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John Manning

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:50:18 AM12/29/09
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TIME - One year after Israel launched its three-week offensive in Gaza
that killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more
than 50,000 homes in a campaign aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire, the
survivors are still living in rubble.

And it is not for want of money that thousands of residents of the
coastal enclave remain homeless this winter.

Moved by the plight of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinians who were already
reeling from a 2�-year economic siege imposed by Israel with help from
Egypt and the U.S. even before Israel's air-and-ground assault had
begun, international donors earlier this year pledged more than $4.5
billion to repair war damages.

But that aid has failed to reach Gaza, according to Palestinians and
relief agencies who accuse Israel of imposing Kafkaesque rules that bar
from entry vital reconstruction materials and items as innocuous as
glass, most schoolbooks, honey and family-size tubs of margarine.

Says Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works
Agency (UNRWA): "Because the Israelis are not allowing in any
reconstruction material, that $4.5 billion is just a paper figure." With
more than 80% of Gazans now surviving on humanitarian handouts from
UNRWA, Gunness adds, "Palestinians are becoming more desperate and more
extreme." (See pictures of Israeli soldiers sweeping into Gaza.)

Relief officials estimate that Gaza needs 40,000 tons of cement and
25,000 tons of iron to start repairing the homes, hospitals, schools and
shops destroyed during Israel's offensive.

But so far, according to GISHA, an Israeli legal-rights group, the
Israelis have allowed only 19 trucks carrying construction material into
Gaza since the war ended last January.

"You could say that Israel has bombed Gaza back into the mud age," says
UNRWA's Gunness, "because that's what they're building their houses out
of now � mud."

Without parts to replace machinery damaged in the war, 97% of Gaza's
factories have shut down, raising unemployment higher than 43%.

With scarce sources of income, many Gazans would probably starve if not
for food handouts from the U.N. and other agencies.

More than 40,000 Gazans have no electricity; 10,000 have no running
water in their homes; and because Israel bans entry of the spare parts
needed to run Gaza's sewage-treatment plant, every day 87 million liters
of sewage are dumped into the Mediterranean (which washes up on Israel's
beaches too).

Although the international community occasionally protests Gaza's
ongoing tragedy, so far no real pressure has been put on Israel to
loosen its stranglehold.

A senior official in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's right-wing
government recently confided to a U.N. colleague that Israel's goal for
Gaza was "no development, no prosperity, no humanitarian crisis."

The U.N. official interpreted that to mean that Israel would provide
Gaza with an intravenous drip of relief to keep its 1.5 million
inhabitants alive but just barely, in hopes that the people would
overthrow the Hamas government they voted into power in the latest
Palestinian elections.

But that hasn't happened yet, nor is it likely to: Hamas smuggles arms,
money and supplies into Gaza through tunnels from Egypt, and
increasingly, joining the militants has become the only source of a
monthly wage for young males.

In the meantime, says John Ging, UNRWA's chief officer in Gaza, the
Israeli siege is "facilitating the destruction of a civilized society."
Before the siege, Palestinians in Gaza had prided themselves on the
excellence of their schools and industriousness of their workers, many
of whom, in more peaceful times, held jobs across the fence in Israel.

Read more:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1950180,00.html#ixzz0b5aS7eOX

duke

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Dec 31, 2009, 6:44:05 PM12/31/09
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:50:18 -0200, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:

>
>
>TIME - One year after Israel launched its three-week offensive in Gaza
>that killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more
>than 50,000 homes in a campaign aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire, the
>survivors are still living in rubble.

Gosh, this problem would go away if only they stopped militant Islam.

The Dukester, American-American
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Virgil

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Dec 31, 2009, 9:30:22 PM12/31/09
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In article <8pdqj5lka78i1rdbk...@4ax.com>,
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:50:18 -0200, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >TIME - One year after Israel launched its three-week offensive in Gaza
> >that killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more
> >than 50,000 homes in a campaign aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire, the
> >survivors are still living in rubble.
>
> Gosh, this problem would go away if only they stopped militant Islam.

The "problem" is entirely caused by religion, so would not be there in
the first place without the divisiveness and hatred that religions
cause.

livvy

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Jan 1, 2010, 4:12:19 AM1/1/10
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nice quoting a Time article....cheers. This is an historical battle
that began long before one year ago, if you read a book or two, and
didn't get all you "know" from blogs, you'd know that. Fine to
take many things in, just be sure you know what you're talking about.
You can read and learn about all sides of an issue, and make your own
determination. Don't lash at others because you got the latest thing
from the internet .....who can't do that? US has has a lot of our
own internal battles, start at home. If you can go to that region and
make a difference, then you go. Talk is easy and risk-less.

On Dec 29 2009, 9:50 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> TIME - One year after Israel launched its three-week offensive in Gaza
> that killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more
> than 50,000 homes in a campaign aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire, the
> survivors are still living in rubble.
>
> And it is not for want of money that thousands of residents of the
> coastal enclave remain homeless this winter.
>
> Moved by the plight of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinians who were already

> reeling from a 2 -year economic siege imposed by Israel with help from


> Egypt and the U.S. even before Israel's air-and-ground assault had
> begun, international donors earlier this year pledged more than $4.5
> billion to repair war damages.
>
> But that aid has failed to reach Gaza, according to Palestinians and
> relief agencies who accuse Israel of imposing Kafkaesque rules that bar
> from entry vital reconstruction materials and items as innocuous as
> glass, most schoolbooks, honey and family-size tubs of margarine.
>
> Says Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works
> Agency (UNRWA): "Because the Israelis are not allowing in any
> reconstruction material, that $4.5 billion is just a paper figure." With
> more than 80% of Gazans now surviving on humanitarian handouts from
> UNRWA, Gunness adds, "Palestinians are becoming more desperate and more
> extreme." (See pictures of Israeli soldiers sweeping into Gaza.)
>
> Relief officials estimate that Gaza needs 40,000 tons of cement and
> 25,000 tons of iron to start repairing the homes, hospitals, schools and
> shops destroyed during Israel's offensive.
>
> But so far, according to GISHA, an Israeli legal-rights group, the
> Israelis have allowed only 19 trucks carrying construction material into
> Gaza since the war ended last January.
>
> "You could say that Israel has bombed Gaza back into the mud age," says
> UNRWA's Gunness, "because that's what they're building their houses out

> of now mud."

> Read more:http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1950180,00.html#ixzz0b5...

John Manning

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:09:16 AM1/1/10
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livvy wrote:
> nice quoting a Time article....cheers. This is an historical battle
> that began long before one year ago, if you read a book or two, and
> didn't get all you "know" from blogs, you'd know that. Fine to
> take many things in, just be sure you know what you're talking about.
> You can read and learn about all sides of an issue, and make your own
> determination. Don't lash at others because you got the latest thing
> from the internet .....who can't do that? US has has a lot of our
> own internal battles, start at home. If you can go to that region and
> make a difference, then you go. Talk is easy and risk-less.
>


Translation: "As an apologist for the decades long human rights abuses
and oppression of the Palestinian people and the systematic incremental
theft of Palestinian lands by the vastly superior Israeli military power
machine, I will ignore any evidence confirming such egregious human
rights abuses and suggest that readers go elsewhere to get their
information."


Here's some more information that these Israeli apologists will likely
be eager to ignore:


~ Intelligence Found Iran Nuke Document Was Forged - Israel is the
Primary Suspect -

WASHINGTON, Dec 28 (IPS) - U.S. intelligence has concluded that the
document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly
describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper
described as a "neutron initiator" for an atomic weapon, is a
fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official.

Philip Giraldi, who was a CIA counterterrorism official from 1976 to
1992, told IPS that intelligence sources say that the United States had
nothing to do with forging the document, and that Israel is the primary
suspect. The sources do not rule out a British role in the fabrication,
however.

The Times of London story published Dec. 14 did not identify the source
of the document. But it quoted "an Asian intelligence source" - a term
some news media have used for Israeli intelligence officials - as
confirming that his government believes Iran was working on a neutron
initiator as recently as 2007.

The story of the purported Iranian document prompted a new round of
expressions of U.S. and European support for tougher sanctions against
Iran and reminders of Israel's threats to attack Iranian nuclear
programme targets if diplomacy fails.

U.S. news media reporting has left the impression that U.S. intelligence
analysts have not made up their mind about the document's authenticity,
although it has been widely reported that they have now had a full year
to assess the issue.

Giraldi's intelligence sources did not reveal all the reasons that led
analysts to conclude that the purported Iran document had been
fabricated by a foreign intelligence agency. But their suspicions of
fraud were prompted in part by the source of the story, according to
Giraldi.

"The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false
intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British
government," Giraldi said.

The Times is part of a Murdoch publishing empire that includes the
Sunday Times, Fox News and the New York Post. All Murdoch-owned news
media report on Iran with an aggressively pro-Israeli slant.

The document itself also had a number of red flags suggesting possible
or likely fraud.

The subject of the two-page document which the Times published in
English translation would be highly classified under any state's
security system. Yet there is no confidentiality marking on the
document, as can be seen from the photograph of the Farsi-language
original published by the Times.

The absence of security markings has been cited by the Iranian
ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Ali Asghar
Soltanieh, as evidence that the "alleged studies" documents, which were
supposedly purloined from an alleged Iranian nuclear weapons-related
programme early in this decade, are forgeries.

The document also lacks any information identifying either the issuing
office or the intended recipients. The document refers cryptically to
"the Centre", "the Institute", "the Committee", and the "neutron group".

The document's extreme vagueness about the institutions does not appear
to match the concreteness of the plans, which call for hiring eight
individuals for different tasks for very specific numbers of hours for a
four-year time frame.

Including security markings and such identifying information in a
document increases the likelihood of errors that would give the fraud away.

The absence of any date on the document also conflicts with the
specificity of much of the information. The Times reported that
unidentified "foreign intelligence agencies" had dated the document to
early 2007, but gave no reason for that judgment.

An obvious motive for suggesting the early 2007 date is that it would
discredit the U.S. intelligence community's November 2007 National
Intelligence Estimate, which concluded that Iran had discontinued
unidentified work on nuclear weapons and had not resumed it as of the
time of the estimate.

Discrediting the NIE has been a major objective of the Israeli
government for the past two years, and the British and French
governments have supported the Israeli effort.

The biggest reason for suspecting that the document is a fraud is its
obvious effort to suggest past Iranian experiments related to a neutron
initiator. After proposing experiments on detecting pulsed neutrons, the
document refers to "locations where such experiments used to be conducted".

That reference plays to the widespread assumption, which has been
embraced by the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran had
carried out experiments with Polonium-210 in the late 1980s, indicating
an interest in neutron initiators. The IAEA referred in reports from
2004 through 2007 to its belief that the experiment with Polonium-210
had potential relevance to making "a neutron initiator in some designs
of nuclear weapons".

The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political arm of
the terrorist organisation Mujahedeen-e Khalq, claimed in February 2005
that Iran's research with Polonium-210 was continuing and that it was
now close to producing a neutron initiator for a nuclear weapon.

Sanger and Broad were so convinced that the Polonium-210 experiments
proved Iran's interest in a neutron initiator that they referred in
their story on the leaked document to both the IAEA reports on the
experiments in the late 1980s and the claim by NCRI of continuing
Iranian work on such a nuclear trigger.

What Sanger and Broad failed to report, however, is that the IAEA has
acknowledged that it was mistaken in its earlier assessment that the
Polonium-210 experiments were related to a neutron initiator.

After seeing the complete documentation on the original project,
including complete copies of the reactor logbook for the entire period,
the IAEA concluded in its Feb. 22, 2008 report that Iran's explanations
that the Polonium-210 project was fundamental research with the eventual
aim of possible application to radio isotope batteries was "consistent
with the Agency's findings and with other information available to it".

The IAEA report said the issue of Polonium-210 � and thus the earlier
suspicion of an Iranian interest in using it as a neutron initiator for
a nuclear weapon - was now considered "no longer outstanding".

New York Times reporters David Sanger and William J. Broad reported U.S.
intelligence officials as saying the intelligence analysts "have yet to
authenticate the document". Sanger and Broad explained the failure to do
so, however, as a result of excessive caution left over from the CIA's
having failed to brand as a fabrication the document purporting to show
an Iraqi effort to buy uranium in Niger.

The Washington Post's Joby Warrick dismissed the possibility that the
document might be found to be fraudulent. "There is no way to establish
the authenticity or original source of the document...," wrote Warrick.

But the line that the intelligence community had authenticated it
evidently reflected the Barack Obama administration's desire to avoid
undercutting a story that supports its efforts to get Russian and
Chinese support for tougher sanctions against Iran.

This is not the first time that Giraldi has been tipped off by his
intelligence sources on forged documents. Giraldi identified the
individual or office responsible for creating the two most notorious
forged documents in recent U.S. intelligence history.

In 2005, Giraldi identified Michael Ledeen, the extreme right-wing
former consultant to the National Security Council and the Pentagon, as
an author of the fabricated letter purporting to show Iraqi interest in
purchasing uranium from Niger. That letter was used by the George W.
Bush administration to bolster its false case that Saddam Hussein had an
active nuclear weapons programme.

Giraldi also identified officials in the "Office of Special Plans" who
worked under Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith as
having forged a letter purportedly written by Hussein's intelligence
director, Tahir Jalail Habbush al-Tikriti, to Hussein himself referring
to an Iraqi intelligence operation to arrange for an unidentified
shipment from Niger.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49833

livvy

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Jan 2, 2010, 3:50:49 AM1/2/10
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How dare you, sluggo, there is no "Translation" required. I'll say
what I want, as I'm allowed, you continue to cut and paste all the
crap you want, as you are allowed. But don't ever insinuate yourself
into anything I say, it has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with
you. Be clear on this matter....

> The IAEA report said the issue of Polonium-210 – and thus the earlier

> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

John Manning

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Jan 2, 2010, 6:57:20 AM1/2/10
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livvy wrote:
> How dare you, sluggo, there is no "Translation" required. I'll say
> what I want, as I'm allowed, you continue to cut and paste all the
> crap you want, as you are allowed. But don't ever insinuate yourself
> into anything I say, it has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with
> you. Be clear on this matter....
>

Grow up, twit. Israel is on the world community's shit list because of
its egregious decades long human rights abuses and oppression of the

Palestinian people and the systematic incremental theft of Palestinian

lands by its vastly superior military power machine.

Being an apologist for Israeli policies and therefor being complicit in
Israel's war crimes and human rights abuses, you're incapable of
admitting that truth.

Here's a documented example published in Israel's Haaretz newspaper of
Israel's systematic incremental theft of Palestinian lands:

~ Secret Israeli database reveals full extent of illegal settlements ~
Article here: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1060043.html

>> The IAEA report said the issue of Polonium-210 � and thus the earlier

>> read more �- Hide quoted text -

Day Brown

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Jan 3, 2010, 2:46:25 PM1/3/10
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Virgil wrote:
> The "problem" is entirely caused by religion, so would not be there in
> the first place without the divisiveness and hatred that religions
> cause.
"Religion" is not limited to the Levantine, which agreed is awful. But I
note there has been less violence among Confucianism, Taoism, and
Buddhism over the course of the last 2500 years than among the Levantine
traditions in the last 25.

And while Israel may block trade into Gaza from its side, it cant do so
from the Egyptian side. Which I read is now trying to put up its own
wall. WTF?

Gaza has become a magnet for, as Nietzsche put it, "the rancor of
impotence", attracting zealots whose innate aggressive instincts have
been justified by Levantine scripture. Which, if you recall, early on
has Joshua doing to the land of Canaan what we now call 'genocide'.

The area has been the home of genocidal thugs ever since, for their sons
are just like them. If we can breed violent dangerous aggressive dogs
like pit bulls, we see how the power elites have bred thugs for similar
reasons. Who are now attracted to Gaza, in large part because the power
elites no longer have a use for them.

Day Brown

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Jan 3, 2010, 2:53:39 PM1/3/10
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livvy wrote:
> How dare you, sluggo, there is no "Translation" required. I'll say
> what I want, as I'm allowed, you continue to cut and paste all the
> crap you want, as you are allowed. But don't ever insinuate yourself
> into anything I say, it has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with
> you. Be clear on this matter....
Oh, he's perfectly clear. Dr. Freud said neurotics cant tolerate
ambiguity. Thus, we see them jump to conclusions based on inadequate
information and then zealously defend whatever their position is, with
the idea that only their side has the truth, and all other views are lies.

Gaza attracts such neurotic zealots, and the insanity has reached the
stage where even the Egyptians are building a wall trying to control
their side of the border.

Granted, the Israelis would do well to get up to speed on psychological
analysis and quit with the iron fist. Course, they have their own
zealots who have stable careers using brute force.

Tim McGaughy

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:09:07 AM1/4/10
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Day Brown wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
>> The "problem" is entirely caused by religion, so would not be there in
>> the first place without the divisiveness and hatred that religions cause.
> "Religion" is not limited to the Levantine, which agreed is awful. But I
> note there has been less violence among Confucianism, Taoism, and
> Buddhism over the course of the last 2500 years than among the Levantine
> traditions in the last 25.
>
> And while Israel may block trade into Gaza from its side, it cant do so
> from the Egyptian side.

Yes, actually, it can. Egypt has treaty obligations that were originally
agreed to in order to remove Israeli settlements from the Gaza Strip.
One cannot legally cross the Egyptian border without gaining permission
from Israel first.

It's worth noting that Egypt has been notoriously lax in policing for
smuggling tunnels.

Which I read is now trying to put up its own
> wall. WTF?

There's already a wall, built by the Israelis. It's being renovated,
with help from the U.S.

John Manning

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Jan 4, 2010, 10:20:24 AM1/4/10
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This is an example of minimizing the gross human rights abuses and
blatant injustices of a decades long oppressive occupation by a vastly
superior military power machine. And it comes from a pseudo-intellectual
religionist buffoon.

livvy

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Jan 7, 2010, 1:51:10 AM1/7/10
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> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

and if you'd spent a minute paying attention in school, or in church,
or reading, you'd know better. Your education is from the internet,
as you see fit. Who can't do that? Searching around for stuff
that suits your limited knowledge base....it's out there, and....oh,
crap, who cares. It's all way more than what you think.....because
you don't. Find something to do.

John Manning

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Jan 7, 2010, 7:06:38 AM1/7/10
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>>>> The IAEA report said the issue of Polonium-210 � and thus the earlier


This dim bulb simply can't handle the facts.

Day Brown

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Jan 8, 2010, 12:45:52 AM1/8/10
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The posted report is about a wall being put up by Egypt.

Tim McGaughy

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Jan 8, 2010, 12:17:24 PM1/8/10
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There's already a wall there. The wall that is being built is an
underground extension to it to block smuggler tunnels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/world/middleeast/24gaza.html
It's worth noting that President Mubarak didn't seem very concerned when
the Rafah wall was destroyed.

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/MUMA-7Z94NZ?OpenDocument
The new one is underground.

And the only thing it'll accomplish is to make the smuggler tunnels a
bit deeper.

duke

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Jan 8, 2010, 3:06:56 PM1/8/10
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:50:18 -0200, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:


All they have to do to live a wonderful life is put down the guns.

>TIME - One year after Israel launched its three-week offensive in Gaza
>that killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more
>than 50,000 homes in a campaign aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire, the
>survivors are still living in rubble.
>
>And it is not for want of money that thousands of residents of the
>coastal enclave remain homeless this winter.
>
>Moved by the plight of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinians who were already

>reeling from a 2�-year economic siege imposed by Israel with help from


>Egypt and the U.S. even before Israel's air-and-ground assault had
>begun, international donors earlier this year pledged more than $4.5
>billion to repair war damages.
>
>But that aid has failed to reach Gaza, according to Palestinians and
>relief agencies who accuse Israel of imposing Kafkaesque rules that bar
>from entry vital reconstruction materials and items as innocuous as
>glass, most schoolbooks, honey and family-size tubs of margarine.
>
>Says Chris Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works
>Agency (UNRWA): "Because the Israelis are not allowing in any
>reconstruction material, that $4.5 billion is just a paper figure." With
>more than 80% of Gazans now surviving on humanitarian handouts from
>UNRWA, Gunness adds, "Palestinians are becoming more desperate and more
>extreme." (See pictures of Israeli soldiers sweeping into Gaza.)
>
>Relief officials estimate that Gaza needs 40,000 tons of cement and
>25,000 tons of iron to start repairing the homes, hospitals, schools and
>shops destroyed during Israel's offensive.
>
>But so far, according to GISHA, an Israeli legal-rights group, the
>Israelis have allowed only 19 trucks carrying construction material into
>Gaza since the war ended last January.
>
>"You could say that Israel has bombed Gaza back into the mud age," says
>UNRWA's Gunness, "because that's what they're building their houses out

>of now � mud."

The Dukester, American-American

WangoTango

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Jan 8, 2010, 3:24:28 PM1/8/10
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In article <924fk598r59hudhfd...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

>
> All they have to do to live a wonderful life is put down the guns.

Yep, every time Israel gives them concessions they use the time to build
up missile sites and rearm themselves. Funny how 'they' are crying for
food and housing when they seem to have all the time, money, and energy
to set up, buy, and use missiles and other arms.
The bottom line is exactly what you said, just put down the guns and go
on with their lives.

Day Brown

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Jan 9, 2010, 1:48:27 AM1/9/10
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
> http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/MUMA-7Z94NZ?OpenDocument
> The new one is underground.
>
> And the only thing it'll accomplish is to make the smuggler tunnels a
> bit deeper.
As may be. Why the Egyptians are not smart enuf to install acoustic
sensors to identify digging is an interesting question.

There has always been lip service support of Palestinians, yet nobody
will let them into any other Islamic culture. Its indicative that in the
nearly 2000 years since Trajan hauled off the indigenous owners of the
land to Rome, and replaced them with Romans, who were replaced with
Byzantines, then Islamic emirates, then Ottomans and Brits, not once was
the 'Palestinian' population in control of the land.

Note, Trajan left the slave population there to be taken over, as did
every subsequent ruling elite. I daresay the "Jews" have treated the
"Palestinians" better than any previous rulers. There must be a reason
that during all that time, they could never get their own house in order.

Tim McGaughy

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Jan 9, 2010, 6:18:36 AM1/9/10
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Day Brown wrote:
> Tim McGaughy wrote:
>> http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/MUMA-7Z94NZ?OpenDocument
>> The new one is underground.
>>
>> And the only thing it'll accomplish is to make the smuggler tunnels a
>> bit deeper.
> As may be. Why the Egyptians are not smart enuf to install acoustic
> sensors to identify digging is an interesting question.

They're smart enough. But they maintain an ongoing relationship with Hamas.

> There has always been lip service support of Palestinians, yet nobody
> will let them into any other Islamic culture.

Nobody is interested in allowing Israel to take over the unoccupied land
once the palestinians have moved. This includes the palestinians
themselves, who consider it their home. There are, however, plenty of
people who will smuggle food, supplies, and weapons to them.


> Its indicative that in the
> nearly 2000 years since Trajan hauled off the indigenous owners of the
> land to Rome, and replaced them with Romans, who were replaced with
> Byzantines, then Islamic emirates, then Ottomans and Brits, not once was
> the 'Palestinian' population in control of the land.

Indicative of what?

> Note, Trajan left the slave population there to be taken over, as did
> every subsequent ruling elite. I daresay the "Jews" have treated the
> "Palestinians" better than any previous rulers. There must be a reason
> that during all that time, they could never get their own house in order.

The Israelis periodically bomb them whenever they try to achieve
something. When they left, they destroyed the airport they left behind,
ripping the runway apart with explosives. When the palestinians tried
building a seaport with the backing of a couple of foreign companies,
the israelis bombed it daily until construction was halted.

Day Brown

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Jan 9, 2010, 6:49:26 PM1/9/10
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Tim McGaughy wrote:
> Indicative of what?
Indicative of the fact that they have too many chiefs and not enuf
Indians to ever get organized under any indigenous government. That
would require compromise, which is not something to be tolerated in the
Koran.

Jews however, even back in Roman times, were known for adaptability to
whatever the power structure demanded. Gibbon is quite clear about how
Jews held multiple opinions; and in business already (Emperor Claudius
bitches about how Jews took over all the shops in Rome), compromise is
absolutely essential.

And sure, there are Zionist zealots in Israel; after all we have the
term 'zealot' from the siege of Jerusalem. And sure, they get out of
hand, and the government often turns a blind eye to abuses. But where do
we see the Palestinians themselves ever treat those among them that they
disagree with any better?

No. Palestine has been a magnet for Islamic zealots, who have sired sons
just like them, as they intended, and now no nobody else in the Islamic
world wants to have to try to control them. Easier to just try to keep
them bottled up in Palestine.

The modern "Jews" are misunderstood as well. For one thing, Ashkenazic
Jews, who actually run Israel, are the descendants, not of Semites, but
the Aryan Khazar elite who for political/economic expediency (typically
brilliant) converted to Judism in the late 9th century. But from then,
until the founding of Israel, never have they run their own local power
structures. Which were always in Christian hands.

So, from time to time, the Christian honchos and goon squads would come
thru the ghetto, and snatch up any attractive hotties they saw. Doing
the Jews a huge favor by removing airheads from their gene pool. This is
in sharp contrast to the Palestinians who wanted women stupid, obedient,
barefoot, and pregnant. Who then bore sons wanting to dominate as their
fathers had, but- as we see, lacking the talent to succeed at it.

Meanwhile, if a Jewess saw a goy with promising talent, there was no way
the rabbis could stop her from adding his talents to the Jewish gene
pool. The rabbis didnt control city hall.

hypa...@comcast.net

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On Dec 31 2009, 6:44 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:50:18 -0200, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >TIME - One year after Israel launched its three-week offensive in Gaza
> >that killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more
> >than 50,000 homes in a campaign aimed at stopping Hamas rocket fire, the
> >survivors are still living in rubble.
>
> Gosh, this problem would go away if only they stopped militant Islam.
>
Go look for your red cow somewhere else, Earl. We aren't interested.
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