what do you say?

[Observer]

Just wondering what is the best thing to say when you shop for a new
car and the salesman asks when you want to buy it? I think in the
past I've said I don't know but is there something better to say from
the buyer's point of view? I know I always hate that question even if
there is some validity.

[Howard Lester]

"Observer" wrote

Think from your gut. I test drove a 2013 Accord EX a couple of weeks ago,
and I had already told the salesman I'm not ready to buy; I'm doing research
on the car to make sure it's what I want. Maybe I'll be ready next spring.
At the end of our adventure together he went to get the sales manager. While
it is probably a customary procedure, the manager asked me the magic
question, "What will it take...." I replied, "I already told HIM (pointing
to the salesman)." Then I said, "Look, if I buy the car now, you won't get a
sale next spring, so what's the difference?" That shut him up. I wasn't
nasty; I remained cordial.

[JRStern]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:21:34 -0600, Observer <obse...@void.com>
wrote:

I dunno, is this a trick question? I just tell them. If you're just
looking, just make sure you drop a few hints that you *could* buy if
you wanted, when you're ready, and in general you get a nice
presentation, test drive, and they ask for your phone number, etc.

If you even might want to buy on the spot, just have some numbers in
mind before you come in. I normally start a real buying project by
going to the vendor site or a neutral site like Edmonds, and getting
local dealers to submit bids. Unfortunately this time it did not work
for me, so YMMV. Had to go out and dicker like in olden days.

I went and got a nice test drive on the BMW, but told them I was
waiting to test drive the Honda 2013. I *liked* the BMW, if it was
$15,000 cheaper I'd go for it - since the lease includes 100% of
service, that's the ONLY way I'd touch a BMW. I test drove the 2013
before I went home and solicited bids, it was not a problem.

The whole retail sales process is a little challenging, it's a game
with rules, and sometimes it can get on your nerves, and the sellers
are professionals and know a lot of tricks. But in general the retail
environment is very ingratiating these days, it seems to me, it's
easier to just wander in and chat today than twenty years ago, when it
was more buy-or-get-out. That's because in olden days the guys on the
floor were the real salespersons, today the first guy you speak to,
that's his/her whole job, they have to involve sales guys and closers
and finance and credit and orthodontists and gynecologists, before you
actually get the car.

But Honda has it pretty well greased, it seems to me. Could still be
better, but it's not horrible, though it will vary by dealer and even
by salesperson.

J.

[M.A. Stewart]

JRStern (JRS...@foobar.invalid) writes:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:21:34 -0600, Observer <obse...@void.com>
> wrote:

>
>>Just wondering what is the best thing to say when you shop for a new
>>car and the salesman asks when you want to buy it?

Say this;

"When the second last line (the line directly above the
bottom line) on the sales contract says '50% OFF', and
the bottom line (full amount to be paid) is HALF the
factory sticker price"

[NotMe]

"Observer" <obse...@void.com> wrote in message
news:0nnk981t7r8uki40v...@4ax.com...

Salesman is asking for the sale.

A non-committal answer works best. eventually comes to mind, when I'm
ready, when I find what I'm looking for at a good/best price.

[M.A. Stewart]

"NotMe" (m...@privacy.net) writes:
> "Observer" <obse...@void.com> wrote in message
> news:0nnk981t7r8uki40v...@4ax.com...
>> Just wondering what is the best thing to say when you shop for a new
>> car and the salesman asks when you want to buy it? I think in the
>> past I've said I don't know but is there something better to say from
>> the buyer's point of view? I know I always hate that question even if
>> there is some validity.
>
> Salesman is asking for the sale.

No he isn't!... he using a pressure tactic... so you press back with the
message, 'I don't appreciate this. You will LOSE if you keep it up,
and somebody else will get my hard earned money'.

[NotMe]

"M.A. Stewart" <cf...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:k7h7lm$9u4$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca...

Lets see I've been selling since the mid 50s ... checking checking checking
yep he's going for the sale.

[Stewart]

"Observer" <obse...@void.com> wrote in message
news:0nnk981t7r8uki40v...@4ax.com...

Tell them that your not ready to make a decision, but you are
investigating comparable models from other manufacturers such as
Toyota, Hyundai, etc. and that you will be comparing overall design,
price, standard warranty and consumers report ratings. Then give them
a small hint that they might be able to convince you to but the car
today (for the right package).

[M.A. Stewart]

"NO SALE"

--
"these boots are made for walking, and that's just
what they'll do" Nancy Sinatra

[jim beam]

On 11/08/2012 01:19 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:
> "NotMe" (m...@privacy.net) writes:
>> "Observer"<obse...@void.com> wrote in message
>> news:0nnk981t7r8uki40v...@4ax.com...
>>> Just wondering what is the best thing to say when you shop for a new
>>> car and the salesman asks when you want to buy it? I think in the
>>> past I've said I don't know but is there something better to say from
>>> the buyer's point of view? I know I always hate that question even if
>>> there is some validity.
>>
>> Salesman is asking for the sale.
>
>
> No he isn't!... he using a pressure tactic... so you press back with the
> message, 'I don't appreciate this. You will LOSE if you keep it up,
> and somebody else will get my hard earned money'.

stop being a baby.

buying a car is easy. go test drive the vehicles you think you're
interested in. keep talk to a minimum. then walk away. when you get
home, make a list of all the features, color, options you want. then
call all the dealers in a 2-hour radius, give them your requirements
list, and this is the important bit - tell them you're ready to buy, but
YOU'RE SHOPPING ON PRICE.

the ones that call you back, get that price, say thanks and that you're
waiting for another dealer to call you back. when you get those
numbers, call the higher prices ones again and ask whether they will
beat the lowest one, and keep on going until you reach bottom.

when you get that bottom, drive out there immediately and buy the
vehicle. the price will change tomorrow.

and also, be prepared to walk away from "bait and switch" - where they
say there was a "mistake" on the price they quoted you on the phone once
you arrive. stick to your guns, and again, be prepared to walk away.
having the sales droid chase you across the parking lot saying they'll
make your price is amusing if nothing else.

depending on where you live, be prepared to shop out of town. here in
the san francisco bay area, honda prices are extraordinarily uniform and
either at or over msrp. and that extends about 1 hour out of town. but
2 hours out, prices are much more flexible and competitive. other
locations such as los angeles tend to be more competitive without
leaving town.

>
>
>>
>> A non-committal answer works best. eventually comes to mind, when I'm
>> ready, when I find what I'm looking for at a good/best price.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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[M.A. Stewart]

jim beam (m...@privacy.net) writes:
> On 11/08/2012 01:19 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:
>> "NotMe" (m...@privacy.net) writes:
>>> "Observer"<obse...@void.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0nnk981t7r8uki40v...@4ax.com...
>>>> Just wondering what is the best thing to say when you shop for a new
>>>> car and the salesman asks when you want to buy it? I think in the
>>>> past I've said I don't know but is there something better to say from
>>>> the buyer's point of view? I know I always hate that question even if
>>>> there is some validity.
>>>
>>> Salesman is asking for the sale.
>>
>>
>> No he isn't!... he using a pressure tactic... so you press back with the
>> message, 'I don't appreciate this. You will LOSE if you keep it up,
>> and somebody else will get my hard earned money'.
>
> stop being a baby.

I'm a baby?? But I know my ABC's, and the ABC's in the
context of this subject is... (a)lways (b)e (c)losing. If they
are so anxious to 'close'... it's simple for them... the bottom
line of the sales contract is going to be below a healthy
discount and middle lines that end with N/C.

>
> buying a car is easy. go test drive the vehicles you think you're
> interested in. keep talk to a minimum. then walk away.

That babe Nancy Sinatra knew how to walk.

when you get
> home, make a list of all the features, color, options you want. then
> call all the dealers in a 2-hour radius, give them your requirements
> list, and this is the important bit - tell them you're ready to buy, but
> YOU'RE SHOPPING ON PRICE.
>
> the ones that call you back, get that price, say thanks and that you're
> waiting for another dealer to call you back. when you get those
> numbers, call the higher prices ones again and ask whether they will
> beat the lowest one, and keep on going until you reach bottom.
>
> when you get that bottom, drive out there immediately and buy the
> vehicle. the price will change tomorrow.
>
> and also, be prepared to walk away from "bait and switch"

That babe Nancy Sinatra knew how to walk.

- where they
> say there was a "mistake" on the price they quoted you on the phone once
> you arrive. stick to your guns, and again, be prepared to walk away.

That babe Nancy Sinatra knew how to walk.

[jim beam]

On 11/13/2012 06:33 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<k7uugc$coc$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca>,

> cf...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote:
>
>>>> No he isn't!... he using a pressure tactic... so you press back with the
>>>> message, 'I don't appreciate this. You will LOSE if you keep it up,
>>>> and somebody else will get my hard earned money'.
>>>
>>> stop being a baby.
>>
>>
>> I'm a baby?? But I know my ABC's, and the ABC's in the
>> context of this subject is... (a)lways (b)e (c)losing. If they
>> are so anxious to 'close'... it's simple for them... the bottom
>> line of the sales contract is going to be below a healthy
>> discount and middle lines that end with N/C.
>

> Color me cynical, but EVERY conversation is a sales pitch. Either he's
> pitching you on why you should buy, or your pitching him on why you
> shouldn't buy.
>
> He's a pro, you're not.
>
> End of story.

actually, i think he wants to be a victim in this story - he's clearly
not interested in being able to handle a sales negotiation without being
one.


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[jim beam]

On 11/07/2012 12:54 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:

> JRStern (JRS...@foobar.invalid) writes:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:21:34 -0600, Observer<obse...@void.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Just wondering what is the best thing to say when you shop for a new
>>> car and the salesman asks when you want to buy it?
>
>
> Say this;
>
> "When the second last line (the line directly above the
> bottom line) on the sales contract says '50% OFF', and
> the bottom line (full amount to be paid) is HALF the
> factory sticker price"

that's retarded. think about it. there's no earthly reason why anyone
would sell you something with that discount when all they have to do is
wait until someone else comes along who will pay sticker. or more. you
wouldn't sell your house to someone offering 50% below market. use your
brain and do what i said to figure out what "market" is. then you have
a price you can pay without playing the "look at me, i'm a victim" game.

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