31mpg for the Element
grinder
while how they like it.
One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city. But
the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was getting 31mpg on the
highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high.
Curly Q. Links
--------------------------------------
Hang around any N.G. long enough and you'll see that MANY people haven't
figured out that the Gas Station prints the actual VOLUME of fuel right
on the reciept. They fill the tank ten times and assume they've used 10
'tankfulls' of fuel. They look in the sales brochure (never the owner's
manual) and find out the tank holds (say 16 gal) and they went X miles.
They divide it all out and BRAG about their fantastic mileage.
Now you know how they did it. I'm not kidding.
'Curly'
Steve Hawkins
"grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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I have a 2005 manual Element AWD, and my combined city/highway mileage is a
little over 24 MPG. Not bad for a vehicle that is as aerodynamic as a
toaster!
Steve
Paul
"'Curly Q. Links'" <mots...@interbaun.com> wrote in message
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Seems to me it would work the other way. If you assumed you were putting in
the full capacity (say, 16 gallons), you'd come up with a lower MPG figure
than if you calculated it based on what you actually put in (say, 14
gallons).
Paul
TeGGeR®
news:AiKag.3434$y4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Answer: Nobody really knows.
Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage
covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
And without the data thus generated, EVERYbody is guessing as to their real
mileage.
I record for both our cars in a book, in this manner:
Date........Odometer.......Dollars.......Amount
May14/06....72,128.9mi.....$19.70(Cdn)...5.34 gal
and so on for each and every fillup.
EVERY fillup is to completely full, to at least two pump shutoffs.
So, here are some figures for our '99 Tercel (the book I happen to have
handy at the moment:
Feb 18-May14: 2,691.11 miles, 88.59 gallons = 30.38mpg.
Ah, but it gets interesting! Watch this:
Feb18-Mar25: 933 miles, 33.54 gallons = 27.81. Winter is bad for mileage!
Mar25-May14: 1,758 miles, 55.05 gallons = 31.93. That warm weather we had!
Now the very last fillup (only one entry):
May12-May14: 190.2 miles, 5.34 gallons: 35.58mpg.
One fillup is not trustworthy, so this one obviously contains an anomaly of
some sort that will get evened out in subsequent fillups.
Now, there's a confounding factor besides temperature and type of driving,
and that's octane. Every fillup except the last was with 91 pump octane.
From now on, we're using 87. With my '91 Integra, I've discovered that
using premium costs me about 2% in mileage. Don't know now whether the
Tercel will be the same.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
Howard Lester
> Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage
> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
We've never met, no. ;-) I never KEPT records, but for the first couple
years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal place, and
always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by the gallons used
(per the receipt, to three decimal places). During the first few months it
recorded around 26, but since then my '04 4-cyl Accord auto regularly posts
27-28 mpg driving mostly "around town." FWIW, I live in southern Arizona,
where it's f****** hot.
Dave L
"Howard Lester" <heyl...@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:126nldj...@corp.supernews.com...
I've been doing this for years as well, with a few different cars. It's
just been a habbit, although I don't write down the cost of the fill-up. If
the person really wanted to be "anal" about it, they would go as far as
using the same pump at the same gas station each time!
Mileage dips in the winter here in MD. Different fuel formulation, colder
engine which takes longer to warm up so idle can drop, etc.
My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's more
city or highway driving. The 2 trips with almost all highway driving was
33-34 mpg. Could have done better but that would have upset the drivers
behind me.
-Dave
mrdancer
> My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's more
> city or highway driving. The 2 trips with almost all highway driving was
> 33-34 mpg. Could have done better but that would have upset the drivers
> behind me.
I don't keep records, but I like doing math in my head, so I can easily
figure out to within less than 1mpg every time I fill the tank. My '02
Accord LX coupe w/ manual averages around 30-32 city/commuting (I typically
fill up after the low-fuel light comes on, putting in around 14 gallons at
between 400-450 miles), worst is around 26-27mpg in winter commuting, best
is 40mpg on extended highway trips - I've done this at least twice while
averaging around 68mph for an 850-mile trip (yes, this means I was cruising
70-75mph for most of the trip), with A/C on and the car loaded down pretty
good with luggage. Since those figures were seemingly high, I
double-checked them with a calculator to be sure. :ş
I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at
super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet posting
years ago about a fellow that drove something like 90-100mph across Canada
on an extended trip with a Mitsu Eclipse (or maybe it was a Laser) and got
well into the 30+mpg (U.S., not Imperial) range.
When I had my truck, I'd take occasional trips into the mountains. MPG
would be unusually high for the first tankful or two because the truck would
run lean in the thin mountain air - we're talking 23-24mpg with a V8
Dakota...
Gordon McGrew
<teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>"grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote in
>news:AiKag.3434$y4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once
>> in while how they like it.
>>
>> One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the
>> city. But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was
>> getting 31mpg on the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high.
>>
>>
>
>
>Answer: Nobody really knows.
>
>Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage
>covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
I do.
N.E.Ohio Bob
> Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage
> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
I have the EXACT gas fill info for EVERY tank full on my '92 Accord (LX
two door,5 speed, White/Blue) since new. I taught myself to use Excel to
put the info in a yearly table. bob
TeGGeR®
news:JAYag.34622$mh.2...@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com:
I'm glad to hear there are people who actually do figure their mileage
properly out there. As I said, nobody I *personally* know (friends,
neighbors, co-workers, etc) does this.
Most of the people I know use the miles per tank method, which is bogus.
TeGGeR®
> "TeGGeR®" wrote
>
> > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and
> > mileage
>> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
>
> We've never met, no. ;-)
I bought a car part from Arizona once...
> I never KEPT records, but for the first
> couple years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal
> place, and always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by
> the gallons used (per the receipt, to three decimal places).
The problem with not keeping official records is that it's too easy to lose
a receipt, or to include something you shouldn't, such as a partial fillup.
You also can't include the fillup amount from the *start* of your recorded
mileage.
A written (or Excel) record is more rigorous and more likely to be
accurate, although your recorded 27-28mpg seems right for your car. I get
about 28mpg in my Integra with lots of 80mph highway driving. Not bad for
267,000 miles, huh?
Howard Lester
"TeGGeRŽ" wrote
> I bought a car part from Arizona once...
Did it arrive melted?
>
>
>> I never KEPT records, but for the first
>> couple years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal
>> place, and always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by
>> the gallons used (per the receipt, to three decimal places).
> The problem with not keeping official records is that it's too easy to
> lose
> a receipt, or to include something you shouldn't, such as a partial
> fillup.
> You also can't include the fillup amount from the *start* of your recorded
> mileage.
I don't understand your last sentence. Maybe I don't know just what you mean
by the "start of my recorded mileage." By "start" do you mean from the time
I drive it off the dealer's lot? No, I didn't do that.
I fill the tank on my way to work. I note the trip odometer (typically
300 - 320 miles), I have the receipt, and when I get to work I divide the
300 or so miles by the number of gallons bought. How does that differ from
your method?
I never based my mileage on one or two samples, even though I'd fill up at
the same gas station. I know that some pumps, and on different days, will
shut off at different levels of gasoline filled into the tank. So I figure
over the course of a couple years I have it down pretty well. ;-)
Howard
rick++
>covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
I started doing this for business reasons a few years ago
and learned some interesting things. Particularly about summer/winter
driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg
in the summer and 33 in the winter. I think the difference is half
due to winter 15% ethonal (pure ethonal only 70% the mileage)
and other other half due to recreational road trips. I also wonder
if cooler weather on the engines or tire pressure is a factor.
AC has almost now effect.
mrdancer
> driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg
> in the summer and 33 in the winter. I think the difference is half
> due to winter 15% ethonal (pure ethonal only 70% the mileage)
> and other other half due to recreational road trips. I also wonder
Depends. If you do a lot of short trips, the engine does run momentarily in
'rich' mode until it is warmed up. The colder it is, the more fuel it will
use every time you start it up.
> if cooler weather on the engines or tire pressure is a factor.
You should be checking your tire pressure at least monthly. It's not
uncommon to lose quite a bit of pressure going from ambient 80-90 degrees F
to sub-freezing temps. That will definitely affect your mpg.
> AC has almost now effect.
There was a study not too long ago that found that with modern
automobiles/engines, the A/C used much less fuel than rolling down a window
at speeds above 30mph or so.
Dave Kelsen
> "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote in
> news:AiKag.3434$y4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once
>> in while how they like it.
>>
>> One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the
>> city. But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was
>> getting 31mpg on the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high.
>>
>>
>
>
> Answer: Nobody really knows.
>
> Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage
> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
>
> And without the data thus generated, EVERYbody is guessing as to their real
> mileage.
I have done it with every fillup since the day I bought my car (2003
Accord LX). I do it with every vehicle I drive, because usually the
first clue that there is a problem is a drop in mileage.
In my book, I record the odometer reading, the per-gallon price, the
total amount I paid for the fillup, and the date. When I enter that in
a spreadsheet, I have (through formulas) the miles traveled, the gallons
purchased, and the MPG for that fillup. Because it was trivial at that
point, my spreadsheet also calculates my total gas cost, the total
number of gallons I have purchased, average price-per-gallon, average
miles-per-fillup, and average cost-per-fillup - over the life of the car.
I have spent $5165.12 in 226 fillups, buying 2945.13 gallons of gas at
an average cost of $1.75.4, averaging 361.65 miles per 13.03 gallon
fillup, at an average cost of $22.85, and an average MPG of 27.75.
If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the
formulas still in it, for you to use.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"I have an idea that the phrase 'weaker sex' was coined by some woman to
disarm some man she was preparing to overwhelm." -- Ogden Nash
Dave Kelsen
> "Howard Lester" <heyl...@dakotacom.net> wrote in
> news:126nldj...@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> "TeGGeR®" wrote
>>
>> > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and
>> > mileage
>>> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
>>
>> We've never met, no. ;-)
>
>
>
> I bought a car part from Arizona once...
>
>
>
>> I never KEPT records, but for the first
>> couple years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal
>> place, and always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by
>> the gallons used (per the receipt, to three decimal places).
>
>
>
>
> The problem with not keeping official records is that it's too easy to lose
> a receipt, or to include something you shouldn't, such as a partial fillup.
> You also can't include the fillup amount from the *start* of your recorded
> mileage.
Actually, as long as you include the *amount of gasoline* you put in,
you will still be able to calculate the correct miles-per-gallon figure,
at your next full fillup. For example, once my tank is full, I start
driving. If I put in 5 gallons, then 11.23 gallons, then 3.99 gallons,
then 8.04 gallons, then do a complete fillup of 14.55 gallons, and
traveled, say, 1611 miles, I averaged 37.63 miles per gallon. Of
course, I can't calculate the MPG for the interim time; only between
complete fillups.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas
Jefferson
Dave L
"mrdancer" <mrda...@iw.net> wrote in message
news:S-ednR9Wo92...@prairiewave.com...
> "Dave L" wrote in message...
>> My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's more
>> city or highway driving. The 2 trips with almost all highway driving was
>> 33-34 mpg. Could have done better but that would have upset the drivers
>> behind me.
>
> I don't keep records, but I like doing math in my head, so I can easily
> figure out to within less than 1mpg every time I fill the tank. My '02
> Accord LX coupe w/ manual averages around 30-32 city/commuting (I
> typically
> fill up after the low-fuel light comes on, putting in around 14 gallons at
> between 400-450 miles), worst is around 26-27mpg in winter commuting, best
> is 40mpg on extended highway trips - I've done this at least twice while
> averaging around 68mph for an 850-mile trip (yes, this means I was
> cruising
> 70-75mph for most of the trip), with A/C on and the car loaded down pretty
> good with luggage. Since those figures were seemingly high, I
Wow - that's excellent gas mileage. Sounds like you're doing much better
than the ratings for this car. What is it "supposed" to get? One thing I
wouldn't do is consistently drive until the fuel light comes on. I
understand it has a tendency to kill a fuel pump quicker when run so low.
Also allows more water to build up in the tank, which could help promote
rust.
> I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at
> super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet posting
> years ago about a fellow that drove something like 90-100mph across Canada
> on an extended trip with a Mitsu Eclipse (or maybe it was a Laser) and got
> well into the 30+mpg (U.S., not Imperial) range.
Was this person from the states or from Canada? I thought Canada uses
kilometers instead of miles.
-Dave
Dave L
news:738bg.15109$LE4....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> On 5/17/2006 8:44 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote in
>> news:AiKag.3434$y4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>> I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once
>>> in while how they like it.
>>>
>>> One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the
>>> city. But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was
>>> getting 31mpg on the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Answer: Nobody really knows.
>>
>> Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage
>> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody.
>>
>> And without the data thus generated, EVERYbody is guessing as to their
>> real mileage.
>
> I have done it with every fillup since the day I bought my car (2003
> Accord LX). I do it with every vehicle I drive, because usually the first
> clue that there is a problem is a drop in mileage.
I've done it on the cars I've owned too. It's just become a habbit. Also
never understood why some people want to keep putting $5 or $10 in the car
instead of filling it up, when they had the money. You'll only have to
visit the gas station that much quicker and more frequently.
> In my book, I record the odometer reading, the per-gallon price, the total
> amount I paid for the fillup, and the date. When I enter that in a
> spreadsheet, I have (through formulas) the miles traveled, the gallons
> purchased, and the MPG for that fillup. Because it was trivial at that
> point, my spreadsheet also calculates my total gas cost, the total number
> of gallons I have purchased, average price-per-gallon, average
> miles-per-fillup, and average cost-per-fillup - over the life of the car.
>
> I have spent $5165.12 in 226 fillups, buying 2945.13 gallons of gas at an
> average cost of $1.75.4, averaging 361.65 miles per 13.03 gallon fillup,
> at an average cost of $22.85, and an average MPG of 27.75.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the
> formulas still in it, for you to use.
Sure! I'd love to put it to use. It would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
-Dave
TeGGeR®
news:3_edneZS7PomufDZ...@comcast.com:
>
> "mrdancer" <mrda...@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:S-ednR9Wo92...@prairiewave.com...
>
>
>> I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at
>> super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet
>> posting years ago about a fellow that drove something like 90-100mph
>> across Canada on an extended trip with a Mitsu Eclipse (or maybe it
>> was a Laser) and got well into the 30+mpg (U.S., not Imperial) range.
>
> Was this person from the states or from Canada? I thought Canada uses
> kilometers instead of miles.
It does. But we *do* have pocket calculators, you know...
But some of us grew up before Metric appeared on the scene, and some of us
prefer to work in Imperial regardless of government bumpf. No laws against
it, you know. Unlike Britain...
TeGGeR®
news:vKKdnbJMVvY...@prairiewave.com:
> "rick++" wrote in message...
>> driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg
>> in the summer and 33 in the winter. I think the difference is half
>> due to winter 15% ethonal (pure ethonal only 70% the mileage)
>> and other other half due to recreational road trips. I also wonder
>
> Depends. If you do a lot of short trips, the engine does run
> momentarily in 'rich' mode until it is warmed up
Yep. It's in closed-loop as soon as the ECM receives a valid signal from
the primary oxygen sensor, which these days is about 30-40 seconds from a
cold start. But it's still in "warmup enrichment" mode until it sees full
coolant temp, which can be up to ten minutes from cold, depending.
> The colder it is,
> the more fuel it will use every time you start it up.
>
>> if cooler weather on the engines or tire pressure is a factor.
>
> You should be checking your tire pressure at least monthly. It's not
> uncommon to lose quite a bit of pressure going from ambient 80-90
> degrees F to sub-freezing temps. That will definitely affect your
> mpg.
1 psi per every 10 deg F.
>
>> AC has almost now effect.
>
> There was a study not too long ago that found that with modern
> automobiles/engines, the A/C used much less fuel than rolling down a
> window at speeds above 30mph or so.
Correct.
TeGGeR®
>
> I have spent $5165.12 in 226 fillups, buying 2945.13 gallons of gas at
> an average cost of $1.75.4, averaging 361.65 miles per 13.03 gallon
> fillup, at an average cost of $22.85, and an average MPG of 27.75.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the
> formulas still in it, for you to use.
Y'know, NE Ohio Bob had sent me his Excel spreadsheet, but I never did
anything with it.
I'm now thinking it might be an excellent idea to post any available
spreadsheets as part of a FAQ page. Looks like I've got two potential
contributors so far, and I can post one of my own as well.
If the data are valid, they would serve as an excellent real-world mileage
resource. I could post a raw Excel form, and readers would be free to
download and populate it, then send it to me for posting. Comments?
Dave Kelsen
Sounds like a good idea to me.
I'll send this to you, Tegger, and I'll leave my data in it. Do with it
as you will.
Dave, you can get it from me if you'll email me: dave - at - kelsen -
dot - us, or provide me with a place to send it. I forgot that at the
moment, I don't have a webspace to post it on.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people
who believe it." -- George Carlin
Dave L
"TeGGeRŽ" <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns97C7E2A5...@207.14.116.130...
Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was still
widely used.
-Dave (running) ;-)
Dave L
"Dave Kelsen" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:sHabg.23505$HA2....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Email sent to ya. Or if Tegger puts it up on his website, those of us
interested could grab it there too.
Thanks!
-Dave
Gordon McGrew
wrote:
I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance
when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out
an anchor.
I just bought a scan gauge monitor that plugs into the OBD-II
receptacle and displays instantaneous milage and a lot of other data.
I will test the window up/down AC on/off controversy and report
results.
Brian Smith
"Dave L" <davelieu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bfOdnTbShO5...@comcast.com...
>
> Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was
> still widely used.
>
> -Dave (running) ;-)
You had better duck while you're running, youngster <g>.
Brian Smith
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMc...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:o5hq62d3p0abbpc06...@4ax.com...
>
> I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance
> when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out
> an anchor.
Think about it. Travelling with the windows down, can only reduce
mileage performance as the drag on the vehicle has been greatly increased.
Talk about anchors!
Howard Lester
> I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance
> when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out
> an anchor.
I've never noticed a decrease in mileage when the AC was in use, and that's
half the year.
rick++
Also better than the new Fit EPA ratings.
It is better than my 1990 civic which was smaller and lighter.
I read many people were complaining the EPA ratings to too
good for most cars, especially the hybrids.
Cant complain.
rick++
inlcuding maintenance, repairs, insurance, taxes and ticket fines.
I think the total came to about four times the purchase price
or about 20 cents a mile over 222K miles.
Maintanence and repairs have been less on my 2004 so far.
I expect my first non-scheduled maintence to be new front tires
for the 3rd winter season. I find buying tires a little early to
make a noticeable difference in bad weather driveability and
relatively inexpensive.
Brian Smith
"rick++" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148047968....@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
One can hardly count driver's irresponsibility (ticket fines), as part of
the operational costs of a vehicle.
Arthur Shapiro
>I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in
>while how they like it.
>
>One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city.
I get 16-18 around town (99% of my driving) and 23-25 on the rare long trips.
That's on a 2003, with about 14K miles now. I'm a firm but not aggressive
driver. Most of my trips are 2.6 miles to work or 7 miles to the location
from which my bicycle club rides.
The lousy mileage is one of the few downsides of the vehicle.
Art
grinder
"Arthur Shapiro" <arthur...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Gfpbg.6876$KB.1685@fed1read08...
I have a 90 4runner. No power but I get 20 in town and 25 on the road.
The poor gas milage is one of downsides but then I can't find a vehicle
which does everything I want and gets good mileage too.
Dave L
news:I5ebg.23939$Qq.16524@clgrps12...
Youngster? lol. Funny how people (even at work) think I'm in my early to
mid 20s. They're only about a decade off. ;-)
Brian Smith
>
> Youngster? lol. Funny how people (even at work) think I'm in my early to
> mid 20s. They're only about a decade off. ;-)
That still makes you a youngster from my viewpoint. {;^)
TeGGeR®
It's up!
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage.xls
Download and distribute as you wish.
THIS is the correct way to calculate mileage, provided each fillup is to
max.
I'll eventually make a new file with clear fields and post it on a new page
entitled something like "how to record your mileage".
What would be excellent is for people to do their own population of the
spreadsheet with their own accurate real-world data, then send the
resulting XLS to me. I think it would make an awesome real-life resource
for gas mileage data.
When I get a moment, I'll transfer my own data into a copy of that XLS and
post that too. Got ten years of data to put up.
Thanks very much to Dave Kelsen. Great contribution.
TeGGeR®
And I'll chase that young whippersnapper to the ends of the earth, once I
find my cane that is...
TeGGeR®
news:1148047968....@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> I typed 13 years of of a 1990 civic costs into a spreadsheet
> inlcuding maintenance, repairs, insurance, taxes and ticket fines.
> I think the total came to about four times the purchase price
> or about 20 cents a mile over 222K miles.
Send it to me.
TeGGeR®
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>
> It's up!
> http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage.xls
> Download and distribute as you wish.
>
> THIS is the correct way to calculate mileage, provided each fillup is
> to max.
Actually, that's not even necessary, as Dave Kelsen pointed out on
Thursday. You just have to make sure your calculated interval is bracketed
by consistent fills.
Dave L
"Brian Smith" <Hal...@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
Yeah, I thought along those lines after I posted. I'm used to people seeing
me and then finding out my actual age. Still have friends say I haven't
really changed much from high school. Still get carded in a restaurant
sometimes if I get a glass of wine or beer with dinner. Not sure to take
that as a compliment or insult!
I digress. Now, how did the topic get changed the mpg of an Element to this
conversation??? lol
Dave L
"TeGGeRŽ" <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> "Brian Smith" <Hal...@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
> news:I5ebg.23939$Qq.16524@clgrps12:
>
>>
>> "Dave L" <davelieu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:bfOdnTbShO5...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was
>>> still widely used.
>>>
>>> -Dave (running) ;-)
>>
>> You had better duck while you're running, youngster <g>.
>>
>>
>
>
> And I'll chase that young whippersnapper to the ends of the earth, once I
> find my cane that is...
Let me know when you find your cane so I can grab my walker....
Dave L
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Excellent - Thank you Dave Kelsen and Tegger!
I've still got my mpg tracking for my past cars, except my '89 Prelude Si.
Gave that away when I got rid of the car. Now I really wish I kept it.
This Accord is the first new car I bought so I've got to fill out the
spreadsheet too - except the cost. Never tracked it.
Thanks again,
-Dave
TeGGeR®
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>
> If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the
> formulas still in it, for you to use.
>
I'm playing with your Excel spreadsheet right now. So far it's fascinating.
I've only got 24 entries for 1991 in there so far, and it's already a real
eye-opener.
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage-teg-test.xls
I'm up to 4,419 miles at the moment. Maximum mileage (so far about 25mpg)
was achieved at approx 1,500 miles. It's been very stable from 1,500 to
4,400.
It will be interesting to see what happens as it nears my current 28mpg at
267,000 miles.
Hey people, do you see what can be revealed if you keep detailed records?
Mike in Texas
getting a consistent 28MPG on the long flat highway stretches with the
cruise control/AC on, tire pressure about 36psi, doing 58-65mph. That was
only on the days I was on the highway 95% of the time. Otherwise, I normally
get from from 20 to 24mpg depending on my highway/city mix. These figures
are based on the acutual miles driven after a fill divided by the exact
gallons used during the fill up. Maybe if I turned off the AC and cruised at
50MPH I "might" gain an extra 1-3MPG, but don't plan on me to experiment
doing this.
Mike
"grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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>I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in
>while how they like it.
>
> One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city.
> But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was getting 31mpg on
> the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high.
>
Brian Smith
>
> Yeah, I thought along those lines after I posted. I'm used to people
> seeing me and then finding out my actual age. Still have friends say I
> haven't really changed much from high school. Still get carded in a
> restaurant sometimes if I get a glass of wine or beer with dinner. Not
> sure to take that as a compliment or insult!
>
> I digress. Now, how did the topic get changed the mpg of an Element to
> this conversation??? lol
LOL! It happens.
grinder
"Mike in Texas" <mikei...@excite.com> wrote in message
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>I just recently returned from a 5 day road in my 2003 Element and I was
>getting a consistent 28MPG on the long flat highway stretches with the
>cruise control/AC on, tire pressure about 36psi, doing 58-65mph. That was
>only on the days I was on the highway 95% of the time. Otherwise, I
>normally get from from 20 to 24mpg depending on my highway/city mix.
>These figures are based on the acutual miles driven after a fill divided by
>the exact gallons used during the fill up. Maybe if I turned off the AC and
>cruised at 50MPH I "might" gain an extra 1-3MPG, but don't plan on me to
>experiment doing this.
> Mike
>
You probably get better gas mileage with the AC on and the windows closed
than the AC off and the windows open.
My '90 4Runner gets 20 mpg in the city and 25 on the highway. Of course
that is with a 22R-E 4 cylinder. Very very rugged but only puts out 116hp.
Takes about 2 miles to get up to highway speed.
mrdancer
>
> "mrdancer" wrote in message...
> > "Dave L" wrote in message...
> >> My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's
more
> >> city or highway driving. The 2 trips with almost all highway driving
was
> >> 33-34 mpg. Could have done better but that would have upset the
drivers
> >> behind me.
> >
> > I don't keep records, but I like doing math in my head, so I can easily
> > figure out to within less than 1mpg every time I fill the tank. My '02
> > Accord LX coupe w/ manual averages around 30-32 city/commuting (I
> > typically
> > fill up after the low-fuel light comes on, putting in around 14 gallons
at
> > between 400-450 miles), worst is around 26-27mpg in winter commuting,
best
> > is 40mpg on extended highway trips - I've done this at least twice while
> > averaging around 68mph for an 850-mile trip (yes, this means I was
> > cruising
> > 70-75mph for most of the trip), with A/C on and the car loaded down
pretty
> > good with luggage. Since those figures were seemingly high, I
> > double-checked them with a calculator to be sure. :ţ
>
> Wow - that's excellent gas mileage. Sounds like you're doing much better
> than the ratings for this car. What is it "supposed" to get? One thing I
IIRC, the EPA ratings were something like 28/35 city/hwy. In my defense,
I'm driving the car mostly in a small town (pop. 14k) and have an easy
8-mile commute to work (have to watch out for deer/turkeys rather than
traffic jams). I also tend to keep my revs below 3krpm. I'm not a frugal
driver, but there are enough slow people on the road that I try not to get
into too big of a hurry - the high gas prices don't seem to be reducing
highway traffic at all. Those 850-mile trips are also on pretty level
ground (from TX to South Dakota). One thing is for sure, the car will get
better mpg driving with the A/C on in 90-degree heat, than it will driving
along in 20- to 30-degree temps. One last caveat: I've gotten the higher
mpg with Goodyear TripleTreads with a few extra psi over recommended. Seems
like the highest I've gotten with the original tires (Bridgestone, IIRC) was
only 38 or 39mpg
> wouldn't do is consistently drive until the fuel light comes on. I
> understand it has a tendency to kill a fuel pump quicker when run so low.
> Also allows more water to build up in the tank, which could help promote
> rust.
That's certainly a possibility. OTOH, I drove my '92 Dakota V8 to low-fuel
light constantly, always using the cheapest gas I could find, and the
engine, injectors and original fuel pump were still running like new when I
sold the truck with 167k miles on it. As an aside, with my Accord, there is
still 4 gallons left in the 18-gallon tank when the low-fuel light comes
on - the most I've ever put in is 15 gallons, and I was getting pretty
nervous when I waited that long.
Dave L
> IIRC, the EPA ratings were something like 28/35 city/hwy. In my defense,
> I'm driving the car mostly in a small town (pop. 14k) and have an easy
> 8-mile commute to work (have to watch out for deer/turkeys rather than
> traffic jams). I also tend to keep my revs below 3krpm. I'm not a frugal
> driver, but there are enough slow people on the road that I try not to get
> into too big of a hurry - the high gas prices don't seem to be reducing
> highway traffic at all. Those 850-mile trips are also on pretty level
> ground (from TX to South Dakota). One thing is for sure, the car will get
> better mpg driving with the A/C on in 90-degree heat, than it will driving
> along in 20- to 30-degree temps. One last caveat: I've gotten the higher
> mpg with Goodyear TripleTreads with a few extra psi over recommended.
> Seems
> like the highest I've gotten with the original tires (Bridgestone, IIRC)
> was
> only 38 or 39mpg
I believe the '05 is rated at 26/34 so it's not too far off. I'm not a
frugal driver either but also don't race the engine. As you've shown, the
driver does have a big impact on gas mileage.
>> wouldn't do is consistently drive until the fuel light comes on. I
>> understand it has a tendency to kill a fuel pump quicker when run so low.
>> Also allows more water to build up in the tank, which could help promote
>> rust.
>
> That's certainly a possibility. OTOH, I drove my '92 Dakota V8 to
> low-fuel
> light constantly, always using the cheapest gas I could find, and the
> engine, injectors and original fuel pump were still running like new when
> I
> sold the truck with 167k miles on it. As an aside, with my Accord, there
> is
> still 4 gallons left in the 18-gallon tank when the low-fuel light comes
> on - the most I've ever put in is 15 gallons, and I was getting pretty
> nervous when I waited that long.
I've only driven a few times when my gas light came on. It was normally
from long trips, mainly highway driving. The Accord does have a good sized
tank. My '05 has a 17.1 gallon tank. Most I've ever put in was around 15
too. I know what you mean about getting nervous - driving on the highway
with the light glowing.... looking for a gas station!
-Dave