I saw that in your notifications on FB. Great stuff. Some really funny comments and stories, too. I wish I had shots from some of my earliest gigs. Funny how we thought that stuff was so high end back then.
> I saw that in your notifications on FB. Great stuff. > Some really funny comments and stories, too. > I wish I had shots from some of my earliest gigs. > Funny how we thought that stuff was so high end back then.
it is amazing just how much one thinks they know because they have a couple of years mixing behind them. then they start trying to tell guys with several decades behind them which end is up George
> it is amazing just how much one thinks they know because they have a > couple of years mixing behind them. then they start trying to tell guys > with several decades behind them which end is up
I know. I was subjected to one of these types recently. I was doing monitors on a regluar basis at a club. Now and then, a certain FOH guy would think he should tell me how to do my job. After letting it slide a few times I reminded him that a) I didn't tell him how to do *his* job (though he needed some guidance) and b) I was doing gigs when he was a toddler. I told him that whenever he felt compelled to offer me 'advice' he should just keep it to himself. This particular know-it-all had a habit of falling asleep at FOH during the show. WTF?
> "George's Pro Sound Co." wrote: >> it is amazing just how much one thinks they know because they have a >> couple of years mixing behind them. then they start trying to tell guys >> with several decades behind them which end is up
> I know. I was subjected to one of these types recently. > I was doing monitors on a regluar basis at a club. Now > and then, a certain FOH guy would think he should tell > me how to do my job. After letting it slide a few times I > reminded him that a) I didn't tell him how to do *his* > job (though he needed some guidance) and b) I was > doing gigs when he was a toddler. I told him that whenever > he felt compelled to offer me 'advice' he should just keep it > to himself. > This particular know-it-all had a habit of falling asleep at > FOH during the show. WTF?
I had to deal with this in my band www.myspace.com/barleywinecny one fellow keep offering me his opinion and help with setting up the practice PA eventually I just told him, I can not mix it like shit for your sake but I bequeth the job to you, be my guest, make it sound anyway you want, I will not offer you my opinion, after all if I am not mixing it is not my place to act like as if I am. I never offer opinion to a sound guy unless asked to by the guy himself I am often reconized when out with my woman and asked to"help that guy out" either it is my job or my night out, can't be both
> I never offer opinion to a sound guy unless asked to by the guy himself
Same here. We all know how annoying it is when people are moved to offer an opinion. Even if they are in the biz, I don't want to hear it. The only person who I will listen to is my brother. I trust his judgement and know he would not speak unless it was valid. Besides, I'm older and bigger than him and he knows not to piss me off. ;-)
> I had to deal with this in my band > www.myspace.com/barleywinecny > one fellow keep offering me his opinion and help with setting up the > practice PA > eventually I just told him, I can not mix it like shit for your sake > but I bequeth the job to you, be my guest, make it sound anyway you want, > I will not offer you my opinion, after all if I am not mixing it is not my > place to act like as if I am. > I never offer opinion to a sound guy unless asked to by the guy himself > I am often reconized when out with my woman and asked to"help that guy > out" > either it is my job or my night out, can't be both
Yeah, I slipped up the other day at a gig I was playing. The heavy guitar seemed to have a lot of overpowering sub-bass 'chunking' - my guitar player just isn't aware of what that sounds like through the PA with real subs, etc. Normally I put a low cut on his channel and maybe bring up the bass a bit to pull off the lowest octave. I just think it leaves more space for the kick and the bass guitar. Note this is a direct out from the amp, not a mic.
But during load out, on a impulse, I made a comment to the house sound guy that maybe he could try putting a low cut on the guitar channel to clean up that stuff. He rather tersely replied that he DID have the low cut on - ouch! All I could do is try to laugh it off and said "I guess I'll shut the f** up then!".
I think he knew that I meant well, but I really do need to keep my opinions to myself. After all, if the band sounds bad the sound man *always* gets the blame, and that's still true no matter which side of the board I'm on.
> Looks like a shorter version of some speakers I had to deal with. Only 5 > or > 6 out of 8 worked. in each array.
The top pic. is a standard Shure Vocalmaster PA, isn't it? Despite the size of the amp. it was a very early transistor design with spring reverb and a mono output of about 100w RMS into 8 ohms. The tall columns from memory contained 2 x 10" drivers located at the top and bottom of each cab and 4 x 8" drivers in between, but no crossover and all wired in series/parallel to give an impedance of about 16 ohms. It was known as the million mile PA system because it was virtually indestructible. We used ours until about the mid 80's, having replaced the spring reverb twice as well as all the XLR sockets which just wore out.
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:23:44 -0000, Mr. Slow wrote: > "Michael Dobony" <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message > news:133ijgubxv2cv$.b42hl9ycf7v7$.dlg@40tude.net... >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:51:21 -0500, Denny Strauser wrote:
>> Looks like a shorter version of some speakers I had to deal with. Only 5 >> or >> 6 out of 8 worked. in each array.
> The top pic. is a standard Shure Vocalmaster PA, isn't it? Despite the size > of the amp. it was a very early transistor design with spring reverb and a > mono output of about 100w RMS into 8 ohms. The tall columns from memory > contained 2 x 10" drivers located at the top and bottom of each cab and 4 x > 8" drivers in between, but no crossover and all wired in series/parallel to > give an impedance of about 16 ohms. It was known as the million mile PA > system because it was virtually indestructible. We used ours until about the > mid 80's, having replaced the spring reverb twice as well as all the XLR > sockets which just wore out.
I forgot about the spring reverb! I think we disconnected that. We had them hanging from the arches.
>>> Looks like a shorter version of some speakers I had to deal with. Only 5 >>> or >>> 6 out of 8 worked. in each array.
>> The top pic. is a standard Shure Vocalmaster PA, isn't it? Despite the >> size >> of the amp. it was a very early transistor design with spring reverb and >> a >> mono output of about 100w RMS into 8 ohms. The tall columns from memory >> contained 2 x 10" drivers located at the top and bottom of each cab and 4 >> x >> 8" drivers in between, but no crossover and all wired in series/parallel >> to >> give an impedance of about 16 ohms. It was known as the million mile PA >> system because it was virtually indestructible. We used ours until about >> the >> mid 80's, having replaced the spring reverb twice as well as all the XLR >> sockets which just wore out.
> I forgot about the spring reverb! I think we disconnected that. We had > them > hanging from the arches.
How could you forget the spring reverb? Damned thing used to rattle on bouncy stages and the only remedy was to switch it off or keep still. And we say "those were the days"?
>>>> Looks like a shorter version of some speakers I had to deal with. Only >>>> 5 >>>> or >>>> 6 out of 8 worked. in each array.
>>> The top pic. is a standard Shure Vocalmaster PA, isn't it? Despite the >>> size >>> of the amp. it was a very early transistor design with spring reverb and >>> a >>> mono output of about 100w RMS into 8 ohms. The tall columns from memory >>> contained 2 x 10" drivers located at the top and bottom of each cab and >>> 4 x >>> 8" drivers in between, but no crossover and all wired in series/parallel >>> to >>> give an impedance of about 16 ohms. It was known as the million mile PA >>> system because it was virtually indestructible. We used ours until about >>> the >>> mid 80's, having replaced the spring reverb twice as well as all the XLR >>> sockets which just wore out.
>> I forgot about the spring reverb! I think we disconnected that. We had >> them >> hanging from the arches.
> How could you forget the spring reverb? Damned thing used to rattle on > bouncy stages and the only remedy was to switch it off or keep still. And > we say "those were the days"?
A friend of mine was doing sound for a progressive jazz group with miked drum kit, rhodes piano and acoustic bass. The piano player was extremely loud and the bass player was feeding back. After biting my tongue for a while I went over to her and said she should hear things from where I am sitting. The volume was horribly loud and the bass was feeding back. She looked at me and said. "I have the PA system off at the moment. Everything you hear is coming from the backline amplification." The 3/4 bass player was standing right in front of a loud stack. I will never go back to hear that group. They were great players but the sound was horrible.
