4t65e
David & Robin Johnson
covers up to 00. Looking at swaping in a 00 into a 04 model year but havent
been able to find specific info on the 04.
Refinish King
The Hollander is right 99% of the time.
I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the
gear ratios too.
RK
"David & Robin Johnson" <john...@tds.net> wrote in message
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SnoMan
<Julio...@verizon.net> wrote:
>I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the
>gear ratios too.
There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear
raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and
morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body
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David & Robin Johnson
"SnoMan" <ad...@snoman.com> wrote in message
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ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several
chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options. There must be some
internal changes as the rebuild kits differ. I know there are several
torrington bearings that differ. I have alot of tranny experience but mostly
with rwd. I have a service manual that covers up to the 00 model year change
but nothing beyond that. I have a friend with limited funds who owns a 04
montana. I have available the powertrain from a 00 venture. I can buy the
complete sub frame pull cheaper than I can buy the rebuild kit for his
tranny disregarding any potential problems I may find if I do a rebuild and
the cost I'll probably have to eat for a ATSG manual. My intentions are to
hopefully swap it in next weekend but I dont want to go through the problems
of two sub drops to find it is a no go. And just as a side note there were
several changes made to the 700R4 before it became the 4L60E. Totally off
subject but what is the 8L60E. Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant
trying to pick some brains on this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope
they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny
assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my
hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There
were a couple hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps
installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet
installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08
model year?
Heatwave
ad...@snoman.com says...
Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless
information...
We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L -
(Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
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http://tinyurl.com/2ya3wo
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azwiley1
> In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>,
All I can say is LOL!!!
Snojob steps on his dick once again!!!
Now the "you're a troll" comments shall begin!
nonsense
Give the poor guy a break already. After all, he got
A's on some papers once upon a time. Teacher was
dumber than him.
Refinish King
We have a horse of a different color!
The interchangeability is noted by the color of the plug on the
transmission.
i.e..: Traction control and all that other shit. If the plug on the
transmission matches the color, it's supposed to fit.
I worked in a shop that had the Hollander Interchange, but they also had
over a hundred cars to parts out.
RK
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Refinish King
Sorry.
RK
"Heatwave" <m3lt1ng...@wah00.com> wrote in message
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Refinish King
I hope the flames are low intensity on me!
LOL
RK
"azwiley1" <wile...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Heatwave
wile...@yahoo.com says...
Maybe. I think he's been ignoring me because every time he tries to
attack me it's either a really lame attempt or it backfires in his face.
Heatwave
> I made an honest mistake:
>
> I hope the flames are low intensity on me!
>
> LOL
>
> RK
If its front wheel drive?
LOL don't worry I've seen your post for some time and nothing ever came
close to the egregious postings by snoflake. I'm just wondering if
Snoflake has the snoballs to admit his mistake here considering he once
said:
"When I am clearly in error I will admit it
while others do not so they are never wrong
in their mind anyway." -Snoman (Oct 17 2006)
Hmmmm...
Will he FINALLY practice what he preached and admit his error???
Not holding my breath...
SnoMan
<john...@tds.net> wrote:
>
>ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several
>chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
Likely a typo, it should be a 4L65 which is a RWD tranny in a new SUV.
(a slightly beefed up 4L60 and there was/is a 4L85 to which is a
beefed up 4L80) Also 700R4 and 4L6x tranny all had same ratios and the
"L" stands for longitudal mounting (RWD) There was 4L30 series trany
that was based of 4L60 and a 200R4 based off 700R4 that had different
ratios but 700R4 and 4L6x's did not. The reason I keep mentioning
700R4 is because the 4l60 is based off of it and most of internal
parts interchange (only valve bodies differ).
In link below you can see some GM RWD auto tranny info going back to
the first one made in 40's.
http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=153
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azwiley1
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:08:26 GMT, "David & Robin Johnson"
>
>
> >ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several
> >chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
>
> Likely a typo, it should be a 4L65 which is a RWD tranny in a new SUV.
You are correct, the "L" would be correct if talking about an SUV.
However, where did you gleen this from the OP's post?
Nowhere did he/she mention vehicle type.
I like the way you pass blame on to the OP because you are too damn
stupid to admit you were wrong
SnoMan
wrote:
>You are correct, the "L" would be correct if talking about an SUV.
>However, where did you gleen this from the OP's post?
>Nowhere did he/she mention vehicle type.
It is in a Chevy truck news group and there are no FWD GM trucks,
dah...
>I like the way you pass blame on to the OP because you are too damn
>stupid to admit you were wrong
The only one here acting like a stupid thick troll here is you...
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Steve W.
>
> ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several
> chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options. There must be some
> internal changes as the rebuild kits differ. I know there are several
> torrington bearings that differ. I have alot of tranny experience but mostly
> with rwd. I have a service manual that covers up to the 00 model year change
> but nothing beyond that. I have a friend with limited funds who owns a 04
> montana. I have available the powertrain from a 00 venture. I can buy the
> complete sub frame pull cheaper than I can buy the rebuild kit for his
> tranny disregarding any potential problems I may find if I do a rebuild and
> the cost I'll probably have to eat for a ATSG manual. My intentions are to
> hopefully swap it in next weekend but I dont want to go through the problems
> of two sub drops to find it is a no go. And just as a side note there were
> several changes made to the 700R4 before it became the 4L60E. Totally off
> subject but what is the 8L60E. Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant
> trying to pick some brains on this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope
> they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny
> assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my
> hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There
> were a couple hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps
> installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet
> installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08
> model year?
>
>
Transaxles won't interchange. The later units have a different valve
body, and different internals. The change over year was 2002.
Have you tried car-part.com. They might list a yard nearby that has one
for the 04. Seems to be a LOT of them around this area according to the
Hollander network.
--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York
azwiley1
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:44:14 -0800, azwiley1 <wiley...@yahoo.com>
So, just becasue it is in a Chevy Truck group, it means the only thing
that can be discussed or talked about is Chevy trucks?
I have to ask, when the fuck did you become the moderator?
SnoMan
wrote:
>So, just becasue it is in a Chevy Truck group, it means the only thing
>that can be discussed or talked about is Chevy trucks?
Well it is ASSUMED tht it is a truck unless they state otherwise....
>I have to ask, when the fuck did you become the moderator?
Yuu mean who made you the boss here?
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Heatwave
ad...@snoman.com says...
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:08:26 GMT, "David & Robin Johnson"
> <john...@tds.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several
> >chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
>
>
> Likely a typo, it should be a 4L65 which is a RWD tranny in a new SUV.
Nice cover up... If you really thought this from the start the first
thing you should of posted was a question to verify the subject. Instead
of admitting your unmistakable blunder you blame the OP for a typo, with
no verification, in a lame attempt to save face. Then to top it all off
you continue to tack on drivel in a lame attempt to look intelligent.
> (a slightly beefed up 4L60 and ...........
[SNIP]
> In link below you can see some GM RWD auto tranny info going back to
> the first one made in 40's.
[snip]
[fixed]
azwiley1
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:18:08 -0800, azwiley1 <wiley...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >So, just becasue it is in a Chevy Truck group, it means the only thing
> >that can be discussed or talked about is Chevy trucks?
>
> Well it is ASSUMED tht it is a truck unless they state otherwise....
>
> >I have to ask, when the fuck did you become the moderator?
>
> Yuu mean who made you the boss here?
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
No, that is not what I mean, meant, said or implied you illiterate
ass.
Maybe you shouldn't ASSUME, you make an ass out of yourself on a daily
basis here and in many other groups.
Roy
Nah, that's his usual mo. Wrong or dangerous info, the Idiot get's called on
it and he ignores it or calls people a troll.
He's the same loser he has always been.
Refinish King
RK
"Steve W." <csr6...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Heatwave
> ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several
> chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
Snippet from OP's second post since you still hadn't noticed.
I dont think the OP is interested in your RWD disinformation.
ad...@snoman.com in denial says...
> Well it is ASSUMED tht it is a truck unless they state otherwise....
Funny how you stay in denial all this time when the facts were stated
twice by the original poster.
"When I am clearly in error I will admit it
while others do not so they are never wrong
in their mind anyway." -Snoman (Oct 17 2006)
This thread is getting added to the list unless snoball admits his
error.
BLB
truck platform.
So, yes, there are FWD GM trucks
BLB
. Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant
> trying to pick some brains on this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope
> they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny
> assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my
> hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There
> were a couple hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps
> installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet
> installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08
> model year?
I apologize, but I will call bull on this post. As a GM employee in
the Powertrain division that is in control of blocks, and is typically
on the road at the engine, transmission plants, and final assembly
regarding quality issues as well as compatibility for future year
builds.... You did not see such blocks at a transmission facility.
Also, the structure of the GM & Willow Run (Not warren) GMPT
facilities would not allow you to just stroll in and pick the minds of
the people regarding a problem. Especially if you are in such a
position that you only have a trans guide that only goes up to model
year 2000. In all honesty, there is no way that you would be let in
the gate.
Please prove me wrong, take a photo of your visitor safety card as
well as your safety protocol sticker (supposed to keep both for 1
year), Explain to me what an orange zone is?
David & Robin Johnson
"BLB" <Bria...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, Warren/Willow Run whichever. 696 to Mound road south. Yea you are
>right you can't just cruise around asking questions but it is not uncommon
>to find people out back for a smoke break. Also living in the Toledo area I
>know several people that work at the tranny plant there, also alot at GMPT
>Defiance casting. Know alot of people that transfered from Ft Wayne truck
>plant to Defiance also. The 6.2 blocks were not seen in a either plant,
>actually
they were not at a GM facility at all. Thanks to the UAW a hell of alot of
work
is contracted to outside sources by all of the big 3. In the small town I
live in
there are 3 factories and all of them mfg automotive parts for Ford. My
neighbor
retired from GM about 12 yrs ago. With his benifits included it cost
$56/hour
every time he punched the clock. Those are his words. Can't imagine why
all of the auto makers contract out work. So to see parts outside the
confines
of GM isn't unusual. Couple more strikes and they might all be outside
Detroit.
BLB
> Well, Warren/Willow Run whichever. 696 to Mound road south. Yea you are
>right you can't just cruise around asking questions but it is not uncommon
> >to find people out back for a smoke break. Also living in the Toledo area I
> >know several people that work at the tranny plant there, also alot at GMPT
> >Defiance casting. Know alot of people that transfered from Ft Wayne truck
> >plant to Defiance also. The 6.2 blocks were not seen in a either plant,
> >actually
I still call bull. In order to see someone on a smoke break, you must
be witin the confines of the perimeter fence. plus, 99% of the
employees there do not know how to diagnose a transmission problem.
They will, however, tell you how to place part A into area B. So
again, I call bull.
Oh... Out back is the railyard and the construction area for the
6speed plant. Restricted area.
You know a lot of people who transferred from the Ft to Defiance?
Doubtful. In reality, there has been a reduction in workforce, and
the only people allowed in were under an Appendix in the contract due
to loss of work, which only included Saginaw, Massena, Doraville & OK
City.
>
> they were not at a GM facility at all. Thanks to the UAW a hell of alot of
> work
> is contracted to outside sources by all of the big 3. In the small town I
> live in
> there are 3 factories and all of them mfg automotive parts for Ford. My
> neighbor
> retired from GM about 12 yrs ago. With his benifits included it cost
> $56/hour
> every time he punched the clock. Those are his words. Can't imagine why
> all of the auto makers contract out work. So to see parts outside the
> confines
> of GM isn't unusual. Couple more strikes and they might all be outside
> Detroit.- Hide quoted text -
So what does this have to do with me calling Bull? Evidently, you
want to make a diversion from the truth in order to try to cover up
your lie.
In the future, please tell the truth, there's no need to make up
stories in order for people to like you.
>
> - Show quoted text -
David & Robin Johnson
>the East side, where my buisness takes me, there are several picnic tables
>with large umbrellas. Its easy to find people there. Your statement about
>part a to b is true, might be why nobody knows anything. I'm not sure about
>the exact date but it must have been around 98 99 GMPT Defiance got a bunch
>of people from Ft Wayne. But you need to get your panties out of a bunch,
>its not like GM is area 51 and we are talking about top secret info here.
David & Robin Johnson
BLB
> "BLB" <Brian1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >Ok, Warren/Willow run. Just beside the lubricant and other storage tanks on
> >the East side, where my buisness takes me, there are several picnic tables
> >with large umbrellas. Its easy to find people there. Your statement about
> >part a to b is true, might be why nobody knows anything. I'm not sure about
> >the exact date but it must have been around 98 99 GMPT Defiance got a bunch
> >of people from Ft Wayne. But you need to get your panties out of a bunch,
> >its not like GM is area 51 and we are talking about top secret info here.- Hide quoted text -
>
Which we now come full circle. I requested for a pic of your safety
protocol card/sticker as well as a basic definition of an Orange zone.
These are things that you would posess and know of if you were ever to
cross the perimeter fence into ANY GM facility.
I understand that I'm not the boss of you, and that my requests do not
rule your life. The request is just a way for me to verify your
story, since it sounds false. I don't expect you to jump through
hoops in order to make *me* happy. But I find it odd, after 2 days,
when the story still does not make sense.
BTW, in 98-99, there was an exodus out of GMPT Defiance, due to mold
line 1 being taken out, and the loss of the carrier line. During that
time, people went to places like Ft Wayne..... Not the opposite.
At the same time, many people at GMPT Defiance also went to Willow Run
in order to become a candidate for area hire in Toledo. Others went
to Doraville, Arlington, and Bowling Green for work..... because GMPT
Defiance was about to face a layoff issue. Basically, nobody for the
Fort came to Defiance. It was impossible due to the employment status
of the Defiance plant.
No panties in a bunch.. Just calling you on your statements.