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 More options Jan 2 2008, 4:55 am
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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:55:59 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Jan 2 2008 4:55 am
Subject: M.I 5.Persec ution - why t he secu rity se rvices?
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You may ask, why do I think the. "they" referred to are the security
services? Is there any. evidence that there is a single source, as opposed
to a loosely based "whispering. campaign" amongst many people? Even if there
is a single. source, is there any evidence that "they" are professional
"buggers" as. opposed to amateurs, or perhaps people working for a privately
funded. organization?

a). As to the question of a single source versus something more fragmented;
it is quite obvious that there is a. single source from the way the campaign
has been carried out. Since things have been. repeated verbatim which were
said in my home, there. must be one group which does the watching and
listening. Since on. several occasions (mainly during travel) people have
been planted in close proximity and rehearsed. in what they were to say, it
follows that someone. must have done the planning for that, and again a
single. source is indicated.

b). So why couldn't it be amateurs? Why couldn't it be a private
organisation, for. example a private detective agency paid to manage the
campaign and undertake. the technical aspects? Some detective agencies are
unscrupulous as has been proved on the occasions. in the past when they've
been exposed or caught; they too can have access. to the bugging technology
deployed; and there are reported cases. of MI5 paying private eyes to do
their. dirty work (against peace campaigners and similar enemies of the
state) on the understanding. that if they were caught then they could deny
all knowledge. Why. couldn't that be the case?

The main factor pointing to direct security service. involvement (as opposed
to amateurs or MI5 proxies) is the breadth of their access. to the media in
particular, and the fact that the. television companies are so involved in
the. campaign. The BBC would not directly invade someone's home themselves,
since it. would not be within their remit to allocate personnel or financial
resources to do so. An organisation of their stature would not. take part in
a campaign set up. by private sources. The only people they would take
material from would be the security services,. presumably on the assumption
that if the cat ever flew out of the bag. yowling it would be MI5 who would
take. the consequences.

State sponsorship for these acts. of psychological terrorism is also
indicated by duration; support for over six years for a team of three. or
four people. would be beyond the means and will of most private sources.
The viciousness of the slanders and personal. denigration also points to
MI5; they traditionally "protect" the British state from politicians of. the
wrong hue by character assassination, and in this case are. using their
tried and. tested methods to murder with words an enemy they have invented
for. themselves.

And there are precedents. Diana and Hewitt were alleged to have been. filmed
"at. it" by an Army intelligence team which had operated in Northern
Ireland, these allegations were. made by someone called Jones who had been
on the team. His statements were denied by. the defence establishment who
tried to character-assassinate by. describing him as the "Jones twins".
Funny how if you tell the truth,. then you must be ill, isn't it? Thought
only communists. behaved like that?

Hewitt later said that. he'd been spoken to by someone in the army who
revealed the existence of videotapes of him and Diana, and that the. tapes
would be published if any attempt was made by. them to resume their
association.

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 More options Jan 24 2008, 2:28 pm
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From: vmv...@bigfoot.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:28:05 GMT
Local: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: M.I 5.Persec ution - why t he secu rity se rvices?
superstition. There are many who do not believe
solely from wickedness. Few are between the two.

In this I do not include those who are of truly pious character, nor all
those who believe from a feeling in their heart.

257. There are only three kinds of persons; those who serve God, having
found Him; others who are occupied in seeking Him, not having found Him;
while the remainder live without seeking Him and without having found Him.
The first are reasonable and happy, the last are foolish and unhappy; those
between are unhappy and reasonable.

258. Unusquisque sibi Deum fingit.[37]

Disgust

259. Ordinary people have the power of not thinking of that about which they
do not wish to think. "Do not meditate on the passages about the Messiah,
said the Jew to his son. Thus our people often act. Thus are false religions
preserved, and even the true one, in regard to many persons.

But there are some who have not the power of thus preventing thought, and
who think so much the more as they are forbidden. These undo false religions
and even the true one, if they do not find solid arguments.

260. They hide themselves in the press and call numbers to their rescue.
Tumult.

Authority.--So far from making it a rule to believe a thing because you have
heard it, you ought to believe nothing without putting yourself into the
position as if you had never heard it.

It is your own assent to yourself, and the constant voice of your own
reason, and not of others, that should make you believe.

Belief is so important! A hundred contradictions might be true. If antiquity
were the rule of belief, men of ancient time would then be without rule. If
general consent, if men had perished?

False humanity, pride.

Lift the curtain. You try in vain; if you must either believe,


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