaginary as well?

I dunno, good question.

As it says in part 6: "since the airplanes' very existence is in doubt, the
fate of their passengers deserves a seperate investigation".


joseph

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:16:17 PM10/22/07
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"animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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fear


Vandar

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:19:33 PM10/22/07
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joseph wrote:

Ok... Troofer fear at its finest.

joseph

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:21:22 PM10/22/07
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"Vandar" <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9LdTi.19513$ya1....@news02.roc.ny...

no, your fear that it might actually be true.

animal05

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:24:13 PM10/22/07
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joseph wrote:

Correct, troofers fear the facts

animal05

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:25:02 PM10/22/07
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joseph wrote:

No, troofers fear facts

joseph

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:25:24 PM10/22/07
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"animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:IaadndkJKfDH9IDa...@wideopenwest.com...

what "facts"?


george

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:37:15 PM10/22/07
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On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:

> I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of aluminum
> Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>

And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..


> As it says in part 6: "since the airplanes' very existence is in doubt, the
> fate of their passengers deserves a seperate investigation".

You want to tell those relatives of the victims that their loved ones
didn't die?
And then explain how that happened...

Four airliners were hijacked by mad muslims and three were crashed
into structures while the fourth crashed into a field...

tonebooz

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:41:58 PM10/22/07
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ignorance is bliss. if you don't question the official story then you
can go on smiling and loading up them guns.....[need help building that
deck?]

daddy gov'ment could never do this to its own kiddies, why would they?

i don't see how they could benefit from such an atrocious act

had to be dem sand niggers who can't stand us for our freedom and way of
life.


joseph

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:46:10 PM10/22/07
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"george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
news:1193110635.0...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
>> aluminum
>> Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>>
> And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
> Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..

right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.

>
>> As it says in part 6: "since the airplanes' very existence is in doubt,
>> the
>> fate of their passengers deserves a seperate investigation".
>
> You want to tell those relatives of the victims that their loved ones
> didn't die?
> And then explain how that happened...

ok, can you reach them all? I promise to speak with them.

animal05

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:46:37 PM10/22/07
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Which means troofers must be happier than pigs in shit.

>if you don't question the official story then you
> can go on smiling and loading up them guns.....[need help building that
> deck?]
>
> daddy gov'ment could never do this to its own kiddies, why would they?
>
> i don't see how they could benefit from such an atrocious act
>
> had to be dem sand niggers who can't stand us for our freedom and way of
> life.

Poor troofer, must be hell going through life looking over your shoulder
wondering when the government is coming to get you.


>
>
>
>

animal05

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:49:47 PM10/22/07
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joseph wrote:

> "george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
> news:1193110635.0...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>>On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
>>>aluminum
>>>Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>>>
>>
>>And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
>>Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..
>
>
> right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.

THe only people that are claiming it didn't are troofers trying to fit
their conclusion to made of facts/

tonebooz

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Oct 22, 2007, 11:50:59 PM10/22/07
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i sleep fine actually..... we have more in common than you think.

I'm doing pretty good in the market right now :))

Difference is I know how it's all gonna end :)


joseph

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Oct 23, 2007, 12:06:23 AM10/23/07
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"animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:WsOdnepwBbDF8oDa...@wideopenwest.com...

> joseph wrote:
>
>> "george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
>> news:1193110635.0...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
>>>>aluminum
>>>>Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>>>>
>>>
>>>And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
>>>Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..
>>
>>
>> right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.
>
> THe only people that are claiming it didn't are troofers trying to fit
> their conclusion to made of facts/
>

huh? the fox and cnn shots show the nose going all the way through! It's
simply not possible

Read this
http://911logic.blogspot.com/2006/11/911-tv-fakery-whistleblower-pinocchio.html

Don't you see the anomolies, contradictions, improbable events...?


Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 12:10:31 AM10/23/07
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joseph wrote:

No fear here. It is impossible for it to be true.

Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 12:12:59 AM10/23/07
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tonebooz wrote:

Questioning the "official story" (whatever that is) and claiming "9/11
was an inside job" are two completely different things.

Troofers don't question the government, they sell lies.

Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 12:14:43 AM10/23/07
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joseph wrote:

> "animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:WsOdnepwBbDF8oDa...@wideopenwest.com...
>
>>joseph wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1193110635.0...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
>>>>>aluminum
>>>>>Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
>>>>Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..
>>>
>>>
>>>right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.
>>
>>THe only people that are claiming it didn't are troofers trying to fit
>>their conclusion to made of facts/
>>
>
>
> huh? the fox and cnn shots show the nose going all the way through! It's
> simply not possible

Great diagnosis, Dr Frist.

joseph

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Oct 23, 2007, 12:27:53 AM10/23/07
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"Vandar" <vand...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:TyeTi.19659$B25....@news01.roc.ny...

It's not about posting analytical diatribe to try and convince you...it's
not about debating egos. All the research is out there for you to look at
yourself if you really want to.

tonebooz

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:49:11 AM10/23/07
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veritas wrote:
> On Oct 16, 9:21 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>> In article <0IOdna67S8U85YnanZ2dnUVZ_u7in...@speakeasy.net>,
>> Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> cyril wrote:
>>>>> There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
>>>>> took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
>>>>> one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
>>>>> There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
>>>>> --
>>>>> "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
>>>>> according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
>>>>> it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>>>> How profound. Sounds so very biblical - "There is nothing to discuss, that
>>>> is what happened."
>>>> Glad to read that you made it out safely - "...except for the one that we
>>>> tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground."
>>> Other than the fact that all of the evidence indicating in the final seconds
>>> of flight of each of the aircraft points to automated guidance systems.
>>> Now, perhaps it was Allah at the controls, but I suspect it was more likely
>>> by way of deception.
>> "all of the evidence "
>>
>> Any of the evidence?
>>
>> ----
>> I have added a couple items here. If it's been a while since
>> you looked at any of these, take another look.
>>
>> Anyone that hasn't seen Ground Zero in NYC and the "Truth Movement"
>> kooks that hang out there should look at the first three videos. The
>> others should be required viewing by anyone that has an opinion about
>> 9/11 and WTC or has never been to NYC.
>>
>> Ground Zero 911 Conspiracy Wars by Ray Rivera http://rayrivera.net
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4162315283354424113
>>
>> The Ground Zeros by Mark Roberts
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5004042232637229146&hl=en
>>
>> WTC Ground Zero 9/11/2007 Sad.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2LeCXXIjo
>>
>> Les Jamieson and others of NY911Truth.org disparages the FDNY
>> http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/ny911truth.orgmembersdisparagethefdnyatg
>>
>> How famous Truth Movement people repond to unfortunate truths that
>> show them for what they are
>> http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt
>>
>> The Naudet Film about 9/11 at WTC
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet
>>
>> Marks's collapse video
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2083421624495848233&hl=en
>>
>> "The 9 - 11 Conspiracies - Fact or Fiction"
>> http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=125450
>>
>> --
>> a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
>> Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001- Hide quoted text -

>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Can you believe what idiots these conspiracy nuts are? Not a shred of
> proof. In fact, pilots, engineers, building construction experts,
> metal experts all have debunked all their claims and still they
> persist. Unbelieveable. Ken
>

LOL! you had me going there for a minute.

tonebooz

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:55:36 AM10/23/07
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official story--the report they gave you.

> Troofers don't question the government, they sell lies.

oh stop that, don't get all goofy.

you're not by any chance a gatekeeper, eh?

BDK

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Oct 23, 2007, 4:46:17 AM10/23/07
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In article <dLeTi.38758$e72....@fe07.news.easynews.com>, whosh007
@hushmail2.com says...

Exactly, so why are you looking at kookpages instead?

BDK

*GED*

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Oct 23, 2007, 5:43:07 AM10/23/07
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None of the Aircraft involved were Boeing 747s.They were Airbuses or
Boeing 777s. Just a little tweaking of the "facts"
there???.

GovShill

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Oct 23, 2007, 5:54:46 AM10/23/07
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joseph

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Oct 23, 2007, 6:08:58 AM10/23/07
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"BDK" <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21877ee78...@news.buckeye-express.com...

You're right. I've changed my mind and position. Thank you.


joseph

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Oct 23, 2007, 6:11:54 AM10/23/07
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"*GED*" <flann...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1193132587....@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> None of the Aircraft involved were Boeing 747s.They were Airbuses or
> Boeing 777s. Just a little tweaking of the "facts"
> there???.

You're right. I'm wrong. I've reconsidered. I'm letting go of this
tv-fakery stuff and joining the real world again.


animal05

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Oct 23, 2007, 7:19:19 AM10/23/07
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joseph wrote:

> "animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:WsOdnepwBbDF8oDa...@wideopenwest.com...
>
>>joseph wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1193110635.0...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
>>>>>aluminum
>>>>>Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
>>>>Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..
>>>
>>>
>>>right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.
>>
>>THe only people that are claiming it didn't are troofers trying to fit
>>their conclusion to made of facts/
>>
>
>
> huh? the fox and cnn shots show the nose going all the way through! It's
> simply not possible

A flase conclusion based on an invalid assumption. You have no proof
(just like all troofer claims) of what debris penetrated the structure.

>
> Read this
> http://911logic.blogspot.com/2006/11/911-tv-fakery-whistleblower-pinocchio.html
>
> Don't you see the anomolies, contradictions, improbable events...?
>

No, because I don't create anomolies, contradictions, etc out of
baseless assumptions like your troofer links do.


>
>
>

animal05

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Oct 23, 2007, 7:22:30 AM10/23/07
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tonebooz wrote:

Troofer theology - only troofers have the "special wisdom" that allows
them to see all the unproven, unseen evidence.

>
>> Troofers don't question the government, they sell lies.
>
>
> oh stop that, don't get all goofy.

Don't worry, Vandar won't sink to your level

>
> you're not by any chance a gatekeeper, eh?
>
>

Troofer tactic #13,

animal05

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Oct 23, 2007, 7:23:34 AM10/23/07
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joseph wrote:

Been there, done that. In six years troofers haven't produced a shred
of credible evidence, just more and more silly assumptions

BDK

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Oct 23, 2007, 8:31:33 AM10/23/07
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In article <ZKjTi.165616$nh4....@fe09.news.easynews.com>, whosh007
@hushmail2.com says...

Uh huh.

BDK

george

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:21:05 PM10/23/07
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On Oct 23, 4:46 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
> "george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1193110635.0...@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 23, 4:13 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>
> >> I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
> >> aluminum
> >> Alloy could not slice through steel frames.
>
> > And you're claiming to know something of physics ?
> > Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..
>
> right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.

Mass, whether it is intact or disintegrating/disintegrated is still
mass and moving at 500 knots is going to tear through any ordinary
construction/structure.

Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:39:32 PM10/23/07
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joseph wrote:

I researched it more in the first 4 years after the attack than you will
in the next 20.
Your position is nothing new here.

Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:43:28 PM10/23/07
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*GED* wrote:

Flight 11 = Boeing 767-223ER
Flight 175 = Boeing 767-222
Flight 77 = Boeing 757-223
Flight 93 = Boeing 757-222

Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 3:48:24 PM10/23/07
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tonebooz wrote:

There are three reports, each an investigation of certain aspects of the
attack:

9/11 Commission - Circumstances surrounding the attacks, including
preparedness and response.

NIST - To study the cause of the collapses.

ASCE/FEMA - The effect that the impacts and fires had on the buildings.

Which one of them is "they"?

>> Troofers don't question the government, they sell lies.
>
>
> oh stop that, don't get all goofy.
>
> you're not by any chance a gatekeeper, eh?

I am the keymaster.

Al Dykes

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Oct 23, 2007, 6:52:48 PM10/23/07
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In article <1193167265.8...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,

Teh "wall" that was the upper floors of the WTC tower was about 60%
sheet glass and trivial for the sheet aluminum to break through.

The remaining 40% was box beams made of steel less than a half inch
thick. Easy for motor parts and landing gear to tear through.

There are lots of factoids about what a 757/767 and the wall were made
of here even if you can't follow the math.


http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/PDFfiles/Chapter%20IV%20Aircraft%20Impact.pdf

Al Dykes

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Oct 23, 2007, 6:54:58 PM10/23/07
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In article <DQdTi.197227$zt4.1...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,

joseph <whos...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
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>"animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:IaadndkJKfDH9IDa...@wideopenwest.com...

>> joseph wrote:
>>
>>> "animal05" <wherewa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:V9KdnT3vDcT5-IDa...@wideopenwest.com...
>>>
>>>>joseph wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Fuck all this bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>Watch the "September Clues" series. They show how the plane attacks were
>>>>>a
>>>>>government/media hoax.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice
>>>>>
>>>>>Also on youtube.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>"When criminals have unlimited access to instruments of mass persuasion,
>>>>>solid proofs of their crimes are hard to expose."
>>>>
>>>>Troofer ignorance at its finest
>>>
>>>
>>> fear
>>
>> Correct, troofers fear the facts
>
>what "facts"?

First, I believe my own eyes as as someone familiar with WTC before
9/11, what I saw where I was in Manhattan on 9/11 and and what I saw
of the pile starting a couple weeks after 9/11. Then I believe my
friends, some of which were in WTC on 9/11 and worked on the pile for
months, afterwords.

There are many thousands of eyewitnesses and first-responders. WTC was
possibly the best photographed disaster in history. There are many
thousands of photographs and video segments. The "Truth Movement"
shows only a few and they are cherry-picked to make a point and any
evidence to the contrary is edited out.

The post-9/11 analysis and reporting is consistent with what the
eyewitnesses say and what the video record shows.

Any claim made by the "Truth Movement" has to be examined in the
context of ALL of the above.

In 6 years of whining, they have said NOTHING that fits the eyewitness
statements and the video record.


You are in unencumbered by any facts.

There is a reason why no Mahattanites that were eyewitnesses to the
plane impacts are part of the "truth movement".

It isn't just eyewitnesses, anyway, they are just part of a huge
record for the "standard story". The Twoofers have do discredit large
parts of that record AND propose an alternative theory that is
consistant with the rest of the record before thet can be taken
seriously.


The "Truth Movement" doesn't dispute the public record for the events
of 9/11. Worthy of Orwell, they try to deny that a public record
exists to be fact-checked and to use to fact-check the made-up shit
from the Truth Movement.

To believe that something other than 4 hijacked airplanes caused all
the destruction on 9/11 is to look stupid and IMO, this is the real
purpose of the "Truth Movement", to make critics of the administration
look like idiots

Vandar

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Oct 23, 2007, 8:00:14 PM10/23/07
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Al Dykes wrote:

Oh c'mon! Everybody knows that they opened the dome at the Hayden
Planetarium and used the lasers to project the images of the planes. Sheesh!

Exhibitionist

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Oct 23, 2007, 8:27:12 PM10/23/07
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Is this stupid shit *still* being spewed by shit-for-brains idiots?

tonebooz

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Oct 23, 2007, 9:00:13 PM10/23/07
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why...you little shill you ;)

747 lol

well, we all know that the nose of a 747 could not have come out the
other end intact.....but a 767 is a whole nuther thang. Checkmate.
Nothing to see here folks....keep it movin along.

tonebooz

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Oct 23, 2007, 9:22:54 PM10/23/07
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hm, cool. hey incidentally, i came across the image of the East Face of
WTC2 after the 767 hit, and oddly I saw no 'exit' hole that should
clearly be there. I was hoping someone can explain that to me cuz these
troofer nuts believe that's another slam dunker.

You can see it in the NIST document
http://wtc.nist.gov/WTC_Conf_Sep13-15/session6/6McAllister.pdf

here's what those troofers say

"One final note that cannot be overemphasized was made in Part I. The
fact that there is no hole in the exit face that would accommodate an
object of this size proves that the object cannot be real.

According to someone calling himself heiho1, who commented after reading
Part I of this article, this is an incorrect statement. His basis for
declaring that? That he and the letsroll911.org crew had already reached
the conclusion "...that it was most likely a pyrophoric material like
uranium or similarly active heavy metals,..." which “…could easily, upon
exposure to oxygen in the air, burn through steel and concrete.”

Of course, for that to be true, there would have to be missing sections
of steel and/or concrete – which there are most certainly neither in any
photo or video.

Expounding on what Killtown concluded: Due to there being no hole in
WTC2 to account for any protrusion that size, the object we clearly
observe in all these videos (“live” or otherwise) is clearly not a solid
material of any kind.

Unless someone is desperate enough to start claiming it was a liquid or
a gas that flowed around the still-intact steel beams and then formed
itself into the approximate size and shape of a plane, we can pretty
much rule out anything real altogether."


"During my frame-by-frame analysis of all footage filmed from the north,
I noticed that without exception, there are two separate “exit-face”
explosions that merge to form one huge fireball. Until I saw this
picture (and many others in NIST’s various reports), it never dawned on
me that based on their spacing and their independent elevations, these
explosions were obviously supposed to represent the separate fuel tanks
spewing flaming kerosene forward due to its (would-be) momentum.

Here is where the perps showed their ability to improvise:

Because of the most obvious FOX-aired “nose-out” phenomenon, they were
forced to copy this blunder into all the other “amateur” footage which
would surely have shown it even more clearly than the “Chopper 5”
footage did.

To accomplish this, they had to abandon the independent fuel tank
explosion explanation for the separate fireballs and use what would have
represented the starboard-side explosion as cover for the “nose-out.” Of
course, this subsequently placed the port-side explosion out of
position. This was only a minor anomaly compared to having to explain
how an entire third of the still-intact plane emerged from the backside
of WTC2 in that FOX-aired blooper."


a few of the kooks on YT

Genghis6199
OzzybinOswald2
ewing2001
killtown
Thewebfairy

tonebooz

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Oct 23, 2007, 9:31:15 PM10/23/07
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B-o-B

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Oct 23, 2007, 11:08:12 PM10/23/07
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Exhibitionist wrote:
> Is this stupid shit *still* being spewed by shit-for-brains idiots?

Good Job!

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John P.

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Oct 24, 2007, 12:58:32 AM10/24/07
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"joseph" <whos...@hushmail2.com> wrote in a message

> I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of
> aluminum Alloy could not slice through steel frames.

Just like water can't slice through steel?
Just like air can't destroy a building?

> As it says in part 6: "since the airplanes' very existence is in doubt,
> the fate of their passengers deserves a seperate investigation".

No sane person doubts the existence of the planes.


John P.

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Oct 24, 2007, 12:59:51 AM10/24/07
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"joseph" <whos...@hushmail2.com> wrote in a message

>> And you're claiming to know something of physics ?


>> Think of it as a 140 ton mass at 500 knots..

> right, and the nose would've disintegrated upon impact.

I would think it pretty much did just that. You may have noticed, no plane
came out the other side of the building.

John P.

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Oct 24, 2007, 1:02:59 AM10/24/07
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"joseph" <whos...@hushmail2.com> wrote in a message

> huh? the fox and cnn shots show the nose going all the way through! It's
> simply not possible

It is impossible to identify the object in those videos.

> Read this
> http://911logic.blogspot.com/2006/11/911-tv-fakery-whistleblower-pinocchio.html
> Don't you see the anomolies, contradictions, improbable events...?

I do. It's seems improbable they manage to fake the planes for the live
witnesses, as well as somehow managing to find every amateur video shot that
day, edit it, and return it to the owner without his/her knowledge.


veritas

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Oct 24, 2007, 1:18:01 AM10/24/07
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On Oct 23, 7:00 pm, Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Al Dykes wrote:
> > In article <DQdTi.197227$zt4.188...@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> > joseph <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>
> >>"animal05" <wherewasIfri...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>news:IaadndkJKfDH9IDa...@wideopenwest.com...
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> >>>joseph wrote:
>
> >>>>"animal05" <wherewasIfri...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> Planetarium and used the lasers to project the images of the planes. Sheesh!- Hide quoted text -
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I still is hard to believe that none of the people who believe in that
video have absolutely no idea how a high rise building is buildt. It
is not only possible, but likely that the nose could go through the
tower that high up and stick out the other side without hitting
anything to disfigure it. But notice the rest of the plane did not
come out, it exploded, killing hijackers, pilots, crew, and
passengers. Were all these people made up? I believe their families
would have some things to say to anyone who would believe a silly
video like that. But all you have to do is check with a architect and
aeronatutical engineer and they will explain exactly what happened and
why. There simply is no mystery. Two planes hit the WTC and they
collapsed as simulations show they would have. This is an insult to
the people on the planes that died, except the hijackers, and all the
people who perished in the buildings. Ken

Cardinal Chunder

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Oct 24, 2007, 6:10:02 AM10/24/07
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joseph wrote:
> "veritas" <khog...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1193106786.3...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Oct 21, 7:53 pm, "joseph" <whosh...@hushmail2.com> wrote:
>>> Fuck all this bullshit.
>>>
>>> Watch the "September Clues" series. They show how the plane attacks were
>>> a
>>> government/media hoax.
>>>
>>> http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice
>>>
>>> Also on youtube.
>>>
>>> --
>>> "When criminals have unlimited access to instruments of mass persuasion,
>>> solid proofs of their crimes are hard to expose."
>> I can't believe that any of you know completely nothing of building
>> high rise buildings and how it is not only possible, but very likely
>> the nose would go straight through the building and not be damaged.
>> Notice that it didn't come out though.

>
> I can't believe you know nothing about physics. Boeing 747s made of aluminum
> Alloy could not slice through steel frames.

That's an absurd statement as both aircraft quite obviously DID smash
through steel beams.

>> The rest of the airplane exploded inside and all the passengers, crew, and
>> hijackers were
>> killed. Were they imaginary as well?
>
> I dunno, good question.


>
> As it says in part 6: "since the airplanes' very existence is in doubt, the
> fate of their passengers deserves a seperate investigation".

The existence of the aircraft is not in any doubt unless you are
completely insane. Seriously.

veritas

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Oct 24, 2007, 10:35:28 AM10/24/07
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On Oct 19, 5:50 am, Sara Salzman <catam...@concentric.net> wrote:
> In article <1192768281.246208.258...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 5:28 pm, "Choam Nomsky" <Bubbbbbb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > It was 100% GW Bush who orchestrated it, Cheney planned it out with him and
> > > their gang of croneys are reaping the financial rewards, as planned.
>
> > > So bloody obvious if you actually take the flag off your head and look,
> > > ignorance is not bliss.
>
> > > "veritas" <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1192385167.3...@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > On Oct 14, 4:09 am, Gallows Cheater <swing...@gallows.pole> wrote:
> > > >> Bob Downonit wrote:
> > > >> > On 2007-10-12 03:36:50 -0400, "softbank" <bb...@net.com> said:
>
> > > >> >> Or is it more accurate to call it an Outside Job? Or a Zionist Job?
>
> > > >> >>http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Zion-Summary.html
>
> > > >> > How about a Blow Job?
>
> > > >> > Get over it, there is NO conspiracy about 911.
>
> > > >> 4 airplanes spontaneously went off course and crashed. Three of them
> > > >> hitting the ostensibly best protected targets on the planet? You
> > > >> coincidence theorists are truly wacko!
> > > >> --
> > > >> SSGG - When somebody talks of shutting them down, you get three hundred
> > > >> thousand "1st amendment" types jumping to the guy's defense, giving you
> > > >> a
> > > >> class on the Bill of Rights - Jacob Baltuch, Brandeis
> > > >> Universityhttp://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/051115chicago.
> > > >> htm
>
> > > > There is no coincidence theorists that I know about. Muslim radicals
> > > > took over the planes and crashed them into buildings, except for the
> > > > one that we tried to take back over and it crashed into the ground.
> > > > There is nothing to discuss, that is what happened. Ken
> > > > --
> > > > "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> > > > according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> > > > it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>
> > > --
> > > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com-Hide quoted

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>
> > Let me get this straight now, the Bushes, with the help of Cheney in
> > order to make money, so the Bushes Saudi deals and Halliburton could
> > make a lot of money they did TWC.
>
> And the Jews. Don't forget the Jews.
>
> Of course, now that we know that Obama and Cheney are distantly related,
> I suppose we can assume that Obama (and therefore by extension ALL
> blacks) were in on the deal as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> >That is just about the dumbest
> > thing I have heard. These people, who have millions to begin with
> > would plan to have Saudi men hijack planes crash them into buildings
> > killing thousands of Americans and have Laden take credit for it so
> > they could make some more money? If you would use some logic, you
> > would see, that is just dumb. I suppose they blew up our embassy? I
> > suppose they tried and failed to bring a tower down in '93? I suppose
> > these men do not love and cherish their country as the rest of us do?
> > The Muslim radicals found our responses weak when Clinton was in
> > office and wanted to show the world we were weak-willed, and not
> > nearly as powerful as we seemed. It didn't work. But Bush and
> > Cheney, huh? I suppose you have evidence we can all see to back this
> > story up. Or, would you label it fiction? That is where it belongs.
> > Along with Roosevelt knowing the Japanese were going to strike Pearl.
> > I can think of a half dozen easier way to get us into a invasion of
> > the Middle East than that. I assure you Bush and Cheney could as
> > well. Just as Roosevelt could have. Conspire to make a conspiracy.
> > Vultures after money is all you are. Ken
> > --
> > "Truth does not give a damn what we conceive. We survive or perish
> > according to our ability to discern the truth correctly and act upon
> > it." - Ken www.veritasnovel.com
>
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You are a hard, hard woman! LOL Ken

Al Dykes

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Oct 24, 2007, 11:23:26 AM10/24/07
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In article <VYCdnQrwRq9iTIPa...@comcast.com>,


And at least one video of a plane hitting a building was shown on TV
that afternoon and for days afterwords. None of the eyewitnesses saw
the TV video and said "that's not what I saw!" to anyone.

Here is the one that I know was shown on TV. It is in this film at the
25 minute mark. The maker of the film, Naudet, is known to us New
Yorkers as are the firemen shown watching with him.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6371069744838112957&q=Naudet

He and all those firemen would have to be in on the fakery.

Twoofer don't realize how stupid they look to people that witnessed
some aspect of 9/11.

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