Vocal effects with regard to Monitor Desk Vs. FOH
Benni Alexander
Greetings. Being slightly outdated in this field and also being responsible
for the sound engineering in my Church, I would appreciate some guidance in
this issue.
In the current set-up, we are getting BSS MSR-604 MK2 for splitting e.g. the
microphone signals to the Monitor desk and the FOH.
I assume the monitors on stage sound as close as possible to the final
output from the FOH speakers. In that case, my question is how do I apply
vocal effects, e.g. echo in both cases? I.e. do I get 2 separate effects
units and connect them separately to the monitor desk and the FOH console
and configure them identically? Or is that I get only one to the FOH?
Could somebody please guide me?
Thanks.
WBR,
Ben
Michael W. Ellis
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Since you are splitting signals and driving separate FOH and MON boards you
will be doing two independant mixes. FOH will have its own effects units,
etc. My preference is no effects in the monitor.
--
Michael Ellis
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Mike
> output from the FOH speakers.
False. The monitors only need to have whatever is needed for the
musicians to play together as a group.
> In that case, my question is how do I apply vocal effects, e.g. echo
> in both cases?
FX belong in the FOH mix. They are rarely used in monitors with the
exception of in-ear mixes.
Mike Borkhuis
Audio Images Sound & Lighting Inc
www.audioimagesonline.com
Tim Scott
Unfortunately, there are a lot of vocalists who want FX in their monitors -
this deosn't really help them, as it muddys their monitor sound, as well as
not giving them an accurate picture of how they are singing - never
encourage it
You will likely need one channel of your multicore run as a send from an
output on the FOH desk (an aux) to an input on the monitor desk - so if you
have someone singing to a backing track they can hear the track in the
monitors.
You may go as far as having a few sends wired in, so that you have one for
sending track, another for sending FX (if you don't want to buy another
unit, or the vox need a specifc effect), another send for talkback, and
maybe another spare.
What I did in ne venue was have 4 sends set up, that I could use to run 4
channels of monitors from FOH - setting up whatever routing was necessary on
the mons desk to get it to work. was useful on the days we didn't need the
mons engineer, or he was off doing something else - meant i could run
everything from FOH rather than trying to set two desks in line check time.
Hubert Barth
>I assume the monitors on stage sound as close as possible to the final
>output from the FOH speakers.
No, that愀 not the case. You put in what needs to be heard on stage -
at the place where the monitor speaker is and as sparingly as
possible since everything you add will bleed into your mics.
>In that case, my question is how do I apply
>vocal effects, e.g. echo in both cases? I.e. do I get 2 separate effects
>units and connect them separately to the monitor desk and the FOH console
>and configure them identically? Or is that I get only one to the FOH?
Normally you run monitors without effects. I would only bring an
effect unit if the band specs it. (And those who asked for reverb in
their monitor usually were those who couldn愒 sing.)
regards
--
Hubert Barth
Cologne/Germany
http://www.bigbands.de
unitron
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> WBR,
> Ben
A year ago I got drafted to volunteer to run church sound and it's
turned into an unpaid career so you may be able to benefit from my
experience. You may not need a mic splitter. Email me with your
phone number and times (Eastern Standard) when you'll be available to
talk. It'll be easier over the phone than back and forth in print.
CareyD
> FX belong in the FOH mix. They are rarely used in monitors with the
> exception of in-ear mixes.
> Mike Borkhuis
True, in the case of in-ears, Ben's question is still a good one. The
ear mix needs to be complete rather than a supplement to the acoustic
sound on stage. It may also need some ambience whether from stage or
house mics, or reverb unit. The mix comes very close to being another
variant of the FOH mix. In-ears makes the monitor guys job a lot more
demanding, even though the problems with stage noise and feedback are
largely overcome. It would be worth continuing the discussion on how
effects such as echo and reverb are handled in terms of console
routing in a multiple mix situation...
Regards,
Carey