Repentance...3
Michael Christ
And you can't be truly sorry without being repentant.
You see a repentant person ***chooses another path***.
If you are just sorry, you will be sorry again, and again, and again...
and again...same ol' same ol', over and over and over again, and going
nowhere.
However a repentant person gets.............transform...ed, not keeps
getting transformed, changed; not keeps getting changed, transformed.
The Bible was not inspired by God and written down for men to manipulate the
verses therein to try and justify remaining the same.
Oh no, no, no, no, He died so that the repentant man could be given a new
spirit, a clean heart, a right spirit, be without spot or blemish, purity,
to be made a new creature, and to be perfect as He is perfect.
And praise the Lord, He succeeded, for in Him and in Christ is no darkness
at all.
All that from genuine repentance, amazing!
Michael Christ
monkfish
Wonderful!
How long do you have to be repentant?
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Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote in message
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No offence, but don't you think it is a bit silly question to ask?
How long do you have to flick the switch off to turn it off?
Michael Christ
monkfish
Is that why some saints are repentant till death?
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Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> You see a repentant person ***chooses another path***.
Will this morontheist then choose the path of truth and stop proudly telling
lies for its cult?
Guess.
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The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Michael Christ
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:04:40 +0000, Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> "monkfish" <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote in message
>> news:4b0bf245$0$815$ce5e...@news-radius.ptd.net...
>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:45:16 +0000, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can't begin with God without being sorry.
>>>>
>>>> And you can't be truly sorry without being repentant.
>>>>
>>>> You see a repentant person ***chooses another path***.
>>>>
>>>> If you are just sorry, you will be sorry again, and again, and
>>>> again...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and again...same ol' same ol', over and over and over again, and going
>>>> nowhere.
>>>>
>>>> However a repentant person gets.............transform...ed, not keeps
>>>> getting transformed, changed; not keeps getting changed, transformed.
>>>>
>>>> The Bible was not inspired by God and written down for men to
>>>> manipulate the verses therein to try and justify remaining the same.
>>>>
>>>> Oh no, no, no, no, He died so that the repentant man could be given a
>>>> new spirit, a clean heart, a right spirit, be without spot or blemish,
>>>> purity, to be made a new creature, and to be perfect as He is perfect.
>>>>
>>>> And praise the Lord, He succeeded, for in Him and in Christ is no
>>>> darkness at all.
>>>>
>>>> All that from genuine repentance, amazing!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Monkfish wrote:
>>> Wonderful!
>>> How long do you have to be repentant?
>>
>> No offence, but don't you think it is a bit silly question to ask?
>>
>> How long do you have to flick the switch off to turn it off?
Monkfish wrote:
> Is that why some saints are repentant till death?
And who would they be?
Michael Christ
monkfish
Ever heard of famous preachers
saying they are sinners?
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Michael Christ
If you have something to say, say it, or go and play mind games with the
atheists.
Michael Christ
Ike E 11/23/9
[snip]
> Ever heard of famous preachers
> saying they are sinners?
Unfortunately, only AFTER they got caught.
[snip]
Ike
Michael Christ
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Hahahaha...
I'll have to pay that one.
Michael Christ
>
>
>
monkfish
You need to be repentant till death.
That's what it means to believe in God.
Do you still sin?
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monkfish
monkfish
That's why we believe God is omniscient.
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monkfish
Fred Thomas
If this is so, then God must know everything we do long before we do it. This
means that our whole life must be predetermined and that we act not according to
the free exercise of our wills but according to our predetermined natures. If we
are predetermined to be good we will be good and if we are predetermined to be
evil we will be evil. We will act not according to our will or choice but
according to the way God has already foreseen we will act. Although Christians
will insist that we do have free will, God's omniscience simply makes this
logically impossible. And that people will act only as God determines is
verified in the Bible.
If people are evil it is because God has chosen to make them evil (Rom 1:24-28)
and caused them to disobey him (Rom 11:32). If they do not understand God's
message it is because he has made their minds dull (Rom 11:8) and caused them to
be stubborn (Rom 9:18). God prevents the Gospel from being preached in certain
areas (Act 16:6-7) and he fixes long before it will happen when a person will be
born and when he or she will die (Act 17:26). Those who were going to be saved
were chosen by God before the beginning of time (II Tim 1:9, Eph 1:11). If a
person has faith and is thereby saved, their faith comes from God, not from any
effort on their part (Eph 2:9-10). One may ask "If a person can only do what God
predetermines them to do, how can God hold them responsible for their actions?"
The Bible has an answer for this question.
But one of you will say to me: "If this is so, how can God find fault with
anyone? For who can resist God's will?" But who are you, my friend, to answer
God back? A clay pot does not ask the man who made it: "Why did you make me like
this?" After all, the man who makes the pot has the right to use the clay as he
wishes, and to make two pots from one lump of clay, one for special occasions
and one for ordinary use. And the same is true of what God has done (Rom
9:19-22).
So apparently in Christianity a person's life and destiny are due purely to the
whim of God and as mere humans we have no right to complain about what God has
decided for us. The idea that we are all predetermined is quite consistent with
the idea of an all-knowing God but it makes nonsense of the concept of making an
effort to do good or avoid evil.
We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his
intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are
many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible
for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created
evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and
not Satan created the universe?
> monkfish
monkfish
You misunderstood.
You cannot blame God.
Can you blame nature for everything?
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monkfish
Fred Thomas
Misunderatand what?
> You cannot blame God.
Why not?
> Can you blame nature for everything?
What does nature have to do with blame?
>
> --
> monkfish
monkfish
Exactly!
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monkfish
Fred Thomas
exactly what?
>
> --
> monkfish
Michael Christ
You need to repent of that.
Monkfish wrote:
> That's what it means to believe in God.
To believe in God is to repent until death...bull.
That is the action of an unbeliever.
Monkfish wrote:
> Do you still sin?
I will tell you what I tell the other accusers, my life is hid in the Lord
Jesus, if you want to know the state of my spirit you will have to talk to
Him. It shouldn't be a problem for you.
Michael Christ
Randy ®
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
(9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will
forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
(10) If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a
liar and his word has no place in our lives.
So then, someone who claims to be without sin:
1) is self deceived
2) does not have the truth in him
3) makes God out to be a liar
Michael claiming he is without sin:
On Sat, 11/21/09, at 9:32:54PM,
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Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
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> "1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
> seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
> God."
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned since being saved?
Michael Christ wrote:
> That is exactly what the verse is saying! It cannot be clearer!
> But you in your sin and looking through a glass darkly decides
that the
> verse says something else.Gabriel wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned even once since being
> saved?
How on earth are you supposed to understand that answer being
blind??!!
If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Just what part of this Bible verse do you not understand, Gabriel???
"1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God."
Please tell me. It is not going to do you any good trying to
judge me,
that is not your role.
A person that sins and says they are in Christ is declaring in
spiritual
places that Jesus is a sinner. How can anyone not understand that??
The problem with you and Randy, and God knows who else, is that
you lack
faith.
Michael Christ
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not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
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>What "wrong"?
Michael Christ
monkfish
If that is a done deal,
why do you have to do anything?
Colossians 3:5-17
[quote]
5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature:
sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is
idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.[b] 7You used to
walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must rid
yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and
filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have
taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new
self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
11Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian,
Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
12Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe
yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have
against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all
these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one
body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ
dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all
wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude
in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do
it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father
through him.
[/quote]
Are you already perfect as God is perfect?
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monkfish
Michael Christ
>You need to be repentant till death.
>You need to repent of that.
Monkfish wrote:
>That's what it means to believe in God.
Michael Christ wrote:
>To believe in God is to repent until death...bull.
>That is the action of an unbeliever.
Monkfish wrote:
>Do you still sin?
Michael Christ wrote:
>I will tell you what I tell the other accusers, my life is hid in the
>Lord Jesus, if you want to know the state of my spirit you will have to
>talk to Him. It shouldn't be a problem for you.
Monkfish wrote:
> If that is a done deal,
> why do you have to do anything?
>
> Colossians 3:5-17
> [quote]
> 5Put to death,
Not perpetually 'putting to death'.
Talk to Him.
:-).
Praise the Lord.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>1 John 1:8-10 NIV
> (8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is
> not in us.
> (9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
> our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
> (10) If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his
> word has no place in our lives.
Randy, here is a question:
Is it even possible to not sin?
That is, when tempted, is it even possible to have victory over the
temptation?
Mark Earnest
"monkfish" <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote...
> Are you already perfect as God is perfect?
We can be, but we are normally not allowed to admit to it, as that would
be haughty and boastful.
Me
"Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not
> in us
RANDY YOUNG FAILS QUALITIES REQUIRED TO BE A PASTOR
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1 Tim. 4:12
be an example to all the believers in the way you speak and behave, and in
your love, your faith and your purity.
Ephesians 4:25, 26, 29
25 So from now on, there must be no more lies. Speak the truth to one
another, since we are all parts of one another.
26 Even if you are angry, do not sin: never let the sun set on your
anger
27 or else you will give the devil a foothold.
28 Anyone who was a thief must stop stealing; instead he should exert
himself at some honest job with his own hands so that he may have something
to share with those in need.
29 No foul word should ever cross your lips; let your words be for the
improvement of others, as occasion offers, and do good to your listeners;
30 do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God who has marked you with his
seal, ready for the day when we shall be set free.
31 Any bitterness or bad temper or anger or shouting or abuse must be
far removed from you -- as must every kind of malice.
32 Be generous to one another, sympathetic, forgiving each other as
readily as God forgave you in Christ.
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After high school, my Grandma and some people from our church sent me to
Bible school. ...
After years of thinking I was going to be a pastor or some other kind of
full-time christian worker, it became evident that was not the path God had
for me. I finally came to the conclusion that God wants some Christian
servants to be entirely self-supporting, just as Paul often was. This was
discouraging at first, but later, it occurred to me the freedom one has to
serve God, when he does not depend on a bunch of people for his financial
support. ... There's little I enjoy more than coming into these groups to
guard the faith, for God's glory.
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monkfish
Are you sure you know what it means to be perfect?
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Michael Christ
I do.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
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Ask me.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>1 John 1:8-10 NIV
>> (8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is
>> not in us.
>> (9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
>> our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
>> (10) If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and
>> his word has no place in our lives.
Mark wrote:
> Randy, here is a question:
>
> Is it even possible to not sin?
> That is, when tempted, is it even possible to have victory over the
> temptation?
You're skating on thin ice, buddy. :-).
Randy wants to remain in his sin.
Michael Christ
Randy ®
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
(9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will
forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
(10) If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a
liar and his word has no place in our lives.
So then, someone who claims to be without sin:
Michael Christ
> I admit I still have a sin nature, and still struggle with sin.
You are too blind to judge anyone then.
And you are wasting what time you have doing so.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
I would not be allowed to answer such a question.
Michael Christ
I am. :-).
Michael Christ