I don't really care for Brian Kilmeade myself, though I do watch Fox. But
it's really silly to make an issue of programming that often goes off in
silly directions like this, just for entertainment purposes. It isn't just
news. It includes lots of humor. However, context is everything. Even if
somebody believes less-mixed races do better, that doesn't make him Aryan or
a "disciple of Hitler." Calling Brian Kilmeade a "disciple of Hitler" is
worse than anything Brian Kilmeade said in that clip.
randy
Why? It only mocks Kilmeade, who deserves to be mocked,
whereas Kilmeade's stuff arouses xenophobic ideas
and associations from the past.
So go ahead and mock Kilmeade. Context is everything,
as you say. He's a moron and a panderer, so let's marginalize him!
--
Rob Strom
My Christianity??
I'm a Pastafarian.
Jah Pastafari !!!
"Why? It only mocks Kilmeade, who deserves to be mocked,
whereas Kilmeade's stuff arouses xenophobic ideas
and associations from the past..."
As I said, I'm not a great admirer of Brian Kilmeade. But the reason we
should not slander and say Brian Kilmeade is a "disciple of Hitler" is
because he is not, and we are commanded not to slander.
randy
>
>"Rob Strom"
>> ...Calling Brian Kilmeade a "disciple of Hitler" is
>> worse than anything Brian Kilmeade said in that clip.
>
>"Why? It only mocks Kilmeade, who deserves to be mocked,
>whereas Kilmeade's stuff arouses xenophobic ideas
>and associations from the past..."
Brian Kilmeade's statements were right in line with those of Adolph
Hitler. the only reason to doubt his role as a "disciple of Hitler"
is that he seems to believe that the gremans are also "too
mongrelized" to be called "pure."
It's shorthand for "a disciple of the same sources Hitler is a
disciple of".
Is that better?
--
Rob Strom
It's the intellectual inconsistency that gags, Rob. You advocate
racial purity for the Jews, but you want every other people to be
mongrelized. You want an exclusive nation, exclusive clubs, and
exclusive schools for the Jews, but you want all other nations to be
wide open so the Jews can go everywhither and do everything.
You're a fraud, Rob.
TCross
It is not even true. Hitler was a disciple of Nietzsche and the
Germanic myth cycle. Can you say that for Kilmeade?
In point of fact, Hitler was not a "disciple" of anyone, really. He
had his own experiences, his own observations, and his own
conclusions. No one has credibly named a source from which Hitler
drew his doctrines holus bolus, apart from the political and economic
writings of Julius Streicher. That is why Hitler's Mein Kampf is the
source book. Do you claim Kilmeade is following the Streicher
doctrines?
So no, Rob, that is not better. But keep guessing. We are all hoping
you will bluff your way into intellectual integrity.
TCross
> On Jul 9, 9:08锟絘m, Rob Strom <st...@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 9, 9:21锟絘m, "randy" <rkl...@wavecable.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Great Sage Itchy"
> > ...
> >
> > > I don't really care for Brian Kilmeade myself, though I do watch Fox. But
> > > it's really silly to make an issue of programming that often goes off in
> > > silly directions like this, just for entertainment purposes. It isn't just
> > > news. It includes lots of humor. However, context is everything. Even if
> > > somebody believes less-mixed races do better, that doesn't make him Aryan
> > > or
> > > a "disciple of Hitler." Calling Brian Kilmeade a "disciple of Hitler" is
> > > worse than anything Brian Kilmeade said in that clip.
> >
> > Why? 锟絀t only mocks Kilmeade, who deserves to be mocked,
> > whereas Kilmeade's stuff arouses xenophobic ideas
> > and associations from the past.
> >
> > So go ahead and mock Kilmeade. 锟紺ontext is everything,
> > as you say. 锟紿e's a moron and a panderer, so let's marginalize him!
>
> It's the intellectual inconsistency that gags, Rob. You advocate
> racial purity for the Jews, but you want every other people to be
> mongrelized. You want an exclusive nation, exclusive clubs, and
> exclusive schools for the Jews, but you want all other nations to be
> wide open so the Jews can go everywhither and do everything.
>
> You're a fraud, Rob.
>
> TCross
>
This is a good discussion. Thanks to all contributors.
Rather than looking for the philosophical origins of the mentality
exibited by Kilmeade, see what is REALLY the origin of this mentality.
The real name of this thinking is EGOTISM. A more expanded expression
would be egotism and exclusivity. Any mentality which divides human
beings into the right humans and the wrong humans is egotism,
exclusivity, and arrogance. Such thinking DENIES ONENESS, and the
infinite (God) origin of all . This thinking can not stand, it has no
future, because it is based on a lie. It is thinking which can only
lead to HATE and WAR. That is why such thinking has no place on
broadcast TV.
There are NO "racially pure" people.
God is not an person, so God did NOT "choose" anyone.
A long time ago on this planet, a natural disaster took place that
wiped out most of the people. The spiritual leaders of the planet, who
were considered to be "living Gods" Knew the spiritual world (the
Garden of Eden) would end with this disaster, and a new world would
arise which would develop science and technology. The people we call
the Jews were chosen to lead the world is this new direction. They were
chosen because their culture was ideally suited to material
development. "God" did not choose anyone. Spiritual leaders made a
decision on what would be the most beneficial course for the planet.
Brian Kilmeade cannot be called a "disciple of Hitler" just because he
believes in some aspect of racial purity. To follow Hitler is to agree with
his political causes, and you know Brian doesn't do that. You remain guilty
of slander.
randy
"It's shorthand for "a disciple of the same sources Hitler is a
disciple of".
Is that better?"
I think that's confusing, so no, I don't think it's in the least fair.
Citing anybody in association with Hitler is terribly unfair, unless there
is a direct connection politically.
randy
Randy, you are deeply mistaken.
Both Brian Kilmeade and Adolph Hitler are/were politcal conservatives.
Many of Hitler's disciples did not follow all of his ideas, but like
Brian Kilmeade they followed most.
>randy
>
> Randy, you are deeply mistaken.
> Both Brian Kilmeade and Adolph Hitler are/were politcal conservatives.
> Many of Hitler's disciples did not follow all of his ideas, but like
> Brian Kilmeade they followed most.
I am *not* deeply mistaken. Brian Kilmeade cannot in the least be called a
"disciple of Hitler"--not because he shares with Hitler a concept of "racial
purity," and not because he is "politically conservative." This is non
sequitur reasoning. If a dog and cat share the fact they both have ears,
they are not the same kind of animal. And if they both share tails, they are
*still* not the same kind of animal.The only thing that would make Brian
Kilmeade a "disciple of Hitler" would be if Brian Kilmeade actually followed
Hitler's leadership and political doctrines. Brian Kilmeade's political
conservativism is not in the least in line with Hitler's political beliefs.
Quit slandering the man.
randy
Randy, you are not making any sense.
Brian Kilmeade follows Hitlers ideology on both Racism and politics.
What else do you want...poor quality paintings?
>randy
> Randy, you are not making any sense.
> Brian Kilmeade follows Hitlers ideology on both Racism and politics.
> What else do you want...poor quality paintings?
We might both agree with Hitler on the importance of rebuilding the State's
economy and on the importance of restoring national patriotism. That doesn't
make us a follower of Hitler anymore than you standing in a car garage makes
you a car.
randy
If Kilmeade belief in marrying within his race is Hitlerism, what is
it when the Editor in Chief of the New Jersey Jewish News says the
same about Jews?
When Jews Marry Gentiles written by Andrew Silow-Carroll, Editor-in-
Chief of the New Jersey Jewish News.
... I care deeply about the chain of Jewish culture, and feel the best
way to keep it going is not only to marry a Jewish women but raise
kids to appreciate Jewish culture in a positive, sustaining, organic,
and holistic way. Of course, they may end up not appreciating it as
much as I do, but will at least make an informed choice if they go
down another path.
-- http://njjewishnews.com/justASC/2009/02/26/when-jews-marry-gentiles/
Here come the feeble excuses trotted forth as though they were the
peak of rationality and wisdom. 1...2...3...
TCross
> > Randy, you are deeply mistaken.
> > Both Brian Kilmeade and Adolph Hitler are/were politcal conservatives.
> > Many of Hitler's disciples did not follow all of his ideas, but like
> > Brian Kilmeade they followed most.
>
> If Kilmeade belief in marrying within his race is Hitlerism, what is
> it when the Editor in Chief of the New Jersey Jewish News says the
> same about Jews?
There is no difference. The mentality is the same.
When it comes to selecting a marriage partner, the Universe/God doesn't
care about what you believe. Male and female are opposite. The
universe/God is always looking for the perfect opposite balance.
That is the ONLY thing it cares about because that will produce the
best quality offspring.
To go one more step, this is what the Universe/God is always doing.
Perfect balance of opposites is always the goal. Everything is always
moving and changing to reach "perfection".
By the way, this is what is meant by following God's "Law" and :"God's
Word" in the Bible. Also "righteousness" in the Bible means being
"right" , in balance, with the invisible energy of the universe that
exists within all things.
Apparently, you haven't had a look at the Bible, lately. It is not as
you say it is.
TCross
The fact that he promotes nazi politcal views does.
>randy
>On Jul 22, 10:27 am, Aaron <a...@home.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:25:22 -0700, "randy" <rkl...@wavecable.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Aaron"
>> >randy
>> >> Brian Kilmeade's statements were right in line with those of Adolph
>> >> Hitler. the only reason to doubt his role as a "disciple of Hitler"
>> >> is that he seems to believe that the gremans are also "too
>> >> mongrelized" to be called "pure."
>>
>> >Brian Kilmeade cannot be called a "disciple of Hitler" just because he
>> >believes in some aspect of racial purity. To follow Hitler is to agree with
>> >his political causes, and you know Brian doesn't do that. You remain guilty
>> >of slander.
>>
>> Randy, you are deeply mistaken.
>> Both Brian Kilmeade and Adolph Hitler are/were politcal conservatives.
>> Many of Hitler's disciples did not follow all of his ideas, but like
>> Brian Kilmeade they followed most.
>
>If Kilmeade belief in marrying within his race is Hitlerism, what is
>it when the Editor in Chief of the New Jersey Jewish News says the
>same about Jews?
Not at all, Kilmeade's support of Nazi politcal positions like those
of George W Bush make him a Nazi.
beside that you are lying about the Editor in Chief of the New Jersey
Jewish News. below he promotes Jews marrying withing their own
religion not race.
Odd that you should call me a liar when the evidence so clearly shows
otherwise.
As shown by the text of the essay, the issue is not religion but
culture. And with Judaism, since a Jew is a Jew only if certain
ancestors are Jewish, race is essential to the definition culture.
Neither religion or Judaism is mentioned in the entire essay. It is
all "Jewish" and "Jews", which may include atheists and apostates, of
course. As long as the mother is Jewish and could put the right blood
in the subject's veins, who cares?
What matters to Andrew Silow-Carroll (ans so many other writers of the
same opinion) is whether the couple is "Jewish."
TCross
Has Randy been promoting the 39 points? Or just exactly which Nazi
political views did you have in mind?
TCross
> The fact that he promotes nazi politcal views does.
Somebody who believes that there are certain advantages to maintaining
ethnic purity is not supporting nazi political views.
randy
You're right it is "not supporting nazi political views" it *IS* supporting
"Nazi philosophy" .....
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