Suburban Wiper Motor GM Recall
jc...@lycos.com
the years of about 1994 thru 1997, for whatever reason I never
received notification and now find myself wanting to change out either
the module OR the entire motor. Info on the recall is here:
http://www.automotix.net/autorepair/recalls/8987-recall/
Autozone shows replacement motors including the controller at $50-90
or so...
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/parts/partsShelf.jsp?displayName=Wiper+Motor¤tPage=1&categoryDisplayName=Electrical+%26+Lighting&navValue=15700104&itemId=104-0&parentId=57-0
The controller card is considerably cheaper at ~$30.
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/parts/partsShelf.jsp?displayName=Wiper+Motor+Pulse+Board+Module¤tPage=1&categoryDisplayName=Electrical+%26+Lighting&navValue=15701118&itemId=1118-0&parentId=57-0
Has anyone else here experienced this wiper motor failure? I'm
hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but am trying to
gather some useful info, just in case they don't.
Martin Riddle
<jc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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It�s a failure on the connector on the board.
if your handy with a soldering iron you can fix it yourself.
Cheers
hls
<jc...@lycos.com> wrote in message news:d9de0782-60b6-46e6-b5c0-
> Has anyone else here experienced this wiper motor failure? I'm
> hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but am trying to
> gather some useful info, just in case they don't.
Martin Riddles post would seem to give you a cheap way out if GM
doesnt choose to honor the recall...
Do you think the "same" (juridically) GM exists that issued the recall?
I mean, are past recalls now dead since GMs legal process?
PeterD
>I'm
>hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but ...
First check a GM dealer and find out. Checking a bunch of people on
the Internet won't help one bit in that respect. IF they will cover
the recall, then do it. If not, then post your questions--trust me
that will be much less confusing!
JR
<jc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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My 97 Yukon had the same problem: erratic wiper
operation.
Checking the VIN number the dealer told me it was not
covered.
Opened the hood, removed the cover, pulled the board
and cleaned it up a bit with brake cleaner, resoldered the large connections
and reinstalled everything. I did add a little grease to the gears.Wipers
have worked great ever since.
Total time less than a half hour.
Regards,
JR
hls
"JR" <rac...@epix.net> wrote in message news:gR7um.244470
> Checking the VIN number the dealer told me it was not
> covered.
Freaking dealers, particularly GM, have lied to me over the years too.
> Opened the hood, removed the cover, pulled the board
> and cleaned it up a bit with brake cleaner, resoldered the large
> connections
> and reinstalled everything. I did add a little grease to the gears.Wipers
> have worked great ever since.
> Total time less than a half hour.
> Regards,
> JR
Amazing how they would piss off their home base, their foundation market,
for
a couple of cents.
(PeteCresswell)
>Has anyone else here experienced this wiper motor failure? I'm
>hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but am trying to
>gather some useful info, just in case they don't.
I have experienced two or three wiper failures on my '98 'burb.
It was the board in all cases.
I think I re-soldered it twice and had it eventually fail again
both times. The replacement board I bought has, however,
lasted.
IIRC, it was something about a design flaw where the board was
not robust enough for the solder joints to stay together under
use.
--
PeteCresswell
(PeteCresswell)
>Amazing how they would piss off their home base, their foundation market,
>for
>a couple of cents.
Then there's the 4L60 transmission's valve body...
Possibly part of the reason why GM has risen tb such a world
leader in the auto industry... -)
--
PeteCresswell
Martin Riddle
"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
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By Law they have to cover the recall if his vehicle meets the
requirements.
Cheers
jc...@lycos.com
I'd think so too but I talked to them today and they aren't going
to... Should be a cradle to grave thing where known issues are
concerned. I want to cash in on the "cash for clunker" wiper motors
is concerned.
jc...@lycos.com
> <jc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d9de0782-60b6-46e6...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > the years of about 1994 thru 1997, for whatever reason I never
> > received notification and now find myself wanting to change out either
> > the module OR the entire motor. Info on the recall is here:
> >http://www.automotix.net/autorepair/recalls/8987-recall/
>
> > Autozone shows replacement motors including the controller at $50-90
> > or so...
>
> > The controller card is considerably cheaper at ~$30.
>
> > Has anyone else here experienced this wiper motor failure? I'm
> > hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but am trying to
> > gather some useful info, just in case they don't.
>
> My 97 Yukon had the same problem: erratic wiper
> operation.
> Checking the VIN number the dealer told me it was not
> covered.
> Opened the hood, removed the cover, pulled the board
> and cleaned it up a bit with brake cleaner, resoldered the large connections
> and reinstalled everything. I did add a little grease to the gears.Wipers
> have worked great ever since.
> Total time less than a half hour.
> Regards,
> JR
Exactly what they told me. They're a real pisser to deal with too.
Many calls or emails back and forth just so they can tell you that
they won't cover it and the real irritating part is that they refer to
that as "their solution". Thanks for the tips... Does the "remove
negative battery terminal" recommendation apply to removing the
board? It *looks* like 3 torx screws and it's out (from the face of
the wiper motor assembly). What do you have once the 3 torx screws
are out - the controller card that needs to be unplugged???? thanks
Repairman
>>Has anyone else here experienced this wiper motor failure? I'm
>>hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but am trying to
>>gather some useful info, just in case they don't.
Circuit board failures in higher load applications is a board mfgr. industry
wide problem.
In my field off appliance repair bad joints at relay connections is getting
more and more common when the relay is switching 10+ amp loads. In fact
there have been several recalls lately for board issues by several mfgrs. .
Problem stems from the reduction of lead in solder, that's why it wasn't a
problem years ago as higher lead content was OK to use.
PeterD
<marti...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:31:58 -0700 (PDT), jc...@lycos.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm
>>>hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but ...
>>
>> First check a GM dealer and find out. Checking a bunch of people on
>> the Internet won't help one bit in that respect. IF they will cover
>> the recall, then do it. If not, then post your questions--trust me
>> that will be much less confusing!
>
>By Law they
Define 'they'... General Motors doesn't exist anymore, so one has to
understand what the new GM (Goverment Motors) has with regard to
obligations that General Motors had.
PeterD
>On Sep 22, 5:41�pm, "Martin Riddle" <martin_...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:mrihb59vfihjv5sgc...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:31:58 -0700 (PDT), jc...@lycos.com wrote:
>>
>> >>I'm
>> >>hopeful the GM recall will still cover the matter but ...
>>
>> > First check a GM dealer and find out. Checking a bunch of people on
>> > the Internet won't help one bit in that respect. IF they will cover
>> > the recall, then do it. If not, then post your questions--trust me
>> > that will be much less confusing!
>>
>> By Law they have to cover the recall if his vehicle meets the
>> requirements.
>>
>> Cheers
>
>I'd think so too but I talked to them today and they aren't going
>to... Should be a cradle to grave
I like that way of looking at it, but since General Motors went to
their grave, I'd guess they are off the hook, so to speak! <bg>
Mike Hunter
everybody would be buying Chryslers with its lifetime power train warranty.
LOL
Personally, if I could get a discount on the price of the vehicle I would go
without the warranty. I have not had a warranty claim on any of my
vehicles in such a long time I can not even think of when it was I had a
warranty claim.
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JR
<jc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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I honestly can't remember if there was a screw holding the board or
if it sat on supports.It was 5-6 years and 100,000 miles ago.
When you have the original board in your hand and if you are familiar
with wave bath soldering you can see how the solder joints
would fail. The board is very thin and the solder wave soldered the smaller
connections just fine, but the larger connections just didn't get hot
enough.
The flexing of the board eventually broke the cold solder joints.
With a good meter you can actually measure the resistance across a
cold solder joint.
Regards,
JR
JR
<jc...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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I didn't remove the neg battery cable.
Regards,
JR
Nightcrawler
to the dealer's garage for a few years. If I didn't have the
warranty I'd have spent quite a few thousand on odd-ball
things. ECM and TCCM would be two right off of the top
of my head. What was weird is that after I got the wife out
of her she didn't complain anymore. :-)
"Mike Hunter" <Mikeh...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Martin Riddle
"Repairman" <repai...@embarqmaildot.com> wrote in message
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In the Wiper board case, the solder was thin to begin with and the
connector did not have any mechanical means to hold it in place. As a
result, The thermal expansion and contraction as well as mechanical
virbration stresses cause micro fractures between the connector pins and
the PCB. You can barely see them, unless you know what to look for.
ROHS probably did not contribute to it, I do not think it was lead free
at the time (97).
To repair, Desolder the connector pins, Fold or crimp the pins down to
the circuit board, and resolder.
There are some larger components that need the treatment as well.
And don�t forget to conformal coat the resoldered joints.
Cheers
jc...@lycos.com
> "Repairman" <repairma...@embarqmaildot.com> wrote in message
How does the "Wiper Motor Pulse Board Module" come out? I removed the
3 torx screws w/cover and also popped off the wiring connector. The
connector and pc board didn't seem to want to come out. Didn't see
any other fasteners holding this puppy in place. Noted Autozone sells
a replacement for $30 noting 'black connector' which mine appears to
be (connector attached to pc card). TIA
Mike Marlow
"hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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>
>> Checking the VIN number the dealer told me it was not
>> covered.
>
> Freaking dealers, particularly GM, have lied to me over the years too.
>
>
Dealers don't usually lie about recalls. It is not to their advantage,
since they get paid to do the work on recalls. It is common for a VIN
series not to be covered, only to later be covered. That though, is the way
the recall is released by the manufacturer, and has nothing to do with the
dealer. Happens on every brand of car.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
hls
"Martin Riddle" <marti...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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In the olden days when printed circuit boards were just being implemented
and quality was still poorly defined, we often had to repair the boards by
running solder completely down the foil trace. In some cases we even
soldered
small diameter copper wire down the traces to add a little strength.
Shouldnt be necessary now, but it was a brute force way of dealing with
crappy boards.