An exegesis of Jesus...will be representing this for a while.........
Michael Christ
If Jesus is truly Lord of your life, if He is your true master, if He is the
One you love with all your heart, soul and mind, if He is God of your life,
then how is it that you can sin, let alone be a sinner once you have truly
given your life to Him? Is He the Lord that leads you into and in sin?
John 8:34 (KJV):
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth
sin is a servant of sin. (Two Masters? Is lukewarm the Way??)
Romans 6:22 (KJV):
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your
fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. (Free from sin) (Servant
of God, not sin).
2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV):
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him. (The righteousness of God)
1 John 3:8 (KJV):
He that committeth sin is of the devil;... (Including deliberate and/or
unintentional. Is a person of the devil and of the righteousness of God???).
1 John 5:18 (KJV):
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten
of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (Whosoever is
born of God...sins not).
Romans 6:17-18 (KJV):
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed
from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you? Being then
made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (Made free
from...became, not becoming) (One Master).
1 Peter 4:1 (KJV):
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves
likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath
ceased from sin; (Ceased)
1 John 3:6 (KJV):
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him (To the point and very clear)
1 John 3:9 (KJV):
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (In Him is no darkness at
all).
There is beyond repenting...and repenting...and repenting...and repenting.
There is more.
You have to seek with all your heart. You will find if you do. Do not
accept what the Phariseeanity-ites spew from their mouths. They do not want
to let go of their old nature; they hold on to this world. They seek to bind
you to their lot by burying you in theology, snaring you in a 'forever
learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth' abyss.
My testimony is the victory of Jesus crucified and the power of His
resurrection...victory...that _you_ can have in Him. You can be free, and
free indeed despite what the faithless want you to believe.
You have to give your all though, or you will forever be stuck in that
religious bog hole of constant empty jargon Bible quoting that is divorced
of the actuality of fulfilling the Scriptures in your life. Sure, all have
sinned (except Jesus) but He did NOT die so that you could try and justify
yourself for being a sinner, but to deliver you, to free you from sin
(Romans 8:2). Or else, His death amounts to nothing in your life. There is
no magical fix at the moment of physical death; it is too late then. Now is
the accepted time, now is the day of your salvation, now (2 Corinthians
6:2). Find the Way. Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness
(Jesus). Ask, and it shall be given, seek and you will find, knock and it
will be opened unto you, or off you go and eat pizzas, drink bourbon, and
laugh like fools on the promenade deck of the Titanic.
Michael Christ
PS You need to find out the Lord's will in your daily life.
PPS Again, I say.
'If Jesus is Lord'?
If Jesus is truly Lord of your life, if He is your true master, if He is the
One you love with all your heart, soul and mind, if He is God of your life,
then how is it that you can sin, let alone be a sinner once you have truly
given your life to Him. Is He the Lord that leads you into and in sin?
Well, is He? The question then is, is He Lord in your life??
Thommadura
> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>
No - there is no proof
duke
Yep, he rose from the dead.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Fred Thomas
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Michael Christ wrote:
>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>
>>
>>No - there is no proof
>
> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>
of evidence of both living, none.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>
>>>
>>>No - there is no proof
>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>of evidence of both living, none.
People walked and talked with the historical Jesus. Osiris is still only found
in a book.
Fred Thomas
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No - there is no proof
>
>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>
>>That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>>of evidence of both living, none.
>
> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus. Osiris is still only
> found
> in a book.
>
Thommadura
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>
>>>> No - there is no proof
>
>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>
>> That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>> of evidence of both living, none.
>
> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
Nonsense - that is a story from a book
Osiris is still only found
> in a book.
Same as the christ.
Glad YOU agree they are equal in that regard
Michael Christ
>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
Thommadura wrote:
> No - there is no proof
I said 'If'.
The 'No' is why you are an atheist and not an agnostic. Can you figure that
out genius? An agnostic would have just said 'there is no proof'. But not
the 'No', the 'No' of an atheist.
You don't even know what you are let alone anything else.
Michael Christ
Fred Thomas
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
news:Y0IJm.53313$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
The problem is "genius", in the context you used the word "if" in implies more
that what you imply in this post. The fact you snipped out all but part of one
sentence shows your dishonesty.
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:hd7j4r$46f$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
I didn't snip it, Thommadura did.
You may now apologise if you are an atheist of 'honesty'.
Michael Christ
Fred Thomas
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
> You may now apologise if you are an atheist of 'honesty'.
>
I will do as I please, no apology applied. An apology has nothing to do with
"if" I'm honest or not, same as if I'm atheistic or agnostic. Funny you of all
people would make claims on others honesty.
>
>
> Michael Christ
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
Could be, on the other hand we have a fella living two doors away from us who
thinks he is Joseph Stalin.
Guess he is suffering from the same kind if delusions !
bob young
duke wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >Michael Christ wrote:
> >> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
> >>
> >
> >No - there is no proof
>
> Yep, he rose from the dead.
That is proof certain that you are delusional Dook -
nothing more.
[I must stop opening your exertions,
they have me feeling quite sad]
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
We know what you are Michael
and we know what you think you are as well !
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for
such time as the State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers
to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie,
and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the
State.Σ
[Joseph Goebbels. Propaganda Minister in The Third Reich
under Adolph Hitler. Ably supported by Pope Pius XII from 1938-1945 ]
>
Thommadura
SORRY - you still are wrong
You assume the JESUS - still a MYTH only
And the NO - is the NO PROOF of an agnostic
bob young
duke wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>No - there is no proof
>
> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>
> >That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
> >of evidence of both living, none.
>
> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
There is no proof whatsoever of that
other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
The book that covers his mythical life could not be bought before the year 1100.
Ask a fella in Jerusalem in year 600 "Excuse me sir but where can I buy a bible"
He would likely reply " Buy a W H A T ?"
Prove me wrong with verifiable data - you can't of course
> Osiris is still only found
> in a book.
And so is Jesus, and many of similar ilk
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:pcaef5p1atkedv6t4...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No - there is no proof
>>
>>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>
>>>That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>>>of evidence of both living, none.
>>
>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus. Osiris is still only
>> found
>> in a book.
>>
>Yup same as Jesus, only found in story book. Old myth morphs into new myth.
Nope, Jesus is a historical figure. Always has been. Osiris is just one of
many names is a book of mythology.
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No - there is no proof
>>
>>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>
>>> That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>>> of evidence of both living, none.
>>
>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>Nonsense - that is a story from a book
The man Jesus is historical.
duke
>
>
>duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>No - there is no proof
>>
>> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>
>> >That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>> >of evidence of both living, none.
>>
>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>
>There is no proof whatsoever of that
>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
witnesses are dead too.
>The book that covers his mythical life could not be bought before the year 1100.
I don't know what 1100 signifies, but it has nothing to do with Christianity
that I know of.
>Ask a fella in Jerusalem in year 600 "Excuse me sir but where can I buy a bible"
>He would likely reply " Buy a W H A T ?"
Actually, in year 600, the book published was 500 years old and 300 years as
established as canon.
Now maybe the local editor of the Jerusalem Rag didn't know it, but it was
there.
>Prove me wrong with verifiable data - you can't of course
Gotcha.
duke
>
>
>duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Michael Christ wrote:
>> >> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>> >>
>> >
>> >No - there is no proof
>>
>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>
>That is proof certain that you are delusional Dook -
>nothing more.
Nothing more shows how weak your case is, dufus.
Thommadura
Sorry - but there is no mention of the christ in any document we have
that can be dated for his supposed time of before.
Osiris and Isis - on the other hand - were really the origin of the
rulers of egypt - and are NOT considered mythical in that regard.
Thommadura
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:29:08 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No - there is no proof
>>>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>>> That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>>>> of evidence of both living, none.
>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>
>> Nonsense - that is a story from a book
>
> The man Jesus is historical.
Still a claim unsupported by an proof from you
Thommadura
We note no verifiable data presented BY you again
>
Sorry - but a bible canon was not approved until 383 CE - but the book
was NOT publically available - only to churches. That is because the
actual printing of the bible was not allowed to outside printers until
after the 1598 printing of the Vulgate during the reign of Pope Clement.
While others exist - they were not sanctioned by the church. THe most
famous of those is the Gutenbrug Mazarin edition of 1455 - and WELL
AFTER your claim.
Over the middle ages - the bibles were produced primarily in monestaries
- by hand. THe expense of these bibles was immense - and certainly NOT
available to any but the richest people - if at all.
Fred Thomas
Exactly Jesus, Osiris just a few of MANY god myths found in myth books.
Fred Thomas
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:29:08 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No - there is no proof
>>>
>>>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>>
>>>> That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same
>>>> level
>>>> of evidence of both living, none.
>>>
>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>
>>Nonsense - that is a story from a book
>
> The man Jesus is historical.
>
Fred Thomas
> On 10 Nov 2009 04:15:01 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>Michael Christ wrote:
>>> >>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>No - there is no proof
>>>
>>> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>>
>>> >That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same
>>> >level
>>> >of evidence of both living, none.
>>>
>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>>
>>There is no proof whatsoever of that
>>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>
> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
> witnesses are dead too.
>
bob young
Thommadura wrote:
> duke wrote:
> > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:29:08 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >> duke wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> No - there is no proof
> >>>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
> >>>> That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
> >>>> of evidence of both living, none.
> >>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
> >
> >> Nonsense - that is a story from a book
> >
> > The man Jesus is historical.
>
> Still a claim unsupported by an proof from you
I think he meant 'hysterical' Thom
bob young
duke wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2009 04:15:01 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >duke wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Michael Christ wrote:
> >> >>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>No - there is no proof
> >>
> >> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
> >>
> >> >That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
> >> >of evidence of both living, none.
> >>
> >> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
> >
> >There is no proof whatsoever of that
> >other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>
> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
> witnesses are dead too.
You really shouldn't be here showing the world how crassly stupid you are
The year 1100 is a very generous estimate of when the first ever bible was
available. If you have data that challenges that [verifiable] please go ahead,
failing that stop making a fool of yourself
>
>
> >The book that covers his mythical life could not be bought before the year 1100.
>
> I don't know what 1100 signifies, but it has nothing to do with Christianity
> that I know of.
See above
>
>
> >Ask a fella in Jerusalem in year 600 "Excuse me sir but where can I buy a bible"
> >He would likely reply " Buy a W H A T ?"
>
> Actually, in year 600, the book published was 500 years old and 300 years as
> established as canon.
Prove it
>
>
> Now maybe the local editor of the Jerusalem Rag didn't know it, but it was
> there.
>
> >Prove me wrong with verifiable data - you can't of course
>
> Gotcha.
'Gotcha' ! Is that all you can manage in response to a request for proof.
You really do appear to be on a slippery slope downhill Dook
>
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>
Mass is a perfect example of mass hysteria in action. A vain pathetic attempt to
underpin a myth ingrained from the cradle.
Religion is for the weak and insecure
bob young
duke wrote:
> On 9 Nov 2009 04:32:01 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >duke wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Michael Christ wrote:
> >> >> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >No - there is no proof
> >>
> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
> >
> >That is proof certain that you are delusional Dook -
> >nothing more.
>
> Nothing more shows how weak your case is, dufus.
You have no proof of The Resurrection
so the weak case is YOURS
But you already knew that.
Thommadura
Excellant!!!!
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:53:51 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:pcaef5p1atkedv6t4...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:12:49 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jnldf5h4l7b4op6h1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No - there is no proof
>>>>>> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>>>>> That would mean Osiris is real and not a myth, because there is the same level
>>>>> of evidence of both living, none.
>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus. Osiris is still only
>>>> found
>>>> in a book.
>>>>
>>> Yup same as Jesus, only found in story book. Old myth morphs into new myth.
>>
>> Nope, Jesus is a historical figure. Always has been. Osiris is just one of
>> many names is a book of mythology.
>Sorry - but there is no mention of the christ in any document we have
>that can be dated for his supposed time of before.
You're not looking very hard.
>Osiris and Isis - on the other hand - were really the origin of the
>rulers of egypt - and are NOT considered mythical in that regard.
They come from a mythology story book.
duke
Oh, you clowns that have no truth to offer are getting boring.
duke
>> Actually, in year 600, the book published was 500 years old and 300 years as
>> established as canon.
>> Now maybe the local editor of the Jerusalem Rag didn't know it, but it was
>> there.
>We note no verifiable data presented BY you again
Sure you can verify those dates.
>Sorry - but a bible canon was not approved until 383 CE - but the book
>was NOT publically available - only to churches.
People couldn't read anyway.
> That is because the
>actual printing of the bible was not allowed to outside printers until
>after the 1598 printing of the Vulgate during the reign of Pope Clement.
Which is roughly the date of the invention of the printing press.
>While others exist - they were not sanctioned by the church. THe most
>famous of those is the Gutenbrug Mazarin edition of 1455 - and WELL
>AFTER your claim.
There you go - not sanctioned.
>Over the middle ages - the bibles were produced primarily in monestaries
>- by hand. THe expense of these bibles was immense - and certainly NOT
>available to any but the richest people - if at all.
You sure are doing a good job of making my case.
duke
>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>
>>>There is no proof whatsoever of that
>>>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
>> witnesses are dead too.
>Present it then.
You got it now.
duke
>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
>> witnesses are dead too.
>You really shouldn't be here showing the world how crassly stupid you are
>The year 1100 is a very generous estimate of when the first ever bible was
>available. If you have data that challenges that [verifiable] please go ahead,
>failing that stop making a fool of yourself
In other words, you showed your ass.
>> >The book that covers his mythical life could not be bought before the year 1100.
>> I don't know what 1100 signifies, but it has nothing to do with Christianity
>> that I know of.
>See above
I see your ass above.
The Dukester, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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duke
>
>
>duke wrote:
>
>> On 9 Nov 2009 04:32:01 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >duke wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Michael Christ wrote:
>> >> >> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >No - there is no proof
>> >>
>> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>> >
>> >That is proof certain that you are delusional Dook -
>> >nothing more.
>>
>> Nothing more shows how weak your case is, dufus.
>
>You have no proof of The Resurrection
We do about 12 hours later.
Fred Thomas
Show your evidence, other wise I'll take the statment as your normal dodge.
Fred Thomas
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:53:48 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>>
>>>>There is no proof whatsoever of that
>>>>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>
>>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
>>> witnesses are dead too.
>
>>Present it then.
>
> You got it now.
>
Michael Christ
Duke wrote:
> Oh, you clowns that have no truth to offer are getting boring.
They go 'round in circles all the day long, trying to convince themselves
there is no God. You'd think after a couple of years the penny would drop.
All they do is waste their time and in the process waste yours in the
process.
Michael Christ
bob young
duke wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2009 22:57:03 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >duke wrote:
> >
> >> On 9 Nov 2009 04:32:01 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >duke wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Michael Christ wrote:
> >> >> >> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No - there is no proof
> >> >>
> >> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
> >> >
> >> >That is proof certain that you are delusional Dook -
> >> >nothing more.
> >>
> >> Nothing more shows how weak your case is, dufus.
> >
> >You have no proof of The Resurrection
>
> We do about 12 hours later.
When a man gets this exhausted
we know he is almost on the canvas
Thommadura
>
> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:obdlf5lg2r457h4ci...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:53:48 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>>>
>>>>> There is no proof whatsoever of that
>>>>> other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>>
>>>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution.
>>>> All those
>>>> witnesses are dead too.
>>
>>> Present it then.
>>
>> You got it now.
>>
> Oh sure, that's good, you really impressed me! You got nothing.
>
>
Duke is NOTHING but a LIAR
He has claimed over the years - that a court only requires Evidence -
and he has LOTS of it
But he has NEVER mentioned a single piece of evidence that points ONLY
to his god and belief. Actually - he has never presented ANYTHING at all
Even a court would require you to actually present the evidence
And if YOU claim in court that you have evidence - and then do not
present any - you will be held in contempt - or held for perjury
duke
Do a little review of osiris and you'll find he was a mythical figure written
about by a man from around 800 BC. The Messiah is prefigured throughout the OT,
and precedes the fable about osiris by about 3200 years. And that doesn't
address that Jesus was around some 13.7 billion years ago.
duke
wrote:
>Duke wrote:
>> Oh, you clowns that have no truth to offer are getting boring.
>They go 'round in circles all the day long, trying to convince themselves
>there is no God. You'd think after a couple of years the penny would drop.
>All they do is waste their time and in the process waste yours in the
>process.
Yeah, no doubt about that.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:obdlf5lg2r457h4ci...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:53:48 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>>>
>>>>>There is no proof whatsoever of that
>>>>>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>>
>>>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
>>>> witnesses are dead too.
>>
>>>Present it then.
>>
>> You got it now.
>>
>Oh sure, that's good, you really impressed me! You got nothing.
And now you know why you have nothing to add to the discussion.
duke
>
>
>duke wrote:
>
>> On 10 Nov 2009 22:57:03 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >duke wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 9 Nov 2009 04:32:01 -0600, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >duke wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:04:18 -0500, Thommadura <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Michael Christ wrote:
>> >> >> >> 'If Jesus is Lord'?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >No - there is no proof
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yep, he rose from the dead.
>> >> >
>> >> >That is proof certain that you are delusional Dook -
>> >> >nothing more.
>> >>
>> >> Nothing more shows how weak your case is, dufus.
>> >
>> >You have no proof of The Resurrection
>> We do about 12 hours later.
>When a man gets this exhausted
>we know he is almost on the canvas
Everybody was resting during the 12 hours.
ThomM
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:25:26 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >news:obdlf5lg2r457h4ci...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:53:48 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <f...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>
> >>>>>There is no proof whatsoever of that
> >>>>>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>
> >>>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
> >>>> witnesses are dead too.
>
> >>>Present it then.
>
> >> You got it now.
>
> >Oh sure, that's good, you really impressed me! You got nothing.
>
> And now you know why you have nothing to add to the discussion.
Obviously because NONE of it is real - thank you for your agreement
again
ThomM
> On 10 Nov 2009 22:54:06 -0600, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All those
> >> witnesses are dead too.
> >You really shouldn't be here showing the world how crassly stupid you are
> >The year 1100 is a very generous estimate of when the first ever bible was
> >available. If you have data that challenges that [verifiable] please go ahead,
> >failing that stop making a fool of yourself
>
> In other words, you showed your ass.
>
> >> >The book that covers his mythical life could not be bought before the year 1100.
> >> I don't know what 1100 signifies, but it has nothing to do with Christianity
> >> that I know of.
> >See above
>
> I see your ass above.
>
Indeed - YOUR post is right above this one too!
At least YOU admit it about yourself
Thommadura
YOUR date of Osiris is WRONG - ISIS and OSIRIS - are the parents of
Horus - who originated the Egyptian Pharaoh dynasties - which can be
dated to before the 4004 BCE creation of the universe false claim of
your god.
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THe messiah as prefigured in the bible NEVER CAME - the christ DID not
fulfill those prophecies - and therefore was NOT the messiah as foretold
in the OT. The following things would have had to be done by the messiah
- and NEVER happened to date.
Among the most basic missions that the Messiah will accomplish during
his lifetime (Isaiah 42:4) are to:
* Oversee the rebuilding of Jerusalem, including the Third Temple,
in the event that it has not yet been rebuilt (Michah 4:1 and Ezekiel 40-45)
* Gather the Jewish people from all over the world and bring them
home to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 11:12; 27:12-13)
* Influence every individual of every nation to abandon and be
ashamed of their former beliefs (or non-beliefs) and acknowledge and
serve only the One True God of Israel (Isaiah 11:9-10; 40:5 and
Zephaniah 3:9)
* Bring about global peace throughout the world (Isaiah 2:4; 11:5-9
and Michah 4:3-4).
There are over a dozen additional prophecies which the Messiah will also
achieve (there is no mention of any �second coming� in the Tanach or the
New Testament). In order to avoid identifying the wrong individual as
Messiah, the Code of Jewish Law dictates criteria for establishing the
Messiah's identity (Mishnah Torah Kings 11:4):
"If a king arises from the House of David who meditates on the
Torah, occupies himself with the commandments as did his ancestor King
David, observes the commandments of the Written and Oral Law, prevails
upon all Israel to walk in the way of the Torah and to follow its
direction, and fights the wars of God, it may be assumed that he is the
Messiah.
If he does these things and is fully successful, rebuilds the
Third Temple on its location, and gathers the exiled Jews, he is beyond
doubt the Messiah. But if he is not fully successful, or if he is
killed, he is not the Messiah."
------
Since the timeline in the bible clearly established creation as being in
4004 bce - your claim of billions of years is simply NOT true - there
is NOTHING established to live before that time.
Fred Thomas
Fred Thomas
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:25:26 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:obdlf5lg2r457h4ci...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:53:48 -0500, "Fred Thomas" <fr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> People walked and talked with the historical Jesus.
>>>>
>>>>>>There is no proof whatsoever of that
>>>>>>other than verbal handmedowns between superstitious primitives.
>>>
>>>>> Yes there is. Just like the evidence of the American Revolution. All
>>>>> those
>>>>> witnesses are dead too.
>>>
>>>>Present it then.
>>>
>>> You got it now.
>>>
>>Oh sure, that's good, you really impressed me! You got nothing.
>
> And now you know why you have nothing to add to the discussion.
>
Still nothing. Not even a hint of evidence.
bob young
duke wrote:
Help us - we are more than willing to learn
If you fail we will also be mre than willing to assume that you cannot.
bob young
duke wrote:
Offered 'Truths' to relieve the boredom:
Planet earth has thousands of gods - all man made
Hindus do not have visions of Jesus Christ
Christians do not have visions of the god Ganesh
A thread of commonalties runs through all of man's religions such as death and
sin.
Men are constantly speaking on behalf of gods, whilst the same gods never speak at
all
Children are brainwashed into following their parents religion
Dook wears blinders, rather overlarge ones.
duke
No, you're not.
duke
Only one historical one that actually walked this earth.
bob young
duke wrote:
Any one who thinks that only his god is real
whilst all the others are imaginary
is headed straight for the nut house.