what changes were made to this tranny from 00 to 01. I have a manual that covers up to 00. Looking at swaping in a 00 into a 04 model year but havent been able to find specific info on the 04.
> what changes were made to this tranny from 00 to 01. I have a manual that > covers up to 00. Looking at swaping in a 00 into a 04 model year but > havent been able to find specific info on the 04.
<Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote: >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the >gear ratios too.
There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" > <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the >>gear ratios too.
> There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear > raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and > morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com
ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options. There must be some internal changes as the rebuild kits differ. I know there are several torrington bearings that differ. I have alot of tranny experience but mostly with rwd. I have a service manual that covers up to the 00 model year change but nothing beyond that. I have a friend with limited funds who owns a 04 montana. I have available the powertrain from a 00 venture. I can buy the complete sub frame pull cheaper than I can buy the rebuild kit for his tranny disregarding any potential problems I may find if I do a rebuild and the cost I'll probably have to eat for a ATSG manual. My intentions are to hopefully swap it in next weekend but I dont want to go through the problems of two sub drops to find it is a no go. And just as a side note there were several changes made to the 700R4 before it became the 4L60E. Totally off subject but what is the 8L60E. Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant trying to pick some brains on this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There were a couple hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08 model year?
In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>, ad...@snoman.com says...
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" > <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the > >gear ratios too.
> There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear > raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and > morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com
Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless information...
We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - (Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
> In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>, > ad...@snoman.com says...
> > On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" > > <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the > > >gear ratios too.
> > There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear > > raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and > > morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body > > ----------------- > > TheSnoMan.com
> Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless > information...
> We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
> Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - > (Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
>>>>I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the >>>>gear ratios too.
>>>There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear >>>raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and >>>morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body >>>----------------- >>>TheSnoMan.com
>>Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless >>information...
>>We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
>>Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - >>(Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
>>>I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check >>>the >>>gear ratios too.
>> There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear >> raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and >> morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com
> ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several > chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options. There must be > some internal changes as the rebuild kits differ. I know there are several > torrington bearings that differ. I have alot of tranny experience but > mostly with rwd. I have a service manual that covers up to the 00 model > year change but nothing beyond that. I have a friend with limited funds > who owns a 04 montana. I have available the powertrain from a 00 venture. > I can buy the complete sub frame pull cheaper than I can buy the rebuild > kit for his tranny disregarding any potential problems I may find if I do > a rebuild and the cost I'll probably have to eat for a ATSG manual. My > intentions are to hopefully swap it in next weekend but I dont want to go > through the problems of two sub drops to find it is a no go. And just as a > side note there were several changes made to the 700R4 before it became > the 4L60E. Totally off subject but what is the 8L60E. Was in Toledo last > week at the tranny plant trying to pick some brains on this problem and a > 8L60 was mentioned. Nope they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor > could GMPT Warren tranny assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe > old news for some. I laid my hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. > What are these bad boys for. There were a couple hundred of these there. > All mill work done and main caps installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 > in the side which were not yet installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 > blocks. They were coded for the 08 model year?
> In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>, > ad...@snoman.com says... >> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" >> <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check >> >the >> >gear ratios too.
>> There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear >> raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and >> morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body >> ----------------- >> TheSnoMan.com
> Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless > information...
> We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
> Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - > (Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
> On Nov 4, 8:43 pm, Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0w...@wah00.com> wrote: >> In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>, >> ad...@snoman.com says...
>> > On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" >> > <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check >> > >the >> > >gear ratios too.
>> > There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear >> > raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and >> > morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body >> > ----------------- >> > TheSnoMan.com
>> Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless >> information...
>> We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
>> Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - >> (Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
> On Nov 4, 8:43 pm, Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0w...@wah00.com> wrote: > > In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>, > > ad...@snoman.com says...
> > > On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" > > > <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But check the > > > >gear ratios too.
> > > There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear > > > raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and > > > morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body > > > ----------------- > > > TheSnoMan.com
> > Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless > > information...
> > We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
> > Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - > > (Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
In article <xXwXi.1248$It.239@trndny06>, Julio572...@verizon.net says...
> I made an honest mistake:
> I hope the flames are low intensity on me!
> LOL
> RK
If its front wheel drive?
LOL don't worry I've seen your post for some time and nothing ever came close to the egregious postings by snoflake. I'm just wondering if Snoflake has the snoballs to admit his mistake here considering he once said:
"When I am clearly in error I will admit it while others do not so they are never wrong in their mind anyway." -Snoman (Oct 17 2006)
Hmmmm... Will he FINALLY practice what he preached and admit his error???
>ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several >chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
Likely a typo, it should be a 4L65 which is a RWD tranny in a new SUV. (a slightly beefed up 4L60 and there was/is a 4L85 to which is a beefed up 4L80) Also 700R4 and 4L6x tranny all had same ratios and the "L" stands for longitudal mounting (RWD) There was 4L30 series trany that was based of 4L60 and a 200R4 based off 700R4 that had different ratios but 700R4 and 4L6x's did not. The reason I keep mentioning 700R4 is because the 4l60 is based off of it and most of internal parts interchange (only valve bodies differ).
In link below you can see some GM RWD auto tranny info going back to the first one made in 40's.
> >ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several > >chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
> Likely a typo, it should be a 4L65 which is a RWD tranny in a new SUV.
You are correct, the "L" would be correct if talking about an SUV. However, where did you gleen this from the OP's post? Nowhere did he/she mention vehicle type. I like the way you pass blame on to the OP because you are too damn stupid to admit you were wrong
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:44:14 -0800, azwiley1 <wiley...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You are correct, the "L" would be correct if talking about an SUV. >However, where did you gleen this from the OP's post? >Nowhere did he/she mention vehicle type.
It is in a Chevy truck news group and there are no FWD GM trucks, dah...
>I like the way you pass blame on to the OP because you are too damn >stupid to admit you were wrong
The only one here acting like a stupid thick troll here is you... ----------------- TheSnoMan.com
> ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several > chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options. There must be some > internal changes as the rebuild kits differ. I know there are several > torrington bearings that differ. I have alot of tranny experience but mostly > with rwd. I have a service manual that covers up to the 00 model year change > but nothing beyond that. I have a friend with limited funds who owns a 04 > montana. I have available the powertrain from a 00 venture. I can buy the > complete sub frame pull cheaper than I can buy the rebuild kit for his > tranny disregarding any potential problems I may find if I do a rebuild and > the cost I'll probably have to eat for a ATSG manual. My intentions are to > hopefully swap it in next weekend but I dont want to go through the problems > of two sub drops to find it is a no go. And just as a side note there were > several changes made to the 700R4 before it became the 4L60E. Totally off > subject but what is the 8L60E. Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant > trying to pick some brains on this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope > they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny > assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my > hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There > were a couple hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps > installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet > installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08 > model year?
Transaxles won't interchange. The later units have a different valve body, and different internals. The change over year was 2002.
Have you tried car-part.com. They might list a yard nearby that has one for the 04. Seems to be a LOT of them around this area according to the Hollander network.
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 05:44:14 -0800, azwiley1 <wiley...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >You are correct, the "L" would be correct if talking about an SUV. > >However, where did you gleen this from the OP's post? > >Nowhere did he/she mention vehicle type.
> It is in a Chevy truck news group and there are no FWD GM trucks, > dah...
> >I like the way you pass blame on to the OP because you are too damn > >stupid to admit you were wrong
> The only one here acting like a stupid thick troll here is you... > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com
So, just becasue it is in a Chevy Truck group, it means the only thing that can be discussed or talked about is Chevy trucks? I have to ask, when the fuck did you become the moderator?
In article <ti0ui3hn603je0tsr10b2fqafv4un4a...@4ax.com>, ad...@snoman.com says...
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:08:26 GMT, "David & Robin Johnson" > <johnso...@tds.net> wrote:
> >ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several > >chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options.
> Likely a typo, it should be a 4L65 which is a RWD tranny in a new SUV.
Nice cover up... If you really thought this from the start the first thing you should of posted was a question to verify the subject. Instead of admitting your unmistakable blunder you blame the OP for a typo, with no verification, in a lame attempt to save face. Then to top it all off you continue to tack on drivel in a lame attempt to look intelligent.
> (a slightly beefed up 4L60 and ...........
[SNIP]
> In link below you can see some GM RWD auto tranny info going back to > the first one made in 40's.
On Nov 5, 9:52 am, SnoMan <ad...@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:18:08 -0800, azwiley1 <wiley...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> >So, just becasue it is in a Chevy Truck group, it means the only thing > >that can be discussed or talked about is Chevy trucks?
> Well it is ASSUMED tht it is a truck unless they state otherwise....
> >I have to ask, when the fuck did you become the moderator?
> Yuu mean who made you the boss here? > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com
No, that is not what I mean, meant, said or implied you illiterate ass. Maybe you shouldn't ASSUME, you make an ass out of yourself on a daily basis here and in many other groups.
> In article <1194234731.404864.156...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > wiley...@yahoo.com says... >> On Nov 4, 8:43 pm, Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0w...@wah00.com> wrote: >> > In article <7vtsi39oeuod040m1thrfs4og4m64ka...@4ax.com>, >> > ad...@snoman.com says...
>> > > On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:08:12 GMT, "Refinish King" >> > > <Julio572...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > > >I doubt that anything more than longevity updates were done. But >> > > >check the >> > > >gear ratios too.
>> > > There was no changes. In 05 they upgraded for internal parts but gear >> > > raito have been the same since it was it started life as a 700R4 and >> > > morphed into a 4L60 around 92 with a electronic valve body >> > > ----------------- >> > > TheSnoMan.com
>> > Once again snoball fails to read and provides utterly worthless >> > information...
>> > We're talking about a TRANSAXLE not a TRANSMISSION!
>> > Anyone that understands the difference between the letter L - >> > (Longitude) and the letter T (Transverse) would know that!
>> All I can say is LOL!!! >> Snojob steps on his dick once again!!! >> Now the "you're a troll" comments shall begin!
> Maybe. I think he's been ignoring me because every time he tries to > attack me it's either a really lame attempt or it backfires in his face.
Nah, that's his usual mo. Wrong or dangerous info, the Idiot get's called on it and he ignores it or calls people a troll. He's the same loser he has always been.
>> ya lost me here. 4t65e is a front wheel drive tranny. There are several >> chain ratio's offered along with a couple diff. options. There must be >> some internal changes as the rebuild kits differ. I know there are >> several torrington bearings that differ. I have alot of tranny experience >> but mostly with rwd. I have a service manual that covers up to the 00 >> model year change but nothing beyond that. I have a friend with limited >> funds who owns a 04 montana. I have available the powertrain from a 00 >> venture. I can buy the complete sub frame pull cheaper than I can buy the >> rebuild kit for his tranny disregarding any potential problems I may find >> if I do a rebuild and the cost I'll probably have to eat for a ATSG >> manual. My intentions are to hopefully swap it in next weekend but I dont >> want to go through the problems of two sub drops to find it is a no go. >> And just as a side note there were several changes made to the 700R4 >> before it became the 4L60E. Totally off subject but what is the 8L60E. >> Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant trying to pick some brains on >> this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope they couldn't help me on the >> 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny assembly workers. Here is a >> heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my hands on 6.2 aluminum >> blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There were a couple >> hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps installed. 6 >> bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet installed. >> Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08 model >> year?
> Transaxles won't interchange. The later units have a different valve body, > and different internals. The change over year was 2002.
> Have you tried car-part.com. They might list a yard nearby that has one > for the 04. Seems to be a LOT of them around this area according to the > Hollander network.
On Nov 4, 11:08 pm, "David & Robin Johnson" <johnso...@tds.net> wrote: . Was in Toledo last week at the tranny plant
> trying to pick some brains on this problem and a 8L60 was mentioned. Nope > they couldn't help me on the 4t65 either, nor could GMPT Warren tranny > assembly workers. Here is a heads up, or maybe old news for some. I laid my > hands on 6.2 aluminum blocks, not diesel. What are these bad boys for. There > were a couple hundred of these there. All mill work done and main caps > installed. 6 bolt mains, 4 in the top 2 in the side which were not yet > installed. Looked identical to the 6.0 blocks. They were coded for the 08 > model year?
I apologize, but I will call bull on this post. As a GM employee in the Powertrain division that is in control of blocks, and is typically on the road at the engine, transmission plants, and final assembly regarding quality issues as well as compatibility for future year builds.... You did not see such blocks at a transmission facility.
Also, the structure of the GM & Willow Run (Not warren) GMPT facilities would not allow you to just stroll in and pick the minds of the people regarding a problem. Especially if you are in such a position that you only have a trans guide that only goes up to model year 2000. In all honesty, there is no way that you would be let in the gate.
Please prove me wrong, take a photo of your visitor safety card as well as your safety protocol sticker (supposed to keep both for 1 year), Explain to me what an orange zone is?
