A message for Christians from SATAN
guardian Snow
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not
under the law, but under grace.
It’s a good thing we are not under the law anymore and I Satan,
recognize that Jesus saved me.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the
devils also believe, and tremble.
It’s a good thing because I was worried about that pit of darkness
thing but now that I know that I am saved and no longer required to
obey the law of God, I know I can do as I please.
1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not
expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought
under the power of any.
Amen, I don’t have to even worry about being under the authority of
any… Isn’t that just a blessed and beautiful thing. It’s his word and
I can count on it as true because the greatest Apostle Paul said so.
So now that I’m no longer under the law, and I’m dead to my sin, I can
do as I please.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto
sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
No longer will my sin be remembered and now I am alive.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me
all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
My sins are dead and it’s no wonder that I can now freely practice
evil.
Php 3:2 Look out for dogs, look out for the evil workers, look out for
the mutilation!
Make sure that you don’t circumcise yourself and beware those evil
judaizing dogs. Just because Jesus came for sinners and ate and kept
company with those nasty tax collectors remember:
1Co 15:33 Do not be led astray, “Evil company corrupts good habits.”
So stay with me because I’m good now and judge all those inside the
church for yourself
1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your thinking, but in evil
be babes, and in your thinking be perfect.
Just don’t think about it..
1Co 13:5 does not behave indecently, does not seek its own, is not
provoked, reckons not the evil,
1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone
called ‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to eat
with such a one.
Stay away from all those evil people and just follow after me and
together without the law, we shall enter into the kingdom.
Rom 14:16 Do not then allow your good to be spoken of as evil.
Don’t tolerate anybody telling you your evil. Ignore the Sabbath and
let’s worship on the day of our choice.
Gal 4:9 But now after you have known Elohim, or rather are known by
Elohim, how do you turn again to the weak and poor elementary matters,
1 to which you wish to be enslaved again? Footnote: 1See v.3, Col. 2:8
& 20.
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
Gal 4:11 I fear for you, lest by any means I have laboured for you in
vain.
Gal 4:12 Brothers, I beg you to become as I am, because I am as you
are. You did not wrong me at all.
Gal 4:13 But you know that through weakness of the flesh I brought the
Good News to you before.
And the good news is that we are all saved without any works of our
own behalf.
Rom 3:27 Where, then, is the boasting? It is shut out. By what Torah?
Of works? No, but by the Torah of belief.
Rom 3:28 For we reckon that a man is declared right by belief without
works of Torah.
Without the works of Torah we are declared right by belief and I
believe alright that I am righteous and true.
I could go on and on but just beware
Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who
came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus,
that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour;
that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Don’t let anybody subject you to the law. Stay in the liberty that I
have granted you by his name.
I Satan declare myself a servant of Christ:
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and
would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other
gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
accursed.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the
Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of
God, and wasted it:
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's
womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I
lie not.
Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in
times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
Now bow down and glorify God in me.
2Co 12:14 See, I am ready to come to you for the third time. And I
shall not be a burden to you, for I do not seek yours, but you. For
the children should not lay up for the parents, but the parents for
the children.
2Co 12:15 And I shall most gladly spend and be spent for your lives.
If I love you more and more, am I to be loved less?
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you. But being crafty, did I
catch you with guile?
2Co 12:17 Did I take advantage of you by any of those whom I sent to
you?
2Co 12:9 And He said to me, “My favour is sufficient for you, for My
power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, then, I shall rather
boast in my weaknesses, so that the power of Messiah rests on me.
2Co 12:11 I have become a fool – you have compelled me. For I should
have been commended by you, for in no respect was I behind the most
eminent emissaries, though I am a nobody.
2Co 12:12 Indeed, the signs of an emissary were wrought among you with
all endurance, in signs and wonders and powers.
This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the work
of Paul.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
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Looks to me like you have a fish now..too.
I don't care that it's an angelfish, it's a FISH!
Uhmmmm....
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"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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Sensi
Sensi:
Your point is taken and understood. In my view Paul wanted
to be the next Christ, the peoples *savior* as Jesus was.
I must stress that I don't think his beliefs come from
Satan, as that entity personality whose desire is to only
squelch the good of God.
Often God's good is mis-understood and we in our ignorance
refer to things we don't understand as dark or evil,
intolerant, of the devil and are much to quick to slap a
black label on things rather than looking at other possible
angles.
My take is Paul's intentions were probably good as he
preached the countryside bent on rules and laws that seemed
reasonable to him at the time but he just didn't have the
same kind of heart, compassion the understanding or the
ability to teach the finer intricate details of the inner
workings of the mind and heart or perhaps lacking knowledge
of cause and effect/ reap what you sow as Jesus did.
He tried and since we don't have all the details perhaps
we're only seeing one page of Paul's life while page 2 is
missing where he finally came to understand and teach that
which he needed to know and share. Who knows?
No one takes him as serious as he comes across though even
the modern day preachers are much more tolerant that Paul
seemed at that time.
I see you're sporting a fish... Does it have a hidden
meaning?
guardian Snow
> I see you're sporting a fish... Does it have a hidden
> meaning?
Nah, just a joke.. I did post as Satan. The funny thing is... the way
I see it, people follow the Messiah because he saves them from sin.
They follow Paul because he says all things are lawful..
In other words, they follow Paul to save themselves from the teachings
of the Messiah, who preached the ten commandments. Now watch and read
it without the verse numbers...
Satan’s Advocate – A message from Satan to you.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the
law, but under grace.
It’s a good thing we are not under the law anymore and I Satan,
recognize that Jesus saved me, the devils also believe, and tremble.
It’s a good thing because I was worried about that pit of darkness
thing but now that I know that I am saved and no longer required to
obey the law of God, I know I can do as I please.
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all
things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of
any.
Amen, I don’t have to even worry about being under the authority of
any… Isn’t that just a blessed and beautiful thing. It’s his word and
I can count on it as true because the greatest Apostle Paul said so.
So now that I’m no longer under the law, and I’m dead to my sin, I can
do as I please.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but
alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
No longer will my sin be remembered and now I am alive.
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner
of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
My sins are dead and it’s no wonder that I can now freely practice
evil.
Look out for dogs, look out for the evil workers, look out for the
mutilation!
Make sure that you don’t circumcise yourself and beware those evil
judaizing dogs. Just because Jesus came for sinners and ate and kept
company with those nasty tax collectors remember:
Do not be led astray, “Evil company corrupts good habits.”
So stay with me because I’m good now and judge all those inside the
church for yourself
Brothers, do not be children in your thinking, but in evil be babes,
and in your thinking be perfect.
Just don’t think about it.. we do not behave indecently, does not
seek its own, is not provoked, reckons not the evil,
But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone called
‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to eat
with such a one.
Stay away from all those evil people and just follow after me and
together without the law, we shall enter into the kingdom. Do not then
allow your good to be spoken of as evil. Don’t tolerate anybody
telling you your evil. Ignore the Sabbath and let’s worship on the
day of our choice.
But now after you have known Elohim, or rather are known by Elohim,
how do you turn again to the weak and poor elementary matters, to
which you wish to be enslaved again? You observe days and months and
seasons and years. I fear for you, lest by any means I have laboured
for you in vain.
Brothers, I beg you to become as I am, because I am as you are. You
did not wrong me at all. But you know that through weakness of the
flesh I brought the Good News to you before.
And the good news is that we are all saved without any works of our
own behalf. Where, then, is the boasting? It is shut out. By what
Torah? Of works? No, but by the Torah of belief. For we reckon that a
man is declared right by belief without works of Torah. Without the
works of Torah we are declared right by belief and I believe alright
that I am righteous and true.
I could go on and on but just beware that because of false brethren
unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which
we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: To
whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth
of the gospel might continue with you.
Don’t let anybody subject you to the law. Stay in the liberty that I
have granted you by his name.
I Satan declare myself a servant of Christ: I marvel that ye are so
soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto
another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble
you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an
angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we
have preached unto you, let him be accursed. For I neither received it
of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus
Christ.
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews'
religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and
wasted it: But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's
womb, and called me by his grace, Now the things which I write unto
you, behold, before God, I lie not. But they had heard only, That he
which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once
he destroyed.
And they glorified God in me.
Now bow down and glorify God in me.
See, I am ready to come to you for the third time. And I shall not be
a burden to you, for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children
should not lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
I am your FATHER.
And I shall most gladly spend and be spent for your lives. If I love
you more and more, am I to be loved less? But be it so, I did not
burden you. But being crafty, did I catch you with guile? Did I take
advantage of you by any of those whom I sent to you?
And He said to me, “My favour is sufficient for you, for My power is
perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, then, I shall rather boast in my
weaknesses, so that the power of Messiah rests on me.
I have become a fool – you have compelled me. For I should have been
commended by you, for in no respect was I behind the most eminent
emissaries, though I am a nobody. Indeed, the signs of an emissary
were wrought among you with all endurance, in signs and wonders and
powers.
This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the work
of Paul.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
Freedom is not procured by a full enjoyment of what is desired, but
::: good news runner :::
news:ebec28f8-932a-4f7b...@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
guardian Snow <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
[idiotic rant snipped]
::: good news runner :::
news:ebec28f8-932a-4f7b...@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
guardian Snow <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
>>> http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
>>
>>> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
>>> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To quote from that site:
"Beware of distortions of Paul's writings
Jesus Christ and all of His apostles, including Paul, taught the same.
They all regarded the Old Testament Scriptures as the foundation of the
Christian way of life. But Paul's writings have been greatly
misinterpreted from the first century until this day.
For that reason Peter warns us to beware of distorted applications of
Paul's writings. Here is Peter's warning: "Bear in mind that our Lord's
patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to
you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his
letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some
things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people
distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2
Peter 3:15-16, NIV).
Those who have accepted the distortions of Paul's letters have derailed
themselves from the truth. That is partly why modern Christianity is so
divided and typically becoming more and more like the world rather than
coming out of it."
Chuck Stamford
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
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Chuck:
I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
guardian Snow
> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
> played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the work
> of Paul.
>
> Chuck:
>
> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
Would you deny the Messiah came to call sinners to repentance?
Rod
Facts snipped by an idiot!
Rod
Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
Rod
Rod
> On Sep 23, 12:51 am, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
>> played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the work
>> of Paul.
>>
>> Chuck:
>>
>> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
>
> Would you deny the Messiah came to call sinners to repentance?
>
Just the ones that Andrew Chung approves of....
Rod
guardian Snow
wrote:
> Innews:ebec28f8-932a-4f7b...@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
> guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
>
> [idiotic rant snipped]
Funny you would say that about the words of your beloved apostle that
you have placed above all others.
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor
rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you
record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your
own eyes, and have given them to me.
It's interesting that he saves you from the Messiah. It doesn't
bother me that UCG doesn't remove Paul, thats not the sign of his
covenant, the Sabbath is. People don't have to agree with me Vera. It
doesn't change the truth even if nobody sees it.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Love is the ability and willingness to allow those that you care for
to be what they choose for themselves without any insistence that they
satisfy you.
::: good news runner :::
news:624d7a19-058d-4f8c...@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com,
> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To quote from that site Snow links to on a general basis:
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> guardian Snow wrote:
[snip]
>> I am not Satan but have
>> played the advocate
> Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
>
>
> Rod
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
Actually Chuck is on Andrews's list of convicted...
But some are not interested in truth - they simply smear what they can.
Rod, are you just another smear finch? I have thought higher of you...
::: good news runner :::
news:9de8aa71-97aa-4880...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com,
guardian Snow <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
> On Sep 23, 12:51 am, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
>> played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the
>> work of Paul.
>>
>> Chuck:
>>
>> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
>
> Would you deny the Messiah came to call sinners to repentance?
He is calling those with ears, not those who can smear best.
> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To quote from that site:
"Beware of distortions of Paul's writings
Jesus Christ and all of His apostles, including Paul, taught the same.
They all regarded the Old Testament Scriptures as the foundation of the
Christian way of life. But Paul's writings have been greatly
misinterpreted from the first century until this day.
For that reason Peter warns us to beware of distorted applications of
Paul's writings. Here is Peter's warning: "Bear in mind that our Lord's
patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to
you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his
letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some
things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people
distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2
Peter 3:15-16, NIV).
Those who have accepted the distortions of Paul's letters have derailed
themselves from the truth. That is partly why modern Christianity is so
divided and typically becoming more and more like the world rather than
coming out of it." A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
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Rod
Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
12/21/2012
and how it relates to scriptures ?
Linda Lee
Actually, Satan's desire was to 'become as God'. And if Paul wanted to
become the next Christ; he was attempting to 'become as God'.
Personally, because of some things in the Scriptures and in Paul's
writings, I believe Paul preached another Christ and considered
himself the chief apostle of this hellenized form of the Saviour.
In Acts 22:25-29 & in Acts 23:27 it is made clear Paul is a Roman
citizen (and this was not a claim made by the apostles chosen and
trained by the Messiah).
Paul was obviously what was called a "hellenizing Jew", one who wanted
to combine Judaism with Hellenism; i.e. Greco-Roman religion and
culture.
So Paul preached Iesous Christos (meaning anointed), rather than
Yahashua` Mashiach (in English Messiah, and in Greek Messias - meaning
a long-expected specific 'anointed one' said to be the Saviour of the
Jews).
By what Paul himself says, there was more than one anointed one being
preached: 2 Cor. 11:4 "For if he that cometh ****preacheth another
Jesus,**** whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
which ye have not received, or **another gospel,** which ye have not
accepted, ye might well bear with him."
Paul has just admitted some preached "a different Jesus" than Paul
preached, and he is speaking in 2 Corinthians of Israelite apostles
who undoubtedly preached Yahashua` the Messiah because Paul goes on to
say in 2 Cor. 11:5, "For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very
chiefest apostles". Paul was telling the Corinthians to resist the
gospel of the Messiah (acceptance of Yahashua` and adherence to the
Ten Commandments) and to adhere to the gospel he, Paul, has preached
to them (acceptance of Iesous Christos and freedom from obeying the
Ten Commandments).
Paul admits here, he agrees with the law of God, but serves the "law
of sin", IOW, Paul continues to sin:
Rom. 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the
mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
sin." Paul thanks his 'god' for this, but the Messiah did not preach
this; the Messiah cannot be the 'god' that Paul preaches.
Here in the following verse Paul identifies this other gospel as 'not
really' another gospel and claims it is a perversion of his gospel:
Gal. 1:6-7 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called
you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not
another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
gospel of Christ."
Discerning what else Paul had to say throughout his writings and from
accusations leveled against him in Acts Chapter 21 by 'believing
Jews' (followers of the Messiah), Paul preached against the adherence
to the Ten Commandments that the Messiah and his chosen apostles
taught. Paul's 'other gospel' ("Which is not another" in comparison
to the Messiah's gospel) was a lawless form of the Messiah's gospel.
> Often God's good is mis-understood and we in our ignorance
> refer to things we don't understand as dark or evil,
> intolerant, of the devil and are much to quick to slap a
> black label on things rather than looking at other possible
> angles.
Paul was the main proponent of his 'other gospel'. Paul tried to
substitute his gospel (of Iesous as the 'anointed one') for the
Messiah's gospel.
The Messiah was born for this purpose: to "destroy the works of the
devil" by the means of establishing his gospel of repentance and
forgiveness of sins. And Paul's efforts to thwart the Messiah's
gospel by substituting his own similar gospel (with a different
'anointed one', Iesous rather than Yahashua`, and freedom from obeying
the Ten Commandments and no hint of a need for repentance of sins)
were undoubtedly more of "the works of the devil".
1 John 3:8 "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
might destroy the works of the devil".
>
> My take is Paul's intentions were probably good as he
> preached the countryside bent on rules and laws that seemed
> reasonable to him at the time but he just didn't have the
> same kind of heart, compassion the understanding or the
> ability to teach the finer intricate details of the inner
> workings of the mind and heart or perhaps lacking knowledge
> of cause and effect/ reap what you sow as Jesus did.
>
> He tried and since we don't have all the details perhaps
> we're only seeing one page of Paul's life while page 2 is
> missing where he finally came to understand and teach that
> which he needed to know and share. Who knows?
There's no evidence of it.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> Innews:624d7a19-058d-4f8c...@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com,
> guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
> [idiotic rant snipped]
>
> >http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
> > A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> To quote from that site Snow links to on a general basis:
>
> "Beware of distortions of Paul's writings
And will continue to link to Vera. Unlike you, acceptance of my
belief isn't the condition of my friendship and love. Love is the
ability and willingness to allow those that you care for to be what
they choose for themselves without any insistence that they satisfy
you.
Rejecting Paul isn't the Sign of the covenant:
Eze 20:11 “And I gave them My laws and showed them My right-rulings,
‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them.’
Eze 20:12 “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
So I will always link to them so that others, even if they don't agree
with me, still find a good Sabbath practicing church.
Will you now continue to spam the same message?
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond
appearances.
Wayne Dyer
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
guardian Snow
> By what Paul himself says, there was more than one anointed one being
> preached: 2 Cor. 11:4 "For if he that cometh ****preacheth another
> Jesus,**** whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
> which ye have not received, or **another gospel,** which ye have not
> accepted, ye might well bear with him."
I missed you:) Glad to see you posting again:)
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at
change.
Wayne Dyer
Rod
No, honestly I'm not, but I'd like the fighting to end. The human
race has bigger problems to worry about, like survival, and the ned of
it is closing in fast. I've already been warned in a dream and it is
coming to be right before my eyes, and it has little to do with religion
and everything to do with some belief...we haven't got long...4 years tops.
I'd like to see the warring stop and people begin to work together to
end problems created by the super wealthy and governing bodies.
::: good news runner :::
news:128175e4-0ac4-46df...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com,
guardian Snow <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
[idiocy snipped]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To quote from that site Snow links to on a general basis:
"Beware of distortions of Paul's writings
Jesus Christ and all of His apostles, including Paul, taught the same.
::: good news runner :::
news:278e6d8f-df5e-473d...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> typed:
> On Sep 21, 10:48 pm, Sensi <sensi4si...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>> Satan’s Advocate – A message from Satan to you.
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>> In news:oOPBk.1006$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>> On Sep 23, 12:51 am, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but
>>>>> have played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come
>>>>> from the work of Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck:
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
>>>> Would you deny the Messiah came to call sinners to repentance?
>>>>
>>> Just the ones that Andrew Chung approves of....
>>>
>>>
>>> Rod
>>
>> Actually Chuck is on Andrews's list of convicted...
>>
>> But some are not interested in truth - they simply smear what they
>> can. Rod, are you just another smear finch? I have thought higher of
>> you...
>
> No, honestly I'm not, but I'd like the fighting to end. The human
> race has bigger problems to worry about, like survival, and the ned of
> it is closing in fast. I've already been warned in a dream and it is
> coming to be right before my eyes, and it has little to do with
> religion and everything to do with some belief...we haven't got
> long...4 years tops.
And then Jesus will return? Or what are you talking about?
> I'd like to see the warring stop and people begin to work together
> to end problems created by the super wealthy and governing bodies.
So what are you doing in Christian newsgroups? Why not crawl back to
your politician groups?
You are dishonest, Rod, and your aims are pushing some political views
through. I must disappoint you - you are in the wrong group for that. If
you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns
you, do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all you
will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace, because
you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor, and you
will have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your views
onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
Mayan prophecy? What is that?
"Beware of distortions of Paul's writings
Jesus Christ and all of His apostles, including Paul, taught the same.
They all regarded the Old Testament Scriptures as the foundation of the
Christian way of life. But Paul's writings have been greatly
misinterpreted from the first century until this day.
For that reason Peter warns us to beware of distorted applications of
Paul's writings. Here is Peter's warning: "Bear in mind that our Lord's
patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to
you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his
letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some
things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people
distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" (2
Peter 3:15-16, NIV).
Those who have accepted the distortions of Paul's letters have derailed
themselves from the truth. That is partly why modern Christianity is so
divided and typically becoming more and more like the world rather than
coming out of it."
Linda Lee
wrote:
I had no internet connection for eight days. I see you're 'under
seige' still.
Angel Fire ***
" ::: good news runner :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6jq4ktF...@mid.individual.net...
That sums it up right there, better these folks LISTEN now before it's too
late.
[I believe the root of this anti-Paul stuff is PRIDE]
Have a great day G.N. Runner!
Tbc ..
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:128175e4-0ac4-46df...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com,
> guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
The apostle Peter did not write II Peter; the apostle Peter is only
believed to have written I Peter; that church's website is mistaken on
that score.
NO church fathers and NO SCHOLARS have ever believed Peter wrote II
Peter (it didn't even exist until the second century), much as it must
pain you to lose your explanation of Paul's distorted 'other gospel'
in II Pet. 3:15-16. It is you who rejects the entire New Testament
not written by your lowly 'god', the false apostle Paul.
It does sound, however, like the UCG church preaches adherence to the
Ten Commandments as Yahashua` the Messiah taught and your false
apostle rejected.
Linda Lee
> " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote in messagenews:6jq4ktF...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > Innews:128175e4-0ac4-46df...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com,
> > guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au> typed:
I know that you are wrong, in my case at least, because if I could
find evidence I had been wrong about Paul being the false apostle that
he undoubtedly is, I would admit it here at length, so that I could be
accurate. I keep looking and the evidence still keeps stacking up
against Paul.
I believe the root of your pro-Paul stuff is IGNORANCE of the
teachings of the Messiah AND the teachings of Paul's other gospel.
If you people don't change your ways, this will be you someday:
Yahashua` the Messiah said,
Mat 7:21 *** Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven. ***
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity. "
What was the will of the Father in Heaven?
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any
likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth
beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for
I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them
that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and
keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in
vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in
it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger
that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea,
and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the
LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long
upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not
covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant,
nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
The Messiah continues:
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth
them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds
blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not; for it was founded
upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 ***** And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and
doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his
house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds
blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of
it. *****
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the
people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the
scribes.
dolf
you also [since you] call his posts satanic drivel when they are mainly
direct quotes from the Scriptures. Take your Gematria nonsense elsewhere."
"...their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their
thoughts accusing or else excusing them in the day when God will judge
the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." [Roman 2:16]
- dolf
http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/aboutDolf.html
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 2:56 pm, "Angel Fire ***" <Nexuspam@paiylo,com> wrote:
>> " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote in messagenews:6jq4ktF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
Rod
> In news:LxQBk.1233$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>> In news:EKPBk.1005$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> I am not Satan but have
>>>>> played the advocate
>>>> Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>
>> Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
>> your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
>> 12/21/2012
>> and how it relates to scriptures ?
>
> Mayan prophecy? What is that?
>
Google Mayan prophecy, 2012
--
In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
"Rod, <316>...
You guys are married, right?"
"I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
Just
a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
and Sully from Monsters inc."
"Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
"What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake of
the kids"?"
--
Rod
Something is shaping up to happen. The christians think Christ
will return, the Mayans see it as the end of an age.
>
>
>> I'd like to see the warring stop and people begin to work together
>> to end problems created by the super wealthy and governing bodies.
>
> So what are you doing in Christian newsgroups? Why not crawl back to
> your politician groups?
>
> You are dishonest, Rod, and your aims are pushing some political views
> through.
What political views would those be Vera ? I'm interested in everyones
survival.
> I must disappoint you - you are in the wrong group for that.
I'm inclined to agree with you, for my intent was to address christians.
If
> you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns
> you, do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
> Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
>
> But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all you
> will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace, because
> you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor, and you
> will have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
>
> It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your views
> onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
Yea, I tried to lay a foundation for peace and I'mk agressive,
militant and dishonest.
There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually
THINK !
>
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>
guardian Snow
> I had no internet connection for eight days. I see you're 'under
> seige' still.
nah... I'm just having a giggle at our prophet that says, Behold..
some time in the next four years and then starts talking about
"Fringe" on the television. It's a good show but I wouldn't start
making a religion out of it. Must have really pushed some buttons
with her....
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
It's not the events of our lives that shape us, but our beliefs as to
what those events mean.
Tony Robbins
guardian Snow
> The apostle Peter did not write II Peter; the apostle Peter is only
> believed to have written I Peter; that church's website is mistaken on
> that score.
>
> NO church fathers and NO SCHOLARS have ever believed Peter wrote II
> Peter (it didn't even exist until the second century), much as it must
> pain you to lose your explanation of Paul's distorted 'other gospel'
> in II Pet. 3:15-16. It is you who rejects the entire New Testament
> not written by your lowly 'god', the false apostle Paul.
>
> It does sound, however, like the UCG church preaches adherence to the
> Ten Commandments as Yahashua` the Messiah taught and your false
> apostle rejected.
Actually, not just the commandmemts but the festival days also. It's
a great church... I like them a lot.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
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A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
Using the power of decision gives you the capacity to get past any
excuse to change any and every part of your life in an instant.
Tony Robbins
dolf
spirit talking to you? My answer to this is that in the beginning of
things, when there was formless and void--with darkness on the face of
the deep, when this spirit was hovering over the face of the waters.
Simply look at the hypostatic dynamics of the speech as the categories
of understanding: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with
God, and the word was God." [John 1:1]
dolf
Tell me if you have understanding.
Who set its measure--surely you know--or who stretched the line upon it?
On what were its bases sunk, or who cast its corner stone?
In the time when the stars of the morning praised as one, and all the
bands of the angels exulted.
And he covered over and locked up the sea with gates; in its rushing out
it comes forth from the deep, from the womb, when I set the clouds as
its garment, and its thick darkness as its swaddling band. And I cut
off my ordinance for it, and I set the rocks like bolts and doors [VAR:
banks].
And I said, 'To here shall you come and no further, and there shall your
proud waves be dried up.
Have you, since your days (began), commanded the morning to be? Have
you made known to the dawn its place? [VAR: Were you in the days of the
beginning, and did you command the morning to be?]
Did you make known to the dawn what its place was? That it might take
hold of the borders of the land of Israel, and the sinners he shaken
from it? [VAR: That it might take hold of the borders of the land, and
the hands of the wicked be shaken from it.
It is changed like the clay of their seal, and it made to stand like
someone soiled. [VAR: It is changed like the clay of their seal, and
they are not broken like their bodies in that their breath is not like
the covering of a curtain]
The light of their breath is hidden from the wicked, and the uplifted
arm is broken. [VAR: And the light of the just is hidden from sinners,
and the arm of the proud is broken]
Is it possible that you have entered into the whirlpools of the
enclosure of the sea, or walked in the depths of the deep?
Is it possible that the gates of death have been revealed to you, or
have you seen the gates of the shadow of death of Gehenna?
Have you perceived as far as the expanse of the land of the garden of Eden?
Reveal (it) if you know it all.
By what way does the light dwell, and where is the place of darkness?
That you you may lead it to its border; that you you may perceive the
paths of its house.
You know, for behold you were created then, and the number of your days
is great!" [(c) 1991 The Order Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Job
38:4-21]
.JackNote: Super: #40 - Reversal/ Avoiding Activity; I-Ching: H36 -
Sinking Light; Tetra: #68 - Dimming, Ego: #2 - Contrast of Terms/
Self-Culture; I-Ching: H11 - Peace; Tetra: #16 - Contact, Nuance: #69 -
Profound Use/ Function of the Mysterious; I-Ching: H34 - Strength of
Greatness; Tetra: #22 - Resistance
.Understanding: Male Idea: #221 has 0 Categories.
--- to dig, to plow; tillage; a digger, tiller, husbandman.
--- to be arranged, adjusted.
--- to stretch out, be long; to wear on.
--- adapted, fit.
--- long, enduring.
--- delay.
--- a stripe, weal; wound, cut.
--- string of corals or pearls.
--- n. "He (god) Gives Light".
--- n. "He (God) Gives Light".
--- n. ""watering"; watering; the autumnal or early rain.
--- spring rain.
--- to surround; to dig or pierce; to be dirty; turbid stream; dirt,
muddiness.
--- to pierce; to be pained, grieved.
--- (871 w/f); so that not, lest.
--- pressure, affliction.
--- profound or unsearchable things.
Female Idea: #231 has 0 Categories.
(The number of Hebrew letters taken two at a time without repetition,
the 231 gates of the Sepher Yetzirah)
--- delaying.
--- n. "Yah is a shelter".
--- n. "founded by Yah".
--- the thigh.
--- as the lion; they surround.
--- to dread, eye with alarm.
--- outgoing, expense.
guardian Snow
> No, honestly I'm not, but I'd like the fighting to end. The human
> race has bigger problems to worry about, like survival, and the ned of
> it is closing in fast. I've already been warned in a dream and it is
> coming to be right before my eyes, and it has little to do with religion
> and everything to do with some belief...we haven't got long...4 years tops.
>
> I'd like to see the warring stop and people begin to work together to
> end problems created by the super wealthy and governing bodies.
Rod, In a scriptural sense I wouldn't worry about your vision and
would disregard it. To that end, it would have nothing to do with
Christian scriptures that read:
1Jn 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every spirit, but prove the
spirits, whether they are of Elohim, because many false prophets have
gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of Elohim: Every spirit that
confesses that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is of Elohim,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that יהושע Messiah has
come in the flesh is not of Elohim. And this is the spirit of the anti-
messiah which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.
1Jn 4:4 You are of Elohim, little children, and have overcome them,
because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.1
Footnote: 1See Messiah in you in Explanatory Notes.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world, therefore they speak as of the world,
and the world hears them.
So, unless the spirit came to you in his set apart name and spoke of
him in the flesh, it's fairly easy to disregard it as a false vision.
The other part of this line of thought is that the spirit always comes
with a message of repentance to those it's been delivered to.
Eze 18:28 “Because he sees and turns away from all the transgressions
which he has done, he shall certainly live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 “And the house of Yisra’ĕl have said, ‘The way of יהוה is
not right.’ Are My ways not right, O house of Yisra’ĕl? Is it not your
ways that are not right?
Eze 18:30 “Therefore I judge you, O house of Yisra’ĕl, every one
according to his ways,” declares the Master יהוה. “Repent, and turn
back from all your transgressions, and let not crookedness be a
stumbling-block to you.
Eze 18:31 “Cast away from you all the transgressions, by which you
have transgressed, and make for yourselves a new heart and a new
spirit. For why should you die, O house of Yisra’ĕl?
Eze 18:32 “For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,”
declares the Master יהוה. “So turn back and live!”
Take it to heart,
Rod
Exactly why it has my undivided attention. More to follow, but not here.
Guardian Snow
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>
>
>
> > Innews:LxQBk.1233$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,> >>> Innews:EKPBk.1005$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
> >>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> >>>> guardian Snow wrote:
> >>> [snip]
>
> >>>>> I am not Satan but have
> >>>>> played the advocate
> >>>> Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
>
> >>>> Rod
>
> >> Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
> >> your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
> >> 12/21/2012
> >> and how it relates to scriptures ?
>
> > Mayan prophecy? What is that?
>
> Google Mayan prophecy, 2012
>
> --
> In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
>
> "Rod, <316>...
>
> You guys are married, right?"
>
> "I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
> Just
> a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
> and Sully from Monsters inc."
>
> "Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
> "What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake of
> the kids"?"
You know... I've had a thought about what you said... Your right
Rod. I had a good long think about things.
I've gotten rid of the stupid I hate chung spam site for starters.
----------------------
Vera, I'm sorry. That doesn't mean my belief has changed about other
topics and I'm sure you'll continue boring attacks on peoples
character instead of actually preaching the Good News.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
Remember, a real decision is measured by the fact that you've taken
new action. If there's no action, you haven't truly decided.
Tony Robbins
dolf
Spirit talking to you? My answer to this is that in the beginning of
of understanding: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with
God, and the word was God." [John 1:1]
.JackNote: Super: #40 - Reversal/ Avoiding Activity; I-Ching: H36 -
Sinking Light; Tetra: #68 - Dimming, Ego: #2 - Contrast of Terms/
Self-Culture; I-Ching: H11 - Peace; Tetra: #16 - Contact, Nuance: #69 -
Profound Use/ Function of the Mysterious; I-Ching: H34 - Strength of
Greatness; Tetra: #22 - Resistance
.Understanding: Male Idea: #221 has 0 Categories.
--- to dig, to plow; tillage; a digger, tiller, husbandman.
--- to be arranged, adjusted.
--- to stretch out, be long; to wear on.
--- adapted, fit.
--- long, enduring.
--- delay.
--- a stripe, weal; wound, cut.
--- string of corals or pearls.
--- n. "He (god) Gives Light".
--- n. "He (God) Gives Light".
--- n. "watering"; watering; the autumnal or early rain.
--- spring rain.
--- to surround; to dig or pierce; to be dirty; turbid stream; dirt,
muddiness.
--- to pierce; to be pained, grieved.
--- so that not, lest.
--- pressure, affliction.
--- profound or unsearchable things.
Female Idea: #231 has 0 Categories.
(The number of Hebrew letters taken two at a time without repetition,
the 231 gates of the Sepher Yetzirah)
--- delaying.
--- n. "Yah is a shelter".
--- n. "founded by Yah".
--- the thigh.
--- as the lion; they surround.
--- to dread, eye with alarm.
--- outgoing, expense.
"Where were you when I was laying the foundation of the world? Tell me
if you have understanding. Who set its measure--surely you know--or who
stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who cast its
corner stone?
In the time when the stars of the morning praised as one, and all the
bands of the angels exulted.
And he covered over and locked up the sea with gates; in its rushing out
it comes forth from the deep, from the womb, when I set the clouds as
its garment, and its thick darkness as its swaddling band. And I cut off
my ordinance for it, and I set the rocks like bolts and doors [VAR: banks].
And I said, 'To here shall you come and no further, and there shall your
proud waves be dried up. Have you, since your days (began), commanded
the morning to be? Have you made known to the dawn its place? [VAR: Were
you in the days of the beginning, and did you command the morning to be?]
Did you make known to the dawn what its place was? That it might take
hold of the borders of the land of Israel, and the sinners be shaken
from it? [VAR: That it might take hold of the borders of the land, and
the hands of the wicked be shaken from it]
It is changed like the clay of their seal, and it made to stand like
someone soiled. [VAR: It is changed like the clay of their seal, and
they are not broken like their bodies in that their breath is not like
the covering of a curtain] The light of their breath is hidden from the
wicked, and the uplifted arm is broken. [VAR: And the light of the just
is hidden from sinners, and the arm of the proud is broken]
Is it possible that you have entered into the whirlpools of the
enclosure of the sea, or walked in the depths of the deep? Is it
possible that the gates of death have been revealed to you, or have you
seen the gates of the shadow of death of Gehenna? Have you perceived as
far as the expanse of the land of the garden of Eden?
Reveal (it) if you know it all.
By what way does the light dwell, and where is the place of darkness?
That you may lead it to its border; that you may perceive the paths of
its house. You know, for behold you were created then, and the number of
your days is great!" [(c) 1991 The Order Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum
of Job 38:4-21]
That this hypostatic mathematical and javascript semantical declaration
as function of governance which the many call religion has a default
Kabbalistic mathematical/chronological prime directive (of which you can
do nothing (participation may be voluntary) because it is part of the
software function intrinsic to being a homosapien) and also relates to
the theory of number, language, psych and soul.
GIZMO[zen][row][col] = {zone : {}, nous: [zone]}
var GIZMO = {
1 : {
1 : {
1 : {11 : {}, nous: [11]}, 2 : {18 : {}, nous: [18]}, 3 :
{13 : {}, nous: [13]},
4 : {74 : {}, nous: [74]}, 5 : {81 : {}, nous: [81]}, 6 :
{76 : {}, nous: [76]},
7 : {29 : {}, nous: [29]}, 8 : {36 : {}, nous: [36]}, 9 :
{31 : {}, nous: [31]}
},
2 : {
1 : {16 : {}, nous: [16]}, 2 : {14 : {}, nous: [14]}, 3 :
{12 : {}, nous: [12]},
4 : {79 : {}, nous: [79]}, 5 : {77 : {}, nous: [77]}, 6 :
{75 : {}, nous: [75]},
7 : {34 : {}, nous: [34]}, 8 : {32 : {}, nous: [32]}, 9 :
{30 : {}, nous: [30]}
},
…
}
}
Since this quote from [Colossians 1:15-23 (KJV)] was written in about 62
CE as ‘Construing a Guide/ Practise Reason; I-Ching: H23 -
Disintegration; Tetra: #70 - Severence’ relates to a preeminent Jewish
understanding of the celestial hierarchy as a function of Greco-Roman
Governance and to which the Magic Square of the time also corresponded.
We are talking about their claimed religious belief as Christian
identity being irrational, as a figment of their own self-delusion. That
is because one cannot get a rational explanation from them for that
belief. I say again, by your own admission: ‘things based on faith which
cannot be explained rationally’, any dialog with you on religious
values, identity and obligations by the Roman Catholic Church towards
any recognition of the autonomic right to regulative free-will is
irrational and incommensurate.
That in the absence of a teleological statement of belief which is
compliant with the sovereign autonomic right of being a citizen of state
and participant in its function of governance as regulative free-will,
the foolish seem to be so ready to agree:
Jeff (Jeff Hickling aka 1stCentur...@Traditionalist.com): “There
used to be a professing Sodomite encourager who went by the name of Dolf
who was heavily into Aids, anyone heard about him lately?”
“Take heed unto thyself, and the doctrines; continue in them: for in
doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” [1
Timothy 4:16 (KJV)]
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "The name 'Adolf' seems to have
become unpopular for some reason lately. Even so, people are still named
Adoph, and shortening it to "Dolf" only reminds me of Hitler more
strongly. A name is just a name - nobody is ever (should be ever) judged
by their name!"
dolf: "Perhaps I should tell you my theory of online fucks and the 'Thin
Blue Line': It involves online activity by which persons are subject to
a process of thinning as elimination and is informally held by the
police, to refer to the point of intervention, as typically being in the
context as situations of civil unrest."
Guardian Snow (aka phoenix...@yahoo.com.au /
snowp...@eck.net.au): “He seems to have really taken an interest in
me. Should I be concerned?”
Spiritual Counterfeits Project: Tal Brooke (baba aka
bb...@terra.spoof.net / ram...@inorbit.com): “Dolf lives in Australia,
is a gay activist, very much into kabbalah/gematria, probably a genius,
difficult to understand unless you have a background in
kabbalah/gematria, looney.
Why should you be concerned? (LOL) He probably thinks you understand
him. If I were you I wouldn’t worry about him.”
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "To be honest, that sounds like
a compliment."
Super: #31 - Military Strategies as Guides/ Quelling War; I-Ching: H32 -
Endurance; Tetra: #51 - Constancy, Ego: #37 - Non-Deeming Action/
Administration of Government; I-Ching: H40 - Deliverance; Tetra: #21 -
Release, Nuance: #21 - Guiding and the Physical/ Emptying the Heart;
I-Ching: H31 - Influence; Tetra: #42 - Going to Meet
.Understanding: Male Idea: #164 has 0 Categories.
--- n. “Small”.
--- outer; civil (profane).
--- dainty (of food).
--- knowledge, understanding
--- to cut or hew.
Female Idea: #102 has 0 Categories.
--- firmness; security; faithfulness.
--- to eat greedily, to swallow down; to destroy utterly.
--- the space between two hosts (armies); sons.
--- possession, control; property; Baal; Lord; to marry, to be
husband; master; to rule; to reject or despise.
--- n. “Pleasantness”.
--- n. “Bright”.
--- n. “Flowing”, “Melting”; “Lent Succor by God”.
--- to shine, to be splendid.
--- to set, establish; to be set, firm, sure.
--- to sport or jest.
--- precious or costly things.
--- a circle (of persons sitting in company); round about.
--- servant or worshipper of Yahweh.
--- to swell, to rise up.
--- to prevail.
Guardian Snow: “I’m not, but it doesn’t hurt to ask questions. Somebody
seemed interested enough to mention him.”
“Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human beings
have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives and
create a meaning that dis-empowers them or one that can literally save
their lives.” [Tony Robbins]
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "That should be ...'SOME human
beings...' I reckon?"
Guardian Snow: “I still don’t understand. Sorry.”
“Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
But he held his peace, and answered nothing.”
Guardian Snow: “Your entitled to your opinion and your judgments of me
do not define me, they define you. I do not feel I have wronged you, so
don’t hold your breath waiting for me to apologize.”
“Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the
Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
Guardian Snow: “The Good News of (Hebrew: Jeshua) Messiah is about
righteous behaviour and not condemnation which you have already put
forward. I was honest with you and you’ve already labelled me a
‘fa[s]cist’ when I stated that I respect your point of view.”
“And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the
right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high
priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye?”
Guardian Snow: “You stated I was, ‘sprouting nonsense’ when I attempted
to point out scriptures. Your cut and paste rant makes no sense to me
still and maybe you should work on making it less about an accusation
and more clear. I really don’t understand a single thing your talking
about.”
“And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. And some began to
spit on him, and to cover his face, and to buffet him, and to say unto
him, Prophesy: and the servants did strike him with the palms of their
hands.” [Mark 14:60-65]
“‘Men have forgotten this truth,’ said the fox. ‘But you must not forget
it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.’ And now
here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the heart that
one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the eye.”
[Antoine de Saint-Exupery]
dolf: "Be sure that the your fascist american religious cult registered
in Houston Texas USA, shows proper respect to State--ours!"
Guardian Snow: "Dolf sounds like a German name. Why do you hold this
belief? Anyways, thank you for posting and have a great day."
dolf: "That Guardian Snow originally took exception to my quote of the
scriptures."
Guardian Snow: "You incorrectly called him the "Son of Joseph", so I
take [it] you subscribe to a different source?"
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "This 'son of man' is
intriguing? I thought Jesus was supposed to be the son of God?"
dolf: "I quoted [John 1:45] correctly from the NKJV as saying 'Jesus of
Nazareth, the son of Joseph {increase; addition}'. That Phillip made
this statement is correct and that I was correct in saying the bible
said so. That Guardian Snow is knowingly being dishonest. I'll add this
discussion back in the other thread rather than contend with what you
abbreviated satanic drivel..."
Linda Lee (lindag...@juno.com): "foold, How coincidental and telling
you also [since you] call his posts satanic drivel when they are mainly
direct quotes from the Scriptures. Take your Gematria nonsense elsewhere."
dolf: "Its impossible to get justice within Australia, that we are
unnecessarily burdened as Judaeo-Christians and observers of the
Everlasting Covenant, by others who show no respect for our autonomic
sovereign and intellectual property rights. Learn to show respect oh
daughter of babylon who sits in the thoroughfares!"
Linda Lee (lindag...@juno.com): "I know that you are wrong, in my
case at least, because if I could find evidence I had been wrong about
Paul being the false apostle that he undoubtedly is, I would admit it
here at length, so that I could be accurate. I keep looking and the
evidence still keeps stacking up against Paul.
I believe the root of your pro-Paul stuff is IGNORANCE of the teachings
of the Messiah AND the teachings of Paul's other gospel:
If you people don't change your ways, this will be you someday: Matthew
7:21-23]
What was the will of the Father in Heaven? [Exodus 20:3-17]
The Messiah continues his atonishing doctrines in [Matthew 7:24-29]"
Spiritual Counterfeits Project: Tal Brooke ("Nexuspam"@paiylo,com /
Obtused Google Profile ): "To quote from that site Guardian Snow links
to on a general basis:
"Beware of distortions of Paul's writings": Jesus Christ and all of His
apostles, including Paul, taught the same. They all regarded the Old
Testament Scriptures as the foundation of the Christian way of life. But
Paul's writings have been greatly misinterpreted from the first century
until this day.
For that reason Peter warns us to beware of distorted applications of
Paul's writings. Here is Peter's warning: "Bear in mind that our Lord's
patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to
you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his
letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some
things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people
distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." [2
Peter 3:15-16, NIV]
Those who have accepted the distortions of Paul's letters have derailed
themselves from the truth. That is partly why modern Christianity is so
divided and typically becoming more and more like the world rather than
coming out of it."
That sums it up right there, better these folks LISTEN now before it's
too late. [I believe the root of this anti-Paul stuff is PRIDE] Have a
great day G.N. Runner! Tbc .." [A message for Christians from SATAN,
0456 hours 23 September 2008]
Guardian Snow: "Vera (Good News Runner), I'm sorry. That doesn't mean my
belief has changed about other topics and I'm sure you'll continue
boring attacks on peoples character instead of actually preaching the
Good News.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is a
moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam."
"Remember, a real decision is measured by the fact that you've taken new
action. If there's no action,you haven't truly decided." [Tony Robbins]
Jude Alexander (A ca...@thebayou.wet): "Take your pretense at honesty
and stuff it up your ass because I am not fooled. I take back my
apology. I thought that perhaps you were okay and that I had "jumped the
gun." However, I see now that I had you pegged at first. Your "civility"
is thinning disguised. I don't claim that I'm civil. I hope TO GOD that
I'm not (as well as others) so that we can get through that fog ridden
mind set of people like you." [The Debauchery of American Womanhood:
Bikini vs. Burka, 2229 hours 27 August 2008]
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "I am actually 'okay', and am
quite content that my response to your unwarranted attack was justified.
From the reactions of others to your venom and vitriol, I assume you
habitually use aggression and foul language to bluster and intimidate
'opponents' (as you see them) into submission? That is called 'bullying'
in my book, and is unacceptable. Furthermore, I respond to it in kind,
and with appropriate measure, since I will never be intimidated by words
on a screen." [The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka,
2153 hours 28 August 2008]
Jude Alexander (A ca...@thebayou.wet): "Of course, sex shouldn't be in
the context of humilation and anger. Yes, of course, only some men rape.
You're a freaking idiot and rape apologist of a sort if you want to
continue in your ignorance those men that DO rape do so because of
sexual frustration. Get a fucking education. I'm through being nice to
such abject ignorance and arrogance." [The Debauchery of American
Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka, 0505 hours 22 August 2008]
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "You don't have to be female to
be called a 'bitch' of course Jude. Whether you are a nigger, wog, coon,
spick or roaring queen is of no relevance - and nothing to be ashamed
of. As for me being a 'pigboy', I am flattered that one of my age is
still considered a 'boy', and the pig happens to be one of my favourite
animals - delicious.
Your preoccupation with 'asses' (by which I presume you mean arses), is
most unsavoury and perhaps revealing of your inner arsesoul... an area
best left to the imagination I suspect. I have yet to hear the word
'skank' adequately explained, we don't use it over this side of the
pond." [The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka, 0639
hours 31 August 2008]
Jude Alexander (A ca...@thebayou.wet): "You are, what is called,
throwing a smoke screen around the issue. The issue of rape was enough
removed from the issue of johns vs. hookers. You have tried to put up a
smokescreen to confuse the issue." [The Debauchery of American
Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka, 2229 hours 27 August 2008]
dolf: "If I've misrepresented you get back to me."
- dolf
http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/aboutDolf.html
dolf
var GIZMO = {
belief. I say again, by your own admission: ‘things based on faith which
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is a
moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam."
"Remember, a real decision is measured by the fact that you've taken new
- dolf
http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/aboutDolf.html
Rod
What is that wise old Chinese proverb.... a journey of a thousand
miles begins with a single step ?
Hopefully this is contagious and others will catch it!
Thank you Snow, I appreciate your efforts.
--
In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
"Rod, <316>...
You guys are married, right?"
"I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
Just
a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
and Sully from Monsters inc."
"Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
"What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake of
the kids"?"
--
guardian Snow
> > [I believe the root of this anti-Paul stuff is PRIDE]
>
> I know that you are wrong, in my case at least, because if I could
> find evidence I had been wrong about Paul being the false apostle that
> he undoubtedly is, I would admit it here at length, so that I could be
> accurate. I keep looking and the evidence still keeps stacking up
> against Paul.
>
> I believe the root of your pro-Paul stuff is IGNORANCE of the
> teachings of the Messiah AND the teachings of Paul's other gospel.
I'm with you.. I wish that it weren't true but the overwhelming
evidence is that Paul is double minded and he admits it by his own
account.
Jas 1:7 For that man should not think that he shall receive whatever
from the Master –
Jas 1:8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
Look at this:
Jas 4:8 Draw near to Elohim and He shall draw near to you. Cleanse
hands, sinners. And cleanse the hearts, you double-minded!
Jas 4:9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to
mourning and your joy to dejection.
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Master, and He shall
lift you up.
Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
a judge.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone
called ‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to eat
with such a one.
How do you not keep company with 'a brother' if you have not judged
him to be those things? You must judge him to be a drunkard and then
not keep company with him according to Paul.
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
Chuck Stamford
"guardian Snow" <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:9de8aa71-97aa-4880...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 12:51 am, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
> played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the work
> of Paul.
>
> Chuck:
>
> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
Would you deny the Messiah came to call sinners to repentance?
Chuck:
I said I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness. Now,
was that sentence not clear to you?
Chuck Stamford
"Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
news:UkTBk.1015$x%.330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
I think you misspelled "redress".
>
>
> If
>> you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns you,
>> do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
>> Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
>>
>> But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all you
>> will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace, because
>> you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor, and you will
>> have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
>>
>> It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your views
>> onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
>
> Yea, I tried to lay a foundation for peace and I'mk agressive, militant
> and dishonest.
>
> There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually
> THINK !
Vera thinks just fine most of the time, Rod. Much better than many in here.
Speaking of thinking, what reasoning do you employ to arrive at the
conclusion that your dream should be of any import to anyone, including
yourself?
Rod
Rod
to repentance?
--
::: good news runner :::
news:6748f57a-a50d-42f5...@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Guardian Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> typed:
> I've gotten rid of the stupid I hate chung spam site for starters.
>
> ----------------------
> Vera, I'm sorry. That doesn't mean my belief has changed about other
> topics and I'm sure you'll continue boring attacks on peoples
> character instead of actually preaching the Good News.
Forgiven on my part. I cannot speak for Fred or Andrew, though. Getting
rid of those childish hate blogs was the only right thing to do and
harmed your own witness more than anyone else's. Claiming to be a
Christian and at the same time spitting hate does not really go
together. That was why I did not leave your links on my Google group. I
am sorry if that hurt you - but it was the *only* right thing to do, and
I am glad that you came to the same result finally.
With regard to your belief, you are of course entitled to believe
whatever you please, no matter how idiotic it might look to me or
others. But you will have to accept that I am entitled to my belief as
well, and also to express it in these newsgroups that deal with the
Christian faith.
If you attack Paul, you attack me, too, and all the Christians who
believe that the whole Bible is God's Word, and that He is able to
decide what is in and what is out of that in 2000 years. Christians are
all the Body of Christ, andif you hurt one part of it, the whole Body
suffers.
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
> Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
> a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>
> Remember, a real decision is measured by the fact that you've taken
> new action. If there's no action, you haven't truly decided.
> Tony Robbins
>
>
> http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures f
::: vera :::
::: good news runner :::
Angel Fire *** <Nexuspam@paiylo,com> typed:
That is right!
Have a great day, too, TBC!
::: vera :::
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>> In news:LxQBk.1233$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>> In news:EKPBk.1005$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>>> I am not Satan but have
>>>>>> played the advocate
>>>>> Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>>
>>> Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
>>> your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
>>> 12/21/2012
>>> and how it relates to scriptures ?
>>
>> Mayan prophecy? What is that?
>>
>
>
> Google Mayan prophecy, 2012
I do not think that this is anything Christian - so why should I look it
up?
::: good news runner :::
So?
We are in Christian newsgroups here - so let us concentrate on Jesus
return.
>>> I'd like to see the warring stop and people begin to work together
>>> to end problems created by the super wealthy and governing bodies.
>>
>> So what are you doing in Christian newsgroups? Why not crawl back to
>> your politician groups?
>>
>> You are dishonest, Rod, and your aims are pushing some political
>> views through.
>
> What political views would those be Vera ? I'm interested in
> everyones survival.
What do I know? Greenpeace or the like... You will know better, of
course.
>> I must disappoint you - you are in the wrong group for that.
>
> I'm inclined to agree with you, for my intent was to address
> christians.
How would you know who are Christians and who are not? Your views on
that are completely biased and completely wrong, as muc as your view on
God is.
> If
>> you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns
>> you, do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
>> Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
>>
>> But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all
>> you will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace,
>> because you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor,
>> and you will have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
>>
>> It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your
>> views onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
>
> Yea, I tried to lay a foundation for peace and I'mk agressive,
> militant and dishonest.
What did you lay? I guess you are dreaming of that...
> There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually
> THINK !
Oh really? I am so happy for you.
::: good news runner :::
news:c7441367-89c8-4b2b...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> typed:
So Linda, how many pages does your Bible have?
10?
Less?
> It does sound, however, like the UCG church preaches adherence to the
> Ten Commandments as Yahashua` the Messiah taught and your false
> apostle rejected.
Linda Lee
wrote:
> Innews:c7441367-89c8-4b2b...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com,
> Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> typed:
You already know I accept the prophets, the REAL apostles, and the
Messiah as God incarnate, so quit lying, Vera; all liars go to
hell ...but of course you don't believe what John had to say on the
subject of lying; all deliberate sins are acceptable for you and the
rest of you false apostle worshippers.
We are in Christian newsgroups here - so let us concentrate on Christ,
not your false apostle Paul. It's CHRISTianity, NOT PAUL-IANITY.
>
> > It does sound, however, like the UCG church preaches adherence to the
> > Ten Commandments as Yahashua` the Messiah taught and your false
> > apostle rejected.
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Rod
By your actions.
> Your views on
> that are completely biased and completely wrong, as much as your view on
> God is.
Views change, people change, times change, events happen, opinions
are formed, beliefs begin, solid foundations are built, what was
yesterday for me may not be tomorrow.
>
>> If
>>> you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns
>>> you, do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
>>> Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
>>>
>>> But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all
>>> you will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace,
>>> because you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor,
>>> and you will have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
>>>
>>> It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your
>>> views onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
>> Yea, I tried to lay a foundation for peace and I'mk agressive,
>> militant and dishonest.
>
> What did you lay? I guess you are dreaming of that...
>
>
>> There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually
>> THINK !
>
> Oh really? I am so happy for you.
I apologize for the insults Vera. Sometimes combative attitudes
provoke a like response in me.
Rod
> In news:EaTBk.1011$x%.428@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>> In news:LxQBk.1233$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>> In news:EKPBk.1005$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not Satan but have
>>>>>>> played the advocate
>>>>>> Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rod
>>>> Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
>>>> your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
>>>> 12/21/2012
>>>> and how it relates to scriptures ?
>>> Mayan prophecy? What is that?
>>>
>>
>> Google Mayan prophecy, 2012
>
> I do not think that this is anything Christian - so why should I look it
> up?
Many times, in many ways a voice has crossed the gulf and reached out
to humanity in an attempt to get a message across to men. Some men
received it well, others distorted it's meanings, and others yet twisted
it to evil ends such as the catholic church. Many races of people have
heard the voice and tried in earnest to understand the message. The
Cheyenne, Arapaho, Souix, Hopi's, Incas, Mayas. Man has not always
copied the message as it was sent.
It many times pays to know who belongs to humanity, and who doesn't...
Rod
Dolf, hope you are getting well..
Terry Cross
> >>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> >>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
> >>>>> [snip]
>
> >>>>>>> I am not Satan but have
> >>>>>>> played the advocate
> >>>>>> Quite an enlightening post Snow, thanks.
>
> >>>>>> Rod
> >>>> Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
> >>>> your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
> >>>> 12/21/2012
> >>>> and how it relates to scriptures ?
> >>> Mayan prophecy? What is that?
>
> >> Google Mayan prophecy, 2012
>
> > I do not think that this is anything Christian - so why should I look it
> > up?
>
> Many times, in many ways a voice has crossed the gulf and reached out
> to humanity in an attempt to get a message across to men. Some men
> received it well, others distorted it's meanings, and others yet twisted
> it to evil ends such as the catholic church. Many races of people have
> heard the voice and tried in earnest to understand the message. The
> Cheyenne, Arapaho, Souix, Hopi's, Incas, Mayas.
Wow. What a concept! So all that torturing, human sacrifice, war-for-
the-fun-of-it, and self-mutilation was in obedience to a voice from on
high?
This is such an educational forum.
TCross
Sensi
> On Sep 21, 10:48 pm, Sensi <sensi4si...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>> Satan’s Advocate – A message from Satan to you.
>>> Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not
>>> under the law, but under grace.
>>> It’s a good thing we are not under the law anymore and I Satan,
>>> recognize that Jesus saved me.
>>> Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the
>>> devils also believe, and tremble.
>>> It’s a good thing because I was worried about that pit of darkness
>>> thing but now that I know that I am saved and no longer required to
>>> obey the law of God, I know I can do as I please.
>>> 1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not
>>> expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought
>>> under the power of any.
>>> Amen, I don’t have to even worry about being under the authority of
>>> any… Isn’t that just a blessed and beautiful thing. It’s his word and
>>> I can count on it as true because the greatest Apostle Paul said so.
>>> So now that I’m no longer under the law, and I’m dead to my sin, I can
>>> do as I please.
>>> Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto
>>> sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
>>> No longer will my sin be remembered and now I am alive.
>>> Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me
>>> all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
>>> My sins are dead and it’s no wonder that I can now freely practice
>>> evil.
>>> Php 3:2 Look out for dogs, look out for the evil workers, look out for
>>> the mutilation!
>>> Make sure that you don’t circumcise yourself and beware those evil
>>> judaizing dogs. Just because Jesus came for sinners and ate and kept
>>> company with those nasty tax collectors remember:
>>> 1Co 15:33 Do not be led astray, “Evil company corrupts good habits.”
>>> So stay with me because I’m good now and judge all those inside the
>>> church for yourself
>>> 1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your thinking, but in evil
>>> be babes, and in your thinking be perfect.
>>> Just don’t think about it..
>>> 1Co 13:5 does not behave indecently, does not seek its own, is not
>>> provoked, reckons not the evil,
>>> 1Co 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone
>>> called ‘a brother,’ if he is one who whores, or greedy of gain, or an
>>> idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler – not even to eat
>>> with such a one.
>>> together without the law, we shall enter into the kingdom.
>>> Rom 14:16 Do not then allow your good to be spoken of as evil.
>>> Don’t tolerate anybody telling you your evil. Ignore the Sabbath and
>>> let’s worship on the day of our choice.
>>> Gal 4:9 But now after you have known Elohim, or rather are known by
>>> Elohim, how do you turn again to the weak and poor elementary matters,
>>> 1 to which you wish to be enslaved again? Footnote: 1See v.3, Col. 2:8
>>> & 20.
>>> Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
>>> Gal 4:11 I fear for you, lest by any means I have laboured for you in
>>> vain.
>>> Gal 4:12 Brothers, I beg you to become as I am, because I am as you
>>> are. You did not wrong me at all.
>>> Gal 4:13 But you know that through weakness of the flesh I brought the
>>> Good News to you before.
>>> And the good news is that we are all saved without any works of our
>>> own behalf.
>>> Rom 3:27 Where, then, is the boasting? It is shut out. By what Torah?
>>> Of works? No, but by the Torah of belief.
>>> Rom 3:28 For we reckon that a man is declared right by belief without
>>> works of Torah.
>>> Without the works of Torah we are declared right by belief and I
>>> believe alright that I am righteous and true.
>>> I could go on and on but just beware
>>> Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who
>>> came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus,
>>> that they might bring us into bondage:
>>> Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour;
>>> that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
>>> Don’t let anybody subject you to the law. Stay in the liberty that I
>>> have granted you by his name.
>>> I Satan declare myself a servant of Christ:
>>> Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
>>> into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
>>> Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and
>>> would pervert the gospel of Christ.
>>> Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other
>>> gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
>>> accursed.
>>> Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
>>> but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
>>> Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the
>>> Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of
>>> God, and wasted it:
>>> Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's
>>> womb, and called me by his grace,
>>> Gal 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I
>>> lie not.
>>> Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in
>>> times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
>>> Gal 1:24 And they glorified God in me.
>>> Now bow down and glorify God in me.
>>> 2Co 12:14 See, I am ready to come to you for the third time. And I
>>> shall not be a burden to you, for I do not seek yours, but you. For
>>> the children should not lay up for the parents, but the parents for
>>> the children.
>>> 2Co 12:15 And I shall most gladly spend and be spent for your lives.
>>> If I love you more and more, am I to be loved less?
>>> 2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you. But being crafty, did I
>>> catch you with guile?
>>> 2Co 12:17 Did I take advantage of you by any of those whom I sent to
>>> you?
>>> 2Co 12:9 And He said to me, “My favour is sufficient for you, for My
>>> power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, then, I shall rather
>>> boast in my weaknesses, so that the power of Messiah rests on me.
>>> 2Co 12:11 I have become a fool – you have compelled me. For I should
>>> have been commended by you, for in no respect was I behind the most
>>> eminent emissaries, though I am a nobody.
>>> 2Co 12:12 Indeed, the signs of an emissary were wrought among you with
>>> all endurance, in signs and wonders and powers.
>>> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but have
>>> played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come from the work
>>> of Paul.
>> Sensi:
>> Your point is taken and understood. In my view Paul wanted
>> to be the next Christ, the peoples *savior* as Jesus was.
>> I must stress that I don't think his beliefs come from
>> Satan, as that entity personality whose desire is to only
>> squelch the good of God.
>
>
> Actually, Satan's desire was to 'become as God'. And if Paul wanted to
> become the next Christ; he was attempting to 'become as God'.
>
Sensi:
Being called a HE does not give Satan a personification with
a bodily figure who whispers in our ear, do this, do that.
This.. *He,* does not represent an evil male figure
desiring to be God just as wisdom often referred to as a
*She* is not a female figure desiring to be wise.
So when you say Satan's desire was to 'become as God' it
sounds strange to me since Satan is not a being fighting to
take over the world.
I see Satan more as a *form* of weakness that is part of
human nature that tends to see things in a negative
light,darkness if you will rather than a positive light, in
knowing that God has full control and in that control bids
us to come into awareness of HIM and his workings to help us
reach for a higher cause of being godly as Father tends to
child, nudging and sometimes pushing rather than keeping us
in a fearful state that we choose to remain in a lower state
of being which is what Satan is all about.
> Personally, because of some things in the Scriptures and in Paul's
> writings, I believe Paul preached another Christ and considered
> himself the chief apostle of this hellenized form of the Saviour.
>
Sensi:
As far as Paul. Heck, I don't know what he was up to. All I
know is I'm responsible for me and my soul, today.
It's very hard to back peddle into history and try to assume
we know what was going on in someones mind when we really
only have a small portion to go by.
I prefer to think Paul had good intentions but didn't have
all the knowledge he needed at the time.
I leave it at that.
Thanks,
Sensi
> In Acts 22:25-29 & in Acts 23:27 it is made clear Paul is a Roman
> citizen (and this was not a claim made by the apostles chosen and
> trained by the Messiah).
>
> Paul was obviously what was called a "hellenizing Jew", one who wanted
> to combine Judaism with Hellenism; i.e. Greco-Roman religion and
> culture.
>
> So Paul preached Iesous Christos (meaning anointed), rather than
> Yahashua` Mashiach (in English Messiah, and in Greek Messias - meaning
> a long-expected specific 'anointed one' said to be the Saviour of the
> Jews).
>
> By what Paul himself says, there was more than one anointed one being
> preached: 2 Cor. 11:4 "For if he that cometh ****preacheth another
> Jesus,**** whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
> which ye have not received, or **another gospel,** which ye have not
> accepted, ye might well bear with him."
>
> Paul has just admitted some preached "a different Jesus" than Paul
> preached, and he is speaking in 2 Corinthians of Israelite apostles
> who undoubtedly preached Yahashua` the Messiah because Paul goes on to
> say in 2 Cor. 11:5, "For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very
> chiefest apostles". Paul was telling the Corinthians to resist the
> gospel of the Messiah (acceptance of Yahashua` and adherence to the
> Ten Commandments) and to adhere to the gospel he, Paul, has preached
> to them (acceptance of Iesous Christos and freedom from obeying the
> Ten Commandments).
>
> Paul admits here, he agrees with the law of God, but serves the "law
> of sin", IOW, Paul continues to sin:
> Rom. 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the
> mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
> sin." Paul thanks his 'god' for this, but the Messiah did not preach
> this; the Messiah cannot be the 'god' that Paul preaches.
>
> Here in the following verse Paul identifies this other gospel as 'not
> really' another gospel and claims it is a perversion of his gospel:
> Gal. 1:6-7 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called
> you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not
> another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
> gospel of Christ."
>
> Discerning what else Paul had to say throughout his writings and from
> accusations leveled against him in Acts Chapter 21 by 'believing
> Jews' (followers of the Messiah), Paul preached against the adherence
> to the Ten Commandments that the Messiah and his chosen apostles
> taught. Paul's 'other gospel' ("Which is not another" in comparison
> to the Messiah's gospel) was a lawless form of the Messiah's gospel.
>
>> Often God's good is mis-understood and we in our ignorance
>> refer to things we don't understand as dark or evil,
>> intolerant, of the devil and are much to quick to slap a
>> black label on things rather than looking at other possible
>> angles.
>
> Paul was the main proponent of his 'other gospel'. Paul tried to
> substitute his gospel (of Iesous as the 'anointed one') for the
> Messiah's gospel.
>
> The Messiah was born for this purpose: to "destroy the works of the
> devil" by the means of establishing his gospel of repentance and
> forgiveness of sins. And Paul's efforts to thwart the Messiah's
> gospel by substituting his own similar gospel (with a different
> 'anointed one', Iesous rather than Yahashua`, and freedom from obeying
> the Ten Commandments and no hint of a need for repentance of sins)
> were undoubtedly more of "the works of the devil".
>
> 1 John 3:8 "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
> might destroy the works of the devil".
>
>> My take is Paul's intentions were probably good as he
>> preached the countryside bent on rules and laws that seemed
>> reasonable to him at the time but he just didn't have the
>> same kind of heart, compassion the understanding or the
>> ability to teach the finer intricate details of the inner
>> workings of the mind and heart or perhaps lacking knowledge
>> of cause and effect/ reap what you sow as Jesus did.
>>
>> He tried and since we don't have all the details perhaps
>> we're only seeing one page of Paul's life while page 2 is
>> missing where he finally came to understand and teach that
>> which he needed to know and share. Who knows?
>
> There's no evidence of it.
>
>> No one takes him as serious as he comes across though even
>> the modern day preachers are much more tolerant that Paul
>> seemed at that time.
>>
>> I see you're sporting a fish... Does it have a hidden
>> meaning?
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
>>> Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
>>> a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
>>> Shalom,
>>> *´¨)
>>> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
>>> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>>> Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
>>> beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
>>> and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
>>> save their lives.
>>> Tony Robbins
>>> (Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
>>> (Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
>>> Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
>>> http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
>>> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
>>> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>>> o o
>>> /^^^^^7
>>> ' ' ,oO))))))))Oo,
>>> ,'))))))))))))))), /{
>>> ' ,'o ))))))))))))))))={
>>> > ))))))))))))))))={
>>> `, ))))))\ \)))))))={
>>> ',))))))))\/)))))' \{
>>> '*O))))))))O*'
>>> Freedom is not procured by a full enjoyment of what is desired, but
>>> by
>>> controlling the desire.
>>> Epictetus
>
>
Rod
Their are good and bad in every culture, but your portrayal of what i
said is false, and for the benefit of those like you. Your reputation
precedes you Terry...I've been told that you're a racist, but I'd like
very much to have your input on that.
>
> This is such an educational forum.
I'm sorry you're getting so little from it. Perhaps you have an
emotional blockage that prevents you from learning certain facts,
a learned behavior perhaps ?
>
> TCross
>
>
>
>
> Man has not always
>> copied the message as it was sent.
>>
>> It many times pays to know who belongs to humanity, and who doesn't...
Linda Lee
The 'fall of man' has brought Satan's fallen nature to all men/women.
All emotions, other than feelings that stem from real love (but not
jealousy or possessiveness), are a product of that fall.
Yet Satan is personified in the Scriptures of the apostles of the
Messiah:
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
I do understand your feelings on this matter, as for many years I
believed in God, but did not believe there had been a Devil. It was
when I finally decided that what the Messiah taught about Satan was
*also* true that my understanding and closeness to God began to
increase. I guess one cannot doubt the Messiah's words and be in a
close relationship to him. Satan is not a thing to that believers
should fear, however, as the Messiah overcame the works of the Devil
and said he saw Satan cast down from Heaven. Satan has lost his power
and awaits Judgment Day like everyone else, but his fate has already
been decided.
>
> > Personally, because of some things in the Scriptures and in Paul's
> > writings, I believe Paul preached another Christ and considered
> > himself the chief apostle of this hellenized form of the Saviour.
>
> Sensi:
> As far as Paul. Heck, I don't know what he was up to. All I
> know is I'm responsible for me and my soul, today.
> It's very hard to back peddle into history and try to assume
> we know what was going on in someones mind when we really
> only have a small portion to go by.
Paul left a lot of writings intended only for the elders of the
churches to which he sent his letters; they are very revealing as to
his mindset at the time. Although disinterest in Paul is an
improvement over making Paul the main focus of Christianity as some
do.
Rod
I believe that you just lied about me. Is that your Christianity
showing, Chuck ?
>
>>
>> If
>>> you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns you,
>>> do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
>>> Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
>>>
>>> But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all you
>>> will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace, because
>>> you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor, and you will
>>> have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
>>>
>>> It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your views
>>> onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
>> Yea, I tried to lay a foundation for peace and I'mk agressive, militant
>> and dishonest.
>>
>> There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually
>> THINK !
>
> Vera thinks just fine most of the time, Rod. Much better than many in here.
>
> Speaking of thinking, what reasoning do you employ to arrive at the
> conclusion that your dream should be of any import to anyone, including
> yourself?
>
>
Terry Cross
Nice to hear you say that. Your statement now is slightly different
from your previous.
> but your portrayal of what i
> said is false, and for the benefit of those like you. Your reputation
> precedes you Terry...I've been told that you're a racist, but I'd like
> very much to have your input on that.
Of course not. I have objected to certain tenets of Judaism and of
Zionism, and I have stated many times that those tenets, transplanted
into Islam and Christianity, are equally odious. Followers of Judaism
here accuse me of anti-Semitism because of my statements. To accuse
me of racism is easier for them than to defend the indefensible
barbarities of their creed.
> > This is such an educational forum.
>
> I'm sorry you're getting so little from it. Perhaps you have an
> emotional blockage that prevents you from learning certain facts,
> a learned behavior perhaps ?
The native American tribes you cited cannot be portrayed as more
civilized than European peoples without surpassing distortions.
American public schools tried that load of ignorati for the last
generation, and finally had to abandon the effort. It is a consummate
statement of anti-Christianity, but it was not successful.
But I now learn now it is still alive and well among people your age.
That much I learn.
TCross
cactus
Some we do and some we don't. The problem with you, Terry/Carol is that
you cannot tell the difference between something that has not been in
effect for 2500 years and something that is still in effect.
Chuck Stamford
The fact of what it is. It's a dream, for crying out loud! How many of
them have you had in the past ten years that you can't even remember now? I
doubt it has any objective value for you based on what it is, and what the
probability is (i.e., miniscule) that anything of value to you is going to
come to you via a dream. I'm also coming at this from the fact that dreams
are generally subconscious processing of recent past experiences, delivered
to us in a more or less surreal fashion. They're generally nothing more
than normal mental housecleaning.
Chuck Stamford
It was a JOKE, Rod! Are you that thick? Let me know, because I can talk
down to you if that's what you require.
Besides, even if I'd been serious, you've no basis to suggest I lied to you.
I can say a thousand things about you that are false, and not lie once, for
to "lie" requires *I* know what I'm saying is true, is actually false, and
you're not privey to what *I* know that *I* don't tell you. At MOST what
the above entitles you to suggest is, "I believe that you just said
something about me that isn't true". And yes, Rod, Christians are entitled
to be wrong on occasion without being "liars", just like you are.
Chuck Stamford
snip
> As I am asking you, Would you deny the Messiah came to call sinners to
> repentance?
Of course not. Would you?
>
> --
> In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
>
> "Rod, <316>...
>
> You guys are married, right?"
>
> "I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
> Just
> a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
> and Sully from Monsters inc."
>
> "Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
>
> "What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake
> of
> the kids"?"
This is the second time now you've put this garbage at the end of your posts
to me. Why? And why do you think of it, whatever it actually is, as a
"curse"? Am I expected to understand from the above series of loosely
connected sentences that this "Pat" from soc.religionl.quaker thinks you're
gay? And that you don't know the difference between an "accusation" and a
"curse"? Please explain yourself.
Terry Cross
> Terry Cross wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 8:18 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >> Terry Cross wrote:
> >>> On Sep 22, 7:19 pm, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
> >>>>> Innews:EaTBk.1011$x%.428@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com,
> >>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
> >>>> to humanity in an attempt to get a message across to men. Some men
> >>>> received it well, others distorted it's meanings, and others yet twisted
> >>>> it to evil ends such as the catholic church. Many races of people have
> >>>> heard the voice and tried in earnest to understand the message. The
> >>>> Cheyenne, Arapaho, Souix, Hopi's, Incas, Mayas.
> >>> Wow. What a concept! So all that torturing, human sacrifice, war-for-
> >>> the-fun-of-it, and self-mutilation was in obedience to a voice from on
> >>> high?
> >> Their are good and bad in every culture,
>
> > Nice to hear you say that. Your statement now is slightly different
> > from your previous.
>
> >> but your portrayal of what i
> >> said is false, and for the benefit of those like you. Your reputation
> >> precedes you Terry...I've been told that you're a racist, but I'd like
> >> very much to have your input on that.
>
> > Of course not. I have objected to certain tenets of Judaism and of
> > Zionism, and I have stated many times that those tenets, transplanted
> > into Islam and Christianity, are equally odious. Followers of Judaism
> > here accuse me of anti-Semitism because of my statements. To accuse
> > me of racism is easier for them than to defend the indefensible
> > barbarities of their creed.
>
> you cannot tell the difference between something that has not been in
> effect for 2500 years and something that is still in effect.
Orthodox Judaism repudiates none of it. Yes, there are milquetoast
Jews like you who pretend to broadmindedness and liberalism. But you
do not repudiate anything until others call you on it, then you back
away. And you never attack the Judaic Zionist Orthodoxy that still
preaches those "2500" year old dogmas.
You have a range of denials for use in various occasions. On the
surface, you plead "fashion" in religion, as now. E.g., In the past,
massacring gentiles was all the rage, but popularity has fallen off,
so that you reserve that pastime for Palestinians.
When cornered, you assert a translation problem. That is a rare
vein.
In severe cases where nothing else is available, you simple start
shouting:
LIES! FORGERIES! HYPOCRISY! NAZI! TERRORIST! POLYGON! FLATFOOT!
and other terrible insults.
You have done much more of that lately. Maybe your Geritol is
reaching the expiration date.
TCross
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Chuck Stamford
> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>> In news:YOQBk.754$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com,
>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>> In news:oOPBk.1006$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 23, 12:51 am, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but
>>>>>>> have played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come
>>>>>>> from the work of Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rod
>>>> Actually Chuck is on Andrews's list of convicted...
>>>>
>>>> But some are not interested in truth - they simply smear what they
>>>> can. Rod, are you just another smear finch? I have thought higher of
>>>> you...
>>> No, honestly I'm not, but I'd like the fighting to end. The human
>>> race has bigger problems to worry about, like survival, and the ned of
>>> it is closing in fast. I've already been warned in a dream and it is
>>> coming to be right before my eyes, and it has little to do with
>>> religion and everything to do with some belief...we haven't got
>>> long...4 years tops.
>>
>> And then Jesus will return?
>
> Something is shaping up to happen. The christians think Christ
> will return, the Mayans see it as the end of an age.
Rod, I checked this out. There is no similarity between "end of the age" in
the Mayan context, and "end of the age" in the Christian context. There is
also nothing having to do with a calendar and Christ's return in the
Christian context (in fact, putting Christ's return INTO any such calendar
context is STRICTLY forbidden in the Christian context!), nor any particular
alignment of the earth, Sun, and Milky Way.
We have been expecting Jesus' return every day for the last 2,000 years, and
will continue to expect His return tomorrow for the next 2,000 years if
necessary, for a day is as a thousand years with the Lord, and a thousand
years as a day. That too has nothing to do with the Mayan "prophecy", which
is highly interpretive in any case, and was in any case probably "set" on
the Mayan calendar 3,000 years ago.
For example, I just read an article on it that suggested there's nothing
more to this "prophecy" than a reference to this alignment that's going to
occur 2012. The same article noted how accomplished the Mayans were in
astronomy, and that they specialized in their observation of the Milky Way.
It suggested that with their advanced knowledge of the galaxy's movements,
and their skill in math, they were able to model that movement and determine
the year in which this alignment would occur, and then simply backtracked
from that year to their present to set their calendars. If that's what they
did, and there's no evidence I've seen to call it into question, then it's
only OBVIOUS their "end of the age" would fall on the date they used to
consruct their calendar in the first place! I mean, how "duh" does it have
to get before it stops being a source of excitement and imagination?
Mark T
> I checked this out.
You checked out. Good news ... oh ... checked "it" out ... a pity it wasn't
you.
> We have been expecting Jesus' return every day for the last 2,000 years
Faster than a speeding bullet. More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap
tall buildings in a single bound. Look! Up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a
plane. It's Christ, Son of God! Yes, it's Christ, Son of God - strange
visitor from heaven who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond
those of mortal men. Christ, Son of God - who can change the course of
mighty rivers, bend steel with his bare hands, and who disguised as the
human Jesus of Nazareth, mild-mannered carpenter in Nazareth town, fights a
neverending battle for Trooth, "Just us", and the Trew Kristyun
Fundamentalist way.
guardian Snow
You know Linda, the reason that I was trying to show you about
messengers and not angels, is that you can get the wrong meaning from
the word Angels.
Rev 12:7 And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Miḵa’ĕl and his
messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his
messengers fought,
Rev 12:8 but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for
them in the heaven any longer.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old,
called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was
thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.
It's not that I don't believe in heavenly messengers... but that we
derive the wrong meaning or idea from Angels. Do you understand this?
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
What appears to be the end of the road may simply be a bend in the
road.
Robert H. Schuller
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
Chuck Stamford
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the
fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed
heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the
brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding
all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much
better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent
name than they. Heb 1:1-4 (KJV)
And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and
leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was
transfigured before them.
3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller
on earth can white them.
4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with
Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be
here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses,
and one for Elias.
6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the
cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. Mark 9:2-7 (KJV)
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the
power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His
majesty.
17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice
came to Him from the Excellent Glory: "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am
well pleased."
18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on
the holy mountain.
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as
a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning
star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private
interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as
they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:16-21 (NKJV)
Now Christians are free to abide by any message from across the "gulf" they
hear, so long as it doesn't contradict Jesus. If it does, it's to be
rejected, totally and completely, for in God there is no shadow of turning,
and God does not mix truth with error in revealing Himself to man.
Linda Lee
wrote:
You can get the wrong meaning from the word Messenger too as the ISR
version translated what is normally translated "Angel" in relation to
God in Gen. 48:16. Only Angel or Spirit would work there.
>
> Rev 12:7 And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Miḵa’ĕl and his
> messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his
> messengers fought,
> Rev 12:8 but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for
> them in the heaven any longer.
> Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old,
> called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was
> thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.
>
> It's not that I don't believe in heavenly messengers... but that we
> derive the wrong meaning or idea from Angels. Do you understand this?
Not sure what you mean. If you mean some people worship and pray to
angels for help, I don't believe in worshipping or seeking guidance
from angels or anything other than God (who was incarnate as our
Saviour). 'Heavenly messenger' would be more accurate in some
instances than "messenger".
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>
> What appears to be the end of the road may simply be a bend in the
> road.
> Robert H. Schuller
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua<-- my sitehttp://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
cactus
Sure it does. No Orthodox Jew makes the sacrifices. No Orthodox Jew
performs treatments for leprosy. You accuse us of all sorts of hateful
things, based only on your hatred, your lies, and your reliance on
forgeries.
You have no credibility. There are entire threads devoted to your
obvious bigotry. There is no more reason in you than there is in a
Komodo dragon.
>
> You have a range of denials for use in various occasions. On the
> surface, you plead "fashion" in religion, as now. E.g., In the past,
> massacring gentiles was all the rage, but popularity has fallen off,
> so that you reserve that pastime for Palestinians.
>
I am consistent with my responses, just as you are consistent in your
antisemitic lies and bigotry.
> When cornered, you assert a translation problem. That is a rare
> vein.
?
>
> In severe cases where nothing else is available, you simple start
> shouting:
>
> LIES! FORGERIES! HYPOCRISY! NAZI! TERRORIST! POLYGON! FLATFOOT!
> and other terrible insults.
They are. That's your site, Carol Valentine. It contains antisemitic
materials and forgeries.
<snip>
Linda Lee
> "Chucky Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
> > I checked this out.
>
> You checked out. Good news ... oh ... checked "it" out ... a pity it wasn't
> you.
>
> > We have been expecting Jesus' return every day for the last 2,000 years
>
> Faster than a speeding bullet. More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap
> tall buildings in a single bound. Look! Up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a
> plane. It's Christ, Son of God! Yes, it's Christ, Son of God - strange
> visitor from heaven who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond
> those of mortal men. Christ, Son of God - who can change the course of
> mighty rivers, bend steel with his bare hands, and who disguised as the
> human Jesus of Nazareth, mild-mannered carpenter in Nazareth town, fights a
> neverending battle for Trooth, "Just us", and the Trew Kristyun
> Fundamentalist way.
Your ridicule of the Messiah is disgusting and is not at all cute.
Linda Lee
> "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:iAZBk.793$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > Chuck Stamford wrote:
> >> "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
> >>news:UkTBk.1015$x%.330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
You're overlooking the fact that your "JOKE" was an accusation that
Rod was redressing Christians when he said he was simply addressing
them. Most people don't find jokes at their expense real funny. Now,
instead of apologizing for the false accusation, you accuse him of
being "thick" and threatening to 'talk down' to him. And it is not up
to you to tell him what he's entitled to say to you while you feel
freely 'entitled' to falsely accuse, verbally attack, and denigrate
him. Not good, chuck.
Why don't you answer Rod's question?
Is that your [Pauline] Christianity showing, Chuck ?
guardian Snow
No doubt Linda.. We have to really be on our toes and check the
sources. I found another one in Revelation:
Rev 8:13 And I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in mid-heaven,
crying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling upon the
earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three
messengers who are about to sound!”
I'm not saying ISR is perfect my friend... here eagle is aggelos or
messenger. I'm just pointing this out for better understanding and
less confusion.
Terry Cross
Notice how his spelling gets corrupted when he writes about
Christianity? Apparently, he suffers these spasms of regression to
pre-literacy. He is probably making schoolyard faces while banging
this stuff out on the keyboard.
TCross
Chuck Stamford
"Linda Lee" <lindag...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:74f7f013-fbb8-47b9...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Chuck:
Even if that were true, which it's not, it would still be a joke if that's
how I intended it. You people operate constantly on the silly notion that
the reader is responsible for content by their inferences, when all
educated, reasonable people have understood practically from the womb that
it is the author, and ONLY the author who is responsible for content,
REGARDLESS of the reader's inferences to the contrary.
However, you're faults as a literary critic aside, I was referring to Rod's
comment further down in his post where he wrote:
"There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually THINK
!"
That, my poor beknighted woman, is a "redress". Now go practice your
reading or something constructive, and quit bothering the adults.
guardian Snow
> Chuck:
>
> Even if that were true, which it's not, it would still be a joke if that's
> how I intended it. You people operate constantly on the silly notion that
> the reader is responsible for content by their inferences, when all
> educated, reasonable people have understood practically from the womb that
> it is the author, and ONLY the author who is responsible for content,
> REGARDLESS of the reader's inferences to the contrary.
Wouldn't be better just to apologize and be done with it, regardless
of the context and use the opportunity to reach out to a fellow human
being?
Mat 18:4 “Whoever then humbles himself as this little child is the
greatest in the reign of the heavens.
Instead your compounding a matter that has started as what you claim
to be a joke and making it worse by adding insult to the injury. Why
not just say, "It's possible you misunderstood, I was joking, sorry if
offense was taken."
Mat 23:12 “And whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, and whoever
humbles himself shall be exalted.
Linda Lee
> "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:jgXBk.1281$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>
>
> > Chuck Stamford wrote:
> >> "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
> >>news:UkTBk.1015$x%.330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
Job 33:12 Behold, in this thou art not just: I will answer thee, that
God is greater than man.
Job 33:13 Why dost thou strive against him? for he giveth not account
of any of his matters.
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it
not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep
falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their
instruction,
Job 33:17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride
from man.
Job 33:18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from
perishing by the sword.
God said Job, who is speaking above about God guiding us through
dreams, spoke rightly of God (Job 42:7). Of course, the dream must be
interpreted correctly to be of any use to anyone, and dreams are full
of symbolism, what you called "surreal". And then people can
understand things on a subconscious level, things that their conscious
mind might reject; perhaps that is often how our 'instruction is
sealed'.
Linda Lee
More likely howling like a banshee. His hatred of Christ and
Christianity is very evident.
Linda Lee
You deleted the end of the post. So is what you meant by 'getting the
wrong meaning from the word Angels' is some people worship and look to
angels for guidance?
Chuck Stamford
"guardian Snow" <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:cd132af8-2804-4b1c...@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 6:05 pm, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
> Chuck:
>
> Even if that were true, which it's not, it would still be a joke if that's
> how I intended it. You people operate constantly on the silly notion that
> the reader is responsible for content by their inferences, when all
> educated, reasonable people have understood practically from the womb that
> it is the author, and ONLY the author who is responsible for content,
> REGARDLESS of the reader's inferences to the contrary.
Wouldn't be better just to apologize and be done with it, regardless
of the context and use the opportunity to reach out to a fellow human
being?
Chuck:
Apologize for what? I wasn't even talking to Linda, and it remains to be
seen whether or not Rod was offended by what I said. I'm hoping that unlike
present company, he's more interested in the truth than he is in scoring
fictitious points with imbeciles, or in my tone.
Linda Lee
> "Linda Lee" <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote in message
Who is "You people"? You're responsible for what you say.
>
> However, you're faults as a literary critic aside, I was referring to Rod's
> comment further down in his post where he wrote:
>
> "There are other people besides you Vera, some of which can actually THINK
> !"
>
> That, my poor beknighted woman, is a "redress". Now go practice your
> reading or something constructive, and quit bothering the adults.
My, you have lots of excuses. First you meant it as a joke, and only
you know if it was really a joke; then it was a serious comment
concerning Rod's comment to Vera. You're sounding a lot like your
false apostle - "Even if that were true, which it's not...". It was
this way ...no, it was that way, well...only Chuck knows for sure.
Vera had just made half a dozen accusations against him, and had told
him to 'get lost', which is what it appeared he was referring to when
he responded. But since you can't honestly represent what was said by
whom, here is her post (he had replied to with, "There are other
people besides you Vera, some of which can actually THINK !") :
Vera wrote to Rod:
"So what are you doing in Christian newsgroups? Why not crawl back to
your politician groups?
You are dishonest, Rod, and your aims are pushing some political views
through. I must disappoint you - you are in the wrong group for that.
If
you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns
you, do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all you
will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace,
because
you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor, and you
will have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your
views
onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups." <end quote>
You and Vera et al seem to think you can be downright nasty and others
should just buckle under to your nastiness.
Linda Lee
wrote:
Chuck has all sorts of excuses for his arrogant behavior, much like
his false apostle. Birds of a feather flock together.
Guardian Snow
Sorry about that... partly but I also think they get the wrong picture
in their mind. Messengers can be more then just halo'd glowing
figures with wings. I mean.. if you look at the context it's used, a
messenger can come in many forms... even a stubborn old mule:) Was
the mule a Angel?
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua <-- my site
walksalone
> Guardian Snow wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 6:25 am, Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Innews:LxQBk.1233$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>>> Innews:EKPBk.1005$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>>>> [snip]
>> I've gotten rid of the stupid I hate chung spam site for starters.
> What is that wise old Chinese proverb.... a journey of a thousand
> miles begins with a single step ?
In the case of the subject line, that journey can start with a book.
Elaine Pagels
[IIRC] The Making of satan [the christian demonization of the right hand
of god when it came time to mess with people]
It seems there is more to the title than that, & it's been over 7 years
since I read it. Like most history, it's dull.
> Hopefully this is contagious and others will catch it!
Do they have to give up their dislikes or think about them, then probbaly
not. New shoes can be uncomfortable.
> Thank you Snow, I appreciate your efforts.
Walk free, it is the way you were born.
walksalone who had to learn that, the hard way.
There is no greater gift to an insecure leader that quite matches a vague
enemy who can be used to whip up fear and hatred among the population.
-Paul Rusesabagina, humanitarian (b. 1954)
Rod
>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>>>> Innews:LxQBk.1233$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Innews:EKPBk.1005$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>>>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>>>> played the advocate
>>>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>> Nothing to say ? Lets start on a different footing then. What is
>>>>>>>> your take, your opinion on recent events and the Mayan prophecy of
>>>>>>>> 12/21/2012
>>>>>>>> and how it relates to scriptures ?
>>>>>>> Mayan prophecy? What is that?
>>>>>> Google Mayan prophecy, 2012
>>>>> I do not think that this is anything Christian - so why should I look it
>>>>> up?
>>>> to humanity in an attempt to get a message across to men. Some men
>>>> received it well, others distorted it's meanings, and others yet twisted
>>>> it to evil ends such as the catholic church. Many races of people have
>>>> heard the voice and tried in earnest to understand the message. The
>>>> Cheyenne, Arapaho, Souix, Hopi's, Incas, Mayas.
>>> Wow. What a concept! So all that torturing, human sacrifice, war-for-
>>> the-fun-of-it, and self-mutilation was in obedience to a voice from on
>>> high?
>> Their are good and bad in every culture,
>
> Nice to hear you say that. Your statement now is slightly different
> from your previous.
>
>> but your portrayal of what i
>> said is false, and for the benefit of those like you. Your reputation
>> precedes you Terry...I've been told that you're a racist, but I'd like
>> very much to have your input on that.
>
> Of course not. I have objected to certain tenets of Judaism and of
> Zionism, and I have stated many times that those tenets, transplanted
> into Islam and Christianity, are equally odious. Followers of Judaism
> here accuse me of anti-Semitism because of my statements. To accuse
> me of racism is easier for them than to defend the indefensible
> barbarities of their creed.
>
>> I'm sorry you're getting so little from it. Perhaps you have an
>> emotional blockage that prevents you from learning certain facts,
>> a learned behavior perhaps ?
>
> The native American tribes you cited cannot be portrayed as more
> civilized than European peoples without surpassing distortions.
Why would I want to compare them ? Europeans weren't to civilized
either from what I've read. The native americans had their own ways
and measures of right and wrong, but they were also closer to the
natural world than anyone.
Being civilized doesn't mean much when you murder others Terry.
> American public schools tried that load of ignorati for the last
> generation, and finally had to abandon the effort. It is a consummate
> statement of anti-Christianity, but it was not successful.
>
> But I now learn now it is still alive and well among people your age.
Terry, you've not even seen the main point. I'm not against
Christians or those needing faith to live, in fact I admire and like
many of them,
it is when they insist that others need it also and cannot stand or walk
without it that respect and civility dwindle to nothing.
Many of those you would spurn are the same that have matured before
you. I don't expect you to understand or accept it, but they also were
given a choice and they made it. Leave them be with respect, for they
are honest enough to stand by their choice, and that takes faith if only
in their own wisdom.
--
In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
"Rod, <316>...
You guys are married, right?"
"I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
Just
a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
and Sully from Monsters inc."
"Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
"What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake of
the kids"?"
--
Rod
>> Chuck Stamford wrote:
>>> "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:UkTBk.1015$x%.330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>> In news:YOQBk.754$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com,
>>>>> you want to work together with Christians on something that concerns
>>>>> you, do it where the subject is right, and I guess there will be many
>>>>> Christians helping you if your desires are honest and sensible.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you come to Christian newsgroups to abolish God's Word, all you
>>>>> will get (and that is what you are provoking) will not be peace,
>>>>> because you are not the one who brings it. Stop being the aggressor,
>>>>> and you will have peace. It is your choice, not mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is YOU who is the militant one, the one who wants to force your
>>>>> views onto the Christians in Christine newsgroups.
>>>> militant and dishonest.
>>>>
>>>> THINK !
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Speaking of thinking, what reasoning do you employ to arrive at the
>>> conclusion that your dream should be of any import to anyone, including
>>> yourself?
>> And by what reasoning do you doubt it's value to myself ?
>
> The fact of what it is. It's a dream, for crying out loud!
Not to me Chuck. I mentioned the dream in passing to others
wondering if others had had the same kinds of experiences
and I hoped to learn and to share, not to remain ignorant.
> How many of
> them have you had in the past ten years that you can't even remember now? I
> doubt it has any objective value for you based on what it is, and what the
> probability is (i.e., miniscule) that anything of value to you is going to
> come to you via a dream. I'm also coming at this from the fact that dreams
> are generally subconscious processing of recent past experiences, delivered
> to us in a more or less surreal fashion. They're generally nothing more
> than normal mental housecleaning.
Chuck, I don't expect you to understand why I listen, and I certainly
don't expect you to know everything about what hasn't been said. What
I DO expect you to do is give me the space and freedom top trust what
I KNOW has never failed me. Sometimes I have had dreams, and the ones
such as this one have come true.
I'm not trying to warn you of anything, I'm just attempting to seek
out others with similar experience, Christian or not. Now, that isn't
going to cost YOU anything, now is it ? And it certainly isn't going
kill fundamentalism or your faith, now is it ? So why are you
objecting so violently to a dream you know nothing about, Chuck, or
me, a person you know so little about that it's countable on one
hand ? Is your faith threatened in some way ? Allow others to relate
their own experiences without your interference. Your own bible says
that your young men shall see visions and your old men dream. Many
other cultures have these experiences also, not all of them Christian.
It's a part of the human experience Chuck, not localized to one
religion only.
Rod
cancer, Chuck. Get well soon...
--
In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
"Rod, <316>...
You guys are married, right?"
"I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
Just
a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
and Sully from Monsters inc."
"Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
"What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake of
the kids"?"
--
Rod
>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>> In news:YOQBk.754$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com,
>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
>>>>>>> In news:oOPBk.1006$as4...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
>>>>>>> Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
>>>>>>>> guardian Snow wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 12:51 am, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This piece is done to demonstrate a point. I am not Satan but
>>>>>>>>>> have played the advocate to illustrate how false beliefs come
>>>>>>>>>> from the work of Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoy being judged by God on your own righteousness.
>>>>>>>>>
>> showing, Chuck ?
>
> It was a JOKE, Rod! Are you that thick?
No. I've heard jokes. Perhaps you should refrain from making them,
and demeaning others because they fail to see humor where their
isn't any present, ?
::: good news runner :::
Rod <kc0...@att.net> typed:
I had a good laugh, though. ;-) Not about your "joke" about being in the
wrong group, though, but about your misspelling. ;-) ;-) ;-)
Rod
> "guardian Snow" <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:cd132af8-2804-4b1c...@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 23, 6:05 pm, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Chuck:
>>
>> Even if that were true, which it's not, it would still be a joke if that's
>> how I intended it. You people operate constantly on the silly notion that
>> the reader is responsible for content by their inferences, when all
>> educated, reasonable people have understood practically from the womb that
>> it is the author, and ONLY the author who is responsible for content,
>> REGARDLESS of the reader's inferences to the contrary.
>
> Wouldn't be better just to apologize and be done with it, regardless
> of the context and use the opportunity to reach out to a fellow human
> being?
>
> Chuck:
>
> Apologize for what? I wasn't even talking to Linda, and it remains to be
> seen whether or not Rod was offended by what I said.
I have been offended by your statement below. If you're willing to be
gruff and course with one person, then soon there will be another, and
so this addiction to adrenaline and violence have spread, and left in
it's wake are damaged relationships and burnt bridges that sometimes
cannot be rebuilt again.
I am interested in truth Chuck, lets see how far you are willing to
go with it, and if you truly have wisdom then you will see for the first
time in my words.
What you take for granted and cast aside, is priceless to me. You
create your own self imposed isolation while I seek freedom from
isolation imposed by others, who have characteristics similar to your
own.
Truth Chuck.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> >> It was a JOKE, Rod! Are you that thick?
>
> > No. I've heard jokes. Perhaps you should refrain from making them,
> > and demeaning others because they fail to see humor where their
> > isn't any present, ?
>
> I had a good laugh, though. ;-) Not about your "joke" about being in the
> wrong group, though, but about your misspelling. ;-) ;-) ;-)
So please inform everybody what part of your post are spreading the
good news and Christian love?
Mat 5:7 “Blessed are the compassionate, because they shall obtain
compassion.
Mat 5:8 “Blessed are the clean in heart,1 because they shall see
Elohim. Footnote: 1Ps. 24:3-4.
Mat 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, because they shall be called
sons of Elohim.
Mat 5:10 “Blessed are those persecuted for righteousness’1 sake,
because theirs is the reign of the heavens. Footnote: 11Pet. 3:14.
Mat 5:11 “Blessed are you when they reproach and persecute you, and
falsely say every wicked word against you, for My sake.
Mat 5:12 “Rejoice and be glad, because your reward in the heavens is
great. For in this way they persecuted the prophets who were before
you.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
dolf
- dolf
Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>
>
> Dolf, hope you are getting well..
>
>
dolf: “With such notions as “I am a mirror”, “rug”, “Persian”, “evil”,
and “#237 - use of force” that I feel the equivalent categories of
understanding as dynamic natural associators to Spiritual Counterfeits
Project (Tal Brooke)’s actions are: #246 and #351 of Nous #70 :
#237 / #69 - Profound Use/ Function of the Mysterious
#246 / #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising Placidity
#316 / #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How/ Difficult to Understand
#351 / #35 - Great Guiding Signs?/ Virtue of Benevolence
That one can see from your ‘777,3,1’ you are irrationally connected with
Crowley’s Kabbalah Magik Number and Astrological Mysticism, and driven
by a bigoted gay agenda as dogmatic pretence:
"In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with: 'Rod, <316>...
You guys are married, right?'
'I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
Just a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the
Grouch and Sully from Monsters inc.'
'Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now: 'Rodney - I am archiving this and
and if necessary will be printing it for my attorney as well as the
Emporia, KS police department. This is libel to the extreme, and at the
very least it is simply not true. You are a liar, Rodney - a sick,
depraved liar.'
"What ever happened to 'keeping up appearances' anyway? Or 'For the sake
of the kids'?" [newsgroup: alt.christnet.christianlife opinion on a
message for Christians from SATAN, 1104 hours 23 September 2008]
That #316 "iyamwhatiyam" (316...@gmail.com /
http://www.iyamwhatiyam.gov): is associated to a cabal of several
Internet personalities {ie. Kelly, alias <Kelly>, <316>, nemesis,
Disciple, Yael, and many others that remain undiscovered at this time.
Whatever you do, do NOT accept email from her. Once this gets started,
she wants to become your best friend, then she attempts to get a little
closer, and closer, and pretty soon she's trying to get into your bed.
Ever see the movie 'Fatal Attraction'? Yeah man, she isn't Glenn Close
but she's definitely crazy!} who consider Dr. Thiering brilliant and
worthy of your consideration in relation to Jesus and atonement and
provides the following comments from a potential new soc.religion.quaker
subscriber: "The three of you (David Newton@Mass USA
(pchris...@yahoo.com) +316 @(316...@gmail.com) +Rod
@(kc0...@att.net) are posting most of the posts in soc.religion.quaker.
Nobody else is reading them but you three. You have driven away all the
Quakers, and are on track to drive away everyone who has any interest at
all in Quakerism.
Why don't you just email each other rather than making
soc.religion.quaker useless as a place to discuss Quakerism? Are you
*ALL* sociopaths who care nothing about others? " [BelchFire 3000
<belc...@cia.gov>]
“After all, us heretics and deviants from the norm are only ‘dogs’ to
them. The thing is, I’m kind to dogs (unless they’re trying to bite me
;) Dogs are innocent even when they poop on your Persian rug, they don’t
know any better. Wasn’t it Jesus who said: ‘Father forgive them for they
know not what they do’?” [Spiritual Counterfeits Project (Tal Brooke)]
The Degel Machaneh Ephraim suggests that "God is identical with his
Name. He is not like a human being, who can be disassociated from his
name." According to Jewish tradition, the Hebrew name of a thing is its
spiritual essence. In spiritual things, sharing any quality implies
equivalency." [Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, © 1982 The Light Beyond -- Adventures
in Hassidic Thought, p 30]
According to Rabbi Paysach Krohn's perspective on "Names and their
Significance", within Judaism, a name is not merely a conglomeration of
letters put together as a convenient way to refer to someone. Ideally,
it isa definition of the individual - a description of his personality
and an interpretation of his traits. It may even be a portent of the
person's future, or perhaps a prayer that the person bearing this
particular name shall live up to the potential expressed in the name.
The Torah [Genesis 5:29] relates that Noah was given his name with the
prayer, "This one will bring us rest (noah) from our work and the toil
of our hands." The intent was that Noah would lighten the burden of his
family's toil by introducing agricultural tools (Radak). Arizal writes
that the nature and behavior of a person, whether good or bad, can be
found by analyzing his name. Even the numerical value of the name's
letters is an indication of the individual's character and personality."
[Courtesy: http://www.torah.org/features/spirfocus/names.html]
Kelly (<316>): "You are a liar, Rodney - a sick, depraved liar. Don't
bet on it. There were three emails exchanged between you and I, Rodney.
All three were from me trying to be helpful to you - that's all.
Anything else you may produce would have to be manufactured by you - and
of course it can be easily proven that you have done such a thing."
Rodney: "No Kelly, you're a liar and a malcontent. If you can't butt in
and stir something up or hurt and insult someone then you'll try twice as
hard the next time. I honestly believe that you're crazy. I can't say
that I believe you're possessed because from my point of view you're
just to damned spite filled for evil to last long in you, but I am
entitled to my opinion just as you have been."
Kelly (<316>): "Prove it, Rodney. Prove I am a Usenet liar. When you
can't, try to look back on all of the lies that you have told here along
with all of the forged posts, the sock-puppets, etc., etc. All you are
doing here is attempting to paint me exactly what anyone (not one of
your fellow moonbats) who's been here a while knows: it is *you* who is
the Usenet liar, not me. "
Rodney: "I've got nearly 4000 of your posts, of which near as I can tell
15% of them you are attacking and slandering other people without any
provocation....in fact I haven't see many of your posts when you've put
a good foot forward and tried to make amends with those you've hurt."
Kelly (<316>): "Yeah...I know I'm just a terrible person to call you a
liar, rodney - especially after you call me a bitch, a whore, a slut, a
dyke, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum."
david (David Christainsen): "You are truly entertaining yourself but
juvenile. I've encouraged you to upgrade to adult status. So far, after
over half a year, nothing penetrates inside your mind. Not even Yowie
could get thru to you and she was never your enemy.
Rodney: "She has never had that goal David, all that she is doing is
done as entertainment, by her own admission. In fact, Linda @ (Linda Lee
(lindag...@juno.com)) has the same post that I do in which you claim
you do these things for "entertainment"! It must be pretty entertaining
to you to watch other people suffer and hurt from the slander and
ridicule that you heap on them.
She is as sick and twisted as it gets. Now that this has been exposed,
I'm done. The quakers that love to stick their heads in the sand when
trouble approaches can pull them out now."
david (David Christainsen): "You are holding yourself back from your
true potential to be Christ's servant and advocate. When you upgrade for
Him, you will be a more effective Christian minister. Amen."
Kelly (<316>): Tell it to someone who might feel sorry for you (I don't
think this is the group for it, Rodney)."
david (David Christainsen): "On Post-Christian ethics asks how does
morality become established? "For starters, please treat the area of
sex: In response to David C's entry, asking how morality becomes
established, could I offer again what I see to be the ethical
implications of our historical study.
The information we now have means that there is such an increasing
difference between the Jesus of history and the Christ of faith that it
is a confusion to refer to Jesus as a source of ethical authority. In
Albert Schweitzer's words: "he (Jesus) passes us by, a stranger and
enigma to our times."
I think I made this point some time back when the opinion was quoted
that cannabis should be acceptable because Jesus might have used it.
Such issues have to be decided on their scientific merits, and have
nothing to do with Jesus. His knowledge was that of his times, his
ignorance was that of his times. Our knowledge now is the ignorance of
future centuries (I hope).
For ethics in our contemporary social setting, much more complex and
much better informed than 2000 years ago, we are in the position of
taking into account far more knowledge, making for wisdom. For sexual
conduct, observation can rely on a huge range of instances of sexual
behaviour, known to everyone through mass communication. And
increasingly there is the hope of much greater knowledge about where sex
begins, in the human body and brain. What are the physical determinants
that act as imperatives?
David, could I ask again that you do not try to mix the information
given in this group with the ethical and theological issues of concern
to the Quaker group? We are beginning from a different starting-point,
and it damages research to present it in an inappropriate context."
[Barbara Thiering (thie...@yahoo.com) Christian Origins Yahoo Group,
0117 hrs 8 May 2004]
Kelly (<316>): "You're certifiable - do you realize that, Davey?"
Rodney: "Call it payback and speaking the truth all at once. You call me
a liar when I'm only speaking what I think, as with Pat. You run me down
on usenet if I dare voice my opinion on anything as you did with Pat!"
Kelly (<316>): "Why on earth would *anyone* stalk you, Rodney?"
Rodney: "My question exactly, why have you stalked me? Oh, I don't want
anyones pity Kelly, I want them to understand what has been happening
and for them to be able to view the entire scope of it, that is why I
try to relate as much as I can to that end. Pity is as useless as you
are. You're full of smartass remarks and quick quips when you need to
detract from whats being said, but that ruse only works a few times."
Kelly (<316>): "Sorry, but slander (it's libel, actually) is only that
when it's a lie. I may have been mistaken about you a time or two in
Usenet, but I have never intentionally lied about you.
Believe me crazy all you want - I seriously couldn't care less if you
think I'm crazy. The fact is, Rodney - any one who's paid attention
knows that you are seriously disturbed in many, many ways."
Rodney: "What will the law and the jury think when they see the posts
I'm talking about?"
Kelly (<316>): "I see. Do you seriously think that Usenet is *not* for
entertainment purposes? I don't care who has it, Rodney - it's now
archived on the world-wide web - your attempt to scare me by proclaiming
that you and another Usenet moonbat have any of my posts is beyond
ridiculous.
dolf: "Don't you think Kelly(<316>) is engaging within
stalking/intimidatation with intent to cause fear/physical or mental harm?"
Kelly(<316>): "'Dolf''? Is that Australian slang for 'moonbat?'"
dolf: "That the feral fascist muslim dog Akmal (Nova969 1500 hours to
1800 hours timeslot) needs to show more respect to civil rights accorded
to citizenship within a democratic State!"
Kelly (<316>): Prove that anyone - and I mean anyone - has been hurt by
any of my posts and that they didn't bring my responses to them on
themselves through name-calling, outright rude behavior, and ridicule.
Go ahead, Rodney, prove it. You can't - and you are the worst offender
here (you have been for years) who deserves every single thing you get
back in spades."
Rodney: "Go ahead, square off with me. I can't wait to demonstrate what
a cruel person you've been and still are."
Kelly (<316>): "I can't even imagine because I don't know what posts you
are referring to. If they even exist. And what "law and the jury" is
going to care? I've broken no laws, Rodney. Oh? Cruel in what way,
Rodney? And to whom are you going to demonstrate this alleged cruelty?
And as far as squaring off with you goes... "
dolf: "If its convenient for our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to travel to
America on a State visit commencing 22 September 2008 [SUPER: #356 / #63
- Origins in Reversal/ Consider Beginnings; I-Ching: H51 - Thunderclap;
Tetra: #62 - Doubt / EGO: #288 / #35 - Great Guiding Signs?/ Virtue of
Benevolence; I-Ching: H17 - Allegiance; Tetra: #19 - Following], surely
Don Ocean (oc...@hotmail.com) can just as conveniently be renditioned
back to face justice here."
Sir John Howard (sirjoh...@gmail.com): "Twits and trolls are too
stupid to seek out the truth. You'd have more luck getting Dhimmi Moses
to admit pislam is not a religion, of peace."
dolf: "Surely there is opportunity for efficient, mutual and
extraordinary autonomic co-operation between our Australian and American
jurisdictions of governance."
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "Oh dear... 'Saint' Ned is one
of Australia's greatest heroes, and rightly so IMHO. He (and his family)
were treated abominably by the police, and they fought back - hard."
dolf: " The Irish as Roman Catholics are a class consciousness of social
exclusion, hatred, thieving from non-believers and of killing them.
That Irish Roman Catholics aren’t capable of loyalty to State. From the
appearance of their deportment and persona portrayed within newspaper
photograph.”
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "Whatever, virtually all the NSW
police force AND the Kellys were of Irish descent and ancestry, and at
least paid lip-service to Catholicism. Loyalty to the State (and
presumably the Law?) came second to their ambitions and/or need to
survive. Tough times..."
true.bl...@gmail.com: “Yeah...one lot represented an Irish
underclass conscious of its social exclusion, the other represents a
religion obsessed with thieving from non-believers and killing them in
accordance with a loopy literal interpretation of a religious text based
on the sayings and doings of an illiterate 6th-century mass-murdering
paedophile.”
dolf: “Both involve a quest for the sovereign autonomic identity.”
true.bl...@gmail.com: “Bullshit. The Kellys were British citizens
who wanted equal treatment same as what their relatives in Ireland were
struggling for, not separate treatment.
The leb muslim scumbags want separate treatment - in accordance with
their putrid middle-ages religion - for believers and non-believers.”
dolf: “In the case of the Kelly gang it was Irish nationalism against
the State imperative of a police force.”
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "They were hardly political. Ned
toyed with the notion, and would probably have liked to start an
uprising if he could, but what he loathed was injustice, not the State.
The two of course went together in his (and his men's) mind(s)."
true.bl...@gmail.com: “Rubbish. Irish nationalism was the enabling
factor which allowed them to be conscious of their lack of equal
treatment in British society, prompting their revolt against unjust rule.
There was absolutely no quest for ‘sovereign autonomy’ - quite the
opposite. The Irish were over-represented in all facets of the culture
of the British Empire (except police and prison warders where those dour
sour-puss Scots ruled the roost (and still do)) because they embraced it
as a tool of inclusion.”
Martin (martin147...@outgun.com): "All on the square of course..."
dolf: “In the Islamic sense the entry (navel) point into this world of
the human psych and spiritual reality is the name of Allah as Islamic
name for God as YHWH--and this is concealed by the transition from 22
letters of the Semitic script to the 28 letters of the Arabic script in
the Koran.”
true.bl...@gmail.com: “Utter gibberish. True to form, Dolt. This
bit's good though, from a mental health professional: "‘Dolf is
psychotic and expresses delusions re his role in the end of the world.
He was apparently catatonic earlier in the interview. He is insightless
re his situation.’”
dolf: "Nope the better bit is the circumstance that from the news-story
published at 0940 hours concerning a 'Woman cyclist killed in CBD bus
accident' at 0800 hours. And that my post, was made at 0823 hours. That
apart from both news items being bound by numerical con strictures
associated to a hypostatic grid as street scape. Each news item was
ration(al)--and in fact demonstrates that the whole information reality
can be rationally managed by my paradigm of mind.
Mark Latham (ex_labo...@only.idiots.vote.labor.com): “Stop top
posting, you fool! And start writing something more sensible as well."
dolf: "As far as I'm aware, Mark Latham is a godless individual--unless
its for confession, what's he posting here for?"
Mike Painter (aka m...@rocket.mail / mddotp...@sbcglobal.net): "So am
I and I am polite enough to follow simple guidelines. "render to Caesar"
as your imaginary god would say. This is an "alt" group and as such
anyone can post almost anything they want even. If they couldn't then
your babbling would not be allowed. I was invited here by another
mentally disturbed individual. What's your excuse?"
dolf: "Firstly they want to conceal the reality of a transformation of
identity from mddotp...@sbcglobal.net to m...@rocket.mail."
m...@rocket.mail: "You're getting colder. Again: The Catholic Church has
never claimed that those canonized are closer to God or in any sense
'superior' to every uncanonized soul."
Mike Painter (mddotp...@sbcglobal.net):
"http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm differs with you. Why would
there be specific mention of "His special love" if all are treated
equally. Why would the church talk of worshipping these people and not
all people? Perhaps the RCC has no special place for Mary but you would
never know that if you went to Catholic schools. They talk of Mary as
some one with a special value and the article cited uses the same terms
to describe the lesser relationship of the saints."
m...@rocket.mail: "Straw man. I never said nor implied that "all are
treated equally."
Mike Painter (mddotp...@sbcglobal.net): "Why would a god who,
according to the RCC is infinitely superior to man give one person
"special love" if they were not superior in some way?"
m...@rocket.mail: "The article also states, "The Catholic Church
canonizes or beatifies only those whose lives have been marked by the
exercise of heroic virtue, and only after this has been proved by common
repute for sanctity and by conclusive arguments." Since there are more
conditions on canonization than a life marked by the exercise of heroic
virtue, it follows that the absence of canonization does not prove a
life not marked by the exercise of heroic virtue ... just as I stated."
Mike Painter (mddotp...@sbcglobal.net): "Right and everybody made up
all those stories about Mother Teresa, the money and how she treated
people."
dolf: "There's a wonderful connect between this 'Mike Painter' and
'Spiritual Counterfeits Project (Tal Brooke)' discourse. In that Saint
Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, canonised in 1998 is the patron saint of
9 August and by its category of understanding #351 has much in common
with equivalent notions as “I am a mirror”, “rug”, “Persian”, “evil”,
and “#237 - use of force” as dynamic natural associators to Spiritual
Counterfeits Project (Tal Brooke)’s actions are: #246 and #351 of Nous
#70: "Edith Stein was born at Breslau, Poland in 1891 into a Jewish
German family. Although raised in the Jewish tradition, at fourteen
declared herself an atheist. She studied philosophy at Gottingen and
Freiburg with fine results and was drawn to the Catholic faith; she
converted and received baptism in 1922. Her career as a teacher was
interrupted by the racist Nuremberg Laws, and she entered the Carmelite
convent at Cologne, taking the name Teresa Benedicta of the Cross. In
1942, she was deported to the extermination camp of Auschwitz, where she
died in a gas chamber. Teresa {Greek as 'huntress' or German 'strong and
amiable woman'} has been a patron saint of Europe since 1999 along with
Saints Brigid of Sweden and Catherine of Siena." [ 'Saints - A Year in
Faith and Art', 2005 Mondadori Electa S.p.A Milan p 470]
Mike Painter (mddotp...@sbcglobal.net): "You can talk all you want
about the "official" position of the RCC but they work the same way as
any other institution. The CEO's secretary might be "just another
employee" but she still gets a good parking place and has the ear of the
boss."
m...@rocket.mail: "I have no idea what that means."
Mike Painter (mddotp...@sbcglobal.net): "Then you never went to
Catholic schools, at least prior to Vatican II and you have never seen
or at least never paid much attention to the real world."
Nous: 32
Time: 09:10 (24 hrs)
Date: 09 August, 2008
Torah: #80 #5 #30 %81 = #34
Tao: Natural Guide/ Virtue of Holiness
I-Ching: H44 - Coming On
Tetra: #43 - Encounters
Myth: Latin: Bonus {Redemptor God} Alt: Chabaoyah {Hide Within God} {
1. AIDS IN CONVERSIONS OF HEATHENS TO CHRISTIANITY
2. THEOLOGY & RELIGION
3. CHASTITY & MORALS
4. Sothis - The Opener of the Year with the rising of Sirius {the
Dog-Star} as the Star of Isis-Sothis on whose rising the Great Bear
cycle was founded
}
Raphael Israeli, a professor of Islamic, Middle East and Chinese history
at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem commenting on this conduct of
intimidation and closing down of any rational dialogue as being a
cowardice which is the province of Muslim apologists: “As [...] one
becomes used to the bias of the world’s media and the frustrations of
being misrepresented in the face of hysteria. But as a visiting academic
to the land of the fair go, I didn’t expect to find the same thing here.
Some, of course, prefer to hide behind hollow slogans of “inter-communal
harmony”, “inter-faith co-operation” and “multiculturalism” instead of
exposing Muslim violence and inflammatory rhetoric and act, together
with Muslim moderates, to uproot these phenomena.
Aware of the European parallel, I am neither surprised by the Muslim
leaders’ attempts to shut off any debate in Australia and intimidate
anyone who raises his voice against such actions, nor by the Australian
press complicity in that process. Only yesterday I received threats from
a Chechen Islamic website. So much for civilised debate.” [Copyright and
Courtesy The Australian Newspaper 22 February 2007, Opinion, p 10]
"Fantasy abandoned by reason, produces impossible monsters." [Pastor Dave]
Spiritual Counterfeits Project (Tal Brooke): “Sir, But you would have me
stand by while the homosexual proselytisers of the “gay” agenda, who
represent only the “gay” lobby, turn a forum for the discussion of Bible
Prophecy into a platform for their perverse propaganda. Are you saying
that “you’re not disposed to anarchy”, but you’re conditionally tolerant
of it? An oxymoronic criteria, don’t you think?
The “merit(s)” of my “Christianity” is relative to “Christ’s” criteria,
not your apparently variable concept of adherence to *your* “Christian”
values.
Indeed I serve the principles of Democratic responsibility, and my call
is to truth and against political and religious anarchy masquerading as
“human rights” and social justice.
I slander or defame no one, rather my exposure of the truth is vilified,
and I’m falsely accused.
My sin is that I do not turn the cheek. That is between me and my
creator. I seek not to, rationalize my behaviour or excuse it by
misquoting the Bible nor hiding behind His Grace. Neither do I presume
to dictate how you or anyone should express their religious adherence...
Your weak comparison of Hitler’s Nuremberg Laws with either
Fundamentalist perspective or my exposure of homosexual propaganda as
such is typical of homosexual apologists and *prescribed* by the very
“spinners” I discuss in the article for which it is apparently ok to
demonstrate behaviour unbecoming a Christian while claiming
“Christianity”. If I told you I was a Muslim or a Jew, what would you say?
My right to express myself in this newsgroup, to expose religious
pretentiousness and political deviousness, and even to insult those who
insult me would be the same. How would you judge me then? But more
importantly, would you also judge those who call me bigot when in fact
I’m not, and “judged” so because I point to Leviticus? Do you now?
As for:
“1 - Ended the right of Jews to marry freely {ie. #237 / #69 - Profound
Use/ Function of the Mysterious}
2 - Ended the right of Jews to have sexual intercourse freely {ie.
#246 / #9 - Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising Placidity}
3 - Ended the right of Jews to employ or be employed freely {ie. #316
/ #70 - Difficulty in Knowing How/ Difficult to Understand}
4 - Ended the right of Jews to display/serve the nation’s flag
freely”{ie. #351 / #35 - Great Guiding Signs?/ Virtue of Benevolence}
Please, doesn’t your version of “Christianity” permit you to understand
that:
1. Homosexuals don’t have the right to marry. That right is for
heterosexuals, man and woman. Homosexuals are demanding that your social
institutions change in order to accommodate their abnormal sexual behaviour.
2. Heterosexuals “generally” have no interest in restricting “gays” from
having sex. We would just prefer that they do it privately.
3. I don’t object to anybody working, but I don’t want to *have to* hire
someone *because* they’re “gay”.
I don’t even mind if my son’s teacher is “gay”, I mind mandatory “sexual
awareness” classes in elementary school because someone in the “gay
lobby” pressured the school board to be “politically correct”.
4. Hey if they want to fly “rainbow” flags or Jolly Rogers, be my guest,
who cares? As long as the rainbow doesn’t replace Old Glory here or in
your case the Aussie Union Jack...the problem is, that is what “they’re”
up to.
I’m certain you will find that if I’m approached with civility, it is
with civility I will respond. One may disagree without insults or
ridicule. I am a mirror. If an “outed” homosexual comes to
alt.bible.prophecy to discuss prophecy, I would be the first to defend
his or her right to participate. However, if a “gay” comes to
proselytise his sexual behaviour, I object as I would your discussing
yours or Pythagoras’s.
If upon declaring the falsehood of their statements I am ridiculed or my
religious and political views are labelled bigotry, I will not only
attack, but I will disregard my attacker’s civility, with interest.
I’ve just been perusing your *poorly* designed web site...interesting.
And *you* dare call yourself a “Christian”...LOL.
I’m sure I’ll check it out some more, my wordy detractor, but perhaps
you could explain (in terms a “jackass” like me can understand) why you
call it ‘The Sodomite Prophecy’?” [Spiritual Counterfeits Project (Tal
Brooke)’s Gay Manifesto, 1355 hours 28 July 2003]
Linda Lee
> Chuck Stamford wrote:
> > "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
> >news:jgXBk.1281$YU2...@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >> Chuck Stamford wrote:
> >>> "Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:UkTBk.1015$x%.330@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>>> ::: good news runner ::: wrote:
Try leaving a pen by your bed and writing your dreams down immediately
when you wake up, before you get out of bed or move around much at
all. We forget most of our dreams almost immediately once we begin to
move around. I did that for a time, and even conversations others
would have with me later came to be; they'd say almost word for word
what I had dreamed they had said. Very strange, like time doesn't
matter when dreaming.
I don't think 'dream books' that give meanings to dream symbolism are
very accurate at all. One thing that does seem accurate is that a
house *may* represent yourself; for example, if you dream you're
wandering around a house, it may mean you've gotten off-course in your
life. A house as symbolizing a group of people, related by blood, is a
biblical symbolism.
Btw, if you did have a prophetic fiery end-time type dream, that
doesn't mean you can predict it will happen anytime soon; it may just
mean you've perceived something the Bible says is true. Or it may mean
to be careful you don't set your house on fire. We are each the best
interpreter of our own dreams. And they are worth looking at
sometimes.
Sensi
Snippity doo dah..
>> Sensi:
>>
>> Being called a HE does not give Satan a personification with
>> a bodily figure who whispers in our ear, do this, do that.
>> This.. *He,* does not represent an evil male figure
>> desiring to be God just as wisdom often referred to as a
>> *She* is not a female figure desiring to be wise.
>> So when you say Satan's desire was to 'become as God' it
>> sounds strange to me since Satan is not a being fighting to
>> take over the world.
>> I see Satan more as a *form* of weakness that is part of
>> human nature that tends to see things in a negative
>> light,darkness if you will rather than a positive light, in
>> knowing that God has full control and in that control bids
>> us to come into awareness of HIM and his workings to help us
>> reach for a higher cause of being godly as Father tends to
>> child, nudging and sometimes pushing rather than keeping us
>> in a fearful state that we choose to remain in a lower state
>> of being which is what Satan is all about.
>
> The 'fall of man' has brought Satan's fallen nature to all men/women.
> All emotions, other than feelings that stem from real love (but not
> jealousy or possessiveness), are a product of that fall.
Sensi:
Looking at the fall it came about as the result of that tree
of knowledge of good and evil...the fruit was ripe for the
picking so to speak. Both kinds of fruit existed and still
exist today. As you said emotions *stem* from the fruit
whether it be good or bad. The characteristics of our own
nature is determined by the fruit we consume.
>
> Yet Satan is personified in the Scriptures of the apostles of the
> Messiah:
> Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought
> against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
> Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
> heaven.
> Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
> the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
> into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Sensi:
Sounds like the other side of the tree where the fruit hides
in the shadows.
That fruit of knowledge of evil.... evil begets evil,
seeding seedlings of stories, myths, fables.
Dragons, serpents, and such are the *produce* of a dark mind
that hasn't come to the light or the knowledge of good.
As a child I was given the knowledge of the boogeyman,
he was the ugliest thing you ever saw, always hiding under
the bed, in the closet, scaring the living daylights out of
me. I remember nights of heart pounding, teeth chattering,
prayers to Jesus to send this boogeyman away.
It was my grandmother who had the knowledge I needed and it
was good.
She laid with me on my bed,held me and comforted me. She
talked about courage and how it was best for me to face this
boogeyman, little did I know I was carrying around evil
knowledge that imposed all kinds of evil imaginings in my
small mind.
Long story short.. You know the answer.
So in a way the boogeyman was real...till I faced him and he
disappeared never to return.
> I do understand your feelings on this matter, as for many years I
> believed in God, but did not believe there had been a Devil.
Sensi:
I believe in devils as a product of the imagination that
does seems to take over causing doubt,fear,worry, etc which
then seeds more doubt, fear, worry.
Evil begets as the begets begin to steal and rob the
goodness from the mind and heart where God also resides as
his dwelling place.
The wars of nature, human and spiritual take place within
the mind and heart more so than the outer world. But I
think it's a choice rather than someone or something placing
those things in our mind. Information does not always come
in the form of goodness. We're all susceptible to knowledge
coming from man, so it's very important to sift, sort and
take the good seed and weed out the bad so that don't become
products of the human imagination.
It was
> when I finally decided that what the Messiah taught about Satan was
> *also* true that my understanding and closeness to God began to
> increase. I guess one cannot doubt the Messiah's words and be in a
> close relationship to him. Satan is not a thing to that believers
> should fear, however, as the Messiah overcame the works of the Devil
> and said he saw Satan cast down from Heaven. Satan has lost his power
> and awaits Judgment Day like everyone else, but his fate has already
> been decided.
>
Sensi:
Satan is produce... the fruit of knowledge that just is.
We can become consumed in the negative,
frightful,disrupting, divisive emotions or we can *choose*
the fruits of the HOLY SPIRIT. Love, joy, peace, etc.
Willpower comes to mind but trying to visualize Satan as a
living *thing* wearing a red suit with horns, fire spewing
from his mouth is nothing more than a metaphor describing
knowledge at it's very worst. Temptations arise from the
imagination as well as the desire to do good. So....
Jesus being human and yet being godlym the Messiah, the Son
of God in spirit...always chose the godly fruits of the Holy
Spirit...
>
>>> Personally, because of some things in the Scriptures and in Paul's
>>> writings, I believe Paul preached another Christ and considered
>>> himself the chief apostle of this hellenized form of the Saviour.
>> Sensi:
>> As far as Paul. Heck, I don't know what he was up to. All I
>> know is I'm responsible for me and my soul, today.
>> It's very hard to back peddle into history and try to assume
>> we know what was going on in someones mind when we really
>> only have a small portion to go by.
>
> Paul left a lot of writings intended only for the elders of the
> churches to which he sent his letters; they are very revealing as to
> his mindset at the time. Although disinterest in Paul is an
> improvement over making Paul the main focus of Christianity as some
> do.
>
Sensi:
I'm a the point where the information regarding Spirit, the
Holy Spirit is more important to me than trying to dig up
what someone else thought. It seems to cause many arguments
and division and I know where that comes from, stems, seeds
and all. :-)
>> I prefer to think Paul had good intentions but didn't have
>> all the knowledge he needed at the time.
>> I leave it at that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sensi
>
>>> In Acts 22:25-29 & in Acts 23:27 it is made clear Paul is a Roman
>>> citizen (and this was not a claim made by the apostles chosen and
>>> trained by the Messiah).
>>> Paul was obviously what was called a "hellenizing Jew", one who wanted
>>> to combine Judaism with Hellenism; i.e. Greco-Roman religion and
>>> culture.
>>> So Paul preached Iesous Christos (meaning anointed), rather than
>>> Yahashua` Mashiach (in English Messiah, and in Greek Messias - meaning
>>> a long-expected specific 'anointed one' said to be the Saviour of the
>>> Jews).
>>> By what Paul himself says, there was more than one anointed one being
>>> preached: 2 Cor. 11:4 "For if he that cometh ****preacheth another
>>> Jesus,**** whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
>>> which ye have not received, or **another gospel,** which ye have not
>>> accepted, ye might well bear with him."
>>> Paul has just admitted some preached "a different Jesus" than Paul
>>> preached, and he is speaking in 2 Corinthians of Israelite apostles
>>> who undoubtedly preached Yahashua` the Messiah because Paul goes on to
>>> say in 2 Cor. 11:5, "For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very
>>> chiefest apostles". Paul was telling the Corinthians to resist the
>>> gospel of the Messiah (acceptance of Yahashua` and adherence to the
>>> Ten Commandments) and to adhere to the gospel he, Paul, has preached
>>> to them (acceptance of Iesous Christos and freedom from obeying the
>>> Ten Commandments).
>>> Paul admits here, he agrees with the law of God, but serves the "law
>>> of sin", IOW, Paul continues to sin:
>>> Rom. 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the
>>> mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
>>> sin." Paul thanks his 'god' for this, but the Messiah did not preach
>>> this; the Messiah cannot be the 'god' that Paul preaches.
>>> Here in the following verse Paul identifies this other gospel as 'not
>>> really' another gospel and claims it is a perversion of his gospel:
>>> Gal. 1:6-7 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called
>>> you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not
>>> another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
>>> gospel of Christ."
>>> Discerning what else Paul had to say throughout his writings and from
>>> accusations leveled against him in Acts Chapter 21 by 'believing
>>> Jews' (followers of the Messiah), Paul preached against the adherence
>>> to the Ten Commandments that the Messiah and his chosen apostles
>>> taught. Paul's 'other gospel' ("Which is not another" in comparison
>>> to the Messiah's gospel) was a lawless form of the Messiah's gospel.
>>>> Often God's good is mis-understood and we in our ignorance
>>>> refer to things we don't understand as dark or evil,
>>>> intolerant, of the devil and are much to quick to slap a
>>>> black label on things rather than looking at other possible
>>>> angles.
>>> Paul was the main proponent of his 'other gospel'. Paul tried to
>>> substitute his gospel (of Iesous as the 'anointed one') for the
>>> Messiah's gospel.
>>> The Messiah was born for this purpose: to "destroy the works of the
>>> devil" by the means of establishing his gospel of repentance and
>>> forgiveness of sins. And Paul's efforts to thwart the Messiah's
>>> gospel by substituting his own similar gospel (with a different
>>> 'anointed one', Iesous rather than Yahashua`, and freedom from obeying
>>> the Ten Commandments and no hint of a need for repentance of sins)
>>> were undoubtedly more of "the works of the devil".
>>> 1 John 3:8 "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
>>> might destroy the works of the devil".
>>>> My take is Paul's intentions were probably good as he
>>>> preached the countryside bent on rules and laws that seemed
>>>> reasonable to him at the time but he just didn't have the
>>>> same kind of heart, compassion the understanding or the
>>>> ability to teach the finer intricate details of the inner
>>>> workings of the mind and heart or perhaps lacking knowledge
>>>> of cause and effect/ reap what you sow as Jesus did.
>>>> He tried and since we don't have all the details perhaps
>>>> we're only seeing one page of Paul's life while page 2 is
>>>> missing where he finally came to understand and teach that
>>>> which he needed to know and share. Who knows?
>>> There's no evidence of it.
>>>> No one takes him as serious as he comes across though even
>>>> the modern day preachers are much more tolerant that Paul
>>>> seemed at that time.
>>>> I see you're sporting a fish... Does it have a hidden
>>>> meaning?
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
>>>>> Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
>>>>> a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
>>>>> Shalom,
>>>>> *´¨)
>>>>> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
>>>>> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>>>>> Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
>>>>> beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
>>>>> and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
>>>>> save their lives.
>>>>> Tony Robbins
>>>>> (Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
>>>>> (Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2) (Heb 4:9)
>>>>> Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed.
>>>>> http://www.isr-messianic.org/<- download the scriptures free
>>>>> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
>>>>> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>>>>> o o
>>>>> /^^^^^7
>>>>> ' ' ,oO))))))))Oo,
>>>>> ,'))))))))))))))), /{
>>>>> ' ,'o ))))))))))))))))={
>>>>> > ))))))))))))))))={
>>>>> `, ))))))\ \)))))))={
>>>>> ',))))))))\/)))))' \{
>>>>> '*O))))))))O*'
>>>>> Freedom is not procured by a full enjoyment of what is desired, but
>>>>> by
>>>>> controlling the desire.
>>>>> Epictetus
>
Linda Lee
> On Sep 23, 6:33 pm,LindaLee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 3:59 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
> > wrote:
>
>
> > > > On Sep 23, 3:29 am, guardian Snow <phoenixhasri...@yahoo.com.au>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > messengers and not angels, is that you can get the wrong meaning from
> > > > > the word Angels.
>
> > > > You can get the wrong meaning from the word Messenger too as the ISR
> > > > version translated what is normally translated "Angel" in relation to
> > > > God in Gen. 48:16. Only Angel or Spirit would work there.
>
> > > sources. I found another one in Revelation:
>
> > > Rev 8:13 And I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in mid-heaven,
> > > crying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those dwelling upon the
> > > earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three
> > > messengers who are about to sound!”
>
> > > I'm not saying ISR is perfect my friend... here eagle is aggelos or
> > > messenger. I'm just pointing this out for better understanding and
> > > less confusion.
>
> > You deleted the end of the post. So is what you meant by 'getting the
> > wrong meaning from the word Angels' is some people worship and look to
> > angels for guidance?
>
> Sorry about that... partly but I also think they get the wrong picture
> in their mind. Messengers can be more then just halo'd glowing
> figures with wings. I mean.. if you look at the context it's used, a
> messenger can come in many forms... even a stubborn old mule:) Was
> the mule a Angel?
It sounds like God simply opened the eyes of the ass to the spiritual
world (assuming animals cannot normally see more than we can) and then
enabled the ass to speak. The ass did not act as a messenger and did
not deliver God's message to Balaam, but his being able to see the
Angel of the LORD saved Balaam from death.
Num. 22:23 "And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the
way".
Num 22:28 "And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto
Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these
three times?"
Num 22:32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast
thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to
withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
Num 22:33 And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times:
unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and
saved her alive.
I don't pretend to know exactly what a good spirit i.e. angel is like
(or what a bad or evil spirit actually consists of, but I think they
are the spirits of what we know as unsaved men and/or women). The
Bible describes them in many different ways, so all we know is that
they're able to transform or to be transformed, and as in Genesis
Chapter 19, can appear to be men who can do things men cannot do.
Gen. 19:11 "And they [the angels who had appeared to be men] smote
the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small
and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door".
>
> Shalom,
> *´¨)
> ¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
> (¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
>
> http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
> A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
>
> I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are
> so unlike your Christ.
> Mohandas Gandhi
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua<-- my sitehttp://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download the scriptures free
Rod
I had read in passing that you were ill, from what I have no idea.
--
In soc.religion.quaker Pat cursed me with;
"Rod, <316>...
You guys are married, right?"
"I'm thinking some big Troll wedding, high in the mountains. A small do.
Just
a couple of guys from "Where the Wild Things Are", maybe Oscar the Grouch
and Sully from Monsters inc."
"Anyway, it all looks a bit messy now."
"What ever happened to "keeping up appearances" anyway? Or "For the sake of
the kids"?"
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