* MATT ADMITS TO IT! *
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:03:12 -0400, Pastor Dave
> <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:36:35 -0800,
>> Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>> Snipped the madman post.
>>
>> I know you hate seeing your own false accusations.
>
> If they are false still.
You have just admitted that you did make the accusations.
Furthermore, you have said that you have no problem
with the fact that you made them, without knowing
them to be true, by saying "IF they are false".
And lastly, you are by default saying that you think
it's okay to make any accusation you wish and the
it's the other guy's job to convince you that it's
not true.
Yea, what a great Christian you are!
And you need to stop lying about Randy and I,
claiming we have never stated our position and
you know what we said, TO YOU, repeatedly!
And furthermore, by making that false accusation
as well, that we have never stated our position,
you are admitting that you made the accusations
you did (that Randy and I rape and abuse our
wives and said it's okay to rape your daughter),
without knowing our position!
>>> Mr Dave
>>
>> And now of course, the dig in which you refuse
>> to address me properly. <chuckle>
>
> A piece of paper doesn't make a man a pastor.
> What you have shown here has made me doubt
> you very much. Pastors do not use deception
> and/or twist and edit post.
>
> Matt
You prove your deception and then try to point
your finger at me? Bawahahaha!!!
Just how deep does the evil in your heart go?!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
"If you want to see what children can do, you must stop
giving them things." - Norman Douglas
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
>On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:18:08 -0400, Pastor Dave
><ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> OK like I have asked several times please explain
>>> you views on the subject?
>>
>>And as I said, you already know, since you have
>>seen it many times, even in the past few days
>>and you are lying now, to try to worm your way
>>out of confessing to your sin against us, pretending
>>that you were honestly looking for our views on this!
>>
>>One does not look for the views of someone on
>>a subject, by falsely accusing them of rape and
>>abuse and of saying it's okay to rape your daughter,
>>nor by cussing at them and calling them "p*ssyman",
>>you liar!
>
>OK Mr Dave
>
>This is getting no where. Tell you what I will do. I will send local
>law enforcement in your area. these post and all I can find and
>suggest they visit your wife. I will also call them when after they
>have confirmed you are innocent I will apologize. Will this satisfy
>you?
>
>Now this will not be a accusation but a report of suspicious activity
And now the treats start! Bawahahaha!!!
Let's look at what Matt said here, folks.
1) He admits that he has no knowledge
of what he accuses Randy and I of.
2) He decides he should send the cops
to see if my wife is being raped by me
and only then will he apologize for
falsely accusing me.
You're an idiot, Matt! And an evil man!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
"If you don't accept responsibility for your own actions,
then you are forever chained to a position of defense."
-Holly Lisle
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
<TEXT ADDED BELOW>
>On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:18:08 -0400, Pastor Dave
><ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> OK like I have asked several times please explain
>>> you views on the subject?
>>
>>And as I said, you already know, since you have
>>seen it many times, even in the past few days
>>and you are lying now, to try to worm your way
>>out of confessing to your sin against us, pretending
>>that you were honestly looking for our views on this!
>>
>>One does not look for the views of someone on
>>a subject, by falsely accusing them of rape and
>>abuse and of saying it's okay to rape your daughter,
>>nor by cussing at them and calling them "p*ssyman",
>>you liar!
>
>OK Mr Dave
>
>This is getting no where. Tell you what I will do. I will send local
>law enforcement in your area. these post and all I can find and
>suggest they visit your wife. I will also call them when after they
>have confirmed you are innocent I will apologize. Will this satisfy
>you?
>
>Now this will not be a accusation but a report of suspicious activity
And now the threats start! Bawahahaha!!!
Let's look at what Matt said here, folks.
1) He admits that he has no knowledge
of what he accuses Randy and I of.
MATT: "I did retract saying you had actually
raped your wife as I have no way of
knowing that for a fact."
That is an admission of he did say that he
falsely accused me of rape! And no folks,
he didn't "retract it"!
2) He decides he should send the cops
to see if my wife is being raped by me
and only then will he apologize for
falsely accusing me.
You're an idiot, Matt! And an evil man!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
The Last Days were in the first century:
Matthew 16:27-28
27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory
of his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works.
28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing
here, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Jesus said He would return within the lifetime
of the Apostles. We know this, because Jesus
said SOME (at least one, not not most) would
be alive when this happened.
This is not the Transfiguration. There was no
coming with the Father's angels and no judging
every man according to His works and they were
all still alive.
This is not Pentecost. There was no coming
with the Father's angels and no judging
every man according to His works and they
were all but one, still alive.
Now see a verse that no one argues is about
His Second Coming and see that this is what
Jesus was referring to, in Matthew 16:27-28.
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward
is with me, to give every man according as
his work shall be." - Revelation 22:12
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <q31955hnklgbucl5h...@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
<snicker>
He's bagged.
>And an evil man!
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Rod
A person who may be guilty of abuse would see Matts post as a threat,
but not to someone seeing the situation thru clear eyes....
This is just a little something to consider, but things have become
quite clear in view of your recent posts...
Matts post is not a threat to anyone Dave.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
In news:h32690$ho8$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
It is, as well as Matt's confession that Matt is a STALKER. Since you
have been known for that, too, you might not have a problem with it at
all.
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Matt
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
"Treats" LOL
>
>Let's look at what Matt said here, folks.
>
>1) He admits that he has no knowledge
> of what he accuses Randy and I of.
I can only go by what I see. You posts seem to be that of a mentally
unstable and aggressive personality.
You refuse to state your view openly
>
>2) He decides he should send the cops
> to see if my wife is being raped by me
> and only then will he apologize for
> falsely accusing me.
No threat at all. All I do is tell them my concerns it is up to them
to decide if it warrants further investigation. This and your other
post speak volumes about you aggressive and troubling style.
>
>You're an idiot, Matt! And an evil man!
I at times have been a idiot, but not in this instance.
Be Well mr dave
Matt
EOD
Rod
> You are trollng.
>
I'm speaking the truth and using my right to post, but
you my dear, are spamming the group....and sinning in
that you are unable or unwilling and unable to understand the
differences between, spam, trolling, and exercise of a
right to post...
dolf
arrest.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
shut them up... If that is not disgusting!
SHUDDER!!!
TROLL OFF, MATT!!!
INTIMIDATION DOES NOT WORK HERE.
In news:v6a9551fe223pq0ui...@4ax.com,
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> typed:
Rod
> Intimidating people by threatening them to have police investigations to
> shut them up...
Oh no Vera.., NOT shut him up but make certain that he is not an
abuser and that his wife is alright.
If that is not disgusting!
I imagine being investigated for abuse would be disgusting
to the abuser, it certainly isn't wonderful for the victim.
>
> SHUDDER!!!
>
> TROLL OFF, MATT!!!
>
> INTIMIDATION DOES NOT WORK HERE.
Yes, it does. You've been practicing it for several days now
and harassing everyone you have no liking for.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
In news:h32h9v$mlq$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
::: Jesus is LORD :::
In news:h33c46$uhn$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
Rod
> You are trolling!!!
And you are lying, just as you did about the so called
"proof" you swore you could provide. What really happened
to that proof, Vera ?
Did a dog eat it ??
Matt
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Intimidating people by threatening them to have police investigations to
>shut them up... If that is not disgusting!
>
>SHUDDER!!!
>
>TROLL OFF, MATT!!!
>
>INTIMIDATION DOES NOT WORK HERE.
No intimidation at all.
Just think his wife might need protection. Just did my civic duty
Now Vera Six you can Troll Off Wait in your case it is Spam Off.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
I dd not "swear" anthing, and I did not even promise youguys anything. I
was talking with Randy about that, so stop your weird accusations, man.
Jani did support the existence of pre-teen sexgroups, which is proved
and which she cannot deny, whatever her reasons were for that. I do not
believe her the reasons she gave. Actually I do to have to prove
anything to you, TROLL. TROLL OFF !!!
In news:h33hs3$lkr$2...@news.eternal-september.org,
Rod
> TROLL OFF, LIAR!!!
>
> I dd not "swear" anthing, and I did not even promise youguys anything.
You told her you could provide proof, and that is the same thing as
swearing that you could do it. You gave your WORD Vera, honor it and
provide the proof.
> I
> was talking with Randy about that, so stop your weird accusations, man.
Honor your worthless word, Vera.
> Jani did support the existence of pre-teen sexgroups, which is proved
No Vera, making an accusation is a far cry from proving it.
Make good on your word, Vera.
> and which she cannot deny, whatever her reasons were for that. I do not
> believe her the reasons she gave. Actually I do to have to prove
> anything to you, TROLL. TROLL OFF !!!
But you already have Vera..you've proven your word worthless
and yourself as a liar.
<<kêllÿ>>
wrote:
> TROLL OFF, LIAR!!!
>
> I dd not "swear" anthing,
No, you didn't.
> and I did not even promise youguys anything.
Saying you had proof that Jani was a proponent of pedophilia and
pedophiles and that *you would provide that proof* is the same as
promising, Vera.
> I
> was talking with Randy about that,
What would you need to discuss this with Randy for? You claimed to
have proof - even Randy asked you *for* that proof - you said you
would provide the proof and now, suddenly, because you have talked to
Randy about all of this in an email you think you're off the hook?
Lol!
Priceless, Vera. Simply priceless.
> Jani did support the existence of pre-teen sexgroups,
Prove it. You said you could, so do it.
> which is proved
> and which she cannot deny,
She can very well deny it because you have provided no proof to the
contrary (as you said you could and would).
> I do not
> believe her the reasons she gave.
And as things stand, none of us believe you had the irrefutable proof
you claimed to have. Now, if you were to actually provide the proof
you said you had, you might stand a chance of convincing us
differently - but since you don't have the proof as you stated...
...all we can do is chalk this whole incident down to, what did Randy
call this type of thing a day or so ago...?
Oh, yeah! "Crying wolf". Yes Vera, you really should stop "crying
wolf" so much and maybe people would believe you more in Usenet.
(just ask Randy about how that works - I'm sure he'll be happy to tell
you -why, just a day or so ago he claimed that was the reason why no
one should believe Diana when she says things...seems to me the same
principle he applied to Diana might apply to you, also - after all,
what's good for Randy is good for Vera, isn't it? ;-)
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> typed:
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:49:51 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> Intimidating people by threatening them to have police
>> investigations to shut them up... If that is not disgusting!
>>
>> SHUDDER!!!
>>
>> TROLL OFF, MATT!!!
>>
>> INTIMIDATION DOES NOT WORK HERE.
>
> No intimidation at all.
>
> Just think his wife might need protection. Just did my civic duty
>
> Now Vera Six you can Troll Off Wait in your case it is Spam Off.
I only hope that Dave will sue you for libel in that case. He can reckon
with my witness.
Spam is something else, Matt. Just for your information... There is no
commercial interest in my posts, and they are the truth - youguys are
trolling.
Ha, ha - you can only dish out, but never take in. What an evil loon you
are. Do your daughters know what a coward their father is?
The good thing is that Dave will get to know your name and address... in
case you really reported him. :-) I cannot wait for that. :-)
Talking and arguing about doctrine is one thing, but youguys love to
cross the lines. You might even think you are full of the love of
Christ. lol You are a pest, and I have to shudder facing such cruel and
loveless people like you are. How can a people live with so much hate
that is in you, Matt? I pity you, I really do. May God have mercy on
you, satanically loaded little man. You have NO POWER, not even a name.
You are a noname, with no power. If you want to reach something, you
have to make up things and libel people. Pfui Deibel!
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>> In news:v6a9551fe223pq0ui...@4ax.com,
Rod
> In news:taka55t4chuuq62ct...@4ax.com,
> Matt <trdel...@gmail.com> typed:
>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:49:51 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Intimidating people by threatening them to have police
>>> investigations to shut them up... If that is not disgusting!
>>>
>>> SHUDDER!!!
>>>
>>> TROLL OFF, MATT!!!
>>>
>>> INTIMIDATION DOES NOT WORK HERE.
>> No intimidation at all.
>>
>> Just think his wife might need protection. Just did my civic duty
>>
>> Now Vera Six you can Troll Off Wait in your case it is Spam Off.
>
> I only hope that Dave will sue you for libel in that case. He can reckon
> with my witness.
Funny thing about libel suits; the person doing the suing (plaintiff)
has to have a nearly unimpeachable reputation to prevent his suit
from backfiring on him and tempting the jury to award damages to the
Defendant.
Daves reputation is not unimpeachable, nor is your's Vera...
::: Jesus is LORD :::
In news:h33pp9$btj$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
I
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <h33hs3$lkr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Subject: Re: * ANOTHER THREAT?
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> You are trolling!!!
>
> And you are lying, just as you did about the so called
> "proof" you swore you could provide. What really happened
> to that proof, Vera ?
>
> Did a dog eat it ??
If I remember correctly, Vera said to the effect Jani
supported their rights to keep posting, no?:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:40:10 +0100,
In newsgroup "alt.religion.wicca",
Article <g3139d$cbc$1...@energise.enta.net>,
"Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
**************************************************************
>"Luke" <alcatra...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:g2t4v4$51n$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
[]
>They do not want to stop making and seeing child porn.
Exactly. I've had this argument for *years* with people who
seem to think that driving it underground will stop it.
Personally, I'd far rather have them there, boasting about
their intentions on the interwebs, so they can be identified
and dealt with.
Jani
**************************************************************
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article
<<k�ll�>> <rosie...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 8, 7:34�pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>wrote:
>
>> TROLL OFF, LIAR!!!
>>
>> I dd not "swear" anthing,
>
>No, you didn't.
>
>> and I did not even promise youguys anything.
>
>Saying you had proof that Jani was a proponent of pedophilia and
>pedophiles and that *you would provide that proof* is the same as
>promising, Vera.
If I remember correctly, Vera said to the effect it could be
proved Jani argued for the rights of pedophiles to keep
posting to the groups:
Rod
> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:41:07 -0500,
> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
> Article <h33hs3$lkr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Subject: Re: * ANOTHER THREAT?
> Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> You are trolling!!!
>> And you are lying, just as you did about the so called
>> "proof" you swore you could provide. What really happened
>> to that proof, Vera ?
>>
>> Did a dog eat it ??
>
>
> If I remember correctly, Vera said to the effect Jani
> supported their rights to keep posting, no?:
They keep posting, they get caught. They go silent, they go
underground and vanish, but in the US going underground
now means getting access to the asian kidde porn markets
in Indonesia and Tiawan, which means for so much money they
get a passport, visa and a nice vacation having sex with asian
children for cash.
I'm not assuming anything regarding your feelings about this horrid
business, but I want them caught and jailed.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
> Randy � wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:41:07 -0500,
>> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
>> Article <h33hs3$lkr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Subject: Re: * ANOTHER THREAT?
>> Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>> You are trolling!!!
>>> And you are lying, just as you did about the so called
>>> "proof" you swore you could provide. What really happened
>>> to that proof, Vera ?
>>>
>>> Did a dog eat it ??
>>
>>
>> If I remember correctly, Vera said to the effect Jani
>> supported their rights to keep posting, no?:
>
> They keep posting, they get caught.
They may keep posting from anywhere in the world like Asia, and they do
not get caught. They may keep offering child porn, pre-teen sex or baby
rape, and all supported by brainies like you or her for your wicked
opinions.
> They go silent, they go
> underground and vanish,
No offer, no child rape. It is easer in the internet to find clients
than underground. If that would really be easieer, the police might very
well work from there, too.
> but in the US going underground
> now means getting access to the asian kidde porn markets
> in Indonesia and Tiawan, which means for so much money they
> get a passport, visa and a nice vacation having sex with asian
> children for cash.
Trollo, what do you think they are offering in those newsgroups?
> I'm not assuming anything regarding your feelings about this horrid
> business, but I want them caught and jailed.
But surely not by the existence of pre-teen sex newsgroups, idiot. You
and Jani, are probably one of those who want to read there, that is
what I think.
Rod
> In news:h343oo$5kb$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
> Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
>> Randy � wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:41:07 -0500,
>>> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
>>> Article <h33hs3$lkr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> Subject: Re: * ANOTHER THREAT?
>>> Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>>> You are trolling!!!
>>>> And you are lying, just as you did about the so called
>>>> "proof" you swore you could provide. What really happened
>>>> to that proof, Vera ?
>>>>
>>>> Did a dog eat it ??
>>>
>>> If I remember correctly, Vera said to the effect Jani
>>> supported their rights to keep posting, no?:
>> They keep posting, they get caught.
>
> They may keep posting from anywhere in the world like Asia, and they do
> not get caught.
Ahhhh...but they are being caught. Laws are being written to make
prosecution easier, and investigative methods are improving all
the time.
> They may keep offering child porn, pre-teen sex or baby
> rape, and all supported by brainies like you or her for your wicked
> opinions.
"Brainies" ? Wicked opinions ? Well take heart Vera for there are so
many like you that one day it will be a criminal offense to be
intelligent, and then everyone can be just like you are, and you won't
feel as if you've been "singled out" in a crowd!
>
>
>> They go silent, they go
>> underground and vanish,
>
> No offer, no child rape. It is easer in the internet to find clients
> than underground. If that would really be easieer, the police might very
> well work from there, too.
Vera, these people don't just go dormant because of lack of news
groups ! I'm sorry Vera, but that is just plain wrong !
>
>
>> but in the US going underground
>> now means getting access to the asian kidde porn markets
>> in Indonesia and Tiawan, which means for so much money they
>> get a passport, visa and a nice vacation having sex with asian
>> children for cash.
>
> Trollo, what do you think they are offering in those newsgroups?
My name isn't Trollo, Dr.Mengula !
I take it you're a "regular" ? You aren't a cop Vera, you've no
legitimate business in there other than informing on them, and it isn't
safe for you. Some of those people have murdered before to keep their
identities concealed from police. You risk much sticking your neck out
so far...
>
>
>> I'm not assuming anything regarding your feelings about this horrid
>> business, but I want them caught and jailed.
>
> But surely not by the existence of pre-teen sex newsgroups, idiot. You
> and Jani, are probably one of those who want to read there, that is
> what I think.
You've just gone a long way in proving that GOD doesn't speak thru
you Vera.
Of course you've offended me with this statement, but I'm not certain
what is more insulting; the insinuation above, your opposition to
pedophiles being caught, or being subjected to yet another dazzling
display of your stupidity ?
I believe it's all three......
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> In news:h343oo$5kb$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
>> Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> typed:
>>> Randy � wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:41:07 -0500,
>>>> In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
>>>> Article <h33hs3$lkr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> Subject: Re: * ANOTHER THREAT?
>>>> Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>>>>> You are trolling!!!
>>>>> And you are lying, just as you did about the so called
>>>>> "proof" you swore you could provide. What really happened
>>>>> to that proof, Vera ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did a dog eat it ??
>>>>
>>>> If I remember correctly, Vera said to the effect Jani
>>>> supported their rights to keep posting, no?:
>>> They keep posting, they get caught.
>>
>> They may keep posting from anywhere in the world like Asia, and they
>> do not get caught.
>
> Ahhhh...but they are being caught. Laws are being written to make
> prosecution easier, and investigative methods are improving all
> the time.
Laws are being written whle those groups have been in existence for
years.
Can you hear the cries of the raped children? I even remember one post
that offered "brutal sex".
TROLL OFF!!!
You would slaughter children for making some points against
Christianity.
>> They may keep offering child porn, pre-teen sex or baby
>> rape, and all supported by brainies like you or her for your wicked
>> opinions.
>
>
> "Brainies" ? Wicked opinions ? Well take heart Vera for there are
> so many like you that one day it will be a criminal offense to be
> intelligent, and then everyone can be just like you are, and you won't
> feel as if you've been "singled out" in a crowd!
You are really even sicker than I thought.
>>> They go silent, they go
>>> underground and vanish,
>>
>> No offer, no child rape. It is easer in the internet to find clients
>> than underground. If that would really be easieer, the police might
>> very well work from there, too.
>
>
> Vera, these people don't just go dormant because of lack of news
> groups ! I'm sorry Vera, but that is just plain wrong !
Stop sexual child abuse!
>>> but in the US going underground
>>> now means getting access to the asian kidde porn markets
>>> in Indonesia and Tiawan, which means for so much money they
>>> get a passport, visa and a nice vacation having sex with asian
>>> children for cash.
>>
>> Trollo, what do you think they are offering in those newsgroups?
>
>
> My name isn't Trollo, Dr.Mengula !
>
> I take it you're a "regular" ?
>
> You aren't a cop Vera, you've no
> legitimate business in there other than informing on them, and it
> isn't safe for you. Some of those people have murdered before to keep
> their identities concealed from police. You risk much sticking your
> neck out so far...
Pardon me? I do not read in those newsgroups. I just found them by
chance years ago and dd not trust my eyes.
>>> I'm not assuming anything regarding your feelings about this
>>> horrid business, but I want them caught and jailed.
>>
>> But surely not by the existence of pre-teen sex newsgroups, idiot.
>> You and Jani, are probably one of those who want to read there,
>> that is what I think.
>
> You've just gone a long way in proving that GOD doesn't speak thru
> you Vera.
How would you know? You do nto know God at all.
> Of course you've offended me with this statement, but I'm not
> certain what is more insulting; the insinuation above, your
> opposition to pedophiles being caught, or being subjected to yet
> another dazzling display of your stupidity ?
>
>
> I believe it's all three......
Believe whatever you please as long as you do not endanger little
children or babies of being threatened by sexual abuse, but just TROLL
OFF!!!
You have nothing to say in ths newsgroup, you are no Chrstian and your
only aim s to torpedoe the Chrstian faith and God's Word.
TROLL OFF!!!
Rod
>
> Can you hear the cries of the raped children? I even remember one post
> that offered "brutal sex".
>
> TROLL OFF!!!
>
> You would slaughter children for making some points against
> Christianity.
And you will lie about my motives because you hear but you
don't LISTEN, just as YHVH said of such as you are.
>
>
>>> They may keep offering child porn, pre-teen sex or baby
>>> rape, and all supported by brainies like you or her for your wicked
>>> opinions.
>>
>> "Brainies" ? Wicked opinions ? Well take heart Vera for there are
>> so many like you that one day it will be a criminal offense to be
>> intelligent, and then everyone can be just like you are, and you won't
>> feel as if you've been "singled out" in a crowd!
>
> You are really even sicker than I thought.
Vera my dear, you really don't listen well. Come on Vera, there are
things that could be said to you that I've no wish to say. You could be
a much better woman than this.
I would much rather help you than criticize you for your failings.
>
>
>>>> They go silent, they go
>>>> underground and vanish,
>>> No offer, no child rape. It is easer in the internet to find clients
>>> than underground. If that would really be easieer, the police might
>>> very well work from there, too.
>>
>> Vera, these people don't just go dormant because of lack of news
>> groups ! I'm sorry Vera, but that is just plain wrong !
>
> Stop sexual child abuse!
That is the point, always has been !
>
> >>> but in the US going underground
>>>> now means getting access to the asian kidde porn markets
>>>> in Indonesia and Tiawan, which means for so much money they
>>>> get a passport, visa and a nice vacation having sex with asian
>>>> children for cash.
>>> Trollo, what do you think they are offering in those newsgroups?
>>
>> My name isn't Trollo, Dr.Mengula !
>>
>> I take it you're a "regular" ?
>>
>> You aren't a cop Vera, you've no
>> legitimate business in there other than informing on them, and it
>> isn't safe for you. Some of those people have murdered before to keep
>> their identities concealed from police. You risk much sticking your
>> neck out so far...
>
> Pardon me? I do not read in those newsgroups. I just found them by
> chance years ago and did not trust my eyes.
My mistake Vera. I was under the impression that you are proactive
in prosecuting pedos.
>
>
>>>> I'm not assuming anything regarding your feelings about this
>>>> horrid business, but I want them caught and jailed.
>>> But surely not by the existence of pre-teen sex newsgroups, idiot.
>>> You and Jani, are probably one of those who want to read there,
>>> that is what I think.
>> You've just gone a long way in proving that GOD doesn't speak thru
>> you Vera.
>
> How would you know? You do nto know God at all.
You are not YHVH Vera. You cannot see what lives in my heart
and mind. It would do you good to remember this in the future.
>
>> Of course you've offended me with this statement, but I'm not
>> certain what is more insulting; the insinuation above, your
>> opposition to pedophiles being caught, or being subjected to yet
>> another dazzling display of your stupidity ?
>>
>>
>> I believe it's all three......
>
> Believe whatever you please as long as you do not endanger little
> children or babies of being threatened by sexual abuse, but just TROLL
> OFF!!!
>
> You have nothing to say in ths newsgroup, you are no Chrstian and your
> only aim s to torpedoe the Chrstian faith and God's Word.
You make a statement that is a memorial to liars everywhere, then
accuse me of "torpedoing" Christianity and the WORD.
Perhaps now would be a good time to abandon your crack pipe, if that
IS what makes you say this crazy stuff......
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
>Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:32:15 -0800, Matt <trdel...@gmail.com>
>> spake thusly:
>>
>>
>> <TEXT ADDED BELOW>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:18:08 -0400, Pastor Dave
>>> <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> OK like I have asked several times please explain
>>>>> you views on the subject?
>>>> And as I said, you already know, since you have
>>>> seen it many times, even in the past few days
>>>> and you are lying now, to try to worm your way
>>>> out of confessing to your sin against us, pretending
>>>> that you were honestly looking for our views on this!
>>>>
>>>> One does not look for the views of someone on
>>>> a subject, by falsely accusing them of rape and
>>>> abuse and of saying it's okay to rape your daughter,
>>>> nor by cussing at them and calling them "p*ssyman",
>>>> you liar!
>>> OK Mr Dave
>>>
>>> This is getting no where. Tell you what I will do. I will send local
>>> law enforcement in your area. these post and all I can find and
>>> suggest they visit your wife. I will also call them when after they
>>> have confirmed you are innocent I will apologize. Will this satisfy
>>> you?
>>>
>>> Now this will not be a accusation but a report of suspicious activity
>>
>> And now the threats start! Bawahahaha!!!
>
>
> A person who may be guilty of abuse would see Matts post as a threat,
> but not to someone seeing the situation thru clear eyes....
In other words, if someone objects to being
falsely accused of rape, then they're guilty
and what the other person admits later that
they said without any evidence, is okay.
Yea, right! <chuckle>
> This is just a little something to consider
See above. You're just as evil as he is and
you have suddenly taken this attitude, after
I bagged you admitting that even though
you know the context of Paul's statements
about lying, that you still quote him out of
context anyway, to try to make him look
like a liar! You immediately ran way from
that thread and now, here you are, all of
the sudden, defending Matt and blaming
me and trying to claim I am guilty of what
he falsely accused me of!
Like I said, you're just as evil as he is, Rod!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
>>Let's look at what Matt said here, folks.
>>
>>1) He admits that he has no knowledge
>> of what he accuses Randy and I of.
>
> I can only go by what I see.
And so after admitting that you did not see
me saying any such thing, by stating that
you "have no knowledge" that these things
occur, you still go on and accuse me anyway!
That makes you a liar, since if you only went
by what you see, then you wouldn't have
made the accusations!
> You posts seem to be that of a mentally
> unstable and aggressive personality.
In other words, you're trying to excuse making
false accusations against me.
>You refuse to state your view openly
This is another lie that you keep repeating,
as if repeating it makes it true!
I HAVE TOLD YOU SPECIFICALLY, OVER AND OVER,
IN MULTIPLE THREADS, YEARS AGO AND AGAIN,
FOR THE LAST AMOUNT OF DAYS!!!
>>2) He decides he should send the cops
>> to see if my wife is being raped by me
>> and only then will he apologize for
>> falsely accusing me.
>
> No threat at all. All I do is tell them my
> concerns it is up to them to decide if it
> warrants further investigation. This and
> your other post speak volumes about you
> aggressive and troubling style.
And your "concerns" are, "I never saw him
say that he did any such thing.".
I could sue for libel. And unlike the hot air blatherings
of others here in the past, I would win!
You have publicly accused me to at least thousands of:
1) Raping our wives.
2) Abusing our wives.
3) Saying it's okay to rape your daughter.
There are no ifs, ands, nor buts about it. I could sue
and I would win!
Especially when the printed messages in which you
admit that you have no knowledge of these things
being true are presented in court.
And no, claiming that you were just trying to look out
for someone won't work, since as you admit, there
was no basis for such a concern.
So do you really think I'm worried about anything that
you threaten me with, as you have already done?!
I told you, I keep everything here locally, on my system!
I don't need to worry about scrambling to look them up
and hoping Google has them! And that's why Diana's
little "X-noref" or whatever it is, doesn't work on me!
The messages get downloaded to my system and do
reside on it, so I have everyone's messages! I even
have folders I created for you and others, with a
physical copy of the messages backed up, which
are also backed up on disc and on an external USB
drive and on my NAS! I do believe in backing up
all of my data. :)
Now you can respond and go on and on, pretending
that whatever you say here will mean it isn't true,
but it won't change the facts and in a court of law,
your rantings won't work. All you would succeed
in doing, is angering the judge by insulting his/her
intelligence.
The bottom line is, if I was a litigious man, the lot
of you would be paying me a lot of money, no
matter what you want to try to pretend here!
>> You're an idiot, Matt! And an evil man!
>
> I at times have been a idiot, but not in this instance.
Most definitely in this instance! And that is why
you won't show these exchanges to your pastor!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
"One who dominates cannot serve." - Unknown
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <26fe55p7c5o3c3g59...@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Correct. Good thing you're not.
>>> You're an idiot, Matt! And an evil man!
>>
>> I at times have been a idiot, but not in this instance.
>
>Most definitely in this instance! And that is why
>you won't show these exchanges to your pastor!
--
Matt
Go for it Mr Dave. LOL Fool that you are.
We Will See
Matt
Matt
wrote:
LOL Maybe he could get Vera to get the German Government to pay for
it. LOL Still waiting for that lawsuit to come in.
Matt
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
If I did, you wouldn't be laughing and you're lucky
that I'm not a litigious man.
Now who is the worker of evil here?
The man who admits to falsely accusing me
and refuses to apologize for it and then tries
to threaten me.
Or...
The man who is being falsely accused, who could
easily sue and take a lot of money from the false
accuser and chooses not to.
Hmmmm... Yea, that's a tough call, huh?!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
"The first time is happenstance. The second time
is coincidence. The third time is the enemy
attacking." - Ian Flemming
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <p09h5512avoneugem...@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Correct.
Matt
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Well I think you need reading comprehension classes.
When I know I'm wrong I will apologize. That is how it works, I
don't make false apologies.
OK I will go this far.
I do not believe you have physically forced your wife. Now by what
you have said it is very possible you have intimidated her into doing
as you say. You consider women to be less than men it seems.
I treat my wife as my loving equal.
The Bible may say I can do otherwise but I prefer not to.
The Bible allows slavery but I also prefer not to have slaves.
Hope this clears things up a little.
Matt
BTW a little off topic here, but I could not remember don't you have a
little different take on Rev?
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
>>Now who is the worker of evil here?
>>
>>The man who admits to falsely accusing me
>>and refuses to apologize for it and then tries
>>to threaten me.
>>
>>Or...
>>
>>The man who is being falsely accused, who could
>>easily sue and take a lot of money from the false
>>accuser and chooses not to.
>>
>>Hmmmm... Yea, that's a tough call, huh?!
>
>
>Well I think you need reading comprehension classes.
>
>When I know I'm wrong I will apologize. That is how
>it works, I don't make false apologies.
Translation: I get to falsely accuse someone and then
they have to prove me wrong. And there
is nothing wrong with doing that.
Okay, no problem then. Anyone can accuse you of
molesting your child and it's okay, even if, like you.,
they admit it's a false accusation. And what needs
to happen, according to you rules is:
1) You need to apologize to them.
2) You need to prove they're wrong, which means
proving a negative.
3) You don't get to tell them that what they're doing
is wrong.
>OK I will go this far.
>
>I do not believe you have physically forced your wife.
Which means that you believed that your accusation
was false.
>Now by what you have said it is very possible you
>have intimidated her into doing as you say.
1) Very possible is not a guilty decree.
2) You try to twist and manipulate words, to try to
slither your way out of confessing to your evil.
3) A person quoting the Bible in a news group,
because someone else says the opposite of
what the Bible says, is not "intimidating my wife".
>You consider women to be less than men it seems.
You put this comment in here, to try to self-justify
your evil doing, because you can't admit to it.
>I treat my wife as my loving equal.
A wife is not equal in authority to the husband,
except in the bedroom. And no, that does not
mean that she gets to say no to sex. It means,
just as the Bible says, that they are equal in that
neither party can say no to the other. Each one's
body belongs to the other, when it comes to
their conjugal duty.
>The Bible may say I can do otherwise but I prefer not to.
The Bible does not say that "you may". The Bible
says that you may not. It tells the wife to submit
to her husband's authority in a marriage. It does
not say, "But only if you feel like it".
Furthermore, this "equal" crap is just that; crap!
It is impossible to be equal. There will be many
times when one wants one thing and the other
thinks the opposite is the best way to go and
one or the other will take the lead in a marriage.
It is obvious that in your marriage, that person
is you! Husbands who are whipped always say
that it's "equal". That translates to, "I'm whipped
and my wife runs the show".
>The Bible allows slavery but I also prefer not to have slaves.
This is where you attack God's word, to try to
justify the evil that you want to do!
A Christian submits to God's word. A Christian
is not someone who questions it and chooses
their own path!
That means that you are not a..... What Matt?
>Hope this clears things up a little.
It makes it very clear that you do not submit to God!
>BTW a little off topic here, but I could not remember
>don't you have a little different take on Rev?
Revelation? Different than whom? Futurists? Yes.
But your attempt to get Randy and I fighting again,
which is what we both know the reason for your
mentioning that is, won't work.
This is what you workers of evil do. You change
the subject to whatever you think will cause a
fight, to avoid having to deal with your evil,
which is how it got onto sex & marriage and
the lies you people tell about Randy and I again.
You are a worker of evil and nothing will change that!
Nor will anything change the fact that you would be
in deep, deep trouble, if I decided to sue you!
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
What part of 'THOU SHALT NOT' don't you understand?
Matt
Another post from :"the amazing Mr Dave"