The Thing That God Can't Do

[Barry OGrady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco

Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010

I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
Love is unconditional...God is not.

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God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[Terry Cross]

On May 17, 6:49 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>
> Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>
> I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
> forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.

> Love is unconditional.God is not.


The god of Abraham never forgave anybody for anything, so you can
forget that. The Father of Jesus forgives everyone who asks -- and
you cannot do that.

TCross

[Linda Lee]

The god of Abraham promised forgiveness of sins under the new covenant
(Jer. 31:31-34), and you know that by now. You're promoting
deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
both bitter against God, but in different ways.

[Barry OGrady]

The bible God can't begin to forgive without a pointless ritual.
God has nothing to forgive us for, and I can't forgive God.

>TCross

[Barry OGrady]

How is it possible to be bitter against such a wonderful God?
There is nothing God can forgive us for, and I can't forgive God.

[duke]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:49:33 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>
>Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>
>I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>Love is unconditional...God is not.

Sorry, bud, but unconditional love is from God. If you were a Christian, you'd
have known that.

duke - American American

*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****

[Barry OGrady]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:49:33 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>
>>Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>
>>I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>>forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>>Love is unconditional...God is not.
>
>Sorry, bud, but unconditional love is from God. If you were a Christian, you'd
>have known that.

So, unconditional love is conditional on being a Christian?
God needed to sacrifice himself to himself to appease
himself before he could talk about forgiving us for being the
way he made us.

>duke - American American

[duke]

And so your butt is toast, and you can count on it.

[duke]

On Sat, 19 May 2012 01:24:45 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:49:33 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>>
>>>Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>>
>>>I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>>>forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>>>Love is unconditional...God is not.
>>
>>Sorry, bud, but unconditional love is from God. If you were a Christian, you'd
>>have known that.
>
>So, unconditional love is conditional on being a Christian?

Strawman. Nope.

>God needed to sacrifice himself to himself to appease
>himself before he could talk about forgiving us for being the
>way he made us.

Nope.

[Terry Cross]

On May 17, 11:23 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 9:55 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 17, 6:49 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>
> > > Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>
> > > I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
> > > forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
> > > Love is unconditional.God is not.
>
> > The god of Abraham never forgave anybody for anything, so you can
> > forget that.  The Father of Jesus forgives everyone who asks -- and
> > you cannot do that.
>
> > TCross
>
> The god of Abraham promised forgiveness of sins under the new covenant
> (Jer. 31:31-34), and you know that by now.

Jeremiah allegedly lived about 400 BC. The God of Abraham allegedly
spoke in 1800 BC. Why wait 1200 years to announce the wonderful news
of forgiveness?

> You're promoting
> deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
> Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
> both bitter against God, but in different ways.

Not I, Linda. But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
Jesus with Judaism.

TCross

[Rod]

He didn't choose to make you as you are, you did that to yourself.



Mark_12:30 (KJV) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.

Mark_12:31 (KJV) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love
thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than
these.


Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also
I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold,
and one shepherd.

Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life,
that I might take it again.

Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have
power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This
commandment have I received of my Father.




Joh_12:49 (KJV) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which
sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should
speak.

Joh_12:50 (KJV) And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Joh_13:34 (KJV) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Joh_14:31 (KJV) But that the world may know that I love the Father;
and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go
hence.

Joh_15:12 (KJV) This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I
have loved you.




Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



1Ti_5:1 (KJV) Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and
the younger men as brethren;



Heb_7:3 (KJV) Without father, without mother, without descent, having
neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son
of God; abideth a priest continually.




Heb_12:9 (KJV) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which
corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in
subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?




Jas_2:21 (KJV) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he
had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?



1Jn_2:13 (KJV) I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him
that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have
overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye
have known the Father.

[Linda Lee]

I know; that's why I say you're bitter.

[Linda Lee]

You deny being a Christian and use the words of Christ for hatred.

[Barry OGrady]

I appreciate your detailed answers.

[Barry OGrady]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:49:33 +1000, Barry OGrady<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>>>
>>>> Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>>>
>>>> I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>>>> forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>>>> Love is unconditional...God is not.
>>>
>>> Sorry, bud, but unconditional love is from God. If you were a Christian, you'd
>>> have known that.
>>
>> So, unconditional love is conditional on being a Christian?
>> God needed to sacrifice himself to himself to appease
>> himself before he could talk about forgiving us for being the
>> way he made us.
>
> He didn't choose to make you as you are, you did that to yourself.

Is God an unthinking robot?

That certainly does sound like the ramblings of an unthinking robot.
No thinking being would believe that love can be commanded.
What programmed God?

[Barry OGrady]

Where did God go wrong?

[Rod]

On 5/18/2012 8:26 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:49:33 +1000, Barry OGrady<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>>>>
>>>>> Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>>>>> forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>>>>> Love is unconditional...God is not.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, bud, but unconditional love is from God. If you were a Christian, you'd
>>>> have known that.
>>>
>>> So, unconditional love is conditional on being a Christian?
>>> God needed to sacrifice himself to himself to appease
>>> himself before he could talk about forgiving us for being the
>>> way he made us.
>>
>> He didn't choose to make you as you are, you did that to yourself.
>
> Is God an unthinking robot?
>

> That certainly does sound like the ramblings of an unthinking robot.

What...you think He styled himself after you ???

[Terry Cross]

Telling the truth is not hatred. Jesus also told the truth about
Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

Unless its me telling the truth about your mythology.

>Jesus also told the truth about Judaism - He said,
>"The truth is not in you."

Its funny you should say that. The truth is Jesus never existed.
You might be thinking of Truth which is the opposite of truth.

>TCross

[Barry OGrady]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:57:05 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

You wish. Your life would have been so much better.
You said God didn't choose how he made us.
Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
is obliged to respond in a predictable way.
The only way is for God to be a robot with no free will.

[Linda Lee]

THIS was The Truth they had not known and which some never came to
know (that truth being that the Messiah was their God incarnate as the
Messiah):

Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe
also in Me.
Joh 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I
would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again
and receive you to Myself, so that where I am, you may be also.
Joh 14:4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.
Joh 14:5 Thomas said to Him, Lord, we do not know where You go, and
how can we know the way?
Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no
one comes to the Father but by Me.
Joh 14:7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.
And from now on you know Him and have seen Him.
Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is
enough for us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and
yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the
Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?

You refuse to realize that Christ did not ever condemn the Jews for
being Jews who worshipped YHWH! Where is it, Terry? It's not there,
and it should be if YHWH were really the monster you claim him to be.
He condemned them NOT for BELIEVING, but for being UNBELIEVING, for
not recognizing he was God incarnate as the Son of God and the Messiah
prophesied in the Hebrew Scriptures (the ONLY one who could forgive
their sins), and he chastised them for not having the knowledge they
should have had, especially because of who they were, that being
people who were offered that knowledge through their Scriptures. I'm
afraid you just don't get Christ's message at all.

Here Christ tells Nicodemus who was "a ruler of the Jews" that those
who were "born again" (born from above, through belief in him) would
hear the voice of God/the Spirit, and chastises him for not knowing of
this and for not receiving their witness about who Christ was:

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you,
Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
...
Joh 3:8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice,
but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is
everyone who is born of the Spirit.
Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, How can these things be?
Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a MASTER OF
ISRAEL, and knowest NOT these things?
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know,
and testify that we have seen; and YE RECEIVE NOT OUR WITNESS.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how
shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13 And no one has ascended up to Heaven except He who came down
from Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven.
Joh 3:14 But even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
(MKJV Bible)

Christ said to the Jews in John 8:24, "Therefore I said to you that
you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you
shall die in your sins." (MKJV Bible)

[Barry OGrady]

On Sat, 19 May 2012 01:02:10 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
<lindag...@juno.com> wrote:

>On May 19, 2:59�am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Telling the truth is not hatred.

The truth is considered hate by the PC crowd.
EG. The truth about the holocaust, that negroes are less evolved,
that jews are evil.

>> Jesus also told the truth about
>> Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."

There is no truth in Christianity.

>> TCross
>
>
>THIS was The Truth they had not known and which some never came to
>know (that truth being that the Messiah was their God incarnate as the
>Messiah):

You are confusing Truth, which is lies Christians want you to
believe, with truth, which is what is true.

>Christ said to the Jews in John 8:24, "Therefore I said to you that
>you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you
>shall die in your sins." (MKJV Bible)

["prover"]

"You are confusing Truth, which is lies Christians want you to believe,
with truth, which is what is true."

Smile, never had an intro logic course have we?

Atheists evoking "truth" are most often found in the end merely restating
tenents of their faith.

[pyotr filipivich]

Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com> on Fri, 18 May 2012 23:59:57 -0700
(PDT) typed in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>
>>
>> > > You're promoting
>> > > deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
>> > > Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
>> > > both bitter against God, but in different ways.
>>
>> > Not I, Linda. �But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
>> > Jesus with Judaism.
>>
>> > TCross
>>
>> You deny being a Christian and use the words of Christ for hatred.
>
>Telling the truth is not hatred. Jesus also told the truth about
>Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."
>
>TCross

So, let me see if I have this right.

Jesus, born of a Jewish woman, raised in a Jewish home, grew in
stature and respect in the Jewish Community, kept the Sabbath and the
Passover - yet he wasn't Jewish. And when it was recorded that he
preached about the Kingdom of God, he wasn't talking about the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but the God of Luther, Calvin and Pat
Robinson?

Fascinating. No wonder he was killed by the authorities - he was
turning Jews away from LORD their God .
--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[duke]

You're welcome. I can't see using many words when one word is fully accurate.

[duke]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On May 17, 11:23�pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>> On May 17, 9:55�pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On May 17, 6:49�pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>
>> > > Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>
>> > > I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>> > > forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>> > > Love is unconditional.God is not.
>>
>> > The god of Abraham never forgave anybody for anything, so you can
>> > forget that. �The Father of Jesus forgives everyone who asks -- and
>> > you cannot do that.
>>
>> > TCross
>>
>> The god of Abraham promised forgiveness of sins under the new covenant
>> (Jer. 31:31-34), and you know that by now.
>
>
>Jeremiah allegedly lived about 400 BC. The God of Abraham allegedly
>spoke in 1800 BC. Why wait 1200 years to announce the wonderful news
>of forgiveness?

Maybe it's prophesy instead of announcement.

>> You're promoting
>> deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
>> Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
>> both bitter against God, but in different ways.

>Not I, Linda. But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
>Jesus with Judaism.
>TCross

Christianity is the "upgraded" Judaism. The OT prophesied; the NT certified.

[duke]

On Fri, 18 May 2012 23:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

He did? Then why are Jews saved too?

[Barry OGrady]

Why does anyone need saving from God?

>duke - American American

[Barry OGrady]

You don't actually have a car, do you.

[Rod]

On 5/19/2012 2:36 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:57:05 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18/5/2012 8:26 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod<nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:49:33 +1000, Barry OGrady<ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>>>>>>> forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
>>>>>>> Love is unconditional...God is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, bud, but unconditional love is from God. If you were a Christian, you'd
>>>>>> have known that.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, unconditional love is conditional on being a Christian?
>>>>> God needed to sacrifice himself to himself to appease
>>>>> himself before he could talk about forgiving us for being the
>>>>> way he made us.
>>>>
>>>> He didn't choose to make you as you are, you did that to yourself.
>>>
>>> Is God an unthinking robot?
>>>
>>> That certainly does sound like the ramblings of an unthinking robot.
>>
>> What...you think He styled himself after you ???
>
> You wish. Your life would have been so much better.

Careful, others might begin to get the impression that
you have a kind nature...it would bode ill for an atheists
reputation among Christians..but perhaps there are some
lies that need to be put to bed, eh ?

> You said God didn't choose how he made us.

No, I'm saying that God didn't design us to act as we do,
my apologies if I failed to make this clear.

> Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
> is obliged to respond in a predictable way.

I don't agree with many things that they claim, but then if
they knew everything I believe and why I believe it I would
soon become a target for them. Some of them are no more than
mean spirited people that need someone to abuse to make themselves
feel better. In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
real, but in truth many times they make living here that "hell".

> The only way is for God to be a robot with no free will.

This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
be so.

[Barry OGrady]

On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:00:02 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am aware that not all Christians believe the same things.

>> You said God didn't choose how he made us.
>
> No, I'm saying that God didn't design us to act as we do,
> my apologies if I failed to make this clear.

Either way you are saying that God failed which is not
something most Christian would agree with.

>> Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
>> is obliged to respond in a predictable way.
>
> I don't agree with many things that they claim, but then if
> they knew everything I believe and why I believe it I would
> soon become a target for them.

I won't ask then.

> Some of them are no more than
> mean spirited people that need someone to abuse to make themselves
> feel better. In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
> real, but in truth many times they make living here that "hell".

Are you saying they argue for the sake of argument?
That happens a lot on CB radio too.

>> The only way is for God to be a robot with no free will.
>
> This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
> can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
> be so.

I'd like to know what you believe about God.
You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
Are you a deist?

[Linda Lee]

On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:00:02 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 19/5/2012 2:36 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:57:05 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On 18/5/2012 8:26 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net>    wrote:

He's a god-hater just like you, except he makes a farce out of being a
"believer".

[Linda Lee]

On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:00:02 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 19/5/2012 2:36 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:57:05 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On 18/5/2012 8:26 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net>    wrote:

Even though you're ignorant, blind, and wrong, I'll say one thing for
you Barry; at least you're not a coward who is afraid to speak his
mind about what he really believes - like some people...

[Terry Cross]

I do not think it is given to ordinary mortals to see so deeply into
others' hearts. As I understand it, this was one of the reasons Jesus
told us not to judge -- we just do not know each other.

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

On Sun, 20 May 2012 00:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
<tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 19, 8:23 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>> On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > > This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
>> > > can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
>> > > be so.
>>
>> > I'd like to know what you believe about God.
>> > You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
>> > Are you a deist?
>>
>> He's a god-hater just like you, except he makes a farce out of being a
>> "believer".
>
>
>I do not think it is given to ordinary mortals to see so deeply into
>others' hearts.

Of course it is! There are even heart specialists.

>As I understand it, this was one of the reasons Jesus
>told us not to judge -- we just do not know each other.

You fail to understand.
We are told not to judge God because we know God will fail.

>TCross

[Barry OGrady]

I'm not a Christian.

[Terry Cross]

On May 20, 12:51 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 00:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
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> >On May 19, 8:23 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
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> >> > >   This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
> >> > >   can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
> >> > >   be so.
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> >> > I'd like to know what you believe about God.
> >> > You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
> >> > Are you a deist?
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> >> He's a god-hater just like you, except he makes a farce out of being a
> >> "believer".
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> >I do not think it is given to ordinary mortals to see so deeply into
> >others' hearts.
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> Of course it is! There are even heart specialists.

A "specialist" is not necessarily an expert. But you knew that.

TCross

[duke]

Bad personal choices.

[duke]

I just put on my cape.

[duke]

No, just you atheists.

>>> Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
>>> is obliged to respond in a predictable way.
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>> I don't agree with many things that they claim, but then if
>> they knew everything I believe and why I believe it I would
>> soon become a target for them.
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>I won't ask then.
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>> Some of them are no more than
>> mean spirited people that need someone to abuse to make themselves
>> feel better. In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
>> real, but in truth many times they make living here that "hell".
>
>Are you saying they argue for the sake of argument?
>That happens a lot on CB radio too.
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>>> The only way is for God to be a robot with no free will.
>>
>> This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
>> can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
>> be so.
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>I'd like to know what you believe about God.
>You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
>Are you a deist?
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>God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[duke]

On Sun, 20 May 2012 00:21:03 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I think it's more a matter of us not knowing ourselves.

[Barry OGrady]

Why did God make bad personal choices and why
are we being punished for God's mistakes?

I appreciate the way you constantly denigrate God.

[duke]

Because you can't overcome your bad choices.

>I appreciate the way you constantly denigrate God.

You changed your name?

[Barry OGrady]

Have you changed my name?

>>I appreciate the way you constantly denigrate God.
>
>You changed your name?

All Christians denigrate God because there is nothing good
that can be said about God.
But you don't hold back. Your fingers fly across the keyboard
before your brain has had time to think about it.

[Barry OGrady]

On Sun, 20 May 2012 08:21:07 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:12:02 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>>Either way you are saying that God failed which is not
>>something most Christian would agree with.
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>No, just you atheists.

Athiests don't say God failed.

>duke - American American

[Barry OGrady]

Its all about the church knowing you will find God wanting.

>duke - American American

[Linda Lee]

There's judgment and then there's simply discernment. He's just said
that if Christians knew what he _really believed,_ he'd become their
target, and indicated atheists like Barry are just being kind. He is
deceptive, and I've seen him play his 'I believe in God' eventually
followed by his, 'God's a psycho' game for far too long to buy into
his game anymore.

[Linda Lee]

On May 20, 3:58 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012 20:23:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
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> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> I'd like to know what you believe about God.
> >> You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
> >> Are you a deist?
>
> >He's a god-hater just like you, except he makes a farce out of being a
> >"believer".
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> I'm not a Christian.

Neither is he; even a bitter atheist like yourself saw it.

[Terry Cross]

On May 19, 7:00 am, "prover" wrote:
> "You are confusing Truth, which is lies Christians want you to believe,
> with truth, which is what is true."
>
> Smile, never had an intro logic course have we?
>
> Atheists evoking "truth" are most often found in the end merely restating
> tenents of their faith.


Atheists never advance past their presumptions -- which they always
presume to be true. Most insist on some of form "morality" without
realizing their cosmology ("which is what is true") precludes any
foundation for morality.

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

Why would anyone hate God?

[Barry OGrady]

Terry thinks it is the height of morality to rip open pregnant
women with a sword and to dash little children against rocks.
I hope Terry never gets to be in a position of power.

>TCross

[Terry Cross]

On May 19, 9:02 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> on Fri, 18 May 2012 23:59:57 -0700
> (PDT) typed in alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:

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> >> > > deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
> >> > > Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
> >> > > both bitter against God, but in different ways.
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> >> > Not I, Linda. But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
> >> > Jesus with Judaism.
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> >> > TCross
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> >> You deny being a Christian and use the words of Christ for hatred.
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> >Telling the truth is not hatred.  Jesus also told the truth about
> >Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."
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> >TCross
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>         So, let me see if I have this right.
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>         Jesus, born of a Jewish woman, raised in a Jewish home, grew in
> stature and respect in the Jewish Community, kept the Sabbath and the
> Passover - yet he wasn't Jewish.


Buddha was born of a Hindu woman, raised in a Hindu home, grew in
stature and respect in the Hindu Community, kept the Hindu holidays -
yet he wasn't Hindu.

George Washington was born of an English woman, raised in a English
Colonial home, grew in stature and respect in the English Colonial
Community, kept the English holidays - yet he wasn't English.

Martin Luther was born of an Catholic woman, raised in a Catholic
home, grew in stature and respect in the Catholic Community, became a
prominent member of the Catholic clergy, kept the Catholic holidays -
yet he wasn't Catholic.

Judaism is a condition you can recover from. You Jews need to get
over yourselves.


> And when it was recorded that he
> preached about the Kingdom of God, he wasn't talking about the God of
> Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but the God of Luther, Calvin and Pat
> Robinson?


Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mere legends to the Jews of Jesus' day.
Jesus did not endorse any deity who ordered a father to sacrifice his
own son. And certainly, the Father of Jesus was not the God of Moses.


>         Fascinating.  No wonder he was killed by the authorities - he was
> turning Jews away from LORD their God .


Of Course. Deuteronomy 13 guaranteed the execution of Jesus.

TCross

[Linda Lee]

Because you're evil and therefore fear God?

[Rod]

Nope. I'm saying He was successful, then we came along and
trashed the place.

>
>>> Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
>>> is obliged to respond in a predictable way.
>>
>> I don't agree with many things that they claim, but then if
>> they knew everything I believe and why I believe it I would
>> soon become a target for them.
>
> I won't ask then.
>
>> Some of them are no more than
>> mean spirited people that need someone to abuse to make themselves
>> feel better. In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
>> real, but in truth many times they make living here that "hell".
>
> Are you saying they argue for the sake of argument?

Some appear to do this.

> That happens a lot on CB radio too.

And on 20, 40, 60, 80 and 160 meters as well!

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>>> The only way is for God to be a robot with no free will.
>>
>> This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
>> can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
>> be so.
>
> I'd like to know what you believe about God.

I'm still in the process of learning all I can from Him. I believe
He is very good and very kind, I haven't seen anything that He isn't
able to do yet.

He has healed me twice this year. He doesn't expect that all will
believe it, and He knows who it is that won't.

> You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.

I'm not. I'm trying to do as a friend asked me to
do, and keep a foot in each world, the spiritual world
and the material world, and keep an open mind about them.


> Are you a deist?

What I am is on the right path to finding the answers
that I've always sought. I trust God and Christ, I also
believe their is more to the universe than the eye can see
the nose will smell, or the ear hear, and in two instances
I've seen why.


Have you ever just sat down on the ground at night and
watched the stars, and how they move across the sky ?

Like diamonds they are. very beautiful.

God is a Master Artist.

[Linda Lee]

On May 20, 8:38 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 9:02 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> > (PDT) typed in alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:
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> > >> > > You're promoting
> > >> > > deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
> > >> > > Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
> > >> > > both bitter against God, but in different ways.
>
> > >> > Not I, Linda. But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
> > >> > Jesus with Judaism.
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> > >> > TCross
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> > >> You deny being a Christian and use the words of Christ for hatred.
>
> > >Telling the truth is not hatred.  Jesus also told the truth about
> > >Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."
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> > >TCross
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> >         So, let me see if I have this right.
>
> >         Jesus, born of a Jewish woman, raised in a Jewish home, grew in
> > stature and respect in the Jewish Community, kept the Sabbath and the
> > Passover - yet he wasn't Jewish.
>
> Buddha was born of a Hindu woman, raised in a Hindu home, grew in
> stature and respect in the Hindu Community, kept the Hindu holidays -
> yet he wasn't Hindu.

He was a Hindu before he was a Buddhist.

>
> George Washington was born of an English woman, raised in a English
> Colonial home, grew in stature and respect in the English Colonial
> Community, kept the English holidays - yet he wasn't English.

He was of English heritage.

>
> Martin Luther was born of an Catholic woman, raised in a Catholic
> home, grew in stature and respect in the Catholic Community, became a
> prominent member of the Catholic clergy, kept the Catholic holidays -
> yet he wasn't Catholic.

He was a Catholic before he was a Protestant.

And the Messiah was born a Jew and was the Jewish Messiah and only
Saviour of the world.

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> Judaism is a condition you can recover from.  You Jews need to get
> over yourselves.
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> > And when it was recorded that he
> > preached about the Kingdom of God, he wasn't talking about the God of
> > Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but the God of Luther, Calvin and Pat
> > Robinson?
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> Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mere legends to the Jews of Jesus' day.

Baloney. The Messiah confirmed Abraham's existence in John 8:56 when
he said Abraham had seen the day of the Messiah and rejoiced at it.

> Jesus did not endorse any deity who ordered a father to sacrifice his
> own son.

Yet God prevented Abraham from carrying out the sacrifice, so God did
not require Abraham to sacrifice his son. Sacrifices of their
children to the gods was a pagan practice; the test was, did Abraham
worship God like Abraham had previously worshipped other gods?

> And certainly, the Father of Jesus was not the God of Moses.

Christ said He was. You just write your own "Scriptures", don't you?

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> >         Fascinating.  No wonder he was killed by the authorities - he was
> > turning Jews away from LORD their God .
>
> Of Course.  Deuteronomy 13 guaranteed the execution of Jesus.
>
> TCross

Looks like you and Barry have much in common; hatred of God. The
(Jewish) Messiah said if they loved God, they'd love him, and the
opposite is true too. You don't love Jesus; he's just another damn Jew
to you.

[Barry OGrady]

What would there be to fear about God?
I don't understand why God does not act in a way that would have
everyone willingly loving him.

[Rod]

On 5/20/2012 2:57 PM, Linda Lee wrote:
> On May 20, 3:21 am, Terry Cross<tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 19, 8:23 pm, Linda Lee<lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady<athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>>> This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
>>>>> can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
>>>>> be so.
>>
>>>> I'd like to know what you believe about God.
>>>> You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
>>>> Are you a deist?
>>
>>> He's a god-hater just like you, except he makes a farce out of being a
>>> "believer".
>>
>> I do not think it is given to ordinary mortals to see so deeply into
>> others' hearts. As I understand it, this was one of the reasons Jesus
>> told us not to judge -- we just do not know each other.
>>
>> TCross
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> There's judgment and then there's simply discernment.

The only hate in this group comes from You Linda, and people
just like you. You do you best to generate it.

> He's just said
> that if Christians knew what he _really believed,_ he'd become their
> target, and indicated atheists like Barry are just being kind.

Barry seemed to be kind to me. After all, I do have a right to an
opinion, and no one is under an obligation to agree with anything you
might say, least of all me.


He is
> deceptive,

And what makes YOU think YOU are worth that much trouble ?? I
certainly don't believe that you are.


And what deception am I being accused of this time, and where is your
proof ? Oh...my mistake! I'm not kosher religion by the book!

I'm sorry..I forgot! You're the mighty book writing pharisee that
knows all and loves to attack, your war cry being "heretic"!!!


Allow me to quote Shakespeare, "There are more things in heaven and
earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Hamlet Act 1, scene 5, 159–167

and I've seen him play his 'I believe in God' eventually
> followed by his, 'God's a psycho' game for far too long to buy into
> his game anymore.

Well, I'm so sorry that when I converse with God in prayer
that He deems fit to leave almighty YOU out of the loop,
but then your name hasn't figured prominently in my prayers
or my posts.


I have asked nothing of you nor will I.


This world has seen enough of your evil. I'm rather happily surprised
that cretins, agnostics, Gnostics, heretics and atheists haven't went
on the war path and killed us all simply because the likes of your
kind continues to be generated by religion!

It was Christians like YOU that generated the inquisition, the murder
of the cathars, and salem witch burnings, not some slob like me trying
to muddle his way out of the cesspool you have created for us.

You truly are a wicked person, Linda. May you have your religion
for comfort in the fires of hell.

[Rod]

On 5/20/2012 2:58 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2012 20:23:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
> <lindag...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady<athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> I'd like to know what you believe about God.
>>> You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
>>> Are you a deist?
>>
>> He's a god-hater just like you, except he makes a farce out of being a
>> "believer".
>
> I'm not a Christian.

And I don't hate God. Linda has once again proven,
she cannot restrain her evil tongue.

But enough of her...she isn't worth the effort.

[Rod]

On 5/20/2012 12:13 AM, Linda Lee wrote:
> On May 19, 11:12 pm, Barry OGrady<athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>> On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:00:02 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 19/5/2012 2:36 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:57:05 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On 18/5/2012 8:26 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:

>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>>>> Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
>>>> is obliged to respond in a predictable way.
>>
>>> I don't agree with many things that they claim, but then if
>>> they knew everything I believe and why I believe it I would
>>> soon become a target for them.
>>
>> I won't ask then.
>

> Even though you're ignorant, blind, and wrong, I'll say one thing for
> you Barry; at least you're not a coward who is afraid to speak his
> mind about what he really believes - like some people...

The only reason you want to know is to condemn, and the world truly
has had enough of your kind.

[Rod]

Music! Lights !....

[Linda Lee]

On May 19, 6:00 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
>     real

You wish it weren't because you fear it and deep-down you know it will
be your destination. Perhaps you should repent of your evil ways?

[Linda Lee]

On May 20, 10:38 pm, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>     You truly are a wicked person, Linda.

Projection.

[Linda Lee]

I don't want to know your putrid ideas about God, coward.

[Rod]

No...your posts prove all of it, and most here know it
to be truth, but you..like the crazy person are the last to know
or admit to it.


I'd be angry at you if I weren't so busy feeling pity for you...

[Rod]

Then why inquire as to why I won't post them, you old warthog ?

[Rod]

On 5/20/2012 9:58 PM, Linda Lee wrote:
> On May 19, 6:00 pm, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
>> real
>
> You wish it weren't because you fear it and deep-down you know it will
> be your destination.

You certainly are convincing yourself that it is so,
but it isn't and I'm not.


Surprisingly though, this is the first time that you've spoken to
me in quite some time. Is it causing you any pain ? :>))

[Terry Cross]

On May 20, 7:17 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
>

> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >On May 20, 7:15 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> Why would anyone hate God?
>
> >Because you're evil and therefore fear God?
>
> What would there be to fear about God?
> I don't understand why God does not act in a way that would have
> everyone willingly loving him.

People made of mud and hamburger are incapable of love anyway. What
would you know of love?

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

I still don't understand why God does not act in a way that would have
everyone willingly loving him.
What could there possibly be to fear about God?
Unless you think God is a psycho.
Are you scared God will do something worse to you if you don't
suck up to him?

>TCross

["prover"]

>> "You are confusing Truth, which is lies Christians want you to believe,
>> with truth, which is what is true."
>>
>> Smile, never had an intro logic course have we?
>>
>> Atheists evoking "truth" are most often found in the end merely
restating
>> tenents of their faith.
>
>
>Atheists never advance past their presumptions -- which they always
>presume to be true. Most insist on some of form "morality" without
>realizing their cosmology ("which is what is true") precludes any
>foundation for morality.

"Terry thinks it is the height of morality to rip open pregnant women with
a sword and to dash little children against rocks. I hope Terry never gets
to be in a position of power."

Indeed, no grasp of basic logic it is. The personal attack is the last
refuge of the scoundrel, a wise man once observed.

[Barry OGrady]

You need to learn to quote properly with attributes if you want
replies. See what everybody else does.

[Linda Lee]

On May 21, 8:15 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 19:51:37 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
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> >On May 20, 7:17 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:44:28 -0700 (PDT), Linda Lee
>
> >> <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 20, 7:15 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> Why would anyone hate God?
>
> >> >Because you're evil and therefore fear God?
>
> >> What would there be to fear about God?
> >> I don't understand why God does not act in a way that would have
> >> everyone willingly loving him.
>
> >People made of mud and hamburger are incapable of love anyway.  What
> >would you know of love?
>
> I still don't understand why God does not act in a way that would have
> everyone willingly loving him.
> What could there possibly be to fear about God?

Just as all wicked people do, you fear God's judgment and that is also
why you hate Him, why you deny there is a hell, and why you hate
believers who love God and don't have to fear God's judgment on them.

[Linda Lee]

And yet you reply to him anyway...

[duke]

On Sun, 20 May 2012 23:57:45 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 May 2012 08:37:43 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 20 May 2012 23:23:42 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 20 May 2012 08:18:46 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 20 May 2012 07:33:21 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 19 May 2012 12:02:40 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 18 May 2012 23:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross <tcro...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 18, 1:08 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 18, 11:48 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On May 17, 11:23 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > On May 17, 9:55 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > On May 17, 6:49 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > > Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > > I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
>>>>>>>> > > > > forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.

>>>>>>>> > > > > Love is unconditional.God is not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > The god of Abraham never forgave anybody for anything, so you can
>>>>>>>> > > > forget that.  The Father of Jesus forgives everyone who asks -- and
>>>>>>>> > > > you cannot do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > TCross
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > The god of Abraham promised forgiveness of sins under the new covenant
>>>>>>>> > > (Jer. 31:31-34), and you know that by now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Jeremiah allegedly lived about 400 BC.  The God of Abraham allegedly
>>>>>>>> > spoke in 1800 BC.  Why wait 1200 years to announce the wonderful news
>>>>>>>> > of forgiveness?

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > You're promoting
>>>>>>>> > > deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
>>>>>>>> > > Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
>>>>>>>> > > both bitter against God, but in different ways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Not I, Linda.  But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
>>>>>>>> > Jesus with Judaism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > TCross
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You deny being a Christian and use the words of Christ for hatred.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Telling the truth is not hatred. Jesus also told the truth about
>>>>>>>Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."
>>>>>>

>>>>>>He did? Then why are Jews saved too?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why does anyone need saving from God?
>>>>
>>>>Bad personal choices.
>>>
>>>Why did God make bad personal choices and why
>>>are we being punished for God's mistakes?

>>Because you can't overcome your bad choices.
>Have you changed my name?

Nope.

>>>I appreciate the way you constantly denigrate God.
>>You changed your name?

>All Christians denigrate God because there is nothing good
>that can be said about God.

That's your problem, not our's.

>But you don't hold back. Your fingers fly across the keyboard
>before your brain has had time to think about it.

That's why you may be doomed.

[duke]

Thank you, thank you.

[Barry OGrady]

On Sun, 20 May 2012 21:06:11 -0500, Rod <nhra...@gmail.com> wrote:

You saying God intended us to be other than the way he
designed us? That doesn't make sense.

>>>> Christians say if you say and think the "right" things God
>>>> is obliged to respond in a predictable way.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with many things that they claim, but then if
>>> they knew everything I believe and why I believe it I would
>>> soon become a target for them.
>>
>> I won't ask then.
>>
>>> Some of them are no more than
>>> mean spirited people that need someone to abuse to make themselves
>>> feel better. In the end, they all will guarantee you that hell is
>>> real, but in truth many times they make living here that "hell".
>>
>> Are you saying they argue for the sake of argument?
>
> Some appear to do this.
>
>
>> That happens a lot on CB radio too.
>
> And on 20, 40, 60, 80 and 160 meters as well!

And on 20, 40, 60, 80 and 160 metres in civilised countries!

>>>> The only way is for God to be a robot with no free will.
>>>
>>> This is true. But I also know that God is not someone who
>>> can be manipulated. It's foolish of them to think it can
>>> be so.
>>
>> I'd like to know what you believe about God.
>
> I'm still in the process of learning all I can from Him. I believe
> He is very good and very kind, I haven't seen anything that He isn't
> able to do yet.

I haven't seen anything God can do, and we do know there
is no good God.

> He has healed me twice this year. He doesn't expect that all will
>believe it, and He knows who it is that won't.

Do you believe God caused the mess we find ourselves in,
as it says in Genesis, or is it outside God's control?

>> You don't seem to be a run of the mill Christian.
>
> I'm not. I'm trying to do as a friend asked me to
> do, and keep a foot in each world, the spiritual world
> and the material world, and keep an open mind about them.

From your posts it appears you have one foot in the world
of insanity and a toe in the world of reality.

>> Are you a deist?
>
> What I am is on the right path to finding the answers
> that I've always sought.

What makes you think that?

> I trust God and Christ, I also
> believe their is more to the universe than the eye can see
> the nose will smell, or the ear hear, and in two instances
> I've seen why.

You mean you trust the people who told you about
God and Jesus. You have not had any contact with
God or Jesus.

> Have you ever just sat down on the ground at night and
> watched the stars, and how they move across the sky ?
>
> Like diamonds they are. very beautiful.

And very violent. Even the earth barely supports life.

> God is a Master Artist.

Heck yea! God designed a worm that burrows into
children's eyes and makes them blind. God designed
viruses that defy our attempts to control them.
Only a master genius madman would dump us in a
world that barely supports life and do nothing to help
us. I'm really glad God doesn't exist.

[Barry OGrady]

You make God sound like a psychopath. No wonder you are afraid.

[Linda Lee]

Projection.

[Terry Cross]

On May 21, 6:35 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 May 2012 21:06:11 -0500, Rod <nhraf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 19/5/2012 10:12 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >> On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:00:02 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On 19/5/2012 2:36 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 20:57:05 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 18/5/2012 8:26 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:58:45 -0500, Rod<nhraf...@gmail.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On 18/5/2012 10:24 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:

> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:17:23 -0500, duke<duckgumb...@cox.net>     wrote:

Why not? What is your knowledge of "design"?

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
make it so. From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
God.

>TCross

[duke]

You're only asking because you're the one so challenged in comprehension.

[Barry OGrady]

You're the one with no answers.

>duke - American American

[Rod]

<smiling....>

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On May 17, 9:49 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxeqEoDXco
>
> Uploaded by DarkMatter2525 on Dec 3, 2010
>
> I can do something that the mythological Abrahamic God can't: I can
> forgive someone without giving them an ultimatum. Omnipotent my ass.
> Love is unconditional...God is not.

You are nuts if you think you believe such remarks, any mythological
anything is fake, so you by using that, proves nothing you say after
that, means anything. God can do anything and nothing is impossible
with God. It is a fact by converts that God can and does forgive any
and everyone that comes to Him. I was such a person, and for the last
50 years have found that God forgives and is with me daily, and my
life is better then anything I had before. You ass is about all you
have and such language shows you are lying out your teeth and are as
ignorant as one can be. Your like of love is not unconditional Gods
is, it is not God that does not forgive you, it is you, yourself and
here your "ASS" I pity the animal of that name, as they have more
since and wisdom than you do. You are like the one that wants black
and try to make white accept it, and still be white, Hell is open for
you and God will not stop you from following your own way to it, and
that seems to the smart thing for God to do. Satan and you are one
in mind and will enjoy Hell together, such joy, I do not want.

> > =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
> God is a spirit. 0% proof!

You are a bug, no proof.

[Terry Cross]

How do you know? What does your Great Dot care of health, happiness,
etc.?

> From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty

"From what we know ..." -- Truer word never spoke.

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
<tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross

>> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>>
>> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
>> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
>> make it so.
>
>
>How do you know?

Its just logic. A caring creator God would care about his
creations and would thus want them to always happy and
healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.
An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.

>What does your Great Dot care of health, happiness,
>etc.?

I don't know what you mean.

>> From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
>
>
>"From what we know ..." -- Truer word never spoke.

What does that mean?

[Terry Cross]

On May 22, 3:50 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>

> <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
> >> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>
> >> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
> >> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
> >> make it so.
>
> >How do you know?
>
> Its just logic.

"Logic" must be firmly rooted in observation and premises already
accepted. "The lever of logic requires the fulcrum of matters already
understood." (--Aristotle?) What premises have you accepted?

> A caring creator God would care about his
> creations and would thus want them to always happy and
> healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.

You have already stated that. You are now asked to support that
statement.

> An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.
>
> >What does your Great Dot care of health, happiness,
> >etc.?
>
> I don't know what you mean.

Your Prophet Hawking has informed you of the Great Dot that created
the universe. Tell us about the loving and caring of your Great Dot.

> >> From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
>
> >"From what we know ..." -- Truer word never spoke.
>
> What does that mean?

The phrase tells as more about "what [you] know" than it does about
the Deity, the universe, or anything else.

TCross

[Theo Bekkers]

"Terry Cross" wrote

> Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mere legends to the Jews of Jesus'
> day.
> Jesus did not endorse any deity who ordered a father to sacrifice
> his
> own son. And certainly, the Father of Jesus was not the God of
> Moses.

But didn't Jesus' Father sacrifice his own son?

Theo

[Terry Cross]

No. The Jewish priesthood arranged to have Jesus killed by the Romans
because the priesthood was afraid of the Jewish mobs who loved Jesus
and hated their own rulers.

TCross

[Terry Cross]

On May 20, 6:58 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 8:38 pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 19, 9:02 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > > Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> on Fri, 18 May 2012 23:59:57 -0700
> > > (PDT) typed in alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:

>
> > > >> > > You're promoting
> > > >> > > deliberate lies. And the new covenant was instituted when the god of
> > > >> > > Abraham came as the Messiah and the only Saviour. You and Barry are
> > > >> > > both bitter against God, but in different ways.
>
> > > >> > Not I, Linda. But then I am not a syncretist, mixing the teachings of
> > > >> > Jesus with Judaism.
>
> > > >> > TCross
>
> > > >> You deny being a Christian and use the words of Christ for hatred.
>
> > > >Telling the truth is not hatred.  Jesus also told the truth about
> > > >Judaism - He said, "The truth is not in you."
>

> > > >TCross
>
> > >         So, let me see if I have this right.
>
> > >         Jesus, born of a Jewish woman, raised in a Jewish home, grew in
> > > stature and respect in the Jewish Community, kept the Sabbath and the
> > > Passover - yet he wasn't Jewish.
>
> > Buddha was born of a Hindu woman, raised in a Hindu home, grew in
> > stature and respect in the Hindu Community, kept the Hindu holidays -
> > yet he wasn't Hindu.
>
> He was a Hindu before he was a Buddhist.
>
>
>
> > George Washington was born of an English woman, raised in a English
> > Colonial home, grew in stature and respect in the English Colonial
> > Community, kept the English holidays - yet he wasn't English.
>
> He was of English heritage.
>
>
>
> > Martin Luther was born of an Catholic woman, raised in a Catholic
> > home, grew in stature and respect in the Catholic Community, became a
> > prominent member of the Catholic clergy, kept the Catholic holidays -
> > yet he wasn't Catholic.
>
> He was a Catholic before he was a Protestant.
>
> And the Messiah was born a Jew and was the Jewish Messiah and only
> Saviour of the world.
>
>
>
> > Judaism is a condition you can recover from.  You Jews need to get
> > over yourselves.
>
> > > And when it was recorded that he
> > > preached about the Kingdom of God, he wasn't talking about the God of
> > > Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but the God of Luther, Calvin and Pat
> > > Robinson?

>
> > Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mere legends to the Jews of Jesus' day.
>

> Baloney. The Messiah confirmed Abraham's existence in John 8:56 when
> he said Abraham had seen the day of the Messiah and rejoiced at it.

>
> > Jesus did not endorse any deity who ordered a father to sacrifice his
> > own son.
>

> Yet God prevented Abraham from carrying out the sacrifice, so God did
> not require Abraham to sacrifice his son.  Sacrifices of their
> children to the gods was a pagan practice; the test was, did Abraham
> worship God like Abraham had previously worshipped other gods?


The Torah does not say that Abraham had ever had other children, or
that Abraham had ever worshiped idols, or that Abraham had killed his
children in worship of idols.

You do kinda make stuff up on the spot, dontcha?

> > And certainly, the Father of Jesus was not the God of Moses.
>

> Christ said He was. You just write your own "Scriptures", don't you?


Jesus used the Torah as a base for his teaching, a point of
familiarity for the Jews, who otherwise knew nothing of spirituality.
But Jesus also preached against the Torah in many respects.


> > >         Fascinating.  No wonder he was killed by the authorities - he was
> > > turning Jews away from LORD their God .
>
> > Of Course.  Deuteronomy 13 guaranteed the execution of Jesus.
>
> > TCross
>
> Looks like you and Barry have much in common; hatred of God.  The
> (Jewish) Messiah said if they loved God, they'd love him, and the
> opposite is true too.


You made that last part up on the spot. I am amazed at you, Linda.

I have made my opinions of Jehovah abundantly clear. He would not be
fit company for the gods of Olympus.

TCross

[Barry OGrady]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
<tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 22, 3:50 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>>
>> <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>> >> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>>
>> >> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
>> >> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
>> >> make it so.
>>
>> >How do you know?
>>
>> Its just logic.
>
>
>"Logic" must be firmly rooted in observation and premises already
>accepted. "The lever of logic requires the fulcrum of matters already
>understood." (--Aristotle?) What premises have you accepted?

Things we can test for.

>> A caring creator God would care about his
>> creations and would thus want them to always happy and
>> healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.
>
>
>You have already stated that. You are now asked to support that
>statement.

What part do you have a problem with?
Would a caring creator care about his creations?
If not why not?

>> An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.

Do you have a problem with that?
Please include support with your answers.

>> >What does your Great Dot care of health, happiness,
>> >etc.?
>>
>> I don't know what you mean.
>
>
>Your Prophet Hawking has informed you of the Great Dot that created
>the universe. Tell us about the loving and caring of your Great Dot.

I'm not aware of any great dot.
Is it important?
Please provide support for your answers.

>> >> From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
>>
>> >"From what we know ..." -- Truer word never spoke.
>>
>> What does that mean?
>
>
>The phrase tells as more about "what [you] know" than it does about
>the Deity, the universe, or anything else.

Which phrase, the "From that we know" or
your ""From what we know ..."?

The state of the world proves there is NO deity that
is both good and (al)mighty.

[duke]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 10:48:35 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au>
wrote:

No, he didn't.

[duke]

On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:47:19 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:38:09 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:35:52 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>You saying God intended us to be other than the way he
>>>designed us? That doesn't make sense.
>>
>>You're only asking because you're the one so challenged in comprehension.
>
>You're the one with no answers.

The answers you are looking for can't come from man, only satan.

[duke]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 08:50:57 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
><tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>
>>> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>>>
>>> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
>>> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
>>> make it so.
>>
>>
>>How do you know?

>Its just logic. A caring creator God would care about his
>creations and would thus want them to always happy and
>healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.

Yet you don't know God's mind. You're trying to make God an error prone human
mind.

>An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.

Yep, he did.

[Barry OGrady]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:45:55 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 May 2012 10:48:35 +0800, "Theo Bekkers" <theo...@bigpond.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>"Terry Cross" wrote
>>
>>> Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mere legends to the Jews of Jesus'
>>> day.
>>> Jesus did not endorse any deity who ordered a father to sacrifice
>>> his own son. And certainly, the Father of Jesus was not the God of
>>> Moses.
>>
>>But didn't Jesus' Father sacrifice his own son?
>
>No, he didn't.

God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself.

>duke - American American

[Barry OGrady]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:49:25 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 May 2012 08:50:57 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>><tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>>
>>>> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>>>>
>>>> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
>>>> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
>>>> make it so.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do you know?
>
>>Its just logic. A caring creator God would care about his
>>creations and would thus want them to always happy and
>>healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.
>
>Yet you don't know God's mind. You're trying to make God an
>error prone human mind.

Do you think a caring creator God would care about his creations?
Do you think a God of love would want the best for his creations?

>>An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.
>
>Yep, he did.

You are saying God is evil.

>duke - American American

[Barry OGrady]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:47:15 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:47:19 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:38:09 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:35:52 +1000, Barry OGrady <ath...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>>You saying God intended us to be other than the way he
>>>>designed us? That doesn't make sense.
>>>
>>>You're only asking because you're the one so challenged in comprehension.
>>
>>You're the one with no answers.
>
>The answers you are looking for can't come from man, only satan.

You should stop making claims you can't support.

>duke - American American
>
>*****
>2012 - end of an error
>Vote Republican in 2012
>*****

[Terry Cross]

On May 23, 3:04 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>

> <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 22, 3:50 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>
> >> <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
> >> >> >Why not? What is your knowledge of "design"?
>
> >> >> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
> >> >> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
> >> >> make it so.
>
> >> >How do you know?
>
> >> Its just logic.
>
> >"Logic" must be firmly rooted in observation and premises already
> >accepted. "The lever of logic requires the fulcrum of matters already
> >understood." (--Aristotle?) What premises have you accepted?
>
> Things we can test for.

Other than ending your sentences in prepositions, can you elaborate on
the logical steps we are asked to consider? You might also summarize
your basic presumptions and exclusions.

> >> A caring creator God would care about his
> >> creations and would thus want them to always happy and
> >> healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.
>
> >You have already stated that. You are now asked to support that
> >statement.
>
> What part do you have a problem with?

You are the presenter of the logical hypothesis. You should make a
clear statement of your thesis.

> Would a caring creator care about his creations?
> If not why not?

A logical rebuttal cannot be mounted until you have presented a
comprehensive statement of your thesis.

> >> An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.
>
> Do you have a problem with that?

Ibid.

> Please include support with your answers.
>
> >> >What does your Great Dot care of health, happiness,
> >> >etc.?
>
> >> I don't know what you mean.
>
> >Your Prophet Hawking has informed you of the Great Dot that created
> >the universe. Tell us about the loving and caring of your Great Dot.
>
> I'm not aware of any great dot.

Read Stephen Hawking. He has lunch regularly with the Great Dot.


> Is it important?


Hawking seems to think it is.

> Please provide support for your answers.

Popular
A Brief History of Time, (1988)
Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays, (1994)
The Universe in a Nutshell, (2001)
On The Shoulders of Giants. The Great Works of Physics and
Astronomy, (2002)
A Briefer History of Time, (2005)
God Created the Integers: The Mathematical Breakthroughs That
Changed History, (2005)[72]
The Grand Design, (2010)[72]

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George's Secret Key to the Universe, (2007)
George's Cosmic Treasure Hunt, (2009)[72]
George and the Big Bang, (2011)

> >> >> From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
>
> >> >"From what we know ..." -- Truer word never spoke.
>
> >> What does that mean?
>
> >The phrase tells as more about "what [you] know" than it does about
> >the Deity, the universe, or anything else.
>
> Which phrase, the "From that we know" or
> your ""From what we know ..."?
>
> The state of the world proves there is NO deity that
> is both good and (al)mighty.

Things cannot prove anything. Only people can prove things. But you
have proved nothing because you have not defined your premises,
method, data, or standard of proof.

TCross

[Terry Cross]

On May 23, 7:21 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 06:49:25 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >On Wed, 23 May 2012 08:50:57 +1000, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
> >><tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>
> >>>> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>
> >>>> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
> >>>> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
> >>>> make it so.
>
> >>>How do you know?
>
> >>Its just logic. A caring creator God would care about his
> >>creations and would thus want them to always happy and
> >>healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.
>
> >Yet you don't know God's mind. You're trying to make God an
> >error prone human mind.
>
> Do you think a caring creator God would care about his creations?

What I think does not matter. You boast of having proved the
proposition, but there is no proof here.

> Do you think a God of love would want the best for his creations?

Ibid.

TCross

[Dr. R. Knapp]

On May 22, 3:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>
> >

> >> You saying God intended us to be other than the way he
> >> designed us? That doesn't make sense.
>
> >Why not?  What is your knowledge of "design"?
>
> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
> make it so. From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
> God.

You are a fool to think such foolishness, you made your own god it
would seem, a caring person would made sure they obey and love God
then they could be healthy, wealthy and wise. Then an almighty
Creator does make such so, I know He has provided for me and mine and
is near me daily and love is His blessings to them that do love Him.
Your silly god is like a idol made of hands and of no value at all.
Study the Holy Bible and follow it, and you may find the God that
already knows where you are.

Raymond

[Barry OGrady]

On Wed, 23 May 2012 19:55:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
<tcro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 23, 3:04 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>>
>> <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 22, 3:50 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>>
>> >> <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On May 22, 12:42 am, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Terry Cross
>> >> >> >Why not? What is your knowledge of "design"?
>>
>> >> >> As an example, a caring creator God would want his creations
>> >> >> to be always healthy and happy, and an almighty creator would
>> >> >> make it so.
>>
>> >> >How do you know?
>>
>> >> Its just logic.
>>
>> >"Logic" must be firmly rooted in observation and premises already
>> >accepted. "The lever of logic requires the fulcrum of matters already
>> >understood." (--Aristotle?) What premises have you accepted?
>>
>> Things we can test for.
>
>
>Other than ending your sentences in prepositions, can you elaborate on
>the logical steps we are asked to consider? You might also summarize
>your basic presumptions and exclusions.

Its not that complicated.

>> >> A caring creator God would care about his
>> >> creations and would thus want them to always happy and
>> >> healthy, just like if you ever cared about anyone.
>>
>> >You have already stated that. You are now asked to support that
>> >statement.
>>
>> What part do you have a problem with?
>
>
>You are the presenter of the logical hypothesis. You should make a
>clear statement of your thesis.

What part would you like clarified?

>> Would a caring creator care about his creations?
>> If not why not?
>
>
>A logical rebuttal cannot be mounted until you have presented a
>comprehensive statement of your thesis.

No need for a logical rebuttal.
Do you believe a caring creator would care about his creations?
If not why not?

>You might also summarize
>your basic presumptions and exclusions.
>

>> >> An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect.
>>
>> Do you have a problem with that?
>
>
>Ibid.

Me too. What sort of auctions do youbid on?

Do you have a problem with me saying
An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect?

Please include support with your answers.

>> >> >What does your Great Dot care of health, happiness,
>> >> >etc.?
>>
>> >> I don't know what you mean.
>>
>> >Your Prophet Hawking has informed you of the Great Dot that created
>> >the universe. Tell us about the loving and caring of your Great Dot.
>>
>> I'm not aware of any great dot.
>
>
>Read Stephen Hawking. He has lunch regularly with the Great Dot.
>
>
>> Is it important?
>
>
>Hawking seems to think it is.

I suggest you talk to Stephen then.

>> Please provide support for your answers.
>
>
>Popular
> A Brief History of Time, (1988)
> Black Holes and Baby Universes and Other Essays, (1994)
> The Universe in a Nutshell, (2001)
> On The Shoulders of Giants. The Great Works of Physics and
>Astronomy, (2002)
> A Briefer History of Time, (2005)
> God Created the Integers: The Mathematical Breakthroughs That
>Changed History, (2005)[72]
> The Grand Design, (2010)[72]
>
>Children's fiction
> George's Secret Key to the Universe, (2007)
> George's Cosmic Treasure Hunt, (2009)[72]
> George and the Big Bang, (2011)

You forgot to provide the answers.

>> >> >> From that we know there is no loving and (al)mighty
>>
>> >> >"From what we know ..." -- Truer word never spoke.
>>
>> >> What does that mean?
>>
>> >The phrase tells as more about "what [you] know" than it does about
>> >the Deity, the universe, or anything else.
>>
>> Which phrase, the "From that we know" or
>> your ""From what we know ..."?
>>
>> The state of the world proves there is NO deity that
>> is both good and (al)mighty.
>
>
>Things cannot prove anything. Only people can prove things. But you
>have proved nothing because you have not defined your premises,
>method, data, or standard of proof.

Let's see if we can work out where you are going wrong.
Do you believe a caring creator would care about his creations?
If not why not?
Do you have a problem with me saying
An almighty creator would put his wishes into effect?

Please include support with your answers.

Thanks.