COPNFUSION OF LORDS: YAHWEH has MADE Jesus both boss & Christ
I
has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you crucified."
(Act 2:36)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE CONFUSION OF LORDS
Syllogism:
"Lord" = substitution for "YHWH" in the Old Testament
"Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
THEREFORE
YHWH = Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The confusion only works because of the substituted word ("Lord") for "YHWH"
in the Old Testament is the same word for "boss" in the New Testament.
Lord does not mean God.
Lord means master / boss.
1) property owners are called Lord (Matt. 20:8, kurios is "owner" - NIV) 2)
heads of households were called Lord (Mk 13:35, owner=kurios).
3) slave owners were called Lord (Matt. 10:24, master=kurios).
4) husbands were called Lord (1 Pet. 3:6, master=kurios).
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30, sir=kurios).
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26, His Majesty=kurios).
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63, sir=kurios).
Matthew 7:21-23 states "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will
enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father
[YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN MESSIAH] who is in heaven. Many will say to me on
that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name
drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly,
`I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
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(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
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Randy ®
"Confusion OF Lords" <Mark_T...@confusionoflords.com> wrote:
> "Lord" = substitution for "YHWH" in the Old Testament
> "Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios) in
Joel 2:32, as Romans 10:13 uses to show Jesus as the fulfillment
of Joel's prophecy. Thus, it isn't a matter of people confusing
the English translation of Yahweh (LORD), with Kurios (Lord), but
the fact it's the same Greek word being used both for the OT
"Yahweh" and the NT "Lord". Both the context of Romans 10:13,
and the meaning of the Greek words, indicate Jesus is the
fulfillment of Joel's prophecy. You must call upon Jesus as LORD
(Yahweh) to be saved.
John 8 confirms that unless you believe Jesus is "I AM" (the
eternally self-existing One, i.e. "Yahweh"), you shall die in
your sins. By confirming "before Abraham was, I AM", He meant He
is the existing one (Yahweh), which is why they then tried to
kill Him.
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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>
> > "Lord" = substitution for "YHWH" in the Old Testament
> > "Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
>
> The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios) in
> Joel 2:32, as Romans 10:13 uses to show Jesus as the fulfillment
> of Joel's prophecy.
Christians have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that “Jesus”
properly named Yehoshua was not the Almighty Creator. This happens
because they reside in a translation of scriptures that removes the
name of our Almighty creator from scriptures. One of the many clear
examples is here:
Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him
Lord, saying,
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till
I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Now we know from v. 43 this is quoting Psalm 110 but what is hidden
from Christian eyes is the fact that it clearly says, “Lord” in lower
case letters. The restored passage of Psalm reads:
Psa 110:1 YAHWEH said unto my Master, Sit thou at my RIGHT HAND, until
I make thine enemies thy footstool.2 YAHWEH shall send the rod of thy
strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Where did his master sit? At his right hand… what does Yehoshua
teach?
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and
be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my
RIGHT HAND, and on my left, is NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be GIVEN
TO THEM for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Only YHWH can give title and authority to sit at his right hand.
Yehoshua did not have authority to give what was not his to give.
Mar 10:40 But to sit on my RIGHT HAND and on my left hand is NOT MINE
TO GIVE; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Confirmed by two witnesses!
Mar 14:62 And Yehoshua said, I am and ye shall see the Son of man
sitting on the RIGHT HAND of power, and coming in the clouds of
heaven.
Mar 16:19 So then after Yehoshua had spoken unto them, he was received
up into heaven, and sat on the RIGHT HAND of YHWH.
We see that just as Psalm 110 reads, the Messiah sits at the RIGHT
HAND of Power, YHWH!
Isa 45:15 Truly You are El, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of IsraEL,
Saviour!
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
Come post a message please, I'd love to hear from you. While this is
a moderated forum, the only moderation will be to remove spam.
Shalom,
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Luk 9:5 “And as for those who do not receive you, when you go out of
that city, shake off the dust from your feet as a witness against
them.” 6 And going out they went through the villages, bringing the
Good News and healing everywhere.
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip <--free
download of the Restored Names King James Version
Life is a gift, and it offers us the privilege, opportunity, and
responsibility to give something back by becoming more.
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Some people hate and expect affection
Some people lie and demand the truth
I gotta ask myself if it's soul deception
Is this the natural thing that we all just do
We take such pleasure from pain,
I'm just tired of playing that game
Some things you've got to change
Chorus:
You've got to stand and deliver, with your body and soul
Stand and deliver, just give me something to hold
Stand and deliver, if the truth can be told
We can make it together, if we stand - stand and deliver
duke
wrote:
>On Nov 11, 2:00�am, Randy � <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11/10/09, at 0:18:31AM,
>> "Confusion OF Lords" <Mark_Tind...@confusionoflords.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Lord" = substitution for "YHWH" in the Old Testament
>> > "Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
>>
>> The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios) in
>> Joel 2:32, as Romans 10:13 uses to show Jesus as the fulfillment
>> of Joel's prophecy. �
>
>Christians have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that �Jesus�
>properly named Yehoshua was not the Almighty Creator.
God is the almighty Creator. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Triune God.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, guardian Snow wrote:
> >On Nov 11, 2:00 am, Randy ® wrote:
> >> On Tue, 11/10/09, at 0:18:31AM,
>
> >> > "Lord" = substitution for "YHWH" in the Old Testament
> >> > "Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
> >> The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios) in
> >> Joel 2:32, as Romans 10:13 uses to show Jesus as the fulfillment
> >> of Joel's prophecy.
> >Christians have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that “Jesus”
> >properly named Yehoshua was not the Almighty Creator.
> God is the almighty Creator. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Triune God.
>
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word
was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made
that
was made,
The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
(and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,)
full of grace and truth.
When did Peter, James and John see Christ's glory?
They saw His glory on the Mount of Transfiguration.
Matthew 17 : 1 - 8, Mark 9 : 2 - 8
Gladys Swager
I
> The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios)
SO???? Try to read the WHOLE post before demonstrating your ignorance to
the whole world.
" Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that GOD [YAHWEH]
has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you crucified."
(Act 2:36)
What does that MEAN?????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE CONFUSION OF LORDS
Syllogism:
"Lord" = substitution for "YHWH" in the Old Testament
"Lord" = "lord / boss" (refering to Jesus of Nazareth) in the New Testament
THEREFORE
YHWH = Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The confusion only works because of the substituted word ("Lord") for "YHWH"
in the Old Testament is the same word for "boss" in the New Testament.
Lord does not mean God.
Lord means master / boss.
1) property owners are called Lord (Matt. 20:8, kurios is "owner" - NIV) 2)
heads of households were called Lord (Mk 13:35, owner=kurios).
3) slave owners were called Lord (Matt. 10:24, master=kurios).
4) husbands were called Lord (1 Pet. 3:6, master=kurios).
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30, sir=kurios).
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26, His Majesty=kurios).
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63, sir=kurios).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```````
from John Dominic Crossan's "God & Emprire: Jesus against Rome, then and
now," (HarperOne:2007)
Julius Caesar, who was, after all, a divi filius, or "son of god" by birth
... Octavian was Princeps, first among equals with all the equals dead, and
soon he would be rthe "One-To-Be-Worshiped" (Sebastos in Greek), or the
Divine One (Augustus in Latin). p. 10
Horace ... in his Epistles: ... Upon you [Augustus], however, while still
among us, we already bestow homnors, set up altars to swear by in your name,
and confess that nothingv like you will arise after you or has arisen before
you. (2.1) ... Caesar Augustus was unique in having achieved divine status
while still alive. p. 19
Ovid ... explains the meaning of the title "Augustus" in the Fasti ...
[Augustus's] name is shared by Jupiter the Supreme. The Fathers call holy
things "august", they call temples "august", duly ordained by priestly
hands. "Augry," too derives from the word's root, and all that Jupiter
"augments" with his power. (1.608-612). ... in a later chapter ... Holy
Father of the fatherland ... You have long been Father of the World.
Jupiter's name in high heaven is your name on earth: You the father of men,
he of the gods ... [Caesar August's] leadership has Romanized the sun
....All beneath high Jupiter is Casar's. (2.127-38) p.20
... a living human person being at the same time a living divine being.
Their logic was flawlessly simple. Gods run the world. Caesar runs the
world. Therefore, Caesar is a god. p. 20
IMPERATOR CAESAR, SON OF GOD ... a succint summary of Roman imperial
theology. It indicates the practice of religiojn, worshiping the
appropriate gods, to secure a blessing for a war that resulted in victory
and secured peace on land and sea. ... Rome's imperial theology: religion,
war, victory, peace - or more briefly, peace through victory. p.23
Res Gestae Divi Augustus (The Acts Of The Divine Augustus) "by which he
brought rthe whole earth under the empire [imperium] of the Roman people."
p. 24
The emperor's divinity was the incarnate heart of Roman imperial theology
and stayed as such long after Augustus was dead. p.25
There was a human being in the first century who was called "Divine," "Son
of God," "God," and "God from God," whose titles were "Lord," "Redeemer,"
"Liberator," and "Savior of the World." ... before Jesus ever existed, all
those terms belonged to Caesar Augustus. To proclaim them of Jesus the
Christ was thereby to deny them of Caesar Augustus. .... They were taking
the identity of the Roman emporaer and giving it to a Jewish peasant. Either
that was a peculiar joke and a very low lampoon, or it was what the Romans
called majestas and we call high treason. p.28
Dio Cassius, repeated the story in his Roman History ... in adopting
Octavian, Julius Caesar "was influenced by Attia's emphatic declaration that
the youth had been engendered by Apollo" (45.1). Only Matthew 1-2 and Luke
1-2 work within that same tradition of a divinely conceived and
prophetically predestined child in creating an overture of Jesus's public
life. ... To say ... that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the city of King
David, is to proclaim him as the awaited Davidic Messiah - just as a
politician born in a log cabin could mean a new Lincoln for modern
Americans. From that basis, therefore, the twin stories in Matthew 1-2 and
Luke 1-2 not only exult Jesus within his own Jewish tradition but place his
birth and destiny in deliberate contradiction to Roman imperial theology's
story of Augustus's birth and destiny. ... A new and therefore replacement
King of the Jews has been appointed by God and not by Rome. Moreover, and
new and therefore replacement star has appeared in the sky ... Matthew's
first century counter-story is high treason. pp. 106-107
"Savior" and "Lord" were titles of Caesar because he had brought "peace" to
this earth. pp.108-109
The logic of Jesus's Kimngdom program is a mutuality of healing (the basic
spiritual power) and eating (the basic physical power) shared freely and
openly. The program built a share-community from the bottom up as a
positive alternative to Antipas's Roman greed-community established from the
top down. p. 118
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Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> "Randy � Young"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios)
> SO???? Try to read the WHOLE post before demonstrating your ignorance to
> the whole world.
You're the one who isn't addressing the facts. You're arguing as
if people are confusing OT Yahweh with NT Kurios, because they
are both translated "Lord", are you not? Well, it's not just
the English translation that has the words appearing the same.
1) The LXX uses the same GREEK word for Lord (Yahweh), as Romans
10:13 uses for Jesus as being "Lord".
2) The context of Romans 10:13 shows Jesus is the Lord being
referred to in Joel 2:32, which we know was Yahweh. Thus, you
must believe in and call on Jesus as Yahweh to be saved, which is
why you're on your way to a fiery eternal torment in hell for
rejecting Jesus as the Yahweh you claim to worship.
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> "Randy � Young"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios)
> SO???? Try to read the WHOLE post before demonstrating your ignorance to
> the whole world.
>
> " Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that GOD [YAHWEH]
> has MADE him both Lord (BOSS) and Christ, this JESUS whom you crucified."
> (Act 2:36)
>
> What does that MEAN?????
That Kurios and Theos are used both of Christ (Romans 10:13, John
1:1) and God the Father (e.g. John 1:1, Acts 2:39), and that the
LXX uses the same word Kurios both for Yahweh (Joel 2:32), as
well as Jesus (Romans 10:13), when it shows Jesus is the
fulfillment of Joel's prophecy that whoever calls on the name of
Yahweh (Kurios, LXX) shall be saved.
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> "Randy � Young"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios)
> SO???? Try to read the WHOLE post before demonstrating your ignorance to
> the whole world.
You're the one not addressing the facts. Kurios and Theos are
used both of Christ (Romans 10:13, John 1:1) and God the Father
(e.g. John 1:1, Acts 2:39). The LXX uses the same word Kurios
both for Yahweh (Joel 2:32), as well as Jesus (Romans 10:13),
when it shows Jesus is the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy that
whoever calls on the name of Yahweh (Kurios, LXX) shall be saved.
That's why you, for rejecting Jesus as Yahweh, will burn in hell
forever, unless God gives you a change of mind.
I
I
I
Randy ®
I
> UNEMPLOYED
I am retired whereas YOU are UNEMPLOYED and obsessively post the same
questions over and over again although they have been answered many times.
Steve Hayes
>"Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The LXX uses the same exact Greek word for "LORD" (Kurios)
>
>SO???? Try to read the WHOLE post before demonstrating your ignorance to
>the whole world.
Who is "I", and why is it so obsessed with this "Randy Young" that it posts
SIX NEW THREADS DEVOTED TO RANDY YOUNG?
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Terms and conditions apply.
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haye...@hotmail.com
Steve Hayes
Who is "I", and why is it so obsessed with this "Randy Young" that it posts
SIX NEW THREADS DEVOTED TO RANDY YOUNG?
and most of the six new threads seem to have the same content as the other 5.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
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> UNEMPLOYED Mark Tindall continues with OCD posting - GET A JOB!!!
Mark has been haunting ACC for six years while he could have worked.
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000528> wrote:
Which means you're VOLUNTARILY unemployed, you hypocritical BUM.
My Dad is near 70, and still working, even though he could
retire! Take your own advice, hypocrite! Start doing something
other than try to destroy people's faith in the God of the Bible!
Barry OGrady
"I" is Mark Tindall. His hatred for Christianity is due to the way his homosexual
brother was treated by his church.
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>
>Steve Hayes
>haye...@hotmail.com
Barry
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Home page
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Randy ®
Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "I" is Mark Tindall. His hatred for Christianity is due to the way his homosexual
> brother was treated by his church.
And the fact that, by his own claims about himself, he apparently
doesn't like people having standards that impose on his will,
make him feel guilty, etc. That pretty-much necessitates him
having to attack the Bible.
Steve Hayes
wrote:
Does that explain his obsession with this Randy Young (WHMB)?
I
<snip ratbaggery>
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with allyour soul and
with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
####################################################
from James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977)
There is no 'the Bible' that 'claims' to be divinely inspired, there is no
'it' that has a 'view of itself'. ... There is no such thing as 'the Bible's
view of itself' from which a fully authoritative answer to these questions
can be obtained. ... The most obvious difficulty is the absence from the
New Testamnent of clear unambiguous 'claims' about the infallibility and
inerrancy of the total New Testament as we have it today. p.78
#########################################################
Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He is the
norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation of
the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text, are
decisive and constitutive for us.
- John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and now,"
(HarperOne:2007) p. 95
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I
<snip ratbaggery>
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with allyour soul and
with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
####################################################
from James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977)
There is no 'the Bible' that 'claims' to be divinely inspired, there is no
'it' that has a 'view of itself'. ... There is no such thing as 'the Bible's
view of itself' from which a fully authoritative answer to these questions
can be obtained. ... The most obvious difficulty is the absence from the
New Testamnent of clear unambiguous 'claims' about the infallibility and
inerrancy of the total New Testament as we have it today. p.78
#########################################################
Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He is the
norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation of
the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text, are
decisive and constitutive for us.
- John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and now,"
(HarperOne:2007) p. 95
########################################################
I
<snip ratbaggery>
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with allyour soul and
with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
####################################################
from James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977)
There is no 'the Bible' that 'claims' to be divinely inspired, there is no
'it' that has a 'view of itself'. ... There is no such thing as 'the Bible's
view of itself' from which a fully authoritative answer to these questions
can be obtained. ... The most obvious difficulty is the absence from the
New Testamnent of clear unambiguous 'claims' about the infallibility and
inerrancy of the total New Testament as we have it today. p.78
#########################################################
Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He is the
norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation of
the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text, are
decisive and constitutive for us.
- John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and now,"
(HarperOne:2007) p. 95
########################################################
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000531> wrote:
[]
> <snip ratbaggery>
And now there's nothing left of Mark's post...
Meanwhile
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
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You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
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Hey Mark. Why do you claim to believe in a Jesus you heard about
from a source you insist you can't know is not an error? And
hey, House said you claimed you weren't a Christian. Is he an
idiot, a liar, or did you actually claim you were not a Christian?
On Wed, 11/11/09, at 8:25:28AM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <5b93f251-e8c7-4a21-9fa9-2959d0169793@y32g2000pr
d.googlegroups.com>
In My Fathers House <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Are you just now figuring out that Mark is not a Christian?
Nearly everyone else figured it out when Mark said so.
*****************************************************************
On Wed, 11/11/09, at 0:07:41AM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4afa56fe$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000529> wrote:
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I have been a CHRISTIAN since 1972.
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I
> Barry OGrady <god_fre...@yahoo.com>
Oh, that uneducated atheist Barry O'Grady still posting his nonsense? I
wouldn't know. He's in my Bozo Bin for good reason.
--
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my
enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." - Voltaire
I
dolf
"...But you shall be called priests of the LORD, men shall speak of you
as those who minister before our God; you shall eat the possessions of
the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall be indulged.
Instead of your being ashamed and confounded, two for one the benefits I
promised you I will bring to you, and the Gentiles will be ashamed who
were boasting in their lot; therefore in their land they shall possess
two for one: theirs shall be everlasting joy. For I the LORD love
judgment, despised before me are deceit and oppression: I will in truth
give them a reward of their deeds, and I will make an eternal covenant
with them." [Aramaic Targum Isaiah 61: 6-8]
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/about.html
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip ratbaggery>
>
> On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
> In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
> Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
> I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
> *****************************************************************
> You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
> *****************************************************************
>
> The dolt attacks the source by which he knows Christ, insists he
can't be sure what is not an error in that source, then claims to trust
the same Christ that source proclaimed to him? Self-evident,
self-contradiction!
>
>
I <me@home000000000000531> wrote:
> "Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip ratbaggery>
>
"So [Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as his
custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up
to read. And he has handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he
had opened the book, he found the place where it was written:" [Luke
4:16-17]
"...A spirit of prophecy before the LORD God is upon me, because the
LORD has exalted me to announce good tidings to the poor; he has sent me
to strengthen the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, to
those who are bound, be revealed to light; to proclaim the year of
pleasure before the LORD, and the day of vengeance before our God; to
comfort all those who mourn; to confuse those who mourn in Zion--to give
them a diadem instead of ashes, oil of joy instead of mourning, a
praising spirit instead of their spirit which is dejected; that they may
call them true princes, the people of the LORD, that he maybe
glorified." [Isaiah 61:1-3]
It seems to me that Jesus read the Bible and claimed to be the norm of
the Bible as recorded in the New Testament.
> #########################################################
> Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He
is the
> norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation of
> the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text, are
> decisive and constitutive for us.
>
> - John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and now,"
> (HarperOne:2007) p. 95
> ########################################################
Nous: #78
Time:
Date:
Torah: #8 #5 #6 %81 = #19
Dao: Recognizing Fidelity, Trust in Faith
Tetra: #47 - Pattern
I-Ching: H59 - Dispersal
Latin: Requies {God good in himself} Alt: Momyah {Blemish of God} {
1. TO OBTAIN GRACE
2. THE EXILED, FUGITIVE & CONDEMNED PRISONERS
3. AGAINST THIEVES AND MURDERERS
4. Thuimis
}
Perez {Divided}
Strata Super (male): #531
77 #77 Natural Guide, Heaven's Reason
140 #63 Origins in Reversal, Consider Beginnings
209 #69 Profound Use, Function of the Mysterious
277 #68 Coinciding with Nature, Complying With Heaven
349 #72 Self-Love, Holding Oneself Dear
421 #72 Self-Love, Holding Oneself Dear
490 #69 Profound Use, Function of the Mysterious
491 #1 To Guide with Names, Reason's Realisation
531 #40 Reversal, Avoiding Activity
6 Categories
#20, #70, #30, #1, #200, #10, #50 kolasis - punishment 1, torment 1; 2
#50, #400, #50, #1, #30 Nethane'l - Nethaneel 14; 14 Nethaneel =
'given of God'
#1, #30, #50, #400, #50 'Elnathan - Elnathan 7; 7 Elnathan = 'God has
given'
#2, #8, #9, #500, #1, #3, #8 Bethphage - Bethphage 3; 3 Bethphage =
house of unripe figs
#20, #400, #100, #10, #1 Kuria - lady 2; 2
#6, #1, #30, #400, #100, #5 'Elteqe - Eltekeh 2; 2 Eltekeh = 'let God
spew thee out'
#531 English Words: accommodation; aesthetic; antitank; awl;
bronchitis; certificate; chinstrap; christening; diminuendo;
embroilment; full-blooded; heartbroken; hibiscus; igneous; insistence;
intimidated; irregardless; kindergarten; law; leaver; machinations;
marauder; patroon; perforated; predictor; prejudicial; reveal; shucks;
smarts; streamer; subjoin; telepathic; time-honored
Steve Hayes
>"Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><snip ratbaggery>
Who is "I", and why is it so obsessed with this "Randy Young" that it posts
TEN NEW THREADS DEVOTED TO RANDY YOUNG?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
dolf
fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
aware of in Africa.
Steve Hayes
>I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
>aware of in Africa.
I had never heard of this Randy Young before this person you say is called
Mark Tindall started flooding the newsgroups with messages about him in at
least ten different threads.
A fairly well-known theologian or biblical scholar might desrve to be named in
a thread occasionally -- someone of the stature of, say Kark Barth or John
Calvin or John of Damascus or Martin Luther or John Wesley or Gregory of
Nasianzus or Stanley Hauerwas or David Bosch or William Laud. But having two
threads would be pushing it, and three or four would be over the top.
So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep pushing this
Randy Young whom I'f never heard of until about ten separate message threads
about him appeared over the last couple of days?
I know nothing of Randy Young.
I do know that "Mark Tindall" (is he a Rastafarian, calling himself "I"?) is a
troll and a spammer.
If Randy Young is sufficiently important as a theologian to deserve not one,
but ten different threads, then please will someone explain his theological
importance and why we should take notice of him.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
I
>>I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
>>aware of in Africa.
>
> I had never heard of this
I have responded to Randy Young's repeated abusive rants as dolf has stated.
At alt-christnet.christianlife Randy Young repeatedly harrasses, bullies and
lies about the Christians on that ng of which I am one. He calls the
Christian women at alt-christnet.christianlife "whores", "Satanic", "not
true Christians", "liars", etc. He has spred lies about these Christian
women across many ngs. If you had any commonsense you'd copmplain about his
abuse of Christian women and block him rather complain that I dare to call
his bluff or use a tag to protect myself from his bullying.
I have been a Christian since 1972 including working in Christian schooling
and recording in Christian bands. I use the tag "I" because of
fundamentalists such as Randy Young who wish to spred lies and malign my
name.
MY SOUNDCLICK PAGE- download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
Steve Hayes
>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>>fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
>>>aware of in Africa.
>>
>> I had never heard of this
>
>
>I have responded to Randy Young's repeated abusive rants as dolf has stated.
I have seen no abusive a\rants by this Randy Young.
I have seen plent of posts from you ABOIUT this Randy Young, whom I would
never have heard if if you hyadn't posted so many different threads about him.
>At alt-christnet.christianlife Randy Young repeatedly harrasses, bullies and
>lies about the Christians on that ng of which I am one. He calls the
>Christian women at alt-christnet.christianlife "whores", "Satanic", "not
>true Christians", "liars", etc. He has spred lies about these Christian
>women across many ngs. If you had any commonsense you'd copmplain about his
>abuse of Christian women and block him rather complain that I dare to call
>his bluff or use a tag to protect myself from his bullying.
Well he hasn't done any of that stuff in alt.religion.christian.episcopal or
england.religion.christian, where I wouldn't have known anything about him
apart from your spam.
And if you need to refute something he has said, then surely one thread is
enough, and in the newsgroup where he posted it. Crossposting multiple threads
to newsgroups where he is unknown is spamming.
>I have been a Christian since 1972 including working in Christian schooling
>and recording in Christian bands. I use the tag "I" because of
>fundamentalists such as Randy Young who wish to spred lies and malign my
>name.
Ok, well it looks like the kind of thing Rastas do.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
I
<snippeth>
As a professional educator, K-12 & adult, who has been a School Principal
and Training Manager, I find your response utterly ignorant.
I am NOT a "Rasta" - Rastafarian. I have been a CHRISTIAN since 1972. Do
you suffer from dyslexia?????
What do you think "RESPONSE" means????? I have ONLY chaged headers in
response to the bullying tactics of Randy Young.
Don't you have some black Africans to lock up, beat or kill in custody???
Isn't that the usual thing with white South Africans??? You know, what you
did to Steve Biko and co. The world still remembers ... and I've read the
transcripts from Steve Biko's "trial" - "The Testimony of Steve Biko: His
beliefs about Black Consciousness, in his own words recorded at a political
trial" (edited by Millard Arnold; Maurice Temple Smith:1978)
<PLONK!>
Steve Hayes
>"Steve Hayes" <haye...@hotmail.com> wroteth:
>
><snippeth>
>
>As a professional educator, K-12 & adult, who has been a School Principal
>and Training Manager, I find your response utterly ignorant.
Oh, wow.
Such authority!
And as a Doctor in Theology, currently supervising doctoral students in
Misdsiology, I won't say what I find your response.
But as a usenet user for nearly two decades I'll say that I find your response
both spammish and trollish.
>I am NOT a "Rasta" - Rastafarian. I have been a CHRISTIAN since 1972. Do
>you suffer from dyslexia?????
I and I sees no reason to dispute what you say, just wondered about your
nickname.
>What do you think "RESPONSE" means????? I have ONLY chaged headers in
>response to the bullying tactics of Randy Young.
Do you not realise that in many newsreaders putting in a new subject line
starts a new thread?
And when you start a new thread with a new topic, there is no link to any
previous thread, and the topic of the new thread is whatever you put in the
subject line, and most of them have all been about RANDY YOUNG.
Are you posting from GoogleGroups?
That might explain it.
>Don't you have some black Africans to lock up, beat or kill in custody???
>Isn't that the usual thing with white South Africans??? You know, what you
>did to Steve Biko and co. The world still remembers ... and I've read the
>transcripts from Steve Biko's "trial" - "The Testimony of Steve Biko: His
>beliefs about Black Consciousness, in his own words recorded at a political
>trial" (edited by Millard Arnold; Maurice Temple Smith:1978)
Ah well, that removes any doubt -- you are clearly a troll.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
I
> And as a Doctor in Theology
Which Diploma Mill?
>>I am NOT a "Rasta" - Rastafarian. I have been a CHRISTIAN since 1972. Do
>>you suffer from dyslexia?????
>
> I and I sees
Obviously!
>>Don't you have some black Africans to lock up, beat or kill in custody???
>>Isn't that the usual thing with white South Africans??? You know, what
>>you
>>did to Steve Biko and co. The world still remembers ... and I've read the
>>transcripts from Steve Biko's "trial" - "The Testimony of Steve Biko: His
>>beliefs about Black Consciousness, in his own words recorded at a
>>political
>>trial" (edited by Millard Arnold; Maurice Temple Smith:1978)
>
> Ah well
That removes any doubt.
You are clearly a troll.
--
"Ah, brother," said the confessor, "don't you know that whoever calls his
brother Raca is liable to hell fire? Now you have the misfortune to lead
anyone who reads you into immediate temptation to call you Raca. ... "
(Voltaire -The Jesuit Berthia)
<PLONK!>
dolf
(derived by computation) used by Mark Tindall under the name I, the
biblical narrative quoted from Luke 4:16-17 and Isaiah 61:1-3; 6-8 in
reply to one of his erroneous assertions all seems to have a correlation.
This is not the first time where I have observed this extra-ordinary
paranormal sanctification between the persona Mark Tindall is posting
under and the computational categories I have devised.
Today I had a friend come to me and tell me the time they observed in
their dream which they had on my couch--I was able from the same the
mathematical model, tell them something of the character of the dream.
Mark and myself both respond Randy Young with these minor miracles of
text so as to dissuade him from his destructive proof text posting and
assertions of absolutes.
Steve Hayes haye...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
>> aware of in Africa.
>
> I had never heard of this Randy Young before this person you say is called
> Mark Tindall started flooding the newsgroups with messages about him in at
> least ten different threads.
>
> A fairly well-known theologian or biblical scholar might desrve to be named in
> a thread occasionally -- someone of the stature of, say Kark Barth or John
> Calvin or John of Damascus or Martin Luther or John Wesley or Gregory of
> Nasianzus or Stanley Hauerwas or David Bosch or William Laud. But having two
> threads would be pushing it, and three or four would be over the top.
>
> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep pushing this
> Randy Young whom I'f never heard of until about ten separate message threads
> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>
> I know nothing of Randy Young.
>
> I do know that "Mark Tindall" (is he a Rastafarian, calling himself "I"?) is a
> troll and a spammer.
>
> If Randy Young is sufficiently important as a theologian to deserve not one,
> but ten different threads, then please will someone explain his theological
> importance and why we should take notice of him.
>
>
>
>
Subject: Re: UNEMPLOYABLE RANDY YOUNG OCD POSTING - GET A JOB, BUM!!!
From: dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.relig
ion.christian.episcopal,aus.religion.christian,england.religion.christian
PLEASE EXCUSE THE TYPOS
I <me@home000000000000531> wrote:
> "Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip ratbaggery>
>
"So [Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as his
custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up
to read. And he has handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he
had opened the book, he found the place where it was written:" [Luke
4:16-17]
"...A spirit of prophecy before the LORD God is upon me, because the
LORD has exalted me to announce good tidings to the poor; he has sent me
to strengthen the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, to
those who are bound, be revealed to light; to proclaim the year of
pleasure before the LORD, and the day of vengeance before our God; to
comfort all those who mourn; to confuse those who mourn in Zion--to give
them a diadem instead of ashes, oil of joy instead of mourning, a
praising spirit instead of their spirit which is dejected; that they may
call them true princes, the people of the LORD, that he maybe
glorified." [Isaiah 61:1-3]
It seems to me that Jesus read the Bible and claimed to be the norm of
the Bible as recorded in the New Testament.
> #########################################################
> Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He
is the
> norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation
of
> the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text,
are
> decisive and constitutive for us.
>
> - John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and
now,"
> (HarperOne:2007) p. 95
> ########################################################
Nous: #78
Begin
Pater noster, qui es in caelis, Sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum
tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in coelo et in terra.
Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie. Et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in
tentationem: Sed libera nos a malo. Amen.
Start
Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we
forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation:
But deliver us from evil. Amen.
Superman
> Randy � pulpi...@gmail.com wrote in
> Z8GdnZHneK6_nmfX...@giganews.com
>
>> UNEMPLOYED Mark Tindall continues with OCD posting - GET A JOB!!!
>>
> Mark has been haunting ACC for six years while he could have worked.
>
>
>
But who has been eating all the TimTams??!!
>> --
>> Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
>> from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
>> gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
>> not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
>> 1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
>> glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
>> ______________________________________________
>> www.faithguard.org
>> www.twitter.com/faithguard
>> www.facebook.com/faithguard
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>
>
--
rgds,
Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
"It's time we stopped saying that Islamic militants are the problem. Islam is the problem" - media comment
"We stopped the boats coming. The facts speak for themselves. People knew where we stood. We didn't try to be all things to all men. Look, our policy worked. There was no need to alter it" - John Howard
"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
Superman
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
>> aware of in Africa.
>>
> I had never heard of this Randy Young before this person you say is called
> Mark Tindall started flooding the newsgroups with messages about him in at
> least ten different threads.
>
> A fairly well-known theologian or biblical scholar might desrve to be named in
> a thread occasionally -- someone of the stature of, say Kark Barth or John
> Calvin or John of Damascus or Martin Luther or John Wesley or Gregory of
> Nasianzus or Stanley Hauerwas or David Bosch or William Laud. But having two
> threads would be pushing it, and three or four would be over the top.
>
> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep pushing this
> Randy Young whom I'd never heard of until about ten separate message threads
> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>
Because he hates bible believing christians and wants to silence them.
> I know nothing of Randy Young.
>
> I do know that "Mark Tindall" (is he a Rastafarian, calling himself "I"?) is a
> troll and a spammer.
>
> If Randy Young is sufficiently important as a theologian to deserve not one,
> but ten different threads, then please will someone explain his theological
> importance and why we should take notice of him.
>
>
>
--
I
> wants to silence them.
Haven't you got a Liberal Party lynching to attend somewhere?
I
>> How does one have a "personal relationship" with Jesus???
...
>> 1. Read the bible - So reading about Julius Caesar means I have a
>> "personal relationship" with Julius Caesar?
...
> yes, a relationship with God DOES come through faith in God's word *[the
> bible]
So therefore one can have a "personal relationship" with Julius Caesar by
reading Caesar's "Gallic Wars" or Suetonius' "The Life of Julius Caesar"
> you attack the Bible
You luv your widdle bible!
Superman
> "Superman"<"c/- Lois.Lane"@metropolis.com> aka
>
>
>> wants to silence them.
>>
>
> Haven't you got a Liberal Party lynching to attend somewhere?
>
>
>
FOAD CUNT
dolf
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
>>> aware of in Africa.
>>>
>> pushing this
>> Randy Young whom I'd never heard of until about ten separate message
>> threads
>> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>>
>
> Because he hates bible believing christians and wants to silence them.
>
According to ABC's Stateline (NSW) the Labor Party is not the only
political party infected with the disunity virus, even the Christians
are split.
"Our interest is in values ... not in fundamentalist bigotry" said Dr
Gordon Moyes
This week the Reverend Gordon Moyes recently expelled with 12 others
from the Reverend Fred Nile's Christian Democrats, announced he'd head
up the Family First upper house ticket for the 2011 State election.
Doctor Moyes has accused Reverend Fred Nile who has been a fixture in
the upper house since 1981 of bigotry and allowing the CDP to be
infiltrated by extreme right elements who are now running a hate
campaign against Australian Muslims.
There is no doubt that it has been effective in getting people, but it
hasn't been Christian. There was some people led by people expelled from
the Liberal Party for their extremist views who basically took over the
running of the CDP and the CDP moved to the extreme ultra right." said
Moyes.
"Family First [by comparision] is not a Christian Party and it doesn't
seek to get all its votes from Christians. In point of fact it is a
family values, middle of the road party. It is conservative in its
nature and it appeals to people of all cultures and faiths. Not just
Christian but who value familys. Now in this regard I have invited
representatives from the Muslim community, Jewish community, from the
Latter Day Saints. All of whom are known for their strong emphasis on
family values. To actually join on my State council and they have been
responding very positively."
The Reverend Nile whose current upper house term will end in six years
time, rejects Gordon Moyes charge.
"I've never had attitudes of bigotry," responded Reverend Nile.
So whether its Labor, Christian, [or] Liberals ... there is disunity a
plenty. Still, preferrable to a dictatorship isn't it? [(c) 2009 ABC
Stateline NSW 2009.11.13]
Guardian Snow (American Yahwehist): "I am not going to be so arrogant to
think to tell Christians, 'your belief system is wrong' ... Rather, I
say to my Christian brother, 'If your belief system works for you, I am
happy for you but I have no desire to share your understanding, so
instead of arguing with me about what you believe, go put your faith
into practice.'"
(ru) dolf: "Snow, what are we to assume of your own religious belief
when you yourself make a distinction of your religious belief from
Christians?"
Guardian Snow (American Yahwehist): "You should take only that which you
find useful and put it into practice in your own life. If you find I
have no value to you then ignore me as most people do. If you find that
I have the occasional bit of wisdom that inspires you to be a better
person, then use it. The only purpose that I post my messages is to help
my fellow man in his walk of life and if I'm not helping ... what am I
doing? By extension anything that is not helpful should either be
ignored or discarded as hurtful.
My belief is just that... "my belief" and I do not think to command any
man to take on my belief. I only ask that you treat me with the common
respect of a fellow human being that like you has concerns and worries
about other people. If a religious view doesn't help to make people
better than who they were yesterday, it too needs to be discarded in the
ash heap of history alone with dictators and tyrants."
Nous: #10
Time: 15:25 hrs
Date: 2009.11.14
Torah: #20 #30 #10 %81 = #60
Dao: Impossible Advice, What can Be Done?
Tetra: #41 - Response
I-Ching: H30 - Clinging to Brightness
Latin: Assistens {God prompt to grant} Alt: Menqel {Libation Bowl of God} {
1. SERVES TO MAKE KNOWN THE TRUTH. AIDS THE TRIUMPH OF INNOCENCE
2. PROMPT HELP IN TRIALS
3. WITNESSES
4. Tepisatosoa
}
Nahor {Snorting, Hoarse; dry; hot}
MALE IDEA #414
#1, #100, #5, #300, #8, #50 arete (G0703): 1 - a virtuous course of
thought, feeling and action; 1a - virtue, moral goodness; 2 - any
particular moral excellence, as modesty, purity;
FEMALE IDEA #292
#70, #10, #20, #70, #4, #70, #40, #8, #200 oikodome (G3619): 1 - (the
act of) building, building up; 2 - metaph. edifying, edification; 2a -
the act of one who promotes another's growth in Christian wisdom, piety,
happiness, holiness; 3 - a building (ie. the thing built, edifice);
(ru) dolf: "Thank-you that was very informative. And you do have
excellent oratory and teaching skills. The algorithm is still in
development, but what I was interested in looking at is the type of
temporal connections which you make to the paradigm--its speaks well of
you."
Guardian Snow (American Yahwehist): "If I have any gift, it is the
ability to listen and parrot back that which I have learned from those
greater then myself. I stand on the shoulders of my all ancestors that
have raised me up to be the individual that I am, which is no different
or special than any other person with the exception that I do listen.
If anything speaks well of me, it is making a friend like you and the
many other beautiful individuals of Elohim's creation while respectfully
attempting learn what you are trying to demonstrate to me. Is it
possible to simplify this paradigm you are attempting to illustrate to
me? I find your thought patterns too advanced for me to grasp onto and I
apologize for my ignorance but all of these numbers seem abstract to me."
(ru) dolf: I can't simplify the paradigm but basically each portion of
text has a @memeBrain equivalent. These produce categories of
understanding which are progressive (ie. accumulative). Because your
speech is eloquent and fulsome of ideas, these tend to be rather expressive.
For example: You said, "I only ask that you treat me with the common
respect of a fellow human being that like you has concerns and worries
about other people."
.jackNote@zen: 2, row: 6, col: 9, nous: 10 [Date: 2009.11.14, Super:
#414 / #69 - Profound Use, Function of the Mysterious; I-Ching: H34 -
Strength of Greatness; Tetra: 22 - Resistance, Ego: #292 / #10 -
Impossible Advice, What can Be Done?; I-Ching: H30 - Clinging to
Brightness; Tetra: 41 - Response]
@memeBrain [Telos: #9884, Super: #18 - Origin of Ethical Concepts,
Palliation of Vulgarity; I-Ching: H33 - Withdrawal; Tetra: 49 - Flight,
Ego: #2 - Contrast of Terms, Self-Culture; I-Ching: H11 - Peace; Tetra:
16 - Contact]
In this instance they produce categories of understanding which are
common with ideas from the BIBLE referenced by STRONGS number and your
text has a lot of temporal connectivity.
As I said privately when I sent you the corrected analysis--basically it
is possible to determine a person's religious character from the algorithm.
This works on the basis that the forming of speech within the human
experience is tied to a reflexive equilibrium, self preservation and
autonomic function. Basically we speak to save face."
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Randy, Tell everybody why you
don't fight for slavery?"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home525): "C'mon, Randy! Tell us all why you DON'T
fight for biblical slavery to be re-instated. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY
in both the Old and New Testament. WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE
LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S
WORD"?????"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "You're still pretending
to believe in a God called "Yahweh", who has a Son called "Jesus", while
you insist you can't know if anything the Bible says is not an error?"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home525): "I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh
- the Exclusive One God whom Jesus worshipped and whom Jesus told us to
worship .... WHY aren't YOU following JESUS' GREATEST COMMANDMENTS?????"
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist (broadb...@ntlworld.com):
"What's all the trouble here? God approves of slavery and His children
owning them, so what is all the fuss about?"
(ru) dolf: "The whole notion of Torah as the giving of the 10
Commandments was that Israel had sovereignty, in being redeemed and led
out from the house of slavery as the furnace which was the
religious/political system in the land of Egypt. [Exodus 20:2]"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home124): "You can't know for sure what is NOT an
error in the bible."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Based on a source you
insist you can't know what is not an error in? Or are you referring to
some other source that identifies a God called Yahweh, who has a Son
named Jesus? <chuckle>"
In My Father's House (hso...@hotmail.com): "Yes Mark let us know that
he believes in Yahweh years ago. Try to keep up. And yes we do have to
live within the confines of what is. Sure it would be nice if things
were different but they are not. So we do the best we can. However
knowledge dispels faith. If you knew the things you think you know you
would have no faith about them."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "The dolt attacks the
source by which he knows Christ, insists he can't be sure what is not an
error in that source, then claims to trust the same Christ that source
proclaimed to him? Self-evident, self-contradiction!"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Randy, tell us why
Fundamentalist Christians don't stand up for the re-institution of
slavery. It is God commanded, God sanctioned and regulated in the bible!
Please, we're waiting!"
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist (broadb...@ntlworld.com): "I
don't avoid it Jude......{;o;}"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Then tell me if slavery is
inherently immoral or not."
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist (broadb...@ntlworld.com): "No!
it is not immoral, before God, neither is it wrong in God's opinion for
His children to own slaves, and that is the only opinion that matters,
but homosexual fornication is, indeed it is an "Abomination" [ Hateful &
Disgusting ] before Almighty God."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "You're illustrating the
point. You don't believe in a God you heard about from a source you
labor to discredit and undermine every single day. You're frauds."
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Re-read what you just typed
and apply it to yourself. Many of us have answered your questions, some
of which several times. NOW ANSWER ONE QUESTION: Is slavery inherently
immoral?"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Why are you asking that
question? To try and undermine the Bible. You again illustrate the
point. You are a fraud if you claim to believe in a God from a source
you labor to undermine and discredit."
(ru) dolf: "Its actually a misunderstanding of the religious mystery
cults, sacred prostitution and the need to maintain survival of the
autonomic right, given that Judaeo-Christian identity was familiar to
Caesar's household who also embraced the gods of Egypt.
Just as the Christian Gospel was known to the Praetorian Guard, so too
as body guards, they would have been aware of Caesar's homosexual
nepotism: "Now I would have you know, brethren, that the things which
happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the progress of the gospel;
so that my bonds became manifest in Christ throughout the whole
praetorian guard, and to all the rest; and that most of the brethren in
the Lord, being confident through my bonds, are more abundantly bold to
speak the word of God without fear." [Philippians 1:12-14]
To avoid any possibility of nepotism, the Apostle Paul limits his
bestowal of deified prerogative: "I thank God that I baptized none of
you, save Crispus and Gaius; lest any man should say that ye were
baptized into my name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas:
besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not
to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the
cross of Christ should be made void." [1 Corinthians 1:14-17 (ASV)]
The notion advanced is one of compliance given to Roman
Imperial/Religious governance--The Apostle Paul has baptized a prominent
Roman Citizen. And yet the preaching of Christ appeared to some Jews to
be "...contrary-APENANTI to the decrees-DOGMA of Caesar {ie. as Pontifex
Maximus being the anthropocentric manifest of Divinity}, saying-LEGO
that there is another-HETEROS king-BASILEIA, one Jesus-IESOUS {He is
saved; Jehovah is salvation; a deliver}." [Acts 17:7]
Repeating oneself is getting tiresome."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "How do you think daily
persistence in trying to undermine the Bible, somehow fails to advertise
the fact you, Mark, and House are frauds for pretending to believe in or
follow the God of that Bible?"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Thank you for showing how
FundaMENTALists bend over backwards to defend and proclaim to all the
word the truth of the bible, which includes the God-willed and God
sanctified slavery of one person owning others and fathers selling their
daughters into slavery!"
According to the Sydney Morning Herald of 14 November 2009, as Barack
Obama starts his week-long tour of Asia, a Chinese official has said he
should understand China's opposition to Tibetan independence - because
he is a black President who appreciated Abraham Lincoln's (1809-1865 CE)
role in emancipating African Americans.
China insists the Communist Party liberated Tibetans from feudal serfdom
under the Dalai Lama in 1959. The Foreign Ministry spokesman, Qin Gang,
said the issue of slavery should resonate with Mr Obama as a ''black
president''.
''He understands the slavery abolition movement and Lincoln's major
significance for that movement,'' Mr Qin said. His government hoped Mr
Obama would ''grasp China's stance on protecting national sovereignty''.
Pro-Tibetan independence groups condemned the Foreign Ministry for
''failing a history test''. Stephanie Brigden, the director of Free
Tibet, said: ''It is an insult for the unelected and authoritarian
Chinese Government to suggest that an instinctive democrat such as
Abraham Lincoln would have sided with China in seeking to deny the
Tibetan people their fundamental right to determine their own future.
''By � attempting to liken its occupation of Tibet with Lincoln's fight
to abolish slavery while preserving the Union, China has merely
underlined its inability to recognise what true freedom looks like.'' [�
2009 Sydney Morning Herald, MALCOLM MOORE, November 14, 2009]
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home531): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
us. [John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and
now" (HarperOne:2007) p. 95]"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Just admit you are not a
christian, but that you are out to attack and destroy faith in the God
and Christ of the Bible."
dolf
Superman <"c/- Lois.Lane"@metropolis.com> wrote:
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must
certainly be
>>> aware of in Africa.
>>>
>> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep
pushing this
>> Randy Young whom I'd never heard of until about ten separate message
threads
>> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>>
>
> Because he hates bible believing christians and wants to silence them.
>
According to ABC's Stateline (NSW) the Labor Party is not the only
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home531): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
dolf
Superman <"c/- Lois.Lane"@metropolis.com> wrote:
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must
certainly be
>>> aware of in Africa.
>>>
>> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep
pushing this
>> Randy Young whom I'd never heard of until about ten separate message
threads
>> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>>
>
> Because he hates bible believing christians and wants to silence them.
>
According to ABC's Stateline (NSW) the Labor Party is not the only
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home531): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
dolf
is possible to determine a person's religious character from the algorithm.
This works on the basis that the forming of speech within the human
experience is tied to a reflexive equilibrium, self preservation and
autonomic function. Basically we speak to save face: "And Adam said,
"The woman that you have placed with me, she gave me from the tree and I
ate." And the Lord God said to the woman: "What is this you have done?"
And the woman said: "The serpent (ie. Egyptians [Jeremiah 46:20-22];
Wadjet was the daughter of Atum, the first god of the Universe who was
revered as the goddess of childbirth, and protector of children, and in
later years she became the protector of kings; The Going Forth of Wadjet
was celebrated on December 25 with chants and songs. An annual festival
held in the city celebrated Wadjet on April 21. Other important dates
for special worship of her were June 21, the Summer Solstice, and March
14. She also was assigned the fifth hour of the fifth day of the moon
[Wikipedia 2009:Wadjet]) deceived me and I ate."
Nous: #35
Time: 23:35 hrs
Date: 2009.3.14
Torah: #5 #10 #10 %81 = #25
Dao: Great Guiding Signs?, Virtue of Benevolence
Tetra: #19 - Following
I-Ching: H17 - Allegiance
Latin: Magnificus {God master of the Universe} Alt: Ashalyah {Labor on
Errors in God} {
1. CONFOUNDS THE EVIL & GRANTS RELEASE FROM ENEMIES
2. GIVES VICTORY
3. IRON, WEAPONS, SOLDIERS & MILITARY GENIUS
4. Ptibiou
}
#2000 CE
And the Lord God said to the serpent, "...I will put enmity between you
and the woman and between your sons and her sons. And it will come about
that when her sons observe the Law and do the commandments they will aim
at you and smite you on your head and kill you. But when they forsake
the commandments of the Law you will aim and bite him on his heel and
make him ill. For her sons, however, there will be a remedy, but for
you, O serpent, there will not be a remedy, since they are to make
appeasement in the end, in the day of King Messiah." [Aramaic Targum
Neofiti 1: Genesis 3:12-13; 15]
Superman <"c/- Lois.Lane"@metropolis.com> wrote:
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must
certainly be
>>> aware of in Africa.
>>>
>> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep
pushing this
>> Randy Young whom I'd never heard of until about ten separate message
threads
>> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>>
>
> Because he hates bible believing christians and wants to silence them.
>
According to ABC's Stateline (NSW) the Labor Party is not the only
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home531): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
us. [John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and
dolf
is possible to determine a person's religious character from the algorithm.
This works on the basis that the forming of speech within the human
experience is tied to a reflexive equilibrium, self preservation and
autonomic function. Basically we speak to save face: "And Adam said,
"The woman that you have placed with me, she gave me from the tree and I
ate." And the Lord God said to the woman: "What is this you have done?"
And the woman said: "The serpent (ie. Egyptians [Jeremiah 46:20-22];
Wadjet was the daughter of Atum, the first god of the Universe who was
revered as the goddess of childbirth, and protector of children, and in
later years she became the protector of kings; The Going Forth of Wadjet
was celebrated on December 25 with chants and songs. An annual festival
held in the city celebrated Wadjet on April 21. Other important dates
for special worship of her were June 21, the Summer Solstice, and March
14. She also was assigned the fifth hour of the fifth day of the moon
[Wikipedia 2009:Wadjet]) deceived me and I ate."
Nous: #15
Time: 18:15 hrs
Date: 2009.12.25
Torah: #40 #2 #5 %81 = #47
Dao: Mastering Guiding Discourse, Revealers of Virtue
Tetra: #1 - Centre
I-Ching: H61 - Inner Truth
Latin: Solus {Alone; Eternal God} Alt: Lakbel {Journey in the Circuit of
God} {
1. HELPS IN CONSOLATION AND THOSE WHO WISH TO HAVE CHILDREN
2. MORALS
3. RELIGION & PIETY
4. Smat
} Partial Solar Eclipse 25 December 2000
Eliud {God is my praise}
Nous: #31
Time: 02:00 hrs
Date: 2009.4.21
Torah: #10 #200 #400 %81 = #43
Dao: Military Stratagem, Quelling War
Tetra: #51 - Constancy
I-Ching: H32 - Endurance
Latin: Spes {God who punishes the wicked} Alt: Saitel {Roaming of God} {
1. PROTECTS AGAINST UNJUST ATTACKS, CONFOUNDING ONE'S ENEMIES
2. PROPAGATES LIGHT, CIVILISATION & LIBERTY
3. PEACE, JUSTICE, SCIENCES & THE ARTS
4. Hepe
Solar Eclipse 4 December 2002 + 28 years}
Amminadab {My people is liberal}
Nous: #42
Time:
Date: 2009.6.21
Torah: #300 #1 #5 %81 = #63
Dao: Generating Things, Reason's Modifications
Tetra: #52 - Measure
I-Ching: H60 - Restraint
Latin: Salus {God who heals the ill} Alt: Alamyah {Vigor of God} {
1. PROTECTS AGAINST FIRE RUIN & COLLAPSE
2. HEALTH & LONGEVITY
3. PRUDENCE
4. Sithacer
Solar Eclipse 21 June 2001}
Nahshon {That foretells; that conjectures}
Nous: #35
Time: 23:35 hrs
Date: 2009.3.14
Torah: #5 #10 #10 %81 = #25
Dao: Great Guiding Signs?, Virtue of Benevolence
Tetra: #19 - Following
I-Ching: H17 - Allegiance
Latin: Magnificus {God master of the Universe} Alt: Ashalyah {Labor on
Errors in God} {
1. CONFOUNDS THE EVIL & GRANTS RELEASE FROM ENEMIES
2. GIVES VICTORY
3. IRON, WEAPONS, SOLDIERS & MILITARY GENIUS
4. Ptibiou
}
#2000 CE
And the Lord God said to the serpent, "...I will put enmity between you
and the woman and between your sons and her sons. And it will come about
that when her sons observe the Law and do the commandments they will aim
at you and smite you on your head and kill you. But when they forsake
the commandments of the Law you will aim and bite him on his heel and
make him ill. For her sons, however, there will be a remedy, but for
you, O serpent, there will not be a remedy, since they are to make
appeasement in the end, in the day of King Messiah." [Aramaic Targum
Neofiti 1: Genesis 3:12-13; 15]
Superman <"c/- Lois.Lane"@metropolis.com> wrote:
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
>>> fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must
certainly be
>>> aware of in Africa.
>>>
>> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep
pushing this
>> Randy Young whom I'd never heard of until about ten separate message
threads
>> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>>
>
> Because he hates bible believing christians and wants to silence them.
>
According to ABC's Stateline (NSW) the Labor Party is not the only
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home531): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Z2vLm.54775$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>
>> Randy � pulpi...@gmail.com wrote in
>> Z8GdnZHneK6_nmfX...@giganews.com
>>
>>> UNEMPLOYED Mark Tindall continues with OCD posting - GET A JOB!!!
>>>
>> Mark has been haunting ACC for six years while he could have worked.
>>
>>
>>
>
> But who has been eating all the TimTams??!!
Yes, who? It is a shame!
Steve Hayes
Do you think we should all accept Randy Young as our5 personal saviour?
Why do you write so much about him?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa