Re: True Worship

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 20, 4:27 pm, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 3:17 PM, Mr. R. Knapp wrote:>
> >>>> I said "the beast Calvin," as he was the epitome of antichristianity.
>

> >>> Thanks, you said and prove in the context of the matter that he Calvin
> >>> is "the beast Calvin"...
>
> >> What an illiterate idiot.

Yes we know you are but did not want to call you a idiot, then you
should know.

> > No it was not idiot!

You really need to stop addressing yourself here.

> The false prophet is called "a beast," too, moron, and that IN THE VERY
> SAME BOOK.

So now you see Calvan in the SAME BOOK well we that have wisdom know
that he is not in the BIBLE the only BOOK that matters. Then you are
now applying that idiot name to yourself here again, then that is what
a idiot would do anyway.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 22, 7:51 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 8:05 PM, Mr. R. Knapp wrote...
>
> ...nothing of any significance, as usual.

Sounds like the Devil himself, he did not like the WORD of God that is
Jesus either. Then to drop down into HELL as it sees is the only
significance place, that is your home and so nothing is as usual in
your life. I only posted you as I feel so sorry for your pitiful
state of mind.

R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 22, 9:04 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:49:51 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
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> >On Sep 20, 4:16 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> I myself use God's words.  Jesus overcame death.  He ascended to the Father
> >> >> after his resurrection.  Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> I gave that answer on Aug 24.
>
> It's about time you understood you were a month late and a dollar short.

Sorry I always ahead and I can not remember when I was even a hundred
dollars short. The ATM at the bank keeps me away from ever being a
dollar short. I been away from the USA for so long, if that was a
insult or a blessings, it is not in plain English so don't feel back
if it want over your head like [something] not even sure what it ended
with.

But thanks for trying.

Dr. R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 21, 12:01 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> wrote:
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> >On Sep 20, 5:16 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
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> >> >On Aug 24, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> I myself use God's words.  Jesus overcame death.  He ascended to the Father
> >> >> after his resurrection.  Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> I gave that answer on Aug 24.
>

> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you.  That is
> >pitiful.
>
> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24.  That was a month ago.  Are you just
> waking up?
>
> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor.  You really need to ask for your money back from the
> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name
> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get
> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> You didn't foolishly give me the money.  You actually thought you were learning
> to be a pastor.  Not to be,

No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
Hospital, we would be back in China, HongKong in October 2012 next
month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
a total commitment.

Rev. R Knapp
WWW.pioneers-for-Jesus.org

[duke]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 21, 12:01嚙緘m, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:

>> >On Sep 20, 5:16嚙緘m, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>

>> >> >On Aug 24, 12:27嚙緘m, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
>> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
>> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
>> >> >> >seem.
>>

>> >> >> I myself use God's words. 嚙皚esus overcame death. 嚙瘡e ascended to the Father
>> >> >> after his resurrection. 嚙盤az had to die again.

>>
>> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>>
>> >> I gave that answer on Aug 24.
>>
>> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again

>> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. 嚙確hat is
>> >pitiful.
>>
>> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. 嚙確hat was a month ago. 嚙璀re you just
>> waking up?
>>
>> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. 嚙磐ou really need to ask for your money back from the

>> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
>> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name
>> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get
>> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>>

>> You didn't foolishly give me the money. 嚙磐ou actually thought you were learning
>> to be a pastor. 嚙瞇ot to be,

>No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
>did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
>Hospital, we would be back in China, HongKong in October 2012 next
>month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
>Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
>a total commitment.

I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.

>Rev. R Knapp
>WWW.pioneers-for-Jesus.org

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[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 22, 7:51 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 8:05 PM, Mr. R. Knapp wrote...
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> ...nothing of any significance, as usual.
>

As usual.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 22, 7:54 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/21/2012 8:41 PM, Mr. R. Knapp wrote:> [snip the no reply reply]
>
> [snip the no reply reply that demonstrates that the moron doesn't even
> think about the stupid things he says before he says them]

> [snip another no reply reply, put up to hide the cultist's embarrASSment]
> >
> And then the cultist couldn't even write a comprehendable reply.

Since you are that cultist, nothing will be understandable from you.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 22, 7:55 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 8:48 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> [yawn and snip yet another no reply reply]

Just like you do.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> wrote:

> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >seem.
>

> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.

>
> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>

> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again

> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the

> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.


> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name
> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get
> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>

> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,

> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the

> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next

> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >a total commitment.
>
> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.

Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
others what to do. Is kind of foolish.

> >Rev. R Knapp
> >WWW.pioneers-for-Jesus.org

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 23, 7:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> wrote:
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> >On Sep 21, 12:01 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:22:10 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:

> >> >On Sep 20, 5:16 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>

> >> >> >On Aug 24, 12:27 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >seem.
>

> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.

>
> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> >> I gave that answer on Aug 24.
>
> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again

> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the

> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name
> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get
> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>

> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,

> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >Hospital, we would be back in China, HongKong in October 2012 next
> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >a total commitment.
>
> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you

I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
Christ. Building Chapels and churches teaching Pastors and teachers,
so the native that in may places never heard the name of Jesus.I spent
that time helping to feed the poor, and sick so they may have a longer
life. We had no running water, no electric no stores with in a two
hour jeep ride. We raised two young children keeping from the snakes
that could eat them or one bite they be dead in a few minutes. After
my wife got sick and could of died so we went back to the USA and back
I went back for my Theology degree which at that time was accepted by
the State of Texas, to issue accepted. Where if we were in the USA
living it like you did with all the blessings of being a American. We
had to pray for out meals and support so our children could eat, but
we taught the Bible and when we left 19 years later. Many chapels and
churches were built and a Bible seminary in Malaybalay, Bukidon the
Philippines. In the beginning the pastors we trained gave up their
time to preach Jesus and help poor people get work and how to read
their own language. Thousands were Baptized in the name of Jesus as
St. Peter said to do it, in Acts 2:38 which by you own statements
Peter was your Pope and His Chair is what you church claims its
authority.

>
> >Rev. R Knapp
> >WWW.pioneers-for-Jesus.org
>

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 21, 6:56 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 4:36 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> >>> The Bible proves your teachings are NOT from the Bible.
>
> >> My teachings come STRAIGHT FROM the Bible, you moron; that they prove
> >> you're a liar and fraud is your problem.
>
> > You say that only when you try to show it is from the bible.It is not!

> I substantiate everything I say from the Word; you don't even ATTEMPT to.

Since your teachings are false, I would not even try to attempt to
make them from the Bible WORD. All can see you want to use your "word"
but that is all in errors.

>
> >>> What you call Scripture is not from the bible, it is from you mind
> >>> and your mind is not from God.

May God forgive you for all you curses and foul and vulgar language,
as I would think if you would dare talk like that in person, you had
better make sure you have medical insurance paid up. You can hide
behind the open Internet, but be careful someone does not make you
"eat your words".

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 20, 4:22 pm, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 3:26 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> > > Your insults and false information...
>
> As usual, no rebuttal to the facts from the fraud.

You are too ignorant to understand the facts, then like the fraud and
moron you like to use for your name it is understandable.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 20, 4:27 pm, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/19/2012 3:31 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> > On Sep 19, 4:23 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

Come back Ike when you you're ready to deal with facts, fool.

[duke]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

I learned from the best - the RCC. You learned from some much lesser teachers.

[duke]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you

>I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
>years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
>Christ.

Teaching is not the same as being taught. You spent 3 years learning that an
average priest spends 8 years and some 12 years.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking. Then some of
my teachers were Roman Catholic Priest as well as the best God fearing
men and woman of God. With degrees from some of the Best Univerites in
the USA.

[eickman3]

It's no wonder you never went to a real school...

...you would have flunked out in the first semester.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/23/2012 5:18 AM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

> No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today...

No, you became a cult tool then.

[snippeth]

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/23/2012 6:19 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

> Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> others what to do.

LOL

This from the guy who went to Joe's Transmission shop, B-B-Q Chicken
Hut, and Bible School.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/23/2012 9:25 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

[snippeth]

> I hope they do get such a education as my College years...

LOL

Folks, this guy has never BEEN to college. The State of Texas certified
his "college" as a scam a few years after it started.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/24/2012 3:05 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 21, 6:56 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/19/2012 4:36 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Bible proves your teachings are NOT from the Bible.
>>
>>>> My teachings come STRAIGHT FROM the Bible, you moron; that they prove
>>>> you're a liar and fraud is your problem.
>>
>>> You say that only when you try to show it is from the bible.It is not!
>
>> I substantiate everything I say from the Word; you don't even ATTEMPT to.
>

> Since your teachings are false...

Notice how all Satan here does is argue by ASSERTION that what I say is
false; but God forbid he should have to PROVE that any of it is false
using actual scriptural and historical facts.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/24/2012 3:43 PM, duke wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you
>
>> I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
>> years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
>> Christ.
>
> Teaching is not the same as being taught. You spent 3 years learning that an
> average priest spends 8 years and some 12 years.

He didn't even do that.

Ike

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 25, 11:53 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/24/2012 3:43 PM, duke wrote:
>

> > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you
>
> >> I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
> >> years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
> >> Christ.
>
> > Teaching is not the same as being taught.  You spent 3 years learning that an
> > average priest spends 8 years and some 12 years.

The first 3 years was only the starting of Biblical learning. I
started college in 1960 to 1964 for a diploma in Bible and ministry.
Then 6 years in the Missions learning and training as well as church
building In 1970 received my first degree B.Th in Theology Then in
my last degree 1979 recieved the Doctor of Divinity. That is a lot
more then any priest spent that you pointed to here. I respect the
Catholic Preisthood and they do mine also. We as ministers get along
well and will work to help each other. Since you never been a
minister or preist full time with churches under our care, you
understand nothing.

> He didn't even do that.

Now I,ve been full time in the ministry. I am License and ordain
Minister since 1963 untill now. As well as the founder of a non-
profit church orgaization. Which is approved in the State of Texas.
As well by the US Goverment with license to do all areas of Church and
ministries. That is just facts.

Dr. R Knapp
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org


>
> Ike

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 25, 11:46 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/22/2012 3:56 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> >>>> What an illiterate idiot.
>
> > Yes we know you are but did not want to call you a idiot, then you
> > should know.
>
> >>> No it was not idiot!
>
> > You really need to stop addressing yourself here.
>
> >> The false prophet is called "a beast," too, moron, and that IN THE VERY
> >> SAME BOOK.
>

> > So now you see Calvin in the SAME BOOK well we that have wisdom know

> > that he is not in the BIBLE the only BOOK that matters.  Then you are
> > now applying that idiot name to yourself here again, then that is what
> > a idiot would do anyway.
>
> It's no wonder you never went to a real school...

It seems you really never did go to a real school so have no idea what
is real or false, we all know you lie here, so with that in mind your
words are just full of false statements like that above.

> ...you would have flunked out in the first semester.

As would you or anyone when you go to a fake school or not a real
school there is no first semester or any thing real at all. The more
you write lke the more you only dig your hole deeper to the point you
can not get out of it. You prove how limited your education is and
your lack of morals with, by the way you use your foul mouth and
such........

[Dr. R. Knapp]

Thank you lke, as this is so simple to show the readers you can not
tell the truth on anything, so reader here is the links to that
"college" and its history, since 1944 till now.

International Bible Center www.ibctx.org
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Founded in 1944 as International Bible College, a San Antonio Texas
Bible College and International BIble Church started in the late 90's.

International Bible Church - Contact Us - International Bible College
(IBC) - About Us International Bible College - Wikipedia, the free
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Enjoy readers and if your looking for a good place to go, check it out
when in San Antonio Texas.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

That is strange indeed, he made up his own teachings and even states
no scholar or historian agrees with him. So the facts are the Bible
itself, and the Bible is the PROVEN facts that shows his three
Pentecost, and three this and that, which by the way he tried to say
is a type of the Trinity and then calls three this or that as facts,
all made up in his head. I do not do this by ASSERTION it is done by
the Bible itself. Which he has shown he does not want to see, or
hear. If you try to show him the historical facts and such, he will
not accept them and start calling you or anyone as he likes to do, a
moron. When the word applies to his actions here and if that does not
stop you he gets his BILL.... out and insults that animal also. His
foul mouth and terms are not what a Christian uses or that God would
accept as "Holy" or decent. He wants you to by his book so you can
learn about this cultist teachings. Another term he likes to use to
keep you or anyone from taking the time to answer his post.

Dr. R Knapp

>
> Ike

[duke]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:49:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD. You founded one, didn't you.

> Then some of
>my teachers were Roman Catholic Priest as well as the best God fearing
>men and woman of God. With degrees from some of the Best Univerites in
>the USA.

You didn't learn then, did you?

[Terry Cross]

The principle of Sola Scriptura is the doctrine that the Bible
contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness. That is
sola scriptura, Ike-man, not sola schoola.

If you need someone to hoist you into the chair, tuck in your bib, and
spoon-feed the lessons to you, that is your problem. The literate can
read for themselves.

TCross

[Dr. R. Knapp]

Just because you did, does not mean others followed your poor flunked
out education.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 25, 4:03 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:49:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
l> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,

>
> >> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> >> >> >month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >> >> >Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >> >> >a total commitment.
>
> >> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> >> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> >> >others what to do. Is kind of foolish.
>
> >> I learned from the best - the RCC. You learned from some much lesser teachers.
>
> >The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking.
>
> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.

No it was not! There was no church in any place except maybe
Jerusalem. Peter did not founder a church in Rome. In 33AD Peter was
lying about knowing Jesus and deny Jesus 3 times, Jesus forgave him.
The RCC did not begin till many years later. I founded many churches
and a few Bible Schools. As well as trained many Pastors and ministers
over the last 50+ years. All in the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and
as the churches of GOD under the authority that Jesus gave all his
Apostles and believers to do.

> > Then some of
> >my teachers were Roman Catholic Priest as well as the best God fearing
> >men and woman of God. With degrees from some of the Best Univerites in
> >the USA.
>

I hope the readers will pray for you Duke, you seem so confused and
lost with out the truth that only Jesus Christ can give by the power
of the Holy Spirit.

[duke]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 25, 4:03 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:49:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>l> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>>
>> >> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
>> >> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
>> >> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
>> >> >> >month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
>> >> >> >Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
>> >> >> >a total commitment.
>>
>> >> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>>
>> >> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
>> >> >others what to do. Is kind of foolish.
>>
>> >> I learned from the best - the RCC. You learned from some much lesser teachers.
>>
>> >The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking.
>>
>> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.

>No it was not! There was no church in any place except maybe
>Jerusalem. Peter did not founder a church in Rome.

That's right. Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD. Gosh,
you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.

> In 33AD Peter was
>lying about knowing Jesus and deny Jesus 3 times, Jesus forgave him.
>The RCC did not begin till many years later.

Technically, the birth of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus occurred on
Pentecost Sunday with the descent of the Holy Spirit. Jesus was gone, the Holy
Spirit was with us to guide and lead us thru the Fatherhood of the Papacy. And
is still doing so today with Pople Benedict, the 266th Pope. And Jesus said his
Church this way would never fail.

> I founded many churches
>and a few Bible Schools.

But Jesus founded HIS Church.

> As well as trained many Pastors and ministers
>over the last 50+ years. All in the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and
>as the churches of GOD under the authority that Jesus gave all his
>Apostles and believers to do.
>
>> > Then some of
>> >my teachers were Roman Catholic Priest as well as the best God fearing
>> >men and woman of God. With degrees from some of the Best Univerites in
>> >the USA.

>I hope the readers will pray for you Duke, you seem so confused and
>lost with out the truth that only Jesus Christ can give by the power
>of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit leads us into all understanding. You don't pay attention.

[duke]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:53:03 -0400, eickman3 <hermanei...@gmail.com>
wrote:

He didn't do 3?? I'm not surprised. He is pretty weak.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 26, 2:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.

> >No it was not!  There was no church in any place except maybe
> >Jerusalem.  Peter did not founder a church in Rome.
>
> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.

You have no idea what you just said. "I am right" showing you are
wrong. There was no Catholic Church in 33 AD then it is not English
that is the problem, it is YOU.

> >The RCC did not begin till many years later.
>
> Technically, the birth of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus occurred on
> Pentecost Sunday with the descent of the Holy Spirit.  Jesus was gone, the Holy
> Spirit was with us to guide and lead us thru the Fatherhood of the Papacy.  And
> is still doing so today with Pople Benedict, the 266th Pope.  And Jesus said his
> Church this way would never fail.

Who's Technically? Just because you said it? I think not. On the
day of Pentecost as seen in the the Bible Acts chapters 1 and 2 there
was no Catholic and surely not a RCC. There was no such thing as a
Papacy and or the "Fatherhood" God is ONE and only one Father. The
Roman Catholic Church has been around for a long time, but has nothing
to do with the Day of Pentecost and so what if it had 266 Popes? That
is their business, while the church of God does go back to the birth
of Christ Jesus. Nothing to do with the Catholic church of today.
That church the RCC is failing daily, millions if not billions of
dollars paid out for its priest that molested children. Jesus said to
love the little children, not to molest them, which the RCC hide for
years, and such is in the news and now you still try to call it a
church that God would of set up, Please...........

>
> >  I founded many churches
> >and a few Bible Schools.
>
> But Jesus founded HIS Church.

Yes as all the churches I have blessed is blessed by Jesus as the Head
of the Church. Not some pope that a group of priest choose to lead
them. Not God but man,

>
> > As well as trained many Pastors and ministers
> >over the last 50+ years.  All in the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and
> >as the churches of GOD under the authority that Jesus gave all his
> >Apostles and believers to do.
>
> >> > Then some of
> >> >my teachers were Roman Catholic Priest as well as the best God fearing

> >> >men and woman of God. With degrees from some of the Best Universities in

> >> >the USA.
> >I hope the readers will pray for you Duke, you seem so confused and
> >lost with out the truth that only Jesus Christ can give by the power
> >of the Holy Spirit.
>
> The Holy Spirit leads us into all understanding.  You don't pay attention.

Yes the Holy Spirit leads me and those that love and obey HIM, not
some pope, I do pay attention and know who God is and what HIS Church
is and what HIS blessings are. It is you that blind yourself and do
not pay attention.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 25, 11:47 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/23/2012 5:18 AM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> > No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today...
>
> No, you became a cult tool then.

I do oppose the cults and teach against them as well as your lies
here. The tool is the power of the Holy Ghost, of whom you seem not
to know or care to know. That is what cults do, what you do here.

[eickman3]

On 9/26/2012 11:40 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 25, 11:47 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2012 5:18 AM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>> No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today...
>>
>> No, you became a cult tool then.
>

> I do oppose the cults...

LOL

You are "they."

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/25/2012 12:59 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 25, 11:53 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2012 3:43 PM, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you
>>
>>>> I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
>>>> years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
>>>> Christ.
>>
>>> Teaching is not the same as being taught. You spent 3 years learning that an
>>> average priest spends 8 years and some 12 years.
>
> The first 3 years was only the starting of Biblical learning.

LOL

I'm sure David Koresh and Jim Jones said the same thing.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/25/2012 1:18 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 25, 11:51 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/23/2012 9:25 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>> [snippeth]
>>
>>> I hope they do get such a education as my College years...
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Folks, this guy has never BEEN to college. The State of Texas certified
>> his "college" as a scam a few years after it started.
>>
>> Ike
>
> Thank you lke, as this is so simple to show the readers you can not
> tell the truth on anything, so reader here is the links to that
> "college" and its history, since 1944 till now.
>
> International Bible Center www.ibctx.org
> Shared on Google+. View the post.
> Founded in 1944 as International Bible College, a San Antonio Texas
> Bible College and International BIble Church started in the late 90's.

Notice the prototypical pattern, folks.

The "school" keeps changing its name every time it has to reorganize,
and it has to reorganize every time its gets busted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bible_College

Now we have the same cult group starting another "college," claiming to
be affiliated with the original, and it has NO CERTIFICATION AT ALL.

It's just a cult indoctrination center, and has nothing to do with
"education" at all.

Ike

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/25/2012 1:29 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 25, 11:52 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/24/2012 3:05 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 6:56 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/19/2012 4:36 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> The Bible proves your teachings are NOT from the Bible.
>>
>>>>>> My teachings come STRAIGHT FROM the Bible, you moron; that they prove
>>>>>> you're a liar and fraud is your problem.
>>
>>>>> You say that only when you try to show it is from the bible.It is not!
>>
>>>> I substantiate everything I say from the Word; you don't even ATTEMPT to.
>>
>>> Since your teachings are false...
>>
>> Notice how all Satan here does is argue by ASSERTION that what I say is
>> false; but God forbid he should have to PROVE that any of it is false
>> using actual scriptural and historical facts.
>
> That is strange indeed, he made up his own teachings and even states
> no scholar or historian agrees with him.

I never said any such thing, cultist.

> So the facts are the Bible
> itself, and the Bible is the PROVEN facts that shows his three
> Pentecost, and three this and that, which by the way he tried to say
> is a type of the Trinity and then calls three this or that as facts,
> all made up in his head.

No, those are the historical facts, and they prove you wrong every time.

> I do not do this by ASSERTION it is done by
> the Bible itself.

You haven't presented one single viable counter-argument, cultist.

You just keep ASSERTING that I'm lying, while hurling satanic false
accusations.

That's how cultist like you operate.

> Which he has shown he does not want to see, or
> hear. If you try to show him the historical facts and such, he will
> not accept them and start calling you or anyone as he likes to do, a
> moron.

That's YOUR tactics, cultist.

> When the word applies to his actions here and if that does not
> stop you he gets his BILL.... out and insults that animal also. His
> foul mouth and terms are not what a Christian uses or that God would
> accept as "Holy" or decent. He wants you to by his book so you can
> learn about this cultist teachings. Another term he likes to use to
> keep you or anyone from taking the time to answer his post.

LOL

First, I've never required anyone to "buy my book" to get an answer to
anything.

Second, Christians have been writing books for centuries, so your entire
argument is simply another vindictive and malicious satanic attack.

Ike

[eickman3]

...said Adolph Hitler's love child.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/26/2012 12:26 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 25, 4:03 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:49:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
> l> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>>
>>>>>>> No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
>>>>>>> did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
>>>>>>> Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
>>>>>>> month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
>>>>>>> Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
>>>>>>> a total commitment.
>>
>>>>>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>>
>>>>> Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
>>>>> others what to do. Is kind of foolish.
>>
>>>> I learned from the best - the RCC. You learned from some much lesser teachers.
>>
>>> The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking.
>>
>> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD. You founded one, didn't you.
>
> No it was not! There was no church in any place except maybe
> Jerusalem. Peter did not founder a church in Rome. In 33AD Peter was
> lying about knowing Jesus and deny Jesus 3 times, Jesus forgave him.

LOL

No, that was in c. 29 AD, as Jesus was born c. 7 BC.

> The RCC did not begin till many years later.

The line of historical churches started when God gave Peter the vision
telling him to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

So ALL of the historical churches started then, with many branches going
forth.

Too bad your cult isn't one of them.

> I founded many churches
> and a few Bible Schools.

LOL

...same thing every cult throughout history has said.

Ike

[eickman3]

On 9/26/2012 11:35 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

[snippeth]

> Who's Technically? Just because you said it? I think not. On the
> day of Pentecost as seen in the the Bible Acts chapters 1 and 2 there
> was no Catholic and surely not a RCC. There was no such thing as a
> Papacy and or the "Fatherhood" God is ONE and only one Father. The
> Roman Catholic Church has been around for a long time, but has nothing
> to do with the Day of Pentecost and so what if it had 266 Popes? That
> is their business, while the church of God does go back to the birth
> of Christ Jesus. Nothing to do with the Catholic church of today.
> That church the RCC is failing daily, millions if not billions of
> dollars paid out for its priest that molested children. Jesus said to
> love the little children, not to molest them, which the RCC hide for
> years, and such is in the news and now you still try to call it a
> church that God would of set up, Please...........

..and the cultist ramps up his attack on one of God's HISTORICAL
churches, as is necessary to pimp his cult.

[snip the rest of the cult prattle]

Ike

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:31 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/26/2012 12:26 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:> >>> The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking.

>
> >> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.
>
> > No it was not!  There was no church in any place except maybe
> > Jerusalem.  Peter did not founder a church in Rome.  In 33AD Peter was
> > lying about knowing Jesus and deny Jesus 3 times, Jesus forgave him.
>

> No, that was in c. 29 AD, as Jesus was born c. 7 BC

Oh please the dates do not mean much most use the old date from zero
to 33 as they see the birth of Christ was the turning point. Now some
will say he was born in 3 to 5 never heard of 7 BC as the date, so
where did you get that from. Really the point is that no matter what
the date was, there was no Roman Catholic church at that time, and the
church was basically in Jerusalem and then went from there to other
areas.

>
> > The RCC did not begin till many years later.
>
> The line of historical churches started when God gave Peter the vision
> telling him to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

God gave the vision to all the Apostles and to all them that believed
in Christ. Peter was a mess, and lied and cursed Jesus, then Jesus
forgive him, and Jesus had to then tell him again to feed the sheep
since he was a mess, while the rest of the Apostles did not deny
Christ and they were the ones that already were preaching. We see
after the resurrection Peter was not preaching the Gospel to the
Gentiles, in Acts chapter one and two, he was preaching and baptized
Jews folks that came from all over the known world then.

> So ALL of the historical churches started then, with many branches going
> forth.

Remember your ALL of the historical churches which did not include the
Roman Catholic as they did not spit from the Orthodox church group
till a few hundred years later that is history as it is, not the way
the popes wanted it to be.

>
> Too bad your cult isn't one of them.

Well you are in the cult, we convert those kind of folks into
believers and Christians that love God and Jesus as well as blessed by
the Holy Ghost. Something you do not have or know about. It is really
sad when you call others what you are, and think you are going to get
away with lying.

>
> ...same thing every cult throughout history has said.

I suppose the Catholic Church is that cult and throughout history been
and still is nothing more then a cult.

What cult do you call yourself of then now you will lie somemore, so
that was a waste of time.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

Your doing it on all churches as you are that cultist to start with.
You do not like the truth or the fact, my reply was truth and all your
falsehoods could not even reply to it. It is HISTORICAL not RCC trash
the truth stuff that you and your cultist friends want here.

>
> [snip the rest of the cult prattle]

Yeah that is all you do in your cult prattle, it is a wonder you can
even lie like that and try to think your fooling someone.

Get you head out of your armpit and look up the history books that the
Orthodoxy churches have, that still have their church in Jerusalem as
they will tell you about the false claims of the offshoot church of
Rome.

Pastor R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> >> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the
> >> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>
> >> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name
> >> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get
> >> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> >> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning

> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>
> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> >> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >> >a total commitment.
>
> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> >others what to do.  Is kind of foolish.
>
> I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.

Only a foolish person would say such, all my teachers were more
educated than you ever were or hope to be, so that shows just how
unlearned you really are here.

[Terry Cross]

Like gold from alchemy, not all wisdom is a product of education, nor
does education always result in wisdom. All too frequently do both
alchemist and teacher labor at their crafts with naught but lead to
show for all their years of work.

TCross

[duke]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 26, 2:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.
>
>> >No it was not!  There was no church in any place except maybe
>> >Jerusalem.  Peter did not founder a church in Rome.
>>
>> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
>> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.
>
>You have no idea what you just said. "I am right" showing you are
>wrong. There was no Catholic Church in 33 AD then it is not English
>that is the problem, it is YOU.

Haahaahaa. rk, you're always good for a laugh. The Church that Jesus founded
is the (c)atholic Chruch, a universal church, one given the gifts of the Holy
Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papa_cy. We of the (C)atholic Church today possess
all of these qualities given 2000 years ago. Which ones do you offer? I can
see, at best, 2 sacraments. You're long gone from the Church founded by Jesus.

>> >The RCC did not begin till many years later.
>> Technically, the birth of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus occurred on
>> Pentecost Sunday with the descent of the Holy Spirit.  Jesus was gone, the Holy
>> Spirit was with us to guide and lead us thru the Fatherhood of the Papacy.  And
>> is still doing so today with Pople Benedict, the 266th Pope.  And Jesus said his
>> Church this way would never fail.

>Who's Technically? Just because you said it? I think not.

Yes, I know it. It is THE day that the Holy Spirit descended on the people of
the New Way, the day that the HOLY SPIRIT led the Church rather than Jesus
Christ - the day his Spirit took over. And with all those wonderful gifts left
to them by Jesus - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papacy.

1000 years later, it became known as the Roman Catholic Church after the Eastern
Orthodox Church schismed.

[duke]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:04:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
by Jesus in 33AD.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

I have no problem with that, as it is clear you did follow that kind
of people, since you and them wanted people to accept their teachings
like you want here. You are sure on a lot of things showing you and
them must of been in the same cult.

Thanks for your confession in the cult messages. Hell is for them and
for them that like to read what they said. Death was their end,
sooner then later.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:22 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/25/2012 1:18 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> >> Folks, this guy has never BEEN to college. The State of Texas certified
> >> his "college" as a scam a few years after it started.
>
> >> Ike
>
> > Thank you lke, as this is so simple to show the readers you can not
> > tell the truth on anything, so reader here is the links to that
> > "college" and its history, since 1944 till now.
>
> > International Bible Center  www.ibctx.org
> > Shared on Google+. View the post.
> > Founded in 1944 as International Bible College, a San Antonio Texas

> > Bible College and International Bible Church started in the late 90's.

>
> Notice the prototypical pattern, folks.

Yeah it is called the TRUTH a pattern you do not follow and do not
want to follow as such shows your cult mind.

>
> The "school" keeps changing its name every time it has to reorganize,
> and it has to reorganize every time its gets busted.

You really like lying and such that name for the school I want to has
been the same as it was when it started in the early 1940s. How
stupid and ignorant you really are to make such silly remarks.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bible_College
>
> Now we have the same cult group starting another "college," claiming to
> be affiliated with the original, and it has NO CERTIFICATION AT ALL.

What do you think your talking about no cult here but yours, and if
you want to start another college, you first had to start the first.
You not smart enough to have such smarts. As for certification it is
listed and anyone going to the website listed will prove all you do
here is bad mouth them that show how ignorant you really are.

>
> It's just a cult indoctrination center, and has nothing to do with
> "education" at all.

More lies on top of lies, you seem not to able to say anything that is
true here.

Pastor R. Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:26 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/25/2012 1:29 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> > That is strange indeed, he made up his own teachings and even states
> > no scholar or historian agrees with him.

> I never said any such thing, cultist.

Sure you did, I did my homework and went to your website and look up
your false book and read that you sure did say the same thing. Maybe
not word for word as I summarized it, but anyone that wanted to waste
time and did not care if the trash Christ and the Bible stuff from
your website shows you sure did say just that.

> >  So the facts are the Bible
> > itself, and the Bible is the PROVEN facts that shows his three
> > Pentecost, and three this and that, which by the way he tried to say
> > is a type of the Trinity and then calls three this or that as facts,
> > all made up in his head.
>
> No, those are the historical facts, and they prove you wrong every time.

Only in your mind, not in fact or accepted History that is real
historical facts, not the made up, stuff you want to push here.

>
> > I do not do this by ASSERTION it is done by
> > the Bible itself.
>
> You haven't presented one single viable counter-argument, cultist.

Since you keep addressing a cultist, I do not need to reply or present
anything, you are the cults and I don't need to walla in such trash.
Then when you try to post, your own writing prove more then a single
argument.

> You just keep ASSERTING that I'm lying, while hurling satanic false accusations.

Why not you keep lying and proving it over and over again. If you see
your friend Satan here they are your remarks. I have nothing to do
with your friend and evil ways.

>
> That's how cultist like you operate.

Nope, since you are the cultist and what you are saying here, is your
way of lying again and again.

>
> > Which he has shown he does not want to see, or
> > hear.  If you try to show him the historical facts and such, he will
> > not accept them and start calling you or anyone as he likes to do, a
> > moron.
>
> That's YOUR tactics, cultist.

Then that cultist must of been right as he shows you are that moron
and now even prove it is what you would do and does here.

>
> First, I've never required anyone to "buy my book" to get an answer to
> anything.

FIRST, No you may never have required anyone, you just make it posted
it and make it known it is not free and cost money. Then with out
saying that, your actions and website does say it in other terms. I
am not telling anyone to go to your cultist website, to prove you are
lying, then that is what you do here no matter what.

>
> Second, Christians have been writing books for centuries, so your entire
> argument is simply another vindictive and malicious satanic attack.

SECOND Yes Christians have been writing books only you are not a
christian, and cults also have been writing book for centuries as your
writing is. My argument is just look and see your book at the website
you use, prove you are the the vindictive one and your curses and
vulgar tongue and lies just support your still lying here, and think
any real Christian would accept such lies. As is your BULL...... and
Moron etc terms proves you can not stop lying.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

What a waste of your life, all you can do here is lie. Who is this
"they" you use as an excuse when there is no "they" in this post you
posted here. Showing you can not even read and your mind is closed to
facts.


>
> Ike

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 9:27 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 6:04 pm, "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> > > >> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> > > >> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> > > >> >> >> >> >seem.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> > > >> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.
>
> > > >> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> > > >> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> > > >> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> > > >> >> >pitiful.
>
> > > >> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> > > >> >> waking up?
>
> > > >> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the
> > > >> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>
> > > >> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> > > >> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name

> > > >> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exemption, as I would love to get

> > > >> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> > > >> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> > > >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>
> > > >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> > > >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> > > >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> > > >> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> > > >> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> > > >> >a total commitment.
>
> > > >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> > > >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> > > >others what to do.  Is kind of foolish.
>
> > > I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.
>
> > Only a foolish person would say such, all my teachers were more
> > educated than you ever were or hope to be, so that shows just how
> > unlearned you really are here.
>
> Like gold from alchemy, not all wisdom is a product of education, nor
> does education always result in wisdom.  All too frequently do both
> alchemist and teacher labor at their crafts with naught but lead to
> show for all their years of work.

That is true, I remember in the jungles, I knew about nothing on how
to get live without electric or running water, toilets and such. I
could not even start a kerosene light, a native had to show me how to
light it and where to find water etc. He was very educated without
any schooling, then a graduate of college was in matters of survival.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 28, 11:38 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 26, 2:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.
>
> >> >No it was not!  There was no church in any place except maybe
> >> >Jerusalem.  Peter did not founder a church in Rome.
>
> >> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
> >> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.
>
> >You have no idea what you just said.  "I am right" showing you are
> >wrong.  There was no Catholic Church in 33 AD then it is not English
> >that is the problem, it is YOU.
>
> Haahaahaa.  rk, you're always good for a laugh.  The Church that Jesus founded
> is the (c)atholic Chruch, a universal church, one given the gifts of the Holy
> Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papa_cy.   We of the (C)atholic Church today possess
> all of these qualities given 2000 years ago.  Which ones do you offer?  I can
> see, at best, 2 sacraments.  You're long gone from the Church founded by Jesus.

I was going to be polite but yes Haahaahaa fits your reply and is
funny that you would use it.
I was thinking you also are good for a laugh, just was not going to
tell you, till now. There was no ROMAN Church at that time, so no
Roman Catholic church. It is cute the way you forgot to put the Roman
there, as the world Catholic only means Universal and has nothing to
do with the RCC. That is very funny for you to even to think such a
ploy would prove your false statements. Also the term MASS you like
to use was not once found in the scriptures or in the early church as
there was no such thing as Papa_cy or Papacy. Your church today is
the one with all the priest molesting children hundreds of them. Sure
not a sacrament or something approved 2000 years ago. No not once,
love the children not to molest them is what the Bible and the early
church did follow. The church which is not limited to the Roman
Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus said as He told Peter and
pointed to Himself upon this Rock I build my church, not a stone as
the name Peter implies to. Jesus is the ROCK and gave His keys to His
Apostles all of them. I do not follow images (idols) and such as the
RCC does under other names. That church has images they call them
the Apostles but no one knows what Jesus, Mary or the Apostles but you
pray to those images of WHO the ones were that they really are.

>
> >> >The RCC did not begin till many years later.
> >> Technically, the birth of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus occurred on
> >> Pentecost Sunday with the descent of the Holy Spirit.  Jesus was gone, the Holy
> >> Spirit was with us to guide and lead us thru the Fatherhood of the Papacy.  And
> >> is still doing so today with Pople Benedict, the 266th Pope.  And Jesus said his
> >> Church this way would never fail.
> >Who's Technically?  Just because you said it?  I think not.
>
> Yes, I know it.  It is THE day that the Holy Spirit descended on the people of
> the New Way, the day that the HOLY SPIRIT led the Church rather than Jesus
> Christ - the day his Spirit took over.  And with all those wonderful gifts left
> to them by Jesus - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papacy.
>
> 1000 years later, it became known as the Roman Catholic Church after the Eastern
> Orthodox Church schismed.

The schisme was the RCC ran from the church and trys to make itself
that church.

[duke]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 28, 11:38 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 26, 2:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.
>>
>> >> >No it was not!  There was no church in any place except maybe
>> >> >Jerusalem.  Peter did not founder a church in Rome.
>>
>> >> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
>> >> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.
>>
>> >You have no idea what you just said.  "I am right" showing you are
>> >wrong.  There was no Catholic Church in 33 AD then it is not English
>> >that is the problem, it is YOU.
>>
>> Haahaahaa.  rk, you're always good for a laugh.  The Church that Jesus founded
>> is the (c)atholic Chruch, a universal church, one given the gifts of the Holy
>> Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papa_cy.   We of the (C)atholic Church today possess
>> all of these qualities given 2000 years ago.  Which ones do you offer?  I can
>> see, at best, 2 sacraments.  You're long gone from the Church founded by Jesus.
>
>I was going to be polite but yes Haahaahaa fits your reply and is
>funny that you would use it.

I just can't believe that you spent all that money for a Christian education and
came away so lacking.

>I was thinking you also are good for a laugh, just was not going to
>tell you, till now. There was no ROMAN Church at that time

Tsk, tsk, rk. That was the selected name of the same first Chruch founded by
Jesus after the schism of 1054.

> so no
>Roman Catholic church. It is cute the way you forgot to put the Roman
>there, as the world Catholic only means Universal and has nothing to
>do with the RCC.

Again, "catholic" = "universal". Jesus called his new church on earth as a
"catholic = universal church". And the characteristics he gave his new Chruch
were the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, and the Papa_cy. Now the fact that you
elected to drift away from the teachings of Jesus is to your account, not mine.

>> >> >The RCC did not begin till many years later.
>> >> Technically, the birth of the Catholic Church founded by Jesus occurred on
>> >> Pentecost Sunday with the descent of the Holy Spirit.  Jesus was gone, the Holy
>> >> Spirit was with us to guide and lead us thru the Fatherhood of the Papacy.  And
>> >> is still doing so today with Pople Benedict, the 266th Pope.  And Jesus said his
>> >> Church this way would never fail.
>> >Who's Technically?  Just because you said it?  I think not.
>>
>> Yes, I know it.  It is THE day that the Holy Spirit descended on the people of
>> the New Way, the day that the HOLY SPIRIT led the Church rather than Jesus
>> Christ - the day his Spirit took over.  And with all those wonderful gifts left
>> to them by Jesus - the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papacy.
>>
>> 1000 years later, it became known as the Roman Catholic Church after the Eastern
>> Orthodox Church schismed.

>The schisme was the RCC ran from the church and trys to make itself
>that church.

Correction: The day before the schism, both the Eastern Church and the Western
Church reported to the Pope. The day after the schism, the EOC no longer
reported to the Pope, but the RCC did.

[Ed Form]

On 12/09/2012 17:58:59, Linda Lee wrote:
> On Sep 12, 5:39�am, "Ed Form" <ed.f...@workgroupsolutions.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> The trinity is a pagan introduction
>> and the Bible knows nothing of it. The
>
> That's garbage. It's throughout the Bible.
>
> Here Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is presented in Rev. 1:4-5, God the
> Father being "him which is, and which was, and which is to come", the
> Holy Spirit being "the seven Spirits which are before his
> throne" (seven signifying completion, perfection), and the Son of God
> being "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first
> begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth" with
> ALL THREE TOGETHER PROVIDING GRACE:
>
> Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto
> you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to
> come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
> Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
> first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

The passage you cite names nine entities: God, seven spirits and Jesus. The
wording 'from the seven spirits' is emphatically plural so your idea that a
single entity is described as complete by being described as seven entities
has no logical basis in the text. Nor does anything about the text indicate a
connection with the idea of a trinity in the pagan-imported sense. Three
separate things are described but you have imported the idea that they are
somehow one.

>> Bible also knows nothing about heaven going for believers:
>
> You mean you know nothing of it.

No. The Bible knows nothing of it.

>> it teaches
>> resurrection and a kingdom of God on earth.
>
> Christ taught that believers would join him in Paradise (Luke 23:43),

And Jesus said unto him,
Verily I say unto thee today
shalt thou be with me in paradise.

No proof of heaven going here. You imported it.

> Paradise being Heaven (II Cor. 12:4),

How that he was caught up into paradise...

You base your conclusion that paradise is in heaven on the word 'up' in that
verse and sail straight past the fact that the word is not in the Greek.
'Caught up' is the Greek word 'harpazo' which has no connotation 'up' at all.
It means 'to snatch away' as for example in John 6:15 - When Jesus therefore
perceived that they would come and *take him by force* to make him a king -
where 'take him by force' is the same 'harpazo'. No proof of heaven going
here. You [and the AV translators] imported it.

> and Christ taught that the children of the resurrection,
> in the resurrection "are as the angels of God in heaven"
> (Matt. 22:30); "are as the angels which are in heaven"
> (Mark 12:25); "are equal unto the angels; and are the children
> of God" (Luke 20:36).

The angels of God are in heaven and God is in heaven but none of these verses
says that the children of the resurrection will be in heaven like them. The
only comparator given in these passages is that the children of the
resurrection will not marry and will not be given in marriage and will be
immortal because they will have become the same as the angels of God. No
proof of heaven going here. You imported it.

> This describes HEAVEN (the paradise of God being Heaven - II Cor.
> 12:4), a heavenly Jerusalem, not an earthly Jerusalem:
> Rev. 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith
> unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the
> tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

2 Corinthians 12:4 does not show that paradise is in heaven and the
descriptions of the heavenly Jerusalem *all* state that it comes down from
God out of heaven. None of these passages offers any proof of heaven going.
You imported it. You are so dazzled by your own belief in heaven going and
the trinity that you cannot read straight.

Ed Form

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 25, 11:51 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/23/2012 9:25 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> [snippeth]
>
> > I hope they do get such a education as my College years...
>
> LOL

>
> Folks, this guy has never BEEN to college. The State of Texas certified
> his "college" as a scam a few years after it started.
>

That is a lie and I gave the website address in another post to show
any reader that Eickman can not tell the truth.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 29, 6:51 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> wrote:> >> >On Sep 26, 2:36 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:26:48 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD.  You founded one, didn't you.
>
> >> >> >No it was not!  There was no church in any place except maybe
> >> >> >Jerusalem.  Peter did not founder a church in Rome.
>
> >> >> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
> >> >> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.
>
> >> >You have no idea what you just said.  "I am right" showing you are
> >> >wrong.  There was no Catholic Church in 33 AD then it is not English
> >> >that is the problem, it is YOU.
>
> >> Haahaahaa.  rk, you're always good for a laugh.  The Church that Jesus founded
> >> is the (c)atholic Chruch, a universal church, one given the gifts of the Holy
> >> Mass, 7 sacraments and the Papa_cy.   We of the (C)atholic Church today possess
> >> all of these qualities given 2000 years ago.  Which ones do you offer?  I can
> >> see, at best, 2 sacraments.  You're long gone from the Church founded by Jesus.
>
> >I was going to be polite but yes Haahaahaa fits your reply and is
> >funny that you would use it.
>
> I just can't believe that you spent all that money for a Christian education and
> came away so lacking.

No one else can believe I would spent that much money just to help
people like you, that has no education in Theology and think as a lay
Catholic they can tell others how to spend their money. Just because
you want to be ignorant in matters of Church and doctrine is your own
doing. When I look at your remarks, I also ask why did I spend so
much money to help you understand and find all you want is to play a
fool here. Then some which it seems you are part of that group, want
to live in ignorants and lack knowledge and think your smart. Such a
waste of time and money but I do care about your salvation and the way
Christ wants you to walk, even if you don't.

>
> >I was thinking you also are good for a laugh, just was not going to
> >tell you, till now.  There was no ROMAN Church at that time
>
> Tsk, tsk, rk.  That was the selected name of the same first Chruch founded by
> Jesus after the schism of 1054.

Oh you mean the church I attend and the Lord blesses by the Holy
Spirit and people love to attend as God is there, no schism that is
your image of a RCC, not the real church that is of and in God. Just
because some church has a history and pass, does not make it blessed
of God today. You have the rules of your church. I have the rules
from the Holy Spirit and God has blessed.

We all know you locked in to a dead church that died years ago, and
now suffers by its own priesthood and Bishops that pick themselves to
run the church. The Bible means little or nothing even to the fact
your RCC tells people not to trust the Holy Bible only, but to trust
these guys because they say they hear from God, no matter if the WORD
the Bible says such teachings are no blessed by God. The RCC pulls
our one must have 7 sacraments and call the leaders as popes or Papa,
Father and such. When the Bible say not call them such names. The
RCC follows the rules it made no matter if God said not to or not.
The bible tells what makes up a idol and how that idol is to be held
high and people can touch it, kiss it and such. The same thing the
RCC does with its "saints and Mary etc." Made of wood, cement, stone,
rock etc. the Same as Idols are.

> > so no
> >Roman Catholic church.  It is cute the way you forgot to put the Roman
> >there, as the world Catholic only means Universal and has nothing to
> >do with the RCC.
>
> Again, "catholic" = "universal".  Jesus called his new church on earth as a
> "catholic = universal church".   And the characteristics he gave his new Chruch
> were the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, and the Papa_cy.   Now the fact that you
> elected to drift away from the teachings of Jesus is to your account, not mine.

Now you try to use a oxymoron to support you. Universal is not
local. Rome is a local city in a non-universal place. Jesus did not
call a church "catholic or Universal" He told believers to preach and
convert people all over the world. I have asked you over and over
again to show in the WORD of God the world sacraments, and HOLY MASS,
or Papa_cy" YOU NEVER ONCE SHOWN THE READERS SUCH TERMS IN THE WORD OF
GOD. You FOLLOW A MAN MADE, AND UNGODLY IN MANY WAYS. Prove with
more then what you say by book, chapter and verse. Not some idea you
think means this or that. YOUR CHURCH NEAR 2000 YEARS BEGAN TO DRIFT
AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD AND TODAY IS LACKING. Jesus did not teach
these terms or order them. Peter never oked such either.

Dr. R Knapp
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 29, 12:38 pm, "Ed Form" <ed.f...@workgroupsolutions.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 12/09/2012 17:58:59, Linda Lee wrote:

> >> The trinity is a pagan introduction
> >> and the Bible knows nothing of it. The
>
>

> The passage you cite names nine entities: God, seven spirits and Jesus. The
> wording 'from the seven spirits' is emphatically plural so your idea that a
> single entity is described as complete by being described as seven entities
> has no logical basis in the text. Nor does anything about the text indicate a
> connection with the idea of a trinity in the pagan-imported sense. Three
> separate things are described but you have imported the idea that they are
> somehow one.

God is Spirit, the Angels are spirit also, so the seven spirits does
not mean they are GOD just seven other spirits. Jesus is God not some
spirit angel. What pagan group has only three gods? some have
thousands of gods. You are a Trinity also, are you a pagan? You are
somehow ONE also. Body, Soul and Spirit, but still only one human body
walking around. Also man is made in the image of God, so like man
body soul and spirit in one, as God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, all
in one body called GOD.

[Ed Form]

On 30/09/2012 22:18:46, "Dr. R. Knapp" wrote:
> God is Spirit, the Angels are spirit also, so the seven spirits does
> not mean they are GOD just seven other spirits. Jesus is God not some
> spirit angel. What pagan group has only three gods? some have
> thousands of gods. You are a Trinity also, are you a pagan? You are
> somehow ONE also. Body, Soul and Spirit, but still only one human body
> walking around. Also man is made in the image of God, so like man
> body soul and spirit in one, as God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, all
> in one body called GOD.

You trinitarians do make giant leaps across logical barriers to try to
support your theory. Your spirit is your breath, your soul is you entire
being [Genesis 2:7], and your body is the clay you are made of. There is no
metaphysics here at all. I'm not a trinity, I'm a rather too big lump of clay
energised by breathing and making up a whole living being.

The Bible does not teach that Jesus is God - the apostles don't say he was,
Jesus did not say he was. On the contrary, both Jesus and the apostles taught
that he was a man and subservient to God.

Ed Form

[vince garcia]

Ed Form wrote:
>
> On 30/09/2012 22:18:46, "Dr. R. Knapp" wrote:
> > God is Spirit, the Angels are spirit also, so the seven spirits does
> > not mean they are GOD just seven other spirits. Jesus is God not some
> > spirit angel. What pagan group has only three gods? some have
> > thousands of gods. You are a Trinity also, are you a pagan? You are
> > somehow ONE also. Body, Soul and Spirit, but still only one human body
> > walking around. Also man is made in the image of God, so like man
> > body soul and spirit in one, as God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, all
> > in one body called GOD.
>
> You trinitarians

Raymond is NOT a Trinitarian, ed...

[duke]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com>
wrote:

I can't see you graduated with no knowledge.

>> >I was thinking you also are good for a laugh, just was not going to
>> >tell you, till now.  There was no ROMAN Church at that time
>>
>> Tsk, tsk, rk.  That was the selected name of the same first Chruch founded by
>> Jesus after the schism of 1054.

>Oh you mean the church I attend and the Lord blesses by the Holy
>Spirit and people love to attend as God is there

You never belonged to the Chruch that Jesus founded. Only a Catholic can say
that.

>, no schism that is
>your image of a RCC, not the real church that is of and in God.

Good grief, he didn't even study history.

> Just
>because some church has a history and pass, does not make it blessed
>of God today. You have the rules of your church. I have the rules
>from the Holy Spirit and God has blessed.

Dream on.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:26 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 9/25/2012 1:29 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 21, 6:56 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 9/19/2012 4:36 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> The Bible proves your teachings are NOT from the Bible.
>
> >>>>>> My teachings come STRAIGHT FROM the Bible, you moron; that they prove
> >>>>>> you're a liar and fraud is your problem.
>
> >>>>> You say that only when you try to show it is from the bible.It is not!
>
> >>>> I substantiate everything I say from the Word; you don't even ATTEMPT to.
>
> >>> Since your teachings are false...
>
> >> Notice how all Satan here does is argue by ASSERTION that what I say is
> >> false; but God forbid he should have to PROVE that any of it is false
> >> using actual scriptural and historical facts.
>
> > That is strange indeed, he made up his own teachings and even states
> > no scholar or historian agrees with him.
>
> I never said any such thing, cultist.

Sure you did cultist.

> >  So the facts are the Bible
> > itself, and the Bible is the PROVEN facts that shows his three
> > Pentecost, and three this and that, which by the way he tried to say
> > is a type of the Trinity and then calls three this or that as facts,
> > all made up in his head.
>
> No, those are the historical facts, and they prove you wrong every time.

No historical facts fit your interpretation of the facts.

>
> > I do not do this by ASSERTION it is done by
> > the Bible itself.
>
> You haven't presented one single viable counter-argument, cultist.

Sure I did, I told people to just read you book, only they you would
get money for selling it, and I have nothing to do with promoting a
cultist teachings.

>
> You just keep ASSERTING that I'm lying, while hurling satanic false
> accusations.

Not from me, I have nothing to do with your satanic friends.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:33 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh so you think molesting children is what "God's HISTORICAL
CHURCHES".

I hope the readers see your want and support of you :pimp your cult
here Ike.

[Ed Form]

What I think you mean is that the gentleman doesn't express his beliefs in
accordance with the approved trinitarian formula.

Ed Form

[vince garcia]

No--i mean he is a modalist, not a trinitarian.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 25, 10:53 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/24/2012 3:43 PM, duke wrote:

>
> > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you
>

> >> I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
> >> years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
> >> Christ.
>
> > Teaching is not the same as being taught.  You spent 3 years learning that an

t > > average priest spends 8 years and some 12 years.
>
> He didn't even do that.
I am not a Roman Catholic Priest and they are not Protestants so they
never spent any years in the priesthood of the Church that is not a
Catholic. So they did not even do that.

> Ike

You of all persons show your ignorants not only in the Bible but the
priesthood. Most of them are good men trying to understand God and
Church. I have never question their education as it apples to their
church and they never question my education, as we in the ministry
understand that lay people and trouble makers really do not know what
they are talking about. Like you are doing here.

Dr. R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

Which approved trinitarian formula would that be? I believe and
follow the "Apostles creed" as the Metholidis church follows and
membership follow as well as the Lord,s prayer.



Affirming the Essentials:

The Apostles’ Creed




The Apostles’ Creed
I believe in God the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ
his only Son our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried:
he descended into hell;
the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

Dr. R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

So now you know me and tell me what I believe?
THOSE WHO HAVE SAID HE IS NOT A PERSON

A modalistic concept of the Trinity has been the chief reason for
denying either the personality or deity of the Spirit through its
various forms throughout the centuries. Sabellianism (A.D. 215) taught
that God is a unity and that He revealed Himself in three different
modes of forms. God played three roles. This error denied the distinct
personality of the Spirit. Socinianism (1539–1604) defined the Spirit
as “virture or energy flowing from God to man.” Most liberal theology
today agrees with this; and although the Spirit is mentioned often, He
is no person, only a power or influence. Barthianism has often been
accused of modalism; and while some would reject this, it nevertheless
is probably an accurate description of the Barthian view of the
Trinity.
Charles Caldwell Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody
Press, 1972).

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 28, 10:39 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:04:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> >> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> >> >> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> >> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> >> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the
> >> >> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>
> >> >> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name

> >> >> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exemption, as I would love to get

> >> >> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> >> >> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>
> >> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> >> >> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >> >> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >> >> >a total commitment.
>
> >> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> >> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> >> >others what to do.  Is kind of foolish.
>
> >> I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.
> >Only a foolish person would say such, all my teachers were more
> >educated than you ever were or hope to be, so that shows just how
> >unlearned you really are here.
>
> And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
> by Jesus in 33AD.

By virtue of your ignorance because you say you follow the education
of the RCC that was not even a church then. You lack of education is
appalling, since you are not a Priest or Monk or any one that did
study in the classroom, your lack or education shows you have nothing
to do with Jesus or 33AD.

>

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 30, 4:52 pm, "Ed Form" <ed.f...@workgroupsolutions.co.uk>
wrote:

They do theach Jesus is God.
Jesus christ
Jesus is all-powerful (Isaiah 9:6)
Jesus has authority over demons (Mark 1:27)
Jesus is the Son of God (Luke 1:35)
Jesus is God (John 1:1–5)
Jesus is the Messiah (John 4:25–26)
Jesus is the Judge (John 5:22)
Jesus gives life (John 10:10)
Jesus is the Good Shepherd (John 10:11)
Jesus is the only way to God (John 14:6)
Jesus is the author of life (Acts 3:15)
Jesus is the wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:21–24)
Jesus is the head of the church (Ephesians 5:23)
Jesus is the highest authority (Philippians 2:9–10)
Jesus is the Creator (Colossians 1:15–16)
Jesus is faithful (2 Timothy 2:13)
Jesus is coming again (Titus 2:13)
Jesus is sinless (Hebrews 4:15)
Jesus is holy (Hebrews 7:26)
Jesus is the King of the ages (Revelation 15:3)
Jesus is the Lamb of God (Revelation 21:22)

Tyndale House Publishers, Holy Bible: New Living Translation, 3rd ed.
(Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, 2007).

R Knapp
>
> Ed Form

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 30, 5:29 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:

> >> I just can't believe that you spent all that money for a Christian education and
> >> came away so lacking.
> >No one else can believe I would spent that much money just to help
> >people like you, that has no education in Theology and think as a lay
> >Catholic they can tell others how to spend their money.
>
> I can't see you graduated with no knowledge.

Yes we learn and have no knowledge of ignorants and stupidity that you
are showing her, you really have that kind of no knowledge.

[Mordecai]

You happen to be wrong.
I am an expert in being wrong.
Every idea I tested failed ... which is a 100% failure rate.
This included the advanced mathematical tools used for testing.

Trinity fails.

So what?

Have a beer and forget it.
Nobody cares.

Have another beer.

--
Mordecai!

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.

[vince garcia]

Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> On Oct 1, 6:51 am, vince garcia <vggarci...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Ed Form wrote:
> >
> > > On 30/09/2012 23:13:46, vince garcia wrote:
> > > > Ed Form wrote:
> >
> > > >> On 30/09/2012 22:18:46, "Dr. R. Knapp" wrote:
> > > >> > God is Spirit, the Angels are spirit also, so the seven spirits does
> > > >> > not mean they are GOD just seven other spirits. Jesus is God not some
> > > >> > spirit angel. What pagan group has only three gods? some have
> > > >> > thousands of gods. You are a Trinity also, are you a pagan? You are
> > > >> > somehow ONE also. Body, Soul and Spirit, but still only one human body
> > > >> > walking around. Also man is made in the image of God, so like man
> > > >> > body soul and spirit in one, as God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, all
> > > >> > in one body called GOD.
> >
> > > >> You trinitarians
> >
> > > > Raymond is NOT a Trinitarian, ed...
> >
> > > What I think you mean is that the gentleman doesn't express his beliefs in
> > > accordance with the approved trinitarian formula.
> >
> > > Ed Form
> >
> > No--i mean he is a modalist, not a trinitarian
>
> So now you know me and tell me what I believe?

Aren't you a oneness pentecostal? They're modalists, which is why
they're called "oneness".

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:11 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/26/2012 11:40 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

Nothing here to reply to.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:12 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/25/2012 12:59 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> >
> I'm sure David Koresh and Jim Jones said the same thing.

You should know, you and them fit together like a glove.

>
> Ike-

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 28, 11:38 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:

> >> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
> >> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.

NICE OF YOU TO SHOW YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW HISTORY. The church that
was founded in Jerusalem is still there and it is not Roman Catholic,
it is Orthodox. Then English is not my problem but seems to be your
understanding of English is making it hard for you to comprehend.

The truth is, you really do not want to hear it or understand it,
since it sure is not what the RCC is pushing so people will think,
they had some background in the early church that Jesus did start.

[Ike]

On 9/29/2012 12:38 PM, Ed Form wrote:
> On 12/09/2012 17:58:59, Linda Lee wrote:
>> On Sep 12, 5:39 am, "Ed Form" <ed.f...@workgroupsolutions.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The trinity is a pagan introduction
>>> and the Bible knows nothing of it. The
>>
>> That's garbage. It's throughout the Bible.
>>
>> Here Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is presented in Rev. 1:4-5, God the
>> Father being "him which is, and which was, and which is to come", the
>> Holy Spirit being "the seven Spirits which are before his
>> throne" (seven signifying completion, perfection), and the Son of God
>> being "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first
>> begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth" with
>> ALL THREE TOGETHER PROVIDING GRACE:
>>
>> Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto
>> you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to
>> come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
>> Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
>> first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
>
> The passage you cite names nine entities: God, seven spirits and Jesus.

What a moron: The seven spirits form the composite singular, "Holy"
Spirit that shows up at the END of the book, when the assembly is completed.

> The
> wording 'from the seven spirits' is emphatically plural so your idea that a
> single entity is described as complete by being described as seven entities
> has no logical basis in the text.

Not until the end, when John ceases to refer to "the Seven Spirits" and
begins to refer to "the Spirit," ONE, COMPLETE AND WHOLE.

But of course, this bit of foolishness comes from the same moron who
can't perceive that God is One and Three (and then some).

It never occurred to me how truly stupid someone has to be to become a
cultist until I encountered Ed Form here.

[snip the rest of the ignorant prattle]

Ike

[vince garcia]

Ike wrote:
>
> On 9/29/2012 12:38 PM, Ed Form wrote:
> > On 12/09/2012 17:58:59, Linda Lee wrote:
> >> On Sep 12, 5:39 am, "Ed Form" <ed.f...@workgroupsolutions.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The trinity is a pagan introduction
> >>> and the Bible knows nothing of it. The
> >>
> >> That's garbage. It's throughout the Bible.
> >>
> >> Here Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is presented in Rev. 1:4-5, God the
> >> Father being "him which is, and which was, and which is to come", the
> >> Holy Spirit being "the seven Spirits which are before his
> >> throne" (seven signifying completion, perfection), and the Son of God
> >> being "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first
> >> begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth" with
> >> ALL THREE TOGETHER PROVIDING GRACE:
> >>
> >> Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto
> >> you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to
> >> come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
> >> Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the
> >> first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
> >
> > The passage you cite names nine entities: God, seven spirits and Jesus.
>
> What a moron: The seven spirits form the composite singular, "Holy"
> Spirit that shows up at the END of the book, when the assembly is completed.

Yes, possibly...OR it refers to the seven angels that stand before the
throne of God, mentioned in the apocrypha and Rev. 8:2

[Ed Form]

On 01/10/2012 17:54:05, Mordecai wrote:
> Have another beer.
>
> --
> Mordecai!

You back as well Mordecai? I even saw Rob Strom posting the other day. All we
need is Michael Shoshoni and with Vince Garcia we'll have a full set. (:oD)

Ed Form

[Mordecai]

No - I am on another forum.
Morris killed that forum - followed by Randy.

This one made ike look loving.
It is much ... less volatile now.
There was a "christian gang" ... it has moved on.

And your forum does not have the ten thousand daily hate posts from this
forum any more.

[Ike]

On 9/27/2012 4:35 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 27, 7:31 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/26/2012 12:26 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:> >>> The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking.

>>
>>>> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD. You founded one, didn't you.
>>
>>> No it was not! There was no church in any place except maybe

>>> Jerusalem. Peter did not founder a church in Rome. In 33AD Peter was
>>> lying about knowing Jesus and deny Jesus 3 times, Jesus forgave him.
>>
>> No, that was in c. 29 AD, as Jesus was born c. 7 BC
>
> Oh please the dates do not mean much

Some "scholar;" you have no idea how much they mean.

> most use the old date from zero
> to 33 as they see the birth of Christ was the turning point.

Yeah, and it happened about five years EARLIER than they though,
throwing all of their assumptions out of wack.

> Now some
> will say he was born in 3 to 5 never heard of 7 BC as the date,

Only the ones who can't count.

Herod the Great died in 3 BC.

Jesus was born at least two years before that.

Jesus was born BEFORE the wise men even showed up on the scene.

That puts the date at 6-7 BC.

> so
> where did you get that from. Really the point is that no matter what
> the date was, there was no Roman Catholic church at that time, and the
> church was basically in Jerusalem and then went from there to other
> areas.

No, the point was that the churches were apostolic and successive, so
Dukes statement that the RCC existed from the very beginning is a
stretch, but not entirely false.

But yours was never in the mix.

>>> The RCC did not begin till many years later.
>>
>> The line of historical churches started when God gave Peter the vision
>> telling him to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.
>
> God gave the vision to all the Apostles...

The "scholar" reveals his ignorance yet again.

Acts 10:
9 � On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto
the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made
ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as
it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the
earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild
beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that
is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath
cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had
seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had
made enquiry for Simon�s house, and stood before the gate,
18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were
lodged there.

The vision was to PETER; the others than received the Word from him.

> and to all them that believed
> in Christ. Peter was a mess, and lied and cursed Jesus, then Jesus
> forgive him, and Jesus had to then tell him again to feed the sheep
> since he was a mess, while the rest of the Apostles did not deny
> Christ and they were the ones that already were preaching.

Yep. Peter was Jesus' "every man," which is why Jesus set him up ahead
of the others.

> We see
> after the resurrection Peter was not preaching the Gospel to the
> Gentiles, in Acts chapter one and two, he was preaching and baptized
> Jews folks that came from all over the known world then.

NO ONE was preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles until AFTER Peter's
vision in Acts 10.

Are you really that stupid?


>> So ALL of the historical churches started then, with many branches going
>> forth.
>
> Remember your ALL of the historical churches which did not include the
> Roman Catholic...

Bullshit.

Once again, we have the cultist attacking the historical churches
because his cult is NOT ONE OF THEM.

> as they did not spit from the Orthodox church group
> till a few hundred years later that is history as it is, not the way
> the popes wanted it to be.

Revisionist bullshit.

There was one church--INCLUDING THE ROMAN ONE--from the beginning until
the East-West Schism of 1050 AD.

>> Too bad your cult isn't one of them.
>
> Well you are in the cult

Still waiting for you to name "my cult."

The Lutherans are part of the line of historical churches.

Your "Pentecostal Oneness" cult isn't.

>, we convert those kind of folks into
> believers....

Yeah, believers in your antichristian, antitrinitarian, antichurch cult
lies.

> and Christians that love God and Jesus...

You don't know Him, and He doesn't know you, cultist.

Mt 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied
in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.


[snip the rest of the rhetorical bullshit]

Ike

[Ike]

On 9/27/2012 4:49 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

> On Sep 27, 7:33 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/26/2012 11:35 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>> [snippeth]
>>
>>> Who's Technically? Just because you said it? I think not. On the
>>> day of Pentecost as seen in the the Bible Acts chapters 1 and 2 there
>>> was no Catholic and surely not a RCC. There was no such thing as a
>>> Papacy and or the "Fatherhood" God is ONE and only one Father. The
>>> Roman Catholic Church has been around for a long time, but has nothing
>>> to do with the Day of Pentecost and so what if it had 266 Popes? That
>>> is their business, while the church of God does go back to the birth
>>> of Christ Jesus. Nothing to do with the Catholic church of today.
>>> That church the RCC is failing daily, millions if not billions of
>>> dollars paid out for its priest that molested children. Jesus said to
>>> love the little children, not to molest them, which the RCC hide for
>>> years, and such is in the news and now you still try to call it a
>>> church that God would of set up, Please...........
>>
>> ..and the cultist ramps up his attack on one of God's HISTORICAL
>> churches, as is necessary to pimp his cult.
>

> Your doing it on all churches as you are that cultist to start with.

Rhetorical bullshit.

> You do not like the truth or the fact,

You don't KNOW any truth or fact, cultist.

God started a line of churches in the First Century which have and will
pass through seven eras.

Your antitrinitiarian, antichristian cult ISN'T ONE OF THEM.

[Ike]

On 9/28/2012 3:16 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 27, 7:12 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/25/2012 12:59 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 25, 11:53 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2012 3:43 PM, duke wrote:

>>
>>>>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you
>>

>>>>>> I hope they do get such a education as my College years was three
>>>>>> years in class then 4 years in the Jungles tell them of the Lord Jesus
>>>>>> Christ.
>>
>>>>> Teaching is not the same as being taught. You spent 3 years learning that an

>>>>> average priest spends 8 years and some 12 years.
>>

>>> The first 3 years was only the starting of Biblical learning.
>>
>> LOL

>>
>> I'm sure David Koresh and Jim Jones said the same thing.
>

> I have no problem with that....

You ARE that.

Ike

[Ike]

On 9/28/2012 3:46 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 27, 7:26 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On 9/25/2012 1:29 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>> That is strange indeed, he made up his own teachings and even states
>>> no scholar or historian agrees with him.
>
>> I never said any such thing, cultist.
>

> Sure you did, I did my homework and went to your website and look up
> your false book and read that you sure did say the same thing.

I never said any such thing.

> Maybe
> not word for word as I summarized it,

Read "bastardized it."

[snippeth]

>>> So the facts are the Bible
>>> itself, and the Bible is the PROVEN facts that shows his three
>>> Pentecost, and three this and that, which by the way he tried to say
>>> is a type of the Trinity and then calls three this or that as facts,
>>> all made up in his head.
>>
>> No, those are the historical facts, and they prove you wrong every time.
>

> Only in your mind

Only in the Word and history, which you hate, because it proves you're
an ignorant fool every time.

>>> I do not do this by ASSERTION it is done by
>>> the Bible itself.
>>
>> You haven't presented one single viable counter-argument, cultist.
>

> Since you keep addressing a cultist, I do not need to reply or present
> anything, you are the cults and I don't need to walla in such trash.
> Then when you try to post, your own writing prove more then a single
> argument.

Notice how the cultist dodged the facts by trying to start another
off-topic argument.

The cultist hasn't presented a SINGLE biblical or historical fact that
disputes anything I've written.

Ah, but Satan just keeps on hurling epitaphs.

>> You just keep ASSERTING that I'm lying, while hurling satanic false accusations.
>

> Why not you keep lying and proving it over and over again.

I've lied about nothing, cultist.

[snippeth the rhetorical bullshit]

>> That's how cultist like you operate.
>
> Nope

Yep.

>>> Which he has shown he does not want to see, or
>>> hear. If you try to show him the historical facts and such, he will
>>> not accept them and start calling you or anyone as he likes to do, a
>>> moron.
>>
>> That's YOUR tactics, cultist.

[snip the rhetorical bullshit]

>> First, I've never required anyone to "buy my book" to get an answer to
>> anything.
>
> FIRST, No you may never have required anyone, you just make it posted
> it and make it known it is not free and cost money.

And then the cultist, having no other argument to make, started in with
his self-hypocritical argument all over again, as if he NEVER bought a
book in his life.

>> Second, Christians have been writing books for centuries, so your entire
>> argument is simply another vindictive and malicious satanic attack.
>
> SECOND Yes Christians have been writing books...

Then you stand in your hypocrisy and satanic false accusations.

Ike

[Ike]

On 9/28/2012 6:20 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
> On Sep 27, 7:11 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/26/2012 11:40 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 25, 11:47 am, eickman3 <hermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/23/2012 5:18 AM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>>
>>>>> No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today...
>>
>>>> No, you became a cult tool then.
>>
>>> I do oppose the cults...
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> You are "they."

[snippeth]

YOU are "THEY."

Ike

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Oct 2, 9:23 am, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2012 4:49 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:


> >> ..and the cultist ramps up his attack on one of God's HISTORICAL
> >> churches, as is necessary to pimp his cult.
>
> > Your doing it on all churches as you are that cultist to start with.
>
> Rhetorical bullshit.

You foul mouth son of the devil, is that all you can do is refuse to
give a answer and in your mind thinks you can curse, lie and insult is
about all you have, and that sure is nothing a Christian would do.
You are sick and your Bull is about all you have a animal mind and
lifestyle.

>
> > You do not like the truth or the fact,
>
> You don't KNOW any truth or fact, cultist.

You foul mouth son of the devil, is that all you can do is refuse to
give a answer and in your mind thinks you can curse, lie and insult is
about all you have, and that sure is nothing a Christian would do.
You are sick and your Bull is about all you have a animal mind and
lifestyle.

> God started a line of churches in the First Century which have and will

> pass trough seven eras.

So what, since your remarks above have nothing to do with what you
been trying to prove. Facts is history and from the First Century
till NOW 2012 shows that from day one to now we still have churches.
Nothing in that supports you teaching you want people to buy, read or
download from your website. I think maybe you think if you say
something that is true, people will think all you say is true. Which
is not so, in your case.

>
> Your antitrinitiarian, antichristian cult ISN'T ONE OF THEM.

So what, nothing there has to do with anything here. your cult and
your teachings are the same as you post here. Just because you play a
fool and tell others it is "YOUR" teachings only show you lie and keep
on lying, then that is what real cultist people do, it is part of
their agenda.

> [snip the rest of the rhetorical bullshit]

You foul mouth son of the devil, is that all you can do is refuse to
give a answer and in your mind thinks you can curse, lie and insult is
about all you have, and that sure is nothing a Christian would do.
You are sick and your Bull is about all you have a animal mind and
lifestyle.

Pastor R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 30, 6:29 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:

> >> I just can't believe that you spent all that money for a Christian education and
> >> came away so lacking.
> >No one else can believe I would spent that much money just to help
> >people like you, that has no education in Theology and think as a lay
> >Catholic they can tell others how to spend their money.
>
> I can't see you graduated with no knowledge.

You never will either, as it seems only you can go and graduate if
that is possiable and have or get any knowledge. Everyone else that
graduate does get knowledge in the field they studied.

It would be nice if you could answer statements with facts, instead of
foolishness like this.

> You never belonged to the Chruch that Jesus founded.  Only a Catholic can say
> that.

So now you think you are some kind of sicket and can look into the
life of people like a witch haveing a sayons, "You never belonged "
You know nothing! I am a Catholic just not a Roman Catholic. I
belong to the Universal Church and serve the LORD JESUS, the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost. Which by your remakrs seem to say you never
belonged to the true church. By your remarks and actions.

> Good grief, he didn't even study history.
That is a oxemoron.

> >because some church has a history and pass, does not make it blessed
> >of God today.  You have the rules of your church.  I have the rules
> >from the Holy Spirit and God has blessed.
>
> Dream on.

No problem, and I do dream well at night, thank you.

Pastor R. Knapp

[duke]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:31:05 -0400, eickman3 <xhermanei...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/26/2012 12:26 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>> On Sep 25, 4:03 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:49:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> l> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,

>>>
>>>>>>>> No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
>>>>>>>> did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
>>>>>>>> Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
>>>>>>>> month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
>>>>>>>> Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
>>>>>>>> a total commitment.
>>>
>>>>>>> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>>>
>>>>>> Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
>>>>>> others what to do. Is kind of foolish.
>>>
>>>>> I learned from the best - the RCC. You learned from some much lesser teachers.
>>>

>>>> The problem is, if that is the best you end up lacking.
>>>
>>> The RCC is the Church founded by Jesus in 33AD. You founded one, didn't you.
>>
>> No it was not! There was no church in any place except maybe
>> Jerusalem. Peter did not founder a church in Rome. In 33AD Peter was
>> lying about knowing Jesus and deny Jesus 3 times, Jesus forgave him.
>

>LOL
>
>No, that was in c. 29 AD, as Jesus was born c. 7 BC.

Jesus is considered to have been born sometime between 4BC and 6AD - a 10 year
float..

>> The RCC did not begin till many years later.

The birthday of the Catholic Church is Pentecost Sunday, 50 days after the
resurrection of Jesus.

>The line of historical churches started when God gave Peter the vision
>telling him to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

50 days after the resurrection.


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[duke]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:

>On Sep 28, 11:38 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >> That's right.  Jesus founded the Catholic Church in Jerusalem in 33AD.  Gosh,
>> >> you really have a hard time whit English, don't you.
>
>NICE OF YOU TO SHOW YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW HISTORY. The church that
>was founded in Jerusalem is still there

You're talking about a structure. I'm talking about the Body of Christ.

> and it is not Roman Catholic,
>it is Orthodox. Then English is not my problem but seems to be your
>understanding of English is making it hard for you to comprehend.
>
>The truth is, you really do not want to hear it or understand it,
>since it sure is not what the RCC is pushing so people will think,
>they had some background in the early church that Jesus did start.

[duke]

Then which church was then?

> You lack of education is
>appalling, since you are not a Priest or Monk or any one that did
>study in the classroom, your lack or education shows you have nothing
>to do with Jesus or 33AD.

The RCC taught me everything I know.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Oct 2, 9:21 am, Ike <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2012 4:35 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:

> No, the point was that the churches were apostolic and successive, so
> Dukes statement that the RCC existed from the very beginning is a
> stretch, but not entirely false.

You can not have it both ways, when one has to stretch something it is
called lying.

>
> The vision was to PETER; the others than received the Word from him.

Did not happen, James told Peter to shut up and sit down.

His vision was FOOD and that was to Peter, then Paul also had visions
as well as JOHN etc. The vision was given to all in Mat 28:19 and in
Mark 16

> and to all them that believed
> > in Christ.  Peter was a mess, and lied and cursed Jesus, then Jesus
> > forgive him, and Jesus had to then tell him again to feed the sheep
> > since he was a mess, while the rest of the Apostles did not deny
> > Christ and they were the ones that already were preaching.
>
Yep. Peter was Jesus' "every man," which is why Jesus set him up
ahead
> of the others.

So wish the RCC Jesus pointed to himself and said Upon this Rock I
will build my Church. Not Peter that cursed Jesus and lied about him
when Jesus was taken before the Roman governor.

> >  We see

> > after the resurrection Peter was not preaching the Gospel to the
> > Gentiles, in Acts chapter one and two, he was preaching and baptized
> > Jews folks that came from all over the known world then.
>
> NO ONE was preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles until AFTER Peter's
> vision in Acts 10.

NO ONE in your book but not the Holy Bible.

> >> So ALL of the historical churches started then, with many branches going
> >> forth.
>
> > Remember your ALL of the historical churches which did not include the
> > Roman Catholic...

> Bullshit.

You can make a meal out of that, then clean you mouth and sit with
your BULL you may even enjoy the smell as you sure like talking about
it here.

> > as they did not spit from the Orthodox church group
> > till a few hundred years later that is history as it is, not the way
> > the popes wanted it to be.
>
> Revisionist bullshit.

You eat that stuff a wise person has nothing to do with you or your
Bull.

> There was one church--INCLUDING THE ROMAN ONE--from the beginning until
> the East-West Schism of 1050 AD.

Yes and the Roman one was not the Leader or the head of the church
then or now.

> Still waiting for you to name "my cult."

Yes we all would like to know what the name of your cult is, would it
begin with "BULL"?

>
> The Lutherans are part of the line of historical churches.
>
> Your "Pentecostal Oneness" cult isn't.

So your one of them folks, lie and being a liar is part of the
teachings of your cult. Then ignorant one I do not belong or have a
Pentecostal Oneness as that applys to the United Pentecostal Church,
which I never was a member of or a minister of. I accepted Christ as
my savior in the Southern Baptist church at 19 years old. Was
baptized as a child in the Methodist Church, of which I have minister
in and attend and supported by even today.

Then since you call everyone but yourself here as a cult it is no
wonder you call others cults. Again it seems you refuse to name your
cult or is it some Roman Catholic order or group that even the Priest
see as cult teachings.

>
> >, we convert those kind of folks into
> > believers....
>
> Yeah, believers in your antichristian, antitrinitarian, antichurch cult
> lies.
>
> > and Christians that love God and Jesus...
>
> You don't know Him, and He doesn't know you, cultist.
>
> Mt 7:
> 22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied
> in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done
> many wonderful works?
> 23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
> ye that work iniquity.
>
> [snip the rest of the rhetorical bullshit]

Yes those verses fit you He never knew you depart of your work etc.
But since you like that BULL so much, none of use would like to know
you , as you sink too much, and that is not only rhetorical .

>
> Ike

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> >> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the
> >> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>
> >> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name

> >> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get

> >> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> >> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>
> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> >> >month. Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >> >Calling given by God. Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >> >a total commitment.
>
> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> >others what to do.  Is kind of foolish.
>
> I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.

I suppose you need to keep teling yourself that, as to admit you never
did learn from the best in the RCC. Then any teacher lesser or
better can walk all over you lack of knowleage. Your own word was you
are a LAY MEMBER nothing more even your local Preist knows more then
you did or may ever learn.

[duke]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:25:11 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:

>On Sep 30, 6:29 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >> I just can't believe that you spent all that money for a Christian education and
>> >> came away so lacking.
>> >No one else can believe I would spent that much money just to help
>> >people like you, that has no education in Theology and think as a lay
>> >Catholic they can tell others how to spend their money.
>>
>> I can't see you graduated with no knowledge.

>You never will either, as it seems only you can go and graduate if
>that is possiable and have or get any knowledge.

Say what? Can't you speak English.

> Everyone else that
>graduate does get knowledge in the field they studied.

Not you.

>It would be nice if you could answer statements with facts, instead of
>foolishness like this.

Your comments are too raunchy to respond to. They are very minimal in
knowledge.

>> You never belonged to the Chruch that Jesus founded.  Only a Catholic can say
>> that.

>So now you think you are some kind of sicket and can look into the
>life of people like a witch haveing a sayons, "You never belonged "

I feel very comfortable telling you that the average Catholic who never attended
a seminary knows more about God and the bible than you do.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 27, 7:33 am, eickman3 <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/26/2012 11:35 PM, Dr. R. Knapp wrote:
>
> [snippeth]
>
> > Who's Technically?  Just because you said it?  I think not.  On the
> > day of Pentecost as seen in the the Bible Acts chapters 1 and 2 there
> > was no Catholic and surely not a RCC.  There was no such thing as a
> > Papacy and or the "Fatherhood"  God is ONE and only one Father.  The
> > Roman Catholic Church has been around for a long time, but has nothing
> > to do with the Day of Pentecost and so what if it had 266 Popes?  That
> > is their business, while the church of God does go back to the birth
> > of Christ Jesus.  Nothing to do with the Catholic church of today.
> > That church the RCC is failing daily, millions if not billions of
> > dollars paid out for its priest that molested children.  Jesus said to
> > love the little children, not to molest them, which the RCC hide for
> > years, and such is in the news and now you still try to call it a
> > church that God would of set up, Please...........
>

> ..and the cultist ramps up his attack on one of God's HISTORICAL
> churches, as is necessary to pimp his cult.

So sorry since you are the cultist and seem not to be able to even
read and comprehend what is posted let along what was written for all
to see. You blind attack is what FACTS do to people like you. All
that was posted is FACTS not make believe what you seem to need to
follow in your cult. It looks like if we take your word here, you all
for molesting children and trying to hide such, as the news papers got
you all. The law courts agree and punish the RCC for their sinful
priest. You call them that oppose such as the Cult. You and your mind
is so far in sin and evil, you and the devil seem to be partners, and
you point to The Roman Catholic church as then real church, when them
that sin in such away is the Cultist or are you just a occult hiding
as a Catholic? I really do not think the RCC would accept you or call
you a member.

>
> [snip the rest of the cult prattle]
>
> Ike

Yes you have my permission to snip all that RCC cult prattle you seem
to like so much. Help yourself. Hell is open for for folks that
follow your kind of teachings.

Pastor R Knapp

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 28, 11:39 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:04:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> >> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> >> >> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> >> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> >> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the
> >> >> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>
> >> >> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name

> >> >> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exemption, as I would love to get

> >> >> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> >> >> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>
> >> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> >> >> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >> >> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >> >> >a total commitment.
>
> >> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> >> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> >> >others what to do.  Is kind of foolish.
>
> >> I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.

> >Only a foolish person would say such, all my teachers were more
> >educated than you ever were or hope to be, so that shows just how
> >unlearned you really are here.
>
> And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
> by Jesus in 33AD.

The church that follows the Holy Bible and hold the same doctrines is
not the RCC that is full of images the bible points out is IDOLS. Now
the church I work with and attend hold the doctrine that Jesus gave to
HIS Church. You claim Peter as your pope but do not even Baptize the
way Peter told everyone to be baptized in the Name of the LORD JESUS
Christ, in Jesus name. So our church follows Peter and your church
claims you have Peter, but in doctrine show He was not your leader in
the early church or now.
Acts chapter Two, Acts 2:35-40

[duke]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:


>> I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.

>I suppose you need to keep teling yourself that, as to admit you never
>did learn from the best in the RCC.

But I did learn from the best - the very Church started by Jesus Christ in 33AD.
All the gifts he gave us are found in the 4 gospels, the part of the bible that
you hope and pray is not for real.

[duke]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:20:25 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:

>> And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
>> by Jesus in 33AD.

>The church that follows the Holy Bible and hold the same doctrines is
>not the RCC that is full of images the bible points out is IDOLS.

The bible is in full disagreement with you. We in the RCC have no idols. Even
Moses taught the Jews in the desert that if they wanted to be cured of snake
bite, they must look at the bronze staff with the snake image on top.

You didn't know that, did you. That's shows how little you really know about
the bible.

> Now
>the church I work with and attend hold the doctrine that Jesus gave to
>HIS Church.

If that's true, where is the Holy Mass that Jesus commanded with the
consecration of the Holy Eucharist, the other 6 sacraments and the teaching
authority in the Papacy for you to follow.

You don't follow Jesus in those. You have started a church outside the
directives of the Lord Jesus.

> You claim Peter as your pope but do not even Baptize the
>way Peter told everyone to be baptized in the Name of the LORD JESUS
>Christ, in Jesus name.

We do EXACTLY like Jesus said in Mat 28:16-20. You don't do squat as best as I
can tell.

> So our church follows Peter and your church
>claims you have Peter, but in doctrine show He was not your leader in
>the early church or now.
>Acts chapter Two, Acts 2:35-40

Mat 28:16-20. Christian baptism.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Oct 3, 6:04 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:20:25 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> >> And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
> >> by Jesus in 33AD.
> >The church that follows the Holy Bible and hold the same doctrines is
> >not the RCC that is full of images the bible points out is IDOLS.
>
> The bible is in full disagreement with you.  We in the RCC have no idols.  Even
> Moses taught the Jews in the desert that if they wanted to be cured of snake
> bite, they must look at the bronze staff with the snake image on top.

No the Bible shows you are in full disagreement and your images such
as Mary, and the saints, etc. are really Idols, images of such people
is sin full. You have lots of images that the Bible show are just
IDOLS. The snake was not for worship, as it is the same image that
the medical groups use to show they are doctors and such is a
hospital. NOT A CHURCH, the images you have in your church and
picture images of people such as Mary who ever that woman was that
they made the image of, was not Mary the mother of the Lord, or the
saints they are just images out of the mind of the one making them.
People pray to them touching them till their hands or feet have to be
replaced every few years if not months. Images God told His people
not to make them. Lets not take my word but see now what the Bible
says, pick what ever version you wish, as you pointed out they all say
the same.
Deut 4:16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved
image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

Deut 27:15 'Cursed is the one who makes a carved or molded image, an
abomination to the Lord, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and
sets it up in secret.' "And all the people shall answer and say,
'Amen!'

Hab 2:18 "What profit is the image, that its maker should carve it,
The molded image, a teacher of lies, That the maker of its mold should
trust in it, To make mute idols?

Nah 1:14 The Lord has given a command concerning you: "Your name shall
be perpetuated no longer. Out of the house of your gods I will cut off
the carved image and the molded image. I will dig your grave, For you
are vile."

> You didn't know that, did you.  That's shows how little you really know about the bible.

I do know what your images in the Catholic church are idols as the
above verses show.

> > Now the church I work with and attend hold the doctrine that Jesus gave to
> >HIS Church.

Jesus never told anyone to make images and call them Christian names
and hold them in a place of honor. Never happen.

>
> If that's true, where is the Holy Mass that Jesus commanded with the
> consecration of the Holy Eucharist, the other 6 sacraments and the teaching
> authority in the Papacy for you to follow.

I have asked you many times to prove such is from the bible, the
verses that say 6 or 7 etc, Sacraments and you know there is none, so
you just say the same and that shows you are in sin, as you know you
lied. No such thing as a Papacy. Never once in the Bible or from the
mouth of God or Jesus is such apporoved, it is just a lie of your
church and yourself.

Prove me wrong, a image is an idol and such terms and teachings have
nothing to do with God and His true Church.

> You don't follow Jesus in those.  You have started a church outside the
> directives of the Lord Jesus.

Your Jesus you made into a image of and have in all the RCC which
still have Him as a looser nailed to a Cross. Jesus lives and is not
nailed to a cross, He is Free and is not a craved image.

>
> >  You claim Peter as your pope but do not even Baptize the
> >way Peter told everyone to be baptized in the Name of the LORD JESUS
> >Christ, in Jesus name.
>
> We do EXACTLY like Jesus said in Mat 28:16-20.  You don't do squat as best as I
> can tell.

So you put squat with what the Bible says, that says a lot about your
faith or should say lack of. Now lets again see what the Bible has to
say, and your first Pope said.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said to them,"Repent, and let every one of you be
baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and
you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are
afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."

Acts 8:15-17
15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might
receive the Holy Spirit.
16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16-17 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he
who does not believe will be condemned.
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will
cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

>
> >  So our church follows Peter and your church
> >claims you have Peter, but in doctrine show He was not your leader in
> >the early church or now.
> >Acts chapter Two, Acts 2:35-40
>
> Mat 28:16-20.  Christian baptism.

So you call the preaching and baptism of St. Peter is false, then even
in Mat 28:19 It says in the NAME nothing to do with names or titles.
Peter said in the name of JESUS, did he lie? Or is your church wrong?

Pastor R Knapp

[duke]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:13:51 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwk...@aim.com> wrote:

>On Oct 3, 6:04 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:20:25 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
>> >> by Jesus in 33AD.
>> >The church that follows the Holy Bible and hold the same doctrines is
>> >not the RCC that is full of images the bible points out is IDOLS.
>>
>> The bible is in full disagreement with you.  We in the RCC have no idols.  Even
>> Moses taught the Jews in the desert that if they wanted to be cured of snake
>> bite, they must look at the bronze staff with the snake image on top.
>
>No the Bible shows you are in full disagreement and your images such
>as Mary, and the saints, etc. are really Idols, images of such people
>is sin full.

Nope. An idol is something worshipped, and we don't worship Mary or any saints.
If you were a Christian, you'd know that.

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On Sep 28, 10:39 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:04:56 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> >On Sep 24, 3:42 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 23, 8:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:18:26 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. R. Knapp" <rwkn...@aim.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >The dictionary shows that "resurrected" is the same as "Cause to
> >> >> >> >> >> >become alive again" So yes Laz was also resurrected. It is what the
> >> >> >> >> >> >English word says, and so it is so, You are not too smart it would
> >> >> >> >> >> >seem.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> I myself use God's words. Jesus overcame death. He ascended to the Father
> >> >> >> >> >> after his resurrection. Laz had to die again.
>
> >> >> >> >> >That is true, so what is your point to post it?
>
> >> >> >> >Well that is nice, only you did not give it on September 20. so again
> >> >> >> >I agree with you, and the shock is to much even for you. That is
> >> >> >> >pitiful.
>
> >> >> >> I gave you the answer already of Aug 24. That was a month ago. Are you just
> >> >> >> waking up?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Foolish, unlearned pastor. You really need to ask for your money back from the
> >> >> >> >> >> bible school and then apologize to your flock.
>
> >> >> >> >Be nice only that would run into about ten thousand US dollars and if
> >> >> >> >you really want to send the money to me, we can accept it in the name

> >> >> >> >of the Lord Jesus and get you a tax exsemption, as I would love to get

> >> >> >> >another degree then I have more then one now.
>
> >> >> >> You didn't foolishly give me the money. You actually thought you were learning
> >> >> >> to be a pastor. Not to be,
>
> >> >> >No I became a MISSIONARY full time since 1964 till today, if my wife
> >> >> >did not just have her both knee's replaced and is still in the
> >> >> >Hospital, we would be back in China, Hong Kong in October 2012 next
> >> >> >month.  Then I have trained people how to be a Pastor, as that is a
> >> >> >Calling given by God.  Not me or someone else, the Callings of God is
> >> >> >a total commitment.
>
> >> >> I hope they get a better education in bible school than you did.
>
> >> >Interesting from a person that never been to any Bible school to tell
> >> >others what to do.  Is kind of foolish.
>

> >> I learned from the best - the RCC.  You learned from some much lesser teachers.

> >Only a foolish person would say such, all my teachers were more
> >educated than you ever were or hope to be, so that shows just how
> >unlearned you really are here.
>

> And I am more educated than you by virtue of my following of the Church founded
> by Jesus in 33AD.

Oh that is funny, very funny, I follow the teachings of the LORD Jesus
Christ as the WORD shows what the doctrines of 33 AD were and still is
in the Churches I minster with. You really need to remember what you
say is kept on record in Heaven, so how do you think you enter when
you just lied and keep on doing so. Liars will not enter heaven.
That is Bible.