GM not #1
Ed Pawlowski
The U.K.'s Guardian explains, "Volkswagen-Porsche has overtaken Toyota to
become the world's largest car manufacturer as the German group benefits
from state-backed stimulus packages around the globe." VW has "produced 4.4
million vehicles so far this year, outstripping its Japanese rival which has
seen four million cars roll off production lines since January."
The news doesn't just push Toyota down a notch. Jalopnik notes that VW has
"passed Toyota and GM at the top of the heap." America's largest automaker -
the world's largest just three years ago - now sits in third globally
raamman
>
> The U.K.'s Guardian explains, "Volkswagen-Porsche has overtaken Toyota to
> become the world's largest car manufacturer as the German group benefits
> from state-backed stimulus packages around the globe." VW has "produced 4.4
> million vehicles so far this year, outstripping its Japanese rival which has
> seen four million cars roll off production lines since January."
>
> The news doesn't just push Toyota down a notch. Jalopnik notes that VW has
> "passed Toyota and GM at the top of the heap." America's largest automaker -
> the world's largest just three years ago - now sits in third globally
considering that vw has a fairly small footprint in NA that is quite
an achievement
C. E. White
"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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> Mike, what happened to GM?
Wouldn't it be more interesting to know what happened to Toyota?
Ed
Mike Hunter
Toyota has been the number one "brand name" car maker in the US for several
years, but GM has been selling more "cars," but they do not have the same
brand name on the grill.
GM cars until recently have five different brand names on the grills of the
CARS it sells. Since the start of the new GM, it only has two three car
brands so it total car sales will surely go down.
GM is still the number one seller of VEHICLES in the US and that includes
TRUCKS. Ford is still number two and Toyota is still number three, in total
VEHICLE sales in the US. The best selling CAR brand car numbers do not
come even close to the top selling TRUCK brand numbers.
The Japanese vehicle manufacture are subsidized by their government as well,
and always have been, ever since WWII LOL
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Jim_Higgins
Mikey again vomiting forth the same old, false and way out of date lies
about how great GM is. You are deserving only of pity.
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Eric O.
> DUH, does the term "CAR MAKER" have any meaning to you? The fact is
> Toyota has been the number one "brand name" car maker in the US for several
> years, but GM has been selling more "cars," but they do not have the same
> brand name on the grill.
>
> GM cars until recently have five different brand names on the grills of the
> CARS it sells. Since the start of the new GM, it only has two three car
> brands so it total car sales will surely go down.
>
> GM is still the number one seller of VEHICLES in the US and that includes
> TRUCKS. Ford is still number two and Toyota is still number three, in total
> VEHICLE sales in the US. The best selling CAR brand car numbers do not
> come even close to the top selling TRUCK brand numbers.
>
> The Japanese vehicle manufacture are subsidized by their government as well,
> and always have been, ever since WWII LOL
I think you're comparing apples and oranges. You're talking about
vehicle sales just in the US, while the article is talking about total
worldwide sales.
Eric
Eric O.
> considering that vw has a fairly small footprint in NA that is quite
> an achievement
One thing I think is interesting is that there seem to be regional
differences in the popularity of different car brands. I live in
Oregon, and I actually see quite a few Volkswagens on the road, as well
as Honda, Toyota, Lexus, etc.. It seems that import brands are more
popular here. I do see quite a few cars here made by GM and Ford, too,
but it seems that GM and Ford are more popular in the midwest US.
Eric
Mike Hunter
the facts. If you do you will discover GM is still the number one seller
of VEHICLES in the US, Ford is still number two and Toyota is still number
numbers do not come even close to the top selling TRUCK brand numbers.
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Eric O.
> Prove it to yourself, dummy. Search the US Commerce Department site for
> the facts. If you do you will discover GM is still the number one seller
> of VEHICLES in the US, Ford is still number two and Toyota is still number
> three, in total VEHICLE sales in the US. The best selling CAR brand car
> numbers do not come even close to the top selling TRUCK brand numbers.
You're comparing apples and oranges in discussing sales within the US,
when the article is talking about worldwide sales.
Eric
Mike Hunter
just cars, by far in the US and Toyota and the rest of the Jap cars are not
a big sellers Europe. The article was ambiguous in referring to CAR sales
in Europe.
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Eric O.
> Perhaps but the subject was, GM not #1, and the largest VEHICLE market, not
> just cars, by far in the US and Toyota and the rest of the Jap cars are not
> a big sellers Europe. The article was ambiguous in referring to CAR sales
> in Europe.
Why does it matter if the article mentions Europe or not? This article
is talking about the worldwide market. From the article's title
("Volkswagen Steals Toyota's Crown as World's Largest Automaker"), one
can surmise that Toyota was the world's largest automaker, but right now
VW holds that distinction.
Also, here's an article from a couple years ago that says Toyota
overtook GM in global vehicle sales:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18286221
So it seems that what has been said in this newsgroup is accurate.
Toyota was #1, but at the moment VW is #1. World-wide, of course.
Eric
Tom
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>Mike these people are happy with their jap cars let them be. They
>complain about the taxpayer money going
to GM which they a least have a hope of getting some of it back, yet they
will keep on buying jap and korean cars and contribute to the 68 billion
buck a month we send to japan, korea, and china with no hope of getting any
of it back.
its amazing that people in the USA sing the praises of all things foreign
while degrading those of us that try to support
the usa whenever we can. Most of the faulty products I have in the house
are foreign made. a Kenmore refrigerator made by LG has been a piece of crap
it has had five service calls 3 times for the same thing. my old one was
made by Frigidare (GM) and lasted 30 years with no problems. Most kitchen
items are made off shore and are throw aways. My first flat screen made by
LG was a piece of junk failed 2 times one of which took 7 weeks for a part
and it was the wrong one. cell phones 2 years tops if nothing else goes the
battery goes and has to have a expensive replacement.
Eric O.
> Mike these people are happy with their jap cars let them be. They
> complain about the taxpayer money going
> to GM which they a least have a hope of getting some of it back, yet
> they will keep on buying jap and korean cars and contribute to the 68
> billion buck a month we send to japan, korea, and china with no hope of
> getting any of it back.
> its amazing that people in the USA sing the praises of all things
> foreign while degrading those of us that try to support
> the usa whenever we can. Most of the faulty products I have in the
> house are foreign made. a Kenmore refrigerator made by LG has been a
> piece of crap it has had five service calls 3 times for the same thing.
> my old one was made by Frigidare (GM) and lasted 30 years with no
> problems. Most kitchen items are made off shore and are throw aways. My
> first flat screen made by LG was a piece of junk failed 2 times one of
> which took 7 weeks for a part and it was the wrong one. cell phones 2
> years tops if nothing else goes the battery goes and has to have a
> expensive replacement.
If you can name some electronics/appliance manufacturers whose products
are 100% made in the US, then I would be surprised. As much as I
appreciate a quality product, the fact of the matter is that one of the
reasons why so many of those brands are popular in the US is because
their products are cheap (not necessarily high in quality). Also, many
American companies contract companies in other countries to build their
products, likely because it's cheaper to do business that way. That's
capitalism for you - one of the founding principles of the US.
Eric
Mike Hunter
trucks. The largest market for light trucks is in the US, where the
domestic rule and nearly 50% of the vehicles sold in the US are light
trucks, where they make most of their money. VW and Toyota sell mostly
small and midget cars around the world, that have a much lower makeup, and
in a class where GM generally does not compete.
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Jim_Higgins
Green sky in your world, eh Mikey?
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Mike Hunter
could buy an American made major appliance, when the got married, and have
it till they died.
I have a deep freezer in my home in the Pocono Mountains, because I only go
there a weeks our of the year. It was my mothers, purchased after the war.
My kids keep telling me to get a new one because the are more "efficient."
I say to them, you mean like two we have replaced at home since you were
born? LOL
When I was in retail, we loved the people who bought our Toyotas, because we
could always get a lot more profit on the sale as well as a higher shop rate
for maintenance and make more on parts, than our domestic brands, because
the buyer though the Toyotas were "better."
When I owned my fleet service business, we serviced Toyota owned by some of
the minor fleets. Our records proved that the overall repair rates were no
better than average and they cost the fleet more to buy and were a lot more
expensive to repair, when they did need to be repaired, and all vehicles at
some point NEED to be repaired.
Some of the fleet owners switched to Fords when we compared the repair
histories for them but some still wanted to buy Toyotas because they still
believed the were better, go figure LOL
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Mike Hunter
your costs and reduces your economies of scale, you must re-price you
product or service to stay in business. If you can not do that for the
service you provide then you must raise your price or reduce you work force
or the benefits receives.
If it is your product you can reduce your quality or your price. Reducing
your quality will cost you customers. Reducing your price will reduce the
profits you need to sustain your business. Ether one will send your
customers to the importer, who does not have to deal with all of the US
government mandates and does not have nearly your costs for your materials
and labor.
The answer becomes simple, join the importer and take advantage of foreign
laws and labor costs for some of your materials or move your entire
production off shore completely.
If the BO and the Dims actually do some of the things they are proposing,
like nation health care and that goofy carbon tax, you can bet the farm that
manufacturing will flee this county in mass, because manufacturers know that
the greed American consumer will buy anything from foreign countries, if
they think they can save a dollar. Even those foreign companies like
Toyota, that now only assemble their products her in the US, will leave as
well, to escape the inevitable higher taxes, inflation and interest rates
coming in the US because of our ever growing nation debt.
God bless America if these loons get their way. Where will your children
and grand children get a job in this country in ten years? The only skill
that they will need is how to say, "Welcome to Wal-Mart," or "Do you want
fries with that?"
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Eric O.
> In car sales that is correct, but the auto manufacturers also sell light
> trucks. The largest market for light trucks is in the US, where the
> domestic rule and nearly 50% of the vehicles sold in the US are light
> trucks, where they make most of their money. VW and Toyota sell mostly
> small and midget cars around the world, that have a much lower makeup, and
> in a class where GM generally does not compete.
Okay, but I'm not really sure what you're getting at. VW and Toyota may
sell mostly small and midget cars, but they apparently sell more of
those world-wide than the light truck makers sell in the US. I had the
impression that the article was talking about the world-wide market, not
the US market.
Eric
Mike Hunter
included Toyota would be number one, way above VW. As to which particular
vehicle is number one, in the US and world wide, it is the Ford F150 and has
been for over thirty years.
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Yech!
So that means we'll be seeing a bunch of new air-cooled two door oval
cars behind us.
I think I ran over a VW bug once. I know I hit something and eventually I
found a small metal emblem with a wolf and a castle in my front wheel
well.
It looked like this:
: http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/
resources/2007/10/59_VW_Emblem_Wolfsburg.jpg
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>> an achievement
>
> One thing I think is interesting is that there seem to be regional
> differences in the popularity of different car brands. I live in
> Oregon, and I actually see quite a few Volkswagens on the road, as well
> as Honda, Toyota, Lexus, etc.. It seems that import brands are more
> popular here. I do see quite a few cars here made by GM and Ford, too,
> but it seems that GM and Ford are more popular in the midwest US.
I noticed that as well.
One time, I made a post on the Avalanche forum about how my truck was the
only domestic (If you call a Mexican-built truck, domestic.) in the
parking lot of my local park.
The rest were Mercedes, BMW, Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura and Nissan/
Infiniti.
Several posted back that - in the midwest and south - they rarely see
anything but Chevy/Ford/Chrysler.
Eric O.
> The article said world-wide auto market, read cars. If trucks were
> included Toyota would be number one, way above VW. As to which particular
> vehicle is number one, in the US and world wide, it is the Ford F150 and has
> been for over thirty years.
Toyota does seem to sell a lot of trucks and SUVs in the US..
Eric O.
> Yech!
>
> So that means we'll be seeing a bunch of new air-cooled two door oval
> cars behind us.
What cars would those be? I don't think there are many car makers
making air-cooled cars anymore..
Mike Hunter
Toyota best selling vehicle is a car, the Camry. Its worst selling car
sell at a better rate than the Tundra, however the sales of which have been
dismal since day one.
On the other hand Ford and GMs best selling vehicle is a truck, both of
which have sold at a rate nearly double that of the Camry.
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GM slide to #3 and is on skid plates.
Admit it.
As for GM being #1 in the US, it isn't by much and falling. And it
would be zero. Factor in this years bailouts to GM, it works out to a
taxpayer debt funded subsidy of over $60,000.
How could even the inept GM fail with a $60,000 subsidy per vehicle. LMAO.
Canuck57
taxpayers line of credit for each one sold.
Canuck57
Canuck57
whole lot less than GM.
Because they make money, unlike GM which bleeds debt, dysfunction and
inefficiency.
Mike Hunter
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When hyper stagflation hits, GM will go under fast. You will wake up
one morning to see GM gone for good.
Canuck57
> In car sales that is correct, but the auto manufacturers also sell light
> trucks. The largest market for light trucks is in the US, where the
> domestic rule and nearly 50% of the vehicles sold in the US are light
> trucks, where they make most of their money. VW and Toyota sell mostly
> small and midget cars around the world, that have a much lower makeup, and
> in a class where GM generally does not compete.
Maybe you should rephrase that.
GM can't compete int eh small vehicle market because they make utter crap.
Vega, Firenza or Geo anyone?
I rest my case. Unless GM is going to import them from GM-Asia/Pac,
they don't have a chance in hell.
Canuck57
Canuck57
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>> So that means we'll be seeing a bunch of new air-cooled two door oval
>> cars behind us.
>
> What cars would those be? I don't think there are many car makers
> making air-cooled cars anymore..
http://www.avonhill.com/thumbnails/coupe_imported/1972_VW_Beetle.jpeg
Eric O.
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:33:44 -0800, Eric O. fired up the etcha-a-sketch
> and scratched out:
>
>>> So that means we'll be seeing a bunch of new air-cooled two door oval
>>> cars behind us.
>> What cars would those be? I don't think there are many car makers
>> making air-cooled cars anymore..
>
> http://www.avonhill.com/thumbnails/coupe_imported/1972_VW_Beetle.jpeg
You had said "new" cars.. VW doesn't make that old-style Beetle
anymore. I don't think VW makes any air-cooled cars anymore..
PerfectReign
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Erm, it was a joke.
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