Anyone having problems with fuel system with there cummins??
Gary
bought a newer Dodge Ram(cummins), in years of at 2002-2005. In 2004 I
bought brand new a dodge ram 3500 diesel. Eversince I've got in been in
and out of shop.I've had many problems with fuel injectors and all that
good stuff. Now just a about month now, I brought it in once again
because was running reallly bad. They said I got water in the fuel,
(they said 33%water, and all us people that know diesels agree that a
truck can run on that much!!!)but anyway, so they said my warranty is
voided so I will have to pay between 7,000 to 10,000 dollars to get all
new injectors, pump, lines etc. I know I am not paying it. This trouble
is only at 36,000!!!miles!!!
I always was a big fan of Dodge.Now they are down on the list of
favorites. Their company disappointed me. They did nothing to help
except be rude to me. They are no help and not just the dealerships are
rude but the big boys are too.
So please anyone out they that can help me????
Just e-mail back on the troubles you've had and the stories, and
mileage happened...etc. IT would be a BIG HELP!!
Thanks for all your time!!
Gary
Max Dodge
> bought a newer Dodge Ram(cummins), in years of at 2002-2005. In 2004 I
> bought brand new a dodge ram 3500 diesel. Eversince I've got in been in
> and out of shop.I've had many problems with fuel injectors and all that
> good stuff.
All that good stuff?
> Now just a about month now, I brought it in once again
> because was running reallly bad. They said I got water in the fuel,
> (they said 33%water, and all us people that know diesels agree that a
> truck can run on that much!!!)
Well, I know diesels, and I won't agree to that. 33%? WTF? dump snow in it?
piss in the tank? How the hell do you get the equivalant of 10 gallons of
water in there and NOT get a water in fuel light?
Ya ain' lyin' to us, now are ya?
> but anyway, so they said my warranty is
> voided so I will have to pay between 7,000 to 10,000 dollars to get all
> new injectors, pump, lines etc. I know I am not paying it. This trouble
> is only at 36,000!!!miles!!!
Oh, but you are, if they voided it because of water in the fuel.
> I always was a big fan of Dodge.Now they are down on the list of
> favorites. Their company disappointed me. They did nothing to help
> except be rude to me. They are no help and not just the dealerships are
> rude but the big boys are too.
> So please anyone out they that can help me????
> Just e-mail back on the troubles you've had and the stories, and
> mileage happened...etc. IT would be a BIG HELP!!
> Thanks for all your time!!
Yeah, get real. Pay for your losses and quit whining. This is a help to you
because it demonstrates responsibility on your part. This demonstration
makes you a better person, and more likely to get respect.
Try it sometime.
--
Max
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
"Gary" <GK...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Steve Lusardi
I feel very sorry this has happened to you. I cannot speak for others, but I
also have an '04 Dually with 10,900 miles. I have had only two faults. I had
a slight vibration on the clutch pedal and I got a new clutch at no cost.
The second fault was an occasional misfire and a faulty crank sensor fixed
that and gave me 2 mpg more. I cannot complain. The combination of Cummins
and Dodge is unbeatable. This is the best truck I ever owned. Of course,
water in the fuel, can happen to anyone at anytime. It only takes one tank
of fuel, but the water separater/filter and sensor should have limited any
damage. I would be more wary of low fuel feed pressure at the high pressure
pump as the real cause. This has taken out a lot of high pressure pumps in
the past. I installed gauges on the A pillar before I had 3,000 miles on the
truck. My fuel pressure never was more than 7 psi and would drop to 4 psi
under heavy throttle. By the time I got to 8,500 miles, it was dropping to 2
psi, so I felt I had to change my filter. It rose to 7 psi and drops to 4
psi now, but that is dangerously low. This is a design fault and I am busy
buying parts to modify the truck so the high pressure pump doesn't cavitate.
If the high pressure pump does cavitate because of lack of fuel feed, the
fuel vaper and excessive turbulence in the high pressure circuit will trash
the pump and injectors. Without gauges, you have no idea the problem is
occurring. Secondly, the damage caused by this fault looks exactly like
water in the fuel damage! I believe you can make a case for this. If Tom
Lawrence reads this thread, I hope he also responds.
Steve
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Steve Lusardi
That's a terrible response! Please read my comment, this problem could very
well be caused by the lift pump.
Steve
"Max Dodge" <max...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Nathan W. Collier
>> good stuff.
>
> All that good stuff?
by pleading ignorance to the specifics he can avoid straight answers if
called to task on his statements.
> Ya ain' lyin' to us, now are ya?
that was my first thought after reading his post.
to the original poster, please scan the dealer receipts from the troubles
youve had in the past. cut out your last name and all personal information.
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Tom Lawrence
on the fuel tank vents. Read through this thread over at the Turbo Diesel
Register:
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125393
Max Dodge
2) Water in fuel with no light?
3) A claim of 33% water in fuel by the dealership is either totally bogus on
someone's part, or the owner of the truck should have installed a snorkel.
4) The number (unknown, but inferred as many) of problems on this truck
indicate a lemon or a history of abuse by the owner. See above why I fell on
the abuse side of the line.
5) If this is not a troll of some sort, he's been horribly misled by his
dealer.
--
Max
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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"Steve Lusardi" <steve...@lusardi.de> wrote in message
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Gary
My water in fuel light never came on at all. Even all the mechanics
that worked on my truck said that they never saw anytype of light. My
whole family has drove and my workers and they agree that they has been
no light How was I suspose to know if there was water in it. ???Can you
answer to that??
Also I'm not a whiner type,I am , lets say older man, with a family,
and own business, so lets just say I get enough whining. I am done with
their attitudes to me.
I have not treated them poorly through this. I wouldn't be worried
about this problem and dodge reaction to this conflict only happened to
me. It hasn't. I have heard of number of people with silmar problems.
Also I wouldn't be talking about respect, I can see you have very
respectful ways of helping people.
Gary
Max Dodge
> that worked on my truck said that they never saw anytype of light. My
> whole family has drove and my workers and they agree that they has been
> no light How was I suspose to know if there was water in it. ???Can you
> answer to that??
Yup, truck will have a lack of power, and the water in fuel light will come
on. If neither happened prior to damage to the truck, your documentation of
such would be enough to arouse a warranty claim. You say the mechanics knew
this, yet you claim the dealer to be denying it. Which is it? If both, Why
ask us what to do, get a lawyer. The conflict you are presenting leads me to
believe there are facts left out.
> Also I'm not a whiner type,I am , lets say older man, with a family,
> and own business, so lets just say I get enough whining. I am done with
> their attitudes to me.
Then call a zone rep and your lawyer.
> I have not treated them poorly through this. I wouldn't be worried
> about this problem and dodge reaction to this conflict only happened to
> me. It hasn't. I have heard of number of people with silmar problems.
> Also I wouldn't be talking about respect, I can see you have very
> respectful ways of helping people.
I do, when they come across as genuine. You did not, and still are not. You
don't want help, you want legal advice. None of us are qaulified or stupid
enough to give it online. Proof of your situation and the claim that many
people are involved in similar troubles will not be found online; you will
need hard copy to convince a court or jury. Thus, you won't find what you
are seeking here. I suggest that you are intelligent enough to already know
this, thus my conclusion that your request for help isn't exactly genuine.
--
Max
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
"Gary" <GK...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Gary
I don't like putting all that online.
Yes, I know I put"all that good stuff", Lets change it to" etc."
Gary
people out there that had problems in the fuel system. Also it was
great how other are helping me. Thank you all for your help, and
kindness.
Max Dodge
said you wanted legal advice, but that is in fact what you are looking for
by asking who else has had the problem. There are gaping holes in the facts
on this situation. If this is the fault of the dealer, you should be seeking
leagal advice, even if you are not asking for it.
--
Max
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Roy
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I thought that problem was resolved with the 04.
Roy
Jay
Tom Lawrence
I thought it was '05, actually. Could have been '04 ('04.5?)
That's the only way, other than a bad load of fuel at the filling station,
to get THAT much water in a fuel system.
Gary
Gary
at all the gas stations that I have been to in last 2 weeks, and no
water.I checked my tank too, and it tested negative. So I don't know.
So was this problem a recall??
Mike Simmons
> no biodiesel,
>
I have read, re-read and read again your post and the others responses and
frankly I still don't understand all I know about your problems.
Firstly, to clarify one point, your dealer cannot void your vehicle
warranty. This can only be done by DaimlerChrysler, not the dealership.
Since you did not have the water-in-fuel indicator illuminated, did you
"see" any evidence of water in the fuel? Did the dealer see any evidence of
water in the fuel. By evidence, I mean actual water in the fuel?
I would take your truck to another dealer for a second opinion and then if
you have no luck, call the Chrysler Customer Center at (800) 992-1997.
Something just doesn't sound right here.
Mike
Tom Lawrence
> So was this problem a recall??
No, no recall.
Steve brought up a good point before about possible damage from pump
cavitation. Did they find the lines rusted out, and used that to conclude
that water was in the system, or did they just find damaged injectors and a
worn pump?
In other words, did they really find 12 gallons of water in the tank, or did
the damage they observed lead them to conclude it "must have been" due to
excessive water?
Mark D
I know back in the 90's (92) when Dodge started making the 2500 Club Cab
with the Diesel in Mexico, they were having mucho problems, because of
Mexico's poor quality of Diesel fuel.
Cummins was said to not even want their engines down there below the
border.
My buddy bought a '92, had nothing but problems with it (I had a '90
with the Cummins)
When he used to start it up, his truck belched so much white smoke, it
was literally making it's own weather clouds!
Three trips to Dodge, and three trips to Cummins, and the truck still
wasn't fixed.
He decided to go through Arbitration, as Dodge, and Cummins prooved to
be nothing but a bunch of Assholes who then pretty much refused to do
anything to fix his truck.
He won the Arbitration Case against Dodge, and Dodge had to give him
another truck.
That's what you might have to do Gary, since you apparently seem to not
have a leg to stand on by yourself against Dodge. Best of luck, Mark
Gary
book so they can't say I've done something... and so on. Dodge has
proved to me also that they are not good people. They are trying to get
out of this, but I want to hit them where it hurts, pocket and the
trust.I'm going to go threw this whole thing the right way. and also
... don't live in Mexico, I did hear about that, that was a interesting
conflict.
Gary
the only two dealerships around, and ungreatfully have to have the two
worst.
I didn't see any edvidence that I had water in the fuel. The only thing
was it was running like crap and brought in the one dealership said
that had water in tank, so paid for full pump out of tank, (which they
didn't fully at time tell me that cause get damage)the next day drive
it around, still runs like crap, so bring into another dealership and
the find water again, and they are the ones that reported it to
chrysler. Soon to find out that the first dealership didn't pump it out
all the way and so the water settled to bottom, and that what the
second dealership found.
What I can't figure out how they can tell me that I had that much water
in the tank???? No truck can run on that much. If I had that much,
don't ya think I would be putting the whole way or on side the road???
Max Dodge
So I'm not the only one calling for nose plugs on this......
--
Max
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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"Mike Simmons" <mik...@yhti.net> wrote in message
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Mr. Bignose
>>Something just doesn't sound right here.
>>
>>
>
>So I'm not the only one calling for nose plugs on this......
>
>
>
When I was working at a dealership we had an interesting problem. The
state had a 1 ton gas 4X4 with a utility box added to it. This truck
returned 3 times due to drivability problems and no start problems, it
had water in the fuel.. We found that if we drained the fuel tank and
refueled it it would be fine. The truck would go back in service and in
about a weeks time it would return. On the third visit we finally
figured it out. Apparently, when the vendor of the utility bed installed
the bed on the truck the fuel fill hose became damaged. It looked like a
sawsall put a cut in the top of the hose. We could only see this with a
mirror. The rig never leaked any fuel during refueling cause the cut was
at the top of the hose and we only refilled it enough to give it back to
the state. Apparently when it rained water would run down the back of
the cab and drain onto the hose and eventually into the tank........my 2
cents....Mr.B.
Gary
but it does makes me wonder.......
Gary
Max Dodge
denied warranty? What evidence of water in the fuel do they have? If their
techs KNOW the WIF light didn't come on, why isn't the dealer following
their own employees findings?
Right there is why I have a hard time buying this.
--
Max
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Gary
They say that found 33% water in it and they took the frist sample from
inject. line between
the filter and the pump.That the edvdience. but when I drained the tank
myself I barily got water. I mean not even a miliL. And about 34 gallon
tank. so I don't know anymore. The dealer doesn't really have a handle
on this anymore. They seem to now make sure go through chrysler for
everything.I have no idea why they are not going through this like they
should. They is plenty of edvidence that shows this could have been
prevented if they would have faulty parts. Right now I am in the middle
of going to dealerships and having the techs that worked on my truck,
do this surrvey that states simple questions like, did you drive the
truck in and out of the building, did you see and WIF light, then
sighing, so I'm going to have this layed out pretty good. I know it
doesn't sound right how this is happening, like I said thats why I know
someone on the other side has something twisted
Mark D
repair bill for Pump, and Injectors?
Jesus, how much does the whole motor cost?
I'm not sure exactly who you have called, and spoken with, but if you
have not done so yet, I'd definitely give the Zone office a call, and
talk to a factory rep.
Have this person come out to the dealer in question, and all of you are
going to have to get your heads together. About all you have to go by,
is the service bills-sheets.
You'll have to mention that you never got a WIF light come on, so how
were you supposed to know? Does the service write up confirm that?
Sounds to me, that this Dodge Dealer likes placing the blame on their
customers, and are ignoring a legitimate warrantee claim.
Either way, it's not them that lose money, they get paid for the work
one way, or another.
Back when I bought my '90, the Cummins Engine was a great engine. It
was put in a quite shitty, inadequate, outdated truck though.
The newer design truck has many improvements, but over time also, the
Cummins 5.9L has also become more sophisicated, with lots more PITA
"computer crap" on board.
My '90 Cummins had nothing on it. Just a Cold Start Advance, and
Anti-Lock Brakes. That was the only computerized electronic device
under the hood, nothing else.
I never had a problem with the Engine, it was always everything else.
I wish you luck getting this all resolved with your truck. Remember,
keep a cool head, as getting nasty with the reps, etc will surely get
you nowhere. I understand, I'd be fuming mad myself probably at the
lack of concern, and runaround by the dealer, but if these issues are
not handled properly, you wont get anywhere with them.
It may even be a good idea to contact Cummins themselves, and speak with
some people about this. Cummins doesn't like to hear about problems with
their engines due to a problem of a dodge manufactured part. Mark
Gary
process. I have wrote a letter claiming my truck is wrothless and I
claim the lemon law. In time of all this happening last week, I needed
a new truck, and I needed the 4x4 because I needed better
transportation, after a week of looking and trying decide a color, I
bought a new ford super duty, it is quite a cool, truck. It werid going
to a ford after all the years with dodge.
Thanks again for everyones help!!!Gary
Tom Lawrence
> process.
At 36,000 miles? I didn't think any state extended Lemon Law coverage that
far...
Max Dodge
I STILL think this guy is full of crap. Why ask a group of non certified,
non experts who couldn't be called on to testify, about his problems with a
Cummins engine allegedly destroyed by water, that:
1) Is already being dumped out of warranty
2) Appears to have cost too much UNDER warranty
3) Has unclear issues between what the dealer claims, and what the dealer
employeees (who are, for all intents and purposes, the observers for the
dealership) saw
4) Is allegedly in a legal process of some sort, thus alleviating the
further need for advice on how to fix it
5) has just allegedly been replaced by another truck, meaning that the OP is
now paying for TWO trucks.
6) Which means he doesn't have a reason to file for the lemon law, since
he'd get more $$ for the truck privately if it were NOT declared a lemon.
This whole situation is a bit lacking in full disclosure.
--
Max
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Gary
voided warranty and or susspose have warranty.I'm not driving the truck
anymore so the mileage/warranty(suspose to have) is not going
anywhere. For now the truck is a yard decoration.
Gary
through right now, I know it a load of crap, but thats what kind of
unrealistic crap I'm going through.
I'm not really looking for people to testify. I'm just looking if other
people had the same problem....just to see how common it is.I know ppl
on net can't testify.I really don't need that type of information to
win the battle.
Also about the two trucks, I really had no choice in my business and
the weather ,my family can not last without a truck with 4x4
TBone
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