The Ernie/Farrel story...start here:
Rocky
and Farrel:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.baldspot/browse_frm/thread/564a342706b74978/8c8f763eb16415bd?q=ERnie%27s+lies+%2B+US+Merchant+%2B+Rocky&rnum=1#8c8f763eb16415bd
-----REPOST FROM TOP OF LINKED THREAD-----
Ernie has posted so many lies on this ng that even he cannot keep them
straight anymore. The following is only an incomplete listing of some
of Ernie's many lies...I encourage others to add their additions to
this thread so that newbies have an archived resource to refer to when
attempting to wade through Ernie's many posted lies, evasions, and
mis-/dis-information.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that he and others have been regrowing their
hair for years using his "method".
THE TRUTH: Ernie has never posted even one single shred of credible
evidence to support this spurious claim. Since Ernie first appeared on
this ng back in 1998 only 1 other person has independently posted that
they have regrown their hair using Ernie's method. That person is
"Homer", a documented troll and uncritical sycophantic shill for
Ernie. Homer's suspect very first post to this ng demonstrates a
combined lack of intelligence, honesty and integrity and can be found
here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=d0abaeee.0204...
THE LIE: When a mirror site of Ernie's old US Merchant webpage was
hosted on Geocities, Ernie tried to distance himself from that
embarrasing site by claiming that Farrel, a website operater that
Ernie apparently views as his competition, created it as a "fake page"
and "played a shell game with his before/after pics".
THE TRUTH: Farrel saved an exact HTML copy of Ernie's old US Merchant
site along with the original pictures, and any variations of the code
was due to the transfer process. Ernie also gave multiple
contradictory explainations for why his before/after pics showed no
discernable results, including his oft-repeated claim that Farrel
played a "shell game" with them...without ever once clearly explaining
what exactly the "shell game" was that was supposedly "played". After
Ernie's US Merchant before/after pics were discovered by this ng, and
BEFORE Ernie claimed that Farrel played a "shell game" with his pics,
this thread contains some of the excuses he was using back in 2001:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=26591-3AC7...
Here is a link to an archived text-only copy of Ernie's US Merchant
website, a classic textbook example of a psuedo-scientific snakoil
scam, can be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010410195030/http://www.usmerchant.com/h...
THE LIE: Ernie claims that all people who disagree with his "beliefs"
and "method" are actually all Farrel posting under "fake names", or
just competing "snakeoil salesmen" who "don't want a cure" as it would
be "bad for their business".
THE TRUTH: Ernie is either suffering from dementia along with the
symptoms of classic paranoid-delusion, or he is simply a liar. It
hasn't helped his case that he has presented exactly ZERO evidence of
any kind to buttress his many false claims against others. Ironically
enough, the only person on this ng that has been proven many times
over to have actually sold and endorsed snakeoil* is...Ernie Primeau.
*The Hair Loss Solution (tm), and FNS
THE LIE: Ernie claims that Farrel stole his idea and endorsed FNS, a
failed snakeoil scam that Ernie claimed worked the same as his
"method".
THE TRUTH: Farrel never endorsed FNS, he covered it's release on his
website along with interviewing the principals involved and set up a
user trial to gauge it's effectiveness. The results were
overwhemingly negative, as reported by many users on Farrel's website,
and FNS faded away as yet another worthless treatment. Thanks to
Farrel the truth about FNS was discovered and transmitted to people
all over the world before they spent the money on a worthless product.
FNS was based on Pillel, a treatment for wound healing that utilized
a growth-hormone factor as one of it's main ingredients. FNS
attempted to mimic this gf-factor by using cinnamon, but the product
didn't work. FNS had NOTHING to do worth Ernie's method of
"redirecting nutrients (DHT) to the scalp hair follicles". The only
two things that FNS and Ernie's method have in common is that people
lost their hard-earned money on them, and they don't work.
THE LIE: Ernie claims he has discovered the "cure" for MPB.
THE TRUTH: Plucking body hair to grow scalp hair was an old-wives
tale that has been discredited over time for the simple reason that it
has been proven to not work. If Ernie's method really worked than why
isn't this and other ng's and websites deluged with ecstatic
responders reporting their success to others? This is what you can
expect to accomplish if you were to use Ernie's method for a minimum
of 5 years: http://axlrools.freeservers.com/whats_new.html
The fact is that there are currently no known "cures" for MPB, only
various "treatments" that work to varying degrees for some people.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that nobody has ever shed themselves a full
head of hair.
THE TRUTH: Hair grows in cycles, and the shedding process is a
continuous life-long process. Shed hair is replaced by new hair in
cycles, unless the follicle is impeded from regrowing due to factors
known to include disease, inflammation, fibrosis, and DHT "attacking"
the hair follicle. For more info see the studies conducted by Dr.'s
Sawaya and Uno among others.
THE LIE: Ernie claims he has nothing to sell and "there is not one
honest person who can post that I have ever spammed anybody".
THE TRUTH: Ernie began immediately spamming this ng with his snakeoil
when he first appeared in 1999, and only stopped after Farrel exposed
him and his US Merchant webpage. He admitted to spending $80,000 on
his "The Hair Loss Solution (tm)" scam, and now has reinvented himself
as a phony hair loss victim advocate in order to continue to fleece
unsuspecting newbies in his ongoing effort to recoup a portion of his
financial investment. He hopes that people will contact him at his
WebTv address, where he can unload the remainder of his unsold stock
of saw palmetto solution on them, and if they are lucky he will throw
in a copy of his shitty xeroxed pamphlet full of psuedo-scientific
bullshit and misinformation. To see a thread full of examples of
Ernie's spamming past, check this out:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ernie+photos+http+group:alt.baldspo...
THE LIE: Farrel is a snakeoiler because he sold magnetic hair
brushes.
THE TRUTH: Everybody but Ernie apparently knows that hair brushes are
for brushing hair, not regrowing it.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that "what grows hair if not androgens".
THE TRUTH: Androgens grow body hair, but in some people the androgen
DHT "attacks" the receptors of the scalp hair follicle thereby
initiating the onset of MPB.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that Dr. Higano's study validates his "method".
THE TRUTH: Dr. Higano's study was titled "Androgen Deprivation
Therapy", not "Body Hair Deprivation Therapy" and Dr. Higano concluded
that depriving the body of circulating androgens can cause scalp hair
regrowth. If her conclusions were, as you falsely claim, due to some
secondary affect of androgen deprivation inhibiting body hair growth
(which it does because body hair and scalp hair are scientifically
proven to react differently to the presence of the androgen DHT)
thereby freeing up "nutrients" which flow to the scalp and "revive"
those follicles, then she would have noted it. She didn't, and her
conclusions are yet another nail in your coffin...body and scalp hair
ARE different, and anti-androgen treatments ARE effective in some
people for regrowing scalp hair.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that the Laval U. Study validates his "method"
THE TRUTH: Here is a link to the study, which is concerned with
treating women suffering from excessive body hair growth:
http://www.fernand.labrie.crchul.ulaval.ca/flabrie/pub/241.htm
"Objective: To compare the clinical efficacy and safety of the pure
antiandrogen flutamide and the steroidal derivative spironolactone in
the treatment of hirsutism in women."
That was a study on treating Hirsutism, which is a condition of
excessive BODY hair. In genetically susceptible individuals SCALP hair
follicles react differently than BODY hair follicles to the presence
of the androgen DHT:
A report by Dr Sawaya states that in humans, all hair growth requires
androgenic stimulli, except that on the scalp {even though all scalp
follicles have androgen receptors}. In genetically susceptible
subjects, some hair follicles in frontal and vertex regions of the
scalp respond to androgens by a reduced length of the anagen phase,
and regression of the follicles to produce finer, thinner hairs.
Dr. Higano's study completely contradicts your "theory". If
suppressing androgens causes scalp hair regrowth, then that confirms
the findings of Dr. Sawaya and her associates in the field. DHT is
attacking the hair follicles on the SCALP. Suppressing the DHT allows
the SCALP hair to regrow.
I'll take Dr. Sawaya's opinion, along with her professional associates
in the field, over your uneducated and misinformed armchair
speculations, thanks.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that there is only one cause and one cure for
MPB that will work for all...his "method".
THE TRUTH: What Ernie doesn't seem to understand, or doesn't WANT to
understand because
it would conflict with his reasoning for his "method" is that MPB in
humans is
a very complicated process that involves a number of different
mechanisms. It has become apparent that androgens, while a definite
factor in the onset of MPB, are not the only factor involved and not
the only factor to address, and those of
us that utilize a multi-modal approach (kitchen-sink) to treating MPB
have taken this into account when formulating our regimens.
Hideo Uno, an expert on MPB, explained that macaques respond more
favorably to baldness treatments than do humans...especially to
antiandrogen treatments, macaques get better and more consistent
results because macaque baldness is purely a genetic and
androgen-driven disease. Human baldness is much more
complicated, hence decreased results and a whole range of responses to
various treatments, due to the fact that human baldness involves
inflammation
and fibrosis. According to Dr. Uno, this is the key difference
between macaque and human baldness, along with the fact that macaques
are not exposed to other factors which inhibit hair growth, like
stress, smoking, poor diets/insulin resistance, etc.
Inflammation generates a slew of potent hair growth inhibitors (IL-1,
TNF-alpha, TGF-beta1, etc.), and since fibrosis scars the structure of
the follicle itself,
this explains the difference in results between humans and macaques.
THE LIE: Ernie claims that I have "already admitted that he and his
ilk are here
only to harrass me for getting them to expose themselves for the liars
and crooks they are".
THE TRUTH: Here is my original post that Ernie always uses to claim
that I "admitted" that we are harrassing him because he exposed us
"for the liars and crooks (we) are". See if you can find that
admission anywhere in the following post:
>> From:Rocky (r...@volcanomail.com)
>> Re: Voice your opinion on Scott
>> Date:2003-05-31 18:56:19 PST
>> All this harrassement that you are enduring is payback for you
>> destroying the integrity and validity of this newsgroup. It's what
>> you've done to others, delivered back in spades. Payback's a
bitch,
>> isn't it, Primeau?
>> Rocky
THE LIE: Ernie lies to claim that he "was right about dutasteride
causing such severe shedding that it would never be marketed for hair
loss".
THE TRUTH: Dutasteride was not marketed as a hair regrowth treatment
because,
according to Glaxo, the 'market analysis did not justify proceeding
with the Phase III Clinical Trials'. Propecia has had relatively poor
sales as far as Merck was concerned, and Glaxo was concerned that the
drug would not
make enough money after costs (advertising, FDA trial expenditures,
etc.) when competing head on with Propecia, the first oral
anti-androgen
treatment to hit the marketplace.
The unofficial story was that because Phase III trials were not
undertaken there were many unanswered questions regarding Dutasteride
such as it's short and long-term safety, toxicity, half-life,
contraindications with other drugs, etc. Phase
III Clinical Trials are designed to determine how well a drug works in
a large number of people. This helps to 'fine tune' dosage
amounts and to ensure a drug's safety and effectiveness. Without this
information we cannot be assured of a drug's safety and efficacy.
Some people that have been using Dutasteride HAVE reported shedding,
but others HAVE NOT so it is false and uninformed of you to make a
generalization that dutasteride "causes severe shedding" in all users.
Some users have reported positive results, but as we all know not all
treatments work as well for all people...especially when you are
dealing with hormone manipulation. There seem to be too many
variables that can tip the impact of the drug one way or the other.
For the record, I DO NOT use dutasteride, nor do I advocate it's
usage...but I am interested in monitoring user results over time.
There are a whole range of factors (genetic, stress, age,
environmental, physical, etc...) to explain why some people will not
respond favorably to treatments such as Dutasteride and Propecia
(Finasteride).
The question for me to you really is WHY DO YOU COMPLETELY DISCOUNT
ALL THE RANGE OF *POSITIVE* EXPERIENCES THAT POSTERS ON THIS AND OTHER
SITES HAVE REPORTED CONCERNING ANTI-ANDROGENS? No one is denying that
some people have reported negative results. If some people have had
positive experiences, and some have had negative experiences...then
that INVALIDATES your claim that "there is only one cause and one cure
for MPB that will work for all".
To Be Continued...
----END REPOST----
Rocky
Rocky
to the linked thread at the top of my post and use all the links
embedded in the original post.
Rocky
Rocky
err...@webtv.net (Ernie Primeau) wrote in message
<news:1125-402...@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net>...
> I have posted pics,
...showing NO results.
> testimonials,
...obviously fake. "Tyrone Z." anyone?
> offered to let members to speak to Scott
> and Col.Parker.
...and then played a "shell game" by pulling the offer whever anyone
cared to take you up on it.
> I offer to meet with anyone within a 3 hour drive from
> Tampa so they can see my results.They refuse.
...so we all have to fly to Florida and the rent a car to drive to
meet you? That's idiotic, just post your fucking pics and stop making
excuses. You claim that you've cured MPB...where's the proof?
> But the best evidence that my method woks is the snake oilers
behavior
> in trying to discredit me.
...you call everyone that presents documented clinical evidence that
refutes your "method" a "snakoiler". You call everyone that asks you
hard questions about your "method" a "snakoiler". You call everyone
that demands clear proof that your "method" really works a
"snakeoiler". You call everyone that has experienced positive results
using other treatments "a snakeoiler". Everyone else is a
"snakeoiler", yet you are the only person on this ng that has actually
sold "snakeoil". You lie about others, and then you use that lie to
justify your beliefs. You are a deluded fool.
> You see the lies,deceptions,forgeries and
> doctored pics.That speaks volumes.
This speaks volumes: http://axlrools.freeservers.com/whats_new.html
Honest people don't do that.
> We all know that it was the proven liar,crook,forger and asshole
farrel
> who created the geo pages.
It was an HTML copy of your old US Merchant site, including the
original pics you posted on that site:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010410195030/http://www.usmerchant.com/h...
> I never dre4amed that i would get so much
> mileage out of it.it allowed me to point out that he was a skilled
> forger and doctorer of pics on a daily base for morte than a year.I
am
> glad rockhead is giving me another go.
You're welcome. Your revisionist spin is fooling nobody. You spent
years attempting to distance yourself from that site and only recently
admitted that it was a copy of your former US Merchant snakeoil site.
For the longest time you were very Clintonesque in pretending to not
know what the word "copy" means. You also had many excuses for your
before/after pics, and for a short time you even claimed that the pics
were not the ones originally up on that site...you eventually admitted
that they were the original pics. You also claimed that Farrel played
a "shell game" with your pics, but never clearly explained what
exactly the deception was supposed to be. After
Ernie's US Merchant before/after pics were discovered by this ng, and
BEFORE Ernie claimed that Farrel played a "shell game" with his pics,
this thread contains some of the excuses he was using back in 2001:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=26591-3AC7...
> Has anybody seen me accuse rockhead of being farrel?.We have all
seen
> farrel admit to being different posters,like enalg.
Post your proof. You make all kinds of baseless claims, but you never
opost any proof to back up your dubious assertions.
> More lies from rockhead,it was farrel who was promoting FNS.
Providing an open forum where users posted many negative experiences
with FNS, and conducting a user study which concluded that FNS was
worthless hardly constitutes an "endorsement" of the treatment. FNS
was thought to be a promising treatment option, but through the
process of discovery, of which Farrel played a large part, the truth
of it's ineffectiveness came out.
> I pointed
> out that if it worked,it would do the same as my method.get the
needed
> nutrirnts to grow hair to the scalp follicles and revive them.
It was exactly the same as your method...it was snakeoil that didn't
work.
> Now he claims farrel was not endorsing FNS,merely promoting it all
> over the place and conducting a study.I had a discussion with Steve
at
> Osmotics and know how involved farrel was with FNS.
Oh yeah, why don't you tell us how that conversation went?
> Would anyone in his right mind post anything positive about my
method
> knowing the abuse they would get from rockhead and the rest of the
snake
> oil pushing assholes like him.
That's the excuse you use to explain away the fact that NOBODY has
EVER posted ANYTHNG testifying to the effectiveness of your "method".
If a slew of people were posting that your method actually worked, I
can gaurantee you that I would reconsider it and take a second
look...but as of now that has never happened and your "beliefs" and
"theories" are contradicted by all the information currently
available.
> But we have seen many posts from hair loss
> victims who loss their hair and money from the use of their
> crap,services and advice.
Unfortunately not all treatments work for all people. There are no
"cures" for MPB at this time, only treatments. You ignore this simple
fact and focus on the negative responders while calling all those who
have had positive results using various treatments to be
"snakeoilers". You're an scamming, lying idiot who peddles
misinformation.
> He still has not produced one person who has shed himself a head of
> hair.
Everyone has shed themselves a head of hair. Hair grows in
overlapping cycles and shed hair is being constantly replaced by new
hairs. When shed hair stops being replaced due to various factors we
have the onset of MPB. Some current treatments allow some people to
prolong these cycles, replace some of the shed hair, or maintain their
current hair volume for longer...but over time the shedding will still
occur. Current treatments only allow us to buy more time until more
effective treatments, or a cure, are discovered.
> And Sawaya and the rest of her ilk has caused more hair loss in
> more people than dht ever will.
Wrong. You've caused more hair loss in more people than Dr. Sawaya
and her worldwide associates in the field that are working to advance
the body of knowledge concerning the cause and treatment of hair loss.
> Another lie from rockhead,farrel exposed nothing,except what a liar
and
> crook he is.It was me who told the ng that I had a web page,a poster
> named kaneeshewa or something like that told farrel where to find
it.in
> all of his gratitude farrel later stabbed him in he back.
Oh really? Sounds like an interesting story...fill us in.
> The proven
> liar,crook,forger and asshole late challenged me to post how my
method
> worked.I did so.I figured it was the easiest and cheapest way to get
my
> method known.
Why did it have to take Farrel "challenging" you to post how your
"method" works to make you realize that it was an easy and cheap way
to get your "method" known? I mean, did the fact that this is an OPEN
FORUM where people used to be able to FREELY share information and
experiences completely escape your notice? The truth was that you
attempted to spam this ng and make back some of the $80K you admitted
that you spent on starting up your The Hair Loss Solution (tm) scam
before Farrel called you on it, and forced you to freely tell the
group what you were trying to sell to them:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ernieprim...@my-Deja.com
(ernieprim...@my-Deja.com)
Subject: Re: question for ernieprimeau
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1999/08/21
if my knowledge of indian lore is correct,a moon was 28 days.i have
been on this ng for one week to give all who are suffering from hair
loss the cause and yes i am at the same time promoting my brochure
"the hair loss solution"tm.i ask $10 for it because i have spent
about$80,00O on this remedy and the costs are mounting. it is only a
matter of time before the truth is accepted and all the snake oil
salesmen are out of business and this is why i under attack by them.if
you want to know how to get the information you need to make a
decision on this e-mail ernie prim...@my-deja.com best wishes ernie
From: KaneeshiWa
(kaneesh...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: question for ernieprimeau
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1999/08/22
I don't remember trying to sell anything therefore how could I be a
snakeoil salesman Ernie? I just see you for what you are.
From: John
(johnhunte...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: question for ernieprimeau
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Date: 1999/08/22
Ernie
Could you explain how you spent/invested $80,000. on the solution? A
friend who recieved your brochure shared it with me and it is
extremely simple, I can't envision how you invested more than a few
hundred dollars, if that.
Also, I've been to your website and your before and after pictures
don't look that different. What's up with that?
BTW, I'm not denying that you have had results or putting you down,
but in the interests of fairness, please answer these questions.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ernie+photos+http+group:alt.baldspo...
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> The snake oilers immedietly knew that i was right and you
> have seen them stoop to every type of lie and deceit in an attempt to
> discredit me,instead they showed the group just what they are,liars
and
> crooks out to rob hair loss victims of their money and hair.I am
> grateful to rockhead for taking the time to give me an opportunity to
> point out their evil ways.
It appears that everyone on here was seriously questioning your
claims. Your reaction was to start calling them all "snakeoilers"
even though none of them were selling anything except for you. You
still make the same false and baseless accusations.
> How many of you would pay $15 for a magnetic hair brush just to
brush
> your hair,something a person with hair loss should never do.brushing
is
> too harsh.
Whatever....
> Like the other idiots,rockhead cannot tell us what it would take to
> grow scalp hair if no androgens.It has to take something.
It takes a balance of water, blood, enzymes, proteins, fats, amino
acids, minerals, metals, and even oestrogens (female hormones), etc..
There are also growth factors, chemical trigger factors, etc...
> Is that why anti-androgens like finas,spiro and dutasteride cause
more
> hair loss?.
There is no proof to back up this statement. You are an uneducated
and misinformed disinformation peddler that uses lies to advance your
agenda.
> Avodart is a product used to treat the prostate,not hair loss.But
the
> snake oilers use the fact that it inhibits dht as proof that it grows
> hair,in fact dht is needed to grow hair.that is why we see so much
> shedding when we inhibit it.
Standardized clinical research studies from around the world dating
back to the 1940's all refute this false claim.
> rockhead is confused,it is the fact that adt causes the body hair
to
> stop growing that causes the scalp hair to regrow,the needed
nutrients
> to grow hair are no longer being robbed by body and face hair and are
> floeing to the scalp follicles and reviving them.
Dr. Higano's Androgen Deprivation Therapy study came to no such
conclusion, and in fact completely refutes your bogus claims. You are
simply putting your uneducated and misinformed spin on a study that
you don't understand in order to make the false claim that it supports
your "beliefs", "theories", and "method".
> Let him post one person's name who Sawaya has regrown one lasting
> hair on his or her head.
I've used Propecia (along with other treatments) for about 5 years and
I have more hair coverage now than I did in 1996, and it looks better.
> rockhead and I agree on one thing,mpb is very complicated,that is
why
> if you put things back to the way things were before we started
losing
> our head hair,we will regrow it.Now we know that our body and face
hair
> have to be getting everything it needs to grow.What is so difficult
in
> grasping that if we can get all of that stuff to the scalp
follicles,we
> would regrow our scalp hair.We do that by stopping the growth of our
> body/face hair.If you believe that the hair is not the same,remove
some
> body hair and apply an anti-androgen to the skin in that area,do the
> same on the scalp,you will see the re-action is the same.Scott and I
> tried it.
Why do you completey dismiss the finding that DHT is attacking the
receptor sites of the scalp hair follicles? It makes sense. Our
bodies are the end result of genetic programming, it's not that
difficult to comprehend. Also, where exactly on the saclp are you
removing the hair in your supposed experiments with your imaginary
friend "Scott"? On the top of the head, or on the back and sides? It
makes a difference.
> He repoested that they are here to harras me,to pay me back for
> putting hem out of business.Nice of him.
I reposted that you are being harassed because you single-handedly
destroyed the functionality of this ng with your obsessive
super-trolling. I never said anything about you putting anybody out
of business, no matter how many times you repeat that lie:
>> From:Rocky (r...@volcanomail.com)
>> Re: Voice your opinion on Scott
>> Date:2003-05-31 18:56:19 PST
>> All this harrassement that you are enduring is payback for you
>> destroying the integrity and validity of this newsgroup. It's what
>> you've done to others, delivered back in spades. Payback's a
bitch,
>> isn't it, Primeau?
>> Rocky
Must you lie about everything?
> Of course they had poor sales,what would you sexpect for products
that
> cause more hair loss in the long term.
Nobody is selling anything except you...and we all know your sales
were very poor.
> Since there is only one cause for mpb,if a treatment works for
one.it
> will work for all.He is once again showing his stupidity by including
> stess etc along with mpb.The hair loss caused by stress etc will
regrow
> when the cuase is removed.
Dr. Hideo Uno, among others, has determined that MPB is a
multi-factoral problem.
Did you even graduate from High School, Primeau? You can barely
spell, and you definitely cannot think clearly.
> I am looking forward to his next round of misinformation.It gives
me
> an opportunity to post the truth about hair loss,and the snake oilers
> like him.Ernie
How about you post the complete and unedited contents of that shitty
pamphlet that you were trying to fleece people out of $15 with?
I wonder what excuse you are going to come up with to avoid doing it.
Rocky
Rocky
.....DISCUSS.
Rocky
Ernie Primeau
Ernie
Ernie Primeau
cahoots. The only one who would know who the name of person who I gave
his e-mail address to is macoy.
And we now have the proof that rocky is the demented farrel. The snake
oilers really are simple minded in how they they they can fool the ng.
Watch for the attempts at an explanation
Ernie Primeau
blunder. Ernie
Rocky
Ernie Primeau wrote:
> We now have proof that hoink macoy and the demented farrel are in
> cahoots. The only one who would know who the name of person who I
gave
> his e-mail address to is macoy.
Sorry, but I don't mention any mysterious "email address" nor Macoy or
Honkguy in either of the posts above. Everything I posted about is
freely available in the google archives for alt.baldspot.
> And we now have the proof that rocky is the demented farrel. The
snake
> oilers really are simple minded in how they they they can fool the
ng.
> Watch for the attempts at an explanation
Man, you are one confused old dude.
Rocky
Ernie Primeau
We have all seen those lies and false claims from my demented self
before.Ernie
Ernie Primeau
skeeter
"Rocky" <ro...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1112565446.6...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
skeeter
then again, what kind of sick fuck would still be using webtv. It is for
idiots like you i guess.
"Ernie Primeau" <erni...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26166-425...@storefull-3352.bay.webtv.net...
skeeter
bald shit like you.
"Ernie Primeau" <erni...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26166-425...@storefull-3352.bay.webtv.net...
Ernie Primeau
one who I gave his name to. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
or MPB is, and what we should do about it. Looks like he doesn't know.
Ernie
Ernie Primeau
some sillyness posted by his associate, the demented farrel using my
name.
And he and his iolk are going to cure your hair loss. Yeah, right.
Ernie
Ernie Primeau
I am demented, so the fact that after all these years and I am still bald
does not sink in to me that my snake oil scam proves I am a failure.Ernie
Ernie Primeau
And I am going to cure your hair loss. Yeah, right. Ernie
Tim :\
> This is one thread that covers much of the history regarding Primeau
> and Farrel:
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.baldspot/browse_frm/thread/564a342706b74978/8c8f763eb16415bd?q=ERnie%27s+lies+%2B+US+Merchant+%2B+Rocky&rnum=1#8c8f763eb16415bd
>
> -----REPOST FROM TOP OF LINKED THREAD-----
Yo, Rocky - this is great stuff, your work is never in vain.
Rocky
LOL!!!
Primeau, you flaming DUMBASS, I got a newsflash for you: YOU ARE THE
ONE WHO MENTIONS "COL. PARKER" IN THE THREAD I LINKED TO!!!!!!!!!!!
Unlike you, I always present proof to back up my statements...here is
my proof you geriatric moron:
From: err...@webtv.net (Ernie Primeau)
Newsgroups: alt.baldspot
Subject: Re: Ernie's lies...
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:00:00 -0500 (EST)
>>I have posted pics,testimonials,offered to let members to speak to
Scott
>>and Col.Parker.I offer to meet with anyone within a 3 hour drive from
>>Tampa so they can see my results.They refuse.
You are clearly a senile old lying fuck.
Rocky
Ernie Primeau
farrel, and the link leads to nothing but lies posted by him, using my
name. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
attempts at deceit. And he wonders why his hairlosshell snake oil site
is dead. Ernie
skeeter
sick bald faggot Ernie.
"Ernie Primeau" <erni...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3928-425...@storefull-3354.bay.webtv.net...
Ernie Primeau
farrel, and the link leads to nothing but even more of my lies. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
end to my attempts at deceit. And I wonder why my hair loss scamlotion snake
oil scam is dead. Ernie
Rocky
I'm not Farrel, but you are definitely a lousy liar.
This post wasn't "forged" by anyone you lying fuck:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.baldspot/msg/a53cd9e70f6543fd?dmode=source
Here is the header info taken from the above link to the original post:
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Subject: Re: Ernie's lies...
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:00:00 -0500 (EST)
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Here is a link to the thread where I found it:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.baldspot/browse_frm/thread/564a342706b74978/8c8f763eb16415bd?q=ERnie%27s+lies+%2B+US+Merchant+%2B+Rocky&rnum=1#8c8f763eb16415bd
Here is the post in it's entirety reposted from the thread "Ernie's
Lies...":
Ernie Primeau wrote:
> I have posted pics,testimonials,offered to let members to speak to
Scott
> and Col.Parker.I offer to meet with anyone within a 3 hour drive from
> Tampa so they can see my results.They refuse.
> But the best evidence that my method woks is the snake oilers
behavior
> in trying to discredit me.You see the lies,deceptions,forgeries and
> doctored pics.That speaks volumes.
> We all know that it was the proven liar,crook,forger and asshole
farrel
> who created the geo pages.I never dre4amed that i would get so much
> mileage out of it.it allowed me to point out that he was a skilled
> forger and doctorer of pics on a daily base for morte than a year.I
am
> glad rockhead is giving me another go.
> Has anybody seen me accuse rockhead of being farrel?.We have all
seen
> farrel admit to being different posters,like enalg.
> More lies from rockhead,it was farrel who was promoting FNS.I
pointed
> out that if it worked,it would do the same as my method.get the
needed
> nutrirnts to grow hair to the scalp follicles and revive them.
> Now he claims farrel was not endorsing FNS,merely promoting it all
> over the place and conducting a study.I had a discussion with Steve
at
> Osmotics and know how involved farrel was with FNS.
> Would anyone in his right mind post anything positive about my
method
> knowing the abuse they would get from rockhead and the rest of the
snake
> oil pushing assholes like him.But we have seen many posts from hair
loss
> victims who loss their hair and money from the use of their
> crap,services and advice.
> He still has not produced one person who has shed himself a head of
> hair.And Sawaya and the rest of her ilk has caused more hair loss in
> more people than dht ever will.
> Another lie from rockhead,farrel exposed nothing,except what a liar
and
> crook he is.It was me who told the ng that I had a web page,a poster
> named kaneeshewa or something like that told farrel where to find
it.in
> all of his gratitude farrel later stabbed him in he back.The proven
> liar,crook,forger and asshole late challenged me to post how my
method
> worked.I did so.I figured it was the easiest and cheapest way to get
my
> method known.The snake oilers immedietly knew that i was right and
you
> have seen them stoop to every type of lie and deceit in an attempt to
> discredit me,instead they showed the group just what they are,liars
and
> crooks out to rob hair loss victims of their money and hair.I am
> grateful to rockhead for taking the time to give me an opportunity to
> point out their evil ways.
> How many of you would pay $15 for a magnetic hair brush just to
brush
> your hair,something a person with hair loss should never do.brushing
is
> too harsh.
> Like the other idiots,rockhead cannot tell us what it would take to
> grow scalp hair if no androgens.It has to take something.
> Is that why anti-androgens like finas,spiro and dutasteride cause
more
> hair loss?.
> Avodart is a product used to treat the prostate,not hair loss.But
the
> snake oilers use the fact that it inhibits dht as proof that it grows
> hair,in fact dht is needed to grow hair.that is why we see so much
> shedding when we inhibit it.
> rockhead is confused,it is the fact that adt causes the body hair
to
> stop growing that causes the scalp hair to regrow,the needed
nutrients
> to grow hair are no longer being robbed by body and face hair and are
> floeing to the scalp follicles and reviving them.
> Let him post one person's name who Sawaya has regrown one lasting
> hair on his or her head.
> rockhead and I agree on one thing,mpb is very complicated,that is
why
> if you put things back to the way things were before we started
losing
> our head hair,we will regrow it.Now we know that our body and face
hair
> have to be getting everything it needs to grow.What is so difficult
in
> grasping that if we can get all of that stuff to the scalp
follicles,we
> would regrow our scalp hair.We do that by stopping the growth of our
> body/face hair.If you believe that the hair is not the same,remove
some
> body hair and apply an anti-androgen to the skin in that area,do the
> same on the scalp,you will see the re-action is the same.Scott and I
> tried it.
> He repoested that they are here to harras me,to pay me back for
> putting hem out of business.Nice of him.
> Of course they had poor sales,what would you sexpect for products
that
> cause more hair loss in the long term.
> Since there is only one cause for mpb,if a treatment works for
one.it
> will work for all.He is once again showing his stupidity by including
> stess etc along with mpb.The hair loss caused by stress etc will
regrow
> when the cuase is removed.
> I am looking forward to his next round of misinformation.It gives
me
> an opportunity to post the truth about hair loss,and the snake oilers
> like him.Ernie
That post is clearly an Ernie original.
Another failed attempt at spin by Ernie Primeau...a demented lying
piece of human garbage.
Rocky
Ernie Primeau
posted his crap uisng my name, changed words in my posts, added words to
my posts, removed words from my posts. Like his associate, teh demented
farrel, he will claim that is taking the high road. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
in my posts, posted his crap using my name, removed words from my posts,
added words to my my posts, using headers from my original posts.
And we all saw him post that he was taking the high road. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
Rocky
Ernie Primeau wrote:
> The demented farrel is now going to deny that he has ever changed
words
> in my posts, posted his crap using my name, removed words from my
posts,
> added words to my my posts, using headers from my original posts.
I'm NOT Farrel.
The people that repost your posts with changed words ARE MAKING FUN OF
YOU. They are most likely not Farrel either...they are just young guys
trying to deal with their hair loss situation that HATE YOUR GUTS for
lying about having a 'cure' for MPB and then stalking this ng into
oblivion.
Figure it out, you old fool.
Rocky
honkguy
Perveau exposed as a total liar....again.
honkguy
> The people that repost your posts with changed words ARE MAKING FUN OF
> YOU. They are most likely not Farrel either...they are just young guys
> trying to deal with their hair loss situation that HATE YOUR GUTS for
> lying about having a 'cure' for MPB and then stalking this ng into
> oblivion.
Perveau is arguably the most hated man on Usenet.
Ernie Primeau
used to post along with the demented farrel as rob. That was a good name
for a snake oiler. Now it is mick and rockhead among other names,
including mine. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
demented farrel and his associates, like mchale, ceniza, the skeeter,
hoink macoy etc to show them what a bunch of liars and crooks they are.
They also know that you cannot make fun of someone wih lies and deceit.
Ernie
Ernie Primeau
am demented and obsessed with farrel.
They also know that you cannot take me seriously with all my lies, deceit
and failing to prove my false claims.
Ernie
Ernie Primeau
oiler. I had to stop because I bave myself away too many times. I am not a
very smart man as the ng very well knows.Ernie
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
changed words in Ernies posts, posted anything using his name, or removed or
added words to his posts. And we all saw Rocky prove that Farrel took the high road.
Nomen Nescio
Ernie Primeau
and demented. Who would not want all that? Ernie
Ernie Primeau
forge,forge,forge, deceive,deceive,deceive, deny,deny,deny. Ernie
Ernie Primeau
Ernie Primeau
Ernie Primeau
motto. lie,lie,lie, deceive,deceive,deceive, deny,deny,deny. Ernie
skeeter
Ernie Primeau
post. Ernie