The rapture is after the tribulation is over!
VSout41403
HI,
Don't be deceived! Check the Scriptures for yourself!!!!!
The church will not be raptured till the time of rewards at the 7th
trumpet!
See Rev. 11:18 Use the KJV!!!!
All get changed at the same time - thus no one is seven years before
others in the church going to put on immortality.
When the rapture happens it is after death has been swallowed up in
victory! Thus no other Christians can die!
Valerie
VSout41403
Time for truth! Time for facts!
Fact!!!!
The church cannot be raptured till the
dead who will ever die of the church are
resurrected first!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think Jesus is bringing pre-trib raptured
saints of the church back with Him after
the tribulation? Well He isn't! He can't
because no one will be going in a pre-
trib rapture!!!!!!!!!!
Look closely at the Scriptures!
Jesus is bringing the sleeping with Him!
Only dead people!!!!!
At that time death will be swallowed up
in victory!
So even the two witnesses must die before
the rapture!!!!!!
Valerie
VSout41403
1 Corinthians 15:52
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an
eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet
shall sound, and the dead shall be
raised incorruptible, and we shall all
be changed."
This verse seems to be mentioned
a lot!!!! But what are we missing in it?
All !!! Alll !!!!!!
We shall all be changed and that is not
going to happen till the dead in Christ
who are the sleeping that Jesus will
be bringing with Him are resurrected!!!!
Then go on down to verse 54
Hey guys! Look at this! Note!!!
Death is at that time swallowed up in
victory!!!!!
It will be a post tribulation rapture!!!!
Valerie
Born Again
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Look for it in the ng.
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bobe
I commend you on your recommendation of the KJV.
You say the church will not be raptured until the 7th trumpet. Why say
you this Valeri? Did you not know that it is written:
"But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of
heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36
bobe
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He also takes Egypt out of you!"
VSout41403
Hi BA,
I don't see your posts - So maybe you
can comment here if you want to.
Thanks!
Valerie
VSout41403
Hi Bobe,
>Subject: Re: The rapture is after the tribulation is over!
>From: bobe <elen...@swbell.net>
>Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999 04:28 EST
>Message-id: <369089...@swbell.net>
>
>VSout41403 wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>>
>> Don't be deceived! Check the Scriptures for yourself!!!!!
>>
>> The church will not be raptured till the time of rewards at the 7th
>> trumpet!
>>
>> See Rev. 11:18 Use the KJV!!!!
>>
>> All get changed at the same time - thus no one is seven years before
>> others in the church going to put on immortality.
>>
>> When the rapture happens it is after death has been swallowed up in
>> victory! Thus no other Christians can die!
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>>
>Greeting Valerie,
>
>I commend you on your recommendation of the KJV.
I'm glad you see the new versions are to
be avoided too!
>You say the church will not be raptured until the 7th trumpet. Why say
>you this Valeri?
I say it, because it is true! It is line upon
the Word of God.
Many shout that Jesus is coming back
quickly and then state it proves a pre-
trib rapture.
Does it though?
No!
There is more to the line upon line
application of the Scriptures regarding
that statement.
For in Rev. 22:12 it adds the part about
rewards.
So we can expect Jesus to come quickly
at the time when He brings rewards.
Rev. 22:12 (KJV)
"And behold, I come quickly; and my
reward [is] with me...."
Now putting the Scriptures together it
sends me on a search for when rewards
are given.
I end up at Rev. 11:18
"...and the time of the dead that they should
be judged, and that thou shouldest give
rewards..."
So bingo! No doubt! Here is the rapture!
Fits with all are changed at the same time
too, as the two witnesses get raised from
the dead.
Also fits with death is swallowed up in
victory!
Also here is where the wrath of God will
follow - Rev. 11:18 "...and thy wrath is
come..."
We are not appointed unto wrath, so we
have to be leaving the earth at the time
of verse 11:18.
Did you not know that it is written:
>
>"But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of
>heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36
True, but appointed times are noted as
month, day, hour, and year. I believe we
will know pretty close to the time of His
return.
Valerie
>
>bobe
Robert Knochenmus
> > The church will not be raptured till the time of rewards at the 7th
> > trumpet! See Rev. 11:18 Use the KJV!!!!
> > All get changed at the same time - thus no one is seven years before
> > others in the church going to put on immortality.
> > When the rapture happens it is after death has been swallowed up in
> > victory! Thus no other Christians can die!
> >
> > Valerie
> Greeting Valerie,
> I commend you on your recommendation of the KJV.
>
> "But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of
> heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36
>
Bobe,
This is a common misinterpretation of this verse caused by ignoring the
surrounding scriptures. I guess that is how the pre-trib gospel got started
in the first place. Oh well, here goes:
"(30) At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear
in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They
will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky,
with power and great glory. (31) And he will send his
angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his
elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens
to the other. (32) "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree:
As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out,
you know that summer is near. (33) Even so, when you
see all these things, YOU KNOW that it is near, right at the
door. (34) I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly
not pass away until all these things have happened. (35)
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never
pass away. (36) "No one knows about that day or hour,
not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the
Father."
See what happens when we include all of the applicable scripture? Verse
33 tells us that we who know the signs will know when He will return and
will be ready.
Do not believe what is new and popular and comfortable. Read the scriptures
for yourselves and you will clearly see the historical biblical post-trib
rapture!
- Robert Knochenmus
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